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This is our Paranormal Afterlife, and I'm your host Simon Bound.

And please look out for the remastered episodes that released every Friday.

This week I'm talking to Barbara Banner about mediumship and the afterlife.

Barbara has trained with some of the world's most renowned psychic mediumship and trans mentors.

She is a certified medium with the Helping Parents Heal organisation,

and with Mark Ireland's Certified Medium Listing.

Hi Barbara, thanks a lot for coming on the podcast.

My pleasure Simon.

So we're going to talk about your mediumship and everything you've done.

But the first thing I wanted to ask is, is there a history of mediumship in your family?

Well, I didn't know about it. It came to me during the pandemic.

And up until then, I thought I had a little juju, but I didn't really know anything.

So I went to tell my mother, and she was 104, and I thought she might have a hard attack

right then and there.

Anyway, I told her that I'm a medium now, and I'm talking to dad.

And she, I said, I didn't know if I could tell you or not.

She goes, you kidding me?

I used to go to card readers and psychics and tarot readers with your grandmother.

She had her own juju, people would line up to see what she had to say.

I said, Mom, you're 104. When are you going to tell me?

So, and then, and then I heard from other channelers that I've been doing it for centuries,

and that's why when I started, I was up and running in like seven months, you know,

hung a shingle. So, yes, it's been in my, it's been in my past, but nobody talked about it.

So you said you had some kind of juju when you were younger?

How did that come about? Did you see, or hear spirits or something?

I did not see spirits. When I was about 13 or 12, I just have always felt that I was a little different,

a little looking in. And I was, I felt I was really psychic that I would know things and,

and have intuitions. And I didn't really know what to call it. So I told my girlfriends,

I think I'm a witch. That's the only thing I knew at that point, but I had always been,

since then, interested in the paranormal and all the ghost shows and all the,

the old-time mediums like Philvia Brown. And so it's always fascinated me and now I know why.

So what happened? What changed it? Was there some one thing that kind of blew you open and suddenly

you had all this ability? Well, I didn't know I had the ability, but there was, there was something

my house turned into, you know, a paranormal activity center. I had things flying off the shelves.

I had orbs flying around in my video. I was doing a little audition video. And then in the

den in my office, I mean, in my bedroom, the fans went on simultaneously, not by us.

And the lights were flashing at the same exact time. So, and the light in my fan didn't have a

bolt I had taken it out before. So that got my attention. And I just said, okay,

spirit is definitely calling me and who am I not to answer. And then I signed up for a

mediumship class on my first meditation that I ever did. You know, I saw my dad. So I thought,

this is easy. I didn't know I, you know, it's been in the family. So I said, okay, I like this.

So that's what happened. I have just what crazy. Was it scary? Did you ever think it might be

something negative? No, I didn't. I just didn't feel that. I just felt, just felt it was all good.

It was all good. And then I realized why I had been pushed into all of these volunteer positions

that actually were divinely guided to for me to be a medium. Yeah, because you were in a crisis

response team. Is that right? Yes, I was on a woman's crisis hotline and on the cities crisis

response team where I went to scenes where there was a deceased body on the scene and the police

were there and the family came and the police didn't have time to help the family. So that's

what I was there for. And it's you remember support them on the worst day of their lives with one

of their loved ones, you know, covered up with a sheet. When you were on that kind of scene,

did you ever get communication with the deceased? No, I didn't. And they knew that I couldn't do

that on the job. Okay, so it wasn't they just knew that this was work. Don't, don't come here.

I can't, I can't pay the attention to you. The city would not be pleased having somebody

reading it or we're talking about that to two family members who made that believe in it or

think I'm in a devil. I was just there to help them and listen to them and give them some

resources and that's it. But now they come at three in the morning when they when they want to

give me some evidence or a download. And I said, if you're going to come at three and wake me up,

it better be good. Okay, so they brought me some very good stuff in the middle of the night. So

could you give us an example of what might have come through in the middle of the night?

Okay, I had a client come and her husband had a committee suicide. And she was so skeptical.

