“Men Are Tr$sh… But Women Are Equal?” | Lily Kate | DSH #1847

Feminism campaigns actively against men and against masculinity.

Feminism is actually based off of a four-way contradiction,

and they all view women and men differently.

But the supremacist feminists of the four

have literally caused the red pill movement.

And the problem is, like, we actually need men.

Uh, I know it's not a very novel point to say,

but they're creating a more difficult society to where, you know, men are like,

all right, you want to compete against us?

Great, let's do it.

Let's see who wins, and women are naturally going to fall behind, so...

Okay, guys, here with a feminist dog is going to be the biggest feminist.

It was Lily Kate.

How's life been? How's the conference been for you?

Beautiful, wonderful.

It's reminding me that revival is still here,

even though infighting is really the big story of this conference.

This is the most infighting I've ever seen on the right.

It's kind of devolving.

It's more than the left, honestly.

Yeah, well, and of course, they're going to look at us and say,

oh, they're weak right in time for midterms.

I mean, we really only have what until next November to get our max together,

and that's really not a lot of time.

It's going to take someone having to apologize or concede,

which it doesn't look like is going to happen.

Yeah, and you'd hope that we'd have more maturity than we do,

but sometimes we don't, so.

But, you know, we have an epic...

We had an epic coalition builder in Charlie,

and obviously lost a national treasure,

but someone has to step up to be the coalition builder,

and be the uniter, and, you know,

it's very clear that you have to ostracize certain parts of the movement

on the very, very fringes to say we're not that,

but what else are we?

Like, how many people can we include within the movement to,

you know, make an effort?

You still pissing off the feminist, though, on Twitter?

For sure.

Yeah, always.

What's the latest person you're going after?

Well, it's more of an idea and a misconception

that even conservatives fall into.

So, most people, when they hear I'm anti-feminist,

they instantly think she doesn't want women to vote.

And I'm like, well, my first take for that is,

we're never going to go back to a place where women won't be able to vote ever,

so it's not even, like, it's just a red meat conversation

is what I call it.

It's never going to happen, so why are we even talking about it?

But people mostly assume that feminism actually got women the ability of voting.

And I actually thought that, too.

I'm coming out with a book probably September next year,

and I will show you the cover, but I'm not going to show everybody else.

I just want to get your reaction to it,

but it's called 50 Ways Feminism Failed,

or 50 Reasons Feminism Failed.

And one of the first ones is we talk about the misconception

that people believe that feminism actually got women to vote.

And that's just not true.

Suffrage is very, very different than feminism.

Suffrage is a single issue legal movement

that had a very definite end in the year 1920.

Feminism is a broad ideological movement

that seeks to restructure power and to restructure society.

Those are two very, very distinct things.

And so actually, if you do a, just go in like Google word search, right?

And take all literature and all writing that has been published

since the year 1500 to the year 1963.

The word feminism is used 0.00000012% of all the words that are used.

Wow.

And so virtually feminism as a concept

didn't actually exist in common society whatsoever

until the year 1963 and 1964.

And then if you elongate that search,

you'll see a rapid J curve that spikes straight up

because obviously in the 1960s,

and when feminism really was adopted

into Marxist principles invented

and promoted through academia.

So I always ask them, I say,

how can you say that feminism can take credit

for something that was accomplished so many years,

literally 40 years before feminism was even an idea

in the common, even in the margins of society.

And so I'm doing a speaking tour this upcoming spring

where I go to college campuses

and I say feminism takes way too much credit.

Here's the other thing that they take way too much credit

for getting women into the workforce.

You know, second way feminism is all about

women's equal access to the workforce.

Well, in World War II, 40% of women

were already in the workforce,

not because of feminists

and not because of their efforts

to have women achieve workforce equality.

It was because wartime efforts

required female participation in the workforce

so they could keep the economy going at all.

That, of course, Rosie the Riveter,

that's what that whole government campaign was for.

