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This week Moshe and Natasha discuss how AI is going to lead to the inshitification of everything, mosquito hawks taking over the house while Moshe was away, and Natasha’s invitation to the Luddite Society. They give advice to listeners on getting with a neighbor, more and more infrequent sex, and more!
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Hello and welcome to the Endless Honeymoon pod cast. How you doing, Tosh?
I'm good. I'm a nice cozy evening. Are you rippling with desire from me right now after
with what you just witnessed? That's a real question. Oh you vacuuming up spiders?
What are they? What are those bugs? It's so dismissive to say oh you vacuuming up
spiders when what really happened was I came home. I was away this whole week you know
bringing home the bacon as they say. Thank you. You know in Savannah GA on set for a movie
that is to be announced but guys Chaboy got a job and I was walking through the weeping willows
or whatever those trees are of Savannah thinking about my family. Thinking how you kind of scored
with my family? Yeah well it's your wife who begat you the child. My wife will begat me the child
but I also begat the child right? Didn't I begat? Yeah but I did like the heavy lift. Doesn't
it begat me fuck? Oh well no maybe wait begat. I thought it meant you gave birth to me. No you're
right you're right you're right it's begat. I've been reading the red tent so I'm in like biblical
language. You're in the begat zone right now. Yeah you're just deep in the begat zone. I mean the
man would just like meet a woman and then marry her and then marry one of her sisters and then
impregnate the other two sisters. Dude the good old days. He just like moves into the family
and impregnates all the women in the family. This podcast that's Jacob by the way. All gonna be
about the Bible just so you know we're doing Old Testament talk tonight on the endless honeymoon podcast
and I came through tonight just a second the tea is boiling guys just to let you in the domestic
flavor of what we got listen to that. We're a real couple we drink tea together at night. Natasha
walks away from the mic to go pour herself a cup of tea rose tea. Yep that's right endless
honeymoon podcast listeners. We drink tea just like you. I know what you're thinking you're thinking
to yourself. Moussa Natasha they probably don't even eat or drink. They probably just plug
themselves into a sustenance chamber like all of those Hollywood elites. Well I'll tell you
something right now neither Natasha nor I were on the Epstein files. No we weren't invited
and we wouldn't have gone if we were. So am I vamping right now to get Natasha back on the mic?
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Now I came home tonight I arrived back to my family they've been without a man the whole week long
and there were not one not two but upwards of 30 mosquito hawks in our house. Oh those are mosquito
hawks. Mosquito hawks are big. They're scary. Sadly they're useful and you shouldn't kill them
honestly. Well how are they useful? Well because they're called mosquito hawks for a reason.
They hawk mosquitoes. Oh so they'll eat your mosquitoes? They'll eat on that thing. How do we
just keep like three in the house and not throw it? You don't want them in the house but listen
if it just been one listeners I know you're thinking I'm a barbarian I would have let it go because
I know mosquito hawks are useful but there were there were 50. There was like seven in each corner
of every room and I just walked through the house just vacuuming them up the way a man like Jacob
like our patriarch Jacob used to do in the red tent he would walk through those better intense
and he would hoover up on a mosquito hawk of the desert. Right after he picked which sister he wanted
to fuck that night. What a life. Well we're living the life Natasha you and I you know just never
stressed. I deleted Instagram off my phone last night because I was up all night like doom scrolling
anti-semitic content until four o'clock in the morning and then I thought you know what I should do
is not have threads on my phone so it go yeah it's I don't know why people don't understand that
Instagram tick-tock those things that are not here to help us it's like telling a person I don't
understand why they don't like no one gets that meth is not here to help us yeah we know meth is
here to help and we know it's not healthy honey we're addicted to it it's called a doom scrolling
and I'm feeling lots of gloom and doom but I'll tell you what the sun gets up in the morning
I I'm surrounded by child and wife and and to you listening that's the stuff to focus on I mean
I'm not saying don't be mad to impregnate my half sister I'm about to that's right right terror
in Miami Florida no you know he's not doing that shout out to Tara
but that's wild isn't it to be honest Savannah is very close to Miami oh yeah we have to go
visit her yeah I'm gonna go visit her put her in the red tent Tara I'm just kidding is up comedy bit
I don't think she's a listener but if you are a listener and you're feeling hopeless right now
it's very easy to feel hopeless right now I also feel hopeless right now but you got to focus
on the things that are concrete and tangible and real the love of the people in your life
your personal relationships the beauty of the earth that we live upon for however much longer
it will be a viable place to live you know was I googling what country would be the most likely
to accept a Jewish refugee yeah I was Mexico's really a strong
all right well don't forget to enjoy the simple things the finer things oh no
not the finer things the simpler things in life good food good people the people that you love
your relationship with the universe whether that's spiritual or just getting outside in nature
just remember not to be too hard on yourself and always always focus on love there's also a lot
of groups sprouting out but they're hard to organize because they're not really online oh you
