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And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

Today, we're going to hear from another survivor

of Galen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

And this survivor's name is Gretchen Rhodes.

Today's article is from I News, and it's relatively lengthy.

So we're just going to dive right in.

Headline, Galen Maxwell's survivor reveals, for first time,

her abuse on Jeffrey Epstein's island and jet.

Isn't that the jet that all of his friends like to ride on?

You know, Bill Clinton wrote on it, Bill Gates, all of it.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

That's the same jet.

The author of this article, Rob Hastings.

Gretchen Rhodes was a 24-year-old massage therapist

when Galen Maxwell walked into her life and changed it forever.

It was 2001, and Rhodes was working in a spa

on the Caribbean island of St. John, when the socialite,

co-conspirator, General All-around Scuzzbag,

fellow child abuser, and bipedal serpent,

entered the room, spotted her, and made a beeline for her target.

She had a proposal.

Clearly attracted by Rhodes' good looks,

or rather, knowing they would appeal to her partner, Jeffrey Epstein,

Maxwell wanted this young woman to work for her as a personal masseuse.

And we've seen this how many times?

This was the MO.

Look, massage was critical to them.

It was a crucial function of everything that was going on

within the Epstein organization.

And they would go out and recruit these massage therapists,

and they'd bring them in under the guise of them being,

you know, a masseuse, but the reality is,

once they got on scene, the abuse would begin.

And it's also laughable that anyone would think

that Virginia Roberts at 16, who is working not as a masseuse

at the time, by the way, would be recruited as a masseuse.

If you have all the money that Epstein and Maxwell has,

why would you be recruiting a masseuse off the street

or in a towel room, when you could pay for top of the line,

massage therapists from anywhere in the world?

It doesn't make any sense.

Unless, of course, you have other desires.

Rhodes felt uneasy and politely turned her down,

but Maxwell handed over her business card

and returned to the salon several times

over the next few weeks.

She was persistent.

She was intense.

She was going to get what she wanted,

and she wanted Rhodes.

And again, this is part of the grooming, right?

This is all part of the reason why Galaine Maxwell is in prison.

Oh, well, she was being tried for Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

She's the one out here recruiting these girls.

She was the one who walked them directly

into the pit of the viper.

So don't tell me she's being held as some sort of scapegoat.

That is so weak when people say stuff like that,

and it shows how little they understand

about what truly went on here.

The Kansas-born aspiring singer

who had trained in massaging to pay her bills

eventually gave in.

And it was exciting, she admits,

to be picked up by boat

and taken on the 15-minute voyage

to Epstein's private island of Little St. James.

You look, if you don't know what's going on, right,

say you're just some young massage therapist

or young man or woman, whatever,

and you have this opportunity to go and work

with these super rich people

and perhaps launch your career into the stratosphere.

That's a big deal.

And I know a lot of you out there

have been in positions like that before.

You've been on the cusp of breaking through

in your industry.

You get invited to a party maybe

with colleagues and boom, before you know it,

you made some contacts and you're off and running.

And a lot of these girls

who were over here as massage therapists

and from broken homes,

that was the original intent.

They thought they were going to have a better life

because of the circumstance of meeting,

Maxwell or Epstein.

But the reality is it made their lives a lot worse.

Only now does Rhodes finally feel able

to publicly disclose the sexual abuse that followed.

And again, this is one of the unnamed girls

we talk about all the time.

Now Miss Rhodes is coming out

and bravely telling her story

and adding her voice to the chorus

of those who have had enough.

But how many other women like Miss Rhodes

are there out there?

My guess is hundreds, folks, if not thousands.

I'm a victim and they are predators.

She tells eyes speaking on a video call from Italy.

They manipulated me and they did all these things

to make me feel like this stuff was normal.

It was not normal and it should not have ever happened.

I should never have been put in that position.

I went through something horrific.

These people targeted me.

And look, how many times have I told you

that the whole point is for them

to try and normalize this behavior.

And when it's normalized,

then it's a lot easier for the girls

that they're just bringing in to get groomed

and molded in the correct way.

