"Love Story: John F. Kennedy JR & Carolyn Bessette" Reaction

What's up guys. Welcome back to the pod. Happy Friday. I hope everyone is having a great

day. I'm having a great day. I'm currently recording this on Wednesday and we had a radio

this morning and it was just guys. I just, you know, when you find joy in the everyday

life is better. Someone asked me the other day about like gratitude and I just have so

much gratitude for just a good regular day. You know, today I woke up, I made a coffee,

I got to get back in bed with a coffee which is my favorite thing to do on planet earth

and like go through my phone, read my emails, do everything. Then I got to work out again

and I was, I'm not trying to be toxic positivity. Oh no, no, it gets better. Then I went to my

favorite coffee shop. I sat, had another sit, another coffee, heaven, went to work out.

Then I went to the show and I, you know, the radio show is my baby. Like it's my genuine

passion. Like I fall asleep thinking about it and I had wanted to, I had all these ideas

that I wanted to tell the team and all the team was really energized by them and we were

going to try new things and it just made me feel so good. Then we did one of the best

hours of radio I've ever done and I know I say that a lot but I genuinely think it's

because the show is getting better and better. I can't believe it's been four years of

the show. I'm so proud of it and it's just, it genuinely, it hits like absolute fucking

drugs when I feel like I'm good at my job. I've said this before but I don't know if this

is because of my personality or if this is a universal feeling but for me, when I feel

like I'm in flow with my job, when I have a hunch and I act on it and it works, I actually

cannot ever get as high as that. Like that is the best feeling for me. It's the same

as like taking mushrooms at Coachella and like dancing through a field. Like that's how

I feel because it's just genuinely so euphoric. So I did that. Then I went to get foot

rubs with my friend Lindsay. Our thing together, we love to go get an hour of foot rubs and

we just sit and we gossip and we have a foot rub unreal. It was so good to catch up with

her. Then I was like, you know what, I'm going to take a long walk home instead of taking

this up way, stopped by a shop, got myself something, did a bunch of amazing Zoom calls

that were about other areas of work that I feel so blessed to work on. And later I'm

going to go have dinner with my friend and also get a drink with my manager. And that's

just, that's just a great day. I just feel really grateful. I'm not trying to boast and

I'm not trying to be toxic positivity. But man, it was a good day and I think I felt

really, really good and happy because I felt like I was doing a good job at work. And

I, you know, we were joking on the radio show today, like how myself a steam is like

honestly too rock solid. And I was thinking on my walk home, what made my self a steam so

rock solid? Is it my new boobs? No, it was really good before them, which is why I decided

to get my new boobs because I didn't think it could get any better. And I think that

the number one way that I raise myself a steam is by doing things that I was good at and

finding out what I was good at and then doing that for a job and maximizing that skill.

We can talk about that another time because today we are going to talk about love story.

Now I actually read the book that they decided to base this series on. It's called Once

Upon a Time, The Captivating Life of Carolyn Bissette Kennedy by Elizabeth Beller. And I

really liked that book. I read it last year I think and I would highly recommend it if

you're all hopped up on love story because it's really good. And I feel like she's, I

mean, I feel like actually the show is really portraying her pretty accurately from what

I can tell from the book. It's so hard to tell because there's almost no footage of Carolyn.

So it's just a crazy story. It really is. And I want to use the show as a jumping off point

to talk about several things. So the first one is the fashion. Now I made a little video

about this, but I just want to reiterate it here. So I never want to yuck anyone's yoms,

especially not women because I do feel like a lot of the time when we talk about, oh,

these girls are silly for wearing this or they're silly for participating in this trend.

Like I do find it kind of like dismissive and misogynistic. So I'm going to toe the line

and I'm going to be very nuanced here. Again, trends can be fun, right? Trends can be fun.

I understand that I love fashion myself. I think there's just something that's a bit

missing the mark with the Carolyn beset trend because first of all, it was the 90s. A lot of

people wore, you know, boxy, simple clothing that she worked at Calvin Klein. That was kind of like

the Calvin Klein style. If you go back and look at pictures of like Winona Ryder or Gwyneth Paltrow,

like they were also wearing very similar like looks at the time. So there wasn't anything like

that specific to Carolyn. I think what made her an it girl or an it girl, you know, back then

and then again, now is like, it was so authentic to her personality. When she wears those clothes,

like you feel like, oh my god, a white blouse is synonymous with Carolyn beset or oh my god,

little sunglasses are synonymous with Carolyn, whatever, because it was so authentic to her.

