Mark Epstein Challenges Official Story in OIG Interview on Epstein’s Death (Part 4) (3/6/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles in this episode

We're gonna dive right back in to the mark Epstein interview with the OIG investigators

Epstein was Bell his Bell itself was 100 plus 100 million somewhere in that range

I don't know the exact number, but whatever it was I paid them

Redacted yeah, okay Epstein I have his indesernable

The house in Florida is a small part

Epstein technically the first Bell he called me and asked me if I would participate in his Bell because he's explaining that it's a better show if other people are

willing

So I said sure put in my house in Florida

Epstein that's worth 200,000 that's not indesernable and then come the appeal you know indesernable

Days but prior to his death they call me and they explained that you know, they're going to do this appeal and he was pretty much

You know at the house which you can find indesernable

I think he was in jail for indesernable. You know a couple of close to 100 nights

They asked me if I would guarantee his indesernable. I said yes

So I don't remember the exact number, but he wasn't worried about it because like I said

He gets cut off by redacted. No, no. I'm just Epstein cuts him off. I'm just going to show up

redacted

For especially when we had heard that you guys were estranged

But if I can say my guess would be that you actually weren't and you actually agreed to post Bell and indesernable

How much money was it Epstein up to it was somewhere in the range of a hundred million

Redacted, okay, you got that type of money

Mr. Epstein

indesernable you'll see

Redacted, but you mentioned another there was one other person. I thought you said that was also involved Epstein

Yeah, David Mitchell

Question just to two of you Epstein as far as I know. Yeah, that's the only people. I've ever known. Yeah richman

I don't know if that Bell application was final. It might be Epstein. Okay, give me indesernable

Redacted cuts him off and it was Jeffrey's lawyers that reached out to you about that Epstein. Yeah

Well, the one lawyer redacted he works in prison indesernable

Actually, yeah a long time ago like 30 years ago

He worked in a law firm and Jeffrey and I both use that law firm

I used it for law stuff indesernable always there, but I haven't seen him in a very long time

Until this indesernable, so he might be personal. Yeah, okay in these pictures

He's by the cell you see this electric court here. It's like in the room access

He would have to have the door the door swung open and the electrical cord was there

That was I think is defibrillator or something and I've seen the machine

But you could see there is an electric cord in that picture of the electric cord. What is that?

Yeah, and in the picture I'm looking for it shows that electric cord really it's plugged into the extension on the other side of the door

So it was obviously moved

Redacted indesernable Epstein. Yeah, let me go back. Let me get rid of this and go back

Redacted. Okay, are these the scenes for us Epstein. No, this is my only copy of these

Redacted. Okay Epstein. Okay here. Oh, oh, oh fucking hell. All right. You see here the electric cord is on the outside of the room

And the other picture of the door was opened and this not and stuff was on the inside of the door

So somebody moved that for some reason because he didn't indesernable and

It's just like a discrepancy

Redacted I see Epstein and supposedly there was a lot of activity after he was gone at least that you can see in the picture

Redacted so it's always good for us to have indesernable along with the photographs and perhaps the indesernable

Epstein I can make the copies and send them to you

Redacted. Oh my that would be great Epstein. No problem

Epstein. Yeah, give me your cards and I'll send redacted. Okay

Epstein so you guys can he gets cut off. Well, if there's anything if there's something else that we're missing

Epstein. Yeah, redacted. Just let me know

When you first started

Were you aware that mr. Epstein went through his life?

He indesernable with his life. You didn't seem surprised. Were you surprised?

Epstein I wasn't surprised. I'm pretty level headed, you know, so I don't so these don't surprise me

I've seen a lot of shit in my life, you know

I haven't been in the military, but military people have told me

I should have been in the military because I'm always the one with the cool head, you know, when all the shit breaks loose

So I wasn't surprised

It was a little bit shocking that he was dead, but like I said I assumed okay

You are on CNN that he committed suicide. So you originally you don't have reason to question

You just assume that that's the case. I mean that in the reason that he committed suicide again knowing, you know

That he was potentially facing a long-term prison sentence. He didn't have kids to worry about

He didn't have to worry about me our parents are dead. There's no other relative that he was close to in that way

So I assumed okay, that's what he did, you know

But as I finished my breakfast, you know, it's but you know

I didn't and like I said I assumed if that was his choice

Then I respected because look if I was in his shoes. I have kids, you know

Like I said if I didn't have kids and I was potentially facing

But I did you know we're not religious people

We were both raised atheists, so you know, we don't have that kind of fear or anything

