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That's what's so difficult to convey, I think, to a lot of the evangelical audiences that

these are actually geopolitical tools that are used. That's why you have Higgy saying that Russia

and China together are Gog and Magog. If you read the Christian church fathers, they interpret

that spiritually. It's the enemies of the church that are the Gog and Magog after the time of

the temple being destroyed. That persecute Christianity, the city and the book of Revelation,

it's the church. Paul said in Galatians 4, the heavenly Jerusalem is the church. It's not a

big block of cube that flies down and lands in Israel at the end of time. It's the church.

The church is the kingdom. Jesus says this in Matthew 16,

those realities are fulfilled at the first advent. But evangelicalism, Christian Zionism pushes

all that to the second advent, making the church ineffectual, and then they default to thinking

that the atheist nation-state of Israel is their church. It's not.

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has crushed the enemies of Zion. By my new book, In Defense of Israel, The Blood Moon Pies,

right? It looks like a Hagee's had a little too many Blood Moon Pies. I remember in my 20 years

years, Jesus was a rebel who the Jews dealt with wisely. Yeah, he wrote a book called Jesus,

In Defense of Israel, which is why Jesus was not really the plan Messiah, but it was like a plan B.

This is a dispensation. Jesus is not the Messiah, but a devil. The Jews dealt with wisely.

You can find that clip, by the way, it still exists on YouTube.

In Colombia, it goes like Jesus was a rebel. They dealt with wisely. That's a plan.

Yeah, so basically, you know, dispensationalism, Christian Zionism is not that old. It's a really

recent movement, late 1800s out of the UK. This is John Nelson Darby. This is the

planet of the brethren. And then their student, C.I. Scofield. Scofield was essentially a con man,

who was part of a club in the U.S. run by Samuel Ultramar, one of the first early American Zionists.

And the idea was to get the American Bible-Belt people on board with the support for the

Balfour Declaration and the coming nation state of Israel. So they played a huge role in changing

American Protestant attitudes. And even nowadays, Catholics as well, they sort of jumped on board

with a lot of this viabaticant too. And then now, finally, it comes down to the final form.

Jesus was actually not good. Yeah, so I'm Pastor Aiki and the name of Jesus destroyed our land.

Well, like you said, to get to that geopolitical side of it before the religious side of it,

like geopolitically, this ramped up during the Cold War, the C.I. utilized a lot of these

evangelical, you know, mega-chairs pastors at the time, like people trade Russia at everywhere,

yeah. How Lindsey, for example, put out his book, Lake Gray Pellet, Planet Earth.

But they also used the missionaries, the Protestant missionaries.

Absolutely. This is why places like China and Russia, and I'm not pro-China, but they would ban

U.S. evangelical missionaries because many of them were working for the C.I. work for intelligence.

So that's their perspective. Also, as you pointed out, China isn't really an enemy of Israel.

Israel has sold secrets to China for decades. This goes back to the 90s. There were a busted

for selling secrets to China. I would speak ill of Israel. You'll be scrubbed down dead by

lightning. Well, the spirit of the devils within you. Those promises. When God sent Israel into

bondage over and over again, God was committing anti-Semitism. Well, it's exactly right. So

let's say that for the sake of argument, you do want to argue that the nation's head of Israel

today, which is founded as a socialist exercise with the kaboots and three socialist

high-veitement theater herdsul and Moses has. There's the ideologues, not of whom actually believed

in religious Judaism, even. They were basically atheistic. Even if you wanted to say that was God's

providence or God's plan, well, according to the covenant sanctions in Deuteronomy, you can't go

back to the land until you've repented. So unless you think that socialism, atheism, and a big

gay capital on Tel Aviv is repentance, it doesn't even make sense. And that's what the New

Dracardi Superl drops. They're like, they're like, hey, we can't be there yet. Yeah, yeah.

So you can't be there until the Messiah comes in those repentance from their perspective. Now,

if you're a Christian, then you believe that this is. By the way, a five-year-old can read that

in the Torah. It's true. And in Galatians, if you're a Christian, you know, Paul says very

clearly in Galatians 3, that the seed of Abraham, the capital S seed in the abraignment promises,

Genesis 12, 15, 17, 22, is the Messiah. It's Christ. It's not a separate promise to an atheist,

socialist nation state that was begun as a Rothschild project in the 1860s. And that's all on record

in the Rothschild biography. By Morton and in Moses Hess's book, Roman Jerusalem. So they were

buying the land from the Sultans in the 1860s. And what was the reason for the Rothschild plan?

I know the answer, but you have a more elaborate one.

Their plan was multifaceted. Originally, the Rothschilds just wanted to have a pilgrimage site

for religious Jews to go visit. But then the politically-minded Zionists like

Heimweitzmann and Theodore Herzl and Moses Hess, they had an idea of a more politically-oriented

project where they could make Jerusalem the future capital of a socialist superstructure throughout

the world. That was their plan. The Rothschilds originally were not really into this. They didn't

want it to be a political project. But after a while, they sort of warmed up to the idea. And then

when the Rothschilds had a very powerful influence within the British Empire, it became an

in British Imperial project as an outpost for the Anglo-American establishment to have kind of

a strategic location there in the Middle East. They divided it up.

So in fairness, everybody always says it's the Jews running it all when it's more complex.

But now it is Israel because the Democrats and liberals have fallen apart that are trying to

come into the vacuum in Trump. So that's why I just now said now I would say Israel is in control

of our foreign policy. But we were already done this to Iran if they were in full control.

They certainly had huge undue influence. But I'm only saying now do they really have charge of it?

People go, oh God, you just figure that out? Well, I just now totally clicked to my view.

Obviously, we talked about their undue influence forever. But do you agree that now they really are in charge?

Yeah, I think in the last several decades post JFK, for example, and Quigley was writing his

books. He finished writing, we can treasure him in the 1960s. And at that point,

you know, APEC and these different lobbies didn't have as much power as they have now.

After the JFK event, which we know from the JFK files, Israel did have a role or hand in that or

had a motivation in that. Because it was a backdoor between James G's Zangleton and the Mossad,

there was documents that came out about money being transferred to different Cuban

assassins. But that's just like the CIA used the Italian mafia too.

Correct. It doesn't mean that they were in charge of it.

Well, I'm not saying they were in charge. I'm saying, no, I'm not saying you said that.

I just, he becomes this mindless debate about who's totally in charge. It's all one big blob.

Yeah, there's a there's a coordination of people in power. There's multiple motivations. There

was a motivation that Israel had over the D'Amona program that JFK was opposed to.

Meducs. There's a CIA motivation that they were angry at some of JFK's policies. The mafia had a

huge motivation because JFK and RFK had banished Marcelo. Whatever his name is, the New Orleans

Moffs, or they banished him to Guam or whatever. But when they made a deal with them, just

till the election of Chicago, so big picture now. What do you make of this Iran's situation?

It's trade or remove is closed. What Trump's done? Because on so many fronts, he's going sideways.

Well, it's a huge mistake. I think that this is going to further divide the base.

People were already arguing a year ago between Trump splitting the base on this topic, this

contentious issue of going to further wars. Again, it's not going to be really consistent to say,

well, I want to end the war in Ukraine, but I'm going to go fight this war for Israel against our

ran. And again, we have his tweets saying, don't go and die ran. It's a horrible idea. It's the

worst idea. And now it's like, we work for Qatar if we think it's bad idea.

Well, there was a tweet I shared from 2013. It was like, if you go with them, you're going to get

well, well, three, these people are the worst. Absolutely terribly.

Well, you said that one year ago on the campaign trail.

Right. Well, so it's a piece.

Exactly. And here we are. We fortunately kind of expected this. I know that many people

called this out. Fuentes said this. I said similar things. I didn't expect that there would be

a whole lot of divergence between what Netanyahu and what Trump wanted, unfortunately.

You agree with Fuentes? I don't agree with them on this. Let's take our ball and go home and

not vote Republican. That'll show. I think the Neocons want that. We go by each candidate and

vote for the good candidate. I don't think we don't. I mean, I don't know. I'm not going to vote

Democrat, but I kind of, I kind of, I didn't really vote at all until I voted for Trump.

You know what I mean? So like I'm pro Trump in the sense of 2016. And then I voted for Trump

again when it was stolen. You won't have a chance to vote for him again. My point is the idea

that we'll still get this by not voting. You're talking about voting Democrat. I think that's

a bad idea. I know you're talking about midterms. And you know, I know I wouldn't vote for Democrat.

Now I don't think that sends a message. Yeah, and I'm not mad at dick. That's his point. He

wants to show them that he's not being pept or whatever. But let me ask you about this.

Can we even spend our time trying to get Trump to pull out of this? Or is it too late?

I don't think it's going to be very effective again, because this seems to be the key issue that

you just can't challenge or go against, right? We know that Netanyahu back in the 1980s or

90s, the LaCoude had the plan. Well, earlier it was our Oded Yunnan plan, the Greater Israel

Project. Clean break. Then there was a clean break later on. Project American Century. He just

said two days ago, I've won this for 40 years. Yeah, exactly. And again, that's funny, because when

I talked about this for the last couple of years, I was referring over and over to the Oded

Yunnan Greater Israel Project. Oh, that doesn't exist. It's not a thing. Oh, but now it is, right? So

yeah, the 80s is attacked me and others saying it doesn't exist. They have patches on their arms

and military. They admit it. And now you have the Israeli ambassador of the US, Mike Huckabee,

saying, yeah, they're going to take it all. And again, he appeals to Genesis, but Genesis 12,

15, 17, 22, if you're Regulations III and IV, according to a supposed Christian minister, he should know

that the promise was to those who have faith in Christ. Once Christ has come, those promises are

fulfilled. So there's no longer a promise to an atheist socialist nation state to be set up by

the Rothschilds as preposterous, but that's what they've duped the evangelicals into it. The Jews

were carrying the covenant so that everybody else be grafted on. Exactly. And now that's in Christ.

You can't go back to the Old Testament to the Old Covenant. Now that Christ has come, it would be

Judaism. It was the first heresy that the church dealt with in the book of Acts. By the way,

you could just as a as a political scientist, look at the world's makeup and who does well, who does

bad. And even an African Christian group does great. Same tribe. Another group falls apart.

