Mega Edition: The Rise And Fall Of Robert Maxwell (Part 2) (3/27/26)

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1:07I'm your host, Bobby Capucci, and this is a morning update. Hey, what's up everybody and greetings from Sin City. Usually we do our live streams at 7pm Pacific Standard Time on Sunday nights. Tomorrow, I'm thinking we're going to bump that back till about 8.15, 8.30 to give me some time to wrap up after the Super Bowl and prepare to hop on the live stream to have our weekly chat. So look for the live stream to be a little bit late tomorrow, 8.15-ish, and we'll be off and running. As for our article this morning, we're going to continue on with our weekly talk about Robert Maxwell in the Maxwell series here. Now, each Saturday, I'm going to be exploring the Maxwell family a little bit deeper. Right now, we're talking about Robert.

2:08We'll be moving on to Gilein's sisters, Gilein's brothers, and the rest of the Maxwell family as well. As we try and put an umbrella over the whole entire clan. Today, we're going to continue that, and we're going to talk a little bit more about Robert Maxwell and how he rose from poverty and helped corrupt his daughter, Gilein, as reported in an article from the New York Post this morning. So let's dive into this article and let's continue our discussion about Robert Maxwell and the Maxwell family. This article is from the New York Post, and the author is Mary K. Lynch. Headline, how Robert Maxwell rose from poverty and corrupted his daughter, Gilein. You know, I always made the analogy, or use the analogy,

3:10I should say, of Gilein Maxwell being Circey, and Robert Maxwell being Tywin. Now, obviously, Tywin's a way cooler cat than Robert Maxwell ever could be. But what I mean is learning at their knee, you know, Circey in Game of Thrones thought that she was the female Tywin Lannister. And in the real world, Gilein Maxwell certainly thought that she was the female version of her father as well. So there's a lot of similarities between the relationship between Circey and Tywin and Robert Maxwell and Gilein. And as I've read more about Gilein Maxwell and her relationship with her father, I always think to the Circey Tywin relationship because it's just so, they're so comparable when you look at how the daughters wanted to be the father so bad.

4:14Within 72 hours of her birth, Gilein Maxwell's life was a twisted, was twisted by tragedy. Betty Gilein was the ninth child born to Robert Maxwell, the self-made millionaire publisher and his wife Betty. Though he had left his former name and identity far behind in a blighted corner of Czechoslovakia, Maxwell had been determined to sire a brood of nine children and recreate the family of his birth after Adolf Hitler's forces slaughtered his siblings, both parents and a grandfather in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. Now look, as much as we dislike Maxwell and her family and what they have done, what happened to the Maxwell's relatives, the grandparents, uncles, siblings, both parents and the grandfather in Auschwitz is absolutely atrocious.

5:16Anyone who suffered under the disgusting hand of the Nazis is a sympathetic figure in my opinion and it's always horrible when you read backstories like this, people like Robert Maxwell who come from a family who was ripped apart and destroyed by authoritarianism and Nazism. And then you see a guy like Robert Maxwell who lived through all of that. Go on and abuse the great privilege and the great power that he was afforded in the aftermath of all of that tragedy to do basically the same thing by victimizing people, obviously not to the same level of the Nazis, but you see the pattern repeat itself with Robert Maxwell. You would think somebody who lived through all of that would use that to fortify themselves and try and perform deeds of great good

6:17with the time they're given on earth, but instead it's just completely the other way around. Maxwell got all of this power, all of this wealth and what did he do with it? Created more sorrow, more pain and more anguish. On Christmas Day in 1961, Gilaean's arrival was the gift that achieved that goal. At age 38, Maxwell was at last the triumphant Peter Familius, the prosperous lord of a grand 53-room mansion in Oxford, England, 1400 miles and a world away from his own childhood in a two-room earth-floored shack. And digging yourself out from poverty like this, if that's admirable in my opinion, right? And it's something that should be touted

7:18when people are able to dig themselves out of poverty and achieve great wealth and great success. That's a story that should be told over and over again, hell, that's the American dream. But it always sickens me. When you hear one of these stories of somebody like Robert Maxwell, who comes from extreme pain, extreme destruction and suffering, somebody like this gets out of it all of that madness, then they create a life for themselves, where they themselves in turn cause other people pain. It is just unbelievable to me when I hear stories like this. You would always think that somebody that comes from rags to riches would have a decent perspective on how the other side lives and would wanna be a person who reaches out and bridges the gap and tries to help the suffering