Because if everybody else is doing it around you,

you think hell, this is the way the rich people live.

I gotta get on board.

How many of you would know the protocol

if you were at some Shware, an Upper East Side of New York?

Not many of us.

First of all, I wouldn't even be invited.

I wouldn't get by the guards because I'm showing up

in a t-shirt, probably a rancid t-shirt.

Maybe a bad religion t-shirt, a pair of jeans

and some Chuck tailors.

That's how I'm showing up.

So I'm not even getting through the front door.

On Maxwell's sentencing last week

for five counts of trafficking,

the countless girls and young women she tricked

and groomed into becoming Epstein's victims, road says.

In my eyes, honestly, 20 years is being let off.

That's nothing.

I was really upset about it.

I was very angry.

And look, every single one of these women

who were abused are going to have

their own emotions about this.

They're not just one giant, you know, one group

you could paint with a broad brush

and say, well, all of the survivors

feel one way or the other.

That's not the case.

Everybody's a unique individual.

Everybody experience their own pain and suffering

and everyone's going to look at the situation differently.

But I tend to agree with Ms. Rhodes.

20 years is certainly not enough, in my opinion,

especially when you understand that she's

going to be able to scooch and scotch.

Opening up more than two decades after first encountering

the couple, Rhodes is preparing for her life to change again.

She is among the survivors revealing

what happened to them in the new Channel 4 documentary

series, Galaine Maxwell, Making of a Monster, which

begins tomorrow night.

I need to concentrate on speaking out,

the documentary being out, doing interviews,

and then I can see what the next phase is.

I would love to be able to start a nonprofit

for all the people that go through this

and don't have a voice, she says.

And I would think as a survivor of this sort of horrible abuse,

it would be very cathartic to do something like that.

Start a nonprofit to help other people help

battered women, children, boys, whatever,

but trying to give back because you know what this pain is like.

You know what it is.

And unfortunately, if you're someone who has been abused,

you're part of a club.

Nobody ever wants to be a part of.

But the reality is there's a lot of people

who have been abused.

And there's a lot of people who are suffering trauma because of it.

It's about empowering people for the future.

Even if I just help one person to be able to have the confidence

and the love and the worth and the value for themselves,

to be able to get themselves out of a really terrible situation.

If I bring that to just one person,

then this will have been worth everything.

Look, very brave.

I don't know how many times I can say it.

This is some of the bravest shit you can do,

putting yourself on display for the whole entire world to dissect you.

Certainly not easy.

And especially if you've suffered trauma

because you're reliving it every time you talk about it.

What happened to Gretchen Rhodes?

For the first three or four months that Rhodes worked on Little San James,

she was solely asked to massage Maxwell.

Once she was considered trustworthy and ready,

the British woman let her down to Epstein's room

and instructed that whatever happened next

must remain confidential.

Epstein entered and laid down Maxwell stripped naked to change her clothes

while Rhodes tried not to look.

And then she was left alone with the millionaire in need of a rub down.

You mean the pedophile animal?

Who was in need of a rub down, right?

It still amazes me that they call them, you know, the millionaire or the finance here.

Bro was one of the sickest fucking dudes in the history of the world.

Let's call him what he is.

What followed on this occasion was just a regular massage,

like so many others were.

While the situation on Little San James was creepy,

Rhodes was reassured that before I started massaging Jeffrey,

he had a 65-year-old dude massaging him,

which made me feel very safe.

Looking at the harmless older man she was replacing,

it was hard to believe anything bad would happen to her.

And again, look, you got to remember,

we're looking at this as people who have the knowledge of what happened,

of who Epstein was, of who Maxwell was.

These girls didn't know that.

They thought they were getting the opportunity of a lifetime,

and instead that opportunity was flipped on its head

and turned into a life-shattering situation.

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And what about Epstein himself?

What was he like?

Oh my god.

He was so engaging, she tells me.

He was enjoyable to be around,

which is so fucked sounding.

When he wanted to talk,

he wanted to know everything about everything,

everything about music,

because he was a pianist.

He wanted me to sing for him.

