Miikka Muurinen NBA Draft Scouting Report: Arkansas' Wild Card 7-Footer

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1:00Your team every day. Mika Murinin is one of the wildest prospects in the country. Let's lock in and find out why. You are a Lockdown NBA draft with no ceilings. Your daily podcast on the future stars of the NBA. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Your team every day. Welcome back to Lockdown NBA draft with no ceilings. My name is Albert Gim and I'm joined as always by my co-host PhD in the pick and roll and long island style pizza. We've got Corey Telaba in the house and today we've got a spicy one. We're breaking down a player who's going to be playing in Arkansas. I'm not even going to beat around the bush. I think he's one of the toughest e-vals in the country. A player that Corey and I have been able to see in person at the Nike Hoops summit.

2:01There's a lot of talk and buzz around this player as well. A lot of expectation, a lot of excitement, but also there being some real question marks about what this all is going to look like on the college basketball level. With that being said, Corey, if we can, first off, welcome, great to see you. But also if you can give us some of the essentials on Mika Mournin. Yes, sir. As you mentioned, he is headed to Arkansas last year he played for partisan overseas. Also a member has played for the Finnish national team as well. He will be 20.3 years old on draft night. If he indeed comes out this year, he would, I would say, more of a center, but I guess has kind of the fluidity to be maybe like a swing big, but he's listed at 7 foot 215 on Arkansas's website. Our friends at Sir Rebro have tracked 59 games that Mournin has played in where he averaged

3:068.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.8 steals and blocks on a 46.4 true shooting percentage and a 0.6 assists to turnover ratio. He is a five star prospect. And as you mentioned, somebody who I think is going to be very contentious and potentially a difficult evaluation because the athleticism and some of the raw skills are just incredibly apparent as you watch him. But I think there's enough to dive into with the game itself that we don't even really need to discuss any of the character stuff that people might want to talk about, which you know, I might be overblown, maybe it's not, I don't know, but I think there's enough in his game that makes it a difficult enough e-value before you get into any of that stuff.

4:09It's super super intriguing physical profile and skill set. Wow, a very political intro from our very own Corey Telva. Corey, I think the point that you're trying to get to it and that you mentioned the fact that he will be contentious. I want to be clear, both of us are saying that and you I love how you framed it. The contentious aspect of his e-value is not going to be rooted predominantly in whatever conceived personality or off the court, whatever. That's not even going to be a big part of that calculus. The real issue is he's an extra and I said in my cold open, he's a wild player. There's a lot of stuff here that is wild, that is raw, that is unrefined, that leaves you for me personally when I went through his film and this was like my second or third time doing it.

5:10Just left me scratching my head and you mentioned earlier that he's a guy that's played for the Finnish national team to add a little bit more context. His father played for Arkansas Little Rock, his mom played for UNC. They both had long international careers, both played for their national team and I'm just like he comes from a bloodline where his mom and dad were very, very good successful basketball players from what I've read online and what I've seen in videos. His mom was heavily invested in his coaching early on, really helped him learn the game, all this stuff. No disrespect to his parents, I'm not blaming them for this, but considering the bloodlines and the coaching that he's received, I think it left me confused as to all the rough edges with his game and some of the things that left me wanting a little bit more and whether that's, we'll get into the nitty gritty now, but when we're talking about his offense because that's our first segment here, there is a lot that if you just watch

6:14a highlight reel gets you going, whoa, right? First off the fact that he's a seven footer, but some of his movement patterns are really electric. For a guy his size, some of the bendability, flexibility, fluidity, coordination with how he's moving even in tight spaces, it's like, whoa, this looks kind of like a wing at times with how he can move. There's real deal athleticism with him as well. So all that looks great. If you look at some of his jumpers on his highlight reel, it's like, okay, catch a shoot in the corner, looks fluid, looks good. The problem is for me, when I got into like the deep, deep dive and I'm watching like full games and I'm watching stuff, I'm like, there are a lot of really messy possessions with him on tape, a lot of ball security issues, a lot of decision making issues with him making some wild choices and some wild moments. I thought even as a screener offensively at times, it left me really wanting a lot more.