It's not going to work unless we become Christian, not even under a leader, but under Christ,

under it's not under some temporal leader, like the Pope or whatever, unless only in the political

analysis would Christianity unify the world and stop all this. That's what the globalists are

focused on attacking Christianity because they already know it's the thing in front of their way.

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Yeah, I was just on Tim Cass, we had a big debate with Tim Poole, and even Tim admitted that he's

not personally Christian, but he thinks that Christian ethics seems to work the best. So even atheists,

even agnostics admit that like the Christian ethos, the Christian ethic, even if you don't believe it,

does. How do you read what Jesus says and not say that's a great way to live? And it works great.

Absolutely. Yeah, the Ten Commandments, Christ gave the Ten Commandments. We believe so. That produces

healthy, flourishing societies, produces societies with commerce, free trade, etc. All those things

are part and parcel with Western civilization, the ethos that we have as a product of the historic

form of Christianity, which Christian Zionism and these various heresies that are, again, very late,

very recent ideas are literal geopolitical tools. That's what's so difficult to convey, I think,

to a lot of the evangelical audiences that these are actually geopolitical tools that are used.

That's why you have Higgie saying that Russia and China together are Gog and May Gog.

If you read the Christian church fathers, they interpret that spiritually. It's the enemies of the

church that are the Gog and May Gog after the time of the temple being destroyed. That persecute

Christianity, the city and the book of revolution, revolution is the church. Paul says in Galatians 4,

the heavenly Jerusalem is the church. It's not a big block of cube that flies down and lands in

Israel at the end of time. It's the church. The church is the kingdom. Jesus says to

Matthew 16. So those realities are fulfilled at the first advent. But evangelicalism, Christian Zionism

pushes all that to the second advent, making the church ineffectual, and then they default to

thinking that the atheist nation state of Israel is their church. It's not.

There's only a make of, yeah, absolutely. What do you make of? I'll just tell you the Pentagon

teaching. This is the beginning of Armageddon and the May Gog, Gog war comes now. And so there's

no antichrist. We just keep right ahead and then God blows up Israel's enemies. I mean, they're

literally saying we're going to control God and force Jesus return. This is a perfect example of

what I was saying earlier with in the Cold War. You can go into studying how the CIA utilized

evangelical intimes pastors to try to convince everybody in the West that Russia and China were the

atheist superpowers. Now they were atheist superpowers, but they were also funded by a lot of the

corporate elites and banks in the West. So it was a false dialectic in my view. But this is a

perfect restatement of that plan of that strategy of manipulating Bible belt people and good-hearted

Americans who believe that the Pentagon is involved in some new crusade. It's not a crusade for

Jesus. It's not a crusade for Christ. It's a project for Israel, obviously. Anybody who hasn't

used sense can see that. But notice we were told, fight them over here so they're, we've gotten

10, 15, 20 times more Muslims in Europe than US Canada. You name it since the invasion

in several 2001 than we had before. So it was just crusade. How do you suddenly get all these

Muslims? They go blow them up and then bring them here by design. Absolutely. Yeah. So again,

it's a bigger project than just good guy versus bad guy where the new crusaders were Templars.

It's none of that. It's a strategy to destroy the West and you can you can deplete the West with

these wars and then bring all of these Muslims into the West by design. This was the what the

Fabian Socialist said would bring down the West 100 years ago. They were way ahead.

And Israel newspapers now say the US is declining. We as Israel will be the new center of the new

world system. We will be the empire. They're literally bragging about it. And they said we don't

need America anymore. If we lose America as our support base will shift to India. We'll rely on

Indian technology, Indian workers. India is a huge supporter of Israel of Zionism. So we don't

we don't care if we lose America in the end. So they prepare it, I think, for the possibility of

America beginning to continue to have this divide amongst the Mogebase to not support, you know,

de facto anything that Israel wants. And again, you go back to 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago,

there was a lot less default support of Israel. You know, you had presidents that would and even

at the time Trump has done not everything that Netanyahu seemingly wanted. What changed so

recently with Trump? I don't know. That's a great question. I love shows a lot of speculation

and debate. I suspect that this is, I know that the war was planned prior to Epstein stuff coming

out. But I suspect that Epstein was the biggest story for, you know, in my view, in the last

50 years, Epstein stuff you really think about it. It indicates everything that we've said about

espionage geopolitics and the control of the West by these organized crime syndicates. So I would

suggest that perhaps the timing also helps with putting all that Epstein stuff to rest.

Absolutely. And we always knew they bring out the old Jane Doe stuff that would turn out to be fake.

Now they've just released yesterday. Creepy nicknames should have allegedly used with Epstein

revealed a teaser. Now, I don't think this story came out was not true, but they're

now the Justice Department's releasing the stuff they held back. Epstein follows DOJ releases

previously with all the FBI reports about sex abuse allegation against President Trump

that underaged girl. And again, this is recycled. But why try to cover something up that came

out in 2016 and later than was disprovency? Well, they recycled these things obviously to,

to go against the administration. Because again, I'm not seeing yet any proof that, like you

pointed out, the Trump himself did anything with anybody underage if that exists. I haven't seen

it. But I think like you said, the main mistake here was to not do what the people wanted. So we've

seen a series in the last few months of I think big mistakes on the part of the Trump administration

with not releasing this and then going to war seemingly as is real one. People can find you

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Sass a little bit. Sass a little bit. Sass a little bit. Sass a little Frodo.

Oh, yeah. What's up? Welcome.

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's

largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw billboard of yours recently that said

20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think

somewhere north probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and

batter and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time

goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if

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Part two of my Hobbit deep dive, the Hobbit deep dive that you've all been requesting.

Test test. All right. Let's get into it. So if you saw part one and yeah, I'm still on the road

obviously. So wish I could give you a better aesthetic, a better vibe. But this is how it is.

This is where we are. You know, I've got, I want to thank whoever in the comments recommend

that I listen to the lectures of Dr. Rachel Brown. She's University of Chicago. Don't know much

about her, but she is I think just a literary professor and we did get into some of her lectures.

And just to kind of cap it off with her analysis, I think, or to begin to begin it off, I should say.

She had some good insights. I think she had an interesting point about token really being

informed by liturgy, which vindicates the thesis that I had that this is a world that is reenchanted.

It's a world where myth is not lie or deception. Myth is in fact how humans derive and understand

truth. Meaning that stories with beginnings, middles and ends are the way that we come to know

our place in the universe, our place in our own lives as stories with beginning, middles and ends.

In fact, although you might not think it's related, but transcend the argumentation

has an element to where you could argue that the way humans are so constituted, we only come to know

things with beginning, middle, and instructors. For example, not just our lives, but if you think

about every conversation or interaction has a beginning of interaction, a process, a middle and

then some end or purpose or completion. And so all of reality for human experience is constituted

in this tripartite way, beginning, middle, and end. And so there's a kind of a triad there,

you could say, that underlies human knowledge, interaction, meaning, society in general.

And Tolkien is essentially giving us the same idea with the fact that our lives are structured

like stories, our days are structured in this way. Our liturgical cycle and calendar has these

patterns and structures to them. And that's really what gives our existence in our world and our

meaning for humans. The modern post-modern post-scientific enlightenment world that is about

abstracting knowledge, about making knowledge essentially divorced from beginning, middle, and end.

It's really just meaningless integers or abstractions into a kind of mathematical superstructure

that doesn't have a beginning, middle, and end. It's antithetical to the way humans relate to the world.

Humans relate to the world through stories. And Dr. Brown in her lecture to summarize,

went into the text of the Lord of the Rings. We aren't there yet. We will get there. Obviously,

we're still doing Hobbit, but there are significant sections in Lord of the Rings. And of course,

I love the full volume that has all the Allen Lee art. Many people were asking me,

which versions should I get? Well, as you can tell, the Allen Lee art is what inspired,

obviously, the films and the aesthetic of the Lord of the Rings films. So I would recommend the full

all three books in one book version that has all the Allen Lee art. But beyond that, I want to note that

there's a great conversation that's had between Samwise and Frodo at one point in the journey where

they laugh about being in the midst of the story. And there's a kind of a meta discussion going on

because Frodo doesn't really think about it. Sam actually has the insight and explains to Frodo that

Mr. Frodo, maybe one day those things about us will be the people in the stories. So we'll be the

story. Oh, Sam. Sam. And it's kind of goofy in the films, but

and then Frodo makes that joke. Tell me about Sam. And that's actually an important

text in the literature aspect of this because it's a meta narrative talking about how the text

is seen as something to be read over and over. And one of the clues to that is that Sam

has this odd phrase where he says, we'll be like the sections in the red and the black. And a lot of

people are debating even to this day what the toll can mean by Samwise referring to being red and

the red and the black. And I think I know what this is because I had a background as a traditional

Catholic. And the Roman Brewery, the Roman Missile, especially if you went to the Latin Mass, is

right in black. And this would be a liturgical text. And even Rachel Brown, the professor says this

is probably possibly some liturgical text because that's the way medieval liturgical texts were

colored at times. And that's the way the Roman... I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan.

I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury

law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said 20 billion

one. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think,

somewhere north probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better

and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

Awesome. So how does someone do in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into

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the pre-Vaticant to traditional Latin Mass. Missile, I still have mine from when I was a tradcat.

And it's quite marked up and it has a lot of insights and notes that are good even if it's

Roman Catholic and that's relevant because of course J.R.R. Tolkien was a tradcat and was a

devotee of the Latin Mass and famously walked out of the Nova Sordo when he saw it because he saw

it as a Protestantized, you know, accurately. Basically demolition, you could say, of the

Tridentine Mass tradition. So anyway, that's a key insight here to the idea of we are all

done participating in a cosmic liturgy, which is a Mormon Orthodox idea, not that that doesn't

exist in the Latin West, but it's again more prominent in eastern liturgical tradition to think

of ourselves as participating not just in the local liturgy of our church, but that the liturgy

itself is a cosmic liturgy. Again, echoing, same maximum of sick investor. And perhaps this year

at our conference, I might even do a talk on an Orthodox appraisal of Middle-Earth or of the Lord

of the Rings. Of course, a lot of people in our sphere, Neil DeGarde, Father Stephen DeYoung,

Tim Gordon, all of these guys are Lord of the Rings Spurgs. So I think we have a lot of

people to tap into when it comes to this. We can find our own little fellowship, fellowship of

the Spurgs, and we can all collaborate on figuring out some, some, Mr. Frodo, Mr. Frodo,

Jamie's in there cracking up. Aren't you? Jamie's laughing. So every time I say

Vider and Beater, Jamie doesn't know what I'm talking about because I keep referring to

Glamdring and Orchrist, the Vider and Beater, which sounds ridiculous, but the names of the

swords, the goblin cleavers, anyway. So we saw in the first half, if you guys know, we got to

the point in the story where they had, where did we get to? I forget, they had basically gotten to

the base of the mountain, the lonely mountain, and we were talking about what we had already seen,

Tolkien drawing from in terms of Bayorn, the skin changer, in terms of

magical technology, already kind of being hinted at as a dangerous thing that can be turned into

a thing that enslaves its holders, its users, whether it's men or hobbits or even elves.