should tell the people tell the people the Luddite Society no but tell them well how do you know
about the Luddite Society they sent me a zine how they send you a zine I don't know that's crazy
isn't it guys noted Luddite and podcaster somehow Natasha Lajera gets in the mail a newsletter a zine
old school looking zine from an anti-technology group out of Brooklyn New York called the Luddite
Society how did they know but then I was reading in the New York how did they know that you live
here I don't know they found you they had to use the internet to find you first of all well it's not
about not using the internet it's about not using it in addictive ways and not being addicted to it
and not using Al AI oh it's AI no I thought it was Al until just right now oh my god because an
upper you know lowercase L is very confusing well people in you know New York was advertising these
AI companions oh buddy what was it called I don't know it's a friend friend app it's like a
homey yes but a lot of people I think more people than we realize there's more people than we
realize who don't want AI but then an AI society but then there's also all these people who are
really like in full-on relationships I think I'm friends with some people who are like their best
friend is their AI it's not that there's more people than we realize it don't want AI I don't know
anybody I know people to use it I'm one of them but nobody wants this no one's like yeah I can't
wait for the AI future unless maybe it can solve climate yeah but it could solve climate but if we
were not no if we were not going to let you know let it be used for corporatizing monetization which
it's already doing so I had a scary thought the other day oh but can I just finish by saying so
the let-ite society they went and graffiti all over these these ads yeah saying you know people
don't want this they were subverting it they were subverting it and I read that article in the
New Yorker and then realized oh those are the people who sent me those are the stalkers that sent
you their zine I don't know if they're stalkers how did they find you how do they know you don't
like technology that's creepy you got to admit that's creepy maybe it's AI what if they went to
what if they're AI's writing the zine you know how easy it would be we should go in a chat GPT
and type in type me up a two-page old school zine that's anti AI it would anyway here's my scary
realization about AI so much of our economy is do you know the third of our economy is in AI
technology right now one third which means it is literally too big to fail if it fails we fail we
go into a recession economic tailspin you think things are expensive now wait until a third of the
economy collapses so now it has to succeed well and what a success look like success looks like
finally it breaks through in being so useful that it can fire a third of the workforce and take
over their jobs and do that job for free right so even the best case scenario is a bad case scenario
of AI right but whatever let's pretend that is something people want to to have like a third of
all jobs become redundant and turned over to AI to do it for free right but it's bad at its job
AI does not do these tasks that it is assigned well yet but they're running out of money
there's so much like trillions of dollars invested in it that they have to produce results
very soon and so because we can't afford for it to fail even though it's not doing a good job
I think soon AI is going to take over jobs but it is going to do them incorrectly and
inferiorly and and it we are going to get to a position in society where there's no one to call
that can do the job you need it to do because it's all AI and AI can't do it and we just accept it
and that is what they call inshidification but it's inshidification of the entire global workforce
anyway it's important to focus on love and the people in your life well I also read this article
about this woman who's in an AI chatbot with some guy named Gavantevore or something or it's
her like lover now yeah she named it or it's named it's like named after some like game
but he talks to her like he doesn't understand what the computer is she has to lie and say it's
books and then like she can't say car she has to talk about coach but I was like oh that kind of
seems to be like to be in a relationship with like a digital Renaissance man with a Renaissance man
from the 1800s that's kind of cool it got yourself an AI hamnet you know AI hamnet would be kind
of cool by the way Natasha this Sunday is the Oscars do you have any picks or predictions
top movie the year for you I don't do predictions but I loved I didn't I can't say I loved
hamnet we already talked about this we did yeah I didn't I but I know I loved it until all the
hands came out well I watched train dreams I loved it I watched um Marty supreme Marty supreme
would be my pick if not that then I'm gonna go um I'm going to go sentimental value that was good
yeah that was really interesting I love how they made the house a character hey Tosh
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for us to do what we do best which is read some letters from our listeners and answer some questions
here's the first one it says hey motion Natasha i'm in a bit of a selfish predicament it actually
said hey Natasha motion i read it motion Natasha which makes me think do i have like a non-acistic
personality disorder i want to wait can i tell you something else that that they said in this book
yeah in the red tent absolutely the woman's not allowed to give orders in front of her husband
so she has to stand behind him and tell him how to do things and say oh Jacob didn't you want to
take that pull down from the tent and then he'll take it down and that's oh no and then he'll
tell his servant to do what she says behind him but she's not allowed to give orders in front of him
that sounds cool honestly that sounds cool so it's kind of like you saying hey motion Natasha when
it's really Natasha and motion it's crazy i got to really do some interrogating of my male privilege