And so people believe,

and feminism retroactively takes so much credit

for things that other movements

and other forces have actually accomplished.

So that's really what I've been fighting a lot recently.

So it's kind of hijacked stories

and made it seem like it helped, but it's not.

Yes, it rewrites history because I mean,

obviously we all think great women can vote.

Awesome, cool, that's objectively

probably a good thing for society.

A lot of people on the right might

really disagree with me, of course,

but I think people should be able

to have access to the valbox, of course.

But again, feminism can't take credit for that

even though they agree with it.

They can totally agree with something

but I don't think it's right for them to take credit.

Have you had any debates with feminists?

Not yet about this topic

because I'm only just recently started

like uncovering the fact that conservative,

like even college students,

I go to turning point events

and I speak at a lot of college campuses

and even conservatives are like,

well, I still want women to be able to vote.

And I say, what does that have to do with feminism at all?

And then I'm able to talk to them about this.

So I'm getting a speaking series together

to bring this idea to college campuses

and prove it to them so they don't fall

for the brainwashing that feminism.

It is interesting how people just link the two like so quickly.

Well, they link them because what the suffrage claim

to serve was women

and what feminism claims to serve is also women.

And so to me, the conflation makes sense

and also so much of feminist messaging

cut boils down to, oh, so you don't want women

to vote if you're not a feminist.

Like they claimed that.

They claim that they own women

and I'm vehemently opposed to any movement

that thinks it owns me just because I'm a woman first of all.

But once you find out that they take way too much credit

for everything, you know.

It comes less serious.

Speaking of movements.

What about the tradwife movement?

Great question.

So the other speaking toward that I'm doing,

I let college campuses choose is,

I think both the right and the left

have actually got femininity wrong.

There's a lot of ways we could go with this.

But one time I was talking to Michael Knowles

back in 2023.

And I said, Michael, what is femininity?

And he and his poetic nature said

it's sugar spice and everything nice.

And I appreciated that because I was expecting him

to give me a checklist

of all the things a woman should do around the house,

how she should look, how she should operate.

But he didn't.

And that really reminded me that femininity

is not a costume.

And so tradwives are dressing up as feminine women.

And they look great doing it.

And I'm sure a lot of the messaging

is very, very exciting to a lot of women.

And sourdough is great.

And all of that, yeah.

All of that's fantastic.

But we have on the right reduced femininity

again to a costume.

The radical left says,

brightly colored makeup and a huge ball gown.

That's what femininity is.

Even if you're a dude and you put that on

like a drag queen, then you're feminine.

The right says, well, actually,

you have to be a woman to do it.

But a sundress and sourdough

and a chip and Joanna gains looking house

and 10 kids.

That's femininity.

But it's just not true.

So I'm sure you've heard of the fruits of the spirit, right?

Fruits of spirit.

Fruits of the spirit are a biblical,

it's a biblical concept

that you can find in Galatians 5 verses 22 and 23.

And it is the list of the fruits of the spirit

are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

faithless genitals and self-control.

And those are things that are an outpouring

of a good serving Christian person.

And so when I go to these college campuses,

I tell, because they're high school students,

they're college students,

they're not necessarily,

they're thinking about relationships,

but they're not getting married usually.

They don't have children yet in an ideal circumstance.

They're still working on finding their own identities

and actualizing themselves, which they should be.

And so femininity, you know,

the expression of it is often this far off goal

that so many young women look at.

And they're like, well, I'll be feminine

once I have all these different things.

But I tell them, I say, okay, so you're a woman, right?

Your biology is female, right?

Great.

And then if you choose to express the fruits of the spirit

because of who you are biologically,

you will be the most feminine version of yourself.

Then I say the same thing for the guys.

I say same set of attributes, same fruits of the spirit.

If you express those as a man,

you will be the most masculine version of yourself.

So I free them up.

I tell them you don't have to wait till you have a house

or the car you want or the CEO job title

or until you have, you know,

you've cut a certain amount of weight

that you're super jacked.

