Maxx Crosby To the Ravens Trade Reaction + Teams That Can Win the Offseason

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It's time to talk about the Baltimore Ravens

We're starting our glaze early this year because we're we're about to glaze the Baltimore Ravens who traded two first round picks for Max Crosby

Which is a massive transaction and I think it's really interesting to talk about the Ravens and the Raiders this but the Ravens

We should start with because they're your former team in your eyes. They've won the Super Bowl every year since 2018

And now they essentially have a pass rush

So where do you want to start with this trade? I think the best place to start for this trade is just with the impact on the field

Max Crosby's getting up there in years, but he's still incredibly effective

I believe the Ravens have had a trouble with their pass rush for a number of years

They've been trying to get green in the draft last year. They've been trying to address it. They use Van Noy as a pass rush

They had a season where they're super aggressive with the blitzing because they did not have the pass rush help that they needed

Where Kyle Hamilton was like their biggest pressure creator

And I think that adding someone who is

Allows them to not have to distort their defense in order to create pressure

And will get pressure on them. I think it's huge. It opens up not just the abilities of the players that they have

But I think their new defensive coordinator, which I guess in part will be Jesse Mender to hit coach and will be his philosophy

Yeah, it will be his philosophy and Anthony Weaver who was at Miami last year as the actual defensive coordinator

When you go into a game without the ability to create any sort of pass rush

It really limits what you're able to do and makes life a lot harder on the DBs

It forces you to blitz an important situation when you don't have to

So I think that what he's going to do this defense is incredibly impactful

So I'll steal your word

But without taking into the compensation but in a vacuum adding Max Crosby

Assuming he is healthy even though his like production drops some adding him is a win-win for this defense

Yeah, I mean he's one of those guys where I feel like also football guys talk about Max Crosby

And like the way he's able to play how bendy he is how long how weird he is to block

Because of how like crazy long he is I know Brian Baldinger calls him like the condor because of his wing span

What I'm fascinated by is actually comparing it to another trade

Which is the Michael Parsons one which is not one-to-one

Maybe I'm wrong that I viewed Michael Parsons as an asset in a slightly different tier than Crosby when he's traded

Part of that's age part of that's the fact that Parsons like walked in the door as like one of the best pass rushers

Like of his generation

His production was incredibly complete from his first to the last snap in Dallas

Similar to first round pick trade when you looked at what Parsons did for the defense when he was like that A1

Batman pass rusher how much easier it made for it made everyone else's job

Yeah, do you think that came into consideration seeing the fact that when you have someone who can win

It felt like Parsons could win like almost every rep for them

It made the rest of the defensive linemen better in green bays at the point that they're like

All right, well, you know, we're not gonna have quite a walker in that kind of ration

We can replace those guys I probably made their secondary better made made all their off-ball guys better when you see Crosby

Is that someone do you think he has the the capacity with him coming back him coming there Mattabique coming back to make

Kyle Hamilton's life considerably easier because they're basically the entire defense goes as he's gone

Rowquan Smith get more out of Wiggins, you know more like a last gasp out of Humphrey who's not you know they don't have to cover as long

All these things just become simpler. Yeah, I think comparing it to them the

Micro Parsons trade is the obvious one because of the compensation because of the position and because of the potential impact

Obviously, he's not micro Parsons either. I don't think the impact will be as large but I think that's the concept

And I don't think it has to be right as large to help this team

They've been trying I think I made this point but they've been trying to figure this position out

They've been trying to draft it. They've been trying to sign guys to figure this position out

It's the most probably the most sought after position. It's the most important position on defense

Yeah, we talk about the big nickel stuff like I mean tights did this on our show a year ago

And he's like how do you look at the value chart of the NFL? Right start the quarterback who's what makes life most difficult on the quarterback

Dominant past Russia. That's the guy you get the second biggest contract. How do you stop that guy left that and onward and onward

It's all stems from that and like seems like it's become hypervalued in in recent years with how quarterback dominant the league has become

And if you have a guy I think a lot of this is a little bit obvious once you hear it

But you need to be reminded of it when you have a guy that can't be blocked one-on-one

What it does for you defensively is it limits the play calls that you'll see from the offense

And it also forces the offense to adjust in order to block that guy

So when you're running a blitz per se you know that the line is probably going to be sliding towards your best past Russia

You know to run the blitz the other way to get somebody on the back

Like it just makes everything clearer reduces the flexibility for the offense and it improves your defense

You know we saw last year that there was so much quit game for the um for the Packers like their cornerbacks were sitting on routes

And they look so physical yeah the cornerbacks and look so physical they look so good because they were like look

I know that the opposing quarterback and opposing coach does not feel confident that they can block

Micah Parsons for more than two seconds. So they're gonna throw something short

Or a go like they're not gonna run intermediate complex scheme

So if the Ravens are are able to add that or are able to take those opportunities away from defense

Is just in their concepts alone just as they come into the game. I think that makes a defensive ton better

Of course we have to get into the fact that it was for two first round picks

And it's reasonable to argue that that's an overpay

Which I think in isolation maybe you could say that but it's not an isolation like I see this as a team

That recognizes that it's their time to win now they're going all in it's a bit of dragging your some of your winning

Your super bowl probability from the future to the present which I think is smart given that

