Mega Edition: Day Number 4 Of The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (3/23/26)

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It's a significant portion of today's proceedings

that were spent on one of the witnesses

and that witness is Juan Alessi.

Now, Juan Alessi was Jeffrey Epstein's

butler slash housekeeper

and somebody who was pretty much always around.

And in his testimony today,

he goes into some of the duties

that he was responsible for.

While working for Epstein and Maxwell.

You see, Golan Maxwell's defense,

they wanna set it up like Golan Maxwell

wasn't in a position of power.

Like Golan Maxwell wasn't somebody

who was calling the shots in a leadership position.

But what this testimony shows

and what I believe we'll see coming in the future

is going to show is that is a fantasy.

Golan Maxwell was calling the shots.

She was the lady of the house

and her word was, you know, the final say,

she spoke and the employees had to listen.

And that's what Juan Alessi gets at today

with some of his testimony.

Now, my question is obviously with Juan Alessi,

he says he knows that he saw some of these girls

and they were underage

and all this other stuff going on at this house.

Why not come forward previously?

Why do you have to wait so long?

And I wonder if he was offered some sort of deal

by the federal government to give this testimony

or if this is just something he is doing of his free will.

So that's definitely something interesting

as far as what has brought him forward as of now.

And not in the past, right?

All of a sudden he's willing to testify.

You were in Epstein's employ for a long, long time, buddy.

You saw a lot of very dirty, devious things.

And you were there right at the heart of the operation

while all of this was going on.

So I'd like to get an answer

for why it's taken so long for you to come

and put these people on blast.

And you could definitely set it up

and frame it that Alessi took part

as an enabler and somebody who helped facilitate

this traffic ingering, right?

Obviously his defense would be, well, I didn't know,

but how far does that go with the law?

Oh, I don't know.

Tell that to the judge and see how it works out.

So that's why I'm wondering if maybe he was cut

some sort of deal for his testimony.

You know the government loves to do that.

They'll give deals to anybody

if it is going to move the goalposts for them

and they're going to be able to get their conviction.

They gave Sammy the bull grovana a deal

and old boy admitted to killing like 18 people.

Probably had about 50 or 60,

but you know admitted to the 18

and the government was more than happy to give them a deal

as long as they could get gotty.

So I don't have any evidence of that one way or the other

and I haven't seen any of that

or any conversation talking about that

in any of the articles I've been reading.

So I'm going to keep looking to see

how this all came about with his testimony,

but I would guess and again, this is a guess here

that the government leaned on him in one way or the other

maybe threatened conviction or something like that,

but it's very questionable to me

that all of a sudden now he wants to talk.

When Jeffrey Epstein got that Kush as deal,

he should have come forward then

and said, hey, look, he shouldn't get this deal.

This dude's a predator.

This dude is bringing little girls to the house

at a insane clip, but he didn't do that

and neither did any of the other co-conspirators

and that's where the big problem comes in

where when you try and set them up as victims,

you can't set up Sarah Kellen Vickers

as a Sarah Kellen Vickers as a victim.

She had every chance in the world to turn on Epstein

to go to the authorities.

She didn't do any of that.

In fact, she stayed in touch with them,

kept in contact, kept, you know,

being his pal in the whole line.

You talk about Leslie Groff, same thing.

All of these people, all of these co-conspirators,

every last one of them,

that has something to do with Epstein's enterprise,

has to do with the facilitation of the trafficking

because it's obvious to anybody

who's paying attention at this point

and obviously that's a lot of you right now

that this wasn't just, you know,

a guy and a girl who decided to come up with this plot

and put it into motion all on their own.

There are a lot of moving parts here

and again, as we get deeper into this trial,

hopefully some of that stuff will come to light,

but I'll be posting context episodes

as this whole entire thing continues

to highlight some of that stuff

because it's very important to understand the scope

of everything that went on here

and to understand that it wasn't just Epstein and Maxwell

doing all of this on their own.

The evidence points to something completely different

and when you're running a criminal conspiracy like this,

a criminal enterprise,

you have to have many different people

under your umbrella that are going to make it work.

You have to have accountants, lawyers, lieutenants,

such as the core four, Maxwell, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross

and all of these things have to work in cohesion

for this to be able to happen the way it did.

