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Now, let's ride off Don ZX, mustache line.

We'll talk about Marvin Bagley.

He had an incredible game in this one.

He had an incredible game.

He had two great negative last five to ten.

We'll talk about that.

The maps, tank,

whatever,

because the wind is going to hurt there.

It's going to get eaten up.

Yeah.

you're at the certain point. We've been talking about these post games. We're like, all right,

well, what are the takeaways? And several times, like, slightly has got on the shows,

like, I have no takeaways from this game. And I have tried to, like, bring something

every game and try to, all right, well, let's, let's try and get something out of the

rest of this season. And one of the things you can get out of a tanking season where

you're, you know, you're playing, you know, mass are playing the vet still. They're not

doing what the jazz are doing. And they're not like sitting all these guys. They're not

just all focused on these on these young guys. They are playing all these guys. And Marvin

Bagley went out there tonight, 27 minutes, 26 points led the team, nine boards led the team,

hit three assists, hit three threes led the team, which is one thing we'll talk about.

But he hit three threes and was just awesome coming off the bench. And he's been awesome

in a lot of these games. And he showed a different approach that you can take. We've talked

a lot over the over the our 10 year unlocked on maps about the bullpen approach to bigs

in the NBA. If you're not going to have one like dominant, like really good big man,

have the bullpen approach. We have multiple different looks and Marvin Bagley is a different

look. The Mavericks haven't had in a little while. And that is, this is one thing you can

get out of a tanking season is to find somebody that can work in your rotation next year,

or they can bring something else to your team that can be productive on your team, finding

a guy that was doing pretty well for, for the Wizards, but has not really been part

of like competitive teams in the past, right? Like he's bounced around a little bit here

and there. And the master found something in Marvin Bagley. He's a free agent this summer.

So we'll talk about that. But I just think Marvin Bagley is kind of like a revelation

for this maps team at the end of the season. Yeah, for for bags, you know, yeah, for

Bagley, man, I'm happy for him. So a little like teaser for something that dusted off

the fingers for a written story, coming out next week for a demagazine, a feature

I did with Bagley and got to sit down with him, I guess a week or two ago and just talk

about his journey and stuff. And you'll see some of that in the story if you like reading

stories. But for Bagley, he's just kind of like he's he's putting it together over this

past like 12 months. And he's like finding this spot where he's getting more comfortable

with like his own skin. And that's kind of like the the title of the story because, you

know, I even got a quote from Jason kid about hey, seven, you know, he seven seasons in

is sometimes it takes guys just longer to find a spot to where they're confident and just

being themselves. And how early on you can find a guy, especially like a top draft pick

trying to be something that they're not. And which, you know, Bagley and I talked a little

bit about his to his time in Sacramento and that development or lack of development.

And he's finding he's finally finding this spot right now this year has started in Washington.

Now it's carrying over to Dallas to where he's comfortable with like who he is. And he's

more confident now. And he's confident in the fact that he brings rebounding, he brings

shooting. He gives them like you said, this different look at the five spot that, you

know, he gives an outside shot. I mean, it's kind of like, you know, it's not to the

same degree. I get it. But they have a a Duke athletic Duke big in their 20s that's

logging some minutes and shooting some threes and rolling to the basket and defending the

paint right now. And it's not Derek lively. It's Marvin Bagley. You know, because like

what, I mean, it's just like you see him tonight. He hits some threes. He had a sequence

where he hit a corner three. And then he came back down the next few possessions later

and they, he runs a pick and roll pick and pop three and he catches at the top of the

key. And he kind of like does like a semi pump fake and then rolls to the paint and

dunks it. And it's like that's the like nobody else in that five man spot for Dallas right

now can do that. And so I'm happy for him. And it feels like Dallas has found something

that Matt Ricardi said after the AD trade, he's like, we, yes, it's about flexibility and

everything we've afford, you know, with the, with trading AD. But also he's like, there

are a couple of guys in this chair. We want to get a look at. And he says Bagley's like,

Bagley's been playing well. We want to get a look at Bagley. So yeah, man, I, I hope

he's back next year. And if they can get him on like a cheaper type deal, then that's,

that's a big win for Dallas. He's a really good backup big in the league right now.

