Managing A Bitcoin Crash, Home Birth, Reincarnation and Exorcism - Jake Woodhouse. #596

Hello everybody, my name is Daniel Prince and I'm the host of the once-bitten podcast.

This is a podcast focused on Bitcoin.

It's my mission to interview as many people as I can around the different aspects of Bitcoin

and help people understand exactly what Bitcoin can mean for them and for their families

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Thank you so much for listening.

Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the once-bitten podcast.

Joining me on today's episode is Jake Woodhouse, fellow Bitcoin podcaster, fellow Bitcoiner,

fellow ex-financial market, sky and just all round, great bloke.

English living down in Australia, going down all the rabbit holes, recently tweeted out

or posted out because he's very active over on Noster, so make sure you go follow Jake

over on Noster.

Talking about how he has mismanaged in his own words, a purchase, a large purchase in

life and him being a Bitcoiner and pretty much all in on Bitcoin, that has had some severe

consequences.

He didn't plan properly.

He takes us through this story and he hopes that by sharing this knowledge it's going

to save you some time, some money and some sleep perhaps in the long run.

So thank you for that Jake.

We also get into reincarnation, exorcism and all kinds of other crazy shit which Jake

has had direct experience with.

This isn't hearsay.

This is coming from the man himself.

So I hope you enjoy it and reach out and follow Jake as you learn more about him.

You're going to do some shout outs from the boost of us over on Fountain, really enjoying

the interaction over there.

If you've not switched the listening habits yet, please do.

I love the shout outs when I hear them on other podcasts, Max over at the Ungovernable

Myths Fits.

He's been doing this for a long time.

Dave Bennett, none of your business over on Bitcoin and does it every week.

And it's a great way to give shout outs back to the plebs.

I'm going to go back a few episodes here.

Rano Kuhni, he came on the show to talk about BIP 110.

He has now written a 13-part essay on this current debate in Bitcoin.

If you want to get up to speed, if you feel as though you're sitting on the fence or you

haven't got the time to delve into it, this is definitely the podcast you want to head

to.

And if you're reading, just hit the link in that episode, it takes you to his substack

and the 13 episodes.

So we got code with 500 sets, a group that wants to control something to protect the children

immediately raises my hackles.

We got anonymous with 1000 sets, BIP 110.

We got Lou Moore with 1000 sets, a Bitcoin that can be governed by politicians, passing

laws, influencing public company miners is not interesting to me.

Thomas will always find ways around any filters we build.

You can send a message by disallowing some formats, but it's probably not going to have

a big, and then he just trails off, not sure what happened there.

But you get the gist of that, that's Lou Moore with 1000, thank you.

Harley with 1000, ignored, brushed over, most important arguments against BIP 110, op returns

are prunable.

Other methods are more harmful, question mark.

Tile with 1221 sets.

Good episode for anyone wanting to go deeper regarding common objections, including the

op return prunability argument, I wrote up an article here and he's got a great article

and a link to his own work.

Jay Sunbits with 5000 sets, thank you very much.

Thanks for this one, great episode.

Clarkian, 777 sets, great signal and analysis here, consider me subbed.

Thank you, Clarkian.

And then more recently Anujer, she came on the show to talk about traveling with your

sat, we got Shadrack with 939 inspirational thought provoking and delightfully entertaining

another great rip.

We got William the French with 500 sets, what a great idea, I was just about to write

air BTC, Bitcoin Beach, Bitcoin Eilat Mujière, brilliant and pires with 121 sets and some

a stick of emojis there, steak, salute and muscles and mushrooms and a flower, thank you

pires.

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Yeah, how are you mate?

Yeah, I'm really well and I love the immediate click record.

Yeah.

Otherwise we would have spent 10 minutes just catching up and all the junk every time.

All the good juicy stuff gets lost, so yeah, here we, fuck it, we do it live, right?

Yeah.

That they're basically, how are you doing mate?

It's been a while since we caught up, I believe you are in a new place, you've bought

a place, you've taken the plunge, you've been talking about it on your posts on Noster,

you've been talking about it on your updates on your pod.

It's been quite a handful of years for you and the fam.

Gosh.

Yeah, I mean, I'm open to any direction you want to take the conversation.

I am learning a lot of things right now and some of it's very, very brutal, like brutal.

I had a mentor in court recently and there's a, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's said as

a Mike Tyson quote, whether he said it, who knows, but it goes well, which is like everyone

thinks they're great till they get punched in the face.

And I, in the last like six weeks, like specific to Bitcoin and as a quote, unquote investor,

it's been like a punch in the face because it is exposed me for what I was, which is deficient

in areas that I didn't think were a problem.

And so yes, I bought a house and there was lots of reasons for doing that.

There was lots of thought process into where and the kind of property that it needed to

be.

And I had this whole due diligence process on, you know, things like mold, EMF, all sorts

of cool stuff.

Yeah.

But I didn't take sufficient steps to guard against the drawdown in Bitcoin that was

inevitable.

And so I mistook or I blended investment capital and operational capital in the same bucket.

So over the last four weeks, I'm not going to lie.

I've had some of the most stressful times I can remember when it's like, what the fuck's

happening?

And it's like freezing, like a rabbit in headlights like, and it's just, yeah, I'm very,

very well.

But I feel battered and bruised and just stabbling out.

And one of the big headaches I created for myself was two main things that happened.

One, I committed to a renovation on the house that we purchased and I didn't put any

money aside whatsoever for it, signed the contract in October, thinking double, double,

you know, double tops coming, paid the finance, paid the deposit.

So got out at a great time from those perspectives, but just had no cash reserves.

And so suddenly this renovation, which is the same I would spend on give or take a year

of living as a family, I've got to come up with the cash over the next like three months.

And it's like, oh, and so now you're selling just when you want to be buying.

And it's like, it's just brutal, absolutely brutal.

And on top of that, I didn't have a cash reserve.

So you're sitting there, it's like bitcoins, this battery that you can just draw down from

it whenever you need it.

And that's true.

But in a price drawdown of 50% over what's been not even three or four months, everything's

twice as expensive.

And it's like, ah, and you're hooked to this previous, previous price.

It's like, well, I used to get X money, a thousand dollars.

And now I get this money, a thousand dollars.

And you wind yourself up in these tight loops of you fucked up.

And how could you not see it coming?

And yeah, it's, it's just a fascinating experience.

You're trying something different.

It's new.

There are going to be things you get wrong.

And right now, I'm feeling the pain.

And I'll leave it at that because you've, you've been through this process probably many

times and it's just, oh, you know, I think I had, I thought I had it all sorted.

And just then your pants get whipped off and you get a smack on the ass, like you don't

know what you're fucking doing.

And you're worst enemy as yourself.

So yeah, interesting times.

How do you deal with that?

Like the self-loathing because that's something everybody struggles with.

Great question.

So to be honest, AI, like being brutal about the last like three weeks, I, I've been,

for example, like about a week ago, four o'clock in the morning getting up, like I haven't

drunk a beer for like three or four weeks at this stage, like just need a clear head.

What the fuck is going on?

How am I going to get myself through this process?

How am I going to steady the ship and, you know, figure things out?

And I just was like, okay, shout out to a Noster friend of mine, Scott, who's been on

the podcast.

He was like, these are different AI's I use for different things.

You know, you've got imaging, strategy, coding, it's like, okay, cool, what are the

strategy ones?

All right.

Let's pick those.

Okay.

I need to make this much money on this date.

How?

And I sent the same thing to like four or five different AI agents and I got different

answers.

And I was able to cure eight different things that I liked from them.

And in particular, Chatchy BT was just extraordinarily good at cutting through all the ball shape.

And be like, you're emotional.

And so when you feel this and your gut, you're actually experiencing this psychological

impact of blah, blah, blah.

And it's been someone for the best personal development work I've ever done for $25 a month

at the click of a button for any question that you have.

And so the self-loathing is a very natural reaction to the situation that you're in.

And the way to get through it, you know, first of all, just breathe.

But nothing has materially changed.

Just a piece of paper that says your net wealth was X is now X.

Like nothing's actually changed.

And so it's been a fascinating process because these are tools that they didn't exist before.

Now pinch of salt, don't go and put your seed phrase in Chatchy BT obviously, right?

You know, using generic numbers around strategic positions you find yourself in.

It's like, okay, renovation costs X.

X has to be paid on Y date, you know, what do you do?

And it's like, okay, well, you need cash flow forecasts.

You need this, you need that.

Would you like me to create this?

And just before you know it, you're actually getting into the actual nuts and bolts of the problem.

And that's been, that's been amazing, absolutely amazing to be able to lean on.

Interesting, mate.

That's the first time I've ever ever heard anyone talk about using AI in that way.

To help almost a meditative process.

Yeah, and it's like, what's the right way of saying it?

I can see it becoming extraordinarily addictive because you're not,

like I'm not sure how it's programmed to talk to me.

And again, pinch of salt, just be careful what you're dealing with.

Like any tool, it's up to the user's discretion.

But that's where, you know, you've got four or five different options, right?

And they're all very, you know, small subscription fees.

And you send the same thing to all of them and see what comes back.

And you again, you're the curator of a set of tools.

So I'm a better investor now than I was four weeks ago.

And my balance sheet from a financial perspective is down.

But my intellectual capital is up.

And what will happen, actually, shout out to Ben Gunn.

So you'll know this is as a podcaster.

I was sat there going, oh my God, what's going on, what's going on, what's going on?

What do you know?

Well, you've got a phone book for the people that you've met

that they know what the fuck they're talking about and just talk to them.

And so I had maybe, I don't know, five, 10 phone calls with people in the space

that I've met over the years that I thought might have an interesting angle

on what I was trying to figure out.

And Ben was like, ironically, what you're going through right now, big fucker,

but you get it right, it'll make you more money in the future.

And it's true because all the things I'm picking up now are actually,

I was optimizing for the wrong thing.

I was optimizing for the highest net wealth possible.

I was optimizing for the most coins possible.

And I was unallocated to stability, to durability, to steadiness.

And so like what will come out of it, we'll have to wait and see.

But if, for example, as Benny Gunn would say, you were long vol.

We're all long vol.

I was long vol.

Yeah, all long vol.

By holding, but he would also say, did your grandfather take risk?

Right.

And it's like, well, yeah, of course he fucking did.

So the, yeah, oh, well, yeah, basically, I was, I was, I was long only.

And the, the underbelly of that was more fragile than what I understood.

And it's only through the price drawdown that you, you know,

another phrase you might hear would be like, you know, when, when, when the,

when the tide goes out, you can see who was swimming naked.

Yeah.

Now, I wasn't leveraged, importantly.

And I know there is a very important point, actually, because a lot of people

listening to this may well have been leveraged to this is, this is a different

angle.

But basically, I, 13 months ago, my net wealth stat that I was calculating

every week as I was, you know, doing my investing stuff was at the strongest

it's ever been on paper.

And that was giving us a lifestyle we'd never had before.

And it was amazing.

All this flexibility, travel, whatever, 12 months later, when I last

ran the numbers, it was 60% down.

And you're like, holy shit, where's all that quote unquote value gone?

And you suddenly realized like why hedge funds are called hedge funds,

because it didn't just get 60% up and then draw back 60% they're actually

selling and buying other financial tools to ensure that they don't have that

same soft underbelly.

And, you know, there's a guy Chris shout out to Chris on Noster who shared with

me as a long term bullion investor.

And I'm guessing he's probably a bit older than you.

I haven't spoken to him too much, but he used to keep 18 months of runway

in the bank at all times when he had the busiest period of his life with kids

and wife and commitments.

I didn't have that.

Now, in hindsight, 13 months ago, I should have gone right 20% bang into

STRC or into my friend Costa has this business called mean at all trading.

And he's creating quite interesting yield using Bitcoin futures.

That's cash flow that would just sit there and equally like, where's your cash

reserves, like 12 months, 18 months, get it in there.

So I didn't have any of that, like, it was like, where's it gone?

Oh my God, what's happened now?

