Mega Edition: Bill Barr And The Epstein Related Deposition Given To Congress (Part 13-14) (4/4/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode we're picking up, where we left off, with Bill Barr and his deposition

to Congress.

Question alright, and then maybe the last three questions, which were already similar

questions, answer okay, that we're asked before but I'm going to rephrase them a little

bit.

You were asked these a little bit earlier but are you aware of any information or evidence

that suggests that Jeffrey Epstein was an employee of any foreign intelligence service?

Answer no, question, what about Mr. Epstein being an asset or an informant for any foreign

intelligence service?

Answer as opposed to an employee, question, uh-huh, answer, the question is, did I see such

evidence?

Question, are you aware of any evidence of that?

Answer no, question, similar question for the US and I believe you answered them.

Share of any information or evidence, answer, oh, evidence, meaning stuff that the Southern

District has and says this is evidence of that as opposed to speculation, question, yes.

Answer allegations that you see floating around the press, question, yes, answer, no, I've

never seen SDNY evidence, no, question and I'm going to be obnoxious and ask it.

Any other official channel evidence that suggests that he was a foreign intelligence asset?

Answer no.

And then you said earlier and I'll summarize it and you can please correct me if it's an

improper summary answer.

I believe that if he was an American asset as opposed to some businessman who shared some

stuff with the government, I would have heard about it from the intelligence agency.

Question that was going to be my short summary here, you testified earlier, not aware of any

evidence of Mr. Epstein being employed by US intelligence services and then your assumption

is that much like other people with large foreign ties, it would be not uncommon for him

to have discussions with the intelligence community.

Answer yeah, to share some information, I mean it's not uncommon at all for businessmen

who are being investigated to tell the prosecutors, you know, I work all the time with US intelligence,

that's not at all unusual.

And the answer is, okay, a lot of people do, but you know you're still capable of going

to jail for committing a crime.

Question, yeah, and you just touched on this, but were you ever informed by the national

security division of any potential impact to intelligence gathering or national security

regarding the Maxwell or Epstein prosecutions?

Answer no, especially not related to Epstein, you know, being prosecuted or a Maxwell.

Question, okay, they go off the record here and then they're back on.

Question, Mr. Barr, I'd like to return to the topic of Jeffrey Epstein's prison death.

You mentioned that the outset this morning, if I understood correctly, that you were informed

by your chief of staff that Mr. Epstein was dead, is that correct?

Answer yes, question, and that the chief of staff told you in his words that it was an

apparent suicide, is that right?

Answer I think so, question okay, answer, apparently words to that effect.

Question, did you have an understanding as to how your chief came to that conclusion on

the morning of his death?

Answer no, this was somewhat on the fly call to alert me to this, and also it was clear

that the circumstances was such that a call for an investigation, and I think as the term

may have been used, it was a shit show, and they would have to be looked at, but it was

an apparent suicide.

Question, and so what to your understanding, interruption or him, Barr or presented itself

in a suicide that way?

Question, to your understanding, what led them to that conclusion?

Answer common sense, question, could you elaborate?

Answer, well you know, think at first blush, well a lot went wrong, he was found by himself

in a cell, apparently hanging himself, and using the same modus operandi he did in

his previous attempt.

See why that previous attempt is so important, and why the Tartaglioni factor has been left

out for the most part?

Question, with respect to OIG's investigation, do you recall the names of the personnel

in the OIG's office who were involved?

Answer in what?

Question in the OIG investigation?

Answer no, I called Horowitz, directly, question, do you know the names of any other staff

who were involved?

Answer no, question that are working on it.

Answer like not off the top of my head, and I don't think I knew, maybe knew at the

time, but I certainly don't know now.

There was somebody I think up in New York that was close at hand, whose name was used.

So at the time, they had, he did identify some people who would be involved, but I don't

know them.

Question, you were asked earlier about the FBI's investigation in connection with the

death, and just to make sure that we're all on the same page, as to the scope of the

investigation, it's my understanding that a principal focus for the FBI was whether Mr.