That they have Lamar Jackson that we think is still in his prime right now

This is the window that they have to win a championship

So the value that are we sure he says prime? Yeah, I mean I

Think last year you could not you car last year was a different year for Lamar Jackson relative to the other two or the previous

Several years, but he also had injuries last year and the highs were still there

And I guess that's what happens sometimes as you can't hold it more consistently

But I think the worry is that you'll lose Lamar Jackson when you lose that lettuce and that lettuce is still there

Yeah, I mean last year he did not want to run nearly as well, which was a huge part of it

And he had his he had a down years to use under contract for two more years

Do you want to know what chat GPT would sit that you're going to say about this trade? Sure

Two first round pick sounds like a lot, but it's actually the price of certainty

That's GPT is much more concise than I am

And I don't believe it is certainty I think that's where it's wrong

I think my job is safer now because it's not certainty

It's it's increasing your likelihood, which I think is the right move to me

Am I going to be doing the show against chat GPT?

No, no, the last one I just was wondering because you were we look for off top saying I got time

No, no, no, I don't hate it. I'm not argued against it

I just think that it's I was wondering I need to heads up

I make my points a little tighter because I keep looking over and you're a computer like what is he doing?

That's it. I'm done with it. I think that's the argument

And you might call me out for fighting ghosts, but my guess is given the history of the Ravens

They've never traded it made a trade like this in the past. It's not first time pick period.

It's certainly not too. It's not something that they do normally

And they are a model of the top of the league kind of well run organizations

The Ravens are it and if they had never done it before suggested maybe it's not something they should start doing now

But they also have never had a player like Lamar and been in this situation

There's an easy argument against it, but I think the obvious answer is it's the right move

If you believe that it's going to improve your defense the way that I think it will

What do you think it has to be to be a success this trade?

Is it going to be a result of process driven because I think we can go back to the process of it

But like this is a team that's made the AC championship

They've flamed out in the playoffs whether it's by bad performances by Lamar

Drops by Mark Andrews random bad luck et cetera et cetera

They're the team that like even when they lose in the playoffs

Or cohort like they were the best team

Yeah, I mean, I think this is where the friction between process of results

I think really the rubber hits the road because you can't say that

Your process of results person and also

Believe that I guess there's an argument to make that this is the right process

But I think in a in a raw way to look at this the compensation was too high for a player like this at this point

At this age however, I think the results matter and the results that matter to me is does this immediately improve the defense

That's I was I kind of agree with you on that I think it's like

Even if they had like a random bad bounce the Austin division were around again

But if Max Crosby makes the defense so much better and all the guys you feel so much better about the roster about it

I still think like

Back to our vacuum I still in a vacuum that's a successful trade

It's like the rest of stuff around it and the other roster moves the other bad bounces are

I think it's it's about what you're expecting if you get the result that you expect and I think they're expecting the things that we laid out at the top of the show

And if they get those back and they happen to lose in a playoffs for some other reason then

And I think the I think it was a good trade

We think so even if it's like if it's this team that's that

Good wins third I know they didn't win 13 games last year a lot of stuff went wrong

The defense looked really bad the interior office of line which still needs to be fixed by the way

And this trade makes it harder to fix right maybe maybe they could have taken the Penn State Guard at 14 if you want to board

Which is like something a legitimate factual of this draft

That's a resign Rashon Gary draft that guy at 14 see what you can do around or see if you can get even Hendrickson on a sort of

Team friendly one-year deal on who knows that's the counterfactual that makes me second guess my belief that this was the right move to make

Is imagine and I don't think Rashon Gary is that type of player that's going to change your defense

But the assumption is

You're hoping that Max Crosby takes your defense to a top of the league defense. I think Rashon Gary

The hope is that he sustains your defense and gives you some support that you expect to be like

High in middle of the pack topic type of defense

And then you improve the guard play which was a big problem for you and you improve the coaching with mentor

Yeah, that's a yeah, that's a counterfactual that I could understand someone making the argument for

Just making the argument that you shouldn't have signed him and not addressing that issue that's been like

It's been killing him for years now

I think is the problem you present something that sounds like a reasonable facts Emily that's not what they did though and I like what they did

Yeah, I think so

What would you say if like a fan or like send an analysis as a any year?

Like assuming there's not some other crazy move or it's not like you know a contender that is

We don't realize yet has just like emerged and it's considered really better never in the AFC

We should get to the AFC big picture stuff at some point but like

Success their failure this team loses in the first or second round again

How it like even like it doesn't actually really change the outcome of this

But a fan is like this was stupid. This was never the problem to begin with so I they won't be wrong

Like if they don't win if they lose in the first round

It's gonna be a failure

They're gonna think they would have thought as a failure with or without Max Krosby

It's a bigger failure if you pay two first round picks and you lose in the first round

But what I have a problem with is and this is where the process result friction comes up is I get how the result is

Ultimately what matters in this league and in this sport and I'm not a process only type of guy because I do believe the results matter

But you have to kind of evaluate it in the situation and you're gonna make fun of me because I like to do probabilities

But I already brought it into the conversation once

I think you have to evaluate it that way is like how much of you increased your chances right now

That's all we can do how much of you increased your chances of winning a Super Bowl