For example, as we know, Galadriel gets tempted with the ring, and she says she will turn into,

I don't know, female bitch version of Sauron. I forget what she's tempted with exactly,

but I forgot to mention as well as many people have noted, of course, Tolkien was a

translator as well as we know, and a scholar of Balewolf, and he begins actually Balewolf studies,

for those that don't know, just like Umberto Eco kind of begins bond studies. A lot of people

don't know that he was a bondologist and sometimes notable scholars in linguists like Tolkien

or Umberto Eco, sometimes they actually create little sub disciplines, and so Tolkien is

famous for translating one of the early Middle English versions of

Balewolf for modern scholars. I had a great class on Middle English, and it is like

another language, it's very difficult, it's like learning some other language, it's not like

English, as we think of it today, but we noted, as you guys recall, the the danger of machinery,

the fact that the ring itself is kind of a technology, a magical technology, the transcends

time and space, it allows you to see far away, it expands, extends life, you know, the

Bilbo ends up living longer, and as he gives up the ring at the beginning of Lord of the Rings,

he seems to even kind of age quicker, that's noted a very early on in the text, but

anyway, we saw the different wizards, their elemental connections and structure, we saw

a bleak, bleak references to the Neuromancer at Dol Goldur, which is of course later revealed

to be Saramon, excuse me, Saram, but something I noticed that I don't think anyone else has

noted, and I am aware that at the beginning of the Lord of the Rings in the introductory essay,

the little prologue, Tolkien says he is not a huge fan of allegory, and he likes history over

allegory, and I think that's important to mention, because a lot of people will take issue and have

this sort of default, there's no allegory, there's no symbolism in the Lord of the Rings. Now,

there's difference between allegory and symbolism and something being set against history

allegorically, so a lot of times in literature, allegory is seen as something a historical and

non-historical. In that context, Tolkien is, I think, telling us that he's writing a story

that's kind of like historical fiction. It does not mean he's necessarily always opposed to

symbolism. It's rather that he's not interested in writing something that is not historically grounded

or not historical fiction. Does that make sense? Because a lot of times, allegory just simply means

a historical or not literal, but you can have something in biblical hermeneutics, for example,

be history and allegory. This is the quadriga or the fourfold sense of scripture. You have the

literal, you have the anagogical, you have the spiritual, and you have the allegorical, or the

tropological being the moral. So you got these different senses of scripture in the classical

medieval formulation, and certainly as a medievalist, Tolkien would have been aware of this. I say

this because, again, many people will take issue with the Christian symbolism and Christian

symbology that I think is everywhere in the text. Obviously, I don't think the texts are only

Christian or only some sort of Christian symbolism. Certainly, it pulls from the eddas, it pulls from

Celtic mythology. There's a lot of different areas that he pulls from. I had a class on

Nordic and medieval texts in grad school, so I am aware of the eddas and these things, and I am

aware of Tolkien, finding a lot of influence and inspiration from those texts. And certainly,

those texts are not very allegorical. They're very sort of one-layered or mono-tiered, but that

doesn't mean that there's not a profuse amount of Christian symbolism and Christian history packed

within the Lord of the Rings. And I think that that's absolutely the case. In fact, I'm going to,

again, argue that Tolkien even relied heavily on deutericononical texts, and nobody else that I've

seen has even made this connection. For example, the oliphons. The oliphons are very reminiscent

of a scene in the Maccabees where you have elephants coming into battle. The magical swords so that

we see throughout Lord of the Rings, right? Those recall the shards of Narsal, or this recalls

the magical sword that we see appearing, for example, in the Maccabees. And these are just texts

that a lot of people forget because they don't spend a lot of time reading the deuterocannon.

There's a lot of things in the deuterocannon that are relevant because Tolkien translated

if not Jonah. It might have been Jonah, but one of the other texts, if not Jonah,

for the Jerusalem Bible. So he was aware of obviously Old Testament, minor prophets,

some would have read obviously the deutericononical texts as well as the deuterocannon is part of the

Roman Catholic canon scripture as well as Orthodox. So these are texts and traditions that most

people don't look to. So pulling a heavily from from from biblical tradition, pulling heavily from

the deuterocannon, pulling heavily from Christian history and civilization, for example,

Byzantium. As you guys may know, it's pretty well known and undisputed that

Constantinople is really kind of the symbol or the the basis for

Minus Tirith and Gondor is Byzantium. In fact, the beacon lighting system that they had in

Gondor is essentially the beacon system of Byzantium to warn against invaders. And just as

Byzantium was kind of a bulwark against the hordes of the east in the same way,

Minus Tirith and Ausgilieth are essentially the bulwarks against the hordes of the east of

Mordor. In fact, we're even told that Sauron recruits evil men of the east to become part of his

vast horde of the armies of Mordor. So Tolkien, I think, is going beyond just some sort of

mirror World War II analysis and tapping into just more of an eschatological story of the end of

the age of the end of the time of the Great War for the Ring, as it's called at the beginning of

Lord of the Rings. In the same way, there's a mini apocalypse or a mini end of time, so to speak

in the Hobbit, which as we said in many, many ways mirrors the longer Lord of the Rings.

Hobbit is a mini Lord of the Rings in terms of its structure and journey.

So all of that in mind, then we can come to some of the areas that I think no one else has really

plumbed the depths of with regard to what's going on in the Hobbit, particularly with the Jews.

And the relationship with the Jews to Gentiles and the Gentile Church.

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There is basis for this. In 1971, BBC interview Tolkien was asked, is there a connection between

the dwarves and Jews? And he laughed and said, obviously, of course. So that settles that issue. But

nobody else has really, as far as I'm aware, I'm not a super scholar of Hobbit lore and maybe

somebody has noticed this. But I haven't noticed anyone talking about the desolation of smog.

That's curious terminology because again, that's deuterocononical terminology with the desolation

that occurs in terms of the macabees when the temple is desecrated under Antiochus Epiphanes,

who sacrifices a pig on the altar and desecrates it leading to the abomination of desolation.

That's also a reference in the book of Daniel, right? If we remember that, well, it's not just

those texts. It's also Christ who refers to the abomination of desolation in Luke 21, Matthew 24,

at the end of the Gospel of Mark, in the Olivet discourse, Christ talks about the abomination

of desolation. And this is an end of the Old Testament period, an end of the age of the Aeon of

the temple and its administration. That is wrapped up like a scroll, as Hebrew says and is

essentially done with, now that the Messianic Age has commenced, now that the Messiah has come.

In like manner, we have a desolation that occurs with smog, taking the homeland, taking the place

of the people who dwell under the mountain in this case, the Jews or the dwarves, who are associated

with jewels, who are associated with the flow of gold, the forge that exists underneath the mountain,

and it returning to its former glory. But what's interesting is that there's a great sacrifice

that has to occur before this revitalization, this resurrection occurs for the dwarves to find

to their homeland. Again, the dwarves are of course a wandering people in Middle-earth,

but they have this curious arcan stone. And I think the arcan stone is the key point here that,

as I'm listening to this, I'm thinking, well, I didn't understand the obvious connection between

the dwarves and the Jews, but what about the connection between, for example, desolation and the

abomination of desolation, the desolation of smog. Again, Tolkien was a biblical scholar as well

as historian and linguist, so he would have been familiar with the allusions to biblical,

eschatological type events, but also to the idea that the arcan stone, which is the divine right,

it's the holy stone that gives the right to rule for the sons of foreign, or you can

might even see this kind of akin to the Davidic lineage right, the line of David. And what's the

relationship of the Jews and this right to rule? Because, of course, the scepter, as we know from

Genesis 49, doesn't depart from the house of David until the coming of Shiloh, until the Gentile

nations look to Shiloh. If the arcan stone, which is defined as or explained to mean the divine right

rulership stone or the holy stone, the precious stone, well, this is the stone cut without hands.

This is the precious stone, which is Christ, Christ is the divine stone cut without hands. In other

words, he has a divine nature. He's not just a human creation or a created being. He has a human

nature, but he's not only that. He's a divine person who assumes a human nature. And so the

arcan stone, I am reading this in as a symbol of Christ, the stone cut without hands, the precious

stone. Another reason I think this is the case is that when the armies come before the door of the

mines and the thorns are holed up in there, they're essentially captive in there.

Gandalf is who emerges in a disguise as an old man with a casket. And when he opens the casket,

the arcan stone is in the casket because, of course, Bilbo had given the arcan stone to

you, Thranduil in Bard and Gandalf. And this, of course, shocks Thorin. He can't believe it. He

thinks he's been betrayed. But what has to happen is, of course, the death and the sacrifice of

Thorin. Thorin gives up the precious stone. He loses the precious stone. The thing that he held

dearest, which is, of course, that the Jews, for example, in this symbolism would produce the Messiah.

It's lost. It goes to the Gentiles. It goes to the elves and the men. They end up with the

arcan stone, the great treasure of his people. Also remember that this is inside the mountain.

And the mountain here is Sinai, is Golgotha. So I read that as essentially the right to divine

rulership is ultimately Christ in the Davidic lineage. But the loss of that ends up with the loss

of that rulership and authority on earth for the Jews and even the Davidic lineage because

the seed of David that rules now according to Jeremiah 31 and 33 is forever. And it's the seed

of David that rules heaven from the right hand of the Father. So Christ is the arcan stone. The Jews

lose this arcan stone. They end up in this terrible situation. But there's hope because out of this,

they can eventually come to realize and regain the arcan stone, namely a person of Christ,

as Romans 11 says, when perhaps the Jews do engage in future repentance.