Epstein's death was caused by homicide, is that fair?

Answer?

I think to figure out this was real suicide or was, you know, some kind of, was this a

murder, basically, question?

You were asked earlier whether you had spoken with any inmates at MCC and you said you hadn't,

just revisiting this because there was some public reporting or a suggestion that you spoke

with Efron Stonerias following Mr. Epstein's death.

Is that name familiar to you?

Answer no, question, okay.

Answer, I mean, who did he say he was?

And what did I talk to him about?

Question as I understand answer, I mean, this stuff happened six years ago and it's conceivable,

but I don't recall talking to an inmate, it was a former inmate or an inmate as I understand

an inmate of shoe contemporaneously with Mr. Epstein.

Answer no, I didn't go up to the shoe question.

This is my understanding from the public reporting at the time.

This is August 2019, you pointed to some delays in the investigation because certain witnesses

were not cooperative, do you recall?

Answer when?

Question do you recall that?

This is August of 2019.

Answer yeah, question and specifically a number of them as you described required having

union representatives and lawyers before you were able to schedule interviews.

Answer before the Southern District was able to schedule interviews.

Question you recall that?

Answer yes, question, okay, was a lack of cooperation that you encountered solely the insistence

on union representation or were there other factors?

Answer, there may have been other factors, I don't know.

My recollection is that the Southern District was explaining to me that it was taking time.

It was important to get the facts out as quickly as we could given all the conspiracy theories.

Question according to the IG report Mr. Epstein was taken by ambulance to the MCC to New

York, Presbyterian, Lower Manhattan Hospital, to your knowledge where EMT and medical personnel

questioned?

Answer, I don't know, I mean I don't know now, I may have known at the time, question

to your knowledge where DNA tests conducted on the bed sheets and Mr. Epstein's cell?

Answer I couldn't tell you.

Question we spoke earlier about video footage in the shoe.

Answer by the way, I would just say that again this is six years later, I'm not saying

I never knew whether DNA was run, just sitting here I can't remember whether that

was an aspect that I knew about.

I did know or was told that very good FBI agents were on this and were doing a very thorough

job.

Oh yeah, the FBI huh, we can all trust that.

Question turning back to the video footage, I just want to make sure that we're all

on the same page as to what you looked at.

There is the footage that the FBI made publicly available in July this year, is that the

same footage that you personally reviewed?

Answer, I said that I cannot say whether that was the same because I don't have

what I viewed, but what I viewed showed the common area.

Question, are you aware of being more than one version of that footage?

Answer of that footage, answer, question yes.

Answer from the same camera, question yes.

Answer, I don't know.

I think at some point I was told that they were working on enhancing it.

Question enhancing the version?

Answer, they were, I was interested in seeing the video and they were working on enhancing

the video and the primary video I viewed was one showing the common area and the guards

and the portion of the stairway.

Question, did you have any understanding as to what the enhancement involved exactly?

Answer, no, I don't even know whether it was enhanced.

I'm just saying I was told that they were working on enhancing it.

Question, I'd like to mark Exhibit C, a CBS article.

It's entitled CBS News, investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies.

It's dated July 29th, 2025, Mr. Barr, I'm going to ask you a couple of aspects of this article,

but please take all the time you need to review it.

Answer well, just tell me what the aspects are.

Question sure, so I'm looking seven pages in and I apologize this document is not paginated.

There's a subheading that reads experts, question investigators, interpretation of orange

shape moving up the stairs.

Answer, aha, question, do you see that?

Answer yeah, question, and then the paragraph below it reads just before 10.40pm, an orange

shape is seen moving up the stairs, leading debstines here.

Do you recall there being an orange shape in the video along the lines of that description?

Answer, I don't recall focusing on an orange shape going up.

Well wait, I'd have to see the clip.

And okay, answer to see what it refers to, question according to this piece and again,

I'll read it into the record.