8:21of the very sane people who you come from. And we see that a lot, right? We see that with people who have succeeded. A lot of athletes go back to their neighborhoods and they help out. People who have achieved things in business go back to their neighborhoods and they help out. And that's the kind of story that I love. Then you have a story like this with Robert Maxwell, a guy who becomes, makes something from nothing and still doesn't understand and still continues with his hell-bent plan on consolidating power, no matter what it means, or what it causes to the very socio-economic class that he just crawled out from. And these are the people, people like Robert Maxwell, who have definitely have forgotten where they came from. And that was just the beginning of his disgustingness.

9:22We have an idea of how to do it. Of his disgustingness, we haven't even gotten to the whole stealing and greed part yet. This was just the way he was conducting himself, right? You know, one of these people who clause and fights from the lower classes finally gets a little taste and all of a sudden thinks that they've been around the world of the so-called elite forever and moving within its corridors. And that's the kind of person Bob Maxwell was, for sure. Three days later, the newborn's eldest brother, 15-year-old Michael, was crushed in a car accident that left him comatose for the next six years. This was the moment the family started to break apart, said John Preston, author of the fall, the last days of Robert Maxwell, Harper Collins, out February 9th. I have that one on pre-order, by the way, because obviously there's a big story to be told here,

10:23a huge story to be told here. And when it comes to the Maxwell family, we have only scratched the surface, right? So any resource that I can read or listen to or add to the memory bank that has to do with the Maxwell clan, I am all over it at this point because the deep dive is on now, folks. Every weekend, every Saturday, we'll be diving into the Maxwell family from here on out until we dig into each and every one of them. So another book like this from John Preston is going to be great, another resource to use and more information to pass on. What had hitherto been a pretty happy family, became very fractured, and Elaine was completely overshadowed. In his book, Preston traces Robert Maxwell's tumultuous rise and mysterious 1991 death while uncovering the forces that produced

11:25his manipulative, flirtatious, youngest daughter. Yeah, the forces that produced it, huh? I'll tell you, the forces that produced it was Robert Maxwell himself, Elaine sitting at his side and learning all the tricks of the trade. He was daddy, she was daddy's little girl for sure. And she really stylized herself as a female version of Robert Maxwell. Consumed by a son's condition, Maxwell clamped down on a surviving children. They led this hermatically sealed life, Preston told the post, and they lived an increasing dread of incurring his disapproval, his wrath. And that's how it is in these kind of families, right? You have this sort of patriarch who rules with an iron fist is in control of everything, the whole family for sure, definitely in control of the money, the fortune, trust funds. And you find all of the people that he is lording over

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14:33Michael was installed in a hospital less than a mile from the family home at Headington Hill Hall. This terrible dark specter hung over the family unspoken for the next six years until Michael finally died of meningitis, Preston said. And again, look, I don't wish that on any family. I don't care how much I dislike somebody or think that they're evil. I don't ever wish this sort of thing on people's families or it's terrible, right? I mean, as much of a scumbag as the Maxwell family is, it must've been terrible to see their kid dying in a bed like that, right? I can't even imagine, honestly. For years, Gilein shattered parents, excuse me, for years, Gilein's shattered parents could barely muster a glance in her direction. She was basically ignored. Her brother Ian told Preston and she even developed anorexia while still a toddler, Mom Betty later revealed in her memoir,

15:34anorexia as a toddler. Jesus, I never even heard of anything like that to be honest with you. I mean, that's a condition in toddlers. I thought anorexia was like a learned condition. Shows you how much I know. Finally, one day when she was three or four, Gilein stood in front of her mother, stamped her foot, and said, mummy, I exist, Preston said. That's a bit dramatic, huh? That's a bit of a dramatic scene. I wonder who recalled that for Mr. Preston. I'm guessing from that diary, maybe? I don't know. But that must have been quite the sign, huh? Mummy, I exist. Sheesh. The dramatic scene struck a cordon or brush, father, who may have seen himself in Gilein's willful outspokenness. Giltily, he started showering her with attention to make up for his neglect. Much later, Betty admitted how spoiled the girl became, but Robert Maxwell never saw it.