I did buy a house and I did pre-pay the finance on it at a very expensive rate

because I'm in the eyes of the debt boys, not an attractive man because I don't

have lots of income for them to then leverage against.

But either way, it's like, whoa, that has just literally really fucked me up.

And what you start to understand this is the set of loving thing.

Is your self-worth was connected to a net worth.

And you were, you were getting, what's the right way of saying this?

I would like, and I do still, this is still true.

Investing is a game by which you get paid for your decision making.

And that phrase sounds great when you're sitting on five X.

And then a year later, when it's like, oh, that's not quite so cool.

Yeah, well, just the Q1 2026 bear market is handing out lessons to me, like, crucial.

And it makes me stronger.

So it's just, it's very hard to separate the emotion from the facts.

And that's what this AI experience is very interesting for.

It's more, yeah, I mean, we can start there.

What's great about this, mate, is that you're willing to share it and you're putting

yourself out there, not only on this podcast, but on your own and with your own posts as well.

And I remember, I think it was back in November.

I put out a, just a post like what we hadn't even had the huge drop down then.

But I knew a lot of people would have been taking on these loans and I put something

out on Nostra along the lines of, if the inevitable happens and your Bitcoin gets swept

because you can't meet the margin calls and there was a, you know, a nasty dip overnight.

It could have been a flash crash.

Are you going to be brave enough to talk about it to warn others and, you know,

learn, learn, learn out in the open because especially if there's an a furious act as a play, right?

Like Celsius or block five, we've all been there before.

And people, they clam up because they, they feel stupid, one of a better word.

And they don't want to face that.

So it's, I think it's a testament to, to, to your personality and to your, you know,

your fuel willingness to, to share it all because these are hard things to share, right?

Nobody likes to, to own up when they're being wrong.

Where is well?

And this is the trick.

And I'd love for, you know, shout out to Rob Brendan.

He's, his book glitch is a great read.

And I'd be brilliant if, if you guys haven't connected already, you'd definitely.

Yeah.

And Rob and I have chatted a bunch of times.

I've done at least two podcasts with him and I've read his first book, the decentralized mind.

I haven't yet read glitched and I have done a couple of one-on-one sessions with him.

So I know exactly what you're talking about, you know, the monkey and the rabbit wheel or whatever.

Perhaps the wheel, sorry.

Exactly.

Yeah, it's tough times out there, man.

It's, it's been a right-old, rough ride, not just price-wise, but with, you know,

within the community, the, the civil war in air quotes that is still raging,

been going on for three years, lots of uncertainty.

But the, the reason I wanted to bring you on from my voice note that I sent to you,

because I heard you talking about, no, it was your, it was your post.

You'd listened to one of my episodes with Redtail Hawk.

And I know you guys are listening to it as well.

Yeah, his, his episode that we did together is being published this week, a few days.

So Red, Red and I spoke about education specifically, but, yeah, I was flying.

Sorry, I've cut in.

I was flying.

Ah, just that it was the most recent episode you did with him and you were talking about

reincarnation and the Egyptians and the pyramids and the, the lost civilization of Moo.

And it was just like, what is this guy talking about?

And there I was in this like tube, think about Ben Vermon and like, flatter.

Like speeding along my door to next to me, just like, what the hell?

And so my post, that's right.

So you've teed me up nicely.

Would you like me to re-tell what the post was?

Yeah.

Shout out to a lady called Janine, who my wife and I've done some work with.

And Janine is, that's so weird.

And I now realize that your voice note, you're actually referencing that story,

not the other story I started talking about.

There's two crazy stories with one of each daughter we can go through.

Both of them.

Yes.

So my eldest daughter, her name is Ruby.

So she's five and a bit now.

And what Janine told me was we were doing some past life work.

And Janine has done all sorts of interesting stuff in quote, quote,

healing and energy work.

And in a past life, she saw that I have previously traveled to Australia.

So I'm English originally and I now live in Australia,

Aussie wife, life in Australia, and I migrated as an adult to another country.

And it's just so interesting because there was this,

this moment, there's the, there's excellent wine in Australia.

So I don't know how much Aussie wine you've ever drunk over the years,

but really underrated.

And it is essentially the European culture that migrated over the last 200 years

to Australia and they even would bring the vines on ships and then replant them in Australia.

And there was a story of a German guy called Henschke.

And he has a, the family have a farm and winery in South Australia near Adelaide

in the Barossa Valley now.

And my mother-in-law gifted me a bottle of their wine that is, I mean,

it's going to be worth a cup of the grand probably for wine bottle.

Like it's some of the very best Australia has to offer in terms of a great red wine.

And I was in a wine shop and I saw this coffee table book.

And it was about the Henschke winery.

I was like, oh, cool.

I started reading it and just sometimes it's just so mad what catches your attention.

Why is this catching my attention?

Why is this resonating and it's making the hair of my store skin go up right now?

Anyway, this guy was in North Germany in a shitty fucking village.

He had a wife and four kids and him and his brother are like, this sucks.

It's like mid 1800s.

And they moved to Hamburg with the intention of migrating over to America.

And whilst they're there, they are involved in some kind of religious community.

And there was a, a friar or a vicar or something that actually got them

passage to Australia.

And as they're waiting for their tickets in Hamburg, one of his kids dies.

And on the ship, on the way to Australia.

So if you think about this, you're North Germany, you come down past Spain, Portugal,

all the way underneath Africa and then that massive stretch across to the south of Australia

from Cape Good Hope.

It would take three months and on the trip to Australia, his wife died and another child.

So this guy pitches up in Adelaide in 18, I'm going to butcher this, but like roughly 1870.

And him and his brother are like, fuck, what do we do now?

And they're from rural community in North Germany.

So what ended up happening is a lot of the German migrants moved up into South Australia

and Barossa and started farming.

Anyway, I just, I was reading this book and I was just so enamored by the story of like,

what a migrant used to have to go through to get to Australia and just love the story.

And so love the winery and whatever.

And anyway, Jeanine doing past life work, it comes to her.

She's like, you've been to Australia before, what do you mean?

And in my previous life, I was someone that traveled to Australia, lost a wife, lost a child

and was part of a community in Australia that there was a family of just women.

It was like three sisters or something and then all their children and the youngest child

was bullied by them and I, I became a pastor myself.

So I took on a religious role in the community and I befriended the little girl.

Anyway, in Jeanine's view, my eldest daughter is that same soul.

And we've been reincarnated into this life to live the father daughter of role that

we bonded over in that previous experience.

And you're just like, what the fuck, how is that?

And so one of the reasons I think I love that story so much about the German migrant and his brother

and the ordeals that they took to get here with I done it before, not on a plane,

but like somehow and my wife died previously.

And it's like, it's kind of where it's just so weird what catches your attention.

Like why would that be such an interesting story to me?

It's just a story, right?

But I'm there like really feeling it because maybe you've done it before.

And so there I am listening to read on this plane.

I'm like, what, Prince Jean read talking about?

This this stuff is mental and what resonated a lot was this idea of control.

And if I wanted to control someone, it's much easier to do that from a place of fear.

I'm scared of dying is like a major fear.

And this this reference to the Romans and the Roman centralized governance and the you know

the greatest empire to have ever been known to that point using the idea of the afterlife and

reincarnation just like squashing it, like using propaganda, using any way possible to be like,

that's not real. And reds obviously saying, well hang on, what were they doing in the in the

in the fucking pyramids? Hello? So that was cool.

Would you like me to tell the second story of my other daughter of like the freaky thing that

happened? Or do you want to jump in there?

But just just on that, there's so after I had that chat with Red.

That was my noster post essentially. Yes. So that's what I was that's what I was referencing

was that's through my daughter and how we've known each other before. Yeah, that's crazy.

And I you know, Red comes on and he starts talking about reincarnation and the the sarcophagus and

the pyramids being basically what would you call them like sensory deprivation tanks is what

we would call them now. And you know, making the Epsom salt bathwater from the raw materials that

were already there and mixing them together and putting people in there and that was used as a

way to communicate with the the other realms and reincarnation we talked about chatting with

the afterlife. And then that put me on to this book, a new science of heaven by Robert Temple,

which is great. You would lap this up. Okay, absolutely. I put Rob onto this book and he just,

I mean, he ripped through it. Yeah, okay, that's going straight on the red list.

There's a what's it called, Daniel? A new science of heaven. Okay, Robert Temple. And there's a

chapter in there about how this is, you know, it's been done like scientifically done and proven

and studies, obviously, you might have followed some of my stuff. He's called Robert Temple.

Robert Temple, yeah. Well, why would he have that surname in a right book about this kind of shit?

Yeah, I know. It's all there for you. And yeah, he was talking about how people have measured,

like literally weighed the scene and weighed the body just as it crosses over. You know, you

people have been bedside for deaths. Goodness knows how many millions of times, right? And

everyone's got a different story. Some people might see a little light. Others people feel,

some other people feel something. But scientists have actually proven that something does leave

the body at that point. And it's measurable in weight terms. So you'd love this chapter and the

rest of the world as well. So definitely. So that's when someone dies. Yes. There's a measurable

shift in the weight of the physical body. Yes. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I've only seen one

dead body in my life. And that was my father's when he died, whatever it was, 16, 17 years ago now.

And there is, there's just absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's nothing there left.

Does that make sense? Yeah. They're gone. And what you just said immediately made me think about that.

There's a serene look. They just, they're just the bodies there, but there's nothing there.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Oh, I'm obviously going to have to read that. Yeah. I've got a few more

for you as we, as we scroll through this conversation. Sure. But the, yeah, your next story.

This is, can we, can we start this one off with home birthing? Because I think that's something else

that a lot of people are, well, a lot of the listeners, I've had Katie to rush and come on before,

like we did a 100 maximalist podcast because she's doing this with her children. And my wife,

she saw something the other day, I'm going to butcher the quote, something along the lines of

birth should be natural with medical intervention, if needed, not medical procedure with the

result of a natural, you know, outcome at the very end. Like, you know, it's, we've had like

everything. It's just been flipped on its head. You and your wife, Lauren, I think,

Lauren, yeah, you were both births, home births. So we've got three kids now. Sorry.

They're five, five, three and one. Yeah, we've been, we've been very busy. Thankfully, they're all

now asleep. I was like, shit, I've got a podcast tonight. I've got to try and get them in bed early.

It's just that, like chaos period from like, hapus four to, can be like eight o'clock. It's just

crazy. Um, crazy fun. We, oh, yeah. And it's one of the, you'll look back on it. Or every day,

I get someone who's circus 60 come up to me and say, at some stage, you will miss this.

And one guy I remember in particular at the coffee shop recently, one child was up a tree.

The other one was, was, was trying to like poke the dog in the face. And the third one was like

crying on the floor or something. I don't know, but it was madness. And the guys like,

the one day you'll miss this. Yeah. Okay. And it helps you just ground a little bit because

you do get so stressed. You're like, dude, dude, dude, all this stuff going on. Like, whoa.

Um, so, yeah, so home birth. Okay. So this is like, I guess, my perspective as the male. And, um,

it all started because so we, we emigrated from London. My wife's Australian and I'm in

English. We're in London before moved to Melbourne when Losi was maybe three or four months pregnant.

And we got there 31st December 2019 and by March of 2020, the scammedemic had begun.

And it was a particularly difficult period in that we just didn't know what the hell was going on.

And I was just as bad as anyone where you're like actually watching the news trying to find out

what the fuck was happening. And it wasn't till quite a few months later that we

realized and Losi's well ahead of me on this in terms of like, this is a scam. This is so obviously

a fucking scam. What is going on right now? And without going down the whole COVID rabbit hole because

that's a whole another podcast in itself. But in Australia, they started bringing in all these

regulations around, um, hospital birth. And for example, they were saying that it was still,

it was still earlier than all the COVID jabs. They hadn't quite developed them by this stage.

So it was like, it was all about, you know, COVID zero policies and stop the spread and, you know,

way fucking mask and make sure you're two meters apart. And oh, by the way, the husband's not

allowed to come to the birth, things sweet. Like, what do you fucking mean? That's ridiculous.