7:16I thought some of his screens were like not even half screens. Like some of it really bothered me. I thought some of the focus with him at times kind of came and went. Some of the effort at times came and went and when it comes to that, it, and what I wrote on my notes here is unfortunately, sometimes it looked like he was floating. I would go through long stretches of watching his film where I'm like, I know he's out on the floor, but he's not doing a ton here. So that bothered me as well. So I'll pump the brakes here because I know you're going to have some stuff too. So Corey, if you can, share with us some of your thoughts on Mika as an offensive player. Yeah, I mean, I'll just run through some of the skill stuff. I mean, at his jumper, he's never had success with. He's a career 25.4% 3 point shooter, perserero's database. And that's on a 59 game sample. There's also like a 50.9% free throw shooter. So you look at those indicators and you're like, this is probably a non shooter, but then

8:17you watch him shoot. And the form is like unbelievably clean. It's a pretty jump shot. Looks very natural to me, balanced, but like slightly narrow base, which is I think is due to his narrow frame in general. That's good elevation has a high release smooth follow through. Like there's good synergy from like the knee bend all the way through the upper body release. It's hard to get a clean contest on him. I think he's got some range. He's confident with it. It just doesn't go in. Sometimes the misses are like pretty ugly to the point you're like, hey, he might, this might be a situation. And I'm blanking right now. Oh, on like, it might be like a major league to situation where it's like. I do need glasses or something, you know, like, because it looks too pretty to go in, which kind of it might go into the details of what you're saying in that he is like the

9:21walking embodiment of like a million dollar move, 10 cent finish guy. Like that is like his game in general. Now with that said, like, I don't think from the games that I've, I've watched. He doesn't necessarily look to do too much. Sure. Necessarily. There are times where he bites off more than he can true. Chew, I think when he drives from the perimeter, because he is fluid and he can kind of get by you with his first step. He just doesn't understand where the help is going to rotate from and how to leverage that. And, and, you know, he also doesn't have the strength to go through somebody's chest. So like his finishing can look a little wonky when he's like doing stuff off the mounts. But he doesn't do a ton of that. Even when I went back and watched like AZ Compass games, there's not as much of that as, you know, you might think because I don't really think his handle is all that strong. He can dribble in a straight line or, you know, he can pick a pass off and dribble length

10:22of the quarter or whatever. But like ultimately he's that's not his, his game, not a ton of self creation. Much more suited to be a play finisher, pick and pop, dive to the rim, freak vertical explosion for a seven footer. And he finnit, despite the fact he's listed at 215 on Arkansas's website, he goes up with a ferocious amount of power when he's trying to finish cock it back. Like he gets up off the floor really quick. So like, you know, you have put back dunks. Like when we were at the hoop summit, he had a bunch of put back dunks in that game in particular. But he's also like, you're not going to give him the ball in the post. You know, he doesn't really have post moves. He doesn't have the strength to kind of like own his space. And the passing is like, he's a play finisher. You know, like you look at the passing and it's like negative assist turnover and it's

11:25like, all right, whatever. Like, he's not really, it's not really coming off of playmaking decisions. He's also not like a quick like ball mover who's going to make like quick point fight. He just like, he's a play finisher. I don't necessarily even think he's killing the flow of the offense. It's just like when he gets the ball, the ball should either go up from the perimeter or he's dunking it off like a dump off or a cut. I think his his game is simplified enough that like you can put him into an offense and be like, this is how we're going to use him. I think Cal is going to do a good job at Arkansas of giving putting him in position to succeed and taking on the role that Trevon Brazil, who struggled with a lot of the same stuff and develop that over his career. And if if Mika has the same patience, I think can develop under those circumstances. If he tries to rush this process, I don't anticipate that he should be a one and done.

12:26But he might be because you can't find seven footers with his kind of athleticism and I think potential to shoot. But ultimately, I think he looks like he's thinking on the court. He looks like a kid who's never really put in the time to practice. He just he looks like the kid who just shows up to LA fitness and is like really naturally gifted. But has never really worked on honing his craft. Because he's seven foot and tall and athletic, he's probably never really had to. But at the same time, it's like you mentioned parents played. He's playing with the Finnish national team at 17 years old. He's playing with partisan go through that roster. It's a murderous row of XMBA players. So it's like. I mean. I don't know. It's hard. There's probably some stuff between the ears. But.

13:28And I think we saw that in practices that we were at with him. But it's also like, I think his game is simple enough and he's got enough raw skill and talent to make it intriguing to somebody who believes that they can kind of get through to him. So we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Man, Corey Bravo, dude. I feel like you handled that really, really well. And what I mean by that is like, I think for me, I'm just going to be totally honest. Watching his film, watching him at Hoops, I'm at blah, blah, blah. I had some like really harsh critiques for him in my head and in my notes. And I think it is true. Like there is a, I'm just going to call it for what I think it is, right? I think there is a maturity thing that needs to kick into gear here a little bit. Because like you said, the framework for what he can be as a play finisher, um, could be really high end like him being seven foot with the athletic tools that he has, the