I mean, everything that I, this was her first foray into this, everything I said, well,

well, you could have read that in the papers. Well, you know, you could have heard that,

you know, on the news. Well, you could have, and you know, I was being graded like I was in

the Olympics, you know, with a, with a number. And I knew I was not going on the podium. Okay,

so it was really uncomfortable. And you can't, I, I personally, it throws me off. But she was

asking me things like, what were we wearing three days before he died? I don't know that what we're

here. Anyway, so he shows me a half of a toasted bagel. And it had been scooped out, save five

calories of, of dough and then put in 3000 calories of something else. Um, and he, he just left

that with me. He just showed me that and off he went. So I gave her a call. And I knew it was him.

So I said, your husband was here. And this is what he showed me. I said, do you have any idea what

it means? She said, not at all. She goes, why are you bothering me about this? It's crazy. Everyone

eats bagels and scoops and that. I said, okay, just beware that I said that. Anyway, a week later,

she gets in touch with me. She goes, you're not going to believe this. She said, I went to my

husband's parents house. And you know, his father had said, uh, I invented a product. Um, and I've

got a prototype. And I'm going to see if you know what it is. So he brings her out some contraption.

I don't know. And he says, I have no idea what that is. He said, it's a bagel scoop.

So they were just dumbfounded. I mean, obviously, who comes up, I didn't even know there was a bagel

scoop or kind of thing. Anyway, um, she became a believer after that. So with her being in the sitting

with you and being of that kind of negative thing, does that bring down the whole kind of frequency

for you? Absolutely. And, you know, we're both, we're taught. It's never a client's fault.

But I, it's, you know, every action causes a reaction. And when someone's saying, what color were

my pajamas last night? That's, you know, we're not, we're not here for a plot. We're here to connect

and, and give people peace and, and help them. Um, so it just, it derails me. And that's just

who I am. And maybe some people could just go through it. But it's, we were also taught that there's

three, there's three legs to a stool. And you have to have all free working for it to, to hold you.

And that's spirit, the medium, and the client. And if one of those is off, something's going to be

off. So it just sort of puts you in a, in a, a defensive mood, you know, for me. And, and, and it's,

it's just, it doesn't work for me. So I try to stay away from that. We love our, we love our clients

who are open and just, you know, believe and just are, are fascinated with everything. Not,

not saying, you know, the glass is definitely half, half empty with some people in this heart.

They're in grief. There's shock. I get it. I'm not blaming anybody. But it does affect

ivory. So when the client shows up, do you have, I don't know, almost like a script, a, a brief

that you always tell every client at the beginning of a session? I send them a document of my,

when they sign up, they automatically get a confirmation email. And it is the Zoom link

and password. And it's also a, a PDF that has what, what, what to bring and what to do before

your, your meeting. And it also has a page and a half of what to expect in a medium ship reading,

which says, you know, if you, if you are waiting to get the code word that you, when your husband

had, or this, it's, you're going to be, you could be very disappointed. You know, you, you don't

know what spirit's going to bring. And we're not in charge. And that let it go and, and be open to

what, what you're going to receive. Because spirit knows what you need to hear on not, and I don't

always give you what you want to hear. So they know. And then I also give them a resource sheet.

So when we're done to help them connect on their own, so they don't have to come to a medium all

the time. But they could see that their loved ones are there. And then I give them a document on,

on the afterlife, which is wonderful. And it just, it just opens them up. Oh, I always wondered

what happened there. It gives them a little more background. So they're not just coming in

without knowing anything.

There would, do you also tell them how much feedback you want? Because I suppose if they

give you too much feedback, it looks like you're not bringing any evidence through.

I say, I'm going to be giving you evidence and validation of what you already, you know,

feel yourself. And if I, if I say something that you don't understand, please tell me I said,

spirit cannot make a mistake, but I can. I'm human. So if I say something you don't quite understand,

just say it. I don't really understand that now, because sometimes they'll get it, you know,

when the, when the session is over, or when they go home and ask their mother,

could Aunt Louise, Louise really only have critos? Oh, yeah, didn't you know? So there's

things that they'll find out later. I, I did have someone call me a year and a half later to

apologize for saying I was crazy for telling him he had a secret sister. And his father showed

him a picture and he goes, who's that woman? She said, well, you have a secret sister. So it can

come at any time. And I said, if you, if you're really excited about something, you could say a

few words. I say, but here's, here's how it works. If I tell you your, your grandmother waddled

