MARINERS POSTCAST: Seattle Mariners EVEN SERIES against Cleveland Guardians with BLOWOUT WIN

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I'm Anderson Hearst.

Mariners split the series with the Cleveland Guardians in the first series of the season.

I'm Chris Crawford.

That was a heck of a game.

It was fun to watch.

And we also got to see the inflammation of one of these stupidest stats in all of baseball.

I'll tell you about it in a second.

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Welcome all.

Thank you so much for tuning in with us today.

A little bit earlier than last night.

Thankfully.

Just a little bit.

Mariners.

Kick off Sunday night baseball on Peacock in a good way.

Winning, I believe it was 8-0.

Let me double check.

Yes, it was.

Big win for the Mariners to split the series with the Cleveland Guardians.

We'll talk about Emerson Hancock.

We'll talk about the offense a little bit.

We'll talk about, should he have stayed in?

Maybe?

Maybe not.

Are you a fan of trying to keep him fresh?

Or are you a fan of looking for possibly seeing something special?

Let us know in the comments.

We'll give you guys our take here in a second.

But first, Chris Crawford, what are your thoughts on the game and the series as a whole

as the Mariners split with the Cleveland Guardians?

Well, every game outside of this one I thought was pretty darn good.

So that was kind of fun.

If you were a neutral party watching this series, I think you got the most of your, your

money's worth for sure.

You probably didn't cost you too much money unless you were going to the games.

And it'd be weird if you're going to the games of your neutral party.

What are you doing in Seattle and March?

Come on, come in April with a lot prettier.

Just super impressed with what I saw from Emerson Hancock today and I know we'll get into

it.

By the way, that stat, Cooper Kurzweil gets a save today.

That's just dumb.

That's dumb.

It's a stat that actually determines salaries too.

Like, good for Cooper Kurzweil, I'm sure that's his first MLB save.

If not, it's one of few for him, but that's just dumb.

It's a really silly thing that Major League Baseball created a very long time ago.

But that's besides the point, everything else here is spectacular.

They looked good.

They literally looked good because they were wearing incredible jerseys.

I'm super excited to see these every Sunday, really nice dream game for the lineup.

Yep.

And I mean, we got to start with the start, Emerson Hancock, absolutely spectacular.

Yeah.

No, let's start with the start, Emerson Hancock, you know, after two years of looking mediocre

at best, really kind of struggled with his command the past couple of years.

I mean, he was a serviceable like sixth or seventh starter of the last couple of years.

The talent has always been there, but he hadn't really put it together.

I saw a different picture today.

I'm going to be completely honest.

I know it's just one start.

I'm not like anointing him as he's now our ace, as some people in the comments are saying.

But it's like it's great to see him kind of realize what made him a top 10 pick.

And what was it, 2022?

2020.

2020.

Okay.

Yep.

Yeah.

So I mean, like we talked about it so much last year, if you're going to be a pitch to contact

guy, which he up until now has been, you can't be thrown, you can't be issuing walks.

You can be a pitch to contact guy, you just got to get throw strikes and rely on your defense.

And that was one of his main issues.

Not only did he get rid of a lot of the walks today, he was starting to get some stuff

to like some really good stuff and working in, you know, his sweeper, which looked excellent.

And that's kind of a new wrinkle to him this year.

But more than anything else for me, it was kind of without a lack of a better term, his

aura on the mound today.

He looked completely confident way more like, all right, I'm now sort of a veteran.

So to speak since you've been here for three years, I know exactly what I'm doing when

I'm going out on the mound and I'm not like, oh my god, I'm a young guy trying to prove

myself.

That's just the vibe I got.

But Chris Crawford, give me, give me more analytical reasons why Emerson Hancock looked

good today.

I don't know if I can give you so much analytical reasons, but I can give you this.

I do feel like Emerson Hancock sometimes gets put into this category of bad when I just

don't think Emerson Hancock is that now he was a different level today.

For those who don't know Emerson Hancock coming into his 2020 season, his junior year

at Georgia was the overwhelming favor to be the first overall pick.

Now some guys played better than him, Spencer Toracle saying among them.

So he lost his spot there and then there were some inconsistent stuff and due to injuries

and due to some other stuff, Emerson Hancock just hasn't put it all together.