And since the the future with Lamar in particular might be a little bit grey

Like right now is it's their window or at least the end of a particular

What's that you think this is like we're towards the end of the Lamar window

I think we're towards the end of this particular core window

I think other people believe more than me that maybe there's a different I see Lamar agent just fine as a quarterback

Obviously he's not going to be this MVP level forever in the last two years before this year

We're as you played as well as anyone's ever played

I don't see a clip of the season I don't see him falling off a cliff and the amount of running that he's done

Athleticism is always going to be part of his game even if it's not long runs down the field

Which he doesn't do those nearly as much unless they really need him when that fades his game is going to change

We even saw it with like last year

But I just mean other quarterbacks like Aaron Rogers athleticism seems to be gone

And it's really made it more difficult his arm talent seems to still be there

But I think his willingness to take a hit in his ability to escape the pocket

And create like second plays and within one play is gone

And that's killed a lot of what Aaron Rogers productivity is so that'll happen to Lamar

So that's interesting then so you you'd be cool with the reset of him in his early 30s

Rather than trying to like continue not like only reason I said that is because if you feel really good about him aging well

You're giving up to first for two year window at the past russia that like is sort of going in all all in now

So to me that I just wondered if that was something about how the Ravens viewed their window and how the Ravens viewed their roster

You have to start that with Lamar yeah, I think you have to combine so I think there's two things that you need to add this conversation

And make it a little bit different as it's not just about his physical

Deterioration which is going to happen every player. I think you have to look at how last season went

Yeah, and how the end of last season went where it felt like and maybe

Getting a new coach and all that was all that needed to happen

We didn't even know if he's gonna be on the team right there was a time when that was out there like that was a real thing

And so like I think that is what I'd be that's more why I'm like yeah, we got to go in now interesting

That'll be interesting like that to me seems more like a personal possibility than him being a bad quarterback

That didn't cross my mind. I just thought that like it was like last year

He was worse

Yeah, considerably worse his social media behavior behavior as of late suggests that he's really happy with the things that are happening

With the Ravens right now so like I think that he's probably in a better place

He never really said that he wasn't in a good place. It was all the reporting around that was like they were happy with them

They're talking about him not showing up to stuff and not being completely bought in in a way and that would be the Baltimore son article by then people

Refuted it being like this guy just has done hatch jobs in the past and then all the it seemed like all of his teammates took his side

Once hard I got fired and we're like this is you know start of a new thing. Yeah, right so that may not be a problem going forward

But that is what was in the back of my mind is like they don't know how many more years they have left and they know that whatever the decisions that they've made it feels like

Consistent with things that he wants and right now you go in and so is he like the most powerful player in the league now where it's like I was gonna

Harbour and then I was thinking that I was saying that back when he got rid of Harbour but then Josh Allen popped up and I was like oh he seems like it felt more

Josh like he was he's crushing into the joke where he's press conference. Yeah, like that felt more and it's all speculative

But that felt more like always going back to Josh Allen and Lamar. I mean that is that's the core of this league is

It's Apollo Creed and Rocky. Yeah, except Josh is the big strong one

Um, yeah

Those two seem I mean this is it is gonna be big for both of them right and big for

Both of their GM's in front offices because they both been really aggressive with the decisions that they've made and they both see this as

An all-in moment whether my homes are healthier or not I think they all go in but I think it doesn't hurt that my homes is not gonna be in for at least early portion

Like what do you think about I mean like it seems like the chiefs I my greed on this side is it feels like gap year for them like Duffy trade what

Homes coming off an a sale in LCL like we talked about this last show and I agree it feels like gap year

But we last time we thought it was got year they won a Super Bowl last year last time we thought it was a gap year for the Celtics now they might win the NBA championship

Who knows

But like the reason I said is like if if I'm looking around at the AFC like you can talk about when it's right to go all in

In in a team's life cycle is this the right time for the Ravens or have they have they done it perfectly or the bills who like with their with their desperation DJ more trade but like

Genuinely you're looking at the AFC and you're like holy

Drake may play this worst three games and made the Super Bowl with this really flawed team because of the schedule and he be Jared

Stidem in the AFC championship game like if it was ever more open if it was ever more like of a black box of a conference

Where if you make your roster really good you can go to the Super Bowl. It's now right again. We thought like two years ago

We're like oh my god. You have to get through Alan Jackson Mahomes and burrow. It's gonna be one of those four every single year and it's like well now

It seems like burrows team is pretty far away. It seemed like the bills were further broke bills and Ravens were further away last year

And Mahomes is maybe maybe on the shelf free you're not in the homes like the homes and the chiefs and maybe on the shelf for a year

Sorry, I'm gonna go I would never intimate that that Mahomes isn't playing next year

Relax how

Yeah, it's interesting because you're asking these questions and you're having a good time

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I see but anyway, you were going to say that but I I'd like to hear your position on it

You think this was a good decision or nah, I

You just want to make one of my my opinions. No, no, I think I think it I mean, I don't think it's

Clear necessarily like I think it was a good decision. I think I'll make the team better

Okay, but I don't think like the value is like clear. I don't think it's like a slam dunk

Okay, I think you could you could argue both sides

I think it was a slam dunk for the Raiders right I think it was a better decision for the Raiders than it was for the Ravens

I think they're in the wilderness and now they have

Potentially a franchise quarterback coming in Mendoza. They have a second first round pick each of the next two years and like