what she walked. You could say, yes, she was so bolegan. And then I say, but do not tell me that

she lost an arm in a wood shipper, you know, in 1989. I don't want to know that. If she wants me to

know, she'll tell me. So I give it to them in a way they understand, okay, if I say something,

you could say a few words about it. I need a blank slate. I want to make sure that everything

that comes out of my mouth is in spirit and not from something they told me. So if they start

yapping, I say, stop, stop. Is there a thing where you only ask them for their first name before

they shower or something? So, you know, because people say, oh, well, they had your full name,

the mediums looked you up on Facebook and they know all about you. Well, that, that sounds like

the skeptic. No, they just, they can put whatever name they want in there. That's fine.

But I don't, I can't, I don't, anything I know is going to work against me. That's who I am.

I don't want to know anything. I don't want my brain to get involved. I need it just, I need my

information just from spirit. And listen, before they book me, they can look up,

look me up and see that, you know, I'm the real deal. And so I don't, I don't think I'd ever

looked at anybody up to see anything about them. I can't, that throws me off as someone who's

skeptical. And for whatever reason, I don't remember what was said in yesterday's readings.

It absolutely, with so many, it just, they all meld into one. So I can't even,

if someone comes for a second, a second time, I say, I don't remember anything about this person.

So I'm just starting from scratch here. And they'll know what they said. So obviously,

they'll give me different things. So that's how, that's how it works with me. I don't want to know.

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think mediums have got hours and hours to sit down and check people out on Facebook and write

down loads of details. Yeah, that's crazy. You know what? There are people that would do that.

You know, you have to be very careful with who you get. And hopefully, they're certified with

a good organization. I am certified with helping parents heal one of the finest organizations

for people who lost a child at NEH and find a certified medium with Mark Ireland, who was also

one of the founders of helping parents heal. But they need to do the homework, okay? I don't

want to do any homework. I'm exhausted at the end of the day already. Okay, so you're certified,

but what do you have to do to become certified? You have to get a certain amount, they give you

five different sitters, people who will come and you'll have to read them. They pick five people

that they know. And the the sitter rates you, they give you points for the for the different

information you give them. You know, something that's broad, it might be worth five points,

something you tell them that, you know, they have their gold baby shoes on the desk with them,

that could be 20 points, whatever the points are. So you have to do a certain amount of points

in each reading or combined so that's so that the organization knows it's just not a lucky day

that it is consistent. I didn't pass the first time. I have test anxiety. It just makes me so

nervous. But the second time I said, I am not letting my test anxiety get in the way this time,

and I just plowed through. And yeah, I passed. So it was tough. It was tough. It was nerve-wracking.

So how does this stuff come to you? Because there's the five clairs, isn't there? Do you work with

one or two of them? I see spirit. I feel spirit. I hear spirit. I can do trance. So I

can speak their words or have them speak their words. And they also move me. You know, they've

got me doing things with my arms. And then I'm like, I'm rowing above or whatever. They can move

me. And some of the things are very funny that I end up doing. Once in a while, I can smell something,

but not often. Once I smell the pot roast, that's all I can tell you. I don't smell a lot of things.

And I don't taste. So I think that's all the clairs. So I got most of them, but

smelling the really important stuff. So how does trance work for you? Is it a thing where you

may be that's almost like you're unconscious or are you still aware of everything?

I am, I get into an altered state. You know, I sort of sink down like you were going to go into

meditation, but it's, it's a different way of meditating. And the first words to get me started,

just keep playing over and over in my head. And then I speak them and then I'm gone, you know,

and then they talk. I can sometimes hear what I'm saying or, but I don't, when I, when I get out

of it, I don't remember hardly anything. I mean, it is just that wasn't me speaking. I don't

really remember if they say things like, oh, you said such and such, it'll stand a little familiar

or if I say something crazy, it might wake me up. So yeah, it's, it's being in an altered state.

That's for sure. The last thing anyone wants to hear is my opinion. This is from spirit. I usually

ask them, who would you like to come from? We've had your mother, we've had your father,

who, and they'll tell me who they want the message from. Or it can be from their higher self.