14:28idea of him, like you just tell him set good screens, pop, drive, right, rebound the ball, protect the rim. All of those tools are in there for him to be a very, very good NBA center and a very, very good NBA center with like unique gifts and tools as well. Where it's like, there's, you're interested with him because he's not just like this cookie cutter center. He's got all these other things where like you mentioned, like he's running in transition. He, you know, pulls a ball around his back. Does the slick, you know, footwork and finishes with a huge dunk. Like there's some weird and fun things and wrinkles to his game that makes him really enticing. Now can he put it all together? We'll be the ultimate question. It is like you said. And, and like I want to be clear, like I don't think he's a good basketball player. Right. Like he's not like he doesn't, you know, like he's just a raw ball of clay and it's going to be a beauty is in the eye of the beholder kind of thing with him.

15:30But I also understand why he would be enticing because he hasn't things that you can't teach. And the NBA is a league in which you're kind of looking for outlier guys who are going to be able to help you in weird situations. And you know, there might be a safety to an upper classman who, you know, is productive. But at the end of the day in, you know, game six of the NBA finals, they might not be able that there might be a steadier floor, but they might not be able to raise the ceiling and meet the moment in the same way as somebody who has this kind of raw talent. So it's like I completely understand that aspect of it. And I, you know, I don't even think like I'm even mincing words when I said, you know, giving that scout, those are what that's what I see on the tape. I think there's a lot of really interesting tools that are worth investing in. It's just like he might be a guy who it's going to be really important that he doesn't rush his process. And, and this is just where we're at today.

16:31He could look a lot more polished during the season and be really comfortable in his role and maybe having played in partisan may allows him to kind of thrive in this off-ball, play, finisher environment playing off of, you know, a lot of high level athleticism and talent and the system is really good for him. And you know, we'll see on that. But yeah, I just think like he's right now, he's got a lot of growing to do. He's a basketball player because I just don't think he knows how to play basketball yet. And if he was 18, I think it would be less of an issue if he was going to be 18 on draft night, it's going to be 20 on draft night. So it's like he does have a lot of catching up to do before the allure of the physical gifts and the raw skills kind of go away. Yeah, I think 100% 100%. And this is actually isn't even going to be my comp later, but it does remind me a little bit, a little bit of a guy like Mitchell Robinson, where when Mitch came in, he didn't have

17:32the college experience. He was super raw, very athletic, and he needed a couple of years in the NBA to really figure things out. And it wasn't always the easiest, like me speaking, has a lifelong Nick Fan. There are a couple seasons where sometimes we worried about like the maturity, we worried about some of the, some of like the growing pains of him being a young center and like having to go through all that. And with Mika, it might be a similar thing, but a point that you made earlier that I really like is that maybe he ended up in the perfect scenario though, in the perfect situation going to Arkansas, playing for Cal, Cal being a proven guy in terms of, you know, developing guys for the league and preparing them for the league. And maybe Mika is like his next harder, more difficult project, and he figures it all out. Like there's a real world where it happens. And the reason why, you know, we're having a longer conversation about this is because as you mentioned, he has all the gifts and tools. And he's got all the stuff you're looking for. It's just, can he put it all together is the ultimate question.

18:33And I'm going to say that I think there's still a lot of potential there and for it to all happen. And I'm sure a lot of NBA teams can feel that way too. And another interesting thing, you mentioned the one and done thing. It could also be a blessing if he does go one and done and then ends up going in like the 20s to like a really, really good organization with a lot of veterans and a good team. And then they bring him along slowly. And then he has the opportunity to grow up. I don't know. There's a lot there, but clearly a talented player, but also clearly needs a ton of work and refining. And with that being said, we're going to talk about his defensive work as well right after the break. Support for today's episode comes from square. This has been powering so many of the places we already know and love, whether you're running a packed game day spot, a local restaurant or growing business, Square gives sellers a tools to run their business without making things more complicated. Square brings payments, inventory, payroll, invoices, customer insights, and more together

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21:38And for me, one of the pluses I felt with him is I think there is something very instinctual and natural about how the way he plays the passing lanes. He reads them well, I think he reacts well. There's something there with him where almost like he's playing football. He's got some pretty good instincts there. And I think the athleticism and of course the length that he has makes it beneficial for him in doing that. What I would like to see more from him on this end is I wish for all the bluster and for all the confidence that he plays with. I thought I hope I wish he could be a little bit more physical on this end. Same as the offensive side as well to be honest. I wish that he was a little bit more impactful as a rebounder to some of the rim protection stuff. Wasn't the prettiest to see. I'd like to see him be better about that.