16:36She became her father's clear favorite, Preston said. In 1987, when Robert brought a $20 million, $190 foot super yacht, he dubbed it Lady Gilein, an incredibly divisive thing to do with a wife and three other daughters at home, Preston noted. Yeah, look, I could see how that could fracture the family, right? Especially in a family like this, when everybody is always on the battlefront, trying to, you know, get their piece of the pie. So I could definitely see how that could cause some divisions within the family unit, especially when you have all of these siblings jockeying for, you know, mom and dad's approval. A similar dynamic toward Gilein's father, born Jan Ludvik Hawk in 1923, to a desperately poor Jewish family in a village now in Ukraine. I was never young. I never had that privilege. Robert Maxwell said decades later,

17:37I remember how cold I was, how hungry I was, and how much I loved my mother. And look, if Robert Maxwell would have not done what he did, if he would have just had the story of rags to riches, I mean, think about it for a minute, put it to the side, all of the stuff about how disgusting this family is. Imagine this story, if he would have been a good person, imagine how this story would have been lauded and talked about and the books that would have been written about it. But instead, he takes his great power and his second opportunity at life and becomes a miserable, feaving prick. So as much as I'd love to have some compassion for what they went through, I don't because not everybody got that second chance. How many people were killed in those concentration camps, folks that never got a second chance. And yet Maxwell gets the second chance

18:39is afforded all of this great wealth and power and absolutely shits the bed with it. Young Jans Flair for Languages gave the family hope that he might become a rabbi, but at age 16, he snipped off his sidelochs and left home as World War II loomed. See, that's the kind of stuff that I don't even know about. I mean, this dude splits from his country at 16 years old, he snipped off his sidelochs. I guess that he's talking about, he had like the hissitic curls I'm guessing is what that means. And he left home as World War II loomed. I mean, where are you going at 16? I mean, back then it was a different time though, right? How many people came to America at 12, 13, 14, 15 without parents? So again, this could have been a different kind of story.

19:43This could have been the kind of story that you pointed to and you said, look, anything is possible if you work hard. But instead, this has become that cautionary tale of people who rose from nothing, achieved great heights socially and economically, and once got there, completely forgot who they were. He made his way to England where he adopted a new, vaguely Scottish name, blustered his way into the British army and saw action in France and Germany, leaving his family to be swept away into the maw of the Holocaust, only two sisters managed to survive. Well, look, the whole entire situation of World War II is so disturbing when you look at it in hindsight. My grandfather, my mother's father,

20:43was one of the first American soldiers into the concentration camps during World War II. And it had such an effect on him when he came home that he very rarely, very rarely even talked about it. He was also in a Jeep on the way to liberate the concentration camps that was struck by a mortar and everybody in the Jeep, besides him, ended up dying. And it affected my grandfather so greatly that he never drove a vehicle ever again when he came home from World War II. So I can't even imagine what it must have been like for people living there at the time who got swept up in this when the Nazis came and knocked on your door, dragged you out of your home, dragged your children out of your home and you were left with no one there to defend you.

21:44I can't even imagine what that must have felt like. And I can't even imagine what it must have been like for the Allied soldiers, the first ones to get into these concentration camps to see how disgustingly brutal these people were being treated. Everything to do with this past was still an open wound Betty wrote in her memoir, Robert never managed to reconcile himself with his grief or overcome his guilt. Instead, he set out to become a gentleman in a squire as he put it. His fluency in Russian, English and French landed him assignments from Britain's intelligence services and a job running a propaganda operation in post-war Berlin. And there you start to see the beginnings of Bob Maxwell and his intelligence ties. You know, assignments from Britain's intelligence services and once there, you know he was meeting with people from the American intelligence services.