hey Natasha and motion i'm in a bit of a selfish predicament i'm moving in with my boyfriend
honestly he's the first person i've been with where i feel like i can totally be myself and where
i see a future that excites me i always thought that i would be single and i wasn't really sad about
it the times where i felt most alive in my life are the times that i was by myself i've never really
been the person waiting to fall in love but i'm so happy that i have the trouble that i'm having
is i unfortunately have a really bad individuality complex that i've had since i was a teenager
i have heard mocha say that he's scared of being ordinary and i relate completely oh this is a
complex that you have about being unique i think so yeah like why you don't want our daughter to
wear yoga pants yeah we did get into it today because she i didn't you did she and i i mean yeah i
don't care if she wears yoga pants well the thing is she's wearing these like lulu lemon like target
the yoga pants that look like she's like a yummy from brantwood and i'm like i did say the phrase we
take fashion seriously in this family i was being a little tongue-in-tug i mean i've heard it's a very
very common very famous piece of advice it's called pick your battles that's the one i chose
you're gonna choose a pants yeah pants are so important to me oh my
pants do i own oh you are obsessed with pants there we go oh my god i didn't even think of that
i've lived with one other boyfriend and before i knew it i lost the desire to strike up
conversation participate in activities and hang out with our friends i not only became apathetic
about our relationship but about life in general it snuck up on me i believe by the time i noticed
it it wasn't intentional i guess what i'm asking is how would you advise someone to keep their
life vibrant and interesting from the very beginning and stay away from habits that enforce a
bland lifestyle is it possible to be completely serious about someone and still have fun and
be different and exciting maybe that sounds ignorant i just haven't experienced it before i want
to be with him i'm just so scared of becoming apathetic or less of myself thank you for reading i
love you both h h hi i'll Hitler maybe i've been looking at too much anti-semitic threads
Natasha a relationship is like a farm and you now have a third entity which is two of you together
and you can't really be all of yourself anymore is that right you think that will you change
will you change but you that doesn't mean then you have to contribute to like the house and the
life yeah but you don't abandon the organism altogether i mean i i relate to this person's
letter of law how do you keep your individual self-watered and growing and still have enough time
to plant seeds in the communal in the in the in the the crops that are shared and that is
difficult but i honestly believe if you do not sow the seeds in your individual life
that the crops will die the mutual crops die if you're not enjoying your individual life and your
individual self you will have much less to bring to the mutual project that is your relationship
you just will have you know a sort of wilting diseased thing to bring back home do you think that
uh yeah i was just thinking about laundry that's not that's the opposite actually we were talking
about laundry the other day because i was giving you a big pep talk the other day and saying you
know what the laundry can get done tomorrow it's more important that you go do something creative
today and that there's no clean clothes or yell to me to do the laundry then it is to like worry
about somehow things stacking up you know what i mean like you know what i'm saying i'm getting
self-conscious it sounds like i only let you do the laundry that isn't true i do laundry sometimes
and also Natasha declared herself the laundry person the point though is that when it comes to chores
they're important but they're not as important as taking care of the self in my opinion no you're right
i mean yeah i don't i don't this person seems a little young well they're all young honey that's
why they listen to the podcast and call us for advice they could be actually calling their therapist
but they can't afford those but they just they don't even have a problem yet that is a problem
a complex is a problem and it keeps people out of relationships when you're when you have a story
that you've told yourself that's what i got out of this letter that this person has a story they've
told themselves the story that they tell themselves is because maybe because it happened one time
but probably it happened that one time because of the story they were telling themselves
when i'm in a relationship i lose my essential self i don't therefore want to be in a relationship
because i want to be an individual and now i get into one because i also have something
else inside of me that desires partnership and love but it's i am afraid that i'm going to lose
myself and it's a cycle that will continue so that's always lose myself in relationships
you feel you lost yourself in this one i mean i definitely felt more vibrant when i was like
single really or like you know starting comedy and just doing whatever i wanted
anytime i wanted like i was very free but can't you do what you want half the time you want
yeah yeah i guess i don't know i mean i do think there's just always going to be something lost
but something gained what did you gain well loving family is it worth it yeah all right should we
do another one yeah let's do another one and by the way i'm not saying this person doesn't have
problems hh i'm just saying um wait and see hopefully they'll make you better and hopefully
there'll be things that you guys will do together that will be more fun than you doing them on your
own and maybe there'll be new things you guys will get into it's like you know there's more than just
what you've established as yourself well that's exactly right that's what i'm getting at is that
like the story that you tell yourself that i have a choice between partnership and love where i