The report says through review and analysis of the shoe video footage, witness statements

and BOP records, the OIG determined that approximately at 10.40pm, a corrections officer

believed to be Noel, carried linen or inmate clothing up to L tier, which was the last

time any CO approached the only entrance to the shoe tier in which Epstein was housed.

I mean only entrance we know about, what about through the venting system, is there another

way to get in?

Look, I'm not trying to be conspiratorial here, but these are questions that have to be asked.

Question, I recall when I watched the video that I watched what I believed to CO went up

the stairs, but did not go into the tier.

Question, CBS based on its analysis and again, I'll read the next paragraph here.

Video forensic experts who reviewed that footage at the request of CBS news were skeptical

about that interpretation and suggested that the shape could be a person dressed in an

orange prison jumpsuit climbing the stairs.

Conor McCourt, a retired NYPD sergeant and forensic video expert told CBS news, based

on the limited video, it's more likely it's a person in an orange uniform.

Would you agree with that observation?

Answer no.

Question and why not?

Answer, because when I watched it, I concluded it was the CO that went up at that time and

didn't go in.

And then skip ahead one, two, answer that was not only my interpretation, it was the

OIG's interpretation and the Southern District and the FBI's interpretation of whatever

they watched.

Question, I'm skipping four pages ahead in the article, answer, uh-huh, question and

the sub-reading that reads at 12 o'clock, 48 a.m., and on an identified individual passes

through the shoe.

Mr. O'Callahan over here, here.

Yeah, I see it.

Question, so just for the record, I'll read the paragraph.

The Inspector General's report says only two members entered the unit after midnight.

One is a corrections officer, identified only at CO3, the other is described as the morning

watch, operations lieutenant.

The presence of a third unidentified individual seen on the video is not addressed by the Inspector

General's report.

Were you aware of there being a third unidentified individual in the footage?

After all I can say is that when I watched it, in the movements were explained, it correlated

to the other evidence.

And I saw nothing of some strange unidentified person lingering around.

If there was such a person, there was an explanation for it, question and wood to that they're

cut off by bar.

I haven't.

I'd have to see what the Inspector General also says, but there was nothing that raised

that question for me, question and one last question on this article.

And I'm skipping ahead a couple of pages, one page, I'm sorry, to the bottom of the following

page under the subheading, were there other cameras recording, answer, yeah, question

and again, I'll just read the first two paragraphs into the record.

In addition to the cameras that failed to record other angles of the shoe, common area,

the Inspector General's report states that there were two additional cameras recording

events in the vicinity of the Epstein unit, one covering an elevator bank used to transport

inmates and another focused on a nearby guard desk.

Neither of those videos has been released, but a screen grab from one was included in

the report.

So were you aware of those recordings, answer, I was aware that there were other cameras

that were recording in the vicinity, and I believe that when I reviewed video, I saw

excerpts from other videos.

Question CBS goes on to conclude, answer, that's my best recollection, I'd have to see

a screen grab also.

I don't know.

Question CBS goes on to conclude, while federal officials have dismissed those recordings

as unhelpful and documenting what occurred that night, experts told CBS News that those

videos could add value to the analysis.

They could, for instance, help determine whether the DVR system did in fact reset nightly

and consistently lose one minute, as Attorney General Pound Bondi said, or provide evidence

to contradict or claim.

Do you have a view on that conclusion, answer, no, question, in light of CBS's conversation

or observation, do you think that those additional answer, I mean, we add a number of experts,

you know, different sets of experts, go over this and look at all the evidence together

and correlate it.

This is all very interesting, but to me, it doesn't carry weight.

Question, in light of CBS's conclusion, do you think that those additional recordings

should be publicly released?

Answer, I think that's a call for the AG.

I think if they conclude it adds value, I'd like to see them all released.

Question, nothing further, on this exhibit.

All right folks, we're going to wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing with

the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off.

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the bill bar deposition.

And Mr. Barr, I apologize for not asking this earlier, what was the name of your chief

of staff?

Answer, Brian Rabbit, question, thank you.

