Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Extensive Forensic Work Done At the House (9/8/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome back to the program? Brian Coburger left DNA at the scene of the crime at the very least on the sheath of that knife Now the question becomes did he leave any other DNA around the house and Chances are that he did So the investigators they're gonna have other sources of DNA probably to use when it comes to trying to prosecute Brian Coburger for these crimes. We all know that DNA is going to be a huge factor here It's already been a huge factor and with there not being an actual eyewitness to the crime They're gonna have to tie Brian Coburger there using this DNA So as of now we know that they got some one touch DNA basically and that is from skin and Him handling that sheath Opening the button snapping it closed whatever it was his DNA is on that button and his defense team is going to have to

1:02argue why his DNA is on that button and why that sheath was in the house in the bed of a murdered girl Seems like a monumental task if you ask me and Forget it if they find other DNA that ties him to this this scene So I really don't know what kind of strategy Co-Burger thinks he's going to employer, but it's not looking real good for him and the more DNA evidence that they find the worst things get for Brian Coburger Today we have an article from Newsweek and the headline Brian Coburger may have left more DNA at the Idaho House This article was authored by Kalita Rockman Brian Coburger may have left more DNA at the house where he allegedly murdered for a University of Idaho students According to an expert on genetic genealogy DNA from a lone male was found on a knife sheath recovered at the rental home in Moscow where the victims Kaley Gonsalvis, Madison Mogen, Zannecernodal and Ethan Chapin were killed in the early morning hours

2:11On November 13th, according to a probable cause affidavit unsealed on Thursday The affidavit said that DNA was then matched with the DNA from the suspect's father found in trash Taken from Coburger's parents home in Pennsylvania where he was arrested in late December Not only is Coburger a coward for Sculking around in people's houses and murdering them allegedly But what sort of punk-ass bitch brings their problems home to their old-ass parents the way this dude did How many of these people are we gonna see do that? So it would Brian Laundry all of these people that bring their problems to their families? What sort of pieces shit are you? It's not bad enough. You've embarrassed the family at this point But now you have to have the police raid my house break my windows kick in my door I'd be real mad at this dude if I was his dad

3:11That was done using a standard test that has been accepted in courtrooms for decades to establish paternity CC more chief genetic genealogist at Parabond Nano lab set on news nation on Saturday So that is very very high confidence and just about every forensic expert that we hear from says the same thing That there's going to be a lot more DNA at this scene that's going to tie Coburger to these murders And I just don't know how him or his defense team is going to counteract that Bloodstained mattresses and furniture were removed from the crime scene this weekend More said it's possible that Coburger a 28 year old criminal justice doctoral student at Washington State University Just across the state border from Moscow could also be linked to other DNA found at the crime scene This was such an incredibly horrible crime scene and we're learning more and more all the time I think it's very likely there's additional DNA from Brian at the scene more said now whether it's

4:16Spiddle from his mouth or he cut himself or hair Chances are the investigators found other sources of DNA and now just because it's not in the probable cause affidavit Doesn't mean that they don't have it Even in the probable cause affidavit they're not going to show their full hand They're going to give enough where a judge is going to sign off on an arrest warrant and that's it Because they want to drop the information the evidence on the acute Come discovery they don't want to let them know early right so that they can build a strategy build a game plan So they probably have more DNA and they just haven't released it yet The DNA recovered from the knife sheath was probably touched DNA more said I wouldn't be all that surprised if you left additional DNA behind more added noting that the affidavit detailed how an unharmed roommate saw a masked intruder with bushy eyebrows walking toward her on the night of the killings

5:19We know from the witness statement that at least his eyebrows were showing and it sounds like his hair wasn't even covered more said So he may have left hair behind as well which also contains DNA Advancements in technology have meant that we can get quite a lot of information from even a ruthless hair now So I think both they and the defense are scouring that crime scene to see what else is there There is no doubt that the crime scene is the road map to finding who did this And with the investigators being there as long as they were And doing all of the diligent investigating that they did Hopefully they have secured more DNA that's going to make their case even stronger against Brian co burger Because you know is is team is going to have some sort of defense But I can't figure out what that defense is going to be at this point Because all of the evidence that we have that we have seen it really looks bad for Brian cober