So that sounds almost like a possession or something. Was the difficult at first to trust

that you were going to get your body back, so to speak? I thought it. In fact, when I went to

the Arthur Finley College in England, which is the real Hogwarts,

in one of our classes, we, we had a trance and I'm working with a teacher and I just keep

waking myself up the minute I'm, the minute I feel like I'm losing control. She goes,

trance is not for you. You just, you can't do it. So it really, really was hard for me when I got

back because I wanted to do it. It's cool. I had to work on it and my, my guides, they knew I couldn't

like get over the chasm that, you know, I, that I would have to go over. It looked like, it

looked like a drop down to like 5,000 feet or something and I, I couldn't trust to go over there.

So my guides literally, they came and, and, and held me and flew me over this, this wide,

chasm to the other side and then I was okay. Then, and then I've trusted, but it took a while

before you really trust. That's like the last thing that comes for me because sometimes I have

pretty funny guides and they give me really some crazy stuff and, and I, I have, sometimes I say,

how can I say that? And then I just have to and it, they take it. So I've learned to trust.

And when you're doing trance, does your voice change?

I like, some people can, you know, can, can, can sound like Winston Churchill or, you know,

Minnie Mouse. I don't know. My voice is different in that I talk softer and it's a different

kings. It's, it's more staccato than I would talk. And if they, if there's anything flowery

that they say, people know I am not a flowery person. So it's things I might not say.

Well, I definitely wouldn't say. So that's, it's, it's different, but I'm not, most people don't

really go into some devil voice or something. It's, it's, you know, it's me, but it's, it's not how I

talk normally. Could you give us an example of something really good that came through?

Like I said before, sometimes when I'm in trance and I, and something comes out that somehow clicks

into me like, that's really weird. Then I, I'll give you one. When I was practicing, when I was

doing some practices with my mentor and my guides, whatever I'm talking, talking. And I have

a candle next to me. And all of a sudden I say, let's get some chocolate and marshmallows

and make s'mores. That's so out of what I would be saying in a trance about somebody or giving

somebody guidance. As it was coming out of my mouth, I said, they're testing me. And my, my

mentor said, yes, they were testing you to see if I trusted and said it. Our team is with us.

They're, they're helping us. And sometimes they push us to say things that I wouldn't say in

a middle of a trance. Let's make s'mores. Okay. That was crazy. I remember sometimes to sort of

wake me up. Somebody said, and I'm still making origami. Okay. And I thought, what's that doing in

in this trance? When I came out of it, they said, you said something. You said something about

origami. And I said, I felt like I said something. What, what did that mean anything? She said,

you have no idea. My daughter was in the hospital. She was making origami fourth than the day before

she passed. It's, it's a lot, a lot of, a lot of, not a lot of specifics usually because we all,

everybody who has a soul has all the information in themselves. They just have to learn how to get

it out. So spirit isn't always excited about telling you what your purpose in life is because

you've got free will. And you can change it. You just have to know what excites you, what your

passion is and go for it. So does anything physical happen, you know, like physical mediumship?

I mean, not like there's no ectoplasm coming out of me or there's, I have, I have friends who,

who do really physical mediumship, but they do, they do make me do different movements with my body,

which are part of the, part of the message that are can be a little crazy. And I just do,

I mean, it's very funny. I'll, I'll tell you one. I said to a daughter and her, we had her mother

in spirit. And I start waving my arms around crazy, just like, like I said, I don't, why do I feel

like I'm swatting away of me or something? And then I go even crazier and I'm doing it with my

hands, you know, I'm looking like an idiot. She goes, I watch, she goes, I walked into the back yard

this morning and a B was like getting on me and I was trying to get rid of it. So I was flailing

and then I run into the front yard to get away and I go smack into this giant spider web. And

then I really go insane. And I, I said, well, your mom was there and she saw the whole thing and

the client goes, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. So they can do things with me and I don't know

what I'm doing. I just do it. I just do it. Do you ever get a spirit show up that's unexpected,

not like if something negative, but if you're in trance or if you're having a reading and somebody

shows up who is just nothing to do with the sitter? Well, we believe that if, if somebody shows up,

they do have something to do with the sitter. Now sometimes we get two people that like the

dueling grandmother's kind of thing, you know, where they want to get their 15 minutes in.