22:45Obviously, the Russian intelligence services and running a propaganda operation in post-war Berlin. So you see the burgeoning career of Robert Maxwell, the intelligence asset right after the war. There, Robert launched his publishing empire by buying up a huge catalog of German scientific research with the help of an unprecedented investment from MI6, Britain's foreign intelligence agency. And the second that happened, that's when Maxwell became an agent of MI6. Let's not cut corners here, folks. Let's call it for what it is. You think that MI6 is just going to donate money to somebody or give them money to set up an operation? Hell no, it's quid pro quo. He effectively became our agent, Desmond Bristow, a former British intelligence officer

23:45tells Preston in his book. It was a role that Maxwell apparently played for years, using his publishing perch to see disinformation to Soviet contacts and pick up data on new technology. So that's where it comes from when people say that he was working with Soviet intelligence as well, Russian intelligence, that's definitely the case. I know there was people that wanted to talk like it, that never happened, but we all know that Robert Maxwell was working for multiple intelligence agencies. Now some folks will say, oh, he was a spy for these agencies, that's not the case. He was an asset. There's not very many real spies in the world like you see in the movies, okay? There are handlers and there are assets. And Robert Maxwell was an asset. Hello, it is Ryan and we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chamba Casino.

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25:48from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Pergamon, the company he founded, established Britain's modern scientific publishing industry. But it wasn't enough for Maxwell, who soon began his lifelong practice of asset stripping, borrowing in the name of one of his businesses to make another appear more profitable. Asset stripping, huh? Let's call that what it is. That's theft from one company to artificially inflate the price of another, okay? See, this is where greed comes in. Maxwell could have had a great life just doing what he was doing, but he needed more, more power, more money, more wealth, more contacts.

26:53And little G-Lane sitting at his knee, while she was taking notes. By 1969 his fiscal double dealing came to a head. When an American company on the verge of buying a Pergamon subsidi, got a look at its books, Maxwell was pushed out of the parent company, which was, most awkwardly, headquartered on the grounds of his Oxford home. G-Lane was seven at the time. Yeah, well, of course they get a look at the books, they see that they're being cooked, they see that they're garbage, they see what's going on, and of course they're gonna push them to the side. But do you think a guy like Robert Maxwell is gonna suffer real penalties? Of course not, with all of his contacts, his intelligence protection, this guy had a, get out of jail free card, as they say. The children had the run of the house and grounds, Preston said, suddenly they go down to the basement, and there's this bloody great iron gate there. Outside there's a wooden fence topped with barbed wire.

27:56It was sort of a one-man version of West Berlin. How weird must that have been? This place is on the grounds of your home, and now the family doesn't own it, and there's a big-ass gate with barbed wire. Shush, so I guess the moral of the story there and the lesson to be learned is, well, don't have your company at your house. Pergamon's new owners had installed the barriers to physically exile Maxwell from the company's offices, located in an outbuilding that shared a cellar with the family home. Oh my gosh, I didn't know any of that, honestly. They were dark times, the inn Maxwell said. There seemed to be a fear in the air, a fear that we would be ostracized. Well, your father shouldn't be such a thief if he wasn't a thief, and if he didn't cook the books, you would never have to worry about someone building a gate to cut your basement in half. Robert Maxwell rebounded, again,

28:58by dint of some shady fiscal maneuvering. He used one of his minor companies to siphon funds out of Pergamon and sequester them outside Britain. After five years of lawsuits and slow fiscal strangulation, he regained control of his company. Look, Robert Maxwell was a lot of things, but he was a very shrewd businessman, the kind of man that will look to crush you if you cross him. And we see that here with how he regained control of Pergamon. When he went in there and basically gave him the, I find your lack of faith disturbing Vader throat crush. See, it becomes personal to people like this. It's not business. It is always personal. Right, Maxwell told the Pergamon board the day he won the battle. We're taking over now. You can all go that afternoon. He had the fence and barriers torn down. There was something not so much a moral about his,

30:00about him as premoral Peter J Maxwell's top A in the 80s would later say, as if he was wholly unaware of things like good and evil. Yeah, that's called a sociopath, okay? That's exactly what that's called. This dude, he didn't know the difference between good and evil because he was living in a falsified world. The same world that all of these so-called elite that we're dealing with in the Epstein case, still inhabit. In 1984, Maxwell bought Britain's top tabloid, the Daily Mirror. The acquisition established him as a political player. No labor government could succeed without the Mirror's support and gave his enormous ego a stage to match his rapidly expanding girth. Maxwell's face appeared in the Mirror's pages a hundred times in his first six months as publisher. So he used that the Mirror to definitely grow his stature, right? And also to give him more political power.

