Mega Edition: The Enormous Increase in Budget For Police In Idaho Following The Murders (9/2/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome back to the program yesterday we were talking about and Taylor and how much money She's going to be making an hour to defend Brian co burger Well on this episode I wanted to talk a little bit about how much the state of Idaho and the Idaho state police have spent so far on this case And when you're dealing with a quadruple homicide It's certainly going to add some cost to the budget that were unforeseen and the place like Idaho That's not that populated. They're obviously working on a smaller budget than a place like New York City or Los Angeles or something like that so things get a bit more restrictive right and they don't have as many resources Available to them initially as some other places might have But the Idaho state police and the investigators in the state in general were able to overcome some of those shortfalls in the beginning of this investigation and then with the assistance of their big brother in the FBI

1:01They were able to finally make an arrest in the case But what is the Idaho state police budget in general and how much of that budget was used up conducting this investigation So today that's what we're going to talk about and to do that we have two articles from KTVB 7 and the first one is from January 17th of 2023 and the author is Andrew Bartleen Governor Brad little Proposed increasing Idaho state police commission state trooper pay by 10% Additionally, he aims to spend $200,000 on additional safety equipment for each trooper The mall shooting that occurred in Boise Mall in October of 2021 We recognized immediately. We didn't have the equipment we needed ISP deputy director lieutenant colonel Bill Gardner One of those is ballistic tactical vests that a trooper can throw on and run in now

2:03I've been pretty clear about how I feel about all of these military type weapons that Police departments are acquiring but when you're talking about body armor I think that's a necessity for police officers. They have to have that body armor I'm not a fan of tanks. I'm not a fan of all that other shit that you would see in on actual battlefields Being in the possession of our police departments except in the most extreme circumstances When you're going to enact a warrant at somebody's house for a minor drug possession. You don't need to show up in a tank Each trooper is already issued body armor. It is typically worn under their uniform According to Gardner However, these specific ballistic vests are tailored towards stopping high-powered rounds The $200,000 would also purchase chest protectors and riot gear for ISP According to Gardner this gear has become increasingly necessary amid events over the last couple of years You know what else would be real helpful Using some of this money to retrain some of these officers and help them out in that regard as well

3:09It's all fine and well to give these guys weapons of war But how about we arm them mentally so they're capable of dealing with the bullshit. They got to deal with on a day-to-day basis When we brought that to their attention the governor's office was quick to recognize that this is the need Every state trooper needs to have that to do their job Gardner said But getting qualified people to do the job isn't equal need At any given time ISP could be looking to hire 20 to 30 state troopers When ISP hired Gardner on 25 years ago the agency selected him from a pool of more than 1,000 applicants It just shows you how the shine of becoming a law enforcement officer has worn off for a lot of people Hiring people is very difficult right now Now we're at the point where we hope to get between 100 to 200 people Gardner said It's dramatically changed from the number of people who are either interested in law enforcement

4:09Or those who feel as though it is a career that will pay them enough to support their family The 10% pay increase intends to attract new talent and retain current troopers Governor little's budget also aims to provide more support to the Idaho peace officer standards and training division Post division administrator Brad Johnson announced in October the division would cancel three academies due to inflation Now you see where my problem is we're going to cancel the academics. We're going to cancel the training as far as Interpersonal situations, but we're going to buy more weapons of war We're not putting these police officers in a position to succeed And then you wonder why nobody's joining up and wants to deal with that bullshit In response the proposed budget sets aside $1.1 million to be split between the 2023 fiscal year budget The 2024 fiscal year budget and the physical year budget ending on June 30th

5:10With that additional revenue it should be sufficient to meet our training needs through the next 18 months Johnson said Training is one of our primary missions. We take it seriously When we're unable to do that in the manner we should nobody enjoys that Yeah, it opens the state up to all kinds of lawsuits It opens the citizens up to having shitty encounters with police officers who are not trained correctly And then that leads to animosity in the community nobody needs that in their life But I wanted to talk about this article first before we dive into the next one So we kind of get an idea of what their budget's looking like All right, so our next article is from ktvb as well And this one's discussing how much the Idaho State police have spent on the Moscow murders investigation headline here's how much Idaho State police have spent on the Moscow murders investigation This article was authored by Alexandra Duggan and Danny Allsop