Yeah, I might choose to take myself out

But I would certainly wait for the bell hearing to pass

That's what indiscernible and Jeffrey wasn't a stupid man. So you know, I'm sure he would have waited for that

As well because it doesn't make sense to kill himself two days before a bell hearing

Where your bell is going to be the highest bell ever in the United States with a guarantee

Redacted I know you mentioned

You didn't communicate with him after his arrest his last arrest in July

But before that did he ever mention about possibly committing suicide was he ever depressed

Epstein oh never never never never no

Question did he ever show any tendency toward wanting to take his life

Epstein never never no that wasn't him. He had no reason to he had like he had a life that you and me

Go anywhere we want he had more money than God. He did what he wanted

You know if he wanted to do it with me if he had yes people surrounding him who catered his eyeway

I think it means every way, but it says eyeway here

Redacted right Epstein flying around on his private jets. He was the indiscernible all over the place lots of women

You know he doesn't side story my mother indiscernible you know obviously you're going to settle down

And I said to her I said he hasn't settled down because if he found a quality woman to settle down with instead of these bimbos

That he's hanging out with she would eventually say yes, you know why don't we do this instead of that

That was what he wanted

I said and that's why she gets shown the door because he didn't want to do anything that he didn't want to do

And he was able to have the life that way

There was no reason for him to kill himself or think about killing himself

He was healthy. He wasn't facing any medical issues or whatever, you know

Redacted being his brother and knowing him the way you do

Do you think that the bell if he was actually going to be released would he have any fear of being out in public

Because people then now perceiving him a certain way

Epstein well he had that whole thing from 2006. He's been shown by you know society since that first thing in 2006

You know like when he's in business

He used to you know handle the indesernable

That's where he made a lot of his money. You know what I'm saying with the indesernable

So wexlon wexner distance himself from that because you know people would be seeing the old Jeffrey Epstein

Because of his initial thing in 2006

In that period of time. So yeah, so he already went through that shunning, you know

And you know it is what it it was he was trying to rehabilitate his reputation at the time

That's why banan was helping him because banan was going to come out with another story

And there's another there's people from australia and you'll see soon in the paper that they're coming out with a whole story

About this case with glaine maxwell and the brother and these victims who they're claiming were not really victims, you know

You know that these are just as my mother used to say good time charles girls looking for a good time

You know if it was so victimish, you know

Then how come all these girls brought their friends to participate in these parties

There was an interview on tv last year

It was set in britain some british woman who indesernable and my brother

Who had been to some of the dinner parties at my brother's house and so you know

And she started saying there were two journalist indesernable

She started saying how these girls were not victims, you know

They were enjoying the high life

Flying around in private jets being in these amazing homes. I mean his house pays them, you know

And then and when she started turning the tide on these poor victims the journalist shut it down because at the time

Nobody wants to hear anything positive about Jeff. Nobody wants to hear anything negative about his victims, you know

Jeff was just enjoying the time

Redacted do you know if he was aware that you'll put it up and agree to be the guarantee or guarantor for the bell

Epstein I think his attorneys told him that yeah

Question same thing with David Mitchell you think the attorneys screwed redacted

Epstein I would imagine so yeah

Question okay richman

You can check the mcc records that he was meeting with his attorneys all day and indesernable the entire day every day

Richman because all of the rest of us had to wait because you couldn't see anybody else from the shoe

Epstein indesernable also won a couple of the weeks before he died

He had that incident with redacted his cellmate at the time Tartaglioni

Redacted uh-huh Epstein there's conflicting stories about it

You know david shone said that and publicly that Tartaglioni attacked him one afternoon

And it was trying to say that was like a suicide attempt

So who knows where it took place or if Tartaglioni attacked him

And then Tartaglioni was still on the tier indesernable

Redacted now do you know if jeffrey spoke at all with anyone if his attorneys know anything about Epstein being attacked by Tartaglioni

Epstein david shone is the one that would talk to me about that

Redacted so that's Epstein cuts them off like I said is attorney don't give me very much information on that

I was involved in the case and that indesernable in place and you don't see my name anywhere. Yes

Question redacted but that jeffrey specifically told them is what you're saying

Epstein yeah question just heard of that

Epstein no no david shone met with jeffrey and jale and that's why david shone said that jeffrey was upbeat about the defense