He wanted to know everything about my family.

He wanted to know about how I was living on a sailboat.

Then he would talk about himself too.

He would talk about how much he loved his mother,

how he had bought her a bionic heart,

and it would probably last for longer than her body.

There was a big conversation about Mensa

and being involved in all of these scientific foundations and projects.

He was articulate and extremely smart.

He was good at making me feel like I wanted to be around him,

and that certainly was part of his charm, right?

The dude had some charm.

There's no doubt.

As far as being smart,

I find that laughable at best,

but the charming part,

there's no doubt that he had some charisma,

and that people wanted to hang out with him.

I don't know if that's just the money,

or if the dude actually had a bit of charm,

I've never met the guy.

But the fact is, everybody tells the same story.

He wasn't an engaging guy,

and most of these scumbags are, right?

They'll get you to lower your guard.

You'll get comfortable around them.

I was just a nice old guy.

Look, he loves his mom.

And before you know it,

he's engaging in all kinds of abuse.

She recognizes now,

how his energetic charm,

contributed to a Stockholm syndrome kind of feel,

leading her to stay working for the man,

who became her abuser on this sorted island for five years.

She lived on the island of St. Thomas,

and would be picked up whenever Maxwell and Epstein

were staying on Little St. James.

In between their visits to Florida,

New York, London,

and wherever else their glamorous lives took him,

let's not forget Zorro Ranch.

Guess what?

I am never going to stop talking about Zorro Ranch.

Sorry, it's just never going to stop.

Until something happens about Zorro Ranch,

until someone raids the place,

until there's an actual investigation

about what went down there.

Sorry, I'm going to keep talking about it.

Because what secrets does Zorro Ranch continue to hide?

It was Epstein's interest in roads,

dreams of singing for a living,

that led to the first violation.

With seemingly limitless connections,

the financier, pedophile,

offered the fly roads to New York on his private jet,

dubbed the Lolita Express,

to meet with executives from the music labels,

EMI, and Universal.

Oh, that's nice.

Record execs being used,

as parts and pieces of Jeffrey Epstein's,

plots and schemes.

You know what's so funny about that?

If your friend was engaging in a criminal conspiracy

and he got slapped with Rico

and you were setting up meetings

and being involved in business with him,

you'd be part of that Rico case.

But if you're the head of EMI or Universal

or anybody else who has a little bit of a sway,

forget it, that doesn't apply to you.

And it's very transparent at this point

that that's the reason Rico wasn't used.

They didn't want the wide-ranging scope.

They wanted it to be narrow in scope

so they can act like, hey, look,

we gave you guys a little bit of a victory here.

Let's move on.

But the fact is this, that's not going to happen.

Sure, it's a good victory.

It's nice to have Maxwell locked up forever

or hopefully close to forever.

But it's not over.

What about all these other scumbags?

On the flight back with Maxwell

and a group of scientists among her fellow passengers,

roads was told to give Epstein a massage.

I had to massage his nipples

while he masturbated.

She reveals in the Channel 4 documentary

looking like she can barely find it within herself

to say the words.

I mean, for real, bro, you're on your plane

and you have to have this girl touch you

while you diddle your own nipples.

It just shows you the sort of sick duty is.

You know, most people can hang on and wait till they get home.

Have their wife or their girlfriend, you know,

get down with whatever they want to get down with.

Like I said, whatever you do in your bedroom

with your wife, your husband, your girlfriend,

any consenting adult, I do not care.

If you want to rub your nipples and honey

and run around the house and call yourself Scott,

go for it, not my business.

But when these sick bastards like Jeffrey Epstein

pray on these young girls

and do all this disgusting shit, it just goes to show you

the sort of people that they really were.

And the fact that some people are still refusing

to believe the scope of what went on here

is just beyond me.

Shocked at what was going on, she asked herself,

what the fuck is happening right now?

She tried to avert her eyes.

I just wasn't looking at his face.

I was looking beyond him, trying to separate myself,

take myself out of my body.

It was my payment from having been flown up from New York

and given these opportunities on such a high

and then such a low.