6:10The murders of four university of Idaho students in November of 2022 was a massive investigation That required many resources from police and other agencies to work together And with that came a 282,109 35 cents of expenditures related to the homicide case by the Idaho State police Now look at that number and then look at the other numbers we were just talking about in that other that other article So this is basically a fifth of their whole budget blown on this one investigation And that's not even including what the FBI and the federal government spent as well We're never going to get that information because you know the FBI does whatever they want and checks and balances are for other people not them But the FBI meaning you and me spend a ton of money on this case as well There was a bunch of federal dollars that were being used by the federal departments But the state of Idaho

7:11They're not ended up being like one fifth of their law enforcement budget for the whole year team mobile funds When Kayleigh Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Zana Kernodal were stabbed to death in a home off campus on November 13th 2022 Moscow police Idaho state police and the FBI began the long process of investigating their deaths It led to the arrest of 28-year-old Brian Kohlberger a Washington State University PhD student based on DNA found at the scene The expenditures of 282,109 dollars and 35 cents obtained through a public records request Is the exact amount of funds used as the February 6 which includes travel over time lab testing storage of evidence and other miscellaneous police work According to ISP communications director Aaron Snell ISP dedicated significant resources to help the Moscow police a smaller-scale police department

8:15Snell said the investigation of the four murders Qualifies as a large investigation and that cases and costs at this magnitude are uncommon occurrences in comparison to other investigations But he doesn't think there is a set parameter to accurately quantify them Idaho governor Brad Little allocated one million dollars from the state emergency fund in order to help law enforcement When little announced the funding he said the expenses would be determined by ISP with the help of other police agencies Snell said ISP currently is paying for expenses related to the case from a miscellaneous revenue until a reenbursement is received From Little's office so the good news for Idaho is they're going to get that money replenished from that emergency fund Because you look at the clip that it would have taken out of the budget and that would have been all bad for Idaho and then policing the state We're talking about losing a fifth of your budget in the middle of inflation

9:15So that's never a good thing right? So thankfully they were able to get some of this dough from this emergency fund and that'll go a long way to replenish what they have lost ISP has not used all of Little's allocated funds snell said but there will be additional costs as the investigation continues Moscow police department denied a records request inquiring about their expenditures related to the case According to Moscow city attorney information regarding how much the NPD has spent is in violation of the non dissemination order in the case against co burger This is what I talked about yesterday and the problem with the gag order being of this scope It's going to give cover to people like the Moscow police department who just don't want to be truthful And there's no reason that a gag order should restrict the public and the media from knowing How much money has been spent on this remember these are tax payer dollars the people of Idaho They pay their taxes every year and they expect some transparency on the back end of that

10:17And they want to know how their money is being spent right So I think it's a bad move and a bad look from the Moscow police department to deny this records request On the flip side I think it's a good move from the state police the more transparency the better And if the state police can provide this without it being under the gag order How is it that the Moscow police department are going to try and stand on that untenable ground So I don't think that's the last we've heard of that honestly And I wouldn't be shocked to see the media try and get those records by other means And I'm guessing they're going to be firing off a lot of other requests for public records as we move forward So it's going to be interesting to see how that all goes and it's going to be real interesting to see If the vastness and the broad scope of the gag order protects the Moscow police department from releasing this information All right folks well that's going to do it for this one all of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box

11:18What's up everyone and welcome back to the program The murders in Moscow have changed a whole lot for the community at large And the investigation into those murders has proved to be rather burdensome when it comes to the finances So the prosecution in Idaho has requested a pretty big budget hike So that they can maintain their investigation and keep things rolling and anytime that you're prosecuting a homicide case It is cost restrictive never mind a quadruple homicide in a place that was homicide free for seven years leading up to these murders So there's certainly not the budget sitting around to go after somebody like Brian coberger as far as In advanced investigation that is as sophisticated as this one has been So let's get to this article from ABC news and let's see just how cost restrictive all of this has been headline Idaho college murders case prompts prosecution request for big budget hike

12:25The authors of this article are Sasha peasantick julie scott and Nicholas sorone Justice may be blind, but it's not cheap Yeah, you could say that twice when you're talking about from the perspective of the person who's being charged with the crime Never mind the cost for the state or the prosecution if you get charged with the crime and you're going to pay for your own lawyer You're going to be looking at quite the hefty sum coming out of pocket to defend your freedom The legal system is absolutely burdensome when it comes to finances And unless you're in a position where you have money to blow Having to deal with litigation is never a fun time for your bank account prosecutors in Moscow, Idaho this week said the upcoming prosecution of Brian coberger The man charged with killing four college students last fall could cost more than eight times their entire annual trial budget Well, it doesn't cost much to bring people in for a drunken disorderly