He would be, here's the restrictions the maps have on, on signing it. This is from our,

our guy CBA maps. Navs have non bird rights on, on him. So to pay him more than 3.7 million,

which is what he's making this year or is the, a little bit more than what he's making

this year to pay him more than that for next year, which that's what he would, he would

cost more than that. The maps can only use an exception. They have two different exceptions

they can use. They have the $5.5 million by annual exception. That's basically the deal

that, that, that, the angel Russell guy at the beginning of, of this season, or they

have that $15 million non taxpayer MLE that we talk about a lot when we talk about targeting

free agents and, and going and signing guys outright and getting, getting guys in the free

agent market, you can split up that 15 million. It doesn't have to be all 15 million on

Marvin Baglan. I don't think that would make any sense for him. But if they could get him

back for that $5.5 million by annual, the deal that, the, the angel Russell guy, I mean,

that would be a big win for the Mavericks. It, it seems like he might, may get more than

that. But I don't know, like, there's not a lot of teams that have cap space out there.

And I don't know, he could definitely help with, help a team. But I hope that the maps

find a way to keep him around.

Well, that, and that's the thing too. It can kind of like work against him and work

for him at the same time, as far as like not a lot of like free agent money because they

should have access to that 15 million, you know, mid level, non tax mid level. But I think

that's going to be so valuable because there's not a ton of free agent money out there. And

you do have some teams that's getting close to the aprons and all that's where I think

the, as, as we keep going through this CBA that this, that MLE around that 15 million mark

is going to be so valuable because you can take players into it via trade. You can, obviously,

sign players, you can split that mid level, except some up. So they might be able to pull

off like getting a player for that mid level that you never thought that they would have signed

for that. But they're just not free agent money out there. So it's like that, that's a,

that's a win for him that could be working for him this summer. But also you get a guy like

Bagley and it's like, Hey, we know you're 26. Will you take five million a year, even though you

probably, you're coming off the best season of your career right now, which is, you know, let's say

that in context, it's not like he, you know, he's been putting up 26 and 15 for half the season.

He, yeah, he's had some good moments in Dallas and he's showing that he, that he's finding a groove

right now in the league. But he's, he's average in 10 points, six rebounds and it's like an

assist in a half under a block. You know, he's shooting 43% on threes, but only taking like point seven

of game and playing like just under 20 minutes for the season total. So both for the wizard's

and for the maps. That's over 55 games. Do you have his per 36 up because it's guys like that that

I like seeing their purse per 36. Yeah, the thing about him though is he's not playing a lot of

games like he's had the most he's played is 62, but hit so, but his per 36 18 points 11 boards

two and a half assists 1.3 blocks and taking what, how many just 1.23. So he's really not taking a

ton of threes. That's been a development lately. But we've seen it. We've seen he can, he can

knock him down. But I mean, he's, he's productive off the bench for sure. Again, though, he's athletic

enough. You know, one of the things he told me is like the area that he wants to work on the most

right now is protecting the paint and trying to be that rim protector guys. The next thing he's,

you know, trying to improve on. And because what unlocks badly is when you play him at the five

and do you have to play him at the five at this 6 10 6 11 guy then and is doing what he's doing.

He's got the, I mean, one of the best things about him. I remember coming out of college coming

out Duke was the second jump. And that second jump hasn't went anywhere like his second jump off the

floor. It's just crazy. And you know, he had defense possessions. And I guess, you know,

clinging that, you know, clinging, it looks like clinging has 50 pounds on him. But it's not that much.