6:21She said it wasn't clear why the mattresses were being moved now I think there's a lot of work on that crime scene already gathering any possible physical evidence to the prosecution's case to try and support their case She said co burger's defense team would be looking to try to find somebody else's DNA that they can try and pin this crime on She added well, that shouldn't be too difficult Considering this is a party house They should be able to find some DNA of other people But you're gonna have to explain all the other stuff as well Finding the DNA is one thing. How are you going to explain all of the other stuff the phone pinging coming back The fact that the phone was turned off and turned back on the surgical gloves. There's a lot here And while all of it Taken on its own doesn't look that damning When you weave it all together in the matter that these investigators have it becomes a lot more than just one little simple incident It's the totality of all of that stuff added up in the overall arching investigation

7:27And that's exactly what these investigators have done So if Brian co burger's team wants to say well, there's other DNA there from other people that wasn't Brian co burger who did this They're gonna have to explain all of the other stuff as well Jennifer coffin daffer a former FBI agent told newsweek that it's possible DNA from sweat or saliva From the person who killed the students could be recovered from the crime scene Now we know he was wearing a mask according to what the roommate said but we also know that he was talking And he said that he was there to help According to what we read in the affidavit So did he take the mask down so he could talk to his victim Remember we're dealing with obviously a psychotic narcissist here So did he take his mask down so that his victim could hear him clearly clearly Again, we don't know yet, but if he did there's chances that there is trace saliva evidence still on those bodies

8:29You leave a trace of yourself no matter where you go and you take traces of where you've been with you She said I have always said from the beginning DNA will be the savior in this case because there is no perfect murder when it comes to DNA It will be left behind She's not wrong this day and age if the police really want to find out who killed somebody They're going to find out eventually It all comes down to resources and how many people are working on the case On news nation more also said that she thinks it's possible that investigative genetic genealogy Was initially used by law enforcement to hone in on co-burger as the suspect in the killings It may have helped to determine that co-burgers family tree was consistent with the DNA sample from the nice sheath More said they don't have to include everything in the affidavit and genetic genealogy Should not be used for the basis of an arrest so in my opinion it would be proper that they left it out Yeah, it's just one of the the building blocks that they use one of the tools that they use to get them where they're going

9:35So the genetic genealogy that's not admissible in court But it's a building block to get to a point where you have evidence that's strong enough that becomes admissible in court And that's why this genetic genealogy is so important and so crucial to these investigators these days More has been contacted for further comment co-burger met his first appearance in Idaho court where he faces four charges of first degree murder on Thursday He didn't enter a plea and was ordered to be held without bail So as this investigation continues to evolve and we learn more I have zero doubt that we're going to hear about more DNA that was found in this house that can be tied to co-burger Now the question's going to be come after that. What is defense team does with that? How are they going to defend him from pretty much iron clad evidence And I'm very interested to see what their strategy is moving forward All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one if you'd like to contact me

10:38You can do that at bobby kapuchi at proton male.com. That's bo BBY C-A-P-U C-C-I at proton male.com You can also find me on Twitter at bo BBY underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I The link that I discussed can be found in the description box It's a T plus what's up everyone and welcome back to the program In this episode we're going to continue talking about the new documentary on court tv That was produced by court tv anchor Ted Rallens And in this documentary he's talking about a whole slew of different issues All the way from the testimony of the surviving roommates all the way up to the strength of the DNA evidence That's been collected against Brian co-burger And as I've said from the beginning the DNA evidence is the most pivotal But even that DNA evidence alone is not enough to convict Brian co-burger

11:38It's the totality of everything they have together That really makes the terrain so treacherous for Brian co-burger and his legal team Because there is just a mountain of evidence that when put together Is very very strong So continuing the conversation about that DNA evidence We have an article today from the New York Post And the headline DNA evidence alone is not enough to convict Brian co-burger According to a trial expert This article was authored by Alyssa Guzman And that is the fact it's not just going to be the DNA that does it While it's the strongest bit of evidence It's not just the DNA on its own That's going to see co-burger end up with the death penalty Like any good recipe you need many elements put together For the final product to come out and for it to be tasty Brian co-burger's defense team is going to attack the DNA evidence against them When he goes to trial in the grizzly murder of four university abitahose students