Like you don't have to wait for those things

to be a masculine man or a feminine woman.

You can actually start right now

because it's so much more of a posture of your heart

and it's so much more linked to your biology, actually,

than people like to say.

And your expression, your relation to other people

will be more feminine, respectively or more masculine

if you express the fruits of the spirit.

So I think the conservatives have often wanted femininity

and masculinity to be boiled down to a set of attributes

and then into a costume, which is no different

than what the left is doing.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know if the the tradwife stuff works.

There's new data on it.

What's the data?

Stay-at-home mothers sheets more than any other job occupation.

Would those single like, or sorry,

stay-at-home mothers be the types

that are also tradwives?

Because it depends what you mean by tradwives.

I would give tradwives as the content creator branch

of the mom movement.

Okay, I think of them as mothers at stay-at-home

and don't have like a nine to five job.

Got it.

Okay.

So maybe we differ on that.

A little bit.

I mean, I'm probably a little bit more chronically online

about it because that's where I, you know,

operate and stuff.

But so they're saying that stay-at-home moms cheat more often.

Or then other job occupations.

Yeah.

Do you think that's because of like,

just cultural trends?

Or what do you think that's from?

I think the guys are just not giving them attention on us.

You know, yeah, they're like-

Well, the currency of women is attention.

That's right.

Yes, the quicker that men can actually understand that

and give their wives.

And the thing is too, like women are,

they can be pretty high-maintenance for sure.

And it should be a goal to find a not very high-maintenance woman

and marry her, you know?

But the maintenance is in the attention, right?

And some women are materialistic

and you can weed those out pretty quickly.

But, you know, the maintenance is in the attention.

If you give her five minutes of intentionality

on your day before work,

and then as soon as you come home,

like that will go a long way.

Even just that intentionality could-

I realize, yeah,

quickly in my marriage that like,

me just texting her every couple hours when I'm at the office

means more to her than me, like, buying her a gift.

I mean, everyone has their different love.

Love like you do.

Her is his attention.

Yeah, whatever that one is.

The quality time.

Quality time.

Yeah, words of affirmation.

Yeah, those two.

Yeah, for sure.

It's a beautiful thing.

Like women operate best when they are being cord into

and that sounds so selfish.

But think of it like the sun in the moon, right?

The sun is there to reflect.

And then the moon, or to shed light

and then the moon reflects what the sun is reflecting on to it.

And women are built to receive.

And then because of our nurturing nature,

people say, oh, you're just more nurturing because you're a woman.

No, she's more nurturing because she has nurture coming in

and it naturally flows out of her.

That's what the feminine does.

And it's so beautiful,

but if she's not having any of that input,

anything downloaded into her from the men

that she wants that validation or approval from,

but just not a bad thing,

then she's not going to be able to output.

Oh, you're good.

Oh, my gosh.

It's so smooth.

Yeah.

She will not be able to output a good amount of nurture.

And she will feel that unsatisfaction.

And unfortunately, like I said,

the currency of women is attention.

It is.

Guys,

take notes.

I'll find a low maintenance point.

Where would you rank your maintenance levels?

Sorry.

Where would you rank your maintenance levels?

High or low?

I need for attention,

but a very, very low need for materialistic stuff.

I very much don't care about that kind of stuff at all, at all.

Like I want you to be able to protect and provide.

Those are like the basics for sure,

but I don't need stuff.

I don't need gifts.

I don't need diamonds.

I just want good conversation.

And I want to know that,

if I were to bring something to you,

you would,

I would be able to push up against you

and you wouldn't fold over immediately.

Okay.

But I'm also,

I was a speech and a bait person.

I'm also, you know, I love debating.

I love speaking.

So I'm able to more than other women probably

separate ideas from people.

Right.

Because I'm not a yell.

I don't descend into anger very quickly.

I don't yell.

I don't do all those things.

But, you know, I love discussion.

So more I can discuss with my person, the better.

So you actually don't raise your voice and disagreements.