And I always try to separate them because it's a little, it's just a little disjointed to have

a list of evidence for this one and that one. And I do say at that point, I said, look,

and I look to the spirits and I say, this is an open mic night. Let's keep it to, you know,

what what we need. So not really, there sometimes somebody will bud in that gives me a name of somebody

who's alive. And when they do, I tell the sitter, you know, your uncle popped in to say the name

Brenda, do you know one? Yes, it's my sister and I said, well, and then I go into a little psychic

thing and say there's something going on with her. I see her, you know, like huddled under the

covers, very depressed and your uncle Duce would like you to check in on her. And that happens,

you know, regularly, not all the time, but you know, one out of 10 or 15 readings, I'll have a

message to give the client about somebody who is alive. And there's always something going on

with them that they need. They just sometimes they just need a phone call to know somebody cares about

them. So and otherwise, I'm not, I'm not great at names. I have to say it. I sometimes it's really

hit or miss with me. Usually if it's a weird name, I could get it. If it's John forget it.

Someone will say, I'll say, who's more to Kai? That's my grandfather. Okay. Or Billy Bob. Oh,

that's my uncle. But it's, you know, John Steve Rick forget it. It's just it goes by me.

And some people are fabulous at names. So what is the the process there or the mechanics of that,

the you're not quite getting the name. I'd like to try and understand what's actually going on

when the information comes to you. Well, obviously, the information doesn't come to me if I once,

if I would like it, I would like someone's name because you get to the meet faster. So they know,

okay, that's, that's who it is. But a lot of, a lot of mediums when the, the client is there,

they'll say, let's, let's see who comes. And I, after my last stint at Arthur Finley College, say,

I like to cut to the chase. I like you to tell me who is the person you want to hear most or see

most. And just tell me what their relationship is to you. And I'm going in like a scud missile.

Because sometimes you get somebody like a great, great grandmother that you don't even know. So I

would be giving you information that you can't validate. And it, it doesn't really help.

So I want them to, I want them to have the person that they really, really want to see. And I

said, and there's, there's time at the end for a couple of drive buys. You know, if you want to

see your, your grandmother as well or your, your aunt. So yeah, I want them to get who they really,

really want to connect with. And they usually come. They're usually the, for I, I just, I don't even,

I don't want another name. It doesn't matter. Names are useless for your spirit. They don't need it.

So yeah, I, I go for who they really want to come up with.

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have about mediumship? A good question. I think a lot of people who aren't spiritual, they think that

we're here to answer. I have a Q&A in mind. I let people, because always somebody's got some

things they want to hear. A lot of people think that they can ask anything and will have the answer.

They'll come with code words. They'll come with one piece of information that they really want to

hear and that if we can't perform that we're not any good or that it may not be their loved one,

no matter how you can give them 10 pieces of really good information that's specific. If they don't

have the one that you want to hear, then they're skeptical again. I'll tell you something that

just happened recently. I had this woman who passed for her. Her daughter had passed and I gave her

so many pieces of information. Then I said, let me do trance because she goes, I want a gold nugget.

I want something that's just between me and her and nobody in the world knows it and

I said, let's see what they gave you. I'm not in charge here. We went over it afterwards

and she said, you gave me, I said, she's showing me, she's playing hopscotch and she's

doing jump rope and she's like dancing to records and she said, well, that's not a gold nugget,

that's what everyone does. As your daughter just said, I said, your daughter's giving me

everything that seems normal. When I said the word normal, she caught her breath.

That was the gold one because she said her daughter would tell her mom, I just want to be normal,

like a normal kid. Obviously she had some physical challenges and couldn't do a lot. That's just

something that was deep in her mother's heart, that that's what she wanted. She didn't want

pretty close. She didn't want anything. She just wanted to be normal. So we never know what that

word is. We don't know but spirit knew and that changed the whole energy of the reading when she

got that because she knew it was her daughter because that's all her daughter wanted was to be normal.

Do you ever do mediumship work that's not about sitting with someone and giving

evidential messages? Is there other work that you could do as a medium?

Well, I do do groups sometimes but I don't want to go to some, you know, the Madison Square

Gardens and have like a lot of people. That's too much pressure. I don't want pressure.

Well, I've helped some people come to me to get some information that they don't have

about a passing, like what really happened. Some people, I had a woman who was a doctor

and they could not find a cause of death for her son who was, I don't know, in his 20s.