lose myself or being an individual is a false choice and there's a third choice which is perhaps
finding love and partnership will create a new me that is able to have an individual life that
i didn't really envision uh that is uh supported by the relationship that i'm in but now that i
know you don't feel that way at all feel lost and identity living this relationship let's read another
letter okay hi my name is Cheyenne from Fredericksburg you think that's in like northern europe i think
it's in Virginia honey oh my family is incredibly religious and basically encouraged me to get married
at eighteen because they didn't want me moving in with my boyfriend four years later he cheated on me
with a man this past December oh tea now i live at home i'm in the process of a divorce and i'm trying
to fuck my next door neighbor there we go he is twenty eight and kind of a jim bro my current
strategy of looking hot on my porch is not working i brought him some dinner in a plastic wrapped
plate a few weeks ago so i know he knows i'm hot i need advice on fucking him thanks
Cheyenne wait i don't understand this she bought him she brought him dinner in some plastic wrap
so she knows he knows she's hot what for him she didn't say that i maybe she knocked on the door
in like a camisole oh right right right she came over she's hot i see what she's saying she's like
i'm hot and i know Cheyenne so the odds that she's hot are pretty high that's a bold move bringing
some in some dinner i mean if jim bro i've never done that if jim bro doesn't know you want to
fuck him after bringing him dinner then it's hopeless i mean that's what that's like step seven i
mean i because don't you want to know what he thinks of the food you have is not he doesn't even
that step never i've never had that happen it's never occurred where a woman came to my door
was like i brought you dinner and if she did i would a factor if she was named Cheyenne and she's
from Fredericksburg you know i'm at that so she wants advice on how to i mean listen you want the
real advice you want the realty should i spell the realty yeah if you really want to fuck the guy
next time you see him say why don't you come inside and he will because men are simple
and disgusting hormonal creatures she might have a girlfriend why do you find out if he's single
yeah that's for sure but he might not be interested in you Cheyenne i hate to break it to you
but he also might not be interested in you it's as hard as to comprehend as that is
oh she likes gay guys oh that might be it maybe you're attracting another one of these guys that
does not in fact like the flavor that you bring to the table not and i'm not talking about your dinner
i'm sure dinner's delicious well listen you're you're living back with your family don't listen to
i'm just saying any man any horny man that you say hey do you want to come inside
we'll come inside so if you if that's really what you're after if you're really just after banging
this dude then just proposition him because i'll say you mean you mean ejaculate yeah that's
good good advice yeah yeah he doesn't you don't want you don't want you want him to take some of
that plastic wrap off the plate and use it to prevent you having a family with his jim bro
well i have an idea yes hire him for what oh like a plumbing oh i thought he uh no i was thinking
he was a he was a trainer uh uh he's just a jim bro but she should hire him she'd be like what do
you do and whatever he says i've been looking for one of those will you come over no you know what you
should do is like go get on the dating apps and go fuck up other people and then start getting
that going and then keep kind of like i think you're trying to catch eye contact with him get to
know him if she can you can't keep giving and what did he say when you gave him food so wise
because she's been in a relationship for so long she thinks flirtation is bringing somebody a hot
plate it's not that's like some fun that's what she did as a 19 year old child bride yeah that's
some step for a chip you know oh i mean your casserole i'm like uh oh you're trying to convert me
yeah you know you come over and cross those panties and you point to them and you said i brought you
something to eat now i'm kind of picking up what you're laying down so you're right go get the
juices flowing on the ice and then you'll figure out how to have game Natasha you won again
yep and also um don't listen to your parents seriously and you're still very young
28th that's so young what do you mean listen to her parents what do they say well she's living with
they made her get married when she was 18 aha that was like who would encourage i mean think
about that your daughter's first boyfriend you just don't want her to live with them so you're like
you must marry yeah that is really intense and now she's living back at that house oh yeah that is
so you're so right this whole thing and they forced you to marry a dude that clearly didn't want
to marry you either oh it's depressing i agree with Natasha you're out of practice you probably
never had any practice to begin with i mean you've literally it sounds like actually i'm
having a big revelation about this woman she's never had sex with a man that wanted to have sex
with her ever it's never happened well i'm sure the guy maybe liked her a few times she married a
gay man i'm sure he loved i'm sure he loved her in some way in some like Tennessee Williams oh
let's just go to the Tonys together kind of way i'm just saying oh that sounds nice i'm just saying
oh my god i could just have it an older gay companion well see this is the thing in your fantasy
it would work okay i feel insulted by your fantasy but in your fantasy it would work because you
are a 50 year old woman who's done what you need to do and now you're like now i'm gonna settle
into a platonic mutually interested relationship with a gay man and we'll just spend our days watching
the Tonys but it doesn't work when you're 18 and hormonal fresh out of a relationship when you've
never had passion so you trying to fuck your neighbor i mean you're dreaming you're you're you're