Answer at that time, question, we spoke earlier about the autopsy performed by the office

of the chief medical examiner for the city of New York.

Do you recall any specific staff at the medical examiner's office who were involved?

Answer, no, it's the cities, I think it belongs to the city.

Question, okay, answer, at the time I knew the name of the medical examiner, but I couldn't

recall that now, question, did you ever see the autopsy report before it was released?

Answer, no, question, or I'm sorry, before it was completed rather.

Answer, no, question, do you have an understanding as to why it hasn't been publicly released?

Answer, no, I don't know what their practice is.

Question, so the medical examiner determined that the death was a suicide.

To your knowledge, did the FBI continue to investigate the circumstances surrounding

Mr. Epstein's death after that point?

Answer, yes, question, and did it continue to investigate it as a possible homicide?

Answer, I think they were carrying out the investigation that was initiated as to determine

why the federal prisoner wound up dead in his cell.

Question, so to ask it a different way, did the FBI accept the medical examiner's conclusion?

Answer, it was a medical examiner's evidence.

Foreign evidence, obviously, question, and so did the FBI rule out the possibility of

a homicide at that point?

Answer, no, the FBI, my understanding is the FBI continued to rely on its own evidence

and conclusions and determinations.

It didn't stop just because the medical examiner made that ruling, and that would be true,

I think, in almost any case.

If the FBI is told to go in and conduct an investigation, federal investigation for the

Department of Justice on something, it'll do it.

The fact that a state official makes that ruling won't stop them.

Question, okay, I understand that you directed certain changes at BOP following Mr. Epstein's

death.

Answer, uh-huh, question, including replacing BOP leadership, answer, uh-huh, and that

included Kathy Hawks' sayer, answer, I brought her in.

Question, and Tom Kane, answer, yes, question, and does the name Timothy Shea familiar to you?

Answer, yes, question, and to his Mr. Shea.

Answer Shea was on my staff at the time, question, okay, and what was his role?

Answer, among, on his portfolio, or a BOP matters.

Question, so to your knowledge, did Mr. Shea have any communication with the medical examiner

as office?

Answer, not to my knowledge, I don't recall that.

Question, is there anyone else at the BOP who worked on addressing the operational issues

that surrounded Mr. Epstein's death?

Answer, I'm sure there were.

Question, any names that you can recall?

Answer, not that I can recall, you mean remedying the problems that were found?

Is that what you're talking about addressing?

Question, well generally, yeah, the circumstances surrounding the death and the remedial measures

that were undertaken afterwards.

Those are two different, two different things.

Reply's bar, question, yes, so globally.

Answer, I don't remember the people involved in those efforts.

And okay, there was discussion earlier regarding Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with Donald

Trump.

Mr. Trump is stated that he and Epstein fell out in the early 2000s.

Did you ever have an understanding as to the cause of their falling out?

Answer, I mean what's just been speculated in the press?

All I can recall Trump saying, to me, is that he had a falling out and pushed him out

of or somehow got him out of Mar-a-Lago?

That's what I remember.

Question, and this came up earlier.

It was reported that Attorney General Bondi advised the White House in May of this year

that President Trump's name appears in the Epstein files.

Do you have an understanding as to why Attorney General Bondi flag that for the White House?

Answer, I think that would normally be what an Attorney General would do, you know, is

to give the President a heads up.

If something is going to happen like that, the release of documents that have his name

in them.

And that will be, you know, there would be a lot of speculation about it.

Question, why is that?

Answer.

I mean, it's completely normal to tell the chief executive that his name is about to be

released.

There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

Question, a few questions for you, Mr. Barr, concerning Glenn Maxwell, understanding that

you were no longer at the DOJ when charges were brought against Ms. Maxwell.

Answer, no, I was at the DOJ when the charges, he's cut off by the person asking the questions.

Question, you were at the DOJ, I'm sorry, right?

You were still at the department where the charges that were brought against are supported

by the evidence in your view, answer, I was assured, they, I mean, I think I was

made aware of that evidence, what they intended to prove, and that it would support the charge.