But still it's like he was seven three. He was, he was holding his ground. He's battling with him

for boards had had a, you know, a block on him. I thought he was giving clinging some problems

defensively like when clinging had the ball. So I was impressed a lot with him tonight. I've

been impressed within the season. It's kind of why I wanted to write this thing too. And I think

the maps we could be looking at, we could be looking back from that trade saying, hey, this is about

AD and flexibility and, you know, the draft picks and like all these other things, not AJ Johnson.

But all these other things. And, but also, man, backly was the sneaky, sneaky part of that trade

that we could be look at it a year or two from now and baglies on a five million dollar contract.

But a, a good backup big on this team saying, man, that was such a sneaky part of that AD trade

that the, you know, Finn Cardi pulled off. It was pretty cool. Are you saying that Marvin Bagley

is the, the Dwight Powell of the Anthony Davis trade. Is that what you're trying to say? Oh,

AD's right. The, the, the Rijon Rondo, the Rijon Rondo trade. Or is he the max Christy of the

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We had seven years with him. All right.

Coming up, Cooper flag. Really good first half. Not so great second half, but the map is still

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All right. The maps win a game against the Portland Trailblazers. It feels like every time the

mass win a game at the end of the season, I'm like, it says more about the other team that it says

about the Mavericks like that Cavs game. I was like, it says more about the Cavs and it doesn't

the maps. I don't know what's going on with the Blazers. What have they even sold their team?

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Cooper flag 24 points three boards to assist four steals had three turnovers nine or 17 from

the field. That's 53%. That's good. But only to one three missed it six or six from the free

throw line played 37 minutes. He had some big plays down the stretch, but scored 20 points in the

first half. And what like, you know, four in the second half, it was a weird game. What did you

make a Cooper flags two halves in this game? Yeah. I mean, I thought he had a stretch there to where

he was really being aggressive, just like getting to his spots in the mid range. He had that

you have played where he did kind of like a spin move, kind of unintentional as the guy went for

the steal and it came up did a crossover and but hit a hit a shot right there the free throw line

got fouled and won the bench was going crazy about it. That's the type of stuff I want to see in

the games like this because you know, these games don't ultimately matter. I just want to I just

want to see I want to see Cooper, you know, try to be like too aggressive at times. And just to see

like, Hey, let's push the limits a little bit on how like much of an alpha score you can be

right now. And let's let's just see, let's see what steps you can take, especially get some of

these guys like Drew holiday is always going to guard up from the, you know, size that he is. And

you're going against a guy like Camara. I was all over him. Yeah, like they just have multiple

guys that they could throw at him and stuff. So I thought he looked good at times. I'm not, you know,

what happens in the second half? I don't think anybody cares right now for teams that are in the

lottery because the jazz are literally just benching players. And so at least Cooper's out there

playing. Okay, let me, let me do the jazz. Is it time to do the jazz thing because this team,

I feel like every night they play that I'm looking at them going, what are you doing? How are we

not finding them more for what they're doing? Guys, so the jazz playing in the nuggets tonight,

jazz, we're winning this game early on. Phillipowski finishes the game as a plus, as a plus 15,

they had a 13 point lead in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Phillipowski had had 25 points like eight boards and played five minutes in the second half.

Didn't play a single minute in the fourth quarter. They had to do the, like,

best bang. Yep. The, the, the, the silent. Do didn't play a single minute in the first half.

And then plays, plays like five minutes in the third quarter, plays all 12 minutes of the

fourth quarter. There's a minus 16 in the game. And, you know, they're, they had like three

players, him and Kennedy Chandler who played at Tennessee years ago, who is not good at all.

Kennedy Chandler, when's the last time he played the NBA? I don't know, two years ago. Two years

ago, he, the last two years, he spent overseas. He does not hear. Yeah. And it's like, you know,

I think it was Elijah Harklass. I think he actually started, but like, he played all 12 minutes.

It was just funny because it's like that stuff. Like, I don't, I don't know how you, I mean,

at least the maps are out there, like, playing their guys. And how many, so our guy best,

best bang played four years at Yale, third guy, John Poliquitas. How many points of game do you

think he averaged at Yale? He's at the NBA now. He's in the NBA. So, I don't like 12.