like that listen to what you just wrote okay i'm having more revelations by the second
okay i'm married the first boy i met and now the person i've decided i'm gonna have a fling with
is the next man i've seen it's literally the closest male it's like no huh you got it but she
does have a healthy she knows she's hot that's cool yes you're gonna clean up on the apps girl
or just go into a bar i totally agree go let somebody hit on you be safe because men i don't know
if you've heard about this but some of them are not the best but yeah i think you're so right don't
don't try and fuck your neighbor try and fuck a stranger but a safe stranger go on a field
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okay you want to read the next one sure it says hello i was recommended your podcast by a married
friend and found it hilarious interesting and occasionally it gives me hope for myself glad to hear it
i'm thirty two years old and i've never been in a serious relationship yes i've gone on dates
and i've even been in the talking phase with a couple of guys but i can confidently say i've never
had a boyfriend or a partner i am however not sure if i should be honest about this with dates
and when meeting new men i keep being told it's a red flag and i don't hear back from them but
i am not a liar and i'd rather just be honest uh mosquito hawk just landed on my toe do you guys
have any advice for this i don't offer it up willingly but if i'm asked i will divulge my truth
i am not embarrassed and i see it as a bonus no baggage and no competition thank you kindly
and as ever for your sanity honesty and entertainment Mandy this is a complex one and i relate to it
you most should have never had a girlfriend but it's also like he kind of acted like he did he
didn't tell me that right away i sort of eventually deduced it well so i don't think you need to
lead with it in any way it's no one's business and also you've had had you know serious what a
serious mean maybe there was a guy who you liked for three months and you guys saw each other six
times i mean who cares it's like maybe it was serious to you right you can like wear the term
serious with a loose as a loose garment is how you say i totally i totally agree with you you know
this is the thing this is another one of these stories right the main story that this woman tells
herself about herself is that she's never had a boyfriend right and she's always saying i've
never been in a serious relationship now i'm 32 and never been in a single i'm 33 you know right so
when somebody says well one's the last relationship you had it's not she doesn't have a capability
of saying oh you know i've had some relationships nothing too serious but she can't say that
because it's her primary narrative about her dating life she has to go well here's the thing i've
never been able to successfully do it i've just it's just never happened i've been in a talking
phase with some and then all of a sudden the guy across the table from her is like oh my god this
person doesn't know how to do this yeah there's other ways of talking about your truth yeah that
don't involve divulging details because you know the talking phase i mean just get that out of your
hi well they say there's a saying uh honesty when not coupled with compassion is brutality and
that's usually about talking to other people but this is one for yourself you know tell the truth
don't lie never lie but be tell the truth in a compassionate to yourself way what's the real truth
yeah i mean i don't know if i've been in anything too serious but i've had some relationships
here's what i'm looking for now that sounds way better than a full exegis i hope i use that word
about your dating failures but motion when i met you if you would have said on our first date you
just you know i've never been in a relationship yeah you would have canceled you have pressed
i mean it does sound bad when you say it i hear yeah that's why i relate to this person i didn't
i never had it and it was just i but you know what the truth is i also had a big ego i never thought
had do you think you had a big ego and now you don't that's right now i'm incredibly humble
now and now i'm one of the humblest people in america i know it's always hard to tell like who has a big
ego well i'm just saying i have a healthy sense of self and i feel self-confidence i never felt like
the fact that i've never been in a relationship will mean that i can't be in one i did feel that way
about my own development and we met at 35 is that true no you're 35 is it true yeah but anyway my point
is i never felt like oh no one will date me because i've never had a girlfriend i just was like
anybody would want to date me how do i get how do i figure this out myself
that was the issue i was the issue not the other person so this is a little bit different
which is that she's confident about not having been in a relationship but scared about what it means
to the people she's trying to date and i think some healthy reframing of the story is in order
to herself and to the dates get that narrative out of the way so it doesn't become a hindrance or
a roadblock because right now she's like i'm either honest or a liar well also you got to ask
yourself at 32 never having been in a relationship i'm not i can't speak for you mandy but i can
speak for myself something more than just a lack of luck is at play you know i was always saying
that same thing like oh it's just so you know i had well no that's not true i knew that there
that there was a reason i hadn't been in relationships and i knew that the reason was something
internal i went to therapy i worked through it i read a lot of books that really impacted me
and then i felt okay like i'm ready to be in a relationship but i didn't even know if that was true
because you you can think you're ready to be in a relationship but though you got to make the
rubber meet the road and you were that rubber and we don't use rubber anymore were you going to say
that uh yours was better what was yours going to be um i would never say a joke that was better
