
LUR - 9-19-26 - April EP10
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Welcome to Let Us Reason, a Christian Muslim dialogue with host Al Fadi. Let us Reason is a unique show utilizing theology, apologetics and evangelism to reach Muslims for Christ by comparing and contrasting Christian and Muslim doctrines. And now your host Al Fadi. Well, hello everyone. This is Al Fadi and I want to welcome you to a very special video series that we will be doing here from our studios with an amazing, amazing sister in the Lord. And a first time guest on our show, but I've been really impressed by the work that she's been doing. And the Lord just put in my heart to reach out to her and just be bold enough to ask, will you be willing to be on my show and praise the Lord that she accepted we're talking about? Sister Christine Dark and our letter, of course, do more introduction about herself and her ministry, but the show that we will be covering today,
and possibly in a second part has to do with miracles among Muslims. And it's really, we named it after her book, The Jesus Visions, Miracles Among Muslims. And I will allow her also to elaborate further on that. But first let us introduce our guest, you know, sister Christine, sister Christine. Welcome and thank you so much for accepting our invitation. We're honored by it. Oh, Al Fadi, I'm so honored to be with you today. And I'm very excited to share about the move of the Holy Spirit amongst the Muslim people. Amen. So, you know, we're going to talk about, you know, miracles among Muslims. And of course, your book is titled That Way. Tell us a little bit more about when did you feel the calling, of course, to just work among Muslims and go to Islamic nations. And when did you feel that? I mean, I hate to say it, Christine, but I mean, a lot of Christians sometimes there are hesitant to work with Muslims. They're afraid, they're confused about the Muslims. They don't want to associate with them sometimes out of fear of offending the Muslims.
And the list can go on and on and on. Well, I'm the daughter of a pre-spirited vegetarian minister who brought me up to love and venerate the Jewish people. So I've always loved the Jewish people. And God called me to them and God called me to the nation of Israel. But to my surprise, when I arrived in Israel, hoping to see all the visual saved, God enlarged my heart, Al Fati, for the Muslim people and for the Arabs. And he gave me a real love, not only for the Jewish people, but equal love for the Arab people. And this ministry is a glorious ministry that God has given me because it's very unusual. Usually when somebody is called to Israel, they, as you say, have sort of the fear of the Muslims, or if someone is called to the Muslim people, they don't necessarily gravitate towards Jewish people. But God gave me a love for them all. And I worked for a number of years with a great evangelist, a blessed memory, Reinhard Baka.
And he used to have a saying that harvest time in the kingdom, meaning the harvest of souls, people who get saved, is a set time. And so I was hoping to see the harvest of the Jewish people. But actually right now, it's the harvest time for the Muslim people. And so while there was an Israel, God supernatural through the divine agencies of dreams envisioned, open up doors for me to hold evangelistic meetings amongst the Muslims. And a little bit hold, they were hungry, they were open, they received salvation, they received healings. And I said, my goodness, we must not waste this harvest. The harvest of Israel, of the Jewish people is happening, but will come later during the Great Tribulation, actually. But right now, the Holy Spirit is moving as Joel 228 in the Hebrew Bible prophesied through dreams and visions.
And it's time for the Muslims to receive the Savior. And so that's why I entered into that hardest feel. For many years, I collected stories of salvation of Muslims and dreams and visions that they've had. And I collected them together in that book that you graciously mentioned, the Jesus visions, miracles among Muslims, which has been in a third edition. I think right now it's out of print, but it's available on Amazon as an ebook. So all of that information is there. And as far as I know, Al Fati, this was the first book ever written in this genre about this amazing move of the Holy Spirit through dreams and visions with the Muslims that been several other books since mine was published. This as far as I know is the first and there are stories in there that will encourage every believer not to be afraid to love the Muslim people because they are so spiritually hungry and ready to be prayed for.