13:26It doesn't cost much to bring people in because they have a bag of pot And that's the kind of thing you were seeing on this campus It wasn't like this is a violent campus where they're used to all kinds of violent assault or murder or anything like that Besides the bar brawl or something they weren't dealing with any kind of real drama up in Moscow as far as the police were concerned And then all of a sudden Four college students are killed overnight in the same house I'm sure a tragedy like that wasn't forecast when the budget was being laid out So now they have to go back to the state and try and get a little bit more money Meeting with county commissioners Tuesday, Laita County prosecutor Bill Thompson requested a 135,000 dollar budget as his team puts together what is expected to be a complicated and high profile case Thompson said they know the trial is not going to be cheap According to the minutes from the meeting obtained by ABC news acknowledging the request is a significant departure from the 15,000 dollar budget they had maintained for years and years

14:34And remember everything that goes into something like this You have to pay for all of the experts you have to pay for the private investigators You have to pay the salary of the cops that are working the prosecutors There's a lot that goes on here and none of it's free Everybody has to be paid for their work So that money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is the budget of the city of Moscow and Laita County Thompson said his office is trying to keep its projected budget as conservative as possible While at the same time making sure that the case is handled properly Now imagine Brian co-burger was somebody who was well off and could bring in a dream team Where he was paying his lawyers, you know, two grand an hour or something like that And this is the budget that he'd be working against a mere 135 grand and you wonder why rich people are able to get off Some of these rich people show up and they have a bigger war chest to litigate the Accusations against them then the county that's prosecuting them

15:36And we all know that the bigger the war chest the better the chance of beating the charges Thankfully here that's not the case But I do find it a little concerning that they're talking about maintaining budgetary constraints How about just investigating this and then wherever that lands That's how much money the state has to come up with because you can't really skimp when you're talking about a quadruple homicide Investigation right where are you going to cut corners? How are you going to be more conservative while at the same time maintaining the integrity of the investigation Among the anticipated expenses Thompson's budget request sites witness travel fees transcript fees exhibit display expenses and postage fees as well as travel associated with case development expert witnesses and other associated trial expenses According to the budget request and there's going to be more of course So he asked Apple War chest and hopefully late talk County and the commissioners are going to provide the prosecutor with

16:39Everything that he needs to get the conviction that they're going after Thompson's at his office is also proposing to add a part-time legal assistant position to the payroll in order to help shoulder the workload According to the meeting minutes. I can see that bring in somebody to help with the paperwork filing Get things in order make sure everything's Presented properly to the lawyers so they don't have to waste their time You know putting together files and all of that So if you need some help then yeah bring it in one of the commissioners on the board Kathy LaFortune Suggested an even larger allowance for Thompson's budget According to meeting minutes suggesting an increase to $150,000 in order to fully cover potential costs. I think that's a good idea Give them some wiggle room that way they can bring in experts and whatever they need to do to make sure that justice is served here Separately the defense has been augmenting its resources as well

17:40co-burgers lead council the chief public defender in neighboring Kootenny County and Taylor is receiving $200 an hour an amount agreed to by laytaw county upon her hiring Taylor's co-counsel is receiving $180 an hour Additional further expenses to the case include hiring a private investigator and expert services to aid their case And remember this states on the line for all of that too because Brian co-burger was considered indigent Meaning he can't pay for his own legal team So the state has to pay for both ends of this co-burger 28 was indicted last month and charged with four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary At his arraignment in late May co-burger declined to offer a plea so the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf A trial date has been set for October 2nd and co-burger is currently being held in the laytaw county jail in Moscow And I've said several times now

18:41I really don't expect this trial to start in October I would be absolutely shocked if this goes off as scheduled Considering what we have with discovery and all of the information that has to be poured through still You would think that the defense is certainly angling here to get a postponement and to get this trial move back Probably to the summer of 2024. That's my guess my speculation here Prosecutors alleged that in the early morning hours of November 13th 2022 co-burger a criminology PhD student at Washington State University broken to an off campus home and stabbed to death for University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin Madison Mogen Zanne Kernotl and Kayley Gon-Solves After a more than six-week hunt, police zeroed in on co-burger as a suspect Tracking his white Hyundai Alantra cell phone signal data and recovering what authorities say was his DNA on a knife