22:39Although sometimes in transition, I like some of the effort booking it down court for some chase down blocks. Some of that was good and interesting to see. But overall on this side of the ball, I also see a lot of room for refinement, a lot of room for tightening things. Even off ball, you catch him, ball watching a little bit and being out of position, not really reading the floor well. There's some stuff with that. I don't want this to feel like I'm just bashing on him, but I have to call it for what I see. And yeah, sometimes off ball, he just kind of gets lost. And I didn't love seeing that as well. But I'll pump the break there and hand it over to you, Corey, to share some of your thoughts on his defense. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to echo a lot of the same sentiments. I think he covers a ton of ground off ball. He can recover out and get at least a hand up in a contest. But his clothes out are sloppy. So it's like you have the positive that he covers a ton of ground and is fluid enough to get out and recover. But like, he doesn't read the situation's quick enough to really like put himself in a position

23:42where he's not like fly by contesting. Also leaves his feet a ton, very overzealous and jumpy. Like looking for, you know, the highlight block, instead of like staying solid and just using his length and being tall and his standing reach. So you throw a pump fake his way. He's up in the air. He's either in out on the perimeter of whatever it is. And that breaks down the offense and it's going to cause a ton of rotation and advantage five on four scenarios for the other team where they can just zip the ball around. And, you know, so, you know, that's something he's got to really work on. I do think he's a really fluid mover. I think he could switch on the perimeter. I think he could flip his hips. He could stay with guys on drives. You know, he needs to get stronger for sure, but like length, athleticism to kind of recover. So I think that's really good. I watched one of the AZ Compass games where they played, um, christenic at link. Because it's like, all right, christenic was the first round pick this year.

24:44And was another guy that in college looked a little raw at times, right? And like, maybe this is a good matchup to focus on playing against the pier. And I thought he did a good job on him. I think he did a good job like bothering him with his mobility and his length, um, forced him into some tough shots. And, and I thought he really held his own defensively in that matchup. But ultimately with where he's at is very similar in a more structured environment to where he is offensively and he just doesn't know yet. And he always looks like he's thinking and it doesn't look like he's naturally making plays out there. It looks like he's always reacting to stuff instead of anticipating stuff. As far as like the rotations and that is only going to get more difficult as levels arise. And I think back even to when at one of the practices, I believe it, Bo Jackson, Jim on the Nike campus, they were working on full court presses and he was the last line of defense, guarding his hoop in the paint.

25:45And he when when the one of the scrimmage teams had, you know, they were split up into two scrimmage teams, the world teams and the team that was on offense broke the press and got into a two on one scenario with him. He didn't even know how to play a cat and mouse like dig at the ball, recover back to the open man. He just kind of let the ball go over his head. And it was like an uncontested finish with either no effort or no ability to read the situation. Neither one of those scenarios is good. And Miles Saddler thought it was an effort thing and he got up in his face and chewed him out. And kind of like dude, like what are you like are you here with us? And so it just seems like it's a real, he just has to learn the game and learn to lock in in a way that like most of his improvement to me isn't even come on like from him doing drills and work on the court. It's going to come down to like watching film and understanding the game of basketball

26:50at a more granular level than he currently understands it. 100%. Yeah, I, yes, yes, there is once again going to be a refinement period. He's got to learn a ton. I think the point that you made about the blocks like him chasing blocks is a really good one too. That's something. I saw a lot of honest film too that leaves you wanting more. The plus though that you mentioned like the way that he moves laterally is really good for his size. Like a guy like there's a real foundation there where if you could continue to work with him and tighten him up like the versatility that he could bring as a defender could be really, really interesting. And but for me, once again, like it does come back to obviously the refinement stuff, but also like he's got to get he's got to get stronger and he's got to play with a little bit more force for a guy who likes to scream and to be you know, oh, wow, then the court sometimes I do feel like he could play with a little bit more force on both ends of the

27:52floor to match that. Like you mentioned when he goes up for dunks, it's like really forceful and beautiful and like it's nasty. But then in other moments, we don't see that same type of aggression and force. So I like for him to be a little bit more consistent with that across the board. I think would be actually helpful to him. But yeah, on this end of the floor as well, there's a lot of room for growth. And I think when we think about how raw he is on offense and on defense, that's going to lead us to think of to be honest, a lot of guys. Like I actually have a pretty decent long list of comps, but we will get into those comps right after the break. More for today's episode comes from indeed sponsored jobs when workplace chaos hits you and you need the right hire. Indeed sponsored jobs helps connect employee employers with candidates who match specific needs like skills, certifications and location. So less time gets spent searching and more time gets spent finding the right fit.