And so, and then they changed it back to the can and they can't. It's like, okay, all this uncertainty

was hampering our process for trying to remain grounded and relaxed and bringing a baby into the

world. And as your first baby, so many unknowns, you just literally don't know what you're doing.

And eventually it's like, what would a home birth look like? And quite quickly, we were like,

let's do it. Like, this is obviously the better way of doing it because we know that we can start

to plan around it. And we had a house in Melbourne where we started arranging things. And so we came

across this amazing community of private midwives that, I mean, for their day job, they deliver babies.

I was just so blown away by this. It's such a beautiful experience, but also like high pressure

and intense. And that's their job. They get a call at three o'clock in the morning and they're up

and they go to someone's house and they deliver babies. And the older lady that we were working with,

she was like, probably knocking 70, she thousands of births, right? And we did something called

a shared care where we paid a private midwife, they would come to the house, do all the checkups,

they were booked in to deliver the babies, the baby. And we were also seeing an obstetrician,

who if she hit the fan was essentially on call in a hospital 12-minute drive from the house. And

that more traditional or conventional arrangement gave us the confidence. In particular, my wife

the confidence said, I'm going to have a crack at home first and I'm not fucking going there.

Anyway, and this is, I guess, the one amusing story that came out of the actual birth experience.

It started like Friday night, midnight, three o'clock in the Saturday afternoon, the baby's still not

born and my wife's getting tired, like really tired. And what the hell is this? I've been so relaxed

and confident, I'm going to have a home birth, no big deal. And suddenly I'm like, oh my god,

people die in birth. Like, what happens now? And I left the room. My one job was to pack the hospital

bag. And so I'm like running around the house panicking trying to find like some food and some

pajamas and some Christmas lights and all the shit that I was supposed to have done before that

hadn't done because I was so sure we're going to have a home birth. And the main midwife left

our bedroom to go and call the obstetrician and say, look, this isn't going as planned. The baby

hasn't come. The woman is getting too tired. We think we need to come in. And laws was left in the

bedroom with the second midwife who'd been very much playing second fiddle the whole day. And I was

then, you know, taking the dog out for a pee on the front at the front of the house going like,

shit, like people die in childbirth. I haven't packed the bag. Like actually freaking out. And

something shifted where she in her mind. She's like, I'm not getting to a hospital in this state.

You've got to be kidding me. She's like butt naked hands against the wall. Like trying to give

baby birth this baby. I can't get in a car. And the second midwife, she just connected to on an

energetic level way better than the first. It's like she didn't trust the first lady. The masculine

energy left the room. The woman that she didn't trust left the room. The second lady took control.

And within 45 minutes, this is how I remember it. Ruby was born. Boom in the bedroom at home. And so by

five o'clock on a Saturday afternoon, you've got your baby in your arms, you're in your own house,

you got your own bathroom, the center comes out. And it was fucking awesome. Like, oh my god, we just

did a home birth. We absolutely smashed it. Bring it on. It's possible. And when you start digging

into the data, like no one has a home birth. Like absolutely fucking no one. Now there's more in

the UK, but Australia is like basically no one. And so birth number two, it's like, well, of course,

we're going to do a home birth. Why wouldn't you? You can control your environment. It's your own home.

You know, you've got your baby, you can feed it, what you like. You can go and have a shower and you

want. You've got no random pun to just cruising into your room doing what you want. And on baby

number two, we had come across a lady called Rio Dempsey, who is a Australian nurse and midwife.

And she ran workshops around home birth. And to touch on what you mentioned before, she talks

very clearly about physiological birth. It's that's how it's done. The woman just gives birth.

Like that needs to be the priority. And there's a whole load of side effects that if you chop a

woman open and take a baby out, it's like, first of all, the woman themselves has got a massive

bit of healing to do. I mean, it's a full-on piece of surgery as Erin is not a casual thing.

But all of the, there's natural bacterias that a child collects on the way out of the womb

when birth naturally. So there's a whole ton of reasons why a physiological birth is a better

healthier process for both the woman and the baby. Then it's like the breastfeeding process. There's

a whole load of stuff we can go down as rabbit holes. But the baby number two, we didn't

raise workshop. And she took us through some of the numbers. And it's just extraordinary how

few people have have home births. But when you look at the risk of home birth, even though it's

a small number of the total baby's birth, the risks are actually in your favor. IE, there's no,

she called it the, it was the cascade of interventions. So when you enter a hospital environment,

you do not control the space. And the first thing they'll do is they'll offer you painkillers.

So the gas and a lot of us would openly say, if I'd been in a hospital, I would have fucking

had that shit straight away because you can. But that numbs the female body. And that's actually

counterproductive to giving birth. And if you have like an epidural, for example, like it,

it's that you can't feel anything. So how do you, how do you give birth? And then you've got

the four steps. And then you've got like, you know, there's all these different interventions

that can be used to like help you give birth. But is it helping? Or is it just someone getting

in the way of a natural process? And really was totally fired up about this subject. You can read

that book. She's a really interesting lady. But one of the reasons the C sections happen is

because even the hospital is the room itself is an intervention. Yes, the lights, the non-native

EMFs that you're around. You know, it's really simple question, Daniel. Yeah. If a, if a cat

wants to give birth, what does it do? It goes hide somewhere, doesn't it? Like under a bush or

it goes and sits under the fucking cupboard and has six kittens. We're mammals. Same shit.

But we go and put ourselves in these brightly lit places with different people fiddling with

your vagina. Like it is, it's not a place where you chill out and like just let go. And having seen

a woman give birth now three times, it is a powerful process. But it only works if they

fucking go for it. How do you do that in an environment when you're climbing up at just the moment

when you need to be opening? But the pain is extraordinary. But the natural birth, the recovery is

so fast. You think about how, how would a woman who's been chopped open run in a forest from a tiger

with a baby. They can barely walk. But a natural birth within a day, it's amazing how fast

the body returns. So there's just, there's lots of people aren't about, about birthing through the

process. But to get to the story about my second daughter Clio and the, what I shared with you on the

audio note, an alpha was also born home birth a year ago as well. Did you get better by the way?

Did you have the bag packed for number two and number two? I had, I had the bag, I think I had

to do it. Maybe I didn't even bother. I just, I just knew we were going to do it. What was so

shit, what shook me up so much though was that whole like, oh my god, it was, it was only 15 hours

into a labor. But I suddenly had to like, what if this goes wrong question? Like, man, you probably

should have thought about that before. Okay, this gets really fruity. So, okay, so my second daughter

was born again in Melbourne, different house, different neighborhood, home birth. And this one was

much more straightforward as a process. Different midwives, we decided to change midwives.

After the first experience that we had. And instead of being born like under stress, like four

o'clock in the afternoon exhausted, it like started pretty early in the morning and by, I think she's

born around one o'clock, had a basically a morning labor and the baby was born. And it wasn't to say

that it wasn't hard, absolutely it was, but it just, number one was much more intense as a labor

process. But about eight weeks into her life, my wife says to me, I can't, I can't handle this.

I just, I do not understand what's wrong with this baby. And I was guilty of being,

perhaps not involved enough and also looking after the other child. So I didn't just see as much.

But essentially, if she wasn't asleep or she wasn't feeding on the boot, she was hysterically

crying, crying. And not like, I'm upset, like blood curdling screams. And we just couldn't settle

this baby. And suddenly you're going down all of these different, like, you know, I joked

after it's like, as an entrepreneur, a brilliant place to sell shit, it's to stress newborn parents

because you will buy anything. Like, I've got to solve this problem. And we were saying, for example,

there's this chiropractor that we're friends with. He was helpful. But we couldn't put the baby

in a car seat because she was just scream and scream and scream. So you couldn't drive anywhere.

So she was okay in a, in a, in a prayer. So we put her in the prayer and take public transport

to the chiropractor that took three times longer just to not have her scream. It was that

like psychologically jarring. And we'd barely get any sleep overnight, right? You'd sleep with it

for a bit and maybe an hour later, wake up and scream again. And so you're getting more and more

depleted as parents, like, you know, you're not sleeping enough. And all of the smallest things

become much harder to deal with. And we ended up speaking with a lady, this is kind of quite

casual thing. It's like, oh, the baby's got collic. So maybe it's something to do with the mother's

diet and the breast milk. And so you're like cutting out every single fucking ingredient you can

imagine. And she was then teaching us about these different like movements we could use to like

bounce the baby up and down on the shoulder and that pan. All these different things you're trying to

do. And none of it fucking works. And it got to the stage with this woman's like, you've got to

shove something up its ass and try and make it shit itself to, you know, it's like, like, you know,

you can get those, I can't remember the right phrase for them, but like, um, deposit trees?

Essentially, yeah, deposit trees. Yeah. So really, like, intervention. It's like,

it's like an eight week old baby. What do you mean? That can't be right. I was there ready to try.

And I was like, no, stop, stop. I was just so desperate to try and solve the problem.

And what work was the car prank to do in kind of cranial work? Well, the car practice was helping

he actually, the main help is he'd had four sons. And he was just like, guys, you're fucking wrecked.

So just give me the baby. And he could just calm the baby down.

And he showed us a couple of techniques for like helping to soothe it and stuff,

which is actually far more parenting than it was. Chiropractic work. And he was just checking

her over to see the skull and different, you know, skeletal stuff. But, um, and he specialises

in babies as well. Him and his wife, they're really brilliant. God, well, Dr. Simon Floriani,

he's got some awesome stuff online with his wife Jan as well.

Um, and yes, it what happened is on a, I feel like it was a Friday. I was with Cleo and

try to put it asleep during the daytime. And I just, I got this really, it's funny. I've told

this story today. I've got some friends coming through town at the moment. I just got this

really intense feeling. It's like, oh, I need to, I had her on my arm trying to get us, I need to

hold her back. She was here. It's tiny, right? Not even my, I think to my arm. And I just got this

building sense of like, oh, I'm going to say something. And I started talking and I started

just saying the same thing over and over again, which you need to, you need to leave, you need to

leave now, you need to leave. And even now my, my, my hair's going off of my neck. And

and something just changed. I got this huge rush of energy through my body. Like I was on fire.

And the babies went limp in my arm and just fell asleep. And I, I put her in the car and I can't

make some of that loss. You never guess what just happened. But I was, I was like shouting at

something. I don't know. It was fucking spooky. And that night we had the worst night of the

fucking lot. And one of the angles that was been researching was nutrition. And one of the nutrition

she'd spoken to was a born again Christian and was talking about the devil. And you need to get

closer to Christ. And I wasn't ready for that at all at the time. And that night,

it was like in the bed, and I'm trying to bounce this baby up and down, she's shouting, so just

Jesus save us. I'm like, I'm not fucking saying that. That's a fucking work. And anyway, yeah,

just the feedback or the reverb from what I'd done at the lunchtime sleep to then the night time

was like, I just made that much worse. What the hell is going on? Any of one of our friends

shout out to Amanda. She's an amazing acupuncturist. She had done a retreat or had recently come into

contact as a customer of a company, a guy called Jason Parks. And Jason is an energy healer

and spiritual mentor. And I've subsequently got to know Jason really, really well. He's been

mentoring me the last year, but this is the first time we came across him. And so Sunday lunchtime,

we take a phone call from this random dude. And it's just a phone call, a lot of video call,

nothing. And we explain to him what we've been experiencing. He's like, okay, let me see what I

can find. And he just, everything goes quiet. And he just disappears into this meditation.

And then he comes back and he's like, well, I can see the problem here is an elemental spirit.

Like, what? Like, yes, it's attached itself at birth to your daughter. And it's got it's

it's like clamped onto her back because she was always arching, like arching, like in pain.

And his explanation was like spirits are everywhere and you get different types. And an

elemental spirit in this instance was disturbed about 60 meters underground when the property

that we were in at the time, there was some construction work and it wasn't evil or angry

necessarily, but just needed to be heard. And Jason was able to placate the spirit. And

from that phone call onwards, we had a newborn baby. Yeah, I told you it was greasy.