19:42Sheath found next to one of the victim's bodies according to court documents He was arrested on December 30th 2022 in Pennsylvania after driving cross-country to spend the holidays at his family's home and all brightsville And there were reports that his own sister thought that he might be the guy who did this and that his sister and other family members Even went out to the white Hyundai Alantra and tossed the car themselves and for my money You have to be a relatively odd duck for your family members your sister especially to think that you're capable of doing something like this So all the people out there that are defending Brian co-burger acting like this guy's not guilty You're gonna look real silly soon and when I say soon I mean after this trial ends just like all of the knuckleheads out there that were running around talking about Alec Murdoch was innocent the problem is there's never any repercussions for these knuckleheads who run around talking nonsense Because people still eat it up people love the salacious bullshit people love a nice story that massages their

20:46Confirmation bias me. I prefer the truth details The quadruple homicide in November rocked Moscow Idaho the college town where the killings occurred The ensuing investigation and impending trial strain the city's already slim budget Police over time and other expenses mounted exponentially with the ongoing need for increased patrols and law enforcement work and Shouldered by a short staffed force putting in long hours The bottom line officials said the ongoing cost of the case has burned through cash that could have gone to benefit the community And fix up the city's infrastructure and I'm sure a few pet projects for the city counselors as well Moscow is not a wash in a funding excess Moscow mayor art betke told ABC News in May We run a very very lean budget and the impact of an investigation has been felt on that budget Even with the suspect in custody the ongoing investigation had depleted

21:48Moscow's coffers and scrambled and already fragile balance sheet city officials said You budget for fires you budget for floods you prepare for natural disasters This was not natural Moscow city council member Sandra Kelly told ABC News the cost is astronomical And of course you can't skimp on keeping people safe yet This is just not something you budget for because it's something you'd never dream could happen And especially in a place like Moscow when you have a place that hasn't even recorded a homicide in seven years The last thing you expect is something like this to happen So the city council and the budget planners For once in their lives at least they didn't screw this up They just weren't ready for it because it's one of those unthinkable Unimaginable events that you can never even dream of happening But now that it did happen they have to come up with the money to make sure that the person that they say is responsible

22:50Brian co burger Faces justice And that's what the city council says they're going to do All right everybody that's going to do it for this one all of the information that goes with the episode can be found in the description box What's up everyone and welcome back to the program In this episode we're going to take a trip back to Moscow and we're going to get an update on what's going on with Brian co burger And how much his alleged crimes have cost Idaho University when it comes to security But before we jump into this article we have a little housekeeping to do and that housekeeping has to do with Brian co burger And his court appearance that scheduled for tomorrow So let's just read this quick court order by judge judge before we dive into our article Case number CR 29-22-2805 order regarding notice of hearing zoom information state of Idaho plaintiff first Brian C co burger the defendant

23:54The court is mindful that limited courtroom capacity and potential travel restrictions May interfere with the victims and the defendant's families ability to observe the court proceedings in this case on August 18th 2023 at 10 30 a.m. Pacific time therefore In the eventuality that they are unable or prefer not to attend the proceeding in person The court finds it necessary to make the court proceedings available via zoom for the victims and the defendant's immediate family members Under the following restrictions. It is hereby ordered that one the victims and the defendant's immediate family members May observe the court proceedings in person or via zoom two The zoom information above shall not be disseminated to anyone other than the victims and the defendants immediate family members Three any recording or live streaming of the proceeding is prohibited This was signed on the 14th of August and it was signed by judge judge

24:57And the reason for this hearing is the defendant's third motion to compel and the defendant's second motion to stay proceedings So that's what's going to be discussed at the hearing tomorrow And it's going to be very crucial for Brian co burger and his team There's a lot on the line for his team tomorrow And I think that the judge is obviously going to deny their request for a stay Now if they ask for a continuation or a delay in the trial not a stay but an actual delay I think they'll get that But the stay here. I don't think that they have the legal precedent or the basis under Idaho statutes So I don't see judge judge acquiescing and giving them that stay that they want Because it's rather transparent that what they're doing is trying to buy for some time So just delay the trial and be done with it already And I think that's what we'll see eventually happen here a delay in this trial Because there's just a massive amount of evidence All right, so let's dive into this article from ABC News

