Mega Edition: Bill Barr And The Epstein Related Deposition Given To Congress (Part 1-3) (4/4/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

So we have the Bill Barr transcript from his deposition that he gave to the committee

when he sat down for a talk a few weeks ago. So in this episode we're going to begin taking a look

at that transcript and at what Bill Barr had to say during this interrogation if you want to call

it that. So obviously Bill Barr is going to be the one answering the questions and we have a

lot of redactions here. So if we don't have a name for the person asking the question I'll say

redacted and then I'll ask the question and then obviously the answers are from Bill Darth Barr

unless of course something changes and if it does I'll make sure I let you know as we're going

through this. All right so we're going to start with the examination and we're going to bypass

them swearing them in. By redacted so the person asking the questions is redacted.

Question very briefly we want to go through your background and the only two experiences that I

think are relevant today. Where did you attend undergrad and what year did you graduate?

Barr graduated Columbia College in 71. I got my masters from Columbia in 73. I went to law school

at GW here in Washington at night and graduated in 1977. Question thank you answer. During that time

I worked at CIA question and then President HW Bush appointed you to be United States Attorney General

from 91 to 93. Is that correct? Barr yes I was in the department at the start of his administration

and he ultimately appointed me Attorney General. Question and then President Trump appointed you

Attorney General in February of 2019 and then you left in December of 2020 correct answer right

I was confirmed in February of 2019. Question were you acting prior to your confirmation answer no

question moving on to the topic at hand just some preliminary questions have you ever met Mr.

Epstein answer have I what? Question have you ever met Jeffrey Epstein?

Barr not to my knowledge question all pause for a minute. Miss Crockett do you mind identifying

yourself for the record and now we got Jasmine Crockett asking questions yes Jasmine Crockett Texas 30

question and then have you ever met Miss Glenn Maxwell answer not to my knowledge question

in general is the Attorney General aware of every federal criminal investigation that's

happening at any given point answer no question what sort of cases would the Attorney General

be made aware of answer well generally things would percolate generally people would report

into the deputy Attorney General every morning I would have a staff meeting where the deputy

participated and his principal staff and my own staff and matters that had come that required my

attention would come through that system sometimes offices would directly communicate with me

especially when there was a conflict but matters would either come to my attention if there

was a disagreement within the department or if it was a matter of national importance question

did you or your staff closely monitor high profile cases within the United States answer I think

my staff monitored high profile cases and brought things to my attention that they felt I should

be aware of question and then for pretty much the remainder of the deposition will focus on your

time as Attorney General in the first Trump administration answer sure question do you have any

conversations about Epstein case while you are Attorney General answer by bar any conversations

question yeah just broadly answer yes question do you recall when the first one was answer I became

at some point and this was six years ago but I became aware that the southern district was

conducting an investigation I think it was a little bit before his arrest but I can't be sure

that it could have been around the time of his arrest but I was aware that they were conducting

an investigation now I don't recall specific discussions surrounding that I could tell you what

my understanding of what they were investigating but I don't remember particular conversations

it's just my impression of what came up at the time question can you describe your general

understanding of what they were investigating answer so my understanding was that they were

investigating whether he committed trafficking offenses particularly focusing on his exploitation

of young women and they were trying to make the case against them and in that context they were

also looking at whether any individuals were accomplices or a complicit in that activity either

as facilitators as you know they ultimately went after and convicted Glenn Maxwell

and I think they were and I know they were also looking at whether there was evidence to charge anyone

with participating in trafficking by having their involvement with the trafficked victims question

to the best that you can can you describe the difference between what participating in the

trafficking would be and what facilitating that trafficking would be answer having well the latter

I mean I'm sorry participation as would be having a listed sex with a minor a traffic minor question

and facilitating answer or anyone who was trafficking question yeah answer by bar but certainly

what the focus was on was a listed sexual activity with a minor question and then what would

facilitating be of I believe Miss Maxwell was and to that bar cuts off the person asking the question

answer helping can script young girls into Epstein's network of young girls who primarily were

involved in giving them massages and engaged in sexual activity with them question and then you

said you don't correct me if I'm wrong don't really recall more than the general conversations

at that point in time answer right question do you recall who those conversations were with

or kind of surrounding the arrest of Epstein in 2019 answer yeah it was either before it could have