So all of these other people that helped make this happen,

there's no way that they shouldn't be culpable

for what occurred.

And I think one of the biggest travesties

about the whole entire thing here is that point

that there were a lot of other people involved

and I'm not talking about people on the outer edge

is either I'm talking about people who were integral

to the operation of this criminal enterprise.

And if it was any other sort of criminal enterprise,

these people who were involved,

lieutenants and street captains,

if it was a, say a mafia enterprise,

they'd all get snagged up too, right?

They don't just go after the person who was in charge,

the person in a leadership role,

they usually go after everybody.

And it's usually from the bottom up.

So I'm wondering if they offered any other immunity deals,

if they offered any deals at all to get testimony.

So that's one thing I took away from the testimony

of Alessi today and just interesting all around

that now it's time for him to talk.

So with that said, let's take a look at some of the

back and forth today in the courtroom

and we'll go over the bit of transcripts

that are available to us or court notes,

I should say that are available to us

and try and build a better picture

of what went on in that courtroom today.

Now remember, these aren't the full,

this isn't the full Monty, right?

This isn't the full back and forth.

This just is a basic idea of what went on in the courtroom

and what was said and the gist of the conversation

between the prosecution and the defense.

Without us having a call in line here,

which is ridiculous, like nobody's business,

considering we've had a call in line

pretty much for all of the proceedings leading up to this,

we have to rely on those kinds of notes.

So it does at least build more of a picture

of what's going on and give us a better idea

of what's going on inside of the courtroom.

It's still not the complete full Monty, right?

So anyway, let's take a look at the proceedings

and a look at some of the back and forth

between the witnesses and the lawyers.

So the first person who was called to the stand today

was a gentleman named Paul Cain

of New York City's professional children's school.

And when they had him on the stand,

they were asking him about an exhibit

and that exhibit was exhibit 721 and they asked him,

do you recognize it?

This is the prosecutors asking the questions

right now, by the way.

Cain says, it's an enrollment application for a student.

Maureen Comey, the prosecutor says,

don't say the name, isn't an accurate copy.

To that Cain replies, yes, it is.

And after he is saying that, he says that,

there is an objection from Maxwell's lawyer,

Pagliuccia, and he says it's hearsay.

So to counter that, the prosecution responds

and says that it is a business record

and that it's something that should be put into the docket.

Judge Nathan agrees with the prosecution

and she over rules their objection.

So it goes on and Maxwell's lawyer asks

if she can question the witness.

Nathan, Judge Nathan gives her permission

and the lawyer goes on to ask,

the professional children's school

doesn't verify the accuracy of the info on the form,

does it?

Cain responds, I think they do.

Maxwell's lawyer says, all of it?

Cain says that, I don't know.

Maxwell's lawyer, so the info,

and as she's asking the question,

she's cut off by Maureen Comey,

who says, your honor, may I?

And they go on through their whole entire thing.

And the prosecutor asks,

what happens to the info coming in?

Cain responds, contact the family by phone,

then invite them to tour the school

and have a conversation.

Comey goes on to ask, does the school rely on the form?

Which Cain responds, yes.

So what they're trying to do here

is establish that whoever Jane is

went to this school or applied to this school

and that the benefactor

who we see right here coming up is Jeffrey Epstein.

So the prosecutor asks, what grade was the person applying for?

And Cain says, the 12th grade,

and it said, do to move to New York.

So the prosecution asks, who is listed

as the person of financial responsibility?

And that's when Cain says Jeffrey Epstein.

So what they're trying to establish here

is that Jeffrey Epstein was acting as a benefactor to Jane

and that he was offering her, obviously financial rewards

to stay in his sphere or to think that the behavior

that he was engaging in was normal.

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So they're trying to set that up and show on paper

that Epstein was involved in all of these girls' lives.

And if anyone knows anything about Epstein,

they know he wasn't some just giver to give.

When he gave money, it was because he expected

something in return, one way or the other.

Now Maxwell's lawyers asked him,

do you have any idea if he says, excuse me,

you have no idea if Mr. Epstein actually paid

and Kane says I do not.

So Maxwell's lawyer goes on to ask

for the mother, does it say unemployed?

