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Good day, Crime Talk officials. We have a great show for you to start the month of March,

and you know what? Maybe I was wrong about parents being held criminal and responsible for their

children's actions, because there's a deeply concerning case in Miami in which two boys,

age 12 and 13, have been charged as an adult. Wait till you hear what they did.

In the Nancy Gus Re case, the FBI has made some significant moves that's just, you know,

a major shift in the investigation. And oh yeah, no reward has been claimed. The federal prosecutors

in the Luigi Manjone matter, well, they're not going to appeal the ruling that bars the death

penalty. A new motion filed in the case of Suzanne Morthview. That's right, her daughters would like

to have the remains returned. And we also report on the trial of the former Louisiana Mayor,

Miss D. Roberts, who stands charged with sexual relationship involving her sons,

16-year-old friend. And how about that Jacksonville Sheriff Deputy accused of falsifying overtime

reports, because he was visiting his romantic partner, who just happened to be his boss.

We've got this day in legal history, our legal quote of the day, and our dumb criminal.

That's right, more food crime today, ladies and gentlemen. You'll want to wait to stick around

for this one. Let's talk about it. Good day, everyone. My name is Scott Reich,

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gentlemen, it is already March 2nd, 2026, where has the time gone? All right, let's go ahead and

open the record for today. First, like I said in the intro, perhaps I was maybe wrong about

charging adults for the conduct of their children, right? We were talking about the case. We've had

several of them over the years, one going on, obviously in Georgia. We had the case in Michigan,

where of course it was a shooting. Now shootings apparently are much more results oriented when

it comes to getting convictions of parents, but wait until you hear this particular case. All right.

In a case that's obviously provoked some widespread condemnation, police in Miami have charged

two boys, age 12 and 13 as adults for the alleged violent sexual assault on a 12-year-old girl.

Now, according to court records cited in public reports on February 27th of this year, Nelson

Nunez and Josiah Jones, 13 and 12 respectively allegedly approached the victim,

forcibly dragged her into a garden area, pinned her down and subjected her to an assault

of the sexual nature, lasting approximately 30 minutes. During the incident, one of the boys

reportedly placed rocks in the girl's mouth to silence her cries of no, no stop stop. It hurts.

The assault reportedly ceased when the victim's father called her name, at which point the boys

and another witness fled. Now the decision to charge the minors as adults reflects obviously the

severity of the alleged conduct. And there's been a lot of people commenting, including strong calls

for the maximum penalties and parental accountability. Obviously the case is in its early judicial stages

with no further procedural details released as of the time that we are bringing you this report,

ladies and gentlemen. So, you know, let's see if the bandwagon of charging parents of juveniles

when it comes to gun cases will continue when it comes to crimes of violence of this nature

and doesn't matter the race or ethnicity of the defendants, right? Because most of the school

shootings are predominantly white kids. Are they not at least what we've seen so far?

Will they still do the same for these 12 and 13 year olds and maybe their parents? I mean,

clearly one could say maybe these parents shouldn't get the mother and father of the year award

and the young boys are presumed to be innocent indeed. But think about it, ladies and gentlemen,

this is what we talked about. And if you're going to do it for one case, I think you then got to

start doing it for all the cases. But you'd say, oh, Scott, these parents didn't know what these

young boys were going to do. Well, do they? Have they been talking about this? Maybe they need to go

search the computers. See what kind of parent interaction was taking place. Apparently,

somebody raised these two children to think that after all it's okay to do this to a 12 year old

girl. And when they're doing it, they're assaulting her to shove rocks in her mouth.