But today was an example of what Emerson Hancock I think can be.

And I wanted to give you this stat because I was just looking it up.

Last year Emerson Hancock gave up 49 total runs.

22 of those runs, Anders came in three starts.

One of them, the disaster against Detroit where he couldn't get out of the first inning.

He gave up seven runs and another one where he gave up nine against the Cubs.

Do you remember that series, Anders, blowing like insane and he gave up four homers?

If you take those two starts away and then one against, in fact, it was our very first

ever locked on show where he pitched against the Yankees where he looked good at the beginning

of that start and just fell apart.

Emerson Hancock has been I think better than people give him credit.

Somebody told me that after his disaster start against the Cubs, again, the Gale Force

win game, 3.77 FIP, that's a pretty solid number.

It's not an elite number.

It's not an ace, but when that's your sixth best starter.

And right now, he's still your sixth best starter.

Like when Bryce Miller's healthy and hey, Anderson's ready to go.

Maybe use your seventh best starter.

Long story short.

Emerson Hancock was fantastic today and that sweeper was the biggest reason for me.

Like you had to be cognizant of it and it allowed him to change eye levels as well as any

I've seen.

Also worth pointing out, apparently you like seeing these Guardians uniforms.

He had a seven inning to hit start against the Guardians last year as well.

So, you know, I'm not sure how much of that can carry forward, but I was really impressed

with what I stopped from Emerson Hancock and it's an example of why you don't just trade

guys like this.

It's an example of why you don't throw in an Emerson Hancock in a trade because having

somebody like this that you can rely on maybe too strong a word, but hopefully you know

what I mean.

Like you don't feel like you're going to get your stuff pushed in when you start an Emerson

Hancock.

Yeah, it's important to have pitching depth.

If he's your fifth starter, I feel fine.

I'm lying somewhere in the middle with him overall as a pitcher, at least up until now.

If he is as good as he showed today, I will definitely change that opinion what's

like 100 percent.

But up until now, I felt like, yeah, he's probably better than what he showed me, but

it's a results based business, right?

He definitely is not on the level of our other four or five stars.

So maybe that's like a compliment to them more than anything else.

So it is what it is, but he's a fine pitcher to have on the back end of your rotation.

Now if this is what he's giving you, like I said, with a sweeper working the other way,

it seemed like a lot was happening last year because he was relying too much on that

arm side movement and wouldn't get enough on that glove side movement.

And as someone who has that kind of three quarters angle of a delivery, you need the left

to right movement.

You can't just be up and down.

You've got to be left to right as well.

So the fact that he's getting that figured out is huge for me.

So I definitely think that can change.

And we've seen pitchers like this kind of develop after their first couple of years.

I know it's weird when Brian Wu, Bryce Miller, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby have all come

in instantly and then really, really good, that doesn't always happen, guys.

So it's, it's, it's a good reminder that that's kind of how it goes.

And especially when you know that you've had some injury stuff recently, like Bryce Miller

right now, both Logan and George were big time injury risks during the beginning part

of last year.

And then Brian Wu, at the end of last year, you need these guys in your, as you're six

and seven starters.

And even as bullpen guys, if everyone's healthy.

So I think this is a big kind of development for Seattle, if Emerson Hancock is, what

do you show it today?

Sure.

Just real quick before we get into the second half, talk a little bit about the offense

and stuff.

Yeah.

The no hitter thing because for those who missed it, Emerson Hancock wrote, let's talk

about it.

Dicks does not allow a hit, just gives up two bass runners, a walk to a Jose Ramirez,

and then he hits.

I do not remember, but it doesn't matter.

There was no way in hell he was going to throw an oh hitter tonight.

Not because I think he was going to give up a hit.

I don't know if he was or not.

It's really hard to throw a no hitter hood.

There's not very many of them.

There's no way in Hades you are having a guy who has had arm issues on March 29th, throw

120 to 130 pitches.

It's just not going to happen.

And it's the right call.

I know there's a lot of people frustrated, weren't a text chin with one of the people who

was frustrated by that decision, Andrew Sirs.

And I understood.

Well, let Chris's Wi-Fi continue to buffer a little bit, but he was mentioning how we're

in a text chain with people who might be frustrated about the Emerson Hancock decision

to pull him after.