And again, another shot at the mom, right?

Trying to establish that this is about money.

This is a money grab.

That's all it is.

So when you see them and you see them defending Maxwell,

it's really always the two different tactics, right?

You don't know what you're talking about.

You've misremembered or B, you're trying to get some money.

You're trying to make a little bit of money out of this.

And that's all it is.

Maxwell, the lawyer asks, who is the listed agent?

And to this, the prosecution objects.

Judge Nathan decides to let the jurors look at it

at that point.

And Maxwell's lawyers tell them to look at the name in the corner.

The name of the prior principle,

you don't have to say them for the record,

no further questions.

So again, basically what they are trying to do here

is establish that Jeffrey Epstein is, in fact,

or was a benefactor here.

Now the next witness that they call up

because that was all there is to it for that witness.

It was very short, very to the point.

And obviously they were just looking to establish

that Epstein on paper here was the benefactor

and try to show the jury that Epstein did, in fact,

do this kind of thing to try and get into the good graces

of the family to therefore get himself access

to these children on their own.

So the next witness is Dr. Lisa Rocchio.

And she has a masters in PhD from the University of Rhode Island.

And they go into it.

She's an expert in grooming, child grooming,

and all of that kind of thing.

So she deals with all kinds of really dirty, disgusting stuff.

They get her on the stand after all of her credentials

are read and all of that.

And Colmy asks, did you interview anyone in this case

to which the witness responds, no, Colmy asks,

does your paid depend on the outcome of the trial?

Rocchio says, no, prosecution asks again, what is grooming?

To which Rocchio responds strategies

to get children into sex.

So she's trying to establish that what Epstein was up to

was, in fact, grooming him in Maxwell.

So Maxwell would go out, she'd find these girls,

she'd bring them into the sphere,

and then she'd normalize the behavior.

You hear about all of the other girls and women

that were there topless, all of them that were engaging

in the massaging, et cetera, et cetera.

And it becomes a normalized process for these girls

who were being brought into this.

Rocchio goes on to say, I've seen grooming in the boy scouts

through a special camping trip or jewelry,

anything to make the children feel they are appreciated.

So again, trying to establish,

when you're at someone like Epstein,

buying these children who are basically strangers,

all of these gifts and showering them with school,

scholarships, and all this other stuff,

it wasn't coming from the bottom of his heart, right?

Now don't get me wrong, there are some good people out there

who want to help and do that kind of thing,

but for the most part, especially when we're dealing

with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein and Galen Maxwell,

we know what their motivations were.

The prosecution goes on, how common is it for a child

to be repeatedly abused by the same perp?

Rocchio responds very common.

It's by people close to the child.

Comey then asks, then asks, what is a grooming environment?

Rocchio responds, the perp develops trust

with people around the child, for example, with the parents.

And again, setting the stage,

wants to show the jury that this is how the process works.

This is how clinically it works.

And when you bring on a specialist

who deals in this specifically,

well, it goes a long way to the jury to show them,

you know, hey, look, this is how someone like Maxwell

engages in this sort of procedure.

This is the surrounding environment of it.

And this is how it all takes place, the gifts,

the showering them with approval,

making them feel wanted and loved.

And that's why they choose girls or boys from broken homes.

Kids that don't have the loving parents

or the nurturing relationship with guardians.

And that's why these scumbag predators specifically

go after children like this.

After a long public sidebar, they come back

and the prosecution asks, are victims of child sexual abuse

likely to report it to the police?

Roqueo says, no.

Prosecution says, how do they talk about it?

To this Maxwell's lawyer, they object.

They say no foundation and that's it,

to which it's sustained by Judge Nathan.

So the question is reframed by prosecution.

And they say, they ask, what is the long-term impact?

Roqueo goes on to respond.

They're at higher risk for adverse outcomes.

Prosecution rests and they give the witness over

to the defense.

So they're asking about the long-term outcome, right?

What does this sort of thing do in the long term?

And obviously it causes all sorts of mental issues,

grief, PTSD, obviously anxiety, all kinds of stuff

that these people carry with them

for the rest of their lives.

And it's not just an incident where it happens

and it's over and that's it.

They move on and they forget about it.