So we must be bold as a lion and ask our Muslim friends, have you had a dream about Jesus? And you'll be surprised how many will say yes, but they needed an evangelist in their life to explain. The meaning of the dreams often in the clues that God gives in the dreams about Jesus the Messiah. Amen. Amen. So do you want to walk us through some of these stories in your book if that would be appropriate or would you like to share any other stories outside of that too, but people can see the book cover every now and then during the show as well. But go ahead already. Well, I call myself an evangelist of the empty tomb in Jerusalem because the tomb of the Lord is empty. All of the prophets are still in their grave, but we serve a risen Lord. He said, I am the resurrection and the life. And that's what makes him so unique. And so this journey that I went on to tell the Muslim people and the Jewish people.
And the Jewish people about Messiah has many beginnings in it. And I believe that God's MO, his modus operandi is often with dreams and visions. For example, one of my earliest childhood memories, which I mentioned in my book, is that I myself had a visitation from the Lord. I have seen the Lord. I can say with Mary Magdalene, I have seen the risen Lord. I was a very sick child. I had rheumatic fever. I was losing all of my hair. And my parents said that I was dying. But Jesus appeared to me as a middle eastern man, not as a blonde, blue eyed Jesus of Sunday school portraits. But he appeared and he came to my crib. I even remember still being in my baby crib. That's how early this vision was. But it's burned in my memory that he was a middle eastern man. He healed me and he was wearing a white and green robe, just like the robe that he wore went later on in my ministry. He appeared corporately simultaneously to 21 Muslim school children in Arabia.
Now it was amazing when he appeared to me and healed me because that was a one-on-one vision. But when Jesus in 1996 appeared in Arabia, he was wearing a white robe and a green mantle on him, emblematic of the emerald rainbow that's around the throne of God, which the book of Revelation tells us. And he appeared to these Muslim schoolboys as one man and then as three. They looked and they also saw him and they said, teacher, teacher, the prophet has come. See, the isa has come. And he is one man, but then he becomes three. And then he's one and then he becomes three again. And so he taught them the Trinity. And he was carrying in his arm. A big holy Bible. So he was saying, this is the word that I want my people to know. I want them to know the Torah and the in jail. I want them to know the holy Bible. And Jesus's name, I remember seeing written in the sands of Saudi Arabia many years ago, the name of Jesus. And I knew that Saudi shall be saved.
So the fact that you're saved al-Fati is really an example of my prayers over the years and my dreams and visions that all of Islam can hear and be saved. Amen. Amen. Amen. In the book also, there is an image here that I'm going to show on the screen where you're seeing Jesus basically that appears appearing to someone who is asleep. Is there a story behind this particular image? Yes. And artists who did illustrations for the first edition of the book showed that when Muslim people are having dreams about Jesus, he's always a man in white. And he's always surrounded by light. And sometimes they see the cross. And sometimes they see different things in the dreams. And they're all clues that he is Lord and he is saved. For example, a man from Pakistan wrote to me in his dream.
He saw a man in white and he knew that it was Jesus. They always seem to know that it's not their prophet, but it is the risen Lord Jesus. And this Pakistani man was given a box. And he wondered what was in the box. He wrote to me, what do you think this dream means? And I wrote back to saying, well, the word of God says that in him, in the Lord, in Yeshua, in Yeshua, are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So he's saying, if you open this box, if you open your heart to me, all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge will be given to you. So these dreams are different, but they're also the same. And if you're in a taxi, say, with a Muslim driver, you can venture to ask if they've had a dream about Jesus. I mean, that happened to me. I mentioned in my book in the driver said, funny, you should mention that because he's been visiting in my dreams and please interpret my dreams for me.
And so God needs evangelists to explain to our Muslim brethren why the Lord is appearing them because he's answering the prayer of Abraham back in Genesis 17. Remember when God said that Abraham would be the father of the promise and God was speaking of the promised child Isaac. But Abraham already had a son via Sarah's handman, Hegar, and his name was Ishmael. And Abraham loved Ishmael and he said, oh, let Ishmael live. I don't need another son. Let Ishmael live before you. And that's also my cry. Oh, God let Ishmael live. Well, as you know, Ishmael can receive through the Arab descendants, all sorts of wealth, all wealth, whatever. But unless he receives salvation, he's not blessed. So God promised to Abraham, yes, I'm going to bless him. I'm going to make him great. And how is he blessed? He's blessed with salvation.