So at the time I felt that they were, I don't have a different view today.

Question, and as we spoke about earlier, Ms. Maxwell's conviction, made a sex offender

for purposes of federal law, correct?

Answer, uh-huh.

Question, she was sentenced following trial to 240 months in prisonment to be followed

by five years of supervised release, the court imposed a $750,000 fine.

Do you view that as an appropriate sentence?

Answer, yes.

Question, do you believe Ms. Maxwell to be a credible witness?

Answer depends on what she's testifying about.

Reporter, can you repeat that?

Answer, it would depend on what she's testifying about.

Question, and the fact that she was charged with perjury with two counts of perjury, influence

your answer at all?

Answer of course, question, you're aware that in July of this year, Ms. Maxwell was

interviewed by Deputy Attorney General Todd Babybilly Blanche.

Answer, yes.

Question, okay.

Answer from public reports, question.

It's my understanding that at no point during the DOJ's investigation or during her prosecution

did Ms. Maxwell meet with the government to offer information, relevant Epstein's investigation

is that an accurate understanding?

Answer.

See, nothing springs to mind about her doing that.

Question, do you have an understanding as to why the Deputy Attorney General met with

Ms. Maxwell?

Answer, no.

Question, is it unusual in your view for the second highest law enforcement official at DOJ

to interview a potential cooperating witness?

Answer, it doesn't happen every day.

Question, can I take that as a yes?

Answer, yes.

Of course, it's unusual.

Question, and would you agree with me that it's typically the line prosecutors handling

the case that do the interviews with potential cooperators?

Answer typically, that's in a normal case.

This case has features that most cases don't have.

Question, even in an abnormal case, would it be your experience or expectation that in

an interview like this, the Deputy Attorney General would be accompanied by line prosecutors

who handled the case?

Answer, as I say, it's hard to say there's a particular practice since this doesn't

normally happen.

Question, DOJ, hold on, let's back up for a second.

It's also my understanding that in a typical case, it's customary for an FBI agent to present

for these interviews as well for the purpose of not taking.

Is that consistent with your understanding?

Answer, usually in the investigation of a case, yes.

I'm not sure what stage this was in and what it was related to.

Question, DOJ to date is not shared details of who from DOJ was president in the room,

if anyone with Mr. Blanche and Ms. Maxwell, is that unusual in your view?

Answer, no, because usually the Justice Department does not share information like that.

Question, even in a case like this, that's pretty closely in the public eye.

Answer, well, I'll say this, that's why this is an unusual case.

So to say, does this usually happen?

Does this usually happen?

The answer is usually no.

Question, until recently Ms. Maxwell had been serving her sentence at a federal prison

facility in Tallahassee, Florida.

Following her interview with Mr. Blanche, she was transferred to a federal prison camp

in Brian, Texas.

Are you familiar with the federal prison camp?

Answer, no.

Question, DOJ have an understanding as to why BOP move Ms. Maxwell to a federal prison

camp?

Answer, no.

Question, DOJ have a view as to whether that decision was appropriate?

Answer, no.

Because I think the initial regime that used when someone is sent to a corrections facility

does not necessarily dictate the way they're going to be treated all the way through.

And it's not uncommon for there to be lesser and lesser security involved, once the BOP

has experience with people as a prisoner, and they see they don't pose a threat.

And you know, I forgot what the word is used, but they're not disruptive prisoners or anything

like that.

They're relatively easy to manage.

There's a process whereby they go to less secure facilities, so you know, it doesn't strike

me as odd.

She was putting that facility.

You also have to remember, her initial confinement was quite severe because she was watched 24-7.

Question, I'd like to ask the court reporter to mark this as Exhibit D, a Washington Post

article.

It's titled Kalayan Maxwell's Move to Country Club Prison, Smacks a Special Treatment

Expert Say.

And I'm focusing on the fifth paragraph down at the bottom of the first page.