So Soren dies and this becomes a kind of a salvific death. And he says as he's dying that he knows that

he will be with his fathers or some sort of this effect until the world is renewed. So there is this

eschatological hope for resurrection in the universe of middle earth. And there is of course also

an eschatological final battle for middle earth. We don't really see this in the era of the ring.

That's for some future time unwritten as of yet because the Lord of the Rings is of course the

culmination of the third age. So with that in mind, I think a lot of this makes more sense because

this is more of a mini eschatology because this then leads to there's a kind of an Armageddon

here. There's only 10 pages in the chapter. What is it breaking to the clouds that deals with the

final battle or the battle of the five armies where ultimately even nature comes to the aid of

those who are good and who are on the side of good to defeat in this case the goblins and the army

of the goblins. So you have a mini Armageddon. You have a mini abomination of desolation. The dragon

is defeated. The armies of the goblins are ultimately defeated. And we are told then according to

talking that the theme here is food, cheer and song are more important than gold. That's the message

that Thorin learns. So at the end, courage and bravery, food, cheer and merriment,

mirth, as Charles Crowley always says, is more important than the accumulation of gold and

worldly power. And perhaps there's a message that Tolkien has for people in Middle Eastern people

in this regard because then they could see that their true Arkenstone is Christ.

Greed and war keep the races divided. And this aids the great serpent. This aids ultimately

Salron because remember the same pattern and structure occurs in the Lord of the Rings that we see

here occurring in the Hobbit. And as we've already noted, goblins are clearly references to demons

in the demonic elves or either the representation of the higher nature of men or man as immortal

or also perhaps angelic. As we said, golem was the trickster archetype or perhaps even a golem type

of character from a Jewish covalistic mythology. But Bilbo was also kind of a trickster if you

recall, Bilbo outwits golem when they have their riddle battle. And so he escapes with the ring.

The ring, as we said, is sort of only a side character in the Hobbit. It's not the main character

becomes kind of the main character obviously in the Lord of the Rings, but here it's kind of just

a side character, kind of a maguffin that's a magical object that we don't really know a lot about

yet, but we know that there's something coming on and that there's some connection with this

necromancer perhaps regard to the ring. But keep in mind that this will go much deeper into

neoplatonic and platonic mythology as well, because it's not just the ring of Gai Gis,

but when we get into the Lord of the Rings, there's explicit reference to Atlantis, which is

Numenor. There's explicit references to creation in a kind of a neoplatonic way. And this is why

Elevator, for example, who is the creator of Middle Earth, the god of Middle Earth is called

Elevator. He creates from his mind as the angels sing. And this is what we get, for example,

in the Somerillian. This is again a different type of world, a world where you have celestial

spheres that perhaps sing music as the ancient medieval world used to conceive of the celestial

spheres, right? This is a world again re-impragnated with liturgy and mistagogy to use the terminology

to say Maximus. That makes all of reality a kind of living symbol of the logos.

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won. $20 billion is insane number. Yeah, $20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think,

somewhere north probably closer to $22, $23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and

better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time

goes on. Awesome. So how does someone do in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if

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Although that's not the explicit meaning of the Lord of the Rings, that type of worldview

is the worldview of middle earth and the world of the token. Tolkien is trying to, I think,

introduce us to or reintroduce us to. And thus, the symbolism of Christianity is so

profuse, even under some of the layers of the Nordic and Celtic symbology that we see

so prevalent in the story. And we're going to note as well that the ring, for example,

Bilbo doesn't misuse. Maybe he abuses it later on, but at least in the story,

it's really only utilized when it's absolutely necessary. And again, this theme that I think

probably everybody's aware of with the Hobbit or with Lord of the Rings is that these types of

great evils are only overcome through great humility. For example, Bilbo has no grand designs to

take over the world, but he ends up being able to multiple times save the dwarves and multiple

times even basically save middle earth. You could save via the defeat of smog because Bilbo is the

one that gets the intelligence that smog has the missing breastplate where he has a soft,

soft weak spot. You know, he just over and over helps them even, even defying foreign to save

Thorin, right? Because giving the Arcan Stone to Thranduil was much better in the long run for

everybody than had he given the Arcan Stone to Thorin who was beginning to be eaten up with greed

and corruption. And we saw the same greed eat up the steward of Lake Town who ends up with the

dragon sickness, right? So dragon sickness is referenced specifically in regard to the steward of

Lake Town. Even though in the films, they make it very explicit in regard to Thorin. But yeah,

you could say that dragon sickness or the greed that you get from the temptation of the wealth

and perhaps even the Arcan Stone here because of the power that it gives, it becomes a distraction,

right? From the thing that matters most. And Bilbo teaches this lesson to Thorin that what matters

the most is cheer and people in life and love, invert you in honor and not accumulating fat stacks.

Right. And so as we consider the themes here with salvation,

satiriology, Christology, I think we've gone pretty deep, especially when we got into the

the symbology of the elemental colors related to the wizards.

We're going to see a lot more of that type of depth when we get into Lord of the Rings in the

Sumeralian because again, you have to understand there is explicit, clear, neoplatonic reference,

particularly because the Valar are involved in the creation account, which is here different

than the Christian X-Neelow creation account. Here, Aluvatar creates the Valar, if I recall,

in the Sumeralian or co-creators. And so they kind of sing and help create existence along with

them. And this is explicitly spoken of, for example, I think it's early on, I'll have to look

again, but it's been years since I've looked at the Sumeralian. But early on it discusses, it discusses

that the world was created as a circle or a time and space or kind of like a circle.

So if you think about all the directions right, 360 degrees is a circle.

Bill Bowe's journey there and back again is a full circle because it says that it took him a

year to do the whole journey of there and back again is one year. That's three and six, five days.

That's a circle. The ring then is the circle. And it's the circle that's not just the neoplatonic

concentric circles of the celestial spheres, but it's also the circle of time and space and

transcending that or stepping out above and beyond the limitations of time and space.

And this idea is also another area of the Lord of the Rings. And in the ancient stories and in

the earlier ages, for example, the Valar forbid the Numenoreans to do certain things or go certain

places and just like the Atlantians and Atlantis, which again is a platonic, it's in the platonic

corpus in the Christia in Tameas and Christia, I think, or Crido. It's either Christias or Crido, but

the remnants of the legend in the myth of Atlantis, which in the Lord of the Rings is the Numenoreans,

explicitly. It gets flooded when it has this advanced technology and this advanced power that

it misuses. And then only certain members are saved through boats, which is Noah. This is the

story of Noah. And they have the tree. I think they have some of the seeds of one of the trees

of Lord of the Rings mythology. We'll get into those trees because this also, I think,

pulls from not just the tree of knowledge and the tree of life and genesis and inscripture, but also

Yggdrazel, which is the universal tree of Nordic mythology. I think Tolkien has kind of seen

connections between all these as well. And we're going to note as we get into this that it's not

just neoplatonism, it's also history. So it's the curious collection of influences because

neoplatonism typically has been very a historical. It's been against history. And Tolkien, again, as we

see is very much a fan of history. In fact, he's more interested in history than a historical

things. So it's curious and it's fascinating that he pulls from obviously neoplatonism. We have

that confirmed with the, not just this obviously what's in the Somerilian, but we have that confirmed

with the references to Ransom and the appendix of volume one of the space trilogy, where CS Lewis

is talking to Professor Ransom who was Tolkien. And Tolkien says, or Ransom says, yes, I've stumbled

upon other worlds through studying medieval neoplatonic texts.

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this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully

keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone do in contact with Morgan

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you. AKA the other worlds of middle earth, perhaps Narnia, etc. And what's going on in these

other realms, so to speak, not multiverse, but other other worlds. So we also have warnings,

as we said, about the rise of technology. And that's going to be very prominent, very clear when

we see not just the warning that we have with the goblins creating the weapons of mass destruction

that the hobbit says, but also the references to the necromancers powers, the powers that

Soromon will develop. Soromon's desire to be the many colored wizard to have all the elements

under his mastery, all time and space, weather control, etc., all of what Soromon engages

including gunpowder. Think about how Gandalf, for example, who is not interested in domination or

violating nature, Gandalf's good white magic or his virtue is, in the case of say gunpowder,

it's just the firecracker show that he puts on for Bilbo's birthday party. Whereas for Soromon,

gunpowder is an implement of war. And in the prologue of orderings, for example, Tolkien makes

it clear that hobbits are simple people. They're not into magic and they don't like technology.

And so for them, they don't see or perceive using or misusing nature in that way. Nature should

be something that you kind of live in harmony with, not against in the sense of taking

without need. Hobbits, for example, don't even kill unless they need, right? So you can kill

abrasive colonies, Mr. Photo. But you would only do that if you're in need. You don't kill for sport,

he says. So again, the themes of the Palantir stone, Palantia, Palantir technology, etc.,

those kinds of warnings, the all-seeing eye that Soromon intends to possess. And even some

of the terminology that's used, this is my own speculation, I'm not even going deep into this,

but I noticed that some of the places associated with Mordor are very case-arion sounding,

right? You have the con, you have Kazar, the bridge of Kazadoum, and there's even places and locations

that sound Kazarian. Now again, I don't know that Tolkien had any interest in the Kazarian theory

of Kessler, that's not what I'm saying, but it is a fact that many Ashkenazi Jews do trace

to Kazarian lineage. I'm not saying that all Jews are Kazarian, I mean, that's not the point.

Just making an association that is potentially there with the types of terminology, because again,

we know that in the case of the world map of Eurasia, those places are essentially

the areas where Mordor would be, and that's the danger to the west, right? And Tolkien explains

very clearly at the beginning of Lord of the Rings that he's not writing all of this as some

story of World War II, right? So if you look at the context of when he talks about it not being

allegory, it's in the context of saying it's not an allegory of World War II. Now Tolkien was not

totally against allegory because he wrote other works that are famous allegories. And if you

listen to Dr. Rachel Brown's lectures, she points that out. So again, it's not an

an anti-symbolic treatise or work. And as we will notice, when I bring a bunch of

Lord of the Sparks people on, I guarantee you most of them will probably agree. I don't know,

maybe I'm wrong, maybe Tim Gordon. I know Tim Gordon has a specific theological reference to a

lot of this. I think, for example, the limbus bread. It's very similar to the Eucharist.