been before the arrest but certainly by the time of the arrest I was aware of it and it would have

been it would have been the people who normally attend my meeting it could have been a conversation

with the US attorney but I don't remember if it was question do you recall who normally attended

those meetings you might have said earlier but answer it would have been the deputy and the deputy's

principal associate as well as my chief of staff and sometimes additional members of the staff

and it would also include from time to time you know other people other members of the staff

who were directly concerned with the matter question do you recall any conversations with the FBI

at that point in time still sticking to surrounding his arrest answer no question

and then you said you might have included the US attorney are you referring to the US attorney for

the Southern District of New York answer Jeff Berman yes answer do you recall any conversations

with anyone in the Southern District of Florida that time answer I don't recall question

and then do you recall any conversations with Mr. Alex Acosta at that time answer not about not

about this case question not about Epstein answer not about Epstein question okay he obviously served

in the administration bar yes question with you so in other cases answer yes question

similar questions different time frame and different subject for Miss Maxwell do you recall any

conversations about Miss Maxwell or the Maxwell case when you were attorney general answer yes

I can pinpoint particular discussions I think once he committed suicide you know the office I

remember being told and agreeing that the office had to go full bore ahead on finding other

crimes that may have been committed including looking for people who are accomplices in some way

or complicit in some way and her name came up in that context obviously as a prime person question

and don't recall just to avoid the same list of people but don't recall specific conversations with

anybody regarding the case answer I may have had some conversations with Berman where he said in

the wake of the suicide that he you know that the office was very much committed to continuing the

case getting to the bottom of everything question I'm going to and to that she's cut off or he's

cut off by bar answer I would say she disappeared and there was this embarrassing period where they

couldn't locate her and you know at some point I became aware that they were prepared to indict her

and that they couldn't find her but aside from that general information I couldn't recall anything

specific about that question I believe they eventually found her in like a cabin in Vermont or

something answer New Hampshire question New Hampshire do you recall how they ended up finding her

answer no I don't question I'm going to shift ahead in the timeline a little bit to Mr. Epstein's

death while at MCC in Manhattan so you previously stated that you're personally reviewed the security

footage from MCC from August 9th 2019 into the morning of August 10th we'll put up with the

department has since released just so you can review it and I just want to ask you a first question

does this look like the security footage that you would have reviewed at the time answer no

I can't remember specifically the security footage and what the composition of it was I do recall

that it showed the common area and a portion of the stairway up to Tyrell I think it's Tyrell

question yes so I'll ask some more specific questions but this is about 11 hours that the

department released this month or so ago and well we'll look at it schematically it's a camera

pointed towards the common area of the special housing unit at MCC the stairway on the left

goes to a different tier and then you can see a very little bit of stairway on the right

that goes to Tyrell answer uh-huh question but you do answer I really can't compare it because

I can't really remember question yeah answer exactly what I saw I remember what I remember about

what I saw is that the resolution was good enough that I could see what the guards were up to

the corrections officers were doing I mean not crystal clear but I could tell that they were looking

at computers and working on computers and so forth so I remember that the resolution was pretty

good and it may have been it could have been an enhanced or enlarged part of this I just don't

remember question and to the best of your recollection were there any anomalies in the tape that

you reviewed any missing minutes or anything like that answer not the number where of I was told

that I covered the period from the time he was putting his cell to the time he was discovered

I wasn't told of any missing minute and didn't notice any question you recall viewing other

camera angles like a camera pointed down to your L or a camera in the stairwell or anything answer

I do remember other footage looking at other footage as well but I think some may have been in

the hallways or entrances things like that question to the inspector general end up reviewing

Mr. Epstein's death investigating answer yeah question and they found that the camera pointed

directly down L block was transmitting in real time but not recording to DVR answer yeah question

does that match your recollection answer that matches my recollection let me just say that you know

that video came to me after but a lot of information started coming to me immediately in the wake

of his death and I was getting a lot of information sort of real time and including from the bureau

and as I found out things you know I started reaching my conclusions and this sort of came later

in my process question okay answer it wasn't the first thing I looked at question yeah answer I think

it took some time of working to get whatever they were getting to me so question I'll try to cover

as much as I can but we'll start with the video redacted I'm going to go ahead and introduce

what will be exhibit three just because I think it'll help in the discussion all right folks we're