What refers to a long-standing policy from the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which according

to the article, restricts inmates with certain elevated security classifications known as

public safety factors from serving in federal prison camps.

Sex offenses are among the most severe.

Is that consistent with your understanding?

Answer obviously one of the public safety factors is the severity of the crime.

You also look at someone's role and whether they constitute the extent to which they constitute

an ongoing threat to the public.

Frequently you know it may have been the fact that it's a sex offense reflects a perversion,

a compulsion and so forth will frequently be determinative of that, but not in all

cases.

Question, the article goes on to note in the next sentence, and this is the top of the

second page, inmate serving sentences of ten years or more generally aren't eligible

for transfer to minimum security facilities.

This too would have been applied to Maxwell.

Who is not due for release until 2037?

Is that consistent with your understanding?

Answer that is what?

Question that inmates serving sentences of ten years or more generally aren't eligible

for transfer to federal prison camps.

Answer again generally, you know, to me doesn't, you know, I do not think that frequently

the only way you can get a prisoner in a facility for a long period of time to cooperate is

to offer something that you can deliver.

And I don't think it's unusual to put someone in a less severe condition of confinement

in return for cooperation.

Usually, that's the only way you can get someone who's in for a long term to cooperate.

Question, just one more statement in this article I'd like to direct your attention to, if

I could, and it's in the following paragraph.

The sentence reads, while it's not uncommon for prison officials to allow inmates who cooperate

with investigations to move to lower security facilities, it's rare for sex offenders

to receive such benefits, and they almost never get moved into prison camps like Brian.

Experts said, do you agree with that statement?

Answer, I'd have to see what the situation is.

You know, it may be that sex offenders rarely cooperate, and frequently the whole picture

of the person reflects an ongoing threat to the public.

And I don't know what the analysis was here by the Bureau of Prisons.

Question, Miss Maxwell's current attorney has stated publicly that he hopes his client

receives clemency from President Trump.

In your view, do circumstances exist that would justify a pardon or any other form of

clemency for Miss Maxwell?

Answer, that's an issue for the President to address.

Question, Chairman Comer stated, I'm sorry, Miss Maxwell's attorney stated, in July 29,

2025 letter to Chairman Comer, that his client quote, did not receive a fair trial.

Do you agree with that assertion?

Answer, I haven't seen his basis for saying that, so I can't agree with it.

Question, in the same letter, her attorney also describes Miss Maxwell as quote, a convenient

scapegoat, unquote following Mr. Epstein's death.

Do you agree with that characterization?

Answer, not to the extent that it just dismisses the idea that she herself was guilty of a

serious crime.

You know, I mean, it may be that a lot of public outrage at the events then became solely

focused on her, but that doesn't excuse or make her less responsible for that conduct.

Question, I'm getting close to the end, just a few more questions.

Some might ask questions pertain to an investigation that this committee undertook in 2019 in connection

with the Florida plea deal.

And that was during your tenure, do you recall that investigation?

Answer, I'm sorry.

I thought you were talking about the Florida plea deal back in the early 2000s.

Question yes, so this committee, the oversight committee in 2019 undertook an investigation

into the circumstances surrounding the 2007 plea deal in Florida.

Do you recall that?

Answer, I actually don't recall that.

And okay, answer, I'm sure it happened, but I don't recall it.

Question, I'm just going to mark exhibits.

I think we're up to E. So this will be E and F. Yes, these two letters from 2019 from

the committee in connection with this investigation.

So I'll turn to Exhibit E first.

That's the July letter to Corey Aminson of OPR.

Have you ever seen this letter before?

Answer, it's possible I have.

Equally briefed, I was frequently briefed by the legislative affairs person as to any

developments on the Hill.

I don't remember it though.

Question so the letter requested a briefing from OPR on issues relating to the 2007 plea

deal.

I can represent to you that OPR sent the committee a response confirming that it was conducting

an investigation, but declined to provide the requested briefing.

Do you have an understanding as to why it declined?

Answer, I don't recall.