And so we have kind of sacramental objects throughout the story that are clearly reminiscent

of Christianity. But we'll get to all of that when we get to the Lord of the Rings and when we get to

other elements of the Nimonoreans and the the Somerilian and the old age, etc.

Otherwise, I hope you guys enjoyed the initial assessment of the Hobbit. I'm sure that many of you

will point out things that I missed. Most of what we've seen so far is not super deep,

it's just kind of giving us a taste of what we're going to get into in the Lord of the Rings. Although

we do think we have, because we know these other subjects, I do think we have kind of a basis to

understand, for example, the Catebasis. We've seen in this story, essentially, there's two

Catebasis. There is the first Catebasis when they go underneath the Misty Mountains and they

face off against the Great Goblin. And then they emerge to safety after destroying him. And then we

have the Catebasis of going down into the forges of the halls of the dwarves underneath the Lonely

Mountain and then battle with smog and then a kind of a resurrection of, you say, Mount Sinai to

mount to Golgotha, right, to the Heavily Mountain, which is essentially what the Lonely Mountain

becomes. It becomes this Heavily Mountain where the greenery and the flowers bloom again after

many, many years, many decades of essentially being a burned out wasteland due to smog's

burning it out. But so there we have my assessment of Hobbit as I prelude to our deep dive into

the Lord of the Rings and we're going to get deep into all of that. And also more things I think

that I noticed as we began rereading the Fellowship of the Ring that also I think

point to his time in espionage, right. Now I don't think this means that as far as we know, Tolkien

himself was not trained himself as some field operative, but he was utilized for his cryptographic

and linguistic connections and associations and deep knowledge for World War II, Blechley Park,

Enigma, machine type cryptography. And when you know that's exactly what you have in the appendices

is really the creation of his own languages. And I have no proof of this. I'm just wondering,

wouldn't it be interesting if the British had utilized Elvish or something like that to

communicate because it would be a perfect thing that the Japanese would never know what that is.

They could never decode Tolkien's Elvish or something like that or the Black Speech and

Mordor. But again, I'm just speculating because these kinds of invented languages have been used

in the past for intelligence agencies and kings and others to send secret cryptographic messages.

This is very important in the ancient medieval world. And if you study the history of cryptography,

I read several books on that, you'll find that to be the case. And it's not accidental that he

went to work for two years at Blechley Park, studying cryptography and decoding a tiny mustache man

messages. And that that might be a factor in some of the espionage activities of both Bilbo,

Frodo, Gandalf, and El-Rond and others. Otherwise, if you enjoyed this, tell me what I missed and what

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and batter and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time

goes on. Awesome. So how does someone do in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if

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Eastern mysticism is very compatible with the sorts of mystic ideas that Epstein seemed to be

involved with. Shia Islam is also straight up Neoplatonism. They even say the Quran is actually a

mystical Neoplatonic text, which is the earliest antithesis of Christianity. The earliest church

fathers that were defending the Trinity were fighting Neoplatonic doctrine. So Christianity is not

Neoplatonism. It is Trinitarian, which is not Neoplatonic. They had to fight the Platonic Academy.

That's why Jensenian and Byzantium he outlawed the Platonic Academy because there was so much

confusion and chaos that originism and the Neoplateness were causing.

Thank you, Harrison. We just had a John Hagee impersonation challenge and they're with Alex a minute

ago. And the butt moons of Israel by my new book in defense of Israel where you'll learn that Jesus

was not the Messiah. So I know we're going to talk a lot about like Epstein and stuff, but let's

start with that. How do we combat this? How do we combat this apocalyptic death cult that is

getting us into war with Iran? The only way to combat it is to continue what we do, which is to

wait people up to the life cult of Orthodox Christianity in my view. So that's the solution

to get people more than just news, but also a world you appear on to live by. I think that's

really the only way it's going to take longer to go that route, but until we reclaim transcendent

values and foundations and we don't just live according to the passions and degeneracy,

we're not going to fix things. Yeah, it seems like there just, there has to be like a spiritual

element to it because logically I can't figure it out. I'm like, there's a gap in my understanding

of the world. And I'm just like demons are at work here because it's completely logical. It makes

no sense, but it seems like something is as possessing these people trying to get us into war. It's

crazy. What do you think about that book list that doesn't Jeff Jeff Epstein have a nice

Amazon wish list of books before he supposedly passed away? Speaking of demons and aliens,

of all of the names that came out in the Epstein files, a couple stood out to me one being

Deepak Chopra, who said God is not real, only little girls are real, pleasure is real.

And the Dalai Lama, and here is the interesting book list that they found from his Amazon.com.

So he was ordering books, Secrets of Western Tantra, Modern Sex Magic, The Jesus Dynasty,

Shocker and Kundalini workbook, ecstasy through Tantra, etc. So he was very into Eastern

mysticism and demonic activity, right? Right. So I am going to do, you know Courtney Turner?

Yeah, of course. So we're going to do this whole 600 page book on the Dalai Lama. So I just

brought some notes from that and I brought some notes from a book that I just read called Cult

of the Shadow by Kenneth Grant, who was a protégé of Alcher Crowley, who you've been mentioning

a little bit on the show because of the files. So this all goes into ETs, Yoga, Tantra,

and the West kind of views Tibetan mysticism as sort of like a sanitized enlightenment from the East.

It's like they promote non-violence, rationalism, stuff like that. But there is a shadow behind

the person who they call the living Buddha, the Dalai Lama, right? And he was also into some espionage

if you want to mention that. Yeah, and World War II, the previous or two Dalai Lama's back,

however many it was, Western intelligence in general, whether the CIA or Nazi intelligence tried

to sort of make alliances with the Dalai Lama to shore up support geostrategically for the reason

of Tibet. Of course, we know about, you know, Himmler taking that journey of his soldiers into Tibet,

into the Himalayas, trying to find the root race and all this kind of stuff out of Blavatsky's ideology.

But geostrategically, it's also been something that the West has seen as a way to shore up

support against China. So the free Tibet project is a famous CIA operation declassified now,

which people thought about and wrote about for many years, but now we know it's declassified

I think a few months, six months ago that the Dalai Lama was essentially made an asset of Western

intelligence. To some degree, it doesn't mean that he was trained as a, you know, assassin or something

like that, but he was basically working with Western intelligence against China.

And you could say the Dalai Lama and American intelligence would have shared interest,

they'd want to work together anyway. Exactly, right. It's just interesting to me. It's like

there are a couple of figures from history and even now where it's like the Dalai Lama,

Mother Teresa Gandhi, and it's like all of these characters, you don't want to look too far

under the surface, but they've been given this sort of cloak of, you know, perfectness by the media,

decade over decade, where their names almost become a byword of righteousness and purity.

Yes. And the truth is a lot more. Well, all of those figures have some degree of

co-opting intelligence-wise, at least perhaps in the case of Mother Teresa, you could argue,

it's not totally clear, but her originators have been investigated for trafficking.

Right. But also in the case of Gandhi, Gandhi was a Fabian socialist and there's a lot of

evidence to suggest that he also worked with British intelligence. And he attended the funeral

of Madame Blavatsky. So he was interested in the philosophy, Fabian socialism. Same with Blavatsky,

that's all a Rothschild intelligence network operation. So we're beginning to see patterns here

of, oh, that's why Blavatsky was going to meet with Soviet intelligence. Those were her ascended

masters or actually Soviet intelligence handlers and people like Nicholas Rohrich of Soviet Russia.

So sometimes these mystical missions are actually cover for espionage reconnaissance,

that kind of stuff. And then there's the weird connections where Gandhi has things,

where he was testing his purity by sleeping in the same bed as little girls. And then,

you know, Dalai Lama went viral a couple of years ago where it's a really creepy video where he's

like licking a little, it's so weird. But yeah, I didn't think you, you're, you're

majesty. I'm like, I'm just trying to be spiritual. Why you act to wear it? It's like, geez,

you know, Catholics, they do the cross. And, you know, I guess the Dalai Lama licks a little,

it just creepy. So there's, there's some creepiness under the surfaces.

It's completely creepy. And what we've been given is this Hollywood whitewashed version of the

spirituality talking about compassion, breathing mindfulness, those buzzwords, you have, you know,

Richard Geer and Sting, right? Right, the new age sort of just yoga kind of.

But for many Tibetan temples, there is a secret room where the public can't enter and often is

forbidden to women. And this is a very underneath. It's a very misogynistic religion. And that's why

it's very sad to see a lot of people getting into yoga and these eastern because when they get

into the heart of it, it's all about sucking the female's life force out into starting them.

Well, they actually hate women. They do. So yeah, women are latrines. Yes. Okay. So the women can't go

into these rooms where you're going to see animal skins. You're going to see images of

wrathful deities holding severed heads and gushing blood everywhere, garlands of skulls. Just

total nightmare fuel, right? Yes. So this Buddhism is not about peas. It's about power, right?

And specifically male power and the central mystery of this tantric Buddhism involves the sacrifice

of the feminine. They call it. And this is the sorcery that manipulates erotic love, not for

partnership or romance, but to accumulate. They say the universal androcentric power. So it's also

about Androgyne. So it's not about men either. This is why Crowley took all of his tantric stuff

from that right to channel the magic. And he said the booty hole is better than the vagina.