Redacted okay Epstein you know relying on another prosecution

Oh, that's what got Bill Cosby out right another prosecution a non disclosure agreement

Yeah, which I believe is the defense that glane Maxwell you know, but I'm not an attorney and they charge indesernable

Redacted anything else we know about or follow up with Epstein like I said

Like I would like to talk you know who were the unnamed guards number one and number two

You know a list of people on in the tier Michael Thomas found them in the morning

So he was in there assuming that bar was right and nobody went in and out like I said if he was going to be killed

Nobody would go in and out to kill him right

How you going to do that? But if you plan something you know to kill him

You know, that's how you commit suicide. That's a lot of things a suicide

Redacted prior to getting murdered

Epstein no he wasn't he was murdered

Redacted indesernable Epstein but the dude who murdered made it look like a suicide. That's the indesernable

Redacted. Oh, I got it. I understand what you're saying. All right. So yeah from you or anything that we've discussed

If you want to attach that video

As well as the photographs and the recording you can just send it to us through your attorney

Epstein okay redacted and I'm grateful that we can have other stuff to follow up on Epstein okay

Epstein yeah, so the guards who the guards were like I said

I wouldn't mind talking to Michael Thomas and finding out what position was Jeffrey in when he first saw him

When he first found him that's very crucial what position Jeffrey was in when Michael found him

The videotape in the hospital, you know with the indesernable, you know with the

FD and line guys that we both talk I tried to go down to the station

Or the shoe yeah indesernable around to talk to them and I'm indesernable

Redacted who won't talk to you Epstein. I was trying to get the fire department guys redacted. Oh, okay

Epstein to try to get them to talk to me, but they won't talk

I'm the next of kin. I'm entitled to all this information

Redacted sure Epstein and they ain't got shit, you know other than this paperwork

Redacted yeah Epstein also what happens with the test and with the DNA and indesernable was that test ever done

What were the results of that test? I mean if it was a real artist then you may not find anything

Was the test done and what led the chief medical examiner to declare it was a suicide

Just a few days after it was pending pending forever investigation

Richmond there was never an investigation Epstein. Yeah, what investigation took place

There was no indication that any investigation took place

Which like other than bar saying well, he sort of nobody went in and out that convinced him it was suicide

Richmond that came later

Epstein. Yeah, it came later that came later

Redacted are you aware of when they actually thought they deemed it a suicide?

Richmond it was the Friday the following Friday

Redacted so that Friday so he was found on Saturday the following that Friday

Epstein it was like five days

Richmond. Yeah Epstein it was something like five days

Richmond but we had heard from the media that they were changing it

That's why we called into the medical examiner's office like what the hell's going on? What are you talking about?

Where are you going or getting this from?

It may no sense because there hadn't been a full investigation

Epstein the city pathologist and Dr. Bodden they did the autopsy

Richmond they were present. Yes Epstein they were present. They did the autopsy

They said this looks more like murder than a suicide and then the chief medical examiner declares it's a suicide from before

What is she basing that on? Redacted when they do the autopsy is it recorded? Richmond? Yes

Redacted is it video recorded?

Richmond it's audio recorded

Epstein and the photographs

Redacted doctor indesernable recording Richmond we don't have the recording

Redacted but if there was he would be doing the recording

Richmond he was there Epstein yeah because he spoke it Richmond of course

Epstein he said that he did whatever he asked them to do certain things

Indesernable so he wouldn't have to do a second autopsy it would be closer

If he's standing there they indesernable asked him whatever he wanted you know

Yeah, they changed it we don't understand why

Redacted and did they agree to the to it to be changed Epstein no richman no but they didn't ask him

Epstein no he wasn't consulted

Richmond he was surprised

Epstein yeah well you can talk to him if he's around go talk to him indesernable

For contact information you have is there any contact information you would like to provide Epstein for redacted

I think Biden or bottom. I mean

Redacted for any of the people that you

We have David shown David Mitchell redacted or can you provide it through your attorney

Richmond why don't you just send it all to me and I'll just forward it to them

Anyone you can think that

question

That we should you think that we should speak of or to and the contact information that you have

I'm not talking about like the guards or things like that

Richmond well, we don't have that redacted right and I mean

We have all that stuff, but as far as the outside of the government Epstein

Oh, well, I'll give you David shown's number. I have it right here

Gives him the number great guy by the way talking to he's really super

Redacted what about Mitchell David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew David Mitchell from long ago

And I haven't seen her spoken to David Mitchell probably in a couple of decades until this came about

That's when we reconnected when I found out that he also put money

You know the bailout for Jeffrey we reconnected

Question what about Mitchell David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew David Mitchell from long ago

And I haven't seen her spoken to David Mitchell probably in a couple of decades until this came about

That's when we were reconnected.