12:41But it still might not save him from a guilty verdict A trial expert pulled the post Well yeah Because the evidence against them is strong And they know that the DNA evidence is the strongest bit of evidence that they've collected So the prosecution wants to obviously make sure that that's out in the forefront But the defense on the other hand they want to try and punch holes in it They want to know who collected it They want to know their experience levels They want all of it Well all of the DOJ protocols were respected as you built your genealogical trees They're going to do all of that And that's going to be the basis of their challenge You know what they're not going to challenge That it's co-burger's DNA that's on that knife sheath You know why they're not going to challenge that because they can't The buccal swab that was on the warrant Well that buccal swab came back hot And once that buccal swab came back hot There's no doubt whose DNA it was on that knife sheath

13:42DNA on itself It's not everything Court TV anchor Ted Rowlands who has covered high profile trials for more than 20 years said People can leave their DNA on items they've never touched and in rooms they've never been in Yeah how about the DNA on the button of a sheath of a knife that was just used to murder two girls Oh and by the way that sheath still under the body of one of them Co-burger 28 is accused of slaughtering Kaley Gonsavis, Madison Mogen, Zannecernodal And Ethan Chapin in their off-campus home on November 13th of 2022 The Washington State University criminology student was identified as a suspect After he allegedly left DNA on a knife sheath found by cops at the crime scene Rowlands said he expects co-vergers lawyers will try to get the DNA evidence tossed out That's not going so well for them And considering the rulings that judge judge has made I highly doubt that that's going to change I highly doubt judge judge is going to toss this DNA out

14:45Now however if there was some kind of prosecutorial misconduct Some kind of issue with chain of custody then maybe But remember the whole entire argument that the DNA was sent to a different lab sent to somebody else that's mood Right in the warrant itself when we went through the warrants it says that the law enforcement agencies Can send those samples to anybody they think is going to help them with their investigation And they don't need a court order to do so So that whole entire basis that whole argument that they're going to try It's invalidated right from the jump But if they can come up with some kind of chain of custody issue Something like that then maybe they'll have themselves some tenable ground But besides that it's all going to be spinning your wheels and neutral As far as the DNA goes the judge ain't tossing it I think that from the defense's point of view you're going to see a huge attack on the DNA Because if you get rid of that you have a chance he said Well you're not going to get rid of it but he's not wrong

15:48The DNA is the glue If they didn't have that DNA it would be very very difficult for them to prosecute this case Would it be impossible? No but it would be a lot more difficult However this isn't just DNA It's DNA tied to the murder weapon allegedly The trial expert added and this is what I've been saying You know all this headline grabbing stuff is all fine and well And I get it and I know why they do it But the reality is unless you can explain that DNA on the sheath All this other contrarian bullshit goes right out the window for me Still Rowland's 57 said there are too many other things that potentially tie the accused murderer To the quadruple killing such as having a white Honda The same car near the crime scene shortly after the murders In addition, Coburger had a cell phone off Which made it harder to pinpoint his exact location While the Moscow murders were taking place to give him an alibi If he was really smart if he was sophisticated

16:49He would have left his phone at home and he would have left it on Get yourself a burner phone if you're going to commit crimes Dumb dumb and by the way don't ever take your burner phone with your real phone when you're leaving the house Thanks for coming to my TED talk And that's why I find it laughable When people are out here talking about oh well he was a criminologist Why would he ever leave the knife sheath well Due to a criminologist and forgot the very basics of being a criminal And that is A, you don't use your own car if you're committing crimes And B, don't bring your cell phone I mean we're talking about criminal behavior 101 He thought that if he turned his phone off he'd get away with it Rowland said of the alleged killer They have some hurdles he said of the defense team Yeah that's putting it mildly Some hurdles we're talking about forget hurdles We're talking about hurdles, minefields And then not only that we also have alligators that are popping up To rip your leg off as you're jumping over the hurdles That's the current outlook for the defense

17:51So I would say hurdles is putting it mildly When asked why he thought that the knife sheath had been left behind At the scene of the bloody slaying Rowland said he believes It was a complete accident And I think so too I think it was all in the moment I believe that Maddie Mogen and Kayleegon saw his fought back And whoever was in there with the knife That's what the girls took They grabbed it and that's why it was there I can't believe any other scenario That makes sense he said Unless of course coberger didn't have that sheath attached And he just dropped it in the middle of this scuffle Because I've always speculated that he didn't expect that Kayleegon was going to be there He thought that he was going to have the time that he wanted With Madison he only planned to hurt Madison But Kayleegon was there and it threw everything into disarray And then after Kayleeg was killed And he killed Madison He went stumbling out of that room Ran in the zanna, killed her in Ethan And then slithered out the back door like the fucking snake he is