going to wrap up right here and in the next episode we're going to pick up where we left off all

of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box what's up everyone

and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles in this episode we're picking up where we

left off with Bill Barr and his Epstein related deposition so the exhibit that they show is a map

of the special housing unit the top tier of the special housing unit at MCC with the cell

and it's produced by CBS bill bar yeah question and mr. Epstein cell is the one highlighted in red

and just while we're looking at this and looking at the camera footage the camera angle

that we're looking at is a little alcove in kind of the center of the map mr. O'Callaghan

this is you're representing that redacted about redacted yes I am mr. O'Callaghan okay

redacted and I can pull the CBS article mr. O'Callaghan I just want to make sure he's looking at where

you're appointing redacted so the camera positioned right there mr. O'Callaghan see look at what

redacted is doing redacted that camera position right here and pointed towards the common area

mr. O'Callaghan so it's up here bar okay I'm glad yeah mr. O'Callaghan and that's a cell

bar right mr. O'Callaghan okay redacted all right I'm going to play 30-ish seconds just so we

can get our bearings on what the movings of the gel look like and mr. O'Callaghan is Bill Barr's

lawyer question so just while this is playing you see what appears to be corrections officers kind

of walking around the common area going back to the desk and then there are specific points I

want to point out so that corrections officers came from what appears to be a blind spot on the

camera towards the right and that inmate came from what appears to be a blind spot on the camera

to the right we can pause it I understand we reviewed 15 seconds of the footage but based off

that review do you agree that there is a bit of a blind spot on this camera blocked by the stair

landing and that cell answer yes redacted I'm going to shift ahead to the 920 mark so I will

preface this with this 749 pm on August 9 2019 hit play video shown redacted so this video shows

mr. Epstein escorted from escorted by corrections officers from making a phone call back to his cell

in l block so you can see them kind of go out of the frame and go up those stairs to l block

mr. O'Callaghan again redacted you're representing that that's Epstein walking through

redacted yes and O'Callaghan you can't really tell redacted so is the DOJ IG in the FBI

the witness meaning bar I'm not going to challenge it redacted okay and that was going to be my next

is that your recollection of that scene as well that around 749 pm mr. Epstein went to his cell

for the evening answer I can't actually say that's my recollection of events that I saw in the video

which is him being taken to the cell that was 749 or whatever question and then again understanding

that we watched about 10 seconds of that walk from his phone to his cell but in addition to the

blind spot of the camera kind of off like to the right it's also a bit of a blind spot on the

staircase up to l block would you agree answer on this video you know only a portion of the stairway

all the way is reflected and my recollection was a portion of the stairway was reflected on the

video question that you reviewed as well answer yes question okay do you recall reviewing any

video that showed the staircase in its entirety answer no question do you recall reviewing any

video that showed l block in its entirety answer no question so going back to the diagram and

understanding kind of again we reviewed all of 30 seconds of this footage but I am representing

that it's the 30 seconds that surround his death or surround him going back to his cell the

blind spot also includes this door on the kind of center of the schematic which is an entrance

into the special housing unit and just asking based off your experience and everything that you've

reviewed looking at this looking at the video the only video that's publicly available is a

possible for someone to get up to mr. Epstein cell while evading that camera answer I don't believe

so question you don't believe so answer no question even though part of the staircase is blocked

and the entire doorway would be blocked answer yes I do not think it was physically possible for

someone else to go up that stairway question and then the question askers cut off by bar you

but then he's cut off question at the time you said you believe no one entered l block between the

time answer and not just because of the cameras though question uh-huh bar yeah question so what

other evidence did you have to support that statement that no one entered l block between 750

answer okay well I know we're starting with the video but for me the video was the icing on

the cake okay question okay answer so there was a lot of evidence about you know it stayed a

mind and other physical evidence pointing to suicide and also testimonial and records pointing

to this but one aspect of this is that the shoe itself physically isolated from the rest of the

facility and that it only has two entranceways the primary entranceway has to be open remotely by

central control so no one would have the key for it and it was my understanding that that would

leave a record of it being opened so there was no way to come in that door except going through

central control having it remotely opened and the second door the second question I'm sorry

just a primary door is the door in the center of the schematic that appears open in the picture

is that the primary one mr. O'Callaghan he's saying this one bar the one up here

redacted yes O'Callaghan are you pointing to the black rectangular section yes O'Callaghan