We thought that was going to be one of the worst organizations in football and and now at least they have a chance

They have a pathway. They have a door and the Ravens I think is like it's much more complicated

Yeah, I think the Raiders yeah, it's in arguable that the Raiders had no use for Max Crosby. They have a direction now

Yeah, so that that I think is is less to talk about there

We'll see how it works out with the decisions that they made, but I want to take it back to the Ravens

To evaluating the Ravens playing the result here. They win the Super Bowl

Like I want to take I want to like pin you down and it's not just you. It's just the general public

I feel like this is the the conversation where this

People are happy for Max Crosby to be there and think that is a good fit. It's gonna work out

But it does so much that's personality too. Yeah, it's a perfect rate

He is he he fits right in but it does feel like there's a

segment of like the

The football smart guys that are like oh you pay too much and I think you made in our pre show

You made a good argument for why you should stick to your like

Whatever your draft value chart is is like that's where analytics actually pays with the student

It's what I think is like the most interesting thing about analytics and football is just that there are more roster decisions

than there are in like basketball and I mean I know baseball is the minor leaks up

But you have right considerations about the 40 man who you're gonna keep prospect etc etc etc

But like in football with without guaranteed contracts the 50 with 53 players in the roster and assuming you have one carry over year to year with the quarterback

And like a couple franchise players you have more room to win on the margins of football year after year making the right decision

That's sort of how how he roseman has made a lot of decisions if he wins 2% on each transaction eventually builds up and they have

You know a roster that we look at in the 2024 Eagles and like that's one of the best rosters we've seen in the last two decades and

So like if you were to say to me don't like the all-in and making continue to make smart good choices eventually

That's the that's the way to win or that's the way to build a roster like I totally understand it

I think that is the analytics advantage and like the risk that how he would take is with like he trades right

I know but I mean the risk that he does take our kind of low

Like low costs high reward risk. Yes, like moving a pass or moving an edge rusher to off the ball linebacker

Like it might turn out to be incredibly good using a second round pick on a quarterback

Which is a higher amount of trade the first-round pick for AJ Brown

Yeah, that's it. It's just a really good thing when it was basically the value of the I think it was the 18th pick

It was the trail on Berks pick right because they didn't want to pay because I guess the Titans didn't want to pay him

But and I think that's the point for me at least is

At some point if you're going you can just have a robot making these decisions

I think that there are like over the course of your time your tenure as a general manager running a team

I think you're right like make the smart value decisions every time you can

But there's some you're not going to like financially win every trade

There's sometimes where you have to overpay. I think about it like buying concert tickets. It's like yeah

This this aftermarket is gonna cost me more than the face value of of this concert

But I really like this artist more than whoever is selling the tickets. It's worth doing and I think

That I feel the same way about some of these trades, which is why it kind of runs me the wrong way when we use the same

Analysis like the same draft value analysis chart to evaluate a trade and say you lost this trade because you actually

Based on this chart you paid more than you should have. Yeah. No, no

I get that and I think that like discipline like you the Ravens could have been disciplined in one

Games for the next decade and like there's there's times to take risk and

Like good gamblers make big bets when I think that they have perceived odds that they're in their favor

And that might say more about the conference

They might more say about where they think they are in the life cycle this team or how they want to count out to them

I mean, there's a we don't know that's sort of a black box for us of how I've what went into making this decision for them

And it's not no for pay if they if they end up winning, but I think you know, I don't know this one's it's it's complicated

It's definitely it's it's complicated. He's a huge impact player and like I actually think that like

Their defense is going to be way way better with him

Which is how I would have evaluated it

But then it's also like you like we should look at some of the other

Multiple pick big trades like the sauce gardener trade last year. We were like whoa

Bad trade, but I think immediately that one is easier because again

The reason why I say that trade was bad was not because of how much it cost although that was part of it

Was because I didn't think that team was as close as that team thought they were. Yeah, like I don't hate that

That trade if if they are like on the verge and they feel like they need sauce gardener to give them that defensive flexibility

Get over the top. I didn't think they were that close

So I didn't think it was a great trade. I love paying big money or big compensation for cornerbacks

But and also sauce gardener is very good. Yeah, he's not Patrick Sartane

Yeah, he's not locked down. We can turn all our attention away from him

And I you know, I do think that like you know the Micah trade even though he tore his ACL like I still think that was great trade

Great trade

In process and results even they didn't win the Super like they you know, I we saw it

It was totally transformative to the defense

But also I don't think anyone thought that two first rounds was two first round picks for too much for

Possibly the best like pure pass rusher and the league and his early door in his mid 20s like 26

Yeah, no one thinks that that was too much, but you you've really managed to dodge all of the question

No, I don't know. That's why I'm gonna hit you with this question. I'll answer it

I was my initial reactions like damn. That's a lot. Yeah, I thought about it more and if I were

Erick DeCosta would I make that trade is the question that I'll ask to make sure that you cannot wiggle out this anymore

They call you and they say two first round picks do you say yes or do you say no? I would say yes

I

Think I would say no. Yeah

I'd say have a one in a three. Okay. No, it's not a negotiation. You don't get you don't get to walk away with