26:00And let's see how many fossils it cost the University of Idaho for security Headline cost of security prompted by Idaho college killings Topps 1.2 million dollars for the university That's a whole hell of a lot of money isn't it And you know they're already charging an arm and a leg for kids to go to school up here So what are they going to do? Increase the cost of tuition? I mean eventually that's what we're going to see This article was authored by Sasha Peasantick The financial cost of the community continued to climb in the aftermath of the killing of four Idaho college students last fall Nine months after the King Road quadruple homicide Rock, North Idaho the University of Idaho has already blown through the 1 million dollars in state funding Allocated to support additional security measures According to records provided to Idaho's legislative services office by the university

27:01And you would think a million dollars goes a long way, but really does it? Think about how expensive everything is at the store I walked into the store last night. I grabbed some Luigi's Italian Isis a gatorade fast twitch drink one of those energy drinks they have an eight pack of gatorade And two cases of water It came out to like 35 bucks So if basic groceries are costing that much money and your money is not stretching that far when it comes to basic necessities How far do you think it's going to stretch when we're talking about security services Especially with inflation everybody has ramped up their prices for every single service And if you think those prices are coming down, I have some real bad news for you In a letter sent to the office manager of budget and policy analysis University president Scott Green said the school made significant efforts to bolster our security programs And the custodian ship of the location where these tragedies occurred now

28:05That's all fine and well, but it's very reactionary and I highly doubt that we're ever gonna see something like this in Idaho Ever again. Well, not in Moscow This is something that is very unexpected and aberration when it comes to crimes And certainly something that I highly doubt we're going to witness in a place like Moscow at least in any of our lifetimes ever again So while I understand the knee jerk reaction you want to keep the community safe You want to make sure enrollment in the school doesn't drop But the sad truth is even if they had a hundred navy seals patrolling the campus doing security It wouldn't have stopped what happened in that house on 11 22 king road in the early morning hours of November 13th University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin Madison Mogen Zannecernodal and Kayley Gon Salvas were found stabbed to death on November 13th, 2022 After a six-week hunt, please zeroed in on a suspect arresting one time doctoral candidate Brian Coburger on December 30th

29:10If convicted Coburger could face the death penalty and they've also talked about not only the death penalty But firing squad and I say that's the way he should go because if he's guilty of the crimes that he's accused of They are some of the most heinous crimes that we've seen in quite some time Somebody going into someone's home and murdering four people in an intimate and up close way like this Oh, yeah, you deserve the death penalty and all things considered Both options the firing squad and the lethal injection are both too good for somebody like Brian Coburger If he is guilty of these crimes I'm talking about helicopters and volcanoes The university is already racking up additional expenses totalling more than $1.2 million so far and counting The expenditures related to the King Roadhouse are ongoing green said in the letter The August 11th letter includes an itemized accounting of how the cash was spent required by Idaho law

30:14Nearly $475,000 was spent to increase campus security and private guards More than $324,000 went to security consultants More than $241,000 was spent on the Idaho State Police including meals and lodging for troopers Does that seem excessive to anybody else? $324,000 to security consultants What are they consulting about like what could you possibly do that would have made this campus any safer? I don't think any security protocol or any security measures would have stopped Brian Coburger from doing What he is alleged to have done and as I said previously I find this to be a bit reactionary and just looking for a way to justify spending this money Prosecutors alleged that in the early morning hours of November 13th 2022 Coburger a criminology PhD student at nearby Washington State University broke into the off-campus home and stabbed the four students to death

31:18Coburger was indicted in May and charged with four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary At his arraignment he declined to offer a plea so the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf A trial is scheduled for October 2nd though a delay is likely pre-trial motions are set to continue on Friday and that's what we talked about in the beginning here He has a hearing tomorrow and it's gonna be a pretty important hearing for both sides And I'm very interested to see which way judge judge is leaning The university has and continues to put its students first The expenses we have incurred are an effort to provide for our students the best residential campus experience possible University of Idaho spokesperson Jody Walker said an statement to ABC News While we can't bring back the students we lost so tragically We can continue to improve ourselves and our university for our current students and all those to follow