And it's the thousand yard stare.

How many people come home from war

and they have something called the thousand yard stare

where they just basically stare through people.

And a lot of that has to do with trauma

that was suffered while in the war.

And it's no different here.

When you suffer this kind of trauma,

there is no doubt the gigantic toll

it's going to take on you for the rest of your life.

And unfortunately, we're seeing that

with Gretchen here with Miss Rhodes.

She is certainly going to feel this

for the rest of her life

and have to deal with these emotions and feelings.

And it's all because Jeffrey Epstein and Golan Maxwell

were allowed to continue their spree of crime,

disgustingness, human trafficking rape

and the rest of it right under the noses of the SDNY.

You know the same jerk offs who get on the Twitter all the time

or on the TV and start running their mouths

about this, that are the other thing.

When they let one of the most prolific human trafficking rings

of all time, just run rampant in their district.

So when I bag on the SDNY, that's why I do it.

This stuff was happening right under their eyes,

right under their noses and they didn't do a thing about it.

All right, folks, that's going to end episode one,

part one for this two-part story.

Part two is certainly on its way.

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All right, folks, like I said, part two on its way.

What's up, everyone?

And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

We're going to pick right up where we left off,

talking about what happened to Gretchen Rhodes

at the hands of Galen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

Always, I would feel horrible.

After Jeffrey Epstein had carried out such a disgusting

exploitation of an employee, this Jekyll and Hyde man

would revert to the warm and kind person he had been before.

Rhodes chooses not to describe any more specific incidents

on camera and tells I, and tells I, totally understandably,

that I'm not super into talking about that.

But she makes clear that this wasn't the only incident.

It definitely happened more than that time.

So look, nobody can force anybody to talk about things

that are traumatizing to them.

Whenever these women are ready to come out

and talk about their story or what happened to them

at the hands of Epstein, then they'll do so.

And if they never decide to tell their story,

that is certainly their prerogative as well.

I can't imagine going through my life

with this hanging over my head.

Further abuses were sporadic, she explains.

It was the normality of his behavior the rest of the time.

Normal for any rich businessman,

staying on his own paradise island,

at least that made the situation such a mind-fuck, said Rhodes.

She apologizes for swearing like a pirate,

but it is the only way she can get across

what she was subjected to.

Oh, that's right, swearing like a pirate,

cursing like a pirate, that's right in my wheelhouse.

I have to really control myself on the podcast.

I try not to curse too much here,

because I know there's a wide variety of people who listen,

people who are religious, or so I try to respect that,

but every now and then, I can't help it,

and you have to remember, at least for me,

your boy speaks New York, Italian.

That means every other word, basically,

is an f-bomb in my real life.

So I understand completely, Ms. Rhodes.

Normally, it was such a run of the mill massage,

and then every once in a while, it would happen.

Always, I would feel horrible.

In the scope of how many times I massaged him,

it wasn't that many times, but also none of it was okay.

One time is too many.

This dude touching you one time, fondling you one time,

rubbing you, groping you, whatever it is.

One time is way too many.

Prince Andrew is believed to have visited

Little St. James in February of 1999,

according to Flight Logs.

He is thought to have flown there once more

on Good Friday, 2001, and stayed for 48 hours.

This was weeks after the infamous photo of him,

with Maxwell and Virginia Roberts,

who accuses the royal of sexually assaulting her three times,

is thought to have been taken.

Roberts has claimed that, later in 2001,

she had to take part in an open-air orgy on the island

with the prince, involving up to eight other teenage girls.

Though, she has given conflicting accounts of this.

In March, she settled a civil lawsuit with Andrew,

who was always denied wrongdoing.

Oh yeah, well, of course he has.

Rhodes was never asked to massage celebrity guests,

and does not believe her time on the island,

coincided with any of Prince Andrew's visits,

but it was very much a speak when spoke

into situation over there, she says,

so it was hard to know what others were going through.

Epstein and Maxwell managed to create an environment

where nobody felt able to confront themselves

with what was happening, let alone tell others.