And what was so extraordinary about it was I physically experienced that.

And I cannot say it wasn't true. Now, his explanation for what was there was the elemental spirit.

Like, maybe you can question that, but I physically saw a child in blood curdling frustration.

Relax. And she just started improving hugely. And she's now three and a bit years old. And,

you know, this is a crazy story. And I, what the fuck? What is what is supernatural?

What is non physical? What the hell's going on out there? What do we not know? And yeah, I mean,

what a wild ride being a parent is. So I was I'm a born again pastor and my my eldest daughter and I

have lived a previous life together. And my second daughter, you know, I learned about spirits

for the first time. What the hell? Wild, right? So yeah. And I've got I've since got to know Jason

really well from that phone call. And he, he went and trained with the Shaolin monk in China,

very advanced martial artist and meditator. And he comes across all sorts of stuff. And he does

one-on-one consults and you can go to him with whatever problems you have and he'll work through it.

But it really makes you think about like wisdom. And, you know, like, what is a kung fu movie?

What's a great film? But like, what were those guys doing? Well, they were they were able to

perform at elite level in a way that no one else could do. Why? Wisdom. And they lived in temples.

What other shit do they know that we don't know? And there's knowledge out there that isn't online.

You can't find it, right? So yeah, I mean, take it wherever you want, but that was just,

you know, a couple of extraordinary experiences. That's a child number three. Everything just plain

sailing. John number three boy. And thus far, no, no specific spiritual experience, mainly like

broken leg, broken toe, you know, other more practical things that have to be dealt with.

General boy stuff, I suppose. Yeah. Oh, mate. What? Yeah.

And that's five years of incredible experiences. And the rabbit holes that you find yourself in.

I know you've been sharing that you've been down this rabbit hole as well, Bo Shampel Paster.

The terrain. Yeah, terrain and germ. Yeah, absolutely huge topic.

Why? Why? Why did you go there? What was the was anything? What pushed you in that direction?

My wife. 100% my wife. So we were driving through Melbourne. And she was like, oh, well,

you know, this is kind of along the lines of that stuff that they were talking about all those years

ago to do a germ theory versus terrain theory. I was like, oh, yeah, what was that? And then, you

know, off you go. So some things just don't make sense. I had a really interesting guy on my

podcast called Dan Oster Maham, which if you get the chance to have a listen dancer, an emergency

doctor in a state. And he's just, you know, he's posting on Noster, which basically says it all right.

You know, he's asking all the all the great questions like, you know, what is health and what is

medicine and who are all these people organizing this stuff. And when I was posting about this,

he reacted to a bunch of things. We had this fascinating conversation. He's the person to go and talk

to to understand where this research currently is at. But essentially, the the base layer for

virology is built on absolute bullshit. And the discussion goes all the way back to the 1800s

and a couple of French scientists in competition with each other trying to prove what was true or

not true. And Louis Pasteur is the guy that actually came up with the idea of pasteurization. And

it was commercial conflict versus sane sense. And commercial one, because hey, they make money.

And so the very foundation of germ theory versus terrain theory is that you don't catch a cold.

You don't catch anything. Like if your terrain is healthy and as as what's the right way to say

and your vitality level is as high as possible and you are a happy healthy person, you're not going

to get sick. And by terrain, you're talking about like your immediate surrounds as well as

the body. I'm talking more about the state of your body. Right. So and then again, this is just my

read on this. I'm no doctor or scientist. I'm just someone trying to live the happiest healthy life.

And basically, it's very empowering because it's actually down to the user, down to the individual.

You make good doctor choices, you make good lifestyle choices, you work out all the time,

you're going to be totally fine. And like you can walk past the sickest person in the world and

you're not going to get it. But the germ theory suggests that germs are moving around and you can

be like you can catch something off someone. And so what Dan was specifically looking into was

some recent research been done in France where they basically they put these viruses into

a petri dish. And the virus will make a cell react in a certain way. And they basically don't have a

test. What's the right way of saying it? There is no, when they do the testing, they don't have a test

without anything in it. And they also lower the temperature of it. So it's like if you just lower

the temperature of a cell, what happens to it? But the same thing is what they're looking at when

the virus gets put in there. So we're hang on, that means that the virus doesn't do that. It's just

the degradation of the cell from the temperature. What does that mean? Well, that means that basically

every single virus that anyone's ever said that they've actually managed to number one to

they call it isolating. Like COVID-19 has never been isolated. No, no one's ever actually got it

in one place. I mean, like, yeah, we've got it here. And so again, very high level kind of like

non-expert answer, but the ramification is very cool, which is, you know, if you feed your children

the right food and you supplement their diet correctly, the only time they're going to get sick

is when they're not at optimal health. And so, and we've had this problem many times where you

send your kids into a group environment. We're homeschooling, but we still use group environment.

Practices, you know, they might, my daughter goes to something called the circus arts. They do

like trapeze stuff or whatever. Well, you go to the bush school and they run around on the beach

and make campfire. So they go to the farm and they, you know, tend to be farmers or whatever.

There's always other children around. And you can't stop that. That's real life. And sometimes

they'll go for weeks and weeks and weeks and they'll be totally fine. And suddenly the whole house is sick.

And I often notice that it's actually more relative to my own stress levels. Maybe like,

have we traveled somewhere that's quite a stressful process? Everyone's on higher alert. Your terrain

might not be as relaxed and as relaxed and as strong as usual. So yeah, it's a big old rabbit hole,

which, you know, how many times you're going to hospital? It's like, ah, wash your hands.

Okay. Why? And they point to all of these different things in history where they'll say,

oh, well, that was the moment when everyone was able to like start washing their hands and everyone

got cleaner. So, okay, well, there's that true. A very recent example is we've had problems

with, so okay, the moment we are in Byron Bay, really beautiful place on the east coast of Australia,

tropical climate. So humidity levels get right up 60, 70%, 28 to 35 degrees, and there's mosquitoes

everywhere. And guess what? They're itchy and the kids go and they edge their ankles and suddenly

you've got an infection mosquito bite. And there is a bacterial infection called impotago,

or more commonly known as school sores, that fucking loves it. And so you can go swimming,

swimming pool, you go hang out with kids past you, you go to bush school, and one of the kids might

have school sores. And before you know, like a bunch of them all pick it up. Why would one of my

children get in? But the other two don't. Like serious question, and that happened. So in December,

one of my kids had school sores all over her, but the other two didn't have them. And we were

doing this crazy thing, like stopping all the towels out and not bathing them in the same place,

and making sure that they had full length clothes on the whole time so you couldn't touch them,

you know, because they scratched these infected bites, and then they end up putting on their face,

and they get them all over their face, and whatever. But it's like why wouldn't, like you tell me

if this thing travels, why haven't the other two got it? They're literally living in the same house.

Why haven't I got it? So that very simple question shakes the entire thesis behind virology. And if

you were to do that, the entire vaccine business is bullshit, which you know, is the pharmaceutical

industry essentially. And that's a whole nother rabbit hole of like how it's constructed and how they

have no, like it's just it's mental, right? It's completely wrapped up in modern government, you know,

recommended vaccine schedules. You can't get into the kindergarten here. They have a rule called

no jab, no play. That's one of the reasons we started doing homeschool was because if you question

any of their vaccinations for infants, then you don't get public school funding. Okay, cool. Talk

about a carrot versus a fuck off stick. You know, it's like, yep, you're not getting any money

of us from the free kindergarten system that's set up, which your tax dollars pay for because you

haven't done the medical stuff that we want you to do. And the first thing that the government does

when these kids turn out, check the vaccine records. Not are the parents married? Are they okay?

You know, are they sunburned? Like are they happy? Have they got some friends? No, no. Are you up

today on our vaccine schedule? And that's a whole nother thing of that. What the hell? Like really,

what the fuck is going on? Like why are there so many autistic kids? Why? And I met an autistic boy

in a playground not long ago. And the mum was like, yeah, his name is Jack. And he was,

we was walking around with an iPad in the playground. I was like, what, why would a child have an

iPad in the playground? And then I realized that he was sick. And then I spoke with the mum. And

it's like, yeah, the day after his M and Marja, he came like that. And there then, like bullied out

of society. This is the really horrible thing is the, the, the, they are all ghastlet. I don't know,

it can't be that. It must be something else. What we feeding them that day, you know. And

that's actually something that really can winds me up because it's just, it's completely unnecessary

to pump all these toxins into a child's body for them to be quote, quote, healthy by the age of 12.

It's insane, mate. And you know, before 2020, 2021, I suppose, before they started pushing all

that stuff, we were just in normal land over here, you know, all the kids that had that stuff touch

wood that, I don't know, I just pray they all got saline solutions. Who knows? Like, you know,

I'm talking about like, you can't get backwards. You can't get backwards. And you think you're doing

the right thing at the time when you are ghastlet as a parent and by the, the trained, what's the,

the pediatrician who is just telling you, like, you know, here's the schedule, bring them back,

booking you in. It is just absolute insanity. And then when you learn about pastor and, uh,

they shop and you learn about based shops, opposing theory and opposing hypothesis. And how he was

basically shut down and how pastor was lifted up by certain people and made the grandfather of

microbiology, which I think is what says on his, you know, even if it's too, is it? Yeah, it's

crazy. Uh, but I guess what prisoners are so much there, they're done is that it's that, it's

that pattern recognition that you start to pick up. This is what a good investor is, right? It's

it's pattern recognition. But the next time my assets are 60% higher, I'll know what to do

because it's pattern recognition and not what I did last time, right? But, oh, what a surprise.

250 years ago, is it even that long ago, 18, 18, 18, 18, no, 150 years ago, commercial interest

drove the outcome of this debate. What a fucking surprise.

Right. Sorry, guys. No, actually, I want to just, I want to steer clear of your recommended

medication and I will stick to taking the horse tranquilizer. Thanks very much.

Cost nothing proves to work. Oh, no, you're now, you know, you're going to kill everyone's

grandma because you did that. What are you talking about? I've been acting, it worked and it cost

nothing. Right? It's crazy, mate. There's another book you'd love, Murder by Injection,

which was written by Eustace Mullins, who was also the owner of the secrets of the Federal Reserve.

Yeah, I haven't read any of his books yet. I need to get around to that.

Yeah. So, Eustace goes through like the whole, I mean, he'll go through the, he's,

he goes through so much deep research and gets to receipts. That's the brilliant thing about,

about his research. And he was writing this all back in the 50s. The Federal Reserve, but

obviously the, the vaccination, the Murder by Injection, that came later.

But yeah, the, the vaccination schedule, I can't even call them that anymore, the jab schedules.

Yeah, it's so, I can't ask you. Do you think, do you think that it is a concerted euthanasia process?

Very well. As you can measure the right words, like, are they, is it actually a process by which

human beings are being tricked into killing their children

for the greater good or however they might do it, or, or is it a, a horrible set of incentives

that someone makes money and that's why it exists? I'm really struggling with this whole idea of

like, they do this stuff. You know what I mean? It's like, whoa, who? Yeah. I know. Tell me who

and explain to me why. But, you know, like, then either then there you are on the plane and everyone's

fucking watching Netflix travel and red and Daniel Prince are talking about reincarnation and the

fucking ferros. I'm probably not the same way. Right now.

Yes. So, to answer your question, always follow the money, right, and follow the incentives. And

we know the commercial interests are hugely at play here and the, the big pharmaceuticals.

And you can trace, trace that all the way back to the flexing report and the rise of,

yeah, the Rockefeller medical kind of empire.

Social engineering is a play for sure. Eugenics is a play.

It's Eugenics the world I met, not Euthanasia. Right. Eugenics is the active

calling of the population essentially. Yeah, basically it's population control.

Yeah. Wow. And the downstream, you know, I remember what book is I started reading and this

may even be one of the ones I see you. But then we're dealing with I think as well,

Jacob, the unintended consequences of these things, which, you know, nobody knows,

look how they dress this stuff up as well, like sits sudden infant deaths syndrome. Like it's

so disgusting. Yes, lighting is so absolutely disgusting.