So what they're trying to show is the actual blow

that it takes on these people, on these survivors

and the impact in a long and lasting manner.

Because this isn't something that, oh, well,

I broke my arm, I'll be over it the next day.

This is something that they carry with them

the rest of their lives and it's serious baggage.

So they go on to ask Roqueo, Maxwell's lawyers now,

obviously, Dr. Roqueo, you have a $45,000 contract

for this, correct?

Roqueo responds, yes, Maxwell's lawyer,

if one had a brain injury, it might be hard to remember, right?

To which prosecution objects and that objection

is sustained by Judge Nathan.

So they were trying to hint that perhaps one of these survivors

has some sort of brain injury and it might be hard

for them to remember.

Like I said earlier, that's their line, right?

That's their strategy, oh, you misremembered.

So we're gonna be seeing a lot of that

throughout this whole entire thing for sure.

Maxwell's lawyers go on to ask about alcohol

and they say, would that harm the recall too?

And to that, once again, objection, which is sustained

and Maxwell's lawyer then asks,

are you familiar with confabulation?

To this, the prosecution objects, but they're overruled.

Maxwell's lawyer says, it's filling in the gaps

to that another objection, which this time, it's sustained.

Then Maxwell's lawyer goes, and this is one where I was like,

are you kidding me right now?

You're really gonna go this route, but Pagliucci did.

He said, my grandfather liked to take me to the Bronx Zoo.

Was that grooming?

I don't know, was it?

What did he do to you while you're at the Bronx Zoo, dude?

Talk about conflating the issue and showing disregard

and no care for what these girls are saying

or what they went through.

An absolute joke, honestly.

But I've come to expect that from Maxwell's team

throughout this whole entire thing

and they're gonna continue down that path.

They're not going to take their foot off of the gas.

They understand that it's, they have no hope.

When it comes to the evidence here,

they have zero hope in my opinion.

So they're going to continue to try and demean the credibility.

After that exchange, that was the end of that

for Dr. Occhio and then they moved on to wanna Lesi,

who was the bulk of this day.

And he was a butler.

He was Jeffrey Epstein's housekeeper

and he was somebody who was always around.

Jeffrey Epstein, during the time especially,

when all of this is alleged to have taken place.

So he gets up on the stand

and the first question that they ask from Colmy

from the prosecution is where do you come from

and he answers, he's from Ecuador.

Says he moved here in 1984

and he worked for a wealthy family on Palm Beach.

He was a maintenance guy

and then he worked for Mr. Jeffrey Epstein.

So they go on to ask and this is a doozy here folks too

for those of you who are locked in

and you know what's going on.

Prosecution asked, how did you meet Epstein?

And the Lesi responds with,

I was working on Mr. Wexner's mother's house.

Well isn't that nice?

Isn't that nice?

So he met Jeffrey Epstein in 1984.

Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner, at the very least,

been friends since 1984 now, correct?

Now we know that there's a bunch of other timelines out there.

I'm just going on by what we can talk about, you know,

in court, that's corroborated here

in court and documents and whatnot.

But it establishes right away,

the connection between Wexner and Epstein,

another connection that nobody seems to really care about.

Now I shouldn't say nobody, but the legacy media,

they really don't want anything to do with it.

A lot of independent content creators,

a lot of independent journalists

have been shaking those bushes for a long time.

But Wexner is one of those guys

that people just don't want to take on.

The cohort reality though,

is he was a huge factor in Jeffrey Epstein's life

and he was a huge factor in everything Jeffrey Epstein,

you know, was up to financially at the very least.

And we can't forget, he is credibly accused

by Virginia Roberts of partaking in the abuse as well.

So Les Wexner is certainly somebody who deserves

a little bit more conversation, you would think, right?

Somebody who deserves a little bit more of a chitchat perhaps.

But we don't have that, like we should.

There's not as big of an investigation as there should be.

But it's interesting to see that that's established here by a Les See.

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Who is in this photo?

They obviously show him a photo and he says Mr. Jeffrey Epstein.

When Mr. Epstein was in Palm Beach, where did you sleep?

Les See says, I had a room there.

Prosecution asks, who else worked there?

Les See says, I brought my wife to help me and other girls.

So obviously he's talking about, you know, the core four

and the other girls that were working on the property.