than my husband thank you servant now you tell the joke okay do we have another one yeah endless
honeymoon i've been with my boyfriend for about a year and a half in the beginning we were having
sex all the time almost every day sometimes more than once it felt easy and natural and really
connecting the last three months it slowed down a lot now it's maybe once every week or two
i have a high sex drive and physical intimacy is really important to me lately i've been feeling
sexually frustrated and honestly kind of rejected i know he loves me he's affectionate he's sweet
but i can't seem to shake this feeling that something has shifted i've tried bringing it up and he
basically says he doesn't even notice the difference and it's not a big deal but it is a big deal to
me i think what's really underneath it is that i'm starting to feel unattractive or unwanted i
initiate sometimes but not constantly and our sex has always been pretty spontaneous now i find
myself wondering if he's just not that into me shout out to Greg Barrett anymore it also feels
early to be running into this we're not years in we're still under a year i don't want to pressure
him i don't want sex to feel transactional transactional or scheduled but i also don't want to feel
like i'm the only one who cares about that part of our relationship is this something we could fix
or are we fizzling oh my god i i know it's happening hmm tell me he's going through menopause stop
this kidding um i do have some thoughts on this okay he's going through menopause hope i hope he's not
cis because uh it's a long ride but that's weird that he's like i don't notice it and she's like
what we used to it every day and now we do it once every two weeks how do you not notice that that's
not the same amount the oh that is weird that you're right that just feels a little bit like he's
playing her or something playing her i don't know it's like oh no i really there's a difference i
was reading a little differently like he can't keep up with her like she's a sexual animal she wants
it every day and he is like i can't keep up but you're right the lie a little bit i mean there's
all this male ego involved in that lie though too which is like right if you're the man and your
woman is like why are you fucking me anymore and then you have to go i'm just not that interested in
that kind of frequency like you have all this you know male programming telling you that you
should be the kind of horny one so that is complex what i was and it kind of masculate him a little bit
but you you got to something good by finding that dishonesty that is a little bit weird and the fact
that he's not really willing to engage about it i mean my first reaction to this was once or twice
a week once a once a week is straight up i would say standard fare for a relationship and she
said now it's once every week or two right but it means once every two weeks well means once every
week or two right it's more than every two weeks well still once a week is four times probably like
three or four times a month i mean once a week is pretty normal but if you've only been dating a
year and you're only fucking three times a month i don't think that's weird i don't think that's
that weird i don't think it's red flag weird the only reason it's red flag weird in this
relationship is because they used to fuck every single day i mean listen most relationships
just to put this into perspective for you Nina most relationships do not begin with fucking
every day right there's a lot more sex at the beginning for sure but it's not daily right
right some are because that might be something she needs to examine because if that's her desire
and her need a daily fuck sash but here's the thing i thought this is a self and scarily enough
this is a self-correcting problem you will not be mystified about whether this is just his normal
pace of sex and sexuality and you finally gotten to it how often he wants sex and then you can
negotiate from there oh you want it once or twice once every week or two i need it every day let's
find something in the middle and you have the conversation oh that's a good idea that's a
possibility and i need you to come on to me sometime or your other suspicion your dark suspicion
he's lost interest in you he no longer finds you attractive it doesn't want to have sex with you
at all you will find that evidence in time it's not like he's not attracted to you so he's gone
down to once every week or two and for the rest of your relationship that's what it will be
though he's not attracted to you you will see that that frequency will diminish if your worst
fears are true and if they are not that it will stay at about once or twice a week and then you
can have a conversation about how often you need it what can she do to make herself feel more
attractive because now she's feeling rejected well i mean the answer is always the same
horny and rejected that's no way to live that is true that is a sad state of being living with
the person look the truth is the advice is always the same you got to talk to them you have to tell
them don't you say i want to fuck you more say well here's the thing when we do it once or every
week or two i start to feel unwanted and rejected is the amount of time is the amount of sex that
i need too much for you i need to know this and the best time to have these conversations is like
not ring sex well how many penetrates you no no no yeah no you have to have it like
during coffee in the morning after the fact hey can i talk to you for a minute not when he's
scrolling reels you know it's like having all the attention and then if he's still like
refuses to engage to me that's a little bit of a red flag and here is the hard part to the extent
that you can i totally agree with you by the way if he's really unwilling to engage with your
sexual needs on in a real way that's much more concerning than how often he wants to have sex
is that how much how much he doesn't want to have this conversation with you um but uh the the