18:55That's what I think happened Whoever did this, whether it be coberger or somebody else It's the last thing in the world, especially if it was coberger, Mr. criminology It's the last thing in the world that that person would do would be to leave behind his DNA Rowland said, well look, accidents happen And it doesn't matter if you're the greatest criminal in the world All it takes is one mistake And Brian coberger being a criminologist All the other stuff leading up to it I'm not too impressed Cell phone on, using your own car, staking the place out All of that stuff is going to lead directly back to you After something like this happens And as Mr. Big Shot criminologist You would think you would know that So maybe, just maybe, Brian coberger Wasn't that great of a student Wasn't that great of a criminologist And in fact, was nowhere near as smart as he thought he was Rowlands, who has produced a documentary about the high profile case

19:57Also thinks the Pennsylvania's native criminology studies will play a large role at trial It pains that picture of the ultimate scary boogie man That there is no way to defend yourself Of somebody that's analyzing allegedly the art of killing He said, definitely that Hannibal lector type shit Certainly not to that level but those kind of feels Got yourself a criminologist, a psychologist And they're out here murdering people Yeah, definitely not the most comforting fact we've ever talked about That's basically what I think they're going to argue That this guy research this and follow through with it And that's certainly how it appears All the different trips to the house allegedly The trip after the murders back to the house To take a look at his work allegedly All of that's going to add up And when you add all of that to the DNA And all of the other evidence that's been presented I don't know how any jury anywhere in the world can look at it and say You know what? We don't have enough evidence here

20:58Because my friends, the evidence is clear And the evidence is abundant Rowlands also theorized if co-burger is the murderer He may have wanted to test the system I think he wanted to test the system And act out on whatever internal impulses He said I think if he got away with this That this would have just been the beginning Assuming he actually did this And I agree Again, like I said a second ago I think originally it was only about Maddie And that's why we see the overkill on Kaylee He didn't expect her there He was pissed that she was there And he felt like she was taking away From his special time with Maddie And I truly believe that the original plan was just to kill Maddie And then get away with it And then probably do it again at some point But I think it's all of these what ifs All of these curves in the road And all of these questions that still have no answers That makes this case so fascinating And makes people so interested

21:59In what's going to happen So we'll continue to follow along And see what goes down And with the anniversary of the murders upon us There's certainly more to come All of the information that goes with this episode Can be found in the description box For DNA analysis Now we're hearing that some of these results Have come back already And I heard on a Nancy Grace video She was saying something like None of the matches even hit in quotas Now that's simply rumored speculation

23:01By Nancy Grace But it is pretty concerning And you would think that if they had a match in quotas already That they would have somebody Who would be their suspect Now remember They said that this killer was messy He was sloppy Or they were sloppy And that a lot of DNA was found at the scene Now the question is Was any of that TNA belonging to the killer Because the longer we go here And the more we move away from this being a targeted attack We have to start thinking Was this some sort of sophisticated plan That was put into place by somebody Who had no desire to get caught here And as we get more information back obviously DNA, test results, toxicology, all of that It'll provide a more robust picture But if Nancy Grace is right And none of this stuff is hitting quotas yet That is a bit concerning Today we have an article from Newsweek And the headline Retrieving DNA from House of Slain Idaho students Could be a nightmare This article was authored by Kalida Rockman

24:05As police continue to work on figuring out Who was behind the brutal slaying Of four university of Idaho students Experts say the DNA evidence in the case May pose a massive challenge for investigators Certainly not what we want to hear, right? Considering that it's DNA that usually leads investigators To where they're trying to go Now of course These are people talking about the case These investigators, these professionals experts They're not people who are actually working on the case We always have to keep that in mind And take it with a grain of salt, right? These are just expert opinions And what they think about what is going on Or what might occur That doesn't mean that this is, you know, 100% iron clad That the investigators haven't gotten anything from DNA Or that they won't get anything from DNA But it's certainly a possibility Kaley Gonsalves, Madison Mogen, Zanna Kernoel And Kernoel's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin We're found dead in their beds in a house