When I found out that he also put money, you know, the bail, up for Jeffrey, we reconnected.

Anything else?

Epstein, back in the 90s, and early 2000s Jeffrey and I did stuff all the time.

We were much closer to him, but then indesernable, you know, just got indesernable, redacted,

is there any communication via email?

That would have been, that you had with Jeffrey, that would help us out.

Epstein?

Well, I might have, the back and forth between him and I, with about the videotape,

Richman, uh-huh, Epstein, yeah, that was forwarded to me from Bannon.

Yeah, there's nothing else, really, like I said, most of the communication with us was,

you know, telling me funny things, or just keep them indesernable with every cousin.

And things like that, so redacted, maybe you talked amongst your attorney, if there

is any communication that you guys have, that might be helpful for us.

Epstein, yeah, of course, yeah, redacted, do you know of anyone else that communicated

with Jeffrey while he was in prison, other than his attorneys?

Epstein, well, just redacted?

Richman?

I don't think, I mean, he doesn't know his social circle?

Epstein, yeah, Richman, so he doesn't know his friends, or who he was in business with,

or anything along that line.

And he's been shut down.

I've tried to reach out to people in the estate.

He wanted to have wrongful death suit for his brother, but the estate has the right.

He doesn't have that right, and they shouldn't, they shouldn't reach out to him.

Epstein, yeah, and I'm not happy about the estate wouldn't give me that right to file a

wrongful death suit, because even if I did it that way, the money, whatever money it's

going to bring, look, it's a slam dunk case for wrongful death.

Redacted, who was entitled to that money, was it the estate?

Epstein, it belonged to the estate.

Redacted, and who was, he gets cut off by Epstein, the trustee, the executives, redacted

who are they?

Epstein, redacted and redacted.

Wait, what were the name, Epstein, redacted?

Redacted, can you spell the last name for me, Mr. Epstein, redacted?

And who was the other person?

Questions asked, Epstein, it was redacted, right?

Richman, I'm not sure, I think there's another executive as well.

Epstein, there was a third one as an alternate.

Richman, right, but I think Epstein cuts her off, who was declined.

Richman, and doesn't want to be part of it.

He didn't even know, redacted, and who are these people?

Richman, the estate executives, Epstein, well, redacted is long term, richman and attorney,

Epstein.

That was my brother's private attorney, so he's talking about Darren Indyke.

He worked for Jeff for a long time, and she's worked with him and discernible, redacted,

I think was, redacted, I don't think he's an attorney, I think he's like an accountant

or something.

He also paid ind discernible, and these people are entitled to all.

So he's talking about Indyke and Khan, obviously, question, and these people are entitled

to it all, Epstein, they're in control of the estate.

Richman, it's whatever the trustees, we don't know, redacted, okay?

Epstein, I mean, I believe that the trustees, also when he, you know, money on this day,

gets transferred off the trust, and then the trust got, you know, it says what's to

be done with it, and those guys, I believe, are under the trustee as well.

Yeah, now, I don't know, like I said, the wrongful death case, the wrongful death suit,

is that a slam dunk, and I just want to point out, if it was successful, there could

have been more money in the pocket for the victims or for whatever, you know, if they're

getting his money, but the executives, the executors, chose not to do it.

I question that, and I question because there's a deal coming in, because both redacted and

redacted are being looked at and investigated.

So they're rolling up all their sleeves, and from what I heard, they've also, they've

hired criminal defense attorneys for the case.

So there's some deal coming in, it would be going for wrongful death, if something

ind discernible, redacted, okay, well, if there's anything else, Epstein, okay?

You could always contact us by phone or whatever, Epstein, okay, redacted, and we will talk

some more about that.

Otherwise, we'll look forward to that other email.

Epstein, you have cards?

Can I have your cards?

Redacted?

I don't think I actually have a card.

Epstein, well, if not, redacted, yeah, give it to me.

Richmond?

Yeah, you can go through me, Epstein, okay, okay, Richmond, okay, redacted, well, thank

you for taking the time to talk to us.

Mr. Epstein, well, pleasure might be the wrong word, redacted, it's 11.40am on September

22, 2021, and we're ending the interview, this is special agent, redacted.

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