So I think when people are like, I'm in my Carolyn beset era and they're someone who

would never normally wear like a straight leg boxy Levi's gene or whatever it may be, Calvin gene,

it just doesn't feel very authentic, right? And then the other problem that I think is feels weird

is like brands are definitely using it to sell shit to us. And I always want to acknowledge,

I understand that I am an influencer who sells shit to you guys. So I totally understand that

hypocrisy when I talk about this, but like I just think there's something weird about being like,

oh, for your Carolyn beset era, like now buy all this shit, buy a headband, buy, you know,

a white blouse, buy like a black sleeveless tea, whatever it may be, you know, you've just kind of

stopped and think and be like, does this even suit me like is this my own personal style? I think

the way that I want us all to interpret this trend is we all need to actually shun what everybody

else is doing and get deep into our head about what is my personal style? What is my, what's

authentic to me? And I think about that a lot, like I have a very, it's not very defined because of

my fashion kind of runs the gamut, but there are certain things where people are like, oh my god,

that would be so tinks or like, oh my, you know, my stylist Jordan, he's always like, I saw this

and I knew it was for you. And it's, you know, again, it's not as specific as Carolyn beset style,

but there are, I like that people and even you guys will send me dresses or you'll tag me and

you'll be like, oh my god, tinks, this is so you. I love that about myself. So if you are

even more up myself, this is the year that I become to up myself guys, just mark my words now.

But anyway, if you, if you are like, oh, I'm so inspired by Carolyn beset, then that's a good

way to do it is to be like, what is the most me thing? Like, if my friends were let loose in a

shopping mall, would they find shit and be like, oh my god, that's so your name, insert your name.

And the other thing I'll say about Carolyn is like, she clearly like didn't give a shit,

and that is the most attractive it girl quality of all. Like, she was clearly so like did not give a

shit, didn't pander to people, and that is fucking cool. That, that is better than any clothes you

can buy. That is absolutely so fucking cool. Okay, the next thing that I want to talk about is

the courtship. And I posted this on Instagram and everybody was like chiming in. I was like, if this,

if someone acted the way that Carolyn did in the first couple episodes where she's like telling

JFK Jr. like, oh, you know where I work, like not giving her his number. Imagine if someone did

that now, if I said to a guy like, oh, you can find my Instagram, he would be like, okay, okay,

no, I'm not like you snooty bitch. No, I'm not, I forget it. I'll go go on to the next girl.

That kind of intrigue and courtship, I think is honestly erased from the universe because of

social media. And also like the times have just changed, right? Like the way that the brain works

nowadays with all of the technology, all the dating app rot, all of the internet brain rot,

that just would not be something that happened in today's in the year of our Lord 2026.

I mean, can you imagine like the intensity of the buildup to their first day and like

her getting flowers and him coming into Calvin Klein. I mean, this is the stuff that we dream about.

It's like the yearning. I think that was a word that came through a lot when you guys were

DMing me saying that men used to yearn and men used to pine and men used to court.

And now, you know, and now they just like go on weird websites and like have AI girlfriends.

And look, I don't, you know, if a guy was now sending a girl multiple bouquets of flowers to her

work or showing up at her work, we would probably think that's a little weird. You know, we can't be too,

we can't be too like out of it. Like we have to admit that if a guy showed up at your work,

you might be a little bit like, whoa, whoa, that's a lot. I think we're just, we're less intense now

in good ways and in bad ways. And I think that it's interesting that collectively everybody

watching the show is yearning for yearning. We're yearning for yearning, right? We're like, wow,

that seems so lovely to have like one person you have a crush on. And you know, it takes a

while to get her number. And then you are, you know, you're still dating someone else and

it's complicated, but you kind of like follow through and all this stuff. It's like, it's, it just

seems more, I don't know, it's a lot slower paced. That's the other thing. Like I too watch the show

and I think, wow, I, I long for a time like that. But you don't understand guys, our brains are

completely scrambled. If something was that drawn out, like none of us have the attention span for

it anymore. We'd be like, oh, he didn't call me tomorrow. I fuck it. Like that's canceled, whatever,

whatever. So I thought that was really interesting. I heard this thing. I wrote down just in my notes

to tell you guys, I heard this thing that was like, we used to have feminine women and hardworking

men. And now we have hardworking women and feminine men. And that made me laugh. So, so funny. Also,

I had no idea that Darryl Hannah was so annoying. Like they, the way that they portrayed her in

the show is like she's so irritating. But I also don't know if that's just because

of her voice. I'm just going to be completely honest. Or if as a viewer and as a watcher of

the love story, I'm kind of like, oh, I want to remove this block so that they can get together.