What's coming out from behind the Jericho like walls that are holding him into a religious system and showing him the door to God who is Jesus. And this is happening in our generation. A great evangelist I know of Egypt said, for example, all of Egypt would believe in Jesus if they only had the freedom to do so. Amen. Amen. I believe it. I believe it. So those people that usually will tell you that they saw this dream, this vision, after you explain, you know, the vision for them like you did with the Pakistani gentlemen. And that was beautiful. What you told him about the wisdom, you know, and the fact that he needs to open his heart. How do they react typically? I mean, do they react on the spot? Do they go think about it? Do they feel honored that this is what Jesus is offering them? Yes, all of that happens. And sometimes it's like an instant knowing. But then, as you know, there's a process that goes with it too, because there's fear of if they begin to become a follower of Jesus, then what is their family going to say?
Because as you know, Arab societies are family oriented. So there's a process. And the Lord often visits time and time again until they become comfortable with the fact that he is Lord, and that they're willing to say, yes, I'm a believer in Jesus. And I will follow him. And their reactions are so different. I remember one time inviting a postal person who worked in the post office in Jerusalem, where we also live. And he was one of the most miserable looking persons I'd ever seen. Every time I went in the post office, he looked so surly. He looked so unhappy. And I thought anyone that looks that unhappy has to be invited. So I invited him to our cross cultural Bible study at our church in the city of Jerusalem. And he came and he said, how is it that you would invite me a Muslim to your Bible study? And I said, well, because the Lord loves all of you, and he wants to include you in his kingdom. And he said, well, what I was a little boy when I was about six years old, I had a dream about Jesus.
He said, I've never understood the dream. I said, tell me what it was. He said, I saw Jesus dead. And I saw him buried in lying in his grave. And I don't understand it. I said, oh, I can interpret that for you. I said, if you realize that you have been taught that Jesus did not die on the cross that he was too good to die, that he was spirited away to heaven. And someone else was crucified in his place, then you have been robbed of the heart of the gospel because the Bible says Jesus had to die because the world needed a savior, the world needed the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. So God was showing you that Jesus did die and that he died for you. And would you like to receive the Lord? And suddenly this miserable looking person broke into the most beautiful smile I had seen. He said, yes, I finally understand my dream. And I want the Lord.
So that was someone who came instantly and although he had been conditioned by the Lord since his childhood, but never understood the dream. So each case is really different and absolutely fascinating. Absolutely. And I appreciate you saying that because you know, some some you know of the people from Christian background, whether they're Arab or Westerners, they just assume that there is a cookie cutter approach to anyone in evangelism, specifically for Muslims. If it worked for one, it must work for the other. And I think, you know, what you said is is really resonate with me because I came to the Lord after a 12 year search and I know others that it took him longer and some look him shorter, but every person is unique. I mean, even when you look at the gospels, every person that Jesus basically declared them, you know, to be saved that their faith have saved them. They came with a different baggage and with a different reason behind it. You know, so I appreciate you saying this. I see that you have a slide about Iran and obviously right now as we are talking, you know, let's pray for the people of Iran because today is the deadline that President Trump has set, you know, for the regime.
I would even argue that evil regime that is imprisoned in these beautiful innocent people in Iran has been imprisoned in them for 47 years, but you never know today could be a liberation day for them. But it sounds like there is something going on in Iran from from your perspective from your ministry side of things. So would you like to share any of that with us? Yes, it's very amazing because they say that there are at least one million, perhaps more secret believers in Iran who have come to saving knowledge of the Lord through television and through programs like yours and through this phenomenon of dreams, and vision so many Iranians are seeing the Lord and one of my Iranian friends was visited in a vision by the Lord and the Lord said to him, preach, I'm coming soon, preach, don't be afraid, preach. My second coming is very, very soon. So we know that God wants to liberate Iran. Jeremiah 49 says that God is even going to set his throne in Iran. He's going to destroy the military might of Iran and that nation will be set free.