Max Crosby the point is either you get a boy you don't and you're saying no and I'd say like how about how about one in a three Tom?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you still you still are trying to find a way to avoid

Make it the firm decision. It's not the question isn't a one or three the question is you take this trade or do you like the

The trade that you propose or the other avenue you propose is signage on Gary

We don't know what he's gonna get but he's probably gonna get a good amount of money in drafting a guard

That's the those are the choices sign Gary draft a guard or don't sign it in draft a guard and make the trade for

Max Crosby you don't get to pretend like you're gonna negotiate them down

Future hair transplants a thousand units of Botox and a first and a third fine. All right, he says yes

No trade no trade you're not getting it no trade. I just want to take the other side

I mean, I'm honestly unsure because like I you don't have to take that aside. We explored it all everything's on the table

I just was wondering which would actually do it's like right on the line

That's one of the most interesting. I know that's why you got to make a choice. You're refusing to make the choice

I'm I'm trying the ESPN model. I'll stand or I'll stand by it when if it goes all the right

I'll be like damn I blew that trade, but you gonna be like not see I told you and if it works out

You say see I would have got it for a one in a three. I'm a discipline coward

Oh gosh, so what do you think about the time they did this like getting to the

Waiting towards the end of the life cycle because I

Was I root for a team that quote-unquote went all in in Washington at the quote at the beginning of a lifestyle and did it

Life cycle and they didn't a really dumb way for a window

But like would you have liked to see this move when Lamar was 26 or 27 because he's already won like a bunch MVP

Isn't was the best one of the three best players in football and they were so close. No

No, I don't I mean, I think that they had super we've said like this was this is the joke like they've had superbow caliber teams for

Much of Lamar's career and they haven't won so like I think had they gone all in

earlier when they were

13 and four I would have been like why are you trading this first round picks like this team was good enough to win the superbow

Just had bad luck. They didn't get across the line

And you're trading these future picks. You're shortening your window like I would have been surprised and disappointed in those in that trade at that time

This feels like more of a time where the trade makes sense where it feels like all right

We're gonna have to sign an extension at some point

We're gonna have to make some new decisions at some point right now. This is our chance to go all in

I like it as a move now. I don't like it earlier. I agree. I asked uh, oh god. I asked Chatchy PT what I would say

And uh

They said that I would talk about it in the real question isn't the picks. It's the window. It's about yeah

They know that you would hide from it and not make a choice. Yeah

This is scary. I was where we first started show. I was gonna say my job is safe

The job is less safe now. Wow. How are we different yet? I saw if I got to go wild curveball now

Yeah, we're gonna have to really

Re-evaluate our opinions and yours that you're you're supposed to say too late round first is the price of certainty

And I am supposed to say too first and a lot and then we move on

So I guess it's time. It's uh, I guess it's time to ask the final questions about this for sure

When you've looked before you go to the rest of the agency stuff is

When you've looked around the league

About teams that have gone all in or haven't gone all in and have missed windows

Is there like a lesson you've learned from that because I think right now we're an interesting spot

We just talked about the dip in the ASC, but we've also seen

The Rams

Go

Afterwards and then revealed but they went all in they want a Super Bowl and they might be doing it again where they are

Made this McDuffy trade and I'm sure they're gonna continue to make moves to improve

Already one of the complete rosters. Do you think about

Team like the Cowboys do you think about Cowboys come to mind as a team that has like

Statistically, they've been really good for a long period of time

But never really had any playoff success which I think you would argue that over that period of time

One of these times they would have gotten lucky and gone on a run or things were broken in their favor

And you would say like hey, don't have to go all in

But the windows are so small the opportunities is so short looking back on it

I think that's the way that

Sometimes I think I've said this to you before is sometimes the way that I try to make decisions is like

What bad result would I be comfortable with like and I think

I would be a lot more comfortable having gone all in and things not working out then

Thinking that like I have I got a state of course, which may be the wrong instinct

But believing like

Trust the process stay the course like I understand and agree with that

But I think the difference is that ability at some point or that confidence or security at some point to be like you know what

This doesn't add up exactly the way it's supposed to add up

But I know we need this and this will put us over the top where this will give us a chance

I'd be much happier having made the move

And it cost me then not make the move and it cost me assuming you don't win a Super Bowl on either out

I rather not win a Super Bowl

Having tried some

Yeah, I mean we saw that like how close the 49ers were are they traded from a cafe they

Traded up to get trade lance it didn't work out, but like I like that as a strategy

Because I think one of the things that we talk about is organizational stability and why the Ravens are so good is because they don't do

Like this often, but I don't I think the problem is you get into a place where you're like no

I have to be computer man. I can never do that. That's how computer guys

That's not what I think like good leadership is. I think good leadership is being whatever the Ravens do

It's well played. I lose this around

This one's for you. I hope they win Super Bowl

Hey, I'm gonna remember this because you don't get the Max Crosby gets 15 sacks

And it's the best defensive football you don't get to come back around and give me any credit that I

Not allowed

I know but that that was funny I heard my feelings because it was good

It's not whatever the Ravens do. So whatever Aussie does. Yeah, simple. So whatever Aussie does

I earned the cost that gave Aussie a call to most like hey Aussie was about this Aussie was walking on the treadmill

Caught in yeah, that was Aussie out. I'm a start doing that walking uphill. Yeah, that's how Aussie every morning would be