Are you kidding me? One could say that was learned behavior. One could say the parents must have

taught them that behavior. Maybe we need to go hold the parents accountable. Let me know what you

think, ladies and gentlemen, if it's good enough for one type of case shouldn't be for all juvenile

cases. And this is what I told you to slip a little slope. You want to go down that game? Well,

maybe it's just for the cases that we really feel strongly about. Why shouldn't we feel strongly

about a case like this, ladies and gentlemen? Next, the Nancy Guthrie investigation undergoes a

significant federal shift. That's right. Some recent developments in the case of Nancy Guthrie,

obviously the mother of today's show host Nancy Savannah Guthrie. Anyway, there've been reports

to indicate a potential transfer of primary investigative authority to a federal officials more

than a month after her presumed abduction from her Tucson, Arizona home. Now, apparently there is

the obviously the disappearance and then key evidences under review, the scaling back of local

resources and the implications of some heightened FBI involvement. Now, for those who don't recall,

Nancy Guthrie was last confirmed around alive in the early morning hours of February 1st at her

home there at the Catalina foothills neighborhood near Tucson. Her pacemakers final synchronization with

her device occurred about 2.28 a.m. Shortly before their surveillance footage from a neighborhood ring

camera captured a vehicle, possibly a Kia soul, departing the area at approximately 2.36 a.m. A

nest doorbell camera at the gun three residents recorded a suspect wearing an Ozark trail backpack

and police believe that she was abducted now with a ransom demand of some $6 million $6 million

issued and a deadline of 5 p.m. on February 9th. Now, obviously nobody believes that those

demands, well, I guess some people could, but I don't believe nor did I ever think that

that was a valid demand. Nobody goes to the press for a third party intermediary in a kidnapping case.

Anyway, the Pena County Sheriff's Department initially deployed up to 400 personnel in this

effort. And as of late February, officials announced a refocusing on resources returning many

officers to the regular duties while retaining only assigned detectives on the case unless new

leads emerge, a spokesperson emphasized that the investigation remains active and will continue

until Guthrie is located or all avenues are exhausted with the neighborhood patrols continuing.

Now, the federal involvement has intensified significantly. The FBI has directed the public to

submit tips directly to their office, relocated their case headquarters to Phoenix and conducted

site visits to the gun through residents alongside federal prosecutors. Now, one of the reasons

why the feds may be taking it up is that there is a kind of an issue as it relates to interstate

movement. Remember, under federal kidnapping statutes after 24 hours, the feds can basically kick in

if you think somebody's been moved over state lines, perhaps. Anyway, a combined reward of $1

million dollars for information leading to the Guthrie location or the arrest remains unclaimed.

Now, obviously this case also generated thousands of tips, extensive video footage and DNA evidence

still under analysis. No arrests have been made and no suspects have been publicly identified

as the investigation enters now. Whether you're solving murders during breakfast,

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Now, it's six week and obviously the transition towards greater federal oversight signals a

strategic recalibration aimed at resolving one of the years, well, most prominent missing persons

cases thus far. Next on the docket, federal prosecutors elect not to appeal the ruling

barring the death penalty for old Luigi Manjone in a decisive procedural development.

Federal authorities have chosen not to appeal a judicial decision that eliminates the possibility

of capital punishment in the high profile case against Luigi Manjone, the 27-year-old accused

of assassinating United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Brian Thompson was assassinated when he was

shot from behind outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel back on December 4 of 2024 as he approached

the United Health Group's annual investor conference. Surveillance captured the mast

assailant and shell casings, bore inscriptions, referencing insurance industry terminology,

delay, deny, and depose. Manjone was arrested five days later in Altoona, Pennsylvania,

while eating at a McDonald's restaurants. Now, Manjone, a university at Pennsylvania graduate from

the prominent Maryland family, has entered pleas of not guilty to both federal and state charges,

and in late February of 2026, the U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett,

dismissed the federal murder through the use of firearms count, ruling that the accompanying

stocking charge did not qualify as a crime of violence under the applicable precedent.

The 39-page opinion acknowledged the counterintuitive outcome of distressed fidelity

to Supreme Court directives. The stocking charge, which carries a potential life sentence,

remains intact. The reality of it is, ladies and gentlemen, this is the death penalty case

in New York, highly unlikely that you are going to get a death-qualified jury that's actually

going to impose the death penalty for a guy that basically has lived a pretty good life

until basically he went wackado and thought that the best way to go around with your political

agenda was to go around shooting people. Can't do that, ladies and gentlemen. So anyway,

it's just a good tactical move. The evidence is pretty strong as it relates

that it was Luigi Manjone that did the assassination. Now we'll give him the presumption of innocence

until the jury convicts him, which they will. I do believe in my humble opinion.