Literally. Yes. So the OTO is like the order of the eastern Templars. So what he was trying to do

is take these things and mix it with Western magic and create something else, right? And so for

the Dalai Lama, like you mentioned, the ritual is politics and you can't separate their magic

from the state craft. And they believe that they are controlling the cosmos as well as the

mundane world. Yeah. That's really interesting. I can't tell what the connection is yet, but I feel

like there's something to do with the Iran war that's connected there. The magic affecting the

real world and sort of making your own miracles come true by your own force. Do you see the

line I'm trying to draw you? We're getting into this in the last hour over there with stuff

I'm on it, which is I see a connection between user e and sawdemy. Right. So there's a connection

between the promotion of sort of degenerate sexual practices, removing women from the natural

function of having a family and kids. And then you have basically just the fulfillment of the passions

which is sterile. It doesn't produce life in the same way that userous banking systems do not

produce. They are really just rapacious and they're sort of predatory. Right. And people have

actually historically written about how user and sawdemy go together because a society that's

userous is also a sawdemy based society. Wow. Yeah. That's that's fascinating. Yeah. So sacrificing

the feminine and to sorry, just the way that you phrased it, I thought I thought was was

really good. So it's they basically the state craft and the mysticism are intertwined. Can you

elaborate a little on that? So he's just like the universal king. Right. Right. The Dalai Lama is

and how they get to this place is the use of women's sexuality. So going back to the Buddha,

his mother, who was named Queen Maya, which is also the word for illusion. Right. So the mundane

world, the physical world is seen as feminine. It's not real. It's something to transcend or sacrifice

on your way to apotheosis. Okay. And so she died seven days after giving birth to Buddha.

And they see this not as a tragedy, but as a theological necessity, because they have to

transcend the physical world. For the spirit to triumph, they say the mother has to be removed

from the picture. And enlightenment requires the destruction and transcendence of the feminine

natural world. So that's why you see, well, not the only reason, but you do see a lot in

popular culture, where the tale of the hero starts with the death of the mother. Right. And so

very many Disney movies have this not just for trauma, but they're also trying to implement these

eastern ways of thinking into the West, right? Another reason for that, by the way, is because

eastern thinking is typically collectivist. Right. And Aldousoxy in his book, Perennial Philosophy,

says we have to inculcate this collectivist perspective in the West. Everyone belongs to

yeah. Exactly. Then you're bound to the morals of the global village. Right. No boundaries.

And this, you know, one thing I always think about, I was talking to a Christian missionary

who would go to, I think it was Thailand, but you would try to rescue women that were trapped in

sex slavery. And like his biggest barrier was their own unwillingness to change their condition

because religiously they're taught, you know, life is pain. And you're sort of a bad person if

you try to stop the suffering that you're experiencing. I didn't really understand it, but this guy,

I mean, he's talking from personal experience and he's going, look, there are women in really bad

situations, but like they thought it was a sin to try to change that and they wouldn't come,

even though we're like, we have a, we can take you away. We can take you to the West. You can

be free. They wouldn't do it because there's this religious inclination to like feel bad about

not suffering. I don't know if you all run into that. Oh, yeah. It wasn't Santa Claus.

Hey, Nicholas, didn't he rescue women from sex slavery? Yes, that's right. The orthodox

and he's the opposite of like opposite with orthodoxy is that no, you don't have to be a slave.

At least you ideally, you shouldn't if there's a way out. So yeah, so yeah, sex slavery was the

way of the pagan world until Christendom and he came and dethroned all of that temple prostitution

basically. But for the Buddha, he calls women wandering latrines and a swamp of garbage. So

people who are like anti-patriarchy or anti-Christian and they want to go to these mystical

Eastern religions and they get embroiled in these ideas of thinking. Like Instagram yoga chicks

that think that it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is so peaceful and nice, but it's not.

No. So in early Buddhism, the female body was viewed with absolute disgust and monks were

instructed to meditate on the decomposition of female corpses and the goal was to kill their

own sexual desire. Oh, yeah. So basically it's taken gay. I think that's what I'm hearing, yeah.

Question about something. It gets really gross too. And if we get started talking about Kenneth

Grant, it gets even worse. But so in Buddhism, a woman cannot achieve full enlightenment as a woman.

You have to be reborn as a man and then you're on your way. So it's like a biological glass ceiling.

A woman must generate enough good karma to be born again as a man. And that's what you guys

were talking about. You don't interfere with other people's karma because they have done something

to deserve your circumstances in this life. Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. And I guess

personally, they can go, well, I deserve this situation. I'm in because my past life or whatever.

And that's extremely dangerous. And then there's elements of the human sacrifice there too. I guess

not literal, but I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and

a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty

awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is

an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north probably

closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the

number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone

get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the

easiest way is dialing pound law. It's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our

call center is always waiting to take your call 24 7 365. Wow, Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan

America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit for

the people dot com for an office near you. Yeah, mental, I guess, mentally sacrificing the woman,

or they were they physically. All of it. Yeah. Well, they have a teaching of the left-handed path

that you have to go down in order to fully experience the totality of reality. You can't just be

good. You also have to experience all forms of evil. So, and that's part of the tantra left hand

path, right? And that's some 17 frakeism. And there's a bunch of heresies that exactly. Yeah,

follow that. Yeah. So the tantra is explicitly sexual, but it's not about pleasure or partnership

or children or family. It the method they call the method is masculine and wisdom is feminine.

And there's also correlation between the Greek philosophy of Zeus and this because Zeus

swallows wisdom and gives birth to Athena from his own head. Right. And so the male method of

tantra eats the women. He manipulates and appropriates the female wisdom. And so you have these yogis,

these gurus, these mystical guys. They are trying to unite with women to absorb their energy

and they call this gynergy, right? Okay. Makes sense. Sure. Yeah. Why not? The vital power or force

that the yogi is after and the goal of the practitioner of tantra is to become androgynous.

Interesting. To transcend above the gender divisions because you're more enlightened if you

understand the sophisticate understanding that gender is a social construct. That's yeah,

amazing. Delusion. Right. He needs the fuel of the feminine energy because he lacks that specific

vitality. So the woman is basically a battery that is to be used up and the husk or the person

afterwards is discarded once it is drained. So the yogi uses the woman as a tool and once he's got

the juice, we can talk about the juice. He throws away the fruit literally and so she is no more

of used to him than a nut shell. Yeah. Wow. And people have no idea that this is the way that

Eastern religious. Yeah. So when you go and sit with your yogi or your maharishi or your guru

and your worshiping, oh, show is a good example of that, right? Who turned out to be working with

the government and having a cult, trying to murder people, take over the town. Right.

Get all of their votes. Was this the while while country? Yeah. Oh my God. That's like one of the

most informative documentaries of all time. Yeah. Because that one has that kid that that

characterization where it's all sort of upper class neoliberal like professionals that just get

sucked into this like weirdo sex cult stuff. And it's like these are intelligent, thoughtful American

people, but they just fall for this crap. Why is it so? Why is it people like that and not

field workers and construction workers that get pulled into this stuff? I always ask that like,

how do they pay their bills? Right. It was the same with heaven's gate too. That was all like a bunch

of wealthy, you know, yuppie professionals that went into heaven's gate and they're like, yeah,

we're going to catch the tail of hellbob comment right away. It's like what? Yeah. What is it

about that? Because I mean, I guess you can see it sort of all over the place. It's the, you know,

it's academia. It's people that go to college. They come out, you know, thinking all of this,

this weirdo exotic stuff is, I guess it's fascinating, but you know, it just makes it even more

abundantly clear how right Christianity is. It's like we're the only religion that actually treats

women correctly as people don't know that. And I'm even seeing now things of, you know, women

making the argument that, you know, the hijab is actually about freeing women because it

sparks you from the male gaze. I mean, there's this weird sort of inversion where women who are

feminists gravitate to the most misogynistic religions. It's a sort of a punishment complex

there where they sort of have this inner desire to want to be dominated, I think, because they

don't see masculinity typically in the West. And so they sort of grasp for what they perceive

to be a dominating masculine force, which is Islam, which is not. It's actually a terrible

cold to once you study Islam in depth, which ended up doing less several years. So,

yeah, it's ridiculous. By the way, the valing doesn't even come originally from

Muhammad. It's actually a Byzantine tradition that's adopted. Interesting. And then they sort of took

it crazy with basically covering your entire face. Because Christianity has traditions where

women have to be covered when they go into church. And obviously, you know, if you're a nun

and you're wearing the habit, that's completely different than, you know, the seven-year-old happy

birthday put the hood on. You know, I mean, these are, you know, completely different things,

even though people try to relate them. Jamie, how's a woman? What the hell? You guys, I mean, what

are you? Why? And I'm kidding, obviously. But it is. It is a very sort of female phenomenon

that women will like gravitate towards these really misogynistic states of mind, worldviews,

religions. Why do you think that is? I don't know. I mean, I was just making a joke the other day.

Like, if the feminist could have been good for anything, it would have been, you know, stopping

Islamification. One would think. But it doesn't have to make sense. Feminism is always an

astroturf. That's the thing. It's like, it's not a real organic movement that women just decided,

oh, we want to be, you know, not having to work in factories and we want to have the right to vote.

It was always astroturf. It was always supported by cunning elites and banking elites that knew

that this would up in society by getting women to think that they've been deprived of not having

the role of a man, which is just insidious. And it's actually, as Tim Bordenov often says, or

Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson, often point out, it's the original gender dysmorphia. Yeah.

To make you think that you're being sold alive by not being a man. It's like their

complimentary men and women. Yeah, of course. Obviously. And by the way, as Jamie was saying,

like, it's an attack on the source of life. Yeah. I mean, we come from women. We don't come from

test tubes. Well, you can't separate men and women. You can't, if you are anti-woman, you're

anti-man. If you're anti-man, you're anti-family. So you can't, it's, if you wanted a good example

of Eastern thought about this, the doubt is one of those things. The yin-yin, that's like male

and female, you cannot separate those. But for tantra, there's three kinds of women. So you have

your flesh and blood partner, step one. Use all the women that you can collect all of their

energy and discard them, right? And then step two is the imaginary woman. And so you have these

specific tantras that cite preference for young girls, ideally between 12 and 16. So that's why

you have Jeffrey Epstein interested in this. And tantric stuff. And tantric stuff. So for them,

the youth represents this pure, untapped energy. And older women are often described as demons,

as jackal faced, as seen as having bad energy, or just basically being drained of all of their

vitality, right? Right. But there's a reason that's 12 to 16, right? Not even younger. You would think

the younger you are the more energy you have, but there's a fertility aspect to it as well as in there.