So they fomented an environment

where the girls weren't really to interact with one another.

It was, you're here to do a job,

not hang out with your friends and socialize.

That was what Maxwell and Epstein were running on these girls.

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There were always different groups of girls.

He would have different people that would stay with them.

One of them could have caught me on my way back to the kitchen

or before I was taken back to the other island

where I live and been like,

we have to tell somebody,

you have to help me or get me off of here.

But there was none of that.

Everybody was always laughing and joking

and having wonderful dinners and bouncing up and down

on the little trampoline that was out in the cove.

No one was ever like, oh my God, get me out of here.

I'm sure there were things that were happening, 100%,

but no one ever acted like they were in distress ever.

But did I?

I didn't either.

I was just full of shame.

So maybe these people were full of shame

and embarrassed as well

and didn't want to admit what was happening to them.

I can only assume, well, for me,

and again, this is just my opinion, the outside view.

A lot of it has to do with it being normalized.

If everybody else is doing it around you,

then it's just normal behavior.

When all of your friends are heroin addicts,

then it's not out of the norm to walk into a room

and see people pop in mainline.

Just like it's not out of the norm,

if you're on the island with a pedophile

and a sick woman abuser

to have a bunch of women around who might look like

they're not in distress

because in their minds, they might not be.

It was all part of it.

You see, this wasn't just girls

that were brought in for one day or two days.

These girls were groomed over a period of time

and they were groomed not only to the sexual abuse,

but to the normalcy of it.

It was only years after she left the island

that Rhodes learnt the terrible truth

of what others had to endure.

Sour ransom who gave a survivor impact statement

at Maxwell Sentencing in New York last week

told Sky News before the hearing,

I have spent the last 17 years in my own prison

for what she, Jeffrey, and all the co-conspirators did to me.

I was raped repeatedly.

I was raped three times a day sometimes

and I was not the only girl on that island.

There was a constant stream of girls being raped

over and over again.

And again, that locks right into what we were just said.

That's what they do.

Once it's normalized, then they can do whatever they want

because it doesn't seem weird or out of the box, right?

Escape from Little St. James.

Somehow, Rhodes lasted five years working on the island

which ransom has described as a dungeon of sexual hell.

It was meeting the man who would become her husband

on a flight in Europe that led her to finally breaking free.

In 2006, she moved thousands of miles away

to the Hawaiian island of Maui.

Now, if you're gonna go and heal somewhere

and you gotta go and get your mind right,

I can think of a lot worse places to go than Maui.

And you see the comparison here with Virginia.

Virginia met a good guy, Robert, and he helped her.

And Miss Rhodes, she met a good man, and he helped her as well.

The moral of the story there is,

well, not all men are pieces of shit, right?

By then, an investigation into Epstein was finally underway.

In 2008, he pleaded guilty to soliciting a 14-year-old girl

who he had molested in Palm Beach.

His sentence was just 18 months of which he served 13,

and he was allowed to travel to his office on work release.

For 12 hours a day, six days a week must be nice, huh?

Next time you get in trouble, hopefully you don't,

but next time you do, if you do, just tell the judge,

I'm looking for the Jeffrey Epstein plan, sir.

I'd like to just, I'd like to be sentenced to 18 months,

but I'll only serve 13 of those,

but I get to do work release six days a week.

And let's see what the judge has to say to you.

In many ways, life has been good to Rhodes

since leaving the Caribbean.

She and her husband have a daughter.

She achieved her dream of singing for a living,

performing blues and rock in a local band with Mick Fleetwood,

the co-founder and drummer of Fleetwood Mag.

And she did her best to compartmentalize

what had happened with Maxwell and Epstein.

That's what a lot of people do with trauma.

You compartmentalize it, right?

You try and bury it so it doesn't ever come back

and rear its ugly head.

If I really scratched the surface and I went into it,

there were always going to be huge amounts

of shaman embarrassment, she says,

but pushing forward in her music career also meant

empowering myself by not ever letting anybody fuck

with me again.

I'm taking the reins of what I want to do with my life.

No one's handing it to me.