But as of right now, it made a good sense for the prosecution not to appeal that,

let's get this trial rolling. Let's see what the outcome's going to be.

Next to the docket, the donors have sued in more few. They file a motion seeking

return of their mother's remains. So a new legal filing in the long-running case

surrounding the death of Suzanne Morpheu is requesting the immediate release of her remains

to the next of kin, alleging improper state seizure following the lawful transfer to a funeral home.

Now, obviously, we're going to take a look at the motions content, the procedural history,

and the status of Barry Morpheu's murder charge. So for those who are not familiar with this case,

Suzanne Morpheu disappeared on May 10, Mother's Day, during a bicycle ride near Selietta, Colorado.

Her remains were later recovered at an April of 2024, lawfully released by the Chafee County

Corners to the designated funeral home for burial arrangements by the next of kin. Her daughters,

Mallory and Macy Morpheu. Now, according to a redacted motion filed in late February,

they're in the Alamosa County District Court state authorities subsequently took possession

of the remains from the Swan Law Funeral Directors without prior notice of warning thereby preventing

the planned service. Now, the motion submitted by council representative daughters demanded a full

explanation for the seizure and withholding issuance of a temporary restrained order to bar

further interference and prompt return of the remains to the family for internment. Now,

the Swan Law Funeral Directors declined comments citing privacy and ongoing cooperation with police

while the Chaffee County Corners office offered no statement. Now, also as you may recall,

Barry Morpheu charged with the first to remurder in his wife's death,

entered a plea of not guilty back in January. His attorneys likewise have also declined to comment.

Now, as of late February, the court has not yet ruled on the filing. The motion is obviously,

there's some tension between the prosecutorial needs and the family's rights in high profile cold

cases that turned into a murder prosecution. So these are always difficult situations, ladies and

gentlemen, and normally what takes place is the police do their investigation. The body or the

remains go to the Corners office. Corners office conducts their autopsy and any other testing and they

do what they need to do. And sometimes they'll say, hey, defense, do you want to take, you know,

if there's a defendant at the time, they're going to say we're going to release the body if you'd

like to do so. Take, you know, take your own independent look at it. Most of the time, that doesn't

take place. But obviously these, this particular case, the remains were found several years later,

and they were obviously subject to analysis. Now, I can honestly say, I've only had this happened

to me once, and it was with a double dead baby case over on the western slope. The basically,

the children were died for they still have no idea why they died. Nobody does. But apparently,

on the western slope, it doesn't matter. If you have a couple of dead children and the prosecutors

can't say how they died when they died and who is responsible for it, they just charge everybody

and send your client off to prison, even though it wasn't even his children.

Real big problem there, but hey, we digress. Anyway, in that particular case, literally the remains

were in the corner's office for years. Ultimately, we had to ship the remains to another pathologist

to review them in a different state. We literally FedEx them. Can you believe that the remains

of dead children in a box being FedExed? And then they brought them back. And ultimately,

once the case was done and sentencing was over, the prosecution decided to turn the remains

back over to the father of the children so that they could have a proper burial. And that was

like three years later from the time that the children had passed away. So the prosecution is going

to say, this is part of an investigation. This is evidence, and we want to hold on to it. Obviously,

the court's going to have to balance the interest here of the state's rights to do this. Keep

the evidence until the case has basically gone through trial and any appellate issues and post

conviction if there's a conviction versus turning over the remains now. We'll see. We'll see.

Somehow, I think this judge will say, state, what are you doing? What further evaluation

review do you need that you couldn't have done already before you turn them over to the funeral

home? I think the kids may win on this one. Next on the docket, the trial commences for that

former Louisiana mayor accused of hanging out with her son's friends. That's right. Court

proceedings have begun in the Beauregard parish against Misty Roberts, the former mayor of the

Ritter, Louisiana on charges of third degree rape and contributing delinquency of juveniles

stemming from an alleged 2024 incident involving a minor Roberts 43 resigned as mayor shortly

before her arrest and prosecutors alleged that during a late night pool party at her

deritter residence in 2024, attended by teenagers who consumed alcohol.