he's saying it's that question which one is the primary entrance into the SHU

answer well I don't recognize the schematic but from my recollection is the primary the primary

exit is over on the right hand side question okay answer and if it's over here then I would have

to see the schematic but my recollection is that you have to come up an elevator and then you get

into a room where you have to get through the control door that can only be opened centrally

and then once you get through that you come through the door that immediately enters

onto the SHU and that requires a key and my understanding was that the key to that was held by

the officers inside the SHU and they would have to come and let the person in that's my understanding

so I think that it was not physically possible in the first instance while in my opinion for someone

to come through there but otherwise it was also my judgment that the video corroborated that

because number one it showed the two officers who were in the SHU the only ones in the SHU at the

time did not leave their desk so they didn't go to let anyone in question uh-huh answer and second

it was my judgment from what I saw on the camera and what I looked at I didn't think it was

possible for someone to get up to the tear and open the door without being picked up on camera so

question opening the door would also potentially make noise answer oh clearly it's a big heavy

steel door question yeah answer yeah question thank you and then you said that in the central command

had to open one of the doors and then a key answer yes question located at the guard desk had to open

another set of doors right question did you review the command logs answer no I didn't question nobody

entered answer I didn't review them no question oh you didn't review the command logs are you aware

of the to that the person asking the question is cut off answer I didn't personally review them

I was aware that they had judged that it was not possible for someone to come in question

are you aware of anyone reviewed whether or not an entrance or exit was logged answer I believe

the bureau was looking at that intensively the whole issue of whether this could have been anything

other than a suicide question are you referring to the bureau of prisons or the FBI answer I'm

sorry the FBI question thank you answer and the IG question and they didn't almost four year

investigation into this I think answer the IG did question yeah answer the bureau was much quicker

question now we're going to go back back in time based on the evidence that you reviewed around 6 30

a.m. on August 10th I'm not sure they're a title but the individual delivering breakfast to the

inmates attempted deliver breakfast to Mr. Epstein he did not answer his door he called the guards

and they found the body and began providing medical care does it sound correct to you to the

best of your recollection answer yes question and then about an hour later he was pronounced dead at

a hospital at New York Presbyterian I believe in New York answer I know he was pronounced dead at

the hospital yeah question when were you first informed of Mr. Epstein's death answer it was Sunday

morning I was in my study at home and I got a call from my chief of staff saying that Epstein died

from an apparent suicide question do you recall about how close in time it was to the pronouncement

of death answer I don't recall it was in the morning I believe question and it's still your opinion

today that Mr. Epstein died by suicide answer absolutely question before getting into what kind of

the investigation looked like after that what information was flowing to you do you know to the

best of your knowledge what are the policies and procedures in place that were in place to

ensure that Mr. Epstein didn't commit suicide answer well there had been as you know there had

been an attempted suicide in July and based on that they put them under suicide watch which is

the most intensive form of monitoring and when he was taken off suicide watch based on the

psychologist at the MCC making the determination that he could be taken off that kind of intensive

watch I found that afterward you know his lawyers have been pressing hard for him to be let out

of suicide watch and in any event he was put on the next level down which was I forget exactly

the term used for it but required that he have a cellmate and that he was checked on every 30 minutes

in addition to you know the other general security systems in place those were the two that

applied directly to him that were supposed to prevent this question and on understanding

suicide watch is very intensive requires a lot of staff power and on suicide watch are they

provided with clothes that don't tear the sheets that don't tear answer I believe that's the case

question and then when you were first provided with a more formal briefing regarding Mr. Epstein's

death answer I think it came virtually every day I found out more information you know I was

obviously covering it very quickly and wanted to rule out anything other than suicide and so

pertinent information was flowing to me pretty consistently question and it was answer the FBI

conducting an investigation and the southern district was involved in that I within an hour of

or minutes of finding out about it I directed the IG to have people in New York go to the scene

and conduct an investigation start an investigation question and you've already said that you know

you reviewed security camera footage obviously there was a previous suicide attempt that probably

had psychologists notes and things that were available to the FBI and B.O.P. to review

and the IG to review were there any other things that you reviewed specifically answer I would

review photographs when people were discussing things that were pertinent I may have seen I think