And there was no drugs in his body. His organs were okay. They couldn't put a name on it and

she had been going to lots of different people to try to find out what happened.

And it's interesting that when it comes to somebody's passing, they show me how they looked

at the end. Almost like you would see the white line drawing from a police on this pavement

of the position they were. Anyway, so this, her son was showing me that the way he fell on the floor,

like fell back and that he was shaking. He was like convulsing. I said, I feel like he had

a seizure. And I'm getting goosebumps now when I saw that. And I said, would a seizure show up

in an autopsy? And she said no. So, and she was really feeling that that might be it. That might

be what I'm looking for. So, a lot of people come to me for that or this, my brother disappeared.

And what do you see? Yeah, those kind of things. But listen, everyone has their own strengths.

There are people who just do missing persons or are just really fabulous at that. Go to the

second rock and turn left and then dig under the azalea plant. That's that I don't get that

specific, but I can get a background or there's a hill that I feel like he's slid down or he's

at a cave or those kind of things. So people come for all different reasons. Most of the time,

it's because they miss their loved one. And they don't feel them around them. And as much as I

could say, they're always with you. Some people just want proof. And I've gotten some really

crazy questions of proof that they want proof. I have a woman who comes every year. She puts me

through the ringer, but I love her. She said, I have not felt my husband in six months.

And he might have a girlfriend. I'm really worried about that. I have not felt anything.

And I said, he's around you. I'm telling you, he's around you. She said, if he's really around me,

he'll be able to tell me what TV show I binge watched over the pandemic. And I thought to myself,

okay, you know, I just said this to myself. I don't think I'm going to be able to come off

without one. Anyway, the husband was there. And he said it's outlander. So I said that to her.

And she said that was it. And all of a sudden, from this depressed woman who was just beside

herself with grief and jealousy. And she was concocting all sorts of things in her head. She said,

you have no idea how you've helped me today. Because it just reinforces that even if I don't feel

my husband around me, he's still around me. And so because I always say when they give me one of those,

you know, can you tell me, I say, spirit will give you what you need to hear today. Not always what

you want to hear. And I realized just always ask, you know, I so I always ask them. And if they give

it to me great, if they don't, that's the way it is. But this woman really needed it. Really needed it.

I have another woman who her husband died recently. And I gave her reading and everything she could

understand. And it was going beautifully. And she was feeling great. And then at the very end,

her husband, literally, I was ready to sign off. The husband says, tell her about the necklace.

And I said, your husband wants me to call attention to a necklace. But she was wearing like a

turtle neck or a sweater. I said, do you know what he's talking about? And she started sobbing.

And she from her from her collar, she pulled up a necklace. And on the end of it was his wedding ring.

She said, I told my husband, if it's really you mentioned the necklace. And so he did. So they know

what you want. And it looks kind of things are, I love, I love that. But and I love that they don't

just say it to me. Because if they had said, what is your husband's post? What is my husband going to

what's our secret that we had before we opened the session? Then my head's going to get involved.

It's like, okay, I'm thinking, you know, and I don't want to think. I just want spirit to give it to

me. So and when people sneak in a test, it usually works. But if they ask me to come up with something

that's, you know, obtuse or ridiculous, it may not work. So that's just because it gets into my head.

You mentioned earlier that you did this in past lives. What did you find out about that?

We forget our past lives when we reincarnate. Otherwise, we'd be very difficult. I've had some

past lives come to me in a meditation with somebody who does past lives. And and somebody else

who also does past lives gave me some other information. But in none of them, did I see myself

being a medium? And I did not see myself being burned at the stake for being a witch. So whatever

they gave me was limited in, you know, in the scope of what I did. So you're the you're the master of

that. Let's just say we didn't go deep. I got a bunch of a bunch of them that was, you know, like I

was an Indian, a Native American woman who died in childbirth. Okay, I had I was a barkeep during

the revolutionary war or something. I was a lady being forced to marry an old crotchety old guy.

I was I was this I was that. But as I said, it didn't go deep.