That's impressive.

No, because I mean,

it literally helps.

Now, it actually riles you up more.

It's like so hard to fight sometimes.

Like I work on it actively,

but sometimes I'll just do it without even noticing.

You know, I'll raise my voice a little bit.

Yeah.

And the problem is it's,

it's just not productive.

It doesn't get you anywhere.

And I mean,

it's accurate if you need to take some time to cool off.

And that's totally valid.

Like you should do that.

I think in those moments, though,

advocating for your needs.

Hey, I need 30 minutes or I need six hours.

I need to talk about this with you tomorrow.

Setting those parameters and communicating that to your partner

will help them not spiral.

Yeah.

Which is a big thing.

Advocating for yourself in those moments

is also tremendously difficult.

It takes a lot of self-reflection,

but I found that a walk sleeping it off.

You know, the Christians always say,

don't go to bed angry.

And it's like, well,

actually sometimes you can go to bed angry

and then you'll wake up the next morning

and realize it was so silly.

But you were angry about.

And it's actually not even a hill worth dying on anymore.

And so, you know,

whatever works for your relationship,

whatever works for your marriage,

for conflict resolution is great.

I just think more communication is always better

and raising voices never, ever, ever helps.

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We'll go crazy and crazier

but we'll start off with red pill movement.

It's like the calendar to feminism, right?

Are you ready for familiar with that?

Yeah, yeah.

It's a reaction to feminism

which can't blame them.

Feminism campaigns actively against men

and against masculinity

because they're four different feminism

is actually based off of a four way

of contradiction and they all view women

and men differently.

But the supremacist feminist

of the four have literally caused the red pill movement

and the problem is we actually need men.

I know it's not a very novel point to say

but they're creating a more difficult society

to where men are like,

all right, you want to compete against us?

Great, let's do it.

Let's see who wins

and women are naturally going to fall behind.

So I think feminism is to blame for red pill

and you're seeing the destruction of that

because now you're seeing a flood of articles.

I'm 63 and alone.

Where are all the good men?

Man, feminism hasn't delivered the things

that I've wanted it to.

I want to get married and have a kid

but it's too late.

All the good men are taken

and you're seeing a generation of women

who it's so tragic

are seeing the consequences of what they've done,

what they've believed

and what they've pushed.

And every woman,

no matter how feminist or not feminist,

is looking for love.

She's looking to be married.

She's looking to be given that honorable position

of being a wife

and feminism actively pushes against women,

able to do that,

being able to do that

and that's tremendously, tremendously sad.

So, but it's their own fault really

and I can't do it to themselves.

No one else to blame but them

because if you're going to continually tell men

that they're the worst,

then they're going to go create their own movement,

their own spaces.

And then women of course will naturally come in

and take over like you're seeing with gaming.

For example,

now there's female gamers everywhere in the guy.

So like, can we just have one industry?

So that's actually something

I always tell young women

who are getting into relationships.

I always tell them,

don't co-opt all the time

that your boyfriend or whoever has.

Let him hang out with his friends.

Let him be with his friends.

And don't say,

you hung out with them for five hours

so you have to hang out with me for six.

You will always be there to welcome him in.

You want to make him come to you, right?

Let him have a time with his friends

because he needs that so much more

than you need time with him right now.

It's so important.

And, you know,

because I dated someone for a long time,

his security and what he loved were his friends.

And I loved that for him.

We were able to work through that.

And I was able to say,

I know that you need this and you value this

and this is so good for you

that whenever you're ready and you're done,

I will be waiting here,

probably have cooked dinner and with a big hug.

And I want to hear about every detail of everything

because I loved him

and I loved his friends for him

and I wanted to encourage him in that.

So you know,

Erica Kirk said something really beautiful

when she was reflecting on her relationship with Charlie.

He was often a little bit sad

that he had to work long hours.

And she said,

you know what,

home will always be here.

And I want to encourage young women with that

and say even when you're with your boyfriend

and you're out living together.