When he motor by injection, I've got it here waiting to read. I haven't read it yet.

Yeah, fuck is this book I'm thinking of?

And the book I've started, I'm wrong. What is it, sorry?

Rockefeller controlling game. Yeah, by I started reading it. Yeah. And I just was so fucking

depressed. Yeah, it's about very quickly. It's like, you know, third, fourth generation of,

you know, the richest oil guy in the world. And they are setting up all of these non-profits

that are helping dictate public policy and you know, like the climate change movement has come

out of an oil family for generations. I mean, it's just like, what the fuck? It was almost just

too depressing. It's a bad one. I've read it. It's, yeah, it includes everything.

Try lateral commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, all of this, you know, the UN,

everything, all of this philanthropic kind of charities that they set up. It's, it's viral,

like, yeah. And it's funny, isn't it? It's like, it is, it is kind of like a movie.

Like if you were going to set up a front for something, you'd call it something like

the United Nations. It's literally called that, you know. I remember when I moved to Singapore,

the Ministry of Manpower was one of the departments that they had. And I always thought that was like

a real like dystopian name, but that's what it actually is. And you know, the World Bank.

No, not the World Bank. Actually, someone's printing press through which they force nations with

stuff they want to take on large debt with psychotic dictators that happily pull for their own

country in exchange for a fat check. The World Bank. Like, it's laughable, isn't it? When you

really start to think about it, it's someone who's so conditioned, this is the school thing, right?

This is what school actually does is you're so used to the good guy. Oh, the United Nations,

the good guys, is it? I mean, this is kind of what Bitcoin does, isn't it? You know, you get,

you get a bit more cantankerous and in some ways frustrated because it's like, what,

what's the point of all of this? And then it's actually do not focus on what you can control because

that is just stuff that's just completely above your pay grade and it's just not even worth wasting

time about. If some freak in the United Nations wants to talk about killing people with jabs,

go for it. My kids won't be having them. I'll be schooling them at home. I'll be using independent

money and I'll do what the fuck I want. Cheers. And other one, as you could get too depressed.

The way I kind of thought about it in the end, mate, because I like you, you know, I was delving

into these topics and I wanted to, you know, I was sick and tired of being lied to. I wanted to

understand more and the more you keep delving, the darker it gets. And I decided, you know what,

you can't play 4D chess in your head with a psychopath you have never met. Like you are

correct. That is the absolute highway to hell. So like you concentrate on your family, concentrate

on money, like real money in Bitcoin, opting out of systems that you are no longer serving you

or, you know, whether that's health, in your case, you've done that with the home birthing,

you made your decisions, you're not going to use their toxic farm pseudicals. Same thing with

education, opt out of that system, that same thing with the money, opt out of the monetary system.

And live your life as best you can and stay out of the firing line as much as you can.

It would actually be an interesting one when you talked about, you know, the darkness that

started kind of creeping in as you were looking at these things and searching for quote, quote, truth.

To put that through a similar AI process, like what I just did around like, oh my god, price

is just created. I've got graphics commitments. I've got lifestyle requirements. I am not.

I'm freaking out. What do I do? You could do something very similar and do it to like four or

five different ones and see what comes back because it's probably going to give you similar advice

to what we've already discussed. Essentially like, you're worrying about something you can't control.

If you're worried about privacy, I really like maple. I don't know if you ever come across maple,

but I had Mark on my podcast recently and he's, it's a privacy-focused AI. So some of these AI

models are open source and therefore you can build products on top of that which protects the user

data. So obviously, we need to type this stuff into chat to you. Like, where's it going,

who's storing it? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I always use it for a little while. I wonder

if Roots there is still around. The idea being, the idea being that you would pay a few sats

to Roots there and then you would ask it the question and then it would go out and

collate the answers from different sources and then bring it back to you. But

okay, that's my high level. And my guess, like technologically as we'll see more stuff at that

popper and equally the cost of hosting your own AI will fall. Because actually, I don't want to be

talking to Sam Altman. That guy is like off the radar sass. He's off the Richter. Yeah,

what a fucking weirdo. And Sark, like these guys, I just would never trust them ever.

And that's okay. Like, you can still use their tools, just beware what you're doing.

But what would be amazing is to have the the computing infrastructure yourself.

So how quickly this will happen, I don't know. But if you were to put 20 grand into some hardware,

you could probably build a pretty good AI of your own. I was chatting not long ago with a guy

called Mike Hardcastle. We come across Mike on Noster. No, no, he's based in the UK actually.

Mike was talking about the different costing options for building your own AI.

Because obviously, the privacy is a big problem. If you think about

how easily Google have seeped into every part of your digital life, they have your email,

they have your Google sheets, they've got your Google docs. And if you're on the free Gmail package,

you just have to spend a few moments researching the small print and

they clearly said they've got your calendar, you know, exactly where you are. You have point.

It wouldn't take it wouldn't take long to fuck you up if they wanted to.

All of this sensitive personal information is sitting on a cloud that Google owns and you

happen to be leasing off them for a very small fee, frankly, or for free. But if it's free,

then we all know you're the user, you're the product. So if you're able to, and this is a rabbit

hole, I haven't fully gone down, but I would love to at some point. Now I've bought a house I can

make more long term decisions because previously we would basically all in on Bitcoin,

which worked brilliantly in some areas. But this is another big, big lesson that I actually

really learned last year and I was trying to solve. But on the hierarchy of needs, food and

shelter at the very, very, very first level. And so when I started the process, I had only one child.

A few years later, I had three children. We had no fixed permanent address, no rid of state of

our own. We had Bitcoin that had done really well. But what is wealth? It's just a number on a

piece of paper in some ways. If you don't have real world assets that you can use, then it became

extremely stressful, renting properties. I packed up 17 times over three and a half years,

going from long term rental into Airbnb, Airbnb, Airbnb, trip for a bit, Airbnb, Airbnb,

Airbnb, long rental, Airbnb, it was brutal. Where am I going with all this? Yeah, I would love to

set it up. One of those start nine servers and like photographs, contact lists, hosted all

yourself, maybe have a couple of BitX miners pumping away. Who knows? But part of that hardware rig

in your own house could be an LLM that you run and you feed with whatever you want to put in there.

And if I specifically think back to kind of where this all started, which is where my father died,

all the intellectual capital he had on the day he died,

disappeared with him, except for what he was able to transfer to me in the first 20 years of my life.

And his assets remained of which I inherited some and so I became an investor. And I've spent 15

years figuring out like, how do you keep your stuff? And I made a ton of mistakes. Don't get me wrong.

By no means the finished product. And this bear market's teaching me a bunch more stuff that I

thought that I, you know, had a better handle on and didn't. But if you could build a

an AI that a family owns and that that information is yours, you can put in it what you want.

And all that information is it's kind of like campfire stories on steroids.

If you think about how wisdom has been passed from generation to generation before,

it's word of mouth. And obviously when books were created that made a big difference in

libraries and the internet is again changing everything. And then now now you have a financial advisor,

mentor, spiritual guru for 20 bucks a month in your pocket, anywhere in the world,

any time that you can pay for with independent money. Bitcoin, it's crazy what's happened.

And it's actually when you think about it through that lens like deflation is everywhere except for

in the money. So hang on why the price is going up. That doesn't make sense. So in some ways what's

going on right now I think is like Bitcoin has sniffed out a massive fucking problem. And global

markets are about to get absolutely horrendous. Everyone's got their money wrapped up in the

magnificent seven. They're using it as a savings tool and no one's pumped any money out.

But they still owe shit loads of money and interest. So at some point the big print is coming

to quote Larry LePardt. At some point it's coming, but it hasn't happened. And I think we're

running for a very, very rocky like two, three, four months where it's not just going to be Bitcoin

that's taking a dive. It's going to be a bunch of macro assets where everyone's like we don't know

what's going on. And it's because we're all drunk. We're drunk with this fake money. No one knows

what it does. No one knows what it means. You can't price anything. No one's got clue what real value is.

Just look at the houses that get built. They're a doctor. They've fallen to pieces in a few years.

And so yeah, I don't know how I've gone to that rant, but the process of having an in-house AI

would it have made, yeah, it would have made my father's death easier from a practical perspective.

Because you've got this wisdom that you can just tap into.

So yeah, we'll see if that's where the world goes, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's

what people start doing. Very interesting, mate. I want to bring it back to education because I know

that's a topic that really interests you, obviously myself as well. Looking forward to that

rip with with Red Tail Hawk that you guys are going to do. I didn't want that. That's what actually

our first episode was about learning how you learn. I was, and again, these things happen for a reason.

I was gifted this book by my daughter because her, she plays on a football team and the captain of

her football team, her father wrote a book and they have that in common. My daughter's father,

me wrote a book as well. And so she knew I'd love it, but again, it's one of these dark, dark.

It's called Stiff Up a Lip by Alex. This is what he texted me about. I haven't yet read it.

Yeah, it's on my Kindle, ready to go. The subtitle is Secrets, Crimes, and the schooling of a ruling

class. So if anybody was in any doubt, even after the Epstein files, if you're still in any doubt

at all, that our governments are run by psychopathic, and they groomed this way, by the way,

through the boarding school system, especially in the United Kingdom. So I'm talking specific

about the UK. I know boarding isn't so prevalent in perhaps Australia or America.

I boarded from the edge of eight to 18, so I'm very, very familiar with that.

This book is going to blow you away, man. Wow. What school? I wonder if it was even mentioned in here.

So the school I went to from the edge of eight to 13 was called Sandroyd, which is in Wiltshire,

and then 13 to 18 was a place where Brianston, which is in North Dorset.

So Alex himself went to, well, ended up at Eton, but went to a prep school. I can't remember

what the name of the prep school was, but he basically in Gabel Marte would tell you exactly

the same here. So it would well-brinden. The minute you drop off a seven or eight-year-old

boy or girl at a boarding school, you've created the trauma of separation trauma, separation anxiety.

Yep. And then you walk as that young man, I mean, I don't need to tell you, you've actually done

it into this institution that is full of complete strangers. And back in these days, when he was

going to the boarding schools in the 60s and 70s, graduation and corporal punishment was an absolute

no problem at all, like getting the whip, getting the cane. But then he starts going into the darker

stuff as well that was happening. A lot of it was, you know, the boys would be, you know,

cuddling up to each other in bed, purely because that's the only way that they could

feel a coat. And eight-year-old boy, not being near its mother, is, you know, again, you've got

that trauma there. And you've got a lot of unsolved trauma in the back of your mind. But what happens

is a lot of these guys, they get empathy beaten out of them completely. And they'll be totally

unempathetic by the age, by middle teens. And then when they go on to become, you know, the

discolors of eternal wherever else that they might go to, that's where we get our judges from.

That's where we get our, uh, the, the, the president-

It doesn't allow.

Prime ministers, I couldn't think, that's where we get our politicians from.

You know, wow, this is um, crazy when you see it. And then you look at our past politicians are

here in the UK. And they've all been through this, right? You know, Churchill famously.

He's quoted in the book, uh, Johnson, Sunack, Cameron Blair, Brown. Wow.

This seems to be a very interesting, it's actually was really making me quite emotional.

This thing to talk about that. And being being eight years old and being dropped by

your parents at place and left there is fucked up. And what's so crazy is it's only now that I'm

really thinking about that. So it was interesting when I first moved to Australia about six years ago

now. I did a fair bit of work with a psychologist. And the therapy took me to a place I never expected.

But I, I didn't think of myself as an anxious person. But at that time, and this is around COVID,

I was definitely struggling with anxiety. I was drinking too much to like, I would drink like

three or four days. And I mean, I don't mean like, um, drunk all day, but like Thursday. I

have drink on a Thursday and, you know, Saturday, Sunday, still drinking, you know, like in the

afternoon or whatever. And I realized that I was fucking exhausted. And the booze was masking the

tiredness and also the anxiety. And one of the reasons that I was struggling with that was from

the experience of trying to always impress my family. Because I thought that was the way to get

accepted back by them. And it is a abandonment reverb where as an eight-year-old,

what the fuck has just happened? I must have done something wrong to be kicked out of the family

home. Where is my mom? Where is my dad? And my wife and I spoke about this relatively recently.