Sarah Kellen Vickers, especially.

How did things change after Mr.

after Ms. Maxwell got involved?

Les See responds, things were less cordial, less conversation.

I was not allowed to see Mr. Epstein anymore

unless he asked me questions.

Ms. Maxwell said, don't look at his eyes.

Look at another part of him.

So Maxwell comes in and she takes the reins, right?

Does that sound like somebody who is being a victim to you?

Does that sound like somebody who is out of control?

Meaning somebody who doesn't have their finger

on the button of control?

Of course not.

She is running the whole house.

She's running everything.

She's making sure that everything, everything,

is moving in the proper manner.

And not only that, according to the survivors,

there was times that she took part.

So we know that Maxwell was very rude

and looked down on other people,

according to reports from people who knew her.

And listening to Les See's testimony here,

it's rather obvious how she looked at the help.

So they go to lunch after that,

but come back right into the questioning.

And prosecution tells us to pull up exhibit 297.

They asked Mr. Les See what it is.

And it's a blueprint of picture of the bedroom,

et cetera, et cetera.

And it's the second floor.

There was a huge bathroom up there as well, he says.

And what's the other bathroom?

Asked prosecution.

Les See responds, that's Ms. Maxwell's bathroom.

Prosecution says, but they both came off the master bedroom.

Les See says yes.

Where did Ms. Maxwell sleep in the Palm Beach house?

Maxwell's lawyer objection.

Overruled.

And Les See says she slept in Mr. Epstein's bedroom,

which is relatively interesting.

But when you're engaging in all this kind of behavior,

you know, I wouldn't be shocked.

Now, you'll never get me to believe

that Jeffrey Epstein and Galen Maxwell

were ever in love or anything like that.

I've been pretty clear about how I feel about that.

This was a business relationship.

They were, you know, maybe they were canoodling

because, you know, whatever reason,

but there was certainly no feelings of love there.

They were playing a part in my opinion.

And all players have to play their part on the stage, right?

And if that was going to give them more of an in

to polite society of them being presented as a couple,

then that's what they were going to do.

So I don't buy for a minute that they were ever in love

or anything like that.

The prosecution goes on to ask,

how many times did you see females by Mr. Epstein's pool?

Les See responds hundreds.

Prosecution then says, how often were they topless?

Les See says 75% of the time.

And that corresponds with a lot of what we've heard in the past

about what Epstein was up to at the pools and stuff,

having naked girls there, girls with their tops off,

and the behavior being normalized.

Remember, that's all part of this.

He wanted to normalize all of this behavior,

so the new girls that were brought in,

they would just seamlessly transition into this

and not ask any questions.

And none of that would have been possible,

none of it, my opinion, without Galen Maxwell

and her facilitation of all of this.

Prosecution then goes on to ask about Little St. James Island.

And the Les See says, I was on a cruise with my wife

to St. Thomas, and they picked us up

and showed us Little St. James.

It was huge.

Prosecution asks, did you visit any of Miss Maxwell's properties?

And the Les See responds, her town home in London,

she invited us.

It had a red front door.

So this is the muse house in London,

that Maxwell just recently sold.

And this is also allegedly the place

where Prince Andrew, aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family,

had relations with Virginia and sexually abused her

while she was being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein

and Galen Maxwell.

So that's a pretty significant mention.

Although it doesn't really hold any water here

or have any kind of, you know, impact one way or the other,

it's just an interesting tidbit,

considering the parallel lawsuit that we see

that Virginia has right now going against, Prince Andrew.

Now they're talking about a booklet.

So the prosecution asked to show them government exhibit 606.

And what it was was a checklist, right?

And it was 58 pages long.

So the prosecution says to them, what is it?

And the Les See responded that it's a list

of what we're supposed to do to maintain the house.

So he had like a whole, a 58 page punch list

to maintain the house.

Imagine that.

Here's your 58 page book.

And this is what I want you to make sure the house looks like.

So they were very particular about the house.

They wanted it to look like a five-star resort.

They wanted to make sure that it was always, you know,

in that sort of state.

But instead of hiring a whole team of people,

Epstein's cheap ass and Maxwell's cheap ass,

they had one guy do it all.