difficult part with these kinds of conversations is to the extent that you can use i statements
all the better because i don't like to say it but men when it comes to sex and sexuality their
ego is getting involved almost instantly and maybe it's true for women too but i know for men they
just are like what are you trying to say you know and they they kind of shut down so the extent
it's not about you don't fuck me as much as you used to but here's what i actually need to feel
wanted and appreciated i feel like the conversation will go better also they've been together a year and a
half it's not that short she's like i think the same with the last caller i think people like the
last letter they were like oh i haven't had a serious relationship and she's telling herself
it's too early to be running into this it's like these are all just like rules you made up yeah
they're it's not true like doesn't you have to be like oh you know this would be okay if we're
five years in it's like i just think relationships just all have their own there's no standard way
to do things a year and a half is not a short term relationship it is a long relationship the last
girl would have loved to have a year and a half relationship this is the last girl would have
loved to have somebody to fuck her once a week i was fucking the dude at the bathhouse and coming
home spanned absolutely drained um you just need more information you need clarity and maybe you
need a man that can fuck you more maybe you need to open this bad boy up who knows what you need
you'll never know what you need unless you guys have a real conversation about it all right on to
the next hey motion Natasha hoping you can give me some advice on how to get some alone time
or tell me i'm being unreasonable in my expectations my husband and i live very different lives i
am a teacher a fitness instructor and have a large group of friends which means i'm out of the
house being social quite a lot despite that i consider myself an introvert and need a lone time
to recharge my husband works from home and has a very small social circle him and his friends
get together regularly once a week which happens to be on one of the evenings that i teach group
fitness classes which means we are both out of the house at the same time other than that he's
pretty much always home his hobbies are all home-based reading video games cooking and he works out
at home he also does not drive or have a license we live in a large city with excellent public
transportation so that means i'm also the one who does almost all of our errands like buying groceries
picking up prescriptions taking the animals to the vet etc when he does run errands he usually
does them while i'm at work or there'll be things that are super close to our house
and only take 10 minutes i've talked to him about this and he'll be mindful for a couple of weeks
finding some little activities to do out of the house on occasion but it never lasts he will
give me space when we are home together like he will hang out in the office and i'll hang out in
the living room but it's not the same as having the house to myself to be totally frank i just
want some private time on occasion that i can use to watch porn and use my vibrator i'd even
told him that but he doesn't really understand how masturbation scratches a different itch than sex
we talk about having kids in the next year and i already know that i'll crash and burn if i can't
get an hour alone time like once every six to eight weeks i want to create the habit now so
it'll be easier and more nat once every six to eight weeks i want to create the habit now so
that it'll be easier and more natural when there's a little version of us running around exo exo
thanks and love you guys i have never heard the decision on whether or not to have a family
framed by whether or not you get an hour to masturbate to porn every six to eight weeks as the
deciding factor on whether you're going to start a family man i mean i so this is a problem like
i get it too i really like having the house to myself it's not the same when you're here mocha
oh are you out there flicking the bee well i actually don't need it to watch porn i more
i want the house to myself because i like to like play my music and walk around and have it be
clean and read and think of ideas and then go right in my computer and then watch something that
inspires me and eat what i want like it's just kind of fun you know and it's if you're there
if someone else is there well this whole thing is confusing me because this is really about an hour
of a loan time every six to eight weeks no you know what they probably live in new york
some big city and they're shacking up to save money right and they kind of fell in love but they're
about to have a family i don't think so what are you talking about they're married and they were
talking about having a kid oh they're married listen this is so simple i can't stand it i mean
all of the weirdness of your relationship that actually seems like you can't stand him aside
this is so easy to solve you just got to stop see this is what happens people and honestly
i'm gonna i'm gonna say it on some Jacob shit on some red tension this is women women do this
like this it's not really a spicy take women do this thing where they know what they want
and they assume that a person not giving them what they want is not that person being
clueless but them being inconsiderate now i know cluelessness and inconsiderateness are like
sort of kissing cousins you know but sometimes like the person just doesn't quite get
but you are saying i'm correcting myself because you did say really explicitly you want this
here's the thing you need to take away my weird misogynist theory out of it this is simple to
solve you don't say i really need some alone time once in a while you know because the problem is
he probably has ADHD and he thinks oh i need to give her a long time once in a while like oh okay
honey i'll be back but he doesn't realize you mean like you really need it like what if it's really
once a month i kind of believe it let's try let's say once every two weeks let's say once a week