Yeah, you just kind of sputtered out Wi-Fi for a second, but continue that thought.

Where in a text chain with people that were frustrated?

Yeah, because you know, it's the no hitters a big deal.

And it is a something that not a lot of people get to do.

But it's also not something that's worth risking long-term injury over.

It's not something.

And the Seattle Mariners don't have enough pitching depths to just like take a risk with something

like this.

Man, you've just talked about it that Emerson Hancock ended up being making more starts

than the Seattle Mariners wanted because of injuries for Logan Gilbert, because of injuries

for George Kirby.

At the end of the year, Emerson Hancock ends up making a start because Brian Wu is

unavailable for you.

Bryce Miller misses time.

Bryce Miller currently out.

You have to keep these arms healthy and it's not worth the risk.

It's not it's not something that the as much as individual accomplishments matter.

It's not an accomplishment that is worth hurting your team and also hurting one of your

best players.

And best players is too strong or hurt because I'm here, but hurting one of your players

because you need Emerson Hancock to be healthy.

And you want him to be healthy just as a decent human being as well.

Yeah.

And like, usually I lie somewhere in the middle on the leave the guys in for doing something

special versus, you know, preserving them for the long run.

I would feel differently if he was at like 80 to 85 pitches through.

Totally sure.

Devonatings or whatever.

Like, all right.

Throw him out for one more.

See how much he can do.

Sure.

But he was at 97, guys.

Through seven, he would still have to get through.

Wait, was he through seven, through six?

I can't remember.

I used to six or six or six.

Oh, it's through six.

So we have to go three more innings.

Just yeah, no, that's not going to happen.

And it's his first start of the year.

Like, there's just too many things that are kind of in my head that are limiting this

from, you know, doing the right thing and throwing him back out there.

So it's, it's just the right thing to do from Dan Wilson, especially someone who

maybe if it, even if it was someone like Logan Gilbert or George Kirby,

I wouldn't want that to happen either, but you would feel a little bit differently.

Maybe because you've relied on, you know,

high volume from them before or Louis Castillo or something like that.

But Emerson Hancock, just a guy didn't make every start last year.

Obviously being your sixth or seventh starter.

And then, you know, his first start this year, it's just, it makes sense not to,

not to put him back out seven zero as well.

Like, if it was two zero, maybe it's like, he's still the best chance to win or something like that.

But no, the game was over at that point.

Go ahead.

No, I was just going to say the only other thing here too is if it was a perfect game,

I think in a little different here.

Here's the difference to if it's a perfect game, he doesn't have 86 pitches.

No, he doesn't even six inning.

Like, we are just, it's a completely different story.

If it's a perfect game and it's a completely different story of his July 28th,

two probably, but you just can't take that risk this early.

All right, let's get to the offense because he did score it runs today, believe it or not.

So we'll talk about that on the other side here.

As we break down in eight zero Marin or victory to split the series against the Cleveland Guardians,

they are now two and two on the young season.

I think it was actually very important.

Chris made a point right before we went live, how important it was to get that series split.

We'll talk about the offense, you know, some breakout-ish performances that we've been waiting to see.

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Welcome back to the Mariners Postcast.

Anderson Hirsch, Chris Crawford with you.

If you're new, we go live right after every single Mariner baseball game.

You'll see Ty and Kobe tomorrow on the Locked on Mariners podcast.

We kind of got a day and night thing situation going here.

They got your day to day bigger picture stuff.

They do some game recap situations as well.

But Chris and I got your instant reaction right after every Mariner baseball game

as soon as the final pitch is thrown or the final out is recorded.

Or maybe it's a walkoff and it's not an out.

We go live right on YouTube.

If you want to catch us right after the game, we like to be your post game.

So post game show destination.

But you can also listen to the podcast after the fact as well.

Chris, offense, score eight runs.

Who are you impressed with today?

Kind of everybody like everyone I think had at least one good at bat today.

Josh Naylor finally gets on base.

He draws that first walk, but he's stung a baseball couple.

Julio goes 0 for 4.

It's not going to be for for much longer.

I guarantee you that's going to be changed to a hit.

Because somebody on the Mariners is going to throw a fit

and make sure it gets changed to a hit.