But if you're not living together,

but you're always trying to figure out more time with him

and you're trying to bring him in

but you're frustrated at him

and you're trying to,

you know,

guys need to have guide time.

Say I will always be here, right?

If you're in it for the long game,

I will always be here.

I want you to go out

and have this guide time

because guess what?

It will make him want to spend time with you.

It will make him want to spend time with you

and it'll be wonderful

and you will also hold on to less anger and resentment

if you just let him go into that.

Thank you for saying that

because a lot of women and men will get jealous

if their significant other leaves the house for a long time.

Well, then you mess up the whole dynamic

of the guys group

if one guy has the girlfriend there.

Like I'm all for everyone bringing their couples

doing couple hangouts.

That's great.

But if it's supposed to be guide time

and the girls there,

it changes the entire dynamic.

It's the same thing

when it's supposed to be all girls

and the guys there.

It's like, well, now you've put one person

the partner in an awkward situation

where they have to serve the group

and also have to serve the needs of their partner.

Yup.

And it just changes the whole entire dynamic.

For sure.

Last movement,

I want to see what you say about this one,

the in-sell movement.

That's a hot one these days.

Well, have you heard of fem cells too?

I haven't.

Fem cells are basically the female version of in-sells.

Wow.

So the females that are choosing not to cut sex.

Correct.

It's not a very serious movement.

It really doesn't have that much clause.

It's more of a reaction to whenever a man

they don't like gets elected into political office.

You saw a big spike of it right after the recent election of Trump.

Yeah.

But again, it is just a reaction to feminism.

If you are going to demonize men

for decades and decades and decades,

invalidate them, say that they're trash.

And then also say that women are equal to men.

That's the thing I never understand about feminism.

Men are trash, but women are equal to men.

And it's feminism right there.

Of course.

Yeah.

Doesn't make any sense.

But the in-sell movement is also just a,

I think a, frankly, a more immature reaction to it.

They say, well, if you're not going to have us in your spaces,

if you're not going to accept us as men,

then we'll just completely live life without you.

And I think sexual desire is something that is very, very healthy

and marriage, as the Bible has created,

is a way to civilize lust and to, to kind of curb it

and give it an institution to be let out in,

which is a beautiful thing.

And so anyone who is, any movement

that is trying to take you away from marriage

or institutions that civilize humans,

then that's a movement that is not,

not going to have any good fruit,

whether it's feminism or the in-sell movement

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It's very interesting.

As a guy, you get criticized if you have a low body count

and also, high, not as much,

but like Nick Fuentes, for example,

when he went up Pierce,

he was roasting him for having a zero body count.

I always felt ashamed as a guy not having slept around

growing up.

It's really interesting, right?

The girls, it's the opposite.

Totally the opposite.

Yeah, but it's also,

it's funny because that's actually feminist messaging

because their entire sexual revolution narrative

is built on the idea that men and women relate to sex,

that men and women should relate to sex in the same way.

Obviously, we don't.

But they say all these promiscuous men are going out

and having all this sex,

all these women getting all these body counts

and women should do that.

And so it's just really weird that now men are so praised

for having a high body count

because it was like that the sexual revolution

was kind of a and an angle getting to that,

which is like pointing that out is never something good.

And then, of course,

the biggest winners of the sexual revolution

are the promiscuous men because now sex is a lot more cheap

and it makes people,

it makes dating a lot harder for people like me, right?

Who have to compete with horse.

I quite frankly like felt like a loser growing up,

like just not having a high body count

or slept with anyone.

But feminism created that,

the praise of that archetype

because they seek to compete.

I could see that.

So when they say that that's what's happening

and women should compete with men in every aspect,

they're idolizing the promiscuous male.

Now I'm proud of it though to be honest.

Absolutely.

Like I've only been with one woman, I'm proud of that.

Awesome.

So counter-cultural.

Yeah, I know, right?

But I feel like that's a flex these days.

It totally is.

