Mammograms Don’t Save Lives? Dr. Jennifer Simmons Explains... | DSH #1856

At All Topsy Studies, we know that all comers, women, not the died of breast cancer, but died of

our accidents, overdoses. And if you were to look at their breasts under the microscope,

one in five women have microscopic evidence of breast cancer, but one in five women do not have

breast cancer. Nothing like that. There are a lot of women that would die with breast cancer,

rather than of breast cancer, and by using mammogram to screen everyone, you're picking up all of

these women who would never have developed clinical disease, but then once you treat them for

breast cancer, you forever change them and not in a good way.

Okay guys, Dr. Jennifer Simmons here today. We're going to talk breast cancer and breast

cancer prevention and all that good stuff. Yeah. Thanks for all things breast off.

Thanks for doing this. Thanks for my pleasure. So happy to be here. Yeah. I mean, it's a major

issue right now, right? It is. It is. I think that now more than ever, as we're having this

resurgence about hormones and perimenopausal therapy and postmenopausal therapy, and the bottom

line is the one thing that everyone from the very young to the very old and everyone in between

is worried about is breast cancer. And how do we find out about breast cancer, but through breast

cancer screening and our screening program is broken and has been broken for decades because it's

totally focused around an archaic technology that quite frankly, it doesn't work because what

what it does is it screens the entire population the same exact way, whether you're low risk,

high risk, or anywhere in between. And there has never been a study that showed that screening

with mammogram decreases mortality. Wow. So there's no survival benefit at all to screening

with mammogram. And in fact, what ends up happening when you screen with mammogram is that you lead

to overdiagnosis, over treatment, and there are significant harms to the population in doing that.

And the number one thing that we could do to decrease breast cancer incidence is to stop

screening with mammogram tomorrow. And that makes people feel really uncomfortable because they're

worried that you're going to miss a diagnosis that women will die. And it's absolutely positively

untrue. We have huge studies of women, 600,000 women in the Swedish trials, where 300,000

underwent mammographic screening, 300,000 went without. And the same number of women die in each

group. Really? So there is no increase in survival from screening with mammogram. And the only

difference between the two groups is that if you screen with mammogram, you're going to diagnose

20 to 30 percent more cancers. So it just brings about overdiagnosis. So these are women

that would have died with breast cancer rather than of breast cancer. And when we look at autopsy

studies, we know that all comers, women, not the died of breast cancer, but died of car accidents

over doses, these kinds of things. And if you were to look at their breasts under the microscope,

one in five women have microscopic evidence of breast cancer, but one in five women do not have

breast cancer. Nothing like that. So there are a lot of women that would die with breast cancer,

rather than of breast cancer. And by using mammogram to screen everyone, you're picking up all

of these women who would never have developed clinical disease. But then once you treat them for

breast cancer, you forever change them. And not in a good way, right? The psychological toll,

I just heard a horrible statistic, which is that the bankruptcy rate for women after breast cancer

is enormous. Like one in two women will really, really suffer from a financial perspective,

just secondary to having been treated for breast cancer. So the matter is not cheap to treat.

No, it's not. It's it's like insurance won't cover most of the time, right? They don't cover

everything. They don't cover near everything. And our entire system is geared towards the providers

using the most expensive ways to treat. Yeah. And it's the it's the patient that pays the

price because the patient is being stuck with that delta between what insurance is paying for

and what the cost of the procedure was. And they get very little vote. It's not like they're having

a conversation with their medical oncologist that sounds like, well, I can give you this drug,

which is this amount of money or this drug with this amount of money, the outcome's the same.

Yeah, they don't tell you the cost over. They don't. They don't. And you're never allowed to

participate in that part of the conversation. And then you're just stuck holding the bill at the

end. And in many, in many cases, especially in the case of metastatic disease, the drugs that

are being given really do not extend life. So and at $100,000 a dose, like what are we doing?

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Unreal. Yeah, unreal. To extend life by weeks, three weeks, four weeks. I mean, it just doesn't,

it doesn't make any sense. And I'm not judging or here to say, you know, how valuable is a

week of your life. Of course. But it's not like a quality week of your life, right? It's horrible.

You're suffering. These drugs have horrible, horrible side effects. So I, our system is so

very broken and so centered around illness. And the only way that doctors are rewarded,

the only way hospitals are rewarded is if you're sick. And until we start to value health,

until we change our system to be centered and geared around health, it's going to remain broken.