With all his papers on the treadmill limping uphill cuz yeah, it's some knee surgeries and that's the key as the secret key to be

Is it like the thing like it's like that's way better than you for you than you lift a color running on the treadmill doing like 30 minutes uphill

It's so boring. Not if you bring your work with you. I like Mina watches all of her reality TV on the treadmill

Yeah, and I'm like I tried I've tried to do like the walk uphill and like watch love is blind only dogs only dogs like Aussie and Mina can do it

Yeah, I just like I don't have that dog in

I'm not a super achiever

Not like them. It's like I just think we just found out that

Mina kind of is the Aussie decent

That's not good ahead of ourselves. She's good. Yeah, but can I take the team that I wish had gone all in and like I know

They're so close, but it feels like they're at the end. It's kind of it's for me

It's the Lions and I know they made like a million right decisions

But just I was thinking about that with Montgomery trade and like

How close they were to winning a Super Bowl and like the stuff that Dan Campbell said about it and maybe the the offensive line will be

As improved next year and Tislaw will break out none of this matter and it'll seem stupid, but like

That offense was so fun to watch an aesthetic for like the last like three or four years and they were

They finished fourth in an incredible AFC North this year and it just feels like that window

If they could have found a past rush or if Aden rushes

It didn't get hurt and they had a past rush or next to him could have been

Like a Super Bowl team

They never were able to make that big final swing to get there. Yeah, I mean

The decisions that Brad Holmes made up into this point were good and I think one of the keys to

A really good front office and coaching staff is like the flexibility

I think they were setting up for a rebuild when they got Jared golf and like the flexibility to be able to shift into like going after it

Because I assume that they didn't think that

Jared golf was going to be their long-term answer at quarterback

But they did and they shifted into a pretty fast rebuild and you're right like looking back on that

I think it would have been nice. I don't know what the exact move is

I think you're right like another end to improve that defense. That was like a man heavy defense would have been

Nice, but they tried so many things around around the edges of finding that and then obviously the Hutchinson broken leg

Effected a lot of the plans too and they were so injured on defense the year that

They never had the benefit of a quarterback on a rookie deal

Yeah, which is like it's funny that we have so many quarterbacks on rookie deals in the league right now

I'm not sure it's the advantage that

It used to be where you have quarterbacks playing well on rookie on rookie deals, but

Every team I think wants to have that move that they feel like swings their odds and max crossby well

I think does swing the odds

I'm looking forward to seeing who has those opportunities going forward. They're the favorite now in the UFC

They are yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean

Everybody loves the Ravens except for you

I just I get appropriately excited about the Ravens. That's it

You're not appropriately excited about this trade you're acting like there's two ways to think about it

Now you're right. There's two ways to think about it. It's like it's so right on the line

Like I wonder if you had a value chart and it was like this is like directly on

I think we're there ones when you win the trade and you're like this is in the green we're called in

Caught like called in this idiot GM has called me like, but I think that all the stuff that we talked about at the top of the show

Is what puts it over the line is you're not just paying for this plan of course

You're paying for what this player means to the rest of the players on your defense and how it improves your team

But whatever you know what effort I'm in

All right, good. You can come to the parade and no party

I think if any team won the Super Bowl what I get to invite to the party

I feel like the Ravens is the only team that I might actually the Broncos

I don't think I get to invite the whole regime is different now the Ravens might be the only team

That's still has the same regime from when I play so we got a room for the Ravens. We got to go to the after party

I'm in a room for the commanders, but

I know when you begin Ravens vs commander. There's the after party whether you win or lose. There's always after party

I've gotten to plenty of commanders laws after

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Let's talk about

A couple teams that we're on the Eva free agency when you hear this free agency will be starting today in the monday

You're we're recording this on Sunday and so we don't know all the deals they're gonna happen

We'll update you as this happen as as they come in but

I think an interesting way to look at this is teams that can swing the upcoming season

Based on how free agency in the draft and offseason goes of teams like you know

So there's going to be a team that surprises. It's not just all playoff teams

But a lot of them are somewhat predictable and so I have

Three teams you have three teams and who are who are teams that you think could leave the offseason and really swing the outcome of the NFL season

We'll go one for one right. I think the the Texans are to top my list of teams that could swing offseason

And part because they're defense. They're not really losing anybody

I think they they might resign a tackle

But that's the only like a interior defensive alignment is the only person only thing they need to address on their defense that was

Perfect last year that defense going to keep them in a bunch of best unit on either side of the ball in the NFL

And I know the sea hawks have historically great defense. Oh, yeah, superball

I agree wholeheartedly with you and I think that defense is going to be back

Of course, this is injury sliders off. We can't predict how that's going to

Turn out, but they have a good receiving core. They added Montgomery to the backfield, which I think helps

But there's one big issue. Well, I guess two issues depending on how you view it

But it's the offensive line in particular the interior of that offensive line needs to be addressed

Which also is tied to the quarterback and see I was wondering if you're going to mention that yeah

The last time we saw him play football like

It was something that

My perception of him as a quarterback has changed because of that day seeing him play that game against that Patriots team where

Drag may kept fumbling the Patriots couldn't do anything against that Texan's defense the only way the Patriots