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29:59about indeed on this podcast and D.com slash podcast terms and conditions apply need to hire. This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs. All right guys, we are back and we spent the last almost 30 minutes breaking down the game of mecha, Murn and a player that we get it. There's a lot to like a lot to be excited about a lot to kind of get you dreaming, but also there are real deal issues that he's got to work through and learn through and grow through to really hit a peak, hit a ceiling that would make him a really, really enticing NBA center. But with that in mind, we've got some comps to help you guys frame and think about the type of pro that he can be. So Corey, if you can hit us with some of your comps. For the first time, I had a maybe ever I had a really hard time and I have one comp. Wow. Okay.

30:59Okay. And my comp is a middle school kids 2K my player before any VC skill upgrades were added. So when he's like a 52 overall like a 52 overall, but like it's like a 12 year old kid who was like, I want to make a 7 foot one kid who's like insanely athletic and like is going to shoot 3 is but like don't they don't have the 3 point. They don't have the VC to add like the actual VC to his 3 point shot, but they do have like a they picked a really cool jumper form. So like it looks cool. So they didn't go in that much and they spent it all on his athleticism and his height. I haven't played 2K in like 5 years. So I'm I could be outdated. But that's kind of and they spent the rest of the money on his sleeve tattoo. The rest of his VC on his sleeve tattoo instead of putting it to his skills.

32:02So that's my comp. Yeah. I mean, someone turned on the Tik Tok camera. That's it. That was the best comp ever. That you've ever done that we've ever done. It's over. Yeah. Kenny Smith. It's over. It's done. Okay. Now I don't even know what to say after that. That's perfect. Well, I struggled. So you know, you said you had quite a view. So I'm interested in here. I mean, there are definitely some that I was like, oh, if we're doing prospect chemistry, it's like he's probably going to get some poor Zingas shouts. You know, maybe some Jalen Smith, Mombamba. I don't know who else. Those are good ones. Interestingly enough, I didn't think of any of those guys for my comp. So thankful for that. I'm going to give you four names. And it's going to be some Hodgepodge mix of these four names, but like, there's some real stuff to these four names is how I'm feeling right now. Number one on my list is Javelle McGee.

33:04Okay. So that's my Javelle. Leave that there. Another name that came to mind for me, Marquis Chris. Okay. If you think about Marquis, obviously Chris a little bit smaller. Marquis Chris was like six, nine, six, ten, but coming out of Washington, you know, there's some interesting athletic tools with him. Blah blah blah. Another guy, Josh Smith. Atlanta Hawks, Josh Smith. Just, you know, there's some stuff there. Leave it there. The last guy, Thonmaker. Yeah, I'm just thinking all of these guys had NBA teams dreaming about their skill set, their ability, athletic ability or skill, like with a Thonmaker, the idea of like, oh, maybe he can shoot it. Maybe he can handle it a little bit. You know, he's tall. He's interesting. Josh Smith with his electric athleticism and shop blocking, blah, blah, blah.

34:04Marquis Chris Javelle. All four of these guys had enticing skills, enticing tools and enticing foundation to build upon. They all developed in different ways. Javelle McGee eventually, you know, Javelle McGee NBA champion, right? Yeah. So multiple, multiple long NBA career, Javelle McGee, very, very long NBA career. So he deserves credit for that. McGeele, Josh Smith played on some good playoff teams, both the Hawks and Marquis. With Mika's Josh Smith or Javelle McGee, that's a big win for his career. Maybe not sign me up, but that's a big win for his career. Maybe not sign me up. But that's kind of the realm and what I'm thinking. And for some of our listeners, you might feel like, man, you guys are being really harsh on him. All we can do is react to what we're seeing. And we're not reacting to public perception. We're not reacting to how other people frame him.

35:05This is just how I see him. And if he can be better than these four guys, I want that for him. And I think he's got the tool set, skill set, bloodlines to do it 100%. But there's a real mountain and a hill for him to climb for him to get there. And because of where he's at currently in his development, these were the four guys that came to mind. And that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, I hope that our next pod is where we're like able to look back on this one and be like, man, we, he developed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I hope so too. But with that being said, guys, thank you so much for rocking ones. We know it's the off season, but we're trying our best to continue to pump out good content to keep you guys entertained and informed is a big one for us. We want to get you guys ready for the upcoming season. So we'll be back next week with another scout, another player that we want you to keep your eyes on. Until that time, my name's Albert. He's Corey. Talk to you guys soon. Thank you for making locked on your first listen every day.

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