Because if I put myself in Darryl Hannah's shoes in the show or in the story, it's like, okay,

you're dating this guy and you're a celebrity. And you are like down to do whatever with him.

And he's like kind of rude to your friends. And he's not really meeting you where you are. And

you're just trying to hold on to it. Then I, you know, have sympathy for her. But

and the show she just is like so like whiny. And I'm just like, oh my god, please leave. So

JFK Jr. and Carolyn can get together. But yeah, I just, her voice is like a little bit tough for

me, which I know is like a misogynistic thing to say to ever comment on a woman's voice. But I

think it's more the tone and the intonation than her actual voice, if you get what I'm saying.

Okay. Another thing I wanted to talk about is like his family and like what it means to date a guy

with a wealthy family or like a family that has pedigree. And obviously they were like,

they still are one of the most important families in America. And at the time, they were like the

biggest celebrities on planet earth. But it just, it just goes to show you that like when a guy

has a wealthy, important family, it is always more complicated. And I was like making me think of

like the Beckums and it made me think of like Prince Harry and stuff like that. Like whenever a

guy is attached to a super, super like important wealthy family, there's always more that comes with

it, you know, good and bad. And it just really struck me how much pressure he had on him from his

family to go a certain way and to act a certain way and kind of live on the legacy. He obviously

like looked so much like his dad and everyone was thinking like he's the heir apparent. And

but at the same time, you're kind of like, oh my god, can you just let him live to his family?

At some points, I was like, Jackie girl, let him live. Like, oh my god, like let him do his thing.

But then on the other hand, I was kind of like, I made this comment as well. On Instagram, I was

saying whenever a NEPO baby is like, I want to do my own thing. Like, I want to focus on my

art. And he was like, I want to make this magazine. But I don't want it to be about me. And it's like

no offense love. But do you really think that anybody who would want to buy the magazine if it

wasn't like JFK juniors magazine? Like, no, it's fine to use your leg up. But don't be like

delulu about it. Don't be thinking that you are, you know, the smartest person in the world.

When really, you know, you're probably pretty smart. But you're also just, you know, a NEPO baby.

It's just fine, which is fine. So that was interesting. Okay. So let's talk about the weekend when

she goes to Hyena. I think that's how you say at Hyena sport. That made me want to crawl out of

my skin. And if a guy had like left me put me in those situations, I just, oh my god. First of all,

let me back up and say, I'm sorry. I hate like snootiness. And I hate like, like that, the kind of like

very preppy vibe when they were all at the dinner and they were asking quizzing her questions.

Now listen, community, it's good to know what's going on in the world. And it's good to have

opinions. And that's like, you know, I'm going to speak out of both sides of my mouth here. Because on

the one hand, I was like, oh my god, like, why are you grilling this poor girl at dinner? It's so

rude to put people on the spot. And that doesn't sound fun at all to play a game of like, what,

well, let's talk about politics. Like all of a sudden, on the other hand, I was kind of like,

oh, girl, I wish you knew something to say. And that is quite frankly exactly the type of reason

why I say to you guys read articles and know what's going on. Always be able to rattle off what

you're reading. The last play you saw, you know, what music you're listening to, what just

always have those things of the tip of your tongue. In case you do get in one of those snooty situations,

you can impress people. I know I sound like a mom, but that's what my mom always wanted for me was

she never wanted me to be in a situation where I didn't feel like I could weigh in or talk about

it. And that has always served me really well in my life. Like you should always want to be able

to speak up, even if it is a table where you are put on the spot and it's snooty,

you want to be able to play ball. So it complicated, but like, oh my god, I just, I felt so bad for her.

And then when they like moved her luggage, I'm sorry, that's just so like, are you serious?

They're adults. Like you don't think they're fucking like Jesus Christ.

And then at the bit when he was like, he didn't sign up for breakfast. Like you didn't sign

up for breakfast. What are you at fucking summer camp? Like god damn. And also that's just,

I just hate when men don't think about women in, in a way that women think about men. Like if

the situation were reversed, you better believe that the, the woman would be like, oh my god.