And for my money, that's the best way to do it.

You have to go out and take whatever you want.

You have to go and do it.

And let me tell you something folks, all right?

You got to believe in yourself

and you better not back down ever.

Because if you don't believe in yourself,

nobody's ever going to believe in you.

And you can talk the talk all you want,

but you better damn well walk the walk.

Unbeknownst to Rhodes, however,

her name had been listed in Epstein's contacts.

I can't get away from it because my name is

in that black book, she says.

And speaking of the black book,

you know, everybody wants names and the list

and all of that folks dig into that black book.

Take a look at those names.

You what people weren't in that black book just because

that wasn't like when you were growing up

if you were growing up in the 80s and the 90s.

Yeah, you know, you're little black book of phone numbers.

All the girls that you met during the weekend

when you were hanging out on the strip with your boys

or up a wet and wild.

It's not the same kind of black book folks.

So all of those names in there,

if your name is in that black book,

now it doesn't automatically mean

that you were engaged in something F'd up,

but I'll tell you this much, you got my attention

and you should be looked at.

Reporters obtained this and she was eight months pregnant

when a journalist first contacted her.

He kept calling and calling and calling,

saying, I'm here on Maui and I came to your house, she says.

Her husband, who new roads had worked for Epstein,

but did not know he had abused her, warned the reporter away.

But then she was contacted by a British journalist

who was very understanding and explained she had been

included in Epstein's address book.

You know, the thing is, these jerk off reporters,

this isn't your story where you go and kick in someone's door, bro,

and you go and harass people at their home.

These girls suffered severe trauma.

They don't need some jerk off

from some ragass publication showing up at their house.

And it's like the people who tag these girls

in everything they do on Twitter.

So weird, leave them alone.

Go live your life, let them live their life.

In 2015, a redacted version of the book was leaked online

and roads began being contacted more often.

I've had journalists calling me constantly,

trying to get information

because I hadn't spoken out to anybody.

I was always deflecting, she says.

A writer, Leland Nolly, tells Channel 4

how we investigated Epstein by calling every number

in his infamous black book.

One former friend of Epstein told Nolly

how the hedge fund manager would interrupt

ordinary conversations by asking,

what has that got to do with the P word he added?

That was his favorite expression.

Now, Leland Nolly is the author

from Mother Jones, the journalist

who called every name in the black book.

You can find that in the catalog as well.

Just type into the search function black book

and it'll pop right up.

But I did several different articles about that.

Saying that Epstein must have suffered

from Satriasis, the male equivalent of Nymphomania,

the former friend added, probably a lot of men have that.

For all I know, except very few of them

have the money to treat themselves

to sex three times a day with young girls.

He made an industry out of it.

Jeffrey was a very, very sick man.

Yeah, no shit.

No shit.

Confronting her past.

By 2019, the only person roads

had ever spoken to about her experiences

was her best friend.

When Epstein was arrested in July that year

and killed himself in his prison cell a month later,

allegedly, more and more allegations

were still coming to light.

Though she worries it sounds horrible,

roads felt a bit of relief in that,

okay, I'm not the only person.

The unavoidable media coverage made her secrecy

about what happened impossible to sustain

while around her family, however, that must be difficult.

You have all of this media attention blowing up on Epstein

and all of these people who have been abused by him

and you have also been abused by him,

but you don't want to come forward.

You know, you're still repressing it.

But finally, it gets to a point

where, you know, you can't do that anymore.

And courageously,

Miss Rhodes came out and she told her family.

It was on the news constantly, she recalls.

My dad, he's passed since then,

but he had Parkinson's and he had the news on all the time.

It was the only thing he could do.

There was this constant listening to this

and that about him, about her, all the time.

We were there for my mother's birthday,

the whole family was there.

At a certain point, I was like,

I can't keep burying my head in the sand.

I can't keep hearing all these things without dealing with it.

It was literally starting to make me feel sick.

Every single cell in my body was screaming, just face this.

So that we can, so that we can have some relief.