25:07Near the university campus in Moscow on November 13th The women lived at the house and Chapin was visiting Two roommates who were in the house at the time Slept through the attack, please said And they are not to not believed to be involved in the crime And I think a lot of people who think it was a targeted attack Think that it was targeted because the roommates survived And that's certainly a logical road to go down And it's certainly something that I believe as well But when we start getting the confusion From the investigators walking it back And saying it wasn't a targeted attack I'd like to know some more information about what was going on In the roommates room Meaning do they have locks on their doors Were the doors locked? Did somebody try and get in their room And know that they see the door was locked And decide it all right Well, we're just going to go upstairs and go on our rampage Because if you try and kick a door in Or break a door down That pretty much ends your whole entire rampage right there, right? So maybe, and again, just my speculation

26:07Maybe the killer or killers Try the door knob Saw that it was locked and decided just to move on with their rampage The slangs have left the community reeling With police yet to name any suspects in the case Or locate a murder weapon Forensic evidence collected from the crime scene is being processed The Moscow police department set on its website More than 100 pieces of physical evidence were collected And then taken to the Idaho State Police Crime Lab The police said we know that this information And this DNA and this evidence Some of it's been processed already And the results have been sent back to the police department We know that But the rest of it, the bulk of it It's going to take some time Toxicology All of this stuff doesn't happen overnight usually And I would love to see the FBI, the state, hell, the federal government even Send out mobile testing labs to help expedite the process here

27:09Look, we got four dead college students, folks Nobody has any idea who did it Community is in jeopardy still And the parents certainly deserve some justice So I would be completely on board With my federal tax dollars being spent to bring in some mobile labs here Experts say the nature of the crime and where it took place Means the DNA evidence may be difficult for investigators to utilize And that is not what anyone wants to hear But it's a reality If there is corrupted DNA Or the crime scene has been contaminated It's going to be very difficult for them to use that DNA And come to a conclusion on who the person or persons were It's five young women that occupy the space regularly And then you have one who was a boyfriend That was there, obviously, and is one of the victims Joseph Scott Morgan, a distinguished scholar of applied forensics At Jacksonville State University And Alabama told Newsweek

28:11You're going to have their common DNA in that house Just as a result of occupancy And for sure There's going to be a lot of DNA in that house Not only from the occupancy But from all of the people that were in and out Hanging out, coming over for kickbacks Coming over to children before games, football games or whatever So there's going to be a ton of cross contaminated DNA in that house Neighbors have told reporters that parties and gatherings Were regularly held at the house While police have said the surviving roommates Some and friends to the residents Before a 911 call requesting aid was made at 11.58am And responding officers arrived and located the victims on the second and third floors Morgan says those people likely left evidence of their presence Such as skin cells and hair All of that has to be taken into account He said so basically the DNA scene the crime scene Is going to be quite the puzzle for the investigate With the li- And as we're getting some more of those DNA results back

29:14I hope that they were able to isolate And then eliminate people that way right All right, well we know this person wasn't involved So that piece of DNA can be put to the wayside But it's certainly a challenging task This is not an easy thing That these investigators are doing And while I might criticize the messaging And how they've packaged this investigation I completely understand that they have a gigantic task ahead of them And it's not going to happen in one day If any of these occupants had other romantic partners Perhaps that would be there with more frequency than others Then there might be a robust DNA signature Left behind by those individuals It's a big obstacle for the investigators to overcome Joseph Geocloney A retired New York police sergeant And adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice agreed Telling newsweek DNA is going to be tough Because of the fact that you have a college house Lots of kids in there

30:14That's just a given With as much traffic as was going in and out of that house Unless there was some DNA left By the killer killers on the victims It's going to be difficult for the investigators To parcel this all out God knows how clean it was Or how much DNA are going to find from several different donors Any DNA that they find from an unknown subject Is going to take a while to come through Geocloney urged the public to be patient As investigators work the case We have to be patient There's no doubt But at the same time it's up to the investigators Not to shoot themselves in their own foot It's up to them Not to package this the wrong way And if they can't get their messaging straight Don't give any messaging at all Just give us written, updated You know Portions of your case or whatever you want to give the community That way Instead of getting up there And saying something that you're going to regret later They're going to have to wait for these DNA tests Toxicology reports to come back

31:14He said So if they have collected hair fibers, blood samples All that stuff takes time He added that there is no guarantee That even if a suspect's DNA is isolated It would match anyone In the national codeus database And that's what I mentioned earlier Remember just speculation Something that I heard Nancy Grace talk about I can't confirm it one way or the other But she says That what they've gotten back so far Hasn't matched in codeus So that's that's a bit concerning But we do have to remember There's a ton of DNA to go through So just because stuff hasn't popped yet Doesn't mean that it won't Later on down the road Then that presents a whole other problem Because now you have to look at the familial DNA aspects of it And that takes even longer he said So I think you have to give the police department A little bit of breathing room These kinds of cases are exhausting The Moscow police department has been contacted for comment And look I'm willing to do that as well I'm not somebody who's piling on here by any means I know that these investigators want to solve this case