Yeah, it's the endocrine, when the hormones are firing. Right. Yeah. A little past puberty.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So once the yogi has become proficient in manipulating a real women, like I said,

he creates this imaginary woman, this goddess that he visualizes, visualizes and engages with her

in his mind. So that's his dream girl, right? And this is something that you see a lot of people

just engaging in not knowing that this is like demonic, but just pornography or dream girls or

you know, digital fantasy stuff. Right. Okay. This is step two of the demonic manifestation of

some of your dream girls. The Beyonce movies. Yeah. Were you dreaming girl? No. I knew there's

something demonic about dream girls. They might actually apply to that. Yeah. I mean, I have a whole

thing about how she is the archetype of a scarlet woman. Not that she exactly knows what's going on,

but the people use these girls in rituals, right? Yeah. So the final stage, the yogi has internalized

this feminine principle and absorbed all the women's essence and he has become the autocratic

ruler of his own universe, right? So relations with women are like this booster rocket that you use

and then you discard it when you're I'm imagining the Ghostbusters containment unit that like

saps in all the women's energy, like your ex-girlfriends or just a little machine that you tap into,

is that the idea? It's like the thing in Ghostbusters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Wow.

These llamas, these teachers, these gurus, they're actually think of themselves as grand

sorcerers who can become higher than the Buddha with these practices. And for them, the source of

reality comes with cities or magic powers. Okay. We're going to pick it up right there because we're

going to continue this discussion on the other side because I think this gives a lot of insight into

maybe what Jeffrey Epstein was doing with all the young women actually fits perfectly. I thought he

was some sort of yogi. Jay's new books called esoteric Hollywood three sex cults and apocalypse

in films the follow up to his much acclaimed series of books esoteric Hollywood one and two.

This is the latest just published, right? Where can people find this? A couple of months ago, you can

get it at jasonalysis.com in the shop and don't get it from Jeff Bezos, get it from me and you

get signed copies. It might be a little while before it ships out because we're on the road,

but we do all of our own orders. So yeah, jasonalysis.com in the shop and also Jamie's books are there.

She's got Hollywood Mind Control and a book on culture creation. Awesome. And it's funny how much

of this overlaps like, you know, whether you're talking about the war in Iran or like Jeffrey Epstein

looking up tantra books or and obviously now Hollywood is just sort of openly demonic. I mean,

we talked about this every time we talk that just it used to be that you had to investigate and

no symbolism and go, ah, see how they're in a circle. That's a magic story. Now it's just they're

just worshipping Satan on stage. It's just like not even subtle anymore. But it's like how

how seriously do we need to take this and how like hardcore because I always think back to being

in like high school and here in sort of the old the old boomers going yoga, that's from the devil.

You know, that's Satan, right? That's Satan worship. And I'm like, it's stretching, dude. I'm stretching

my muscles like good calm down. But now I see the background. I see the history. I see where it

came from. And I'm like, it may be the boomers were right. Maybe they had something there. I mean,

is yoga as people know it now still this exercise and in Satanism or or, you know, spirituality or

has it been stripped of that? I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going

today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney

and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's

pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is

the same number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere in North probably

closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the

number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone

get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the

easiest way is dialing pound law. It's pound five two nine from your cell phone. We are always open

our call centers always waiting to take your call 24 7 365. Wow, Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan

America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit for

the people.com for an office near you. Awaken your cum Delini. Okay. Yes. So Cundleini is the

center of all of this, right? And we were talking about state craft. And so they view these

powers, these magic powers that the Dalai Lama has or the Guru or the Yogi as legitimate tools

of ritual warfare. And we have a couple examples of that like men who stare at goats

the first earth battalion using new age principles to fight. And even Hitler had some Tibetan

he had like a tiny little private army from Tibet. And so they think to gain the vitality you

have to absorb it from someone else. The male eats the feminine energy. And yeah, so it takes

it into themselves. It's transmuted to the fuel for the masculine as sent to apotheosis. And then

I'm going to be doing this really soon. Alistair Crowley's eight lectures on yoga. So speaking of

ritual magic and Satanism, yes, he was a master yogi and he had a whole book on yoga and yoga

means a union. So you can't just do the stretches and the poses for stretching. You can do calstenics

or Pilates or whatever. But when you're going to yoga, they're going to tell you do these

breathing exercises, chant these mantras, have these mudras. You are channeling some type of energy,

right? So the union with like a deity. So he says like 10 times in the first chapter, yoga means

union, yoga means union with extra terrestrial beings. So this is kind of the invasion that we're

going to see, not like little green men and flying saucers, but energies or demonic petitions.

You're saying you haven't touched butts with ET? ET phone home. There you go. Oh, that's good.

The name of the show about yoga. Interesting. But yeah, so he created the OTO, which is the order

of the Eastern Templars to specifically channel energies from outer space and from serious, right?

So the ultimate object of the OTO is to they say prepare humanity for the next step towards the

awakening of cosmic consciousness by producing an issue to work with the Kundalini. So the Kundalini,

if you've never heard of that, it's this energy that lies at the base of your spine and when you

have orgasm, it travels upward and like sprouts out. Now you're enlightened. Okay. That's not really

the Christian ontology of our bodies. We don't really believe in shockers and stuff like that. But

they do equate this with Prometheus and with the serpent in the garden because the Kundalini is

the serpent energy that they would say Eve was enlightened by. Right. That makes sense that

that this was a symbolic interpretation. Yes. And the second goal of the OTO was to they say

establish on earth the law of Thalima and the kingdom of Rahuaquit. That's just a way of saying

Horace. Okay. Wow. Yeah. And so they want to use this energy of the Kundalini to establish

a gate in space. They say through which the extraterrestrial energies may enter and manifest on earth.

And keep in mind, Crowley was also an asset of British intelligence in my five, too.

Right. That's so fascinating how this ties in together. And of course, Father Syrah from Rose.

He calls out the new age stuff early on. And I think he also connected to UFOs, right?

And then Father Spiriton has a whole book about, yeah, UFOs and Satan in the kingdom or the

kingdom of Satan. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And so yeah, there's sort of a long history and orthodox

thought of connecting UFOs to sort of new age, Eastern spirituality. And it's all really from the

same source or working towards the same ends. And this is theosophy, too. So where we get the UN

comes from the Lucifer Trust, which became the use, Lucius Trust, and then the UN, they are all

big on meditating. They're big on ecumenism. They're big on one little religion. But

Madame Lovacsky was also in contact with these secret chiefs. They called them their hidden

masters of Tibet. Okay. Yeah. And Hitler was one of these devotees of these secret chiefs and

hidden masters. And they say when they would come in contact with them, they would bleed from

the nose and the ears and they were terrified and sweaty. And they were like, had real power. Yeah.

Wow. So. And the connection to Horus in Egypt is really in shingh, obviously,

free masonry takes it way back to Egypt. And historically, Egypt is a fascinating sort of,

I think, I think ancient Egypt was like the example of what they're trying to create on earth,

where you just have, because they had a culture that lasted basically unchanged for 4,000 years,

right? And when you, if you want to talk about temporal permanence, the Egyptian culture

is absolutely unmatched by thousands of years. And it seems to me like if you're trying to live

forever and want to create a persistent culture that can last for thousands of years,

Egypt is where you're going to model it after, after. Yeah. And those, you know, ancient

civilizations also, if you believe Genesis, really just the pattern of Babel, right? So the

tower of Babel is, you know, if you get into biblical studies and whatnot, a lot of times scholars

think that was a ziggurat or some form of a pyramid that was being built. You have the

the resurgence and the maintenance of that tradition with Egyptian pyramid and then all cultures

across the world have these pyramids where yeah, sacrifice people at the capital that like

apocalyptic with milk, you know, they'll give some movie, but that is, that is a repeating

spirit of Babel, I think, coming back. Yeah. And when you describe the Tibetan

inner chamber, you know, full of skulls, it just, it sounds verbatim like, you know, the Spanish

talking about exploring a pia 12 corner, however you pronounce it, but the Aztec city and it was

flowers and beautiful and kids running around. And then they're like, let's show you our church

and just gore hang from the ceilings and like, you know, some priests like sawing a guy and

half like, hey, how you doing? And the, you know, the Spanish were just like, oh my god,

but yeah, that's what it was this inner inner sanctum where they just was just horror and gore

and skulls and brutalities, right? I think he said or talk about how they would lead them to a

giant banquet and the Spanish would be like, oh, this is neat. And then they would bring out a

guy and slit his throat at the table and the outcomes mad to Nicholson as Hannibal like serving

you the meal. And they're all just like, are you, it's going to be delicious, aren't you happy?

And I was like, oh my god. So yeah, there, it's, there's something sort of intrinsic in humanity

and our spirituality that like were drawn to this across cultures, across, you know, millennia.

This is a persistent thing. Human sacrifice, the stealing of life force energy. And it seems

like has to do a lot with again sort of relaying back to the mace since. I don't know if, I've never

had this confirmed, but I heard one time and it stuck with me is that the G, they say it stands for

God and other stuff, but that stands for generative force. And that, right? So, you know, when it comes

to fertility, stealing life force, you're talking about usery and, and saw to me, it's like there's

this combat, I guess, between like the generative force and the, the draining, the vampiric force.

Well, in magic too. So like in Thalima, in OTO, in Golden Dawn, this is also using women to

suck out their life force because you can't attain the godhood in these workings as a woman either.

Crowley had his scarlet women who he would brand on the chest like with a hot iron.

Right. And he would use these girls too in his ritual working because they know that they can't

do anything without a woman, but they don't want women involved. Right, right. So that's

if there's props. Yeah. And what another show that I have in my member section because it's kind

of gross, it's called Cult of the Shadow. So Kenneth Grant wrote after Alex Crowley and he was

detailing what he calls the Ophidian current, which is the Kundalini, the Greek word for serpent,

right? So it's serpent energy. Remember the Delphi priestess would sit on the fissure and breathe

in the smoke and she would give prophecies. So this was supposed to be the dead serpent that

Apollo slayed and it would give them psychic powers, right? And that's the image that you see

on hospitals. Yeah. And so the high priestess is the human embodiment of this Kundalini

for the men and they talk about the cleafot, which is the dark side of the tree of life. So

Epstein was working with Kabbalah and stuff like that. Right. And so there's a good tree of life

and then there's a dark side, which is where the demons are. Right. And this is where they're

specifically working from in the certain left hand path, they call it the Varma Marg, which means

actually the use of women or black magic. Okay. And they work in these zones, it's called the

cough zone and it's a primitive brain region at the back of the head where they say is the

regions of the giants or the Nephilim. Now that is a weird thing to bring out, but they're actually

saying in their text that they work with the ancient gods of Sumer, of Mesopotamia, of Atlantis,

of the book of Enoch, right? The watchers and the Nephilim. So this is the same

pantheon that they are working with. Wow. Yeah. And I always, I always think about the father

sir from quote where he says, all of the old gods were demons. Yeah. He says it outright. All of them.