And I can't, again, I can't imagine what it must be like

to have this kind of secret

where you can't even tell the people you love the most,

the people you know will not judge you,

the people that you know are there for you,

but you can't tell them

because you just can't find it within yourself to do so.

When the Netflix documentary, Jeffrey Epstein,

Filthy Rich was released in May, 2020,

Rhodes decided to watch the first episode.

Then I watched all of them.

I read and watched everything that I could possibly get

my hands on at that point.

And then I had a huge cry.

We had a family dinner.

I put my daughter to sleep.

I fell asleep with her.

And then when I woke up, I saw my sister

and my brother were still awake and I told them,

I told my husband two weeks after that.

Now think about that.

Think about your loved one, your husband, wife,

whatever it is, wherever your person is.

Imagine not being able to tell them such a secret like this,

the shame, and you shouldn't have that shame,

but it's just the way it works, right?

You feel like you're less than.

So you don't want to express your secrets to people.

You don't want to talk about what happened.

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And then she finally tells her brother and sister

and it still takes two weeks after that to tell her husband.

That just shows you the trauma right there alone.

What letter to go public was an email from Cathy Haywood,

the series producer of Channel 4's Galane Maxwell,

making of a monster.

It felt different.

It felt like it wasn't pushing, pushing, pushing.

She also wanted to explain how it was

because of Galane Maxwell that I was abused by Jeffrey.

This person is a sociopath, a narcissist.

She says of Maxwell.

I don't think she even recognizes the fact

that she's the cause of all these victims,

these people that have gone through these horrible,

horrible things in their lives.

Yeah, it's because of him, 100%.

But it's also because of her.

I don't see any kind of remorse

that she played any partner.

That's insane.

That is 100% correct, no remorse.

But what do you expect from a bipedal serpent?

She might not even be a human being, right?

I don't even know if she's human at this point.

Now, I'm obviously just kidding.

I'm not one of these people who believes in all that other,

you know, lizard people and all the rest of it.

But I mean, how can you be a human, a real human,

and conduct yourself the way Maxwell did?

Living in Italy with her husband's family for now,

Rhodes is continuing to sing and write music.

But she is also teaching music classes.

Well, I'll tell you what,

pretty sure nobody's going to f with her

if her family's in Italy,

pretty sure her husband, if he grew up in Italy,

and might know a crooked noser too,

that would make sure no BS would happen.

It's more about using the strength of one's voice.

I started with a woman's group,

and it's evolved now into kindergarteners

and first graders, she explains.

It's about being strong in yourself.

And if you don't like something that's happening,

if your friend is being mean,

stick up for yourself, little things like that.

Look, don't back down, folks.

Do not back down.

Don't back down to bullies.

Don't back down to big mouths.

Don't give ground.

Stand up for yourself.

It's very important to do that.

I developed this mantra from thinking about

what I would have liked to hear in my own head

as I was going through this experience

with these people, Epstein and Maxwell.

We say it three times.

We begin class with it, we end class with it.

I'm good enough, I'm worthy, I'm confident,

and I love myself.

Hey, you know what?

There's nothing wrong with some self-affirmation.

Hopping in the mirror and letting yourself know

what the deal is.

Look at Alexander Volkanovsky, champ for the UFC.

He was giving himself self-affirmation

while he was in the ring a few seconds

before he was getting ready to fight.

I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the champ.

That shit works, psyching yourself out works.

I know it sounds like it doesn't, but it does.

So there's nothing wrong with, you know,

giving yourself a little bit of love, folks, try it out.

Because we sure can be hard on ourselves, can't we?

So every now and then we have to do the reverse

and give ourselves a little bit of a pat on the back

and self-affirmation certainly is a good way to get there.

Now for the story, it's brave that Ms. Rhodes finally came out

and she felt comfortable talking about what happened.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again.

We're gonna see plenty more people like Ms. Rhodes

come out in the future.

Because folks, what happened here?

Didn't happen in just a 10 year period.

It didn't just happen in one place.

It happened for decades and it's spanned continents.

So all of the other people who were involved,

I'd be sleeping with one eye open

because this is far from over.

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