32:17I'm certainly not sitting here thinking That they're you know playing dominoes in the office They're not doing their job But with that said that doesn't mean They or the investigation Or above a approach or above criticism So I'd like to see how these results all end up And how they all come back And hopefully it gives the investigators A robust ass road map to use To try and find the killer And bring them to justice All right folks that's going to do it for this one If you'd like to contact me You can do that at Bobbi Kupuchi at proton mel.com That's bobbiycapucci at proton mel.com You can also find me on twitter at bobbiy underscorecapucci The link that I discussed can be found in the description box What's up everyone and welcome back to the program Now that Brian co burger has been arraigned And a guilty plea has been entered on his behalf

33:18Now the discussion most certainly turns To what sort of evidence the prosecution has against Brian co burger And so far what we have seen has been very very strong And the thing that's really working against Brian co burger Is it's not just one bit of damning information There's a lot of information here That is relatively damaging on its own But when it's all tied together And then the bombshell that is the knife sheath With the DNA on it is added to the other evidence What you have in my opinion anyway is a rock solid case And I think that the prosecution is going to be able to make that case At this trial and they're going to be able to do it very effectively From the opening statement on And whenever there is a abundance of evidence The way that there is an abundance of evidence here It's very easy for the prosecution To put together their narrative And really harpoon the defendant

34:19When you have the truth on your side It's very easy to formulate a case And formulate a strong case Now flip it around for Brian co burger And he's going to have to explain a lot of things right Mainly how that DNA of his got on that knife sheath Now people will be out here saying Oh somebody could have stolen from him Okay maybe but did he report it to the police How do we know it was stolen And if it was stolen Isn't that a pretty big coincidence That somebody decides to leave it at a murder scene After they murder four people And from there he could say Well I was set up And then of course the question is Well who would set you up Do you have any people out there That you can point us to That would be Interested in setting you up for these murders And always keep in mind If you're not buying it Chances are a jury is not going to buy it either Because we're only going on circumstantial evidence Right The jury is going to have a lot of gruesome Information in front of them

35:20The same way we saw the Laurie Valow trial All of the pictures of J.J. and Tiley After they were exhumed And it's going to be emotional Well you don't think there's going to be pictures shown During this trial of these kids Massacred They're going to show those pictures And it's going to be gruesome And Brian Koeberger and his team Better have better excuses Than somebody stole the sheath And left it at the crime scene Today's article is from Newsweek And the headline Brian Koeberger's DNA on knife sheath Is surefire evidence According to a criminologist This article was authored by Kalita Rockman

36:28At the time he was a graduate student Study in criminology At nearby Washington State University And she's not wrong That is certainly surefire evidence If you have your DNA on the sheath of a knife That he was used to murder somebody Yeah chances are You're going to be the person that they're looking for And we all know how strong this DNA evidence is Now one thing I will say That the defense is going to look at Is chain of custody Was the chain of custody respected Was everything signed out correctly Was everything you know The eyes dotted and the tease crossed Because if not They'll look for a technicality here To try and get their client off He was arrested at his parents' home In Pennsylvania in late December Police Peace together DNA evidence Cell phone data And surveillance video To connect Koeberger to the crime According to a probable cause David David Unsealed in early January And everything that they talk about In that affidavit

37:28Is enhanced by the fact That this sheath was found With his DNA on it If they didn't have that DNA This case would not be nowhere near As strong as it is After being indicted by a grand jury last week Koeberger declined to enter please During his arrangement on Monday His defense attorney And Taylor told the judge That they were going to stand silent At this time Not guilty please The four counts of first degree murder And one count of burglary were entered On Koeberger's behalf And there's a lot that goes into that right There's a lot of strategy there There's a lot of Courtroom Manoeuvring And Brian Koeberger's defense team Thought that it would be a good idea To have the judge enter the plea On his behalf Rather than have Brian Koeberger do it for himself And it leaves them a little bit of wiggle room As far as legally But it doesn't really do much For Brian Koeberger Especially because I don't ever see this Turning into something that's a competency issue