So it was probably not the funnest time in the world, right?

If you're the hired help working for Jeffrey Epstein

in Golan Maxwell.

And as part of his duties with that checklist was to hear

nothing, say nothing, and speak nothing.

So everything was very clandestine with them.

And he had that whole entire book that he had to adhere to.

So after the prosecution was done with a Les See,

after they asked the question about the 58 page book,

it was time for Maxwell's lawyers to dive in.

And Maxwell's lawyers started out, when you left,

you didn't have this in your possession.

Did you talking about the book?

Unless he responded, no, I did not.

Then Maxwell's lawyers said, but this book was created

after you left, at least by the date on it.

So what they're trying to do is establish that

a Les See is misremembering as well here.

That a Les See also doesn't know what he's talking about.

That's what they're, that's what they're looking at here.

That's what they're trying to establish here.

And it is rather funny that they're

trying that same tactic with a Les See as well.

After a long sidebar, Maxwell's lawyers go on to say,

as you sit here today, 19 years later,

you have no idea where Exhibit 52 has been.

And they're, again, trying to establish

kind of custody if it was tampered with, et cetera, et cetera.

Maxwell's lawyer goes on to say, you said the book was

two inches thick, but Exhibit 52 is a quarter inch thick,

correct?

Unless he says, yes.

Maxwell's lawyer, a book you were talking about

was from New York, right?

Unless he goes on to say, yes.

And then they go on to ask about the Post-It notes.

And the Post-It notes weren't there, right?

Unless he says, right.

Then prosecution says, could jump in and ask,

did you take messages for Mr. Epstein?

How?

If he didn't want to talk or call or wasn't there.

So he was taking messages for Epstein

when people would call or whatever,

and he'd put it down in the book.

Maxwell's lawyers now, again, ask,

there are a number of pages without dates next to the names.

Do you know that?

Unless he responds, I guess so.

Now, prosecution admits some sealed exhibits.

They're not to be put on the screens or anything like that.

Prosecution goes on to ask, what supplies

did you buy for the massages?

Unless he responds, no oils, I was.

Maxwell's lawyers, they object to this.

No doubt about it.

The last thing they want to do is have this line of question

and continue on.

Prosecution goes on to ask, did Ms. Maxwell give you supplies?

Unless he responds exotic oils for other countries.

Prosecution was Mr. Epstein's door open during the massages?

Unless he never.

Afterward, I went in with gloves.

Prosecution, why?

Unless he to clean up.

What?

Again.

If you're looking at this in a vacuum,

you're saying to yourself, well, it was just a massage.

What's the big deal?

But that's not the case.

Jeffrey Epstein, in his world, in his realm, massage

was short for sexual dalliances, for sexual assault,

basically, of these girls being trafficked.

And it was a very unhidden secret.

That's what it meant.

So unless he was charged with buying some supplies

for these massages.

And then afterwards, he was in there to clean up.

Prosecution goes on, what did you see after the massages?

Towels?

Unless he responds yes, but not all of the massages.

Prosecution, do any incidents stand out in your mind?

Unless he.

I found a large dildo.

Prosecution, what did you do with it?

Unless he.

I washed it up.

So again, he wasn't going, it wasn't a regular massage.

When's the last time you went to a massage,

and there's a dildo in there that has to be cleaned up

by some guy with gloves on.

It's absurd that they would think anyone's buying the nonsense

that they're spinning.

Oh, it was just a dildo that was in there

for no specific purposes.

It just happened to be a coincidence

that it's in the same massage room that Jeffrey Epstein's

in with these miners that Galen Maxwell brought

these miners to.

It's just a coincidence.

They go on to ask him, where did you put the dildo?

Unless he responded, he put it in Maxwell's bathroom

in a basket.

They asked him, how did you know where to put it?

Unless he says, I knew everything going on in the house.

Prosecution, what else was in the basket?

Unless he, I saw pornographic tapes.

Well, what?

And there should have been some more questions

in my opinion here, who was on these pornographic tapes?

What do you mean pornographic tapes?

What kind of pornographic tapes?

And then him saying, well, I knew everything

that was going on in the house.

Again, it leads me to believe that how could he not be looked

at as a co-conspirator, right?