10% is there an alternative to the mammogram? Let's say someone watching this wants to get a scan

or a test. Absolutely. So the way that I screen for breast cancer is that first of all, I encourage

every woman to do self breast examination. No one is ever going to know you better than you know

yourself. And the truth is that most young women are finding their own cancer. It's not being found

on screening. The second thing is there's something called the ARIA tears test. And this is an

at home kit that you can use to screen for breast cancer. It is very inexpensive. It has a 93%

sensitivity for breast cancer. So better than any other imaging except for MRI. MRI has a tremendous

amount of false positives. And in five minutes, 100% safely, you put a little piece of litmus paper

in your eye. Take it out, send it to the company in a week and a half, you get a result that is either

normal. And then you're done screening for breast cancer. If you have a normal examination and a

normal ARIA test, you don't have breast cancer. You don't have nothing to worry about. And if you get

a clinically significant result, this means that you have the inflammatory precursors to breast cancer.

And you go get imaging. And if you don't have clinical evidence of breast cancer,

you know that you're still at increased risk because this result is positive. And what you do have

is the opportunity to prevent a breast cancer diagnosis. So not only is this a screening test,

but it's also preventative. So this is groundbreaking. This is going to forever change how we

screen for breast cancer. And give women an opportunity that they never had before because there's

nothing preventative about a mammogram. There's nothing preventative about an ultrasound or an MRI.

But with this test, because it's not measuring for breast cancer, it's measuring for the inflammatory

precursors. And we can mitigate inflammation. And when we do that, we can actually prevent a diagnosis.

Incredible. Yeah, this resonates with me because my own mother, she said she had stage zero

breast cancer. She moved both of her breasts because of that. And it makes me wonder like,

I know when you told me that it's just it's so disconcerting. And again, this is another

example of how broken our system is because we take a condition that is not cancer. And we treat it

like cancer. And these women are forever changed. Like you no matter how much preparation you do,

no matter if you do a wonderful reconstruction, you can never prepare a woman for the devastation

of breast removal. You just can't. And there will never come a day for the rest of her life

when she won't remember that she had breast cancer. And I understand that it's necessary

sometimes, right? Sometimes in order to heal that person in order to get that person healthy,

you do need to do a mastectomy. But in the case of DCIS, Dr. Carson Oman said to,

this is not cancer. No one ever dies of this form of disease. Wow. And we know that 80% of these

will never progress to become invasive cancer. And the doctor pushed her to get her breast removed.

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Mom. That's crazy. I'm sorry that happened to you. And there are things are changing

and there are physicians that are now at least considering observation with these women.

And I don't want to say waiting for progression, but not doing things like mastectomy in women,

unless there is an indication that this is a progressing condition. So things are changing,

but not quickly enough. And in the meantime, there's all of these casualties along the road,

because it is devastating. And these women do believe that they had breast cancer. They're told

that this is breast cancer. And they're treated like it's breast cancer. And the treatments

are not without their devastating side effects. Losing your breast is a devastating side effect.

Some of the medicines that are used increase cardiovascular disease, increase

degenerative disease, increase osteoporosis, and you know, let's me forget.

The same number of women die of a complication of a fracture every year as die of breast cancer.

So if you're taking a condition that is not life-threatening, treating it, and then giving someone

a condition that is life-threatening, what are we doing? Yeah. How have we helped that woman?

We haven't. So are the numbers actually on the rise then for breast cancer? People actually

getting it? Well, then the absolute numbers are on the rise, but that's just because we're

sampling more people. So the harder you look for this disease, the more you're going to find.

But the same number of people are dying of breast cancer every year, and that has been true

for 20 years. So that number hasn't changed. That's interesting. So the only thing that we're doing

is increasing that denominator to make our numbers look better, to make us feel better about

ourselves. But are we saving lives? No. We're just diagnosing more women with cancer. We are

treating more women. We're helping the system, but we are not helping the patients. That is

interesting, right? Yeah. It's actually awful. That's fishy to me. Yeah. Yeah. And there was,

there was just a study, the wisdom study was released last week. It was presented at the San Antonio

conference. And what it looked at is either just using annual mammogram to screen or risk

stratifying people. And the low risk group doesn't get screened at all until they're 50. And then

at 50, they get screened every other year. The average risk group gets screened every year. And the

high risk group gets screened every six months with alternating mammogram and MRI. And the interesting

thing that came out of this is that in the stratified group, you would expect them

because they had less mammograms to have less biopsies. And what they had is more biopsies.