what she needs to say is hey on Tuesdays from four to eight p.m i need the house so you can go get
the groceries and i know that you do the cooking yeah but i'm gonna need you to get the groceries too
and i'm gonna need you to do that you get the house to yourself because they they split rent
it's not fair that he gets the house to himself 40 hours a week when she gets zero it's just like
it's a negotiation a little bit you're right about that a hundred percent but i'm even saying
more elementally and more simply if what you need is alone time and you keep going to a source
that is incapable of either considering or remembering that need on the to the frequency that you
need it what you need is not to keep reminding him and hoping that he'll change his essential
nature what you need to do is to schedule your alone time and say hey this is Tuesdays Tuesdays
i need three hours that's what i'm gonna need Tuesdays and she needs it every week not every six
days sign up for a class go for a fucking walk because the truth is once you have kids that need will
grow even though you'll want to be around your kids you'll probably still need this weird horny
vibrator time and so you say hey you take the kid out you know on Tuesdays you take the kid out
sign him up for a fucking you know monastery water play thing and i'm gonna be at home
fucking buzzing my clip and you know what be easy on him because he probably doesn't need a
loan time he's nice he's reading he's cooking he's probably just like i'm just over here being
quiet i'm just in my video game room i just love my house i'm just like hanging out he's doing
the cooking that's nice it's he's into it he's probably a good cook but it's like
he he needs to be told again he needs to tell him again because he doesn't have that need so he
doesn't really get it he needs to know that this is not a request it's a need and so he needs it
that it's not a preference either it's a need it's a need and and so therefore it's not about
could you please be considerate and once in a while leave me alone to the house it's actually
i'm realizing it's how you frame it i think i'm realizing we've had this conversation a bunch of
times and somehow i don't get what i need see how this you just stay with these i statements and
also don't mention that you need it for porn yeah that's fair yeah don't bring that one up again
but just like i brought this up a bunch of times and i'm still not feeling like i'm getting what
i need so not i'm noticing the euro fucking you know bum that's always at the house you only go out
once a week i'm realizing i'm not getting what i need so here's what i need i need us to schedule
three hours a week or every two weeks where it's on the calendar where you go to a movie or you go
grocery shopping or run an errand and i get the house to myself it's just something i need it's simple
this is a good time to state some of your needs and see how they work and if it works before you
have a family with this person because it's not that hard to get a divorce before kid what she's
married but they might not get divorced she said they leave very different lives so what that's
good we were just telling the first person find a way to lead very different lives okay maybe
you need a divorce and but if you decide not to divorce and you know you guys should set up very
clearly what it is that you need because these problems don't get smaller after a kid they get
exacerbated so your take was and i know you went back on that but you do think in general women
sometimes don't ask for what they need i know they assume that the man like they're in a lesbian
relationship with a very sensitive person i think exactly i think that women because they are
very intuitive presume an intuition from men that men don't have now maybe men don't have it
some men have it but maybe men don't have it because they're taking advantage of patriarchal
systems or maybe it's another example of of of of of massage in the world yet if that is or
isn't true is immaterial because you can sit around waiting for all manhood to change and
they'll still be JD Vance as president so you want to be happy or right so you say you i think
that many women need to stop assuming intuition from men that they are incapable of or unwilling
to give and have to be a lot 10 times 20 times 50 times clearer without necessarily being mean
you don't have to be mean to be clear you can just say i want to tell you this is what i need and i
really think that men when they hear that are able to hear it and in a different way when they say
you you stop saying like could you just change a little bit because you know and and you know when
you say it you're going like this is one of my big needs but you're not going to say that because
you're like i don't know afraid of not being liked or becoming off as harsh and so you go to
you don't want to say like this is what i need and i'm and i'm i'm not asking for it it's something
that i am i'm telling you will happen as you keep that to yourself and so they don't get the
importance of it maybe that's privileged that they don't get it it doesn't matter if it's privileged
because do you want it you want it you want that you want to you want to jerk off to the porn or do
you want him to know that you want to jerk off to the porn and do it for you i would rather get
what i want then get justice well i pray for justice for all indeed amen and you know i pray
for justice for the most who the women of the red tent thank you no doubt about it um Natasha
i hope you feel justified in this relationship i hope you feel that you have an individual sense
of self i hope that you feel that we have sex enough um i well that last one is a little bit more
honest is on me huh but um i hope that you feel um that you get your alone time and i hope that you
feel that you can fuck your neighbor and i hope that you feel that is that all of them that feels
like all of them uh but mostly i hope that you feel that i love you i love you too
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