I just tell you right now, but he also draws a walk.

It's been nice to see.

I believe that's three straight games for Julio with a walk.

So that's nice to see.

Want to see the results?

Of course, Big Dumber has the luckiest double that I've seen in quite

some time.

But hey, it falls in.

Thank you.

C.J. CAFES, boy, you had a rough day out there today.

I thought our left field situation was bad.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know, C.J. CAFES is normally a decent little outfielder.

24 year old who looks like he's turning 52 next year,

which I noticed when the app fell off.

But there were a lot of really good offensive days today.

Brendan Donovan, I think chief among them.

Yes.

And that whole run was huge.

And a rare mistake, I think, from Steven Vote,

who is one of my favorite managers to leave

Ciconi in the game for as long as he did.

Some people bring it up.

The fact that yeah, it's early and there,

but you're getting somebody hot.

So I might as well get somebody hot for a guy who is

way worse against left-handed pitching than he is against

right-handers or just and as somebody brought up,

CAFES did just give up on that hit by big dumper, by the way.

Like that was poor effort.

It wasn't just mistakes.

It was a poor effort.

But Brendan Donovan was absolutely sensational this series.

I was really impressed with what he did.

Outside of one throw that wasn't so great yesterday.

Might have cost you the game.

Might have cost you the game for sure,

but hard to complain about what he did at the bat.

And you see why I see out on one of this guy

at the top of the lineup so much.

Then your 7-8-9.

Cole Young had some really good at bats today.

Leo Rivas with the hit.

Luke Rayleigh strikes out three times.

But he does drive in the run.

It was great to see that.

I was really impressed with the offense today.

And honestly, for the whole series,

even with your 2-3-4, not getting a whole lot done,

I'll take a bunch of five to six run efforts.

And tonight you get eight.

That's pretty dang good, man.

That is pretty dang good.

Now it just gets frustrating that you see two and two

instead of three and one and four down next year.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's going to happen.

You're going to lose games that you feel like you should win.

Absolutely.

And you're going to win games that you probably shouldn't win.

It's just how baseball goes.

Sometimes, you know, you make a couple of plays here and there.

The record could be different.

But I think if we're looking at bigger picture stuff,

I take more positives out of this series than negatives

if I'm going to be completely honest.

Maybe Logan Gilbert, not looking like Ace Logan Gilbert.

It's one of the big negatives I take from it.

I still think, as we saw today,

Josh Nailer, like he stung a couple balls.

Julio's at Bats are looking better and better.

Cal, just getting off the shine is going to be huge.

And then the rest of the lineup's been really good.

Rania Rosarina had himself a really nice series.

He did.

Um, Dom Canzone obviously, Luke Rayleigh

doesn't get the home run and go in four straight,

but then obviously Brendan Donovan,

who I think is going to be a huge difference maker

at the top of the lineup.

The Mariners have been just starving

for an actual lead off hitter.

And I think that kind of turn gets thrown out a lot

because you can have just good hitters

that in the lead off position and be totally fine.

But when you have a good hitter that's kind of

a pretty traditional lead off hitter,

it helps the rest of your lineup in a lot of ways.

So I still like what I'm seeing from Leo Rivas as well.

There's a lot of love to go around today.

And I think this 8-0 victory is cathartic

because it showed like, hey,

we're still like a really good baseball team.

Even though we may have maybe thrown away last night's game

and we shouldn't have,

and we didn't look great on opening night,

you still come away against the playoff team last year,

by the way, I'll throw out there.

It doesn't seem like it cleavans the weirdest team ever.

They're just, they have two talented players in their lineup

and then maybe two talented pitchers.

And then all of a sudden they win the central every year.

I just don't understand how that works.

Some of that's manager, you know,

I think Steve a vote.

And I also, some of it playing in the division.

They do, I don't think hurts.

And also, they're just scrappy.

They're a scrappy pain in the butt team.

And by the way, I think Jason Benetti

brought up a really good point here.

Losing a series here wouldn't be that big of a deal, right?

With 158 games to go,

understatement of understatement,

it wouldn't have been that big a deal.