So the same exact number of cancers get diagnosed in both groups. But with less mammograms,

they did more biopsies. And the reason they did more biopsies is because they did more MRIs. And

the MRIs found more things, meaningless things. And so women ended up having more biopsies as a result.

And this just goes to show you that the more you look for, the more you're going to find,

but there's no benefit to the women. There's no benefit in looking harder. There's no benefit

to diagnosing more cancers that would have never progressed. It would have never become clinical

disease. So we're just creating this whole group of women that would have died with breast cancer,

but not of breast cancer. And now we just make them live longer with the knowledge

that they had the disease and with the ramifications of treatment. So it might be doing more harm

than good because we also make these women super stressed and paranoid. That's exactly right.

We are actually decreasing both the quality and the duration of their life in diagnosing them

with breast cancer unnecessarily and treating them unnecessarily for breast cancer. So it's having

devastating effects. And it's not a small number. So we know from the Swedish trials, we know from

the Canadian breast cancer screening study that that number of overdiagnosis is somewhere between

20 to 30%. So 20 to 30. We have four million women in this country living with a breast cancer

diagnosis. If we're talking about 20%. It's almost a million. Yes, that's right. If we're talking

about 20 to 30%. We're talking about a million women who were diagnosed and treated for breast

cancer unnecessarily. Like what are we doing? That's insane. Each one probably spent an average of six

figures. At least. On the chemo, on the surgeries. At least. On this. Whatever they're giving them for.

Yep. Yep. The drugs. What an industry for them. And all the side effects. And this leads us to

like what's happening with these ladies afterwards? Because when you treat a woman for breast cancer

and most of the treatments for breast cancer virtually eliminate their circulating

estrogens, right? So we're thrusting all of these women into menopause. And while the rest of the

world is allowed to have the menopause conversation, right? And they got rid of the black box warning.

So the access to hormones is being opened up for everyone except for the high risk population.

So if you have a black mutation, if you have a strong family history or God forbid a history of

breast cancer, no one will talk to you about hormones. And these women are suffering. And they're

probably suffering worse than the women who are not treated for breast cancer. Because when you

treat a woman for breast cancer, you accelerate cardiovascular disease. You accelerate

neurodegenerative disease. You accelerate osteoporosis. They have bone aches and joint aches. They

have weight gain. They have a loss of confidence, a loss of sense of self. They have urinary

condense problems. They have problems with chronic infections. They have no libido. Their

relationships are suffering. I mean, the divorce rate in the breast cancer population is really high

because they basically take everything about a woman away from them. And then they give them no

access to it on the other side. And it's all based on this belief that somehow giving these women

hormone replacement after breast cancer increases recurrence. But we have 20 to 25 studies

that say otherwise. There was only one trial, the habit trial, that showed an increase in

breast cancer recurrence when you give hormone replacement after breast cancer. And that was

based on the kind of hormone replacement that they gave them. So they gave them a synthetic

progesterogen in a high dose. And we know that that causes cancer in all the populations.

So, you know, of course, if you give them the wrong thing, if you give them a cancer causing

medication, they did exactly what you would expect they do. They got cancer. But all the other

studies, every other study, showed no increase in breast cancer if you give them hormone replacement

after breast cancer. So why aren't these people being included in the conversation? Because it's

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doing for the last 20 years since the Women's Health Initiative, and that's exactly why the

results of the Women's Health Initiative were what they were. Because if they can take away

women's hormones, it opens up the door to five, ten pharmaceuticals. It's a lot.

Yeah, thanks for speaking out on this. I know it hasn't been easy for you. So I really appreciate

how people watching us take action and support you and keep up with you. Yeah, well,

just follow me on all social at Dr. Jen Simmons, and my Jen has two ends. I wrote a book this year

a bestselling book called The Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer, and this is really for anyone

with breasts. But it's especially helpful to anyone who has gotten a breast cancer diagnosis,

because I pretty much give you a roadmap back to health. Hello. And I help you to make an

educated decision, because most women are not getting that opportunity now. They're not given

the information in order to make an educated decision. And so they're being railroaded into

these treatments and therapies that have no long-term benefit. And before they know it, they've been

put on this like rollercoaster of breast cancer treatment, and they don't they don't even know

why they did it. They were so rushed into doing it. So the number one thing that I cover in my

book in the very first chapter of my book is take a breath, take a pause, get educated,

though it feels like an emergency, it is not. And here is everything that you need to make an

educated decision and to restore your health and live the rest of your life in health with

vitality. Beautiful checker out guys. Check out the book. We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on.

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