I may have been shown logs that were apparently you know erroneously filled out by the corrections

officers things like that the systems were explained to me from time to time the B.O.P. was also

conducting their own investigation so there was sort of three investigations going on at once

question and it was kind of the culmination of all this information that was provided to you

that led you to the judgment that it was suicide answer yes well over time it became clearer and

clearer to me that it was undoubtedly suicide as I say the video was probably the last thing I looked

at or you know in reaching that conclusion question do you recall reviewing any specific documents

during that time period like the corners report answer I did review the corners report question

I asked this but did you review like entry and exit logs from the SHU answer I may have I saw

some records I can't remember what they are all right we're gonna wrap up right here and in the

next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off all of the information that goes with this

episode can be found in the description box what's up everyone and welcome to another episode

of the Epstein Chronicles in this episode we're gonna pick up where we left off with Bill Barr

and his deposition before Congress question do you recall reviewing any specific documents

during that time period like the corners report answer I did review the corners report question

did you I asked this but did you review like entry and exit logs for the SHU answer I may have

I saw some records I can't remember what they were question okay the chief medical examiner at

the time stated after examination that Epstein died by I believe it was described as kneeling hanging

so not jumping off the top bunk but using leverage to kind of lean forward does that fit your

recollection bar I remember discussing of a kneeling hanging but I can't remember what posture he

was in at the end question and answer they found them with his buttocks facing the question ground

answer ground so I'm not sure if he was on his knees at that point question but you hadn't do

you recall seeing any evidence that he jumped off the bunk or otherwise fell answer I think question

versus just kind of and bar cuts are off no I think the evidence was that he hung himself

and it was essentially close to the modus operandi that he had used before being put on watch you know

the same nooses and coming off the top and landing in that case he landed on his knees apparently

it didn't work I just have to interject here which I hate to do when we're doing these kinds of

episodes but man the whole entire narrative around the first supposed suicide is bunk absolute BS

question were you being kept apprised of the autopsy and its results in sort of real time answer

no question do you recall when bar that was conducted by New York question do you recall when

you first got briefed on the autopsy answer will I heard about it pretty soon after it came out

question and at that point it kind of confirmed to you that the medical examiner rolled it a suicide

answer by bar yes and the fact that there were I mean I think not only that ruling but the fact

that there was no sign of a struggle I mean he was a fairly large guy and the idea that people

would go in there and hang them in that way with numerous nooses being tied and so forth without

any sign of scuffle was not plausible question yeah I think I remember I don't remember which

investigation it was in but I remember reading like no you know skin or fibers under his fingernails

answer there was none question no like scratch marks anything answer no conclusions any kind

of defensive marks answer none question is that similar to your bar yes question recollection bar

yes question I believe Mr Epstein's brother hired a medical witness to review the autopsy answer

right question the examiner report named Dr Michael Bodden answer yes I see him occasionally on

TV I've seen him he frequently comes into these kinds of situations question I believe he was

described as an expert medical witness in high profile cases so answer uh-huh question take

with that what you will answer yes question but you recall Dr. Bodden being involved at the time

answer I remember just reading news coverage well he came in after I believe after the autopsy

reached his conclusions and he offered another view of it and I remember press reports to that

effect question his view which is contrary to the medical examiners and again I will say that he

is an expert medical witness not a medical examiner yes he is yes he is in fact Michael Bodden

has more experience than anybody that they had on their team at the time so do it that what you

will he's a medical witness not a medical examiner but that Epstein had fractures to his learnics

and I believe it was three fractures three different fractures to his high-oid bone in his neck

and that was described as extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and more consistent with homicidal

strangulation do you recall any conversations about Mr. Bodden's report within the department or with

the FBI answer by bar I remember conversations about it commenting on it question did anyone agree

with Mr. Bodden's finding answer bar no I mean no one expressed agreement during any of my

conversations question no one expressed disagreement to you did you understanding the evidence

and what it was and information was flowing really quickly did you ever see any evidence

suggested Mr. Epstein's death was a homicide answer no on the contrary I think when you look at the

accumulation of the evidence including the testimony of individuals his state of mind you know the

whole thing the process you know one of the things that impressed me was that it would have required

it would have required people it wasn't known until eight o'clock that morning I believe

that a cellmate was gone and it wasn't even clear during the day whether he'd get a replacement