31:02Because what is the old adage? The pen is mightier than the sword. So if he owned the Mirror and he was been in charge of the stories about politics, well, that makes him a very, very powerful player on the stage and somebody that is politically dangerous for the political class. It also gave a new role to 22-year-old Gilane who promoted the paper Sweepstakes Contests and became her father's unofficial Goodwill Ambassador, boosting her social visibility as she hosted corporate parties and acted as the Mirror's poster girl in promotions. So she was being moved along by dad, right? Yet, you know, one step out of time, she started taking over as the ambassador dealing with like parties and that kind of thing. So basically a marketing position is what Maxwell gave Gilane. Maxwell's urge for acquisition soon turned to America.

32:04In 1991, he pounced on the foundering New York Daily News. Gilane tagged along first to run Maxwell's corporate gifts, a New York-based vanity business bankrolled by her father, then to serve as his American social emissary, attending social events like now Governor Cuomo's wedding to Kerry Kennedy in 1990 on his behalf. Well, isn't that nice? Well, isn't that nice, Governor Cuomo? Was it nice to have Gilane at your wedding, sir? All of these people are such, such a bunch of clowns, such a bunch of idiots. In March 1991, Maxwell made an impressive New York entrance on the Lady Gilane, sailing the yacht up the East River as he arrived to finalize the Daily News deal. But to keep the paper afloat, he sold Pergamon, his crown jewel, and secretly raided the Mirror's Pension Funds. And I strongly believe that Jeffrey Epstein

33:08played a huge part in laundering those and helping him raid the Pensions and move this money. I am very, very, very convinced that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in that. Now, we don't have direct evidence yet, right? I mean, I don't have a paper trail, but my gut certainly tells me that's the case. With all of the evidence we have available, I believe that's the case. Eight months later, Maxwell's 68 was dead. He had taken a short cruise aboard the Lady Gilane through the Canary Islands to try to shake a nagging cold, he said, ahead of a scheduled November 5th meeting with the governor of the Bank of England. There, he would have to explain the Maxwell's corporation Billion-pound debt load, distributed among at least nine different international banks and investment firms, and the massive hole in its Pensions Reserve. So he had all of this on the agenda. He goes out on the Lady Gilane,

34:09you're the Canary Islands, goes for his sale, and then happens to die, just coincidentally dies a few days before he has this hearing, huh? Falls off the boat and is floating around and he doesn't get eaten by sharks or anything. I don't get it. But that morning, as the ship docked after an all-night sale, Robert Maxwell could not be found on board. Hours later, a helicopter cruise spotted his naked, spread-eagled body afloat in the Atlantic. Two autopsies could not conclusively prove a cause of death. Yeah, that's not shady or anything. I'm sure he was naked up on the deck of the boat, having an Alan Dershowitz moment playing with the volleyball, you know, bumping it back and forth to himself, and he happened to have a heart attack and fell off the boat, but asked naked, and that's how he died. What? Anyone check for any poison or anything like that

35:10because certainly looks like this is a bit fishy. The scandal that exploded in the days after Maxwell's death led to the arrests of brothers Ian and Kevin, who both held top positions in the families now, bankrupt business empire, but denied knowledge of their father's dealings. Both were charged with several counts of conspiracy to defraud and the case went to trial in 1995, but they were both acquitted the following year. Oh, of course they were. People like this, well, they don't go to jail, they don't get found guilty. You gotta be a low-level employee for that to happen. But Keelaine was probably more affected by the death of her father than any of her siblings, and she became his greatest offender, insisting that he could not have committed suicide and that a conspiracy of rogue spies and contract killers had murdered him. I actually agree with that, to be honest with you. I definitely agree that Robert Maxwell was clipped.

36:11Come on, man. You really think this guy just died all of a sudden, running around in his birthday suit? It's running around with everything God gave him, swinging in the wind. What was he doing? Listening to, you know, some music, having a dance-off on the bow of the ship and he fell in? None of it makes sense. Come on. The only thing that is logical, in my opinion here, is that Maxwell was clipped. In purely financial terms, she was left high and dry, he noted, at age 29, Keelaine had put more effort into socializing than developing a career. Oh, oh, contraire. That was her career, socializing. Building relationships for her and Epstein. So no, that was her career. With the family's business empire in ruins, she could count on only a trust fund in come of 80,000 pounds a year,