All of them were all demons. Oh, we're doing orthodoxy in the religion of the future very soon.

I'm halfway done with that. Yeah. And that is an old time classic that everybody in our audience

should read. So do you think Jeffrey Epstein was leaving like, how do you how do you think this

is interpreted by the people practicing it? It seems to me like, I don't know, I didn't see

much spirituality in Epstein's information. It seemed like the closest was I did a whole

livestream on my YouTube channel of the banan interview. There were significant sections

towards the end of the interview where Epstein got into his sort of mystical views and he was

arguing with banan saying, well, you know, we can't define the soul in terms of, you know,

matter or quantity, but we know that there's some kind of soul that's there. And he says, I believe

that reality is a projection of our consciousness, which is a very kind of narcissistic type of view.

And he says that reality is just math. So he has this Pythagorean mysticism, which to me suggests

that he did have some degree of Kabbalistic influence or interest because that's also in the Kabbalah.

He does tout his, you know, Judea supremacy of many of the emails. So that would be, I think,

reasonable to assume that that's what he means. He doesn't explicitly say, I'm into Kabbalah. He

does, however, say, I really do find Newton's alchemy fascinating. So there is explicit reference to

Pythagoreanism and sort of a, he says that reality is like a matrix and it's all math code and

not which is, which is convenient when you're like, you know, abusing people.

Yes, well, like she said about the women, right? Like if reality is not real, then it's, well,

I'm not hurting anybody because it's not real. Yeah, yeah, that's very convenient.

Just be born again in another body later on. I'm just helping you get reborn to be a man and

so it's better for me, right? Yeah. I'm helping you on that first step to resurrection, right?

By doing the dirty work. Wow. Yeah, that, so you mentioned Beyonce being a scarlet woman.

I got, I got to follow up with that. What does that mean? So what we've been seeing for the past

20 or so years is studying this and then the use of women as icons of this scarlet woman.

So Crowley would say this is Park Colley, which is an Indian goddess, right?

Yep. Part Ishtar from Babylon, which is the goddess of love and war, and she was worshiped by

Temple prostitution. They thought that this was a sacred act, but it wasn't voluntary.

Right. And it wasn't after 18 years old. This is like taking children like Epsteinwood to his

temple on the island and raising some of them to be like goddesses on earth, like not exactly a

vestile version, but a temple priest. Right. Right. Right. And boys too. Okay. So if you look at

goddess worship and this is where a lot of women get this wrong, like they think that a matriarchy would

be more kinder to women, worshipping pregnant ladies on couches, fanning them and eating gray.

It's not like that. It's kidnapping young girls, taking them to the temple,

raising them to be this avatar of a goddess and where men would come and pay, and that's how they

worship. Right. Right. And there's even some, we talked about that on the fourth hour where the

historians were like every little girl in Babylon had to do this at least one time. Right. And

wow. So you see the mother goddess is worshiped with self-harm for men. So they would do cross-dressing,

they would try and be androgynous like these yogis, right. And they would go out and beg for money,

they would do plays, they would cut themselves. You've seen like National Geographic where the

wild people are like stabbing and the blood's not coming out. Yeah. So this is the type of stuff

that goddess worship is involved with. Yeah. And you're talking about Beyoncé. Okay. So now you have

these giant celebrities, you have like Britney Spears, you have larger than life women who are

in the place of this worship instead of Anana, Ishtar, Sibley. It's going to be Beyoncé. Right.

Katie Perry. These because they have such a wide

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you follow the symbolism that they put on like we've done many shows about Katy Perry Superbowl.

I have a whole thing on Beyonce and all of her history. Right. Well, and she and of course,

Jay Z. I mean, they are like really into the whole like we're the Illuminati. They do the sign

of the pyramid. I mean, they thought it was cool to like, you know, dress up in that type of.

I think Jay Z is serious about crullingism like he's been a devotee openly for many,

many years. He's pretty serious about that. I also think they use this in conjunction with the

MK Ultra monarch program to give them multiple personalities. Right. Split their psyche,

make them more susceptible to a possession. Right. Things like that. And it didn't obviously just,

I mean, it's just such a well-known thing. You just think of the South Park episode where they're

sacrificing Brittany for the corn. And it's like, yeah, that she just got arrested for DUI,

right? She's just a complete wreck after how they treated her. And then you can see the way it's

sort of industrialized almost where I can never remember the woman's name, but I guess she was a

a is the Miley Cyrus path that she said, but there's a new kind of lines. Amanda by okay,

there's like a lot, right? I wouldn't even know when I was thinking no, there's a there's one,

she hasn't been destroyed yet, but you know, she started off as JoJo Steel. She's another one,

right? So they start off as like these very sort of wholesome, you know, people that that,

you know, little girls can see themselves in. And then the moment they're 18, they're out,

you know, twerking on stage and just being complete degenerates. And it's like obviously a

designed path that they're following. Yeah. And who was in the files, Jay-Z? Right. Well,

exactly. And of course, ties into the pub daddy abuse rings. And yeah, one of the Epstein emails

was him saying, by the way, if you need me to, I can send Brittany Spears to one of these facilities.

Right. That was crazy. I didn't even expect that was crazy for me. I was like, that's too

conspiratorial for me. Right? Come on, Jeffrey, you're more of a conspiracy theorist than I am,

but seriously, everybody forgets to that clip. I think it's Barbara Walters, but it's been around

for forever. It's a classic conspiracy clip where I think it's Barbara Walters is interviewing

Brittany Spears in the mid early 2000s. And she starts, she's dissociates. Do you know,

have you seen them? I don't know. Yeah, it's a classic clip. You can probably find her on YouTube

or somewhere, but she's like, she says something and it may be triggers her. And it's normal

Brittany. And then she turns it into a child. Well, now she could have been stoned or wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty. That's also going to happen if you're being... It's a notice

certainly different personality. Yeah. And again, people, you know, this isn't something like

vague that we're talking about. These are scientific phenomenon where you can create

personalities. You can split people's personalities through trauma. This isn't just speculation.

It's like, no, they have this down to a science to a certain degree. You can actually create

split personalities and people you can hypnotize. I mean, hypnotism is real. These things

are very tangible and real. And people don't, I don't think respect them enough.

John C. Lilly's book, programming and meta programming in the human bio computer. The very last

chapter has a section on dosing children with LSD to create different personalities. Right.

Explicitly. I'm sure. I bought that book because I didn't think I was like, there's no way he really

says that. But yeah, she does. I mean, they get away with it. Well, in the FC files too, they talk

about, you know, the, the goi and the other, right? Like, so they've set themselves over and

against the rest of humanity. And this is also, you can find it in Thalima in what's called

Libra Oz. And one of the passages is the slaves shall serve. So he's saying, it's kind of the

antithesis of, you know, in the Bible where it says the first shall be last, you know,

be humble and you will be exalted in heaven. So Libra Oz is the opposite of that. The kings

are going to rule in tyranny and the slaves are always going to be as they always were.

Right. That's fascinating. So how does this tie into like, because I'm just thinking,

excuse me, you know, I see we brought up like the 17 and Frankus. I see a lot of conversations

about like obviously what's going on right now with Jeffrey Epstein and Iran. It's all about

these Abrahamic faiths about Islam, Judaism and Christianity. How important is the eastern stuff

in what's going on today? Is it involved in the spiritual makeup of the world right now or is

this a side issue when we should be focusing on the B3? Well, I would actually argue that there

are not three Abrahamic faiths because if you believe Christianity, if you believe the Bible,

Paul's very clear in Galatians 3 and 4, that Christianity is the only Abrahamic faith.

For example, the Old Testament, a lot of people assume that it teaches a generic monotheism

or unitarianism. The Old Testament teaches the Trinity. Even the Jewish cobbler

should admit that there's multiplicity in God and the Old Testament. So the Old Testament deity

that appears is Jesus. Jesus makes this very clear in John 5 or 9 that he's the one that appeared

to Abraham. Right. And no one sees the Father at any time. So that means that in the Old Testament,

you have multiple persons in God that would be the Trinity and Old Testament. Therefore, there

is no such thing as an unitarian Old Testament faith that's Abraham worshiping Allah or something

like that. And then when you get into a scholarship that's this recent today about Islam, it's

pretty well known and pretty consistently admitted that Islam is based on a lot of Talmud,

Talmudic legends. Right. It's based on Gnostic legends and stories that were not canonical

scripture and that's because Muhammad was illiterate and he was hearing these stories being

taught and he kind of crafted his religion, which he said was originally the revelation of God

to the Arabs. So the Jews had the Torah, Christians had their Jesus in Geol Gospel. He's going to

create the religion for the Arab peoples and then it morphed later on into no actually I need to conquer

for everybody. Right. To accept this. So I would argue there's not three Abrahamic faith, but to your

point about Eastern mysticism, the same ideas that she's talking about with Eastern esoteric stuff

is the same Gnostic philosophy that influenced the Talmud and Neoplatanism. I know there's a

little bit of it. Exactly. So Eastern mysticism is very compatible with the sorts of mystic ideas

that Epstein seemed to be involved with. Shea Islam is also straight up Neoplatanism. They even say

no the the Quran is actually a mystical Neoplatonic text. Interesting. Which is the earliest

antithesis of Christianity. The earliest church fathers that were defending the Trinity were

fighting Neoplatonic doctrine. So Christianity is not Neoplatanism. It is Trinitarian, which is not

Neoplatonic. They had to fight the the Platonic Academy. That's why Gent Saint Justinian and

Byzantium he outlawed the Platonic Academy because there was so much confusion and chaos that

Originism and the Neoplatanists were causing. So that's what I would say is the real Abrahamic faith

and these that she's talking about are much more amenable to the sorts of mystical versions of

Islam or Judaism. Right. Which goes pretty far, especially when you get into the Kabbalah stuff.

Man, absolutely fascinating. In the book is esoteric Hollywood three sex cults and apocalypse

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