She engaged in sexual intercourse with a 16 year old boy who was a friend of her son.

That's taken one to be the cool mom to a whole new level, isn't it?

Anyway, the gathering included some photos, which is evidence of minor's holding drinks.

Anyway, testimony has included accounts from Robert Sunn, who stated in the 2025 forensic interview

that he observed the encounter through a crack in a window and texted his mother warning that

the youth was underage describing the situation as crazy, he said. Anyway, her daughter reported

seeing the pair on top of each other as well and Roberts' ex-husband Duncan Clayton

testified that she confessed the incident to him and that their children had witnessed it.

Additional evidence encompasses text messages, a door to ash delivery record for emergency

contraception ordered under the name associated with Roberts and photographs depicting Roberts in

the proximity of the teenager. Now, Miss Roberts has pled not guilty and the current

proceedings represent obviously the second trial following an earlier mistrial attributed to

judicial issues. And as of today, testimony continues with the defense challenging certain

interview transcriptions and witnesses recollection. No verdict obviously has been reached as of yet.

Ladies and gentlemen, oh my god, I know, you know, there's always somebody, one of those parents

that wants to be the cool mom or dad. No, your job is to be a parent, not the cool mom or dad,

okay? Next thing you know, you're drinking a couple of beers, I guess. Next thing you know,

you're sleeping with your son's friends, who's 16 for God's sakes, unbelievable. And yet this

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Unbelievable ladies and gentlemen. Next, another sheriff deputy in some trouble for falsifying some

overtime payments. So a veteran officer with the Jacksonville Sheriff's office has been arrested

and charged with multiple felonies after allegedly submitting more than 200 hours of fabricated

overtime claims, resulting in the improper receipt of $14,000 in pay. Now Christian Madsen,

a member of the Jacksonville Sheriff's office for more than 11 years, faces charges of grand theft,

organized fraud and official misconduct. Now police also alleged that over a three month period,

he claimed overtime pay for hours not worked, including reportedly the time that he spent

and a residence of his romantic partner patrols support division chief Jamie Eason.

Now the sheriff, a guy with TK waters announced the charges at a press conference, confirming

the personal relationship and noting that to Eason resigned following a discussion with him.

Waters expressed disappointment in Eason's actions while emphasizing that no evidence indicated

her involvement in or approval of the false filings. He underscored department policies requiring

immediate notifications of post-employment relationships to mitigate conflicts of interest and

reiterate that no individual is above the law. Well, Madsen was arrested, immediately suspended

and released on bond. Each third degree felony carries a maximum of five years in prison and a

five thousand dollar fine. The sheriff's office has initiated an administrative review and affirmed

its commitment to transparency and continued cooperation. Don't you love that? It's like schools

when their teachers are having inappropriate relationships. We're going to continue to investigate

and ensure that everybody is safe. We turned a blind eye to it or were completely ignorant of the

fact, but that's okay. We're going to now really get serious about it. Next, this day in legal

history, Gibson V. Ogden, March 2nd, 1824. So in a unanimous opinion, written by then Chief Justice

John Marshall, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Commerce Clause of the Constitution

grants Congress broad and exclusive authority to regulate interstate commerce, including

navigation of interstate waters. That decision invalidated a New York-granted steamboat monopoly

that conflicted with federal license. The landmark ruling established that federal supremacy in

matters of interstate economic activity, laying foundational precedent for the development

of a unified national economy and expansion of congressional regulatory power. Now going all

the way back then, ladies and gentlemen, they said feds are going to do interstate commerce.

Can you imagine if each state had their own form for road signs, their own regulations for each

and every semi or truck on the road, it would be a complete hodgepodge and it would be a mess.