I do think evening the series against the Guardians matters,

any team that you're evening a series against

or have a chance to win because there is no game 163 anymore

and because of how the tiebreakers and baseball works now,

you want to win as many series against those teams as possible.

Obvious point is obvious because you do that.

You're winning a lot of games.

But hey, I'd prefer to have the tiebreaker against teams

like the Guardians, the Tigers, the Yankees,

the Astros obviously, all of those playoff teams.

I'd prefer to have the tiebreaker there.

Now, if you just go win the series in Cleveland,

whenever the heck that is, you win that series

and you get that tiebreaker instead of needing the sweep

in Cleveland to get that tiebreaker.

So just looking way, way ahead,

but I do think it is something that you have to be,

the Mariners will put themselves into that position

where this type of stuff matters.

Where if you're serious about winning a world series,

you want to have home field advantage

and you want to have the tiebreakers against good baseball teams.

Unsung hero, who you got?

The uniforms.

I just love them.

I, it's so good.

And, you know, you could go with Cooper Kurzweil.

I know he gives up the two hits

and that frustrated everybody because whatever.

But I just love these uniforms.

I think they're so slick.

I think the fact that they're paying tribute

to a team that deserves being paid tribute to as well

is another reason why I really like them.

But yeah, I just love these uniforms.

Yeah, I think they're clean.

Having the Seattle and just the S black and white.

Awesome.

I'm gonna do something rare.

Unsung hero, Dan Wilson.

Nah, there you go.

Taken out Emerson Hancock.

I know that's a controversial taste.

Sure.

Not even just to make you win this game

because the game was already basically over at that point,

but overall in the series,

I think the day to day kind of bigger picture stuff

that he's good at,

maybe line up placement,

getting the right guys in the right situations,

getting guys in the right frames of mind.

That's where I think Dan Wilson thrives.

And if you look at that over the course of an entire season,

I actually think there's a good man.

Yeah, that's where you see his value.

Obviously, the in-game management,

there's a lot to be desired.

But I think overall the way they kind of,

as we've seen now with both a righty and a lefty,

I like what they did with the lineup.

I like having Rob Reff's night or lead off against lefties.

I like not benching Brendan Donovan against lefties,

but also not leading him off against lefties.

Right.

I think he brought that up in the chat, by the way.

He's been bad against them.

He is a significantly worse hitter.

That's not who you want hitting at the top

ahead of your big bats,

but he needs to be in the lineup

unless they feel really confident in a Patrick Wisdom

or someone like that coming to play up a platoon.

And there's only so many roster spots for that.

Absolutely.

And just overall, I think he's made mostly,

like I said, the bigger picture decisions,

like Leo Rivas playing short.

I love what Cole Young kind of has started to pick it up

a little bit as of late as well.

He and Zone, once again, looks like he's figuring things out.

And I know a lot of people won't point to the manager

as the reasoning why a lot of this happens.

But I don't think it's coincidence either.

So this is where the positive side of Dan Wilson.

We know the negative side.

We talk about it a lot,

but you can look at the positive side

of what he does as well.

So I'm going to go with Dan Wilson as my own saying.

Love it.

I love it.

And here's the proof that we will say nice things

about Dan Wilson.

Exactly.

And, hey, you know what?

We react to every single game.

We react to the series as a whole as well.

And like when he does good things, you can point them out.

So let's let's be back tomorrow Yankees are in town.

Luis Castillo.

I don't know who's facing against New York,

but we'll kind of double check the Yankees swept

their opening series.

So I think it's actually perfect awful.

Yeah, this is why I think it's a perfect time to get them

because they're due for a loss.

So let's go.

And they're facing left reason back-to-back games.

By the way, guys, Ryan Weathers on the mound for them tomorrow

and then Max Fried.

Logan Gilbert against Max Fried.

That's a hell of a fun.

Yeah, that will be fun.

We'll talk to you guys tomorrow.

Have a good one.

Go Mariners.

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with a sulfonoluria or insulin may cause a little blood sugar.

Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting,

which can cause dehydration and worsen kidney problems.

Talk to your doctor, call 1-800-545-5979,

or visit zeppbound.lily.com.

Zeppbound and its delivery device base in QuickPim

are registered trademarks owned or licensed

by Eli Lilly and company.

It's subsidiaries or affiliates.

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