It wasn't like I was on somebody's couch and was there for an hour. It was short little things

where I came back. And it was very interesting with the Native American because out of the blue,

when I was in high school, they said, you know, pick a PE class and I didn't want to get my hair messy

in high school. So I picked archery. Well, you know, within like three weeks, I was the top

archer in the entire high school. I had never picked up a bow and arrow in my life. And as for

shooting a gun because, you know, I practice, the paper that you shoot and see where the bullets

went, they're all in the heart. How do I how do I do that? That is something from a past life.

That's probably from being a good shot with a bow and arrow. You tell me what how do you pick

this up? I wish I knew. It's one of those things, isn't it? It seems to come through. But what

then is it an accident? It's come through or was it on purpose? We just don't know.

It's interesting. Well, they say like if you get a little three-year-old kid who's never played

the piano before and just fools around and he hears somebody humming and all of a sudden he can play

that, he might have been Mozart. I mean, it doesn't, these gifts, they are DNA from the stuff

seeps down. That's why I say you really, you know, you really take after your dad and they're not

talking about, you know, your big nose. There's a lot of things that come to us good and bad

from our past lives. Sometimes if it's a bad thing, if you go back and fix it and we're like

relive it, then maybe you'll fix it. You're familiar with Brian Weiss and one life many masters

kind of thing. That was the first book I ever read on spirituality, things like that. The

woman who had pain in her shoulder for her whole life, it was like her weak spot. And in the past

lives, she was a soldier and got hit in the shoulder with a bayonet. And once he took her through

and she passed it all that stuff, her shoulder was fine. Why does that happen? Tell me.

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vary by state and insurance plan. There seems to be some kind of energy coming through,

some kind of imprint, because they are children that remember past lives, and they'll have

past marks that relate to an injury in the past life. Yes, children who remember do. Well,

they say that kids can see and remember teller about five or six, like they can see orbs,

they can sense spirit. I guess they don't have any filters, or they're not skeptical at that age.

It's just they just have that sensitivity. I wanted to ask you about signs and feathers.

Is there a thing with feathers or a big sign that can come through? Feathers are a sign,

a little wink from spirit and bugs like butterflies or dragonflies, or even a bee.

Something with a very simple neurological system that spirit can get in, like they make me do

motions with my hands and arms. They can they can get in and circle around you

while you're sitting at a chair that a normal butterfly wouldn't do if they weren't possessed.

So bugs are good, and butterflies are big, big, big, and it's such a nice, a nice sign to get.

Lights flashing, dimming, flickering, TVs going on and off, anything to do with energy

because we just turn into energy. And like a song playing on the radio where it shouldn't be,

you know, you might be listening to country and rock around the clock comes out or something

that your loved one had a meaning to you. And I say if you hear a song that is meaningful,

go Google the lyrics because there's a message in there for you. You just have to go get it.

If you keep waking up in the middle of the night, write down or look up, let's say,

if I woke up at 326, I would grab my phone, put in 326 angel number, and it would give me a message

of what that means. And these things are not just random, it's synchronicity. They are trying

to connect with you. And they can be very tenacious. My daughter was getting some feathers from her

grandmother. And one night she had a friend sorority friend sleepover. My daughter walked into

the kitchen and on the kitchen floor was a white feather, a big white feather. And her friend

walked in, she goes, where did you get that? I saw that on the floor last night, you were asleep,

and I threw it in the trash. I thought it was trash. And she said, and then I came back into the

kitchen a little later, and it was on the floor again. And the trash can had an electric top. It's

not like it could. And then she said, that feather I had put in the trash three times last night,

and it kept showing up on the floor. Well, I didn't know they could do that. They wanted

make a connection to my daughter. And they were going to keep jumping out of that trash can

until she's the one who found it. Amazing. Spirit is amazing. I had something similar,

like that happen with feathers. Oh, yeah, tell me. I've told this before on the podcast, I

was interviewing somebody who was talking about angels and saying that sometimes they have feathers

for you. And the next day I was walking down the street and this feather just floated down in front

of me. I thought of the interview the night before, but I didn't think much of it.

And a few weeks later, I was interviewing a media, and I said to her, there was this thing with a feather,

and it fell out the sky. And she goes, oh, yeah, feathers are a sign. And we finished the interview.