38:31Like we saw with Lori Vallow I don't think Brian Koeberger would allow his legal team To pursue something like that Saying that he's crazy And that he's not competent enough To stand trial With the sort of personality That Brian Koeberger has I highly doubt that's a path that he's going to travel Koeberger's trial is currently scheduled To begin on October 2 Laita County prosecutor Bill Thompson Has 60 days from the arraignment To inform the court Whether he will seek the death penalty In the case And again I don't see how they don't Seek the death penalty here What's the point of having that law in the books If you're not going to seek it In a case like this Especially considering once again That we have that DNA on the knife sheath And Lord knows what other DNA has been found Remember that's all we know about All that's been made public Is the DNA on the knife sheath There could be a plethora of other DNA That they collected at the scene

39:33Off the bodies Hell off a Koeberger's car Wherever So imagine if they have that in reserve as well How bad it's going to be for Brian Koeberger When all the chips are put to the center of the table And the jury gets a good look Because I'll tell you we've seen people get convicted On the strengths of the evidence that has been collected here alone We have seen convictions before That have been based on their digital movements Based on a recreation And then you add the DNA to it And forget it This guy is done for And as far as the date That has been set October 2 I'm not too sure if we'll get that date I think that will probably see some kind of postponement Or delay here But hopefully it gets expedited And this thing gets started According to a criminologist Debbie Goodman The DNA evidence in the case is strong And believes it will be a focus of Koeberger's trial No doubt about that

40:33100% the DNA is going to be a major cog here And it's going to be what sends Brian Koeberger to prison When all is said and done I have to think that there's more DNA That has been collected Considering how gruesome the crime scene was According to the officers who arrived According to the medical examiner You mean to tell me there was no Transfer DNA anywhere on Brian Koeberger I have a hard time believing that Now maybe he took some kind of steps to prevent it But even the most minuscule particle Can be found by these investigators So chances are they found other DNA evidence That's going to bolster what they've already shown us Indeed, this is surefire evidence She said during an appearance on news nation Traces of DNA from a lone male Were on the button of a leather knife sheath Found in the home where the victims were killed According to the affidavit written by Brett Payne A police corporal and Moscow

41:35Investigators later closely matched the DNA on the sheath To DNA found and trash taken From Brian Koeberger's parents home in Pennsylvania We have an art field something very very important When it comes to murder cases such as this It's genetic genealogy good men said And it's something that they utilize very efficiently And it has proven to be very very effective No mad means is Each of us has our own composition compilation Of saliva, fluid, blood, print And the fact that we have this knife sheath We are now able to take that And our investigators have done a tremendous job here Local, state, and federal Whereby they have aligned the composition Of what's on that knife sheath with trash That has been discarded in the family home of the Koeberger's And there is alignment So that I believe as a criminologist Is going to be a central feature In this case, well for sure That sheath was found At the scene of the crime next to Madison Mogen's body

42:38Had it Brian Koeberger's DNA get on that sheath That's the question that everybody who thinks he's innocent Has to answer And so far I haven't seen one logical train of thought About that yet Not one person coming forward With a convincing argument As to why Brian Koeberger is innocent here However, Duncan Levin, a criminal defense attorney Previously told Newsweek That the evidence that led to Koeberger's arrest Isn't indisputable That's true, it's not Unless of course they have other DNA evidence That we're not aware of And I really think that they do But say they don't Say they have no other DNA evidence that they found The evidence that they still have Is strong as hell And the fact that that sheath was found at the crime scene With his DNA on it Is going to have to be explained to the jurors And I have no idea How Anne Taylor Brian Koeberger Or anybody else living or dead Could come up with a plausible explanation

43:40The DNA on the knife sheath is not irrefutable proof of anything Since it does not put him in the house at the time of the murders Levin said Well, that's true but explained it to the jurors You see that's all fine and well When you make those statements on TV Or you post something like that on the internet The fact is the jurors need explanations And if you don't have a logical explanation For why that knife sheath is at that house With all of the other evidence they already have You are going to be found guilty DNA and cell phone evidence can be very technical And subject across examination he added Well of course everything is subject to cross examination But if you're not working with anything As far as the truth goes It's very hard for a defense attorney To put together a tangible defense And I think that's where we're at here I don't think Anne Taylor Or anybody else is going to be able to put up A tangible defense That's going to convince 12 jurors That Brian Colberger is not the man who killed these kids

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