so there wasn't much time for people to understand that he was going to be by himself very very

little time and this would have required coordination from probably two dozen people maybe within the

prison okay full stop why was Nicholas Tartaglione in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein the first time

around after Nicholas Tartaglione was already found with contraband in his cell while he was

facing four homicides furthermore we have no idea who was in that jail cell or in those cells

that were next to Jeffrey Epstein in the shoe nobody's ever come out and said anything

so could somebody have been planted in there previously to do this we got a whole last rabbit hole

still to jump down but it's always surface level shit with these people right they never want to

get to the actual story and all these people were in different groups you know the people who

were repairing the cameras the people who you know were responsible for opening and closing the door

the people who were responsible for putting in a new cellmate things like that for all that to be

coordinated it would have required I think as I say maybe two dozen people question uh-huh so kind

of and I'm not I don't mean to be testifying but like in summary kind of between a state of mind

previous suicide attempt and the process in place in addition to the coordination it would take

to override those processes all pointed towards the suicide answer by bar absolutely even before you

go to the physical possibility of getting into the shoe and getting up in his cell question all right

bar and the fact that there are eyewitnesses on that very tier other prisoners including two right

across the way who saw no one go in that night okay so let's hear from them bring them in front of

Congress we're just gonna take bill bars word for it you see here's my big problem folks I don't

trust any of these people so them telling me something is not gonna cut it let's see the evidence

question and they said they never heard the door open answer right question and things like that

to your knowledge to the FBI ever investigate Epstein's death as a homicide answer to my knowledge

no question do you know if anyone investigated answer I think they investigated to determine

whether it was a homicide but I don't think they ever you know got to the point of feeling that

this was a homicide question they never the evidence bar cuts her off I mean it was a homicide

or I mean a suicide question yeah answer yeah question the kind of evidence never swung to

more probable answer no question do you recall anyone investigating it as a homicide that you were

aware of answer no I don't think anyone got to the point of feeling that it was a murder well that's

a problem right there because any death that happens inside of a jail is considered a homicide

until an investigation cracks off they don't know what happened so they can't rule it out as a

homicide so it's a homicide investigation right question going back to Dr. Bodden just very

briefly I know that you said you recalled generally you recalled conversations regarding his

contrary findings do you recall having any conversations about Mr. Epstein's broken learnings

and hyoid bones outside of Dr. Bodden's findings answer I think I heard it discussed within the

department question and to the best of your recollection the discussions were that it was still

consistent with suicidal hanging answer right that they said they believe the medical examiner was

correct question and then you already said this but I want to ask it explicitly you instructed the

IG to open the investigation answer yes answer as soon as I got off the phone with my chief of staff

I believe he contacted I asked him to contact the IG immediately I know that they're very familiar

with Bureau of prisons and its processes and I was told that he had people up in New York who could

get to the prison right away question and then we've talked about Mr. Epstein's state of mind

an awful lot and you said that you were someone reviewed kind of the psychologist notes from the

previous suicide attempt the reports that are associated with taking an individual off suicide

watch do you recall any other evidence regarding what you reviewed regarding his state of mind Mr.

Epstein state of mind answer well you know I was aware of that you know he had tried suicide

which I viewed as an attempted suicide he had done his last will and testament right before question

when did you become aware of that one answer sometime during the period where I was absorbing

information I can't pinpoint it but there was a period of time where things were being learned

and I was finding out about them if they were pertinent and he his efforts to get bail had failed

so he was looking at a period of time of incarceration in that place which I think for him was very

difficult just to point out Epstein's lawyers tell us something completely different and I do

remember the buzz that was caused that Friday I believe by the release of documents by the court

that had a lot of salacious material in there about prominent individuals and so forth and that

caused quite a stir and so I think that my judgment was that this sort of set the stage for and was

and he made the call to his girlfriend apparently I found out early that he that procedures were not

followed and that he was allowed to make an unmonitored call to a woman who I believe in

Bella Russia and who was his I understood to be or believe to be his girlfriend at the time

and he made a call to her at that point so it seemed important for him to make a call to her that

evening so let's bring her in and let's talk to her let's talk to Dr. Bodden but no they won't

do it will they and so putting these together I think it was consistent with suicide question

and then jarring answer he cuts her off just as to just as to his state of mind all right folks

we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off

all of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box