This is before mobile phones. I was sent to, as an eight-year-old, would have been 1990, 1998, 1996.

I was sent to school. And maybe once a week, you'd be allowed into a phone box to like call your

home. And even though there were a 20-minute drive away, which is actually pretty close,

some people like three hours away, some people had parents working the front office. They were like

literally living the other side of the world. I would see them potentially at sport games.

So I used to play a lot of sport. And one of the reasons I like playing sport was because I thought

my parents would come and watch. You want their attention. Why have I been kicked out? And it's

fascinating. Suddenly in my 30s, I was questioning like, well, hang on a second. Was that actually

a beneficial experience? And of course, the pushbag is like, what the fuck? Why do you leave me here?

Oh, well, it's for your best interest, mate. We're paying for it. That's like the best education

you can get. Shut the fuck up. AKA, your emotions don't matter. And that breeds a sense of,

well, I'm fine. I'm fine. And then you throw into the mix, well, actually some of the most

I'm not going to swear to aggressively, but some of the most savage fuckers are young boys.

And I don't remember a time where I ever shared a bed with a boy from fear.

But I remember two Spanish boys came over. Brothers. They got sent to learn English and stuck at

our school. Poor, poor, poor guys. I can't even remember their names now. They would share a bed.

The brothers, because they were fucking petrified. Like, they didn't really speak English, right?

And they were just left in this place. In terms of like the sexual connotations of what you're

talking about with British boarding school, I never experienced anything myself that was, and thankfully,

you know, like boy pedophilia type stuff. But there were rumours, strong rumours of like previous

headmasters. There was a common joke that, you know, you get called into this guy's room and you

get given the the red hot poker. I mean, it was like, that's not funny. But everyone apparently

thought it was like kind of funny. Hoping mechanism. Yeah. Well, exactly. You're coping. Yeah.

So, and you're right about that idea of like where

yeah. Even to this day, some of my best friends from boarding school from that period of my life.

But we didn't have parents. We had each other. So you had this extraordinary strong bond and you

got through it. And I won't mention their names. I'll never be listening to this. But one of my

Aussie mates came to our wedding and my friend was opening up in a circle of maybe four guys about

actually how difficult he found boarding school. And he'd been doing some therapy work. And it

was really helping. And he finished his whole story. And my other friend just turned on fucking

pussy. And he was like one of those classic stories where it's, it's an amusing joke. But like

jokes on the guy that made that shitty joke at the end because he doesn't feel anything. He cannot

feel. And that same guy with your own jokes about the fact that he can't hug. You give him a hug

and they give this like awkward pat thing. But dude, I'm your friend. You can hug me. It's okay.

And these people go on to be business leaders, government officials. I actually was at the wedding

of Churchill's granddaughter in the basement of the House of Parliament. One of my mates from

uni married her. So I know these kind of characters in that sense. And it was an amazing experience

being able to do that in black tie and the fucking House of Parliament. How unbelievably cool is that?

But at the same time, yeah, what a system. It's for your own good boy. Get back there.

And what does that teach someone? And so Gabel Marte is a great example of this where

it's trauma. And that trauma you carry with you for your life. And the ramifications of that is

people make poor decisions, poor choices. Yet they're apparently leaders. So, well, didn't expect

to go there tonight. Interesting. When I was reading this book, I know I'd heard you talk about,

or we talked about in past podcasts about your boarding school experience. And I remember there's

a few other big pointers out there as well. Freddie knew actually last time I was out

having dinner with him. He mentioned this book. He said, oh, there's a book out there. I really

need to get my hands on. And it's just so happens to turn up in mind. So another like little bit

of synchronicity there as well. You know, you know, these weird things happen. But yeah,

for anybody that wants to delve into Gabel Marte's work around that, it's called, hold onto your kids

is the best book to look at that. And especially those that are considering homeschooling as well,

because that he delves into not just boarding school, but any school in general. And it's getting

even public school now. That's the other thing, right? The Orwellian nature of calling a private

school or public school in the United Kingdom. That's just so weird. It's a charity. And that's

how they function. Yeah. So even Marte would say just sending your kid to like a state school at

the age of four or five, whatever it is, it's the same sense of traumatic separation at the school

gate right there at that moment, because you can't explain to little Johnny. They couldn't explain

to little Jay. They might have told you for a year in advance. So calm your eighth birthday.

A few months after that, you're going to be going to like big boy school or whatever. And you're

going to get you're going to live there with other friends. You're going to make great fun. Or maybe

they didn't like, you know, but even if they did, you still can't as an eight year old.

You can't rationalize it. You can't take that in until the day comes where you pull up on the

gravel and the door opens. And oh, yeah, your bag's packed in the boot. Like this is it now,

some like it's it's mad, completely mad. And the weird thing that Renton talks about in the book is

most parents will redo it to their own children. Come at the time. Yeah, the pattern repeats.

Yeah, it's like a shared trauma. You know, I was fine. So you'll be fine. Exactly. Really?

Yeah, and to put into context as well, the decision making that one does now. And this is why

I've always loved podcasting the most is why do people do things? And learning from them for that.

That makes sense. And so right now, I've got three children of my own. What makes the most sense?

And I never expected to live in Australia. I made this joke many times, but Australia to me was like

the wallabies who England could never be. Fosters who had an amusing beer advert, but, you know,

no one ever drank it. Doods with flip flops on and board shorts in full of them in the middle of

winter and maybe a gap is student. You didn't go there. You've missed home and away in neighbours.

I know. Oh, yeah. Of course. And that too. And here I am married to an Aussie living in Australia and

got three Aussie kids. And you know, you just never pick these things, right? But the,

oh, I can't remember where I was going with that. Yeah. And so the idea that I'd be living in Australia

homeschooling my children is not what the system taught me. That's for sure. The system was repeat.

You know, get a job, pay tax, make sure you get enough money to send them back to the same

institution that you went to before. If you managed to do that, you're successful. So, okay.

What are the benefits of it? And, you know, we've already covered many of the anglers,

they're like, well, actually, maybe they're not quite as good as what you thought. But most

importance is this idea of love and self-connection and self-worth. And if you are separated from

the family unit in such, like literally like severed left, I haven't been paraded for 30 years at

this stage. You know, when my wife and I were looking into this specifically, to our understanding,

and I think I would say this too, the most important period of time in child's life is the first

seven years. And really the most important thing in those seven years is primary care or contact.

So the more time that you as the parents can spend with your kids until the age of seven,

the better. Very, very simple. So even people that, you know, I know in some case, people do this

by choice. In some cases, in some ways, they do this because they feel they have to. But leaving an

18-month-old child at a nursery or daycare center and going to work for seven or eight hours,

fuck that. Like, are you mental? That's not normal. And even, you know, five-year-olds spending

five days a week from eight o'clock in the morning until three o'clock in the afternoon in uniform

in a room without a parent. Like, and it's been interesting because even some people that we feel

like we've met along the parenting journey that we have similar feelings to, or similar thought

processes to, they're just sending their kids to the local government school. That's because it's

easy, you know, and everyone does it. And that's okay. That's their choice. You know, I'm not going to

shame them or judge them for it. It's absolutely up to them. But what's the best choice for us?

And our decision has been home school. And in this instance, what does that actually look like? Well,

they're five, three and one. I don't sit down and coach them algebra. Like, we might go to the beach,

we might go to the playground, we might go to the cafe and get a baby chino and a ham cheese

we might have an argument over the iPad. I might lose my shit at like five thirty because I'm so

fucking over it. And I finally get them in bed and I do a podcast. You know, it's not rocket science.

But yeah, I mean, things that concern me about the state-funded education today that are just

really obvious red flags. It's like, is it a boy or is it a girl?

And there's this subject of gender filtering into government-approved

syllabus at younger and younger age. It's like, what is that? And it's not that that subject

is completely off the radar and should never be allowed. It's more that the day that you leave

that child, you have lost autonomy over what they see here think do. And again, I'm not into

brainwashing anyone. But actually, I think this might have been a book you mentioned before, Daniel.

And I've read it now and it's just excellent. Peter Gray, free to learn. Yes.

And I've actually, if you want to go back, I've had him on the podcast. Dig it out.

I might have done it. It was definitely you that just talking about it. And let's be fair as well.

Moment in time. Huge inspiration for me. Like, homeschooling's real Jake. Daniel did it.

Okay, cool. You know, we can do this. So thank you for helping head down this rabbit hole.

But his points that resonated most was like, you know, think about hunter-gatherer tribe.

The children have more autonomy to do what the hell they want in that scenario than anything else.

All the children play together regardless of age. And they're all safe because they have

common sense. We have it all. We've all got it. You don't need some, I'm going to say like

something rude about overweight vegan lefty looking after your child, you know. But that's like,

this is actually something the Robert Kiyosaki gets right because he's actually getting more

and more painful. But the school teacher, dad that he had, that was like, work your whole life

save for a time and go fucking nowhere is in charge of teaching your child how to be in the world.

Like, is that the kind of character you want? And I don't know what a bash on teachers because

often they're such beautifully minded people about their intention, their intention is strong

and good. But they just wrapped up in the system of just pathetic pointlessness where it's like

you're actually a drain, you're a complete drain. Of course you vote left because if he didn't,

you wouldn't have a job. Okay, try entrepreneurship. No, no, you want to teach a business class.

Pot can't start a business mate, you know. And the internet changes everything, right? So

you do not need to go to Oxbridge to get the best education in the world. In fact, and going back

to where this conversation started, you can get a chat GPT subscription for 20 bucks on a mobile

phone that will teach you more about the specific scenario in and give you an answer

faster than anything else has ever been possible for that thing for 20 bucks. Done.

And so the way that we sell package and consume information has forever changed, but the school

system hasn't. So you want my child five and a half years old to grow a school uniform, sit in

a room, be taught by someone with zero vision, who's scared of doing anything than what the currently

do because they'll lose their job. We'll happily line up and get the job because they'll lose their

job. And I can actually get everything they know in 30 seconds on a mobile phone. It doesn't make sense.

So think about that. That's why we're homeschooling essentially. We think we can do it better

ourselves. And I am extremely dubious about the kind of knock on impacts and the negative

externalities of not having them in your home. That's I think like a 45 year old school teacher

has been at school for 40 years. Yeah, fuck depressing. That's the only system they know.

Maybe I should be so harsh like depressing. It's, you know, it's their choice. Like you can do

it in life. But look, the true mentorship is such an amazing gift and something that

people should be able to share with the world, but they're not able to share it in that system.

That system is not set up for mentorship. That system is set up for reading and following a

textbook to the tea and putting that, shoving that knowledge down the, you know, the kids next.

And what will be tied that you go and check an AI to see if there is another opposing,

like biology, right? The kids are doing GCSE biology. They're not going to have heard of Bay

Shop. Like that is not on the table. If they come home and look at their AI and like, oh yeah,

what about vaccinations? How was that going in the 1850s, 70s, whatever it was? And AI says,

oh, well, there was two opposing theories, huh? Okay. Well, that's interesting. You bring the

up at school and no, that's not on the test. What are you talking about? We've got a couple of

young lads come to our Bitcoin meetups, started their own podcast. So share it to those boys.

Orange Pill Order is the name of the podcast. And they're both studying economics at A level.