37:12about $190,000 in today's dollars. Barely enough to cover one of the extravagant parties she threw in her society days, as good times Keelaine. Imagine crying about 190 grand a year and a trust fund, 190 grand a year. And she's broke, she's destitute. Here's an idea, change your lifestyle, go back to school, do something. But instead, she was so greedy and so hungry for power that she links up with Jeffrey Epstein and they kicked this whole entire criminal enterprise into motion. But she did have an enviable address book. A public scorn was as public scorn rained down back at home in Britain. Keelaine settled in the relative anonymity of New York in 1992. She took an upper east side apartment and started rifling through her rolodex to sell high-end real estate to members of her wealthy social circle. Within months, she was dating financeier, pedophile,

38:13Jeffrey Epstein, wrong, wrong, wrong. You mean she was in business with Jeffrey Epstein? That's what you mean, right? Enough with the love and dating shit. That was the cover. He saved her a friend told Vanity Fair. When her father died, she was a wreck, inconsolable. And then Jeffrey took her in. She's never forgotten that and never will. You mean the business situation that her father and the handlers had set up, kicked into motion? That's what you mean, right? Took her in my ass. Well, some fools, men of the J.U. sold here from the WWE. When it's just me between matches, it's day one itch. That means it's chumba time. With hundreds of casino style games and new titles arriving weekly, there's always something fresh to try at chumba casino. The daily booze may get even more fun and have me about to get them all doing my downtime. Ready for a fun way to chill out and enjoy a few minutes for yourself? Let's chumba. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Void were prohibited by law, CTs and Cs. 21 Plus, sponsored by Chumba Casino.

39:16The sun shining, birds are singing and all feels right in the world. Until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed. In fact, one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year. At the American Psychiatric Association Foundation, our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentallyhealthynation.org to learn more. The relationship was romantic for only a short time, cover story, but their alliance endured for years. Fact, Epstein gave her security. He lane gave him entree to everyone from Prince Andrew and Naomi Campbell to Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. She managed some of his many properties, a former employee of Epstein's Palm Beach Home called her the Lady of the House and sometimes used her helicopter's pilot's license to ferry him to his private Caribbean Island

40:17and also from the airport in Santa Fe to Zoral Ranch. Confirmed by sources that I spoke to face to face. There he said it is appetite for sex with teenage girls and gillain reportedly enabled him and joined him, okay? Why are we still cutting corners here in New York Post? Let's get with it. Accusers say Maxwell acted as Epstein's madam, recruiting girls as young as 14 to give him air quotes, massages that soon devolved into sexual encounters and to have sex with his friends. Some have said that she sexually abused them herself. Some have said that in fact, yes, I'm glad that you brought it up because it sure seemed like nobody wants to talk about that portion of it. Maxwell is credibly accused by multiple girls of abusing them. The allegations made against me are abhorrent and entirely untrue, she has repeatedly said.

41:19Epstein avoided federal prosecution on sex trafficking charges in 2007 with a sweetheart deal that saw employee guilty to lesser crimes in Florida, but died under suspicious circumstances in a New York prison in 2019. Maxwell busted last July in a raid on a New Hampshire hideaway, remains under arrest on charges of recruiting and grooming three teenage girls for sexual abuse between 1994 and 1997. And as we all know, that's not all. That's a two-be continued situation as far as the charges. But she still has the support of her two closest siblings, Kevin and Ian. Both have been involved in the legal effort to bail their sister out of jail before her scheduled July 2021 trial, Preston said, and they staunchly insist on her innocence. Well, yeah, of course they do a, they're her siblings, and b, fellow travelers, right? We're not, it's not like we're talking about people here

42:21who are pillars of the community. So we'll be talking about Ian and Kevin as well. No doubt about it. It seems she immediately gravitated from her father's orbit to Epstein, but they were very different men, Preston, concluded. Maxwell was a tremendously overbearing, overlike figure, very much his own frontman. Epstein preferred operating in the shadows, but Gilein, if the story's her true, was a kind of front woman for Epstein. A skill she learned at her father's knee. No, she wasn't a front woman for it. Coconut spiriter, equal bosses, okay? Equal power, it was a power sharing structure that they were working under. Maxwell was in charge of the socials and helping with the grooming, and Epstein was in charge of the money and the rest. What is not in dispute, in my opinion, however, was that Gilein Maxwell wanted to be her father so bad and learned how to conduct herself

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