And I went to my daughter's bedroom to talk to her. And she was very tidy. And right in the middle

of the floor was a feather. Yeah, I said to her, where did that come from? And she just said,

I don't know. And I thought, okay. And then weeks later, I met this medium house. And I'm sitting

opposite her. And we're in these big arm chairs. And she was doing her mediumship for about an hour.

And then afterwards, I was explaining to her this thing with feathers. And she just says,

look on the floor. And there's a feather on the floor in between us. And it had not been there

the whole hour that she's doing the mediumship. And neither of us got up or did anything.

Right. Yeah, feathers are big. I kind of wondered if the like the spirit guides or somebody

were trying to get a message to me. And they tried the first two times. And it's like they were

slapping their foreheads. What do we got a dude to get through to this guy? But eventually,

they did get through to me. What was the message? Was there a message or just like I love you

when we're around you? I mean, it doesn't have to be, you know, you let off your keys, you know,

they're under the bed. And it can just be where around you and we love you. And we're here.

It's yeah, it doesn't have to be a big message. It's just like a little poke, a little wink

that they're around. I tell people, coins, finding coins are another way they let you know they're

around. And I told this woman, because I said, I see coins. And you just sort of, you know, step over

them. I said, don't step over and pick them up. And then look at the date. It could be an important

date for you like your mother's birth year or yours or someone's angel day. So she got in touch

with me several days later. She goes, I found a quarter and it was like somewhere that I'd never

seen it before. And I don't know how it got there. And I said to myself, remember Barbara said,

check the date. Because when she was with me on the reading, we had her grandfather. So she said,

I check the date. And it was the year my grandfather died. So yeah, there's little, if there's signs

that talk, look up times, look up, look up anything that comes to you as, as, as a sign that you don't

can't quite explain thing or why is 444 always everywhere. It's on billboards for me. It's on

license plates. Just look it up because it might be a message for you right then and there that day.

Like follow your intuition. It's, it's, it's going to lead you down the right path. Maybe you had

an intuition that you, that you wanted. And you should, and we're wondering if it's real or

so do it. That's your sign to do it. I also like doing question and answer where the first question,

I sort of shanghai it, I take it and I say, I don't want to know the question. Just come up with a

question about your loved one, like knowing what you want to do, giving you some advice that they're

around you, that kind of thing. And, and I'll tell you what they're showing me. So that way my head

can't get involved. I don't want to know. So I said, well, your dad is showing me, you, that you

should like go to Africa, I'm getting all these visuals. And we're going to like a, a game

preserve for elephants. And I thought, okay, she's going to think I'm crazy. She goes, yesterday,

because one of the things she wanted to know in that session was, what should, what could her

purpose in life be? What would make her happy? Esther, well, you know that in your heart. She said,

I actually said to myself, I should go to Africa. And, and work on a preserve for elephants.

She said, I love elephants. So it's very, it's cool when you don't know the question. And you just

give, and they just give you the answer. So I, I loved that one. And so now she felt, I'm going to

really check that out now, because she got it twice in her own head. And spirit puts things in

our head, you know, we're not that smart so often. Um, they'll tell you, they'll guide you.

I said, if you're, if you always go down Avenue A to get home. And somehow you're, do you like,

today I think I'm going to take Avenue B. Do it. Do it. I've had people say they took a short cut

or a long cut. And they found out later that a gas tanker truck blew up on Avenue A. Just follow

your intuition. It's not just you. It's your loved ones that are protecting you and helping you.

Well, it's been great talking to you. Could you, like, give us your web address so people know

how to find you? Yes. It's been wonderful talking to you to Simon. Um, it's banner medium,

b-a-n-n-e-r-medium.com. And I, I, I put lots of little snippets of fun things that happen in,

in, in, in my readings, um, on TikTok and Facebook and, and Instagram. Um, and in the back of my,

um, website also. So, and you can also book there. Do you do this on Zoom so can anybody in the

world book with you? Yeah. And I have people, Koala, Lampur, Turkey, um, Germany everywhere,

all over the place, locks it from the UK. But in the UK, you guys have quite a few phenomenal

mediums. I don't know why anyone needs to go out, out of town for that. But, uh, yeah, all over.

Fantastic. Well, thanks again for coming on the podcast. Well, thank you as well. It's,

it's really been a lot of fun. This week, I was talking to Barbara Banner about mediumship

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