And they tell us the funny stories. We're like, so do you ever push back? We're like, oh,

the time. But like at the end, the teacher just turns around and says,

that's if you want to pass the exam, just put down the shit I'm telling you to put down on the

paper. That's that makes sense. So then you've got to ask who creates the curriculum and who has

the monopoly over the certification process. And that will take you all the way back to the same

names who set up the general education board in 1902 and funded in 1903 by a secret meeting in

1902 to set up the general education board in the United States. Yeah, was held by Rockefeller

and six of his goons and funded by Rockefeller with $1 million in 1903 to start the general

education board. And anybody can go to the Wikipedia page of the general education board,

read that history. It's right there for you. It's not hidden. And then follow the incentives

from there. So right, okay, we now get to set the curriculum. That's brilliant. And let's give

them a nice, shiny piece of paper. If they only put down the answers that we want them to put

down from the research that we have gleaned from the people we're paying over here to do the

actual scientific research, but we'll keep what the actual research is telling us. We'll cherry

pick, we'll teach to the other side of that so we can create our medical health insurance

and pharmaceutical empire on the other side. And yes, now we're just raising conspiracy theorists

shake. But all you've got to do is follow the money and read the books. It's always a hair.

And it's and it is deeply concerning so much of this history and the obvious conditioning. And

it's it's like that phrase like history is written by the victor.

And when you really think about what that means, you just got half the story. What's the other half

of the story? And when that compounds. So the British Royal family is a good example of this.

It's the same crew, just different names for a long, long, long time. How?

You know, and we all get taught the kings and queens of England as part of our history.

You know, that that's one of the reasons there's a there's a public holiday in Australia called

Australia day. It happened just recently, end of January. And it's become more and more and more

contentious because for the Aboriginal community in Australia, it's like, well, no, it was not a good

day when those dudes turned up. Like, I'm not celebrating invasion day. And of course, it's then got

politicized. And there's the woke lefties that are jumping on the, oh, ethnic minority, let's

help them out because we're, you know, so useless ourselves. We've got to focus on someone else's

problem to make ourselves feel better bullshit that is insanely painful. Just let's and blokes,

smash some, smash some beers and pop some sausages on a barbecue and just get on with it, right?

But the point, the point being is like, who writes the history books? What's real?

And that's just, and that still gets me like, you can't not question everything,

absolutely everything. And in some ways, it's very difficult because it's just so unsettling. It's

like, what would it hang on? What? What the hell's going on here? But what, so what? Let me ask you

down, and what is, well, two questions come to mind, but as frustrating as the education system

is, like, what is education? And if I could kind of tee that up, to me, I'm thinking about, okay,

well, right now, homeschooling makes sense. And I love this idea of self-directed learning. And so

if I can create an environment at home, and again, this ties back into the financial journey just

recently, I was working on the wrong metrics. I was optimizing for how many Bitcoin I might have

had and how much that was as a net asset. But really, my job is as a provider and as a durability

layer and a stability function and a calm base for this family unit to survive. And so what,

what's education for them would depends what they're interested in. But what's helped me most in

my life is the ability to do my own work. You know, like a great example of this from a more

academic perspective is, I did economics. Ship loads of it. I did a business management degree.

And I have a Bachelor of Arts in business management. That had microeconomics. That had macroeconomics.

That had maths and statistics. I was a complete Keynesian fucking idiot, basically. And you come

across this thing called Bitcoin and you're like, hang on, what's sound money? Wait, hang on,

who's Carl Manger? Hang on, who's Lubbock von Meises? Hang on a second. What the... This actually

made sense. Hang on, so economics is about human action. Yeah. Ah, that was me thinking it was all

about I'm going to tweak the interest rate and that's going to play around with demand. And I'm

just going to have a bit more disposable income and that's going to mess around with inflation.

But don't worry, we can handle that because actually we'll just play around with the money.

That doesn't make sense. It does not make what? So, three 80-year-old dudes can set the price of

money. No, that's dumb. That's the cost of capital. That dude is more risky than this dude.

Okay, cool. Well, his interest rate's higher than this guy. Not one blanket number for the

whole market. Doesn't make sense. So, yeah, wow. Okay, this is the round thing's good, isn't it?

What does education mean, though, Daniel? You know? So, what is memorization important? Well, yes.

But maybe not as important as it used to be. So, if I was a liar right now,

I'd be shitting it, right? If I was any or all the white collar professional services,

that all of the boarding school guys that I grew up with are now doing those jobs,

they're under the pump. They've got to be right. The lawyers, the accountants, the architects,

like making big money doing all these apparently very important jobs that now,

I saw a stat recently. It used to take six people, six weeks to put together an IPO prospectus.

AI does that in now minutes, 95%. So, what are you going to get paid for? You're still

going to get paid for Insighting Wisdom. And if you're the guy that gets paid for that,

you actually probably get paid even better because you're now extremely efficient and you don't

need a team of people to do your IPO prospectus, you can do it yourself and still sell the same thing.

But, yeah, where's education going? Like, how do you provide for that in the future?

Obviously, we make it up as we go along, but I'm intrigued. Where do you see it all going?

Yeah, because some of your kids have ended up at school. So, they're not planned,

but also, of course, that's their choice. Yeah, we've had a mix, but

when they were young, like the self-directed education, I thought was really very, very important,

and that's what I gleaned from Peter Gray, reading his word, John Holt, reading his work,

and Naomi Fisher as well, you know, reading her work. And the idea there, basically, being,

you know, how do you quantify education at such a young age? And we are programmed into believing

little Johnny should be reading XYZ books by the age of four or five. You've got to be great three

by then. You've got to be great. Otherwise, you're going to be left behind and all this kind

of stuff, all of this pressure again on the parents, right? And sell the fear. But the self-directed

education method, which isn't really a method, this is the natural way if you go back throughout

human history. Yeah, it's just normal. It's normal. Like, oh, look, they're interested in

picking up a pencil and like making scribbles on pieces of paper. So, just get more paper and

more more pencils. Yeah. It's that simple as a parent. All they're interested in picking up a

musical instrument. Okay, let's go buy a second hand guitar or something and put that in the

put that in their lap. They doesn't have to be a birthday present. It doesn't have to be

a Christmas present. It doesn't have to be this great big thing you've got to wait for. It's like,

no, as the parent get in their way when you see an interest, when you see a flicker of light,

a spark, they like climbing trees, take them to the local climbing club or something. You know,

it might all be gone and done within three or four weeks that the interest might have moved on,

but that's the fun thing because they might have learned what they needed to learn because,

okay, I'm done with that now on to the next thing. Whereas, parents make the mistake of,

all right, okay, here's the guitar. We've booked you in for like a six week course lessons. We're

going to take you to a place. They're going to teach you how to play it. I don't want to, like,

a five-year-old might have just want to sit there and play with it and then done.

Bigs later. And that is, to them, learn, move on. Next thing, always changing, always moving,

always learning, always learning. Every second of every day.

Yeah, I feel like that's the, I heard Pete win talk about this recently, so shout out to Pete.

It wasn't even that recently, but the, he did a podcast with Gigi that I tuned into and

they were talking about the speed of iteration when you've got technology to play with,

which is Bitcoin, AI and Noster together. And it was essentially the speed of iteration

for entrepreneurship is so fast now. And you've got to be trying new stuff every day because,

ultimately, the computers are figuring out how to do the stuff that you were doing last week.

And so if you want to continue to create a margin in a world that is deflationary and backed by

censorship-resistant money, censorship-resistant communication, and AI, then you need to have the

ability to create faster than that system to get paid. And that's basically what you just described.

Always learning. And I don't think our, our school, does that.

Like, by design. By design, it absolutely shatters the desire to learn. The love of learning is gone

within week one, generally, because as a five or six-year-old, even if you survive, like a

a half-decent nurturing primary school, but a time you're 11 and you get to that secondary stage,

like forget it. Like, you know, you are absolutely pounded with the nine to ten GCSEs that you're

expected to get, you know, C grades or above four. They don't even use letters anymore. They're like,

I don't know what they do. But then you've got a geography class, first thing in the morning,

then you move into science, then you have a short break, then you move into English lit,

then you have another short break or some lunch. Well, you eat some, like, nutritionally dead food.

And then you finish off the day with like a double math or something. And then off you go home and,

you know, rinse and repeat. And by Friday, you're exhausted, you're done, you resent books, you don't

be your social battery. It's completely drained. You don't want to see another adult because the

adult in the room to you represents the teacher who holds the power over you and can make your life

hell, basically, by virtue of the grade they're going to give you next week, which you

completely read all weekend. Like, we're doing this to kids, man. Like, this is nonsense.

So Ken Robinson said he was talking about ADHD, the rise of, you know, he's like, well, don't be

surprised if you ask an eight-year-old to do low grade clerical work for seven hours a day,

five days a week if they might fidget during the day, you know, and force them into clothing that

they would never choose to wear. Like, it is insanity. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the pharmaceutical

angle is a really, a really pretty horrible one, isn't it? So a small boy is designed just to run

and run and run and run and you want him to sit and sit and sit and sit and sit. It's no

surprise he's going insane and then you want to dose him up with whatever, you know, it's actually

what I hate the most when I see that happening is when parents are told that their child is a

problem. And then the parent instead of being like, huh, maybe the system is the problem.

They're like, oh, yeah, it must be the child's fault because then it's not their fault.

And it's like, I'll recommend me something to solve the problem. I'll now they're taking Ritalin.

You've, you've hit a fork. This isn't, you kid, you're kidding me, right?

This is called the brain or blame dilemma. As coined by Naomi Fisher, who was a child psychologist

and she was a psychologist here in the UK in the system. And I've listened to a podcast episode

you do with her for sure. So that might be where I just heard that actually thinking about it.

But like she's, she nails it because, you know, she had a two-year waiting list out of her door

for parents, which is basically begging for diagnosis because the brain is, you know,

oh, there's something wrong with your child's brain. So the blame is like, oh, it's not me

on the parent. It's like, oh, there's something. So you get caught in exactly as you just

described, but never question the system, never question the terrain, you know, that the child is in

and surrounded by for the most part. I wonder how, how could one see or expect a shift or a change

at scale? And like speaking just from my very personal experience, having three children at home

between two of you full-time is exhausting. And even having the time and space do it,

that that's very unusual. If I hadn't bought Bitcoin at a good time, I'm 37 years old. Like,

I should really be on a construction site from seven in the morning until at least three pm

and out the house all day, which would leave three small kids with one mother all day, which would

eventually break them too. So homeschooling as an option has its hurdles. There's no doubt about that.

And school in some ways solves those problems when there's the need to work. So if you've got both

parents working, you can't homeschool. Now, are they both working out of choice or out of necessity?

I don't know. Everyone's situation is different. But I wonder how it would be possible to homeschool

at scale more when work is a requirement. You know, your time is valuable and you get paid for

your time and that's what pays the bills. So I don't know how that changes all too quickly.

Obviously, it requires a healthy appetite of like, I got to do things differently. And you meet

people all the time doing things differently. So you can do it. Some people are lazy. There's no

two ways about it. Some people are scared. Some people feel social pressure. You know, all those

different things out up as well. But the physical hands on nature of having children with you all

the time is in itself a challenge. So I don't know how, how more people could do it in a sense.

Like, you know, it's like, oh, I wouldn't be great if everyone's homeschooled their kids. Sure,

but it's a full-time job. You can't do anything else almost. So I don't know how that,

you know, I mean, if we were to be like all roasted to glasses and get the world, you know,

taking responsibility for their own children, I don't know how you actually solve some of those

problems because, you know, then the accountants wouldn't be at work and then the lawyers wouldn't

be at work and then the construction site would be empty. And, you know, it just doesn't work.

Like, and that I guess is then the division of labor and we're not in hunter-gatherer tribes any

longer. We live in mega cities with millions and millions of people or with like ultra-new skills

that trade with each other all day long, benefiting from the network effects and the power law

that is a city. So again, that's not going to reverse. It's going to continue. So I don't know how,

know how I see it playing out, I guess. I love the question, what does the ultimate,

what is a 25-year-old like? Like, where are you trying to get to? And I've not spent enough time

admittedly even really thinking about that, to be honest, because I've been doing other stuff,

but, you know, that's the goal. Like, what is a well-rounded 25-year-old? Like, what are the most

basic skills that they need to have to thrive in their own lives? Obviously, understanding money,

understanding physical health, understanding food, understanding how to communicate, understanding how

to learn. Actually, it was a red described learning as learning is love. That's how he described it,

you know, a part that's about to come out. That really resonated with me so well. You're like,

oh my god, a school doesn't give you love. No. So it's not learning.