Nine, nine point nine points that came at Yale. And now he's playing 40 minutes for the jazz

in this game, where they blew a 15 point lead in the fourth quarter. They had a 12, they had

a 13 point lead with like six minutes left in this game. And the point is against the jazz,

like, yoke, which was playing Gordon was back. Murray is playing obviously a good team,

but they sat all these dudes. The equivalent, it would be like Dallas in the game tonight.

Yes, they were winning against Portland, you know, most of the game. And then they're coming out

midway through the third and Cooper never sees the floor again. And some of these guys, and it's

bag, it doesn't bag, it doesn't play. Yeah. And it's Tyler Smith, AJ Johnson, pick a roll

through the whole fourth. And, you know, can you imagine with Tyler Smith, it's a pop, right?

There's there's no picking pop. Yes. Yeah. So, um, so yeah, I mean, circling back to Cooper,

I'm not, I'm not really pulling too much away from him. Honestly, and hardly any of these games

right now, but especially in the second half. Yeah. I mean, in the first half, the 20 points,

he showed us his versatility and his scoring, even just from two, like his ability to get to the

line. He had that one play in transition, where, you know, Dwight got a good tap out rebound,

Max Christie, the outlet passed to him, and the Cooper flag, no dribble, like just gets the ball

in transition and did just take two steps, boom, right to the rim and scores over the top of the,

of the, you know, the defense in transition. That was good. Yeah, that other play were nemhard

through that pass over the top in transition. And he caught it like a wider receiver in score.

Like that was another really good one. He's, his mid-range shot was coming back in, in,

you know, the last couple of games. He's a, he's a versatile score. He's just not hitting the three,

which is like, like, yeah, or taking them, which is a thing that we call the trees. We complain about

that every post game. Can I, can I ask you a Blazers question regarding the maps? If you could,

if you could take any single Blazers player and put them on the maps, who would you pick?

Oh, I think it's Klingon. I think Klingon was not good in this game. He had 17 boards though,

but he's been really good this season. And he's just a, you know, defend the rim, get a ton of

rebounds, can shoot the three and step out. Like, that's just a unique player that would provide such

stability for the Mavericks. Like, imagine that as a lob threat for, for flag. I think I would,

I think I would take that because what are your other options? Your other options are Denny who's an

I mean, do you think ownership would pick Klingon over? I think maps ownership would do anything.

They couldn't get Denny, but I just thought I don't want to watch Denny every night. Is that a

selfish thing for me to not want to do? Dude, I mean, nobody touched, nobody touches SGA's

muscle, but Denny is, Denny's top five. No, Denny is like the, is the like litmus test of like,

do you watch? Do you watch the games or do you watch ball? Because I assume a lot of casuals don't

watch blazers games. But if you do, then you know the Denny, the Denny whistle is the thing about

Denny's whistle and SGA's whistle is like Denny expects more of a whistle, even the SGA does.

Yeah. Man, he is just like every, every call and like trying to force the hand of the refs and like,

and then the mass broadcasts had all those stats about how Camara and CDs of Soko are like

first and fifth in the NBA and offensive fouls drawn. And so you're like, the sixth play, the

sixth man for the blazers is the refs. Yeah. Yeah. I do want to say this by clinging real quick,

because I wrote this note down, the importance of having a guy like clinging.

It feels like we went through a handful of years there. And I feel like there's probably still a lot

of like people holding on to this too, that like the big plotting space eater type of guy,

like clinging. There's like no, there's no spot for him outside of like, you know, the Joe,

you know, the like MB or Leo get your, you know, Valentinus. But like there's, I feel like there's

more and more of those guys now in the league that you just kind of need those guys in the rotation.

Like he had to play more tonight, because Rob Williams left the game with an injury and stuff.