32:20Walker said We appreciate the support we have gotten from the governor and our legislature to help cover some of these unexpected expenses Nearly $100,000 has been spent on security for the home where the students were slain The home donated to the school after the killings remained standing for now Though the university has announced that it intends to demolish it We expect further expenditures in the future as we demolished the king road property green said With the letter accounting for more than $217,000 they estimate spending through the end of October The mounting price tag has not been soldered solely by the university In June prosecutors leading the case against co-burger said it cost them more than eight times their annual trial budget requesting $135,000 for the case Look, this is an extreme Circumstance and this is an extreme case and it's going to cost a lot of money for all of the experts

33:26all of the testing and all that comes along with a quadruple homicide trial So it's going to cost the state of Idaho a few bucks here and remember they're also on the hook for paying for Brian co-burgers team as well In Moscow where the killings occurred Investigative costs burn through cash that could have gone to fix up city infrastructure Moscow officials told ABC News in May This is just not something you budget for Moscow city council member Sandra Kelly said because it's something you'd never dream could happen So as much as I'd like to pin it on the local authorities here, you know the local politicians. She's not wrong Nobody budgets for something like this and we're talking about a pretty small place in Moscow So there was never any doubt that there was going to be some budget issues And thankfully for them the state itself the governor has stepped up to help out the question is how much more does it cost from here

34:27All right everybody that's going to do it for this one all of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box What's up everyone and welcome back to the program Earlier we were talking about the salary that Anteiler the public defender for a Brian co-burger was going to make well today We're getting some more details and some more context about that salary and how much it's all gonna end up being When all is said and done and I thought it would be interesting considering we just got done talking about the budget for the entire Idaho state police department And for the investigation into who murdered these four students So with that said let's dive into this article from the daily mail and let's get a little more context about the salary that Anteiler the public defender is going to be making headline Idaho murder suspect Brian co-burgers lawyer will triple her income with $200 an hour agreement to defend them

35:33On the taxpayers dime despite multiple conflicts of interest with students families And we didn't even touch on that on the other episode talking about the conflict of interest or the possible conflict of interest And I think that looms large as well Is there not going to be any sort of addressing of the possible conflict of interest by the court Or has it been addressed in private and is just being kept under wraps due to the gag order Either way that needs to be addressed and some clarity needs to be given This article was authored by Emma Jones A lawyer defending suspected quadruple killer Brian co-burger will be paid $200 an hour in his case with any additional overtime Chief public defender and Taylor will be paid by Kootenny county for a 40 hour work week with Leyta county agreeing to give the funds to Kootenny for work

36:36But any overtime that she accrues outside of those hours will be paid by Leyta county directly to the attorney With the second attorney Supporting Taylor in the case being paid $180 an hour and when we talked about this yesterday I didn't have the information that I have today as far as what the budget was for the whole last Idaho state police department We're talking about like two million dollars and when all said and done here and Taylor is looking at making about four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars That seems a bit much if you're asking me And I wonder does every single person who is charged with murder that is a capital offense Do they get the same kind of hook up? Are they going to have the same kind of lawyer and are the citizens going to be on the hook for that kind of dough? Because that would seem like the kind of money you'd be paying to a private attorney, right? Taylor is representing the 28 year old criminal justice major after stepping down as the lawyer for Cara northington

37:42The mother of murdered Zana Kernodal Well, I'll tell you what if you're going to make this kind of dough representing Brian co burger why wouldn't you step down? I mean if you're looking at it from that perspective of trying to secure that bag And not being morally correct. Well, this is the pathway you're going to go And then of course what they'll say is she's the only attorney in northern Idaho that works for the public defender's office That can handle a capital punishment kind of case My counter to that would be Why not bring in a different attorney from somewhere else in the state if you're going to be paying this kind of dough I mean you might as well go all the way and bring a different attorney in from the south She was in charge of her case until January 5th the same day that co burger was extra-dited from his home in Pennsylvania to Idaho The lawyer is also accused of a second conflict of interest in the case after it was revealed that she represented

38:42Maddie Mogen's stepmother Cory Hatrock in June 2022 and oversaw a case involving her father Benjamin in 2020 co burger is accused of murdering Mogen and Kernotal on November 13th along with Kaylee Gonsalvis and Ethan Chapin Experts previously told DailyMail.com that they would be surprised if there was no one else that could represent co burger in the case Despite the small pool of lawyers in Idaho And that's what I said. I'm certainly not an expert But there's a lot of lawyers in Idaho Relatively speaking and I'm sure you can bring one up from the south the law is not different in south Idaho Then northern Idaho is it They're all guided by the same rules So why not just bring one of those lawyers up or someone in from like Boise where they have extra lawyers In 2021 Taylor earned 118,866