As I say, I may very well have been briefed on this letter because I regularly was briefed

on developments including letters like this that were going to be rejected, you know, declined.

So I can't specifically say that it was explained.

I can remember explanation, but it doesn't surprise me that they would decline it.

I think it would be normal.

Question and why is that answer because it was an ongoing investigation.

The department is going to put that stuff out.

Question and then I'll turn to Exhibit F.

Generally, that stuff around the plea agreement bar answers wouldn't be normally put out.

So it doesn't surprise me that they rejected it.

O'Callaghan, do you have a copy of the department's response to the July 10th letter?

It's referenced in the December 20th letter.

It's an August 5th 2019 letter from Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd in response

to Chairman Cummings letter.

Yeah, I was planning to introduce it, redacted says O'Callaghan, it would just be if you're

showing the attorney, the former attorney general, the sequence of letters witness.

You asked me why it was declined.

O'Callaghan, yeah, witness, it would be good to see the letter, but that's okay.

Question turning to the December 20th letter, which is Exhibit F, do you recall seeing or

receiving that letter?

Answer no.

Question, okay, answer, but for the same thing.

I mean letters are coming during the Trump administration.

Question, sure.

We got a lot of letters coming in like this, understood.

If you're knowledge to DOJ ever provide documents that the committee requested in this letter,

answer, I don't know.

Is it the same documents?

O'Callaghan, the document request is witness, yeah, that would normally be, I mean, I think

any department of justice would at least initially really decline.

Question and why is that?

Bar, the reasons I stated, question, and I'll represent that DOJ did not in fact provide

documents pursuant to this letter.

Just a few more questions and then I'm done.

Mr. Barr, we've talked about a lot of names throughout the course of the day.

Is there anyone else in your opinion who may have firsthand knowledge relating to the

Epstein investigation or the Maxwell investigation that this committee should speak with?

Answer, while I mean, I think the people conducting the investigation, I mean, main justice

did not conduct the investigation.

And as I've said, the information was limited partly because that would be appropriate

and partly because it all depended on what the Southern District wished to share.

So I was, you know, if you're interested in finding out whether the investigation ever

developed information that would establish misconduct by someone other than the two who

were charged, I think the starting point would be the people who were involved in or

who supervised the investigation and the people who conducted it.

Question, so specifically the line attorneys and SDNY and the FBI agents answer, while

I mean the U.S. Attorney Jeff Berman.

Then yeah, answer, he supervises the investigation, question anyone else?

Answer?

Well, I mean, usually the department doesn't like line attorneys hauled up before Congress.

On the other hand, some of them have appeared to leave.

Question I asked you earlier about any communication that you had during your first tenure of the

Trump administration with the White House, just to complete the picture, have you discussed

the Epstein investigation with anyone in the current Trump administration?

Answer, no.

But that I recall, I may have expressed surprise that the thing had taken on, the character

that it has, question, and who would you have expressed that to?

Answer?

I don't know, some friend, question, and have you, gets cut off, bar answers, no one

in the department of justice that I can think of, question, and then the last question.

So I would put this in the category of conspiracy theory, but there has been a theory to the effect

that democratic politicians, including President Obama, President Biden, Hillary Clinton,

and so forth have tried to or planted President Trump's name in the Epstein files, or otherwise

tried to connect them to Epstein's investigation.

Do you have any knowledge to support that theory?

Answer?

I don't know the extent to which his name appears.

I mean, I know it's been on flight records, that's been public.

But I personally have no knowledge of, you know, any false information being fabricated

on him or anyone else.

Question?

Okay.

Answer well except for witnesses that have fabricated stories.

And apart from the individuals who I just named, the individuals you're referring to

are not the individuals that I just named on my question, the democratic politicians

who I just named.

Answer right.

Okay.

Question?

No further questions.

Thank you very much.

Off the record.

All right, folks, well, that's going to do it for the bill bar deposition.

And of course, once we get the Alexander Acosta deposition, we'll get that bad boy added

to the catalog as well.

As for this one, well, that's going to do it.

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