And I'm hoping it will become the first nation in the Middle East from that kind of a background that becomes a Christian nation if they can only be set free. And you know, people say to us, Al Fati, well, why are you bothering to preach to Muslims because they all believe in God? You may have, but I've never met an atheist amongst the Muslims. They all do believe in God. But everybody needs the Savior. Romans 6.23 says that the wages of sin is death, but Romans 10.9 promises that if we will be willing to confess with our mouth, the Lord Jesus, and believe in our heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. You don't have to pray five times a day. You don't have to fast for a month. But if you will believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead as he's showing himself to be alive to the Muslims and be willing to confess with the mouth he's Lord, you shall be saved. Hallelujah.
So this whole movement amongst the Muslims is an end time move of God. And the church has to understand that it's an end time move of God because the prophet Joel in chapter 2 verse 28. And this repeated in the book of Acts in the New Testament said that it will come to pass in the last days. God says, I'm going to pour out my spirit on all flesh and that includes more than a billion Muslim people. And he says your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. I shall speak the words of the Lord and your old men shall dream dreams. I prayed with many old Hodges who have prayed and received Jesus because they have as an old man a dream of Jesus and your young men shall see visions of Jesus and many young men and very many young women in a run and elsewhere are having these experiences.
When Jesus walks through walls when he appears in the prophecy of their bedroom in their dreams and he reveals who he is. Now God needs preachers. He needs preachers on television. He needs preachers on the ground. But if societies are close to the word God, then God himself goes into the dreams of these precious souls because remember he's answering the prayer of Abraham. Oh, let Ishmael live and Ishmael lives when he receives eternal life. Hallelujah. Amen. Amen. Well, we have a couple of minutes left here before we wrap up part one. Once again, if we can remind people where they can get a copy of your book, you said it's available in Amazon as an ebook are there any other sites that they can visit as well to learn about your ministry and follow you. Yes, if you go to gerisselonchannel.tv, that's our website. And we also have gerisselon channel site on YouTube in which we talk about in time prophetic events, Bible prophecy updates.
Yes. And I highly recommend people to follow sister Christine. I follow her myself on Facebook. This is how I came to know more about her work and it's fascinating. The the scripture that she uses in the commentaries on that solid solid biblical interpretations, nothing in there whatsoever. I mean, these days, sister Christine, a lot of people have a lot of opinions about the word of God. So sometimes you have to be very suspicious of where they're going with it. But I like the way you do things very short, very succinct to the point and what a blessing, of course, to to get to know you and are there any other books that you've wrote or you've written, I should say, be beside this book that people can benefit from as well. Yes, I've written about 20 books and one of them that has just been uploaded again on Amazon is called 50 gifts of the Holy Spirit. Now usually Bible teachers teach on only nine gifts of the spirit, which is possible. Paul mentioned in first Corinthians, but he was dealing with difficult ones that have caused a lot of controversy.
But there are many other gifts besides the word of prophecy besides faith and healing. For example, hospitality is a gift in the era of people certainly have that music is a gift. And it's very interesting that Romans chapter 11 speaking of Israel says that the gifts and calling of Israel are irrevocable. So we often say, well, our gifts are irrevocable, but we have to realize the context of that is that God was speaking first to Israel. So he wants to bless the Jewish people and he wants to bless the Aaron people and then all of the Gentile people left in the world. He wants him to be saved. And so that is one book and then I've written the wounded lover about God's mysterious relationship with Israel, how they're temporarily divorced, but God has never rejected them. They're getting back together again. Many books about Jerusalem. One is based on Acts 1 6 in which the apostles ask him, Lord, are you going to restore the kingdom to Israel? And he said, yes, in the last days, and I believe it's happening now.
Amen. Amen. Well, thank you so much again and look forward to our follow up, you know, show part two about this. Everyone, hopefully you've been blessed by this. Please make sure you visit these sites and that this is a great deal. And that is just a Christine mentioned and also hopefully you can order some of these books and be blessed by the content of the material that she's shared with us. Thank you, Sister Christine. Thank you, everyone. This is Al Fati, God bless. Thanks for watching. Please like, subscribe, share and comment and ring the bell so you will be notified when we release new content. Our mission is to reach Muslims with the gospel of Jesus Christ and help Christians engage with their Muslim neighbors. If you want to join us in this life-changing work, please support us on patreon.com forward slash, zero international or just click on the link below.
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