39:43But based on her $200 an hour pay to represent co burger she would get $416,000 a year So that's quite the raise huh And again, this is information that we didn't have yesterday when we were talking about this topic So whenever I can fill in some context or put some meat on the bone, I love to do that that way we're armed right and we're not only getting half of the information Presentation of evidence in the case has been predicted to last five days in June with an average of eight hours in court Meaning that Taylor and her team could earn more than $3,000 a day In total they would get $15,200 per week without over time as well as being reimbursed from mileage Lodging and meal costs and remember this money isn't just materializing out of the sky These are taxpayer dollars and the commissioners and everybody else who's in charge of the budget They're going to have to go in and reevaluate now and figure it all out

40:48Any investigators working on her behalf will be compensated at a rate of $45 an hour According to the agreement which was approved on Tuesday According to the American Bar Association the average hourly pay for capital punishment attorneys in 2007 was a hundred dollars which equates to around $141 in 2023 with inflation Meaning Taylor is being paid above average for the case And for me, I think that one of the most important things here to ask is Does everybody else get the same treatment that Brian co-berger is getting if they're charged with murder as well And if so, where's this budget going to come from in Idaho to continuously be doing this sort of thing at this crazy price Because I don't know how they'd be able to maintain doing this kind of Defense from the public defenders office I've never heard of anything like it to be honest with you

41:49Taylor is just one of 13 public defenders in Idaho approved by the states public defense commission to lead a capital punishment case And the only one in all of north Idaho that's something that they should change You got to have more than one person who could do the job what if something was wrong with and Taylor What if she was sick or what if she got in a car accident or insert tragedy here Laytaw County does not have a public defender who is qualified to represent suspects in capital cases But they wanted to ensure they had a team of attorneys who can represent in death penalty cases It could indicate that the prosecutors are leaning towards pursuing the death penalty with the payment for that kind of representation discussed in the agreement I'daho also has a voluntary capital crimes defense fund which requires specific criteria Including a prosecutor declaring they will seek the death penalty within 30 days of the defendant entering the plea

42:55So we know that that won't happen until June So at that point the clock will be ticking The prosecution will have 30 days from the time that Brian coberger enters his plea And then once that 30 days is up they have to let the defendant and the state know if they plan on pursuing the death penalty coberger is expected to enter a plea on June 26 Around the same time as the presentation of evidence so laytaw County has until the end of July to officially pursue the death penalty He is charged with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary and waived his right To a speedy preliminary hearing in January Cara Northington previously slam Taylor for dropping her case to represent coberger saying she was heartbroken to be silently dropped When she represented Ben Morgan he was sentenced to 90 days in prison after pleading guilty to charges in 2020

43:55And Maddie stepmother pleaded guilty to possession of an illegal substance But it's unclear if she served any prison time And it's very very typical to see these kinds of low-end drug offenses ending up with the person who is being charged with the offense pleading guilty A lot of times the courts will be easier on him that way and a lot of times that they'll be able to avoid jail time A legal expert previously called for Taylor to recuse herself from the coberger case as he believes it could result in the suspected killer Appealing any result which he is found guilty and I've said this too I've said this a hundred times now And I guess he can sign a waiver or whatever But do you really think he's not going to challenge that if he does 100% he's going to California appellate and litigation lawyer Matthew barhoma told deliml.com that Taylor seems to want to work on the case with coberger Describing it as an odd and unique situation

44:56He said Taylor had many prior dealings with the mother on multiple occasions and that heightens the conflict You have to assume she received no confidential information from the mother that could be bled into the case And then you have to question if you can do the job impartially and it could affect Brian and his situation with the attorney It is an inherently difficult issue with no clear cut answer and it is a gray area However, if it were me I would recuse myself from the case Now there is some more to this article But it's just rehashing stuff that we've talked about plenty of times here about like the search warrant and stuff like that So for our purposes we're going to end the article here But I thought it was interesting to get some of these other additions added to the catalog as far as her pay What her regular salary was before this and any of the other details that might have been missed In that other episode

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