Yeah, it completely is

because now you are bonded with her

and will bond with nobody else.

And your bonding chemicals literally

will like fire in different ways

and the wonder women are so broken.

And then more badly seek attention.

It's the brokenness.

It's the boundarylessness.

It's all of those things.

Bad decisions of C.S. Lewis talks about

often in his writings, compound.

Good decisions also compound.

But yeah, there's a lot of.

And now they're doing all the studies

on birth control, how it's attracting women to guys.

They don't actually like crazy many times.

It's been she's on birth control in the relationship.

And then she's off birth control

and she loses all attraction to him.

It's crazy.

I can't believe the mic could be hijacked like that.

I know why.

It's absolutely wild.

Did you go through that or like,

were you ever on the pill?

No.

My dermatologist tried to put me on it

for my very, very, yes.

So if you go get acne medication or acne treatment,

there's certain medications that they will require you.

If they prescribe a medication to you,

they require you to also be on birth control.

What?

Yeah.

And so I'm crazy.

Of course, my mom was sitting in there.

I was like 15.

And I just wanted like a little,

little antibiotic, right?

And so anyway, this doctor lady comes in

and she's like, well,

we can put you on this most extreme acne medication.

We'll also have to put you on birth control.

And I was like, I never ever heard of it.

I was like 15.

And my mom was like, absolutely not.

She knew.

Oh, she knew because well,

and the big thing was I was a dancer at the time.

And the only women we'd seen go on birth control

gained 30 pounds in six months.

Because their hormones were all out of whack

and their body was holding on to so much more chemicals

and so much.

It was just confused.

It was all swollen.

So my mom was like, honestly,

that's not something we're willing to do

because of the potential weight gain.

And the doctor yelled at my mom.

She said, how dare you talk about weight and fatness

in front of your daughter?

That's crazy.

And I was like, I was like,

man, I'm a dancer.

Like, I actually don't want to be fat.

It matters to you.

And not saying that birth control

would have made me fat.

Because then the doctor lady said,

she said, well, I'm on birth control

and she was very skinny and I'm skinny.

And my mom was like,

that is not something that a doctor should ever say.

And a doctor should never yell and shame a mom

for trying to protect her own daughter.

Like insane.

Unreal.

Yeah, I was on Accutane grown up.

Was that the one they were trying to put?

Exactly it.

We're seven months of my life, honestly.

Yeah, it's brutal.

Destroy you.

I had liver issues for years after.

Oh my God.

I just got it fixed like a year ago.

No kidding.

Well, I'm glad you got it fixed.

The liver is the only organ that regenerates.

I know.

I thought it could have been from alcohol too,

but I think it was mainly that.

Yeah.

They had to test your blood every month

just to make sure you weren't dying.

That's crazy.

No, I mean, genuinely, if you get pregnant

and you're on Accutane,

your baby will likely have deformities and abnormalities.

And so that's the precaution that dermatologists take.

That's why they put girls on birth control

because they need to prevent pregnancy at all costs.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Why?

Well, Lily, where could people pre-order your book

and keep up with you on social media?

Yeah, well, we haven't had a date yet for the book.

Oh, let me show you the cover.

Oh, yeah, show me the cover.

Yeah, my genuine reaction to this cover.

Covers are important.

It's such a meme.

Are you ready?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Did you make this with AI?

This is actually really good.

Designed it.

This is going to stop people.

What are these tattoos about?

Okay.

I don't want to spoil too much.

No, no, no, no.

This is great.

Love it.

Yeah.

It'll be eye catching.

I want people to see it and then not be able to unsee it.

Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to.

If I see that image, like you're going to know.

I'll look now.

I'll think about you now.

Yeah.

So that's smart.

We can find me on Instagram.

It's Lily Kate.

L-I-L-Y-K-A-T-E.

The proper way to spell Lily.

And be looking out for more to come next time you see her, she'll be debating a feminist

on my show.

Love it.

Thank you so much.

This is awesome.

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