And I thought Williams was having a decent game too. But to have a guy like clinging that you

don't have to say play 35, 40 minutes, but can you play 25 to 30, maybe 35? I don't know what

he finished with in this game. 31. I just think there's important. Now he does a lot of other things

that's not just like a typical like, hey, I want to eat up space. Like he shoots threes and he's

a good passer. And like he was all that coming out of you, Khan, him and Cooper of friendship,

by the way. But I just, it's a guy like that that I'm looking at and whenever I see, I think

there's some wings and stuff at that second. Like there's some, there's some bigs later in the

draft that are some like bigger body bigs like a Henri Vesar at UNC. And I'm like, man, could you

give like 70% of what clinging does in the NBA being like that rotational big that's like the big

body can shoot the outside shot. It's a good passer can get some boards and stuff too. But

obviously you can't rely on them to be like, unless you're yokets, you can't rely on them to be,

you know, playing 35, 40 minutes a night and then getting torched and picking roll late in the game.

I don't know. I was just, it's kind of like a, you know, like a walker, Kessler, a Zubat's, a,

you know, what Vouch has been for a long time, you know, clinging. Nurgut just kind of,

it's kind of become that he's, he was, he's been, he can't stand him. I know, but he's been good

for the jazz portal has been good besides the, you know, the back injury. He's been good on and

off for the 80 like, I mean, there was so much stuff about when Edie came into like the league of like,

dude, Edie's not going to work in the NBA. One national player of the year. Kessler the same thing.

Yeah. And it's like, there's a spot for those type of guys. Now clinging went, you know,

what top five top six or something like that in that draft, but still it's like,

so there's a spot, there's a spot in the league for those guys. And we haven't, we haven't seen,

I guess I was watching clinging tonight and I was like, man, I just haven't seen a guy with that

type of frame in Dallas for a while because, you know, they've wanted their bigs to be that

rim rolling athletic type of big. So I wonder if of the next year or so, we see a big guy like that

enter the mix for Dallas. Well, the thing about lively is he, he's big like that, but he is athletic

just because he's kind of like an athletic freak, you know, yeah. I mean, like a space eater like

a like, oh, this dude is big. I just think we forget how big lively is. Yeah. No, he is. Yeah.

He can still get like pushed around a little bit too. That's true. That's clean. Yeah. There

ain't nobody pushing him. No. No young Hansen tonight upsetting to me. No.

This Blazers team, they needed this win. They just fell under 500 again. They're ninth in the

play in like, they're back and forth with warriors. The Clippers are eighth and they're only,

they were only like a game behind them. Right now, I don't know what to make of this Blazers team

because Scoot Henderson was the number two pick by Wembee. And there were some people

arguing he should go above Wembee. That's certain times that argument is just like insane. He did

not impress me at all. Again, like this, they've got Denny's and All Star. They've got Tumani Kamara.

They've got your holiday. They've got Matisse Tybales playing Williams playing Klingons playing

Sasoko playing getting and getting those, you know, those charges. And they're not a good defensive

team. You think that this would be a really good defensive team. They're 15th of the NBA right now.

Now they've had injuries all back and forth, but man, like this is just a strange team to me.

I'm not really sure what to make of them. They're young, their young core is like, is really weird

because Shade and Sharp. Yeah, Shade and Sharp, you got Denny who's 25.

Klingon. Kamara's like 25. Yeah, Klingon. Scoot's still like 20. But they don't have like,

they don't have their Cooper. All those are like so far. But like, yeah. But what I don't

even think like, well, I don't even know what the direction of the whole team is. We don't even

know like who's going to own this team in the near future. Yeah, that's true. You know,

they're going to pick though. They right now they have the 12th pick. You know, they're going to pick

Oh, no, who? They're going to pick our boy, Yaxel. He's going to be on that team. He's just like

feels like the perfect. He's going to pick Yaxel. They're going to move Jeremy Grant. And it's

going to be the perfect, just like all switchy defensive, weird offense team. I was watching

today doing math again on his age. And I'm like, how high would I take him? But like, you know,

splitter took over as their head coach. I mean, Johnson builds literally out playing poker and

gets canned. So it's like, just what a weird kind of year for them. So who's going to be their

coach? Who's going to be run there? Who's going to own the team next year? Who's going to be

running the team? Like, it's just so much like weird stuff. Mike Smith. So you do like draft

stuff for ESPN. He's still in their front office. So yeah, I'm just, I don't know what to think of

this. I guess besides Lillard, what? I don't know. Yeah, they bring Lillard back next year. Scoot

drew holiday. Like, you could tell me they can solidate this summer and like, really just swing

for something because they got some, they got some picks from that damn trade. And this no thing.