We're going to score was if CJ Stroud was going to turn the ball over and like

He he looked

McCarthy in well, let me remind you look McCarthy in I'll help your argument

Steelers gave me was bad in that too. I because I remember distinctly

Picking the Texans to beat the Patriots in part because it's like CJ Stroud can't play that bad in two games in a row

Like then he went out and played worse. So it's fair

However, I think that we have enough good

Tape to be like he's not bad. I think there's a little party that thinks he might suck because of that game

No, that he could never he couldn't have regressed and that there was a knockback. He's cut really come down to earth

Yeah, I mean, I think that there's an easy story to believe that he regressed and a lot of times a regression for quarterbacks in particular

It's tied to like insecurity in the pocket around offensive line and he's yet to have a good offensive line

So yes, he could have regressed it could be a result of the offensive line

I guess none of it matters all that's true

But I do believe that he's still as a talent you can look back at his tape last year

And see a bunch of really impressive plays and throws the problem is he was in situations where he had really ugly ones too

So I think we

We probably anchored ourselves to the first season which honestly going back which I said last year wasn't as good as we remembered it

Because it was like a really surprising good season him and Anderson were surprisingly really good early on Anderson

Of course, I think is on a Hall of Fame trajectory

But I think CJ Stroud is like

A high middle quarterback is interesting to one if you read draft that draft. Oh, yeah

No, maybe not who else is in that draft is Bryson

It was Bryson. I'm sure it's Stroud. There were no good quarterbacks there. We're like late in that draft

I mean, I think the way Anderson impacts the game is incredible. So yeah, it's I think you take Anderson over Bryson Stroud right now

Which probably wouldn't have last year to take Stroud because the quarter was great draft because that was then it went

Anthony Richardson joy still out

Devon Devon withers wins that draft B. John Jalen Carter Jamira Gibbs Christian Gonzalez Jack Campbell JSN

How'd you suck me into a red draft? We're not doing a red draft. We're not a little eventually

Well, we'll never do a red draft. I mean, it's they are a fascinating team because they're defensive

Like if it gets figured out if he if Stroud can play well if that offensive line can

Can like change things and like yeah, maybe some of that scar tissue goes away that that game was just crazy because obviously the weather was

Oh, no, I think the Broncos game with the weather so bad to like I know the weather was bad in that game too

It was it was wet in that game also

But it honestly felt like if they threw the ball zero times they would have had a better offense like zero

Yeah, the defense was put in a mean shape or put in a mean good

Like if they just run for consecutive push pushes or three in punting and see if the

Let's get some first down my first ones the Vikings. Yeah

Brian Flores is back

They have excellent coaching on both sides of the ball with KSC

They obviously have Justin Jefferson. They are able to manufacture offense

They have one big question. It's the same as the Texans which is the quarterback and

Maybe they're the team when you're listening to this that sign Kyler Murray and the whole Kyler Murray discussion

Like I understand that they're flosses. It's gotten so weird given the given the quarterback situation

The idea of him on like a one million dollar deal where he cuts like one million dollars against your cap

Or like having that or JJ McCarthy is crazy the upgrade that could be there and it's like

Are they just like hiding in plain sight that we're going to look up and it's like oh

There are 12 win team again and Flores is coaching this defense to be crazy and Kyler's

The comeback player of the year or they trained for Mac Jones who we know can play in a system like that and he's like very

competent in that and like it's just a huge upgrade and the team is immediately like very very good again

Yeah, I don't think they're hiding though. I mean I think

I think we all expect that they are the team

They were last year and they are this year that we feel like it's a quarterback away

And I mean with Daryshaw hopefully fully healthy and playing well like they have a good offensive line and

That's that's a huge thing because I think that gives you more flexibility with what you do offensively

But yeah, that the defense is gonna be good assuming Brian Flores will be able to coach him up

He doesn't really put bad defenses on the field so

Yeah, I think that's it's not a whole bunch of

They just

You might have changed some he might have softened after his time in Miami

Did I opinion of that because I felt like at that time we all were like hey coaches don't be

But things have fallen apart in Miami sense and I felt like maybe people going back like hey

Maybe they need an asshole. That was the funniest thing that Stephen Ross is like we need a disciplinary

kind of

Mike McDaniel and then you had like Raheem Mostard being like he didn't command enough respect

That was that wasn't fair though. Well, whatever

All right, my other team is is a bit of a cheat though

I guess it's the bills if you get away with the Vikings I can say the bills. Oh, yeah

I mean the bills they have Jim Leonard taken over the defense and he's coming from the Broncos

Obviously the defense is where they need more help considering the fact that they re-sign my government

Maybe they'll sign the guard Edwards to or they'll find someone else like Isaac say my little there their guards available

I'm less concerned about them addressing that position for the great offensive line

They traded a second-round pick for DJ Moore, which I'd like to move

Would it happen now when I'm looking at these other holes? I'm thinking like hey sure would have been nice to have a second-around pick

To address some of these defensive um shortcomings, but yeah, we're trying Johnson

Yeah, but the the defensive issues are interesting to me because assuming Jim Leonard is trying to run something similar to what they did with the Broncos

Like it's a 3-4 with good pass rushers and a lot of man coverage

So like that's the big difference is they didn't have the greatest man corners

I think heristin will be fine in that situation

We'll see whoever else taking sign. So I think

Signing free agents at corner and through the draft will really help me feel more confident about this defense