So federal law being supreme to state law, hence the supremacy clause, that's right. No state

can pass a law in violation of federal law. It is null and void upon receipt, ladies and gentlemen,

and this gives exclusive, exclusive authority for the federal government to regulate interstate

commerce. As so mentioned in the Constitution, one of the, I think, nine things the federal government

was supposed to do. That's it. Nine things. We'll save it for another day. The nine things are

supposed to do. Next, how about March 2nd, 1867, Congress overrode President Andrew Johnson's

veto to pass the first reconstruction act, a cornerstone of post civil war policy, the legislation

divided 10 former Confederate states, excluding Tennessee, into five military districts placed

under federal oversight, and it required southern states to draft new constitutions,

guaranteed black male suffrage and to ratify the 14th amendment as a condition for readmission

to the union. This act shifted reconstruction authority from the executive to Congress,

fundamentally reshaping federal state relations, civil rights protections, and the reintegration

of the South into the union. And on this date, March 2nd, 1917, President Woodrow Wilson

signed the Jones Shaferath Act into law granting statutory United States citizenship to inhabitants

of Puerto Rico. The statute also established a bill of rights for the territory,

restructured its government with an elected bicameral legislature, and created clear executive

legislative and judicial branches. The legislation altered the legal and political relationship between

the United States and its unincorporated territory, creating the framework of statutory citizenship

that constitutes to define Puerto Rico's constitutional status today. Our legal quote of the day

has to do with arguing before the United States Supreme Court. And when you listen to this,

think about this, ladies and gentlemen, this applies to just about everything in life.

Okay, now this comes from an article called advocacy before the United States Supreme Court

and Justice Jackson remarked, quote, I used to say that as solicitor general, I made three

arguments of every case. First came the one that I planned, as I thought, logical, coherent,

complete. Second was the one that actually presented, interrupted, in coherent, disjointed,

disappointing. The third was the utterly devastating argument that I thought of after

going to bed that night and quote, so this reflection remains a commonality among not only

appellate practitioners, but anybody has to go in front of a court to make an argument.

And it illustrates the pressures of not only here the Supreme Court argument,

that the carefully prepared versions, the interrupted reality under rigorous questioning

from the justices and the perfect rebuttal realized only in a retrospect, gee, I've never

had that happen before. Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, you can go in, you have your argument made,

I don't care what it is, whether it's emotions hearing or what, and something changes.

But that's the beautiful thing about the practice of law. It's like what they teach you when you

go into the military, no matter how well you have planned it, that that beautifully planned

operation that you have goes out the window once the first shot is fired. And in the courtroom,

no shots fired, figuratively only. But once that first question is asked, it all changes.

Next are dumb criminal of the day.

At ex-con jailed after using his McDonald's frozen food coffee as a weapon,

more food crime, ladies and gentlemen. Now in a blend of questionable judgment and frozen

dairy, a 29 year old Florida man was found himself back behind bars after allegedly

transforming a McDonald's crap into an instrument of assault during a late night drive-through

encounter. According to police reports, the incident unfolded around 1 a.m. on January 31,

Adam McDonald's restaurant in Seminole, Daniel Abramwitz, while positioned in the drive-through lane,

engaged a brief discussion with a 28 year old employee. Police alleged that the conversation ended

abruptly when he hurled the blended frozen coffee beverage directly at the McDonald's worker.

The crap struck the victim in the face, causing the container to burst open on impact and drench

her face hair and jacket in its sticky contents. Of course, there were surveillance cameras to

capture the entire episode, enabling the employees to positively identify Mr. Abramwitz as the

perpetrator. The charge of battery has been elevated to a felony because Abramwitz prior conviction

for domestic battery in which he punched the mother of his child in the face is also accused of

violating a three year probation imposed following a 2023 felony conviction for stealing and ponding

a watch. Anyway, a native of New Jersey now residing in Florida, Abramwitz maintains an

extensive criminal history that includes convictions for burglary, obstruction of justice,

and multiple probation violations. He has previously served several jail sentences.

Now, this little development placed him firmly back on ice serving as a frosty reminder

that some customer service interactions are far safer resolved with words rather than beverages.

Anyway, Abramwitz remains in custody as his proceedings continue. Mr. Abramwitz,

her dumb criminal of the day just let it go by God. Let it go. All right, ladies and gentlemen,

that's all we have for you today. Happy first week of March. We'll see you tomorrow and always

remember the Constitution matters.