I mean, what about which this is, it's too late in the pod to talk about this tanking crap. But

some of these tanking rules that might that could drastically change this, this coming summer

after the draft. I mean, what does it happen to a team like Portland? Like, they made these,

they made that damn trade with Milwaukee. And they're probably being sent back saying, dude,

we're about to cash out on these picks when Yannis has traded this off season. We're going to

get these bucks picks. These are going to be awesome. And now all of a sudden, they're like,

those picks might not be like the same type of picks with flat nods or whatever they land on.

And I'd be pissed if I was a team like that, paying for the jazz of sins is what they're doing.

God, don't even David Locke never say anything about the jazz. All right. Like, he can never take

up for this. Where's their jazz owner? Like, where is his tweets at right now? I need a tweet saying,

hey, Benchon Phillipowski, we just thought he was, we didn't think he was going to have a good

second half. So the best winning thing was the plant, like, put him on the bench. Oh my gosh,

what a weird, what a weird season this is. The maps. Okay. Well, the tank for the maps,

they're only a half game above the Grizzlies and half game above the, the, the pelicans, the pelicans

of 25 wins, maps of 24 Grizzlies have 24. So that's still, that's the differentiator. It's not the

lost column. It's the wind column that you got to look at in the tank race, because we've done

this so many times now, I know exactly what to look for in this. The jazz are 21 and 53. So

that's, that's three wins, different. I don't think you're catching. That's done for. Yeah,

you're not catching them now. You don't have it, especially with this. Yeah. Yeah. What,

the mass of eight games left? We're down to, we're down to count man. Jazz have eight games left.

So they got a whole, they got to hold this. It's not about catching the jazz. It's about

keep holding the line at this point. It's like mail gets in on the Patriot. Hold the line.

Got a hold line at six with the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies, you're, we need your boy. Oh, Max,

to come through. Let's go. One more win for the Grizzlies. Let's go. I need, I need a win for

my guy, Joe Mullin X and Michael Cole. And we need a win for the Grizzlies.

Dude, if Oh, Max stops a 40 burger and a win coming up soon.

Do we just appear unlocked on Grizzlies and just do their post game? We don't even tell them,

because I have their channel. We just post the, we just post the video on it. We, we drop

an emergency pod on their channel or on our channel. We try to see pod. And it's just Oh,

Max goes off for 40 with, I mean, Grizzlies win. And we just like break down Oh, Max's like game.

How funny would it be if we just posted on their channel without telling them they just were like,

dude, what is this? And we have the likes on Grizzlies, like background.

And I guess the most views they've ever passed. Do you have any Grizzlies jerseys?

I bet you do, right? You got I got a palace all. Let's go. We just show up and I just show up

in a palace all Jersey. I love how Grizzlies rest of their season Chicago. That's the one. We

need Chicago to come through. We need Chicago to come through Phoenix, the Knicks, the Raptors,

the Box April 5th. Oh, you're not ready for this Cleveland at Denver, April 10th,

830 PM Central time. Let's go. At the Utah Jazz.

Jesus is already resurrected. We need Grizzlies to win one of those three games or multiple,

the balls, the bucks, or that jazz game. They're winning that jazz game. April 10th. Count it off.

I'm selling it out. I'm so right. Phillipowski does not want oh, Max.

I'm so ready. Thanks for hanging out with us on locked on maps.

Let's go. Elite eight this weekend. Peace out.

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