At the very least, maybe the feds leaned on him

to get this testimony, because I don't see what he gains

from giving this testimony all of these years later

if he wasn't at the very least threatened

with some kind of indictment.

How often did you see the dildo?

Prosecution asks, he says, at least five times.

Prosecution goes on to say, and the other one, the massager,

the ball at the end, vibrate?

Unless he said, yes, I would put it

at the top of Mr. Epstein's dresser.

Again, what they're doing is they're showing you,

they're laying it out.

The whole scenario, how the room was set up,

how everything was ready to go for Jeffrey Epstein

and his disgusting draconian gross ass proclivities,

and how Maxwell facilitated all of this

by giving the directions to,

unless he, on what supplies to buy,

then cleaning it up, letting him know where everything goes.

So you see how it was a well-irled machine,

and what I mean, but how it couldn't happen

with just one person trying to do this?

They go on after that questioning,

and there was some stuff about Virginia Roberts as well

that I wanted to touch on.

Let's see here, let me grab my notes and find where I put it.

It was pretty crazy, because here it is.

Unless he says that Virginia Roberts, she looks so young,

she had blonde hair, and she had a long white uniform

like the nurses.

Unless he says that, he saw Virginia Roberts

at Mar-a-Lago Trump's Club,

and that's where Galaine Maxwell hopped out of the car

with the little pup named Max to try and talk to Virginia,

and this is all from a Lessie's testimony today.

Now, remember Virginia is not part of this prosecution,

but I don't know how that's possible, honestly.

Her allegations are so heinous that I guess we could make

a whole other episode about that gripe.

Lessie was also asked about Epstein and Jane going to the movies,

and Lessie replied, yes, they went to the movies.

He corroborated multiple parts of Jane's testimony

on the witness stand, and he seemed to be a pretty solid

witness for the prosecution here.

So they go on with the questioning of him,

but I wanted to just add those other little tidbits

from earlier on with Virginia and some of the other things

that he was talking about,

because I believe that it's pretty impactful stuff

and pretty important when you're putting the pieces together.

It corroborates a lot of what Virginia has said,

along with all of the other evidence she's provided,

but again, it corroborates it, and it just adds more,

more to the side of truth and makes it much harder

for these scumbags like the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family

to defend, because let's be real.

They have not brought anything to the table.

No evidence to defend themselves.

Prosecution goes on to ask, were there photographs

of naked women, Lessie, yes,

but those were kept in Miss Maxwell's desk.

Prosecution, why did you leave Mr. Epstein's employee?

I was sick and tired.

Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement?

Lessie says yes about both of them,

but one of the real reasons he left Mr. Epstein's employee,

let's remember, Lessie again is not some hero

of this story or anything like that.

He clips 6,300 bucks from Epstein,

and that's why he left Epstein's employee.

Prosecution asked him, were you questioned by the police

after you took 6,300 dollars from Mr. Epstein?

Lessie responded, yes.

Prosecution, were you arrested?

Lessie, no.

And at this point, the prosecution's done with them

and Maxwell's lawyers decide to start the cross examination

tomorrow instead, because it's already 448 at this point,

and they don't want to bleed over and go late.

So that's where we're at today, folks.

Those are the three witnesses that took the stand.

Lessie's testimony, I thought, was pretty helpful

for the prosecution here.

And I think that it laid a lot of groundwork

for what's coming next.

They're setting it up, right?

You have the specialists that come on to set it up

and the whole entire groundwork of how grooming

was employed here and how it was Maxwell playing

a pivotal figure of the whole entire ring

that they're putting out there for you, right?

That's the picture that's being painted.

And I think they'll continue to do that in the days

moving forward with the other witnesses.

They're going to bring up onto the stand.

And now, remember, there wasn't even an accuser

who testified today.

So we got three more accusers who will be testifying

plus a ton of other witnesses.

So tomorrow morning, we'll be right back at it, folks.

Same time, we'll be doing the morning update,

getting us prepared for what comes next,

and then, of course, the evening update,

where we take a look at what transpired in the courtroom.

I'll also have a couple of context episodes uploaded.

I have one about one, a Lessie that I'm going to upload,

and a couple of other ones.

So until tomorrow, folks, I hope you all have a great night.

Brickett!