So it's interesting, you know, what would a 25-year-old look like? And then you listed all those

attributes. And if you look at a 25-year-old today, they meet almost none of them. You've got someone

who doesn't understand money, who is in debt already by virtue of going to the university system.

You know, they'll come out with tens of thousands of pounds, if not hundreds of thousands of

dollars, depending on, you know, where you live in the world, in debt. Their love of learning

was crushed, as we talked about. So they might have managed to get themselves a job, and they'll

be learning on the job as a necessity, rather than a love. And they'll generally just take the

first thing that comes up. It won't be something they studied. Yeah. Just re-addressing some of

those things for a 25-year-old would be incredible, like the debt burden, first of all, because,

you know, that's the incentive, that's the invisible hand, right, that is going to guide your decisions.

And Bitcoin is an answer, right, you know, for our kids, for Bitcoin or families,

I hope that, you know, when our young kids, my oldest now is 20, so you're five, and so, you know,

when yours becomes 25, having learned so much from you and your wife and being around you both

for so much of that journey will carry them all in one, you know, significant manner,

and hopefully learning about money as well, because, you know, you're a Bitcoiner.

Well, and it's all about money, honestly.

Yeah, well, and we have a, there's a brilliant kid's book called Rhyming Bitcoin, that even Ruby says,

oh, Dad, I know what your favorite book is. That's like, what do you mean? Rhyming Bitcoin.

And I'm like, yeah, good one. But 20 years from now is 2046. So just to play a game for a second

in terms of the timeline that we're on, you know, I mean, well, so it's now been over 10 years since

I've owned Bitcoin, December 2015 was when I first bought some, and I want insane return. I mean,

it's just nuts, right? But it was really 2020 that I went into overdrive of like, what the hell is

this thing? I've owned it for five years. It's by far, in a way, the best thing that I've owned

from a performance perspective, you know, you can't get a shower that's broken or a tenant that walks

out. You don't get some snivly money manager that tells you they're amazing and then, you know,

hides the fact that actually you're losing purchasing power every year. This is incredible. And,

you know, if Mr. Michael Saylor hadn't done what he did with MicroStrategy, I might not have

noticed, but that was just something I was like, what do you mean he's Bitcoin on the balance sheet?

That's nuts. How many accounts would tell him that that's not possible? How many lies would tell

him that's not possible? No, no, no, stock listed company, Bitcoin cash reserve. You better have

start looking at this thing much more closely. That's what really kicked off the whole process.

But I cannot believe that we're in 2026. It's just going so much slower than what I would happen.

You know, the gradually then suddenly meme and Parker's writing is excellent, some of the very best,

but it's still like, it's gradually, there's nothing sudden about it. It's going so slowly,

but like in 2046, there might still be central banks. And I thought they'd be, I thought they'd be

dust, but there might be. And they might have coded up to governments even more. And that whole

concept of CBDC is completely reasonable. Make sense for them. If you want to pay us,

which you'll have to, because you lower us tax, and if you don't, you're going to jail or you get

kicked out the country, then you've got to pay us in this money that we control. And that makes

all a sense to me. But my point being is when my eldest is 25, obviously the world will be very

different. And 2046 seems so far away, but maybe it won't be all that different. You know, it's

just so hard to know, isn't it? The big print, like it has to happen. It has to happen.

But we don't know when. This is one of, again, another massive lesson for me, this, this quarter

is I don't ever want to be in a situation again where I'm a force seller. That's what I have learned.

And so my liquidity management was poor. And so in an environment where you know the big

Prince company, but you don't know when it's about being a stable and as durable and as tough

to just long it out. You got to be able to hibernate until this thing blows up. And at some point,

it will happen. And that might be when my daughter is 25, 20 years from now. But when she's that age,

of course, she'll be, you know, a sound money advocate and will understand the importance of

separating money from state and will live in a very different world. I don't see a future to be

honest in which the average child will be that we kind of coerce through an education system that

then puts them in debt by the time they're 21 for the rest of their life. That doesn't make sense.

Horrible, horrible handbreak on productivity and happiness and all the incentives that screw that

up. More and more people will opt out of it. You know, here in Australia, I know this is true.

The university system here is so under water that do not make money and they cost a shit load.

The government is propping them up with student migrants that are paying to move to Australia to

full universities. Why do they want that? New taxpayers, right? New debt owners. Perfect.

Let's keep this whole sham going as long as possible. Property buyers, labor, you know,

it's basically just a ton of Indian dudes coming over doing engineering degrees and being paid to go

to parts of Australia to sit in engineering departments and apparently study. And it's just,

you know, you could only do that if you had a money printer. You're paying people from other

countries to come to your country to learn and, you know, no, that's not a rational capital allocation.

So I want to create a new mind and we're going to dig some coal and sell it to China. Great.

We need some miners. Okay, cool. We pay them for that because they're delivering value.

An education system that's selling information that's already bankrupt can apparently afford to

ship in customers that are taking on debt to pay for it. It doesn't make sense.

So, but then it helps the greater good. The system can carry on.

Yeah, it's, yeah, I was talking to a few months ago and then I'll sell you this little anecdotal

story then I'll ask you to find a question because we're going to. Yeah, sure. My wife just called me

as well, which is always a good one. A couple of months ago, a guy that handled rental properties

in the in London in the UK told me that the student market, because that's where he was, he was

renting houses, flats for students, said the Chinese market has fallen out of bed by 50%.

What? What are you saying? Like that is crazy. So yep, they're just not coming over to the

universities and that is brand new, but that is this year. So I'm waiting for those ripple effects

and if that's just the Chinese, I mean, are they being replaced by other nations? I don't know,

but to your point, the same thing's going on in the universities here.

In the UK, it doesn't surprise me. Yeah. You know, there's my 18 year old, she's about to finish

her a level. She's not going to go to university. None of the, um, we had our meets up the other day

and I think we had five 18 year olds there and I asked who's going to university, not one hand

when I'm like, this is amazing. You know, you couldn't have imagined this like five to ten years ago.

It would have been the right to passage, but that is definitely going to you now. Yeah, it's going

to be interesting. But it doesn't make sense. You know, if you can, all the information you need

is on a mobile phone for $20 a month. Why would you go to university? Yep.

All right, so come on. Okay, hit me with the final question because I, I can hear the baby

and I know that two hours and I should stop gassing away with you.

If you had one last orange pill left to give to somebody, who would you give it to?

Of course, you're going to ask me this.

I should just go with instinct, shouldn't I? Probably my brother

and in previous, in previous years, I would have probably gone more like world leader-y type

answer, but more and more and more, I get less vocal about advocacy.

I'm just getting on with my life and there are just some people I know

that would just benefit from it so much and they just, they just don't get it.

They actively choose not to get it.

They want it to fail, they want you to be wrong because it helps their own bias

and it's some of the most difficult thing. So shout out to my younger brother,

wherever he is, we're actually not really on the speaking terms at the moment,

which is a whole other story and has never happened to us before, but an orange pill would probably help.

Wonderful.

Well, thank you, mate, for coming on. Thanks for everything you do as well.

In your own way, your podcast is great. Where can people come and find you

and interact? What's the best way to reach out?

Great question. So just head to my website, jakewoodhouse.io,

and then you can find wherever you like to consume stuff.

Like all of us going through this process, it's evolved over the years and

currently, I'm only posting on RSS feeds in Noster.

I got just so fed up with the censorship threat. I'm like, screw those guys.

But if you retreat to the fringes of the internet, the the amount of people that spend time there

drastically reduces. So one fundamentally has to ask the question, why are you doing

something? So like all these things, it's evolving. But yeah, head to my website. You can

find me in my address, send me an email. If you want to reach out and get in touch, then do.

And yeah, thank you for having me on, Daniel. It's always great to have a conversation like this.

I just I just love the longfall. It's crucial. But you can't hide.

You know, I think of all of those years as stupid recent example, but

that's not to say that I'm a massive Trump fan or a publicer or anything, but

you got the guy talking to Rogan for three hours. Go and listen to it.

You know, these people completely mad. You can't you can't act for three hours.

You know, and yet the the state funded media outlet wants to put on a two-minute clip

that chops up a two-hour. You know what I mean? It's just it's acting. It's acting with actors

that, yeah, that's a whole lot of podcasts, probably isn't it? But good times, Daniel. Thank you

so much for having me on. All right, mate. We'll go see the baby. You go see the wife and we'll

catch up again soon. Take care. Thanks, mate. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Thank you,

Jake, for coming on. Thank you for sharing that story about the house purchase and how you had

kind of misallocated there and feeding that pain, sending big love to you and the family.

And for everything that you do for Bitcoin and Bitcoiners with your own podcast and your own

education, it's going a long way. I'm absolutely certain of that. And I hope people reach out and

discuss with you what you've talked about here today from home birth to managing a Bitcoin

holding to a house purchase, to a renovation job, to exorcism, to reincarnation, like you.

We went all over the map on this one, guys. All over the map. You might have to go back and

really listen to a few of these parts just because it was intense, some of that stuff. Like,

it's, yeah, I didn't think I talked about some crazy stuff on podcasts before, but I think this

is the first time exorcism has come into it. So thanks, Jake, like, well, very, very interesting.

And who knows that tiny part of this conversation might help someone out there listening either

right now or in five to ten years time from now. And that's the power of having these conversations

and being so open and then being able to share them on an open decentralized platform,

like fountain, where you can go and listen and boost. You can stream sets that a show and you can

boost the show or you can go find Jake. He's got his own podcast over there, subscribe over there

and listen to his back catalog because he's got some incredible guests and he does a few shows where

he just goes through what he's learned and just lays it all out there. So yeah, go connect with Jake

and thank you so much. As always for listening, I did those shout outs at the beginning. Thank you to

all of those guys that were boosting sat sending messages, you know, getting involved in the

conversation. Really, really cool to see. And share the conversation around with anyone you want.

This one is very approachable. Some of the stolen science series that I've done, you know,

we don't talk about Bitcoin. You know, if your friends are like, I, whatever, I don't need to

listen to any of your Bitcoin podcasts. You're that's crazy. You guys are all conspiracy theorists

and not jobs and whatever else and blah, blah, blah. There are some stuff that the stolen science

series, I suppose they are conspiracy theories as well. But how many conspiracy theories are left?

They all get improved. Like, you know, the chemtrails, the geoengineering, the weather modification,

the weather warfare, you honestly still believe that's a load of old shit. It's happening right

above your heads right now. There's an episode stolen science six with Peter Kirby going down

that rabbit hole 10 years of research. I've just read a book as well called Bitten by Christine

Newby and that is an incredible expose about the Lyme disease, biological weapon and warfare

that the American government waged on their own people. All of that seems to be dropping right now.

But she wrote this book back in 2019. So it's just another conspiracy theory that is now being,

you know, you actually guys, yeah, they were right. Yeah, move on now and here's some leaked

information for you, which is already all in the book. And you got someone like Robert Malone being

peddled out on CNN and CNBC and like, he's the flapping head of Lyme disease now. Whereas this lady

did the disease after being completely crippled by her and her husband for years. She went down

the rabbit hole. She uncovered all of this and she wrote the book. The book is called Bitten.

This is an unofficial shell. It was a Christmas present by my wife that I just read and like,

you just blew my mind. And now it's just weird that all of this stuff is dropping. They choose when

to land this shit on you. Like if you go and Google solar radiation modification, any Google

and then hit images, look at the slides that this, this is like, it's insane, insane. And all of the

Epstein files, whatever, like I don't even want to talk about the stuff that we're learning from that.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. You'll never know the darkest shit. I hope. But it says,

it's worse than you could have ever, ever have thought. Anyway, I want to leave this on a high note.

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