I wonder if they feel secure with their receiving court now. I hope they do like you don't trade away that second-round pick

And then still think you have to sign a big free agent receiver, but maybe they do

Go get Mike Evans get another one sign bring back digs

Yeah, that's not happening sign Alec Pierce

Yeah, I mean Rashichi he has has Alec Pierce become the most underrated and overrated receiver

Coming into this. I mean, I think Alec Pierce. I love him. Yeah, he's great. He's got to be a commander

That'd be I would love that. Yeah, that would be awesome. We'll see. Oh

I mean, I'm underrated then it'll work perfectly like the deep ball throwing of

Jane Daniels and Alec Pierce

Taking a root off the defense Alec on one side scary Terry on other. Yeah, super bowl championship

I mean, I just want to get offence

I just want to get offence. Yeah, that's my next team the commanders where we're gonna

Swing the out. I'm just yeah. Okay, so a lot of locks you lost a lot of holes. Yeah, not a quarterback. No

um

You know what this isn't really interesting one

The Seahawks now they handled their offense

Because obviously they're a funnel to JSN to begin with but they have they didn't franchise tag

Kenneth Walker

It's a really weird running back draft really weird not saying that that's everything but

The I think there's a world where if they don't

Handle this off season and find another pass catching option shaheeds gone Kenneth Walker is gone

Where despite the fact that they're incredibly well-coated to the Super Bowl champions we have

So much more faith in Darnold and JSN

I'm particularly done on what we did last year and the demons are gonna be excellent where

If I kind of think if they don't nail the the offseason offensively they could be a considerably

Less special team next year. I mean they're gonna lose mafia and like job and reek no kubiak

Yeah, mafia to the the past Russia job and reek are the corners that I mean

I know that reek will and was like on the outs, but like he's still a good player

They their team is gonna change is gonna look different. I think the

this is

Long story short their quarterback is

Is not a top of the league quarterback. Yeah, and this is why the

Marginor aerosol slim for teams that win how much less faith do you have in them without kubiak there?

I don't know. I'm not sure that my faith in him

Because I don't think they yeah

I

Wasn't all that high on him. Yeah, so like I don't

I don't think the kubiak thing matters as much like he's showing that he could play well under kubiak

He played well with koc and with the weapons there

I think the running game is the most important part. I think he needs that that helps him out a great deal

So that's why the margin is so slim for them is a great quarterback allows you

To get away with a lot more and he's not great

And I don't think anybody would argue that he's great even though he's a super bowl champion

That's why it's interesting is to your point about making a bunch of little decisions right

They can't afford to make too many wrong decisions like you could you could blow a bunch of decisions

If you have a top of the league quarterback which which they don't yeah

If you want to hear someone just talk about sam d'arnal being a top of the league quarterback

Listen to the right time with bomani john's all he all he does is talk about how sam d'arnal is the is the best

Check out his super bowl. Oh

That's not true

You're gonna have somebody disappointed when they go there. He starts calling them same

Do you have anymore? Oh, I mean, I think I want it

I felt like those are a little bit easy. So I threw the giants in there too. I think the giants was fascinating

Yeah, I think that you assume that they've had upgraded the coaching staff

Assume that all their young you a job grade right horrible. Yeah, right

But I mean all this is win and run a program in a professional manner

And all their young players get a year older they have

One really good offensive lineman and this feels like the quarterback who's

Turns his brain into mashed potatoes on a weekly basis a running back who was

Uh as fun as it gets, but had his ankle go the wrong way

They have muleek neighbors who was walking with a cane two months after ACL surgery

But when he played was probably a top five receiver in the NFL over his first 20 games

It's a really and they can get after the quarter back. Yeah, they have a lot of the difficult the hardest things

They already have the

The only problem with them is the quarterbacks young and

They need the same thing that everyone else needs

O lineman

And so like they have a left tackle which is hard to find

But it feels like this year a lot of the teams and I'm like hey if they could just fix this

All of them is like guards and centers and you add the bears in there also and that's the same thing that I think

the the giants need but

How fun were they when they were healthy before it like it got like real old at the yeah

Just seeing the dark dark going to the blue tent a lot but like

It was really fun when him and scatibu were playing dar was good even all the way through like he's

He can clearly play um yeah, and I think it's it all is built around taking the pressure off of him

And so he doesn't feel like he has to like make all these plays and the defense

I think has a really good foundation with that front four so

That if I'm picking one team that comes out and nowhere

I'm not sure yeah, the things that they have to do in the offseason and through the draft and free agency is gonna be solidify that offensive line

I think add another weapon to for for neighbors, but

That's that

So we agree on the Ravens trade. Yeah, we agree great trade

You're gonna pretend like you were joking if it doesn't work out. I'm like no you made me do it anyway

You can check back the table. I don't know. I don't know Jim

It's really close when we do the end of the deer

End of the year show when we embarrass ourselves with all the things we got wrong

You're gonna cut out the portion of this conversation where you were like nah

I don't know it's right on the line and if it works out you cut out the portion where you're all in

I know your game of course you and Brian trying to make me look bad anyway

Thank you so much Charlie for joining us. Thanks to all the great producers. Thank everybody for watching and listening

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