We have this weird thing for breakfast and like, I'm going to sign you up. And I'm going to wake

you up so you can do it because that will help you, you know, curry favor with your, with my

aunt or whatever. It just the fact that I think in those moments that were that's where you really see

like his entitlement and his kind of like, he's a sweet guy clearly. And he does love her,

obviously. But like in those moments, you're just like, oh, like you did grow up, like kind of thinking

that you're the best type of vibe. At least that's how I interpreted it. Um, is that he could

just be like a teeny bit selfish at points. Not selfish in like an evil way, selfish in a way

where he was just kind of like only thinking about himself. The last note I have on this is just,

I think how a guy integrates you is such a subtle but telling way. And we've all had situations

like this before where whether you're going to a guy's house or you're going to like,

like, like, I don't know, meet his friends for the first time. We've all had it both ways, right?

We've had the guy where he's like, oh my god, like this is ting. She, you'll really like talking

a blah. Like they, they also love cats are like, oh my god, like come over here and like,

let's get a beer and like staying with you the whole night, like, including you in conversation.

And then you've also, we've also had the guy who like, literally you got to the party and he

like disappears and everyone's staring at you and you're like, oh, I actually feel like a freak

what's going on. It is so important to note how the guy integrates you. And also like I've

had it with meeting guy's parents too. Sometimes you really feel like they don't prepare you and

they don't like set you up for success. And then sometimes you're like, oh, like he wants me to win.

You know what I mean? He wants me to feel comfortable enough to like shine and he's put effort

and thought into it. So yeah, I love the show. I really didn't expect to love it this much,

but it's really great. And, um, oh, sorry, one more thing. I was thinking like if someone

called my show and said, oh, I went to this guy's like, we like very fancy families. Um, you know,

like house this weekend and he didn't like sign me up for breakfast. He didn't wake me up.

Like his family hates me. Like they were mean to me. He didn't really defend me that much.

I'd be like, get out of there. Like that's not good girl. Like damn. So, um,

yeah, just, you know, it's, it's not necessarily the romance model we're all hoping for,

but it is certainly captivating to watch. And they really did a beautiful job. I have to say

all the old shots. I love it extra because it's filmed in Tribeca. And that's my neighborhood. And

I love it so much to see all those just like all the places they used to go to bubbies and walk

around like the streets and oh god, it's just beautiful. And I think that they just did a great

job with it. So I'm looking forward to the next episode. It's, it's horrible watching a tragedy

because you know what's coming, but it's really, really fun to watch. So that's my, that's my

take on it so far. I can't wait for the wedding episode to holy shit. Like it's going to be insane.

Let's do a little AMA. Riley, dealing with debt. Hi, tanks. I got married last September while we

were in the trenches of planning three months before the wedding. We found out my father-in-law

stole my husband's social security number and racked up $40,000 in credit card and personal

loan debt in his name, starting the year we got engaged. And then the, and the year my dad died.

Nice. How did we find out? My husband did his own taxes for the first time ever. His dad always

did them before. He logged into credit carna and afterward and surprised multiple loans and credit

cards. He never had opened. His dad has never apologized. No or more. Nothing. I can barely look

at the man. Meanwhile, my husband is pretty much forgiven him because he's still my dad. So my

question is, how do you move forward when your father-in-law commits literal identity theft,

shows zero accountability? And your husband is ready to sweep it under the rug. Am I crazy for

not being able to move on? Help. Okay. I would be legit furious. I would be so fucking angry. That

is, that is actually whack behavior. And I don't think you're crazy whatsoever for being upset.

I wouldn't be able to move past it. I would tell my husband if I were you, I'd be like, look,

I can't really be bothered to be in the same room as your dad because he literally stole from

you. And this is affecting our family and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge or deal with

this and or put the correct amount of emphasis on this is so disappointing. I don't think you're

crazy at all. That's so much money. And it's also like the fact that the dad was willing to put his

son in harm's way like that. Like it financially, I mean, is so scary. Like the money is a lot.

It's a lot of money. But it's the fact that this could be so damaging. Like if you guys didn't

figure it out, this could have snowballed into horrible consequences. And I'm just, I mean, like

I get it's his dad, but I just wish that your husband would take it a little bit more seriously

and acknowledge your feelings because again, it you are a unit now. You and your husband are a

family unit. You are a media family and and this is affecting you and your future kids too. So

I would talk to your husband and I would be like, look, I'm not going to be around him. I

until he apologizes and acknowledge what acknowledges what he's done. He took his fucking social

security number. That's like, I just can't believe that your husband isn't more upset. It's really

not okay. I do not think you're crazy. I would not be able to move on at all. I would want really

no part of it until he acknowledged it. And I think you should hold your ground ridiculous.

All right, you guys. That is our show. I will be back on Monday with another live show. Don't

forget you can call in on Mondays as well. And I will see you then have a great weekend. Until then,

be good. Bye.