Mike Lombardi resigns as GM of UNC | Is Bill getting fired after this season? | Gary Washburn joins the guys via phone - 9/4 (Hour 3)

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1:01He resigned yesterday as we are a toucher and harder. You can watch us on YouTube, subscribe to 985, the sports up on YouTube. Mike Lombardi who is a fool and in arrogant idiot, with worse kind of idiot with a great arrogance in hubris. I know way more about this. Yeah, that's his big thing and in a yelled at Felger and Maz about how dumb they were and how. Oh my goodness. And Belicech would never talk. Why would Belicech talk to you guys and da da da da da da. He's there's a program smart enough. Yeah, that's really don't know who Bill Belicech is. Yeah, you don't know who he is. He's the best. And Mike Lombardi, as I've made this point many times, spent 15 or 20 years running around taking any crumb that he could, just kissing Belicech's ass and it all paid off with a three year, $1.5 million a year deal, a highest paid GM in college football at the point I made the time. I'm like, well, he didn't make any money for 15 or 20 years, but, but you know, he got $1.5 million.

2:03Well, congratulations. I'm guessing he made $2 million and now he doesn't have a job and he ran around for 15 or 20 years to make $2 million. And just that was what his relationship to Bill Belicechek paid off. He got after 20, 20, 25 years of kissing his ass, he's got in a check for $2 million. Well, well, ensuring he will not receive another job. And I don't know what media company would hire him. I don't know why you would have him on his guest anymore. You could hire him as a writer. I have to think about what I want to write about. And I hope other people enjoy this too. Like just it's like a movie. Like when the villain, like the real arrogant, stupid dick, gets his comeuppance, like, and you knew it was going to happen. You knew it. He's so dumb and so arrogant that this was going to happen. And this was a rich hunt and why are they not?

3:06They would have fired him by now and, oh, they're not going to fire you. You're going to resign because if you don't resign, then we will fire you for cause. And then we will tell everyone what the cause of firing you was. Do you want that? No, I will resign. Good. Now get out of here. You idiot with the 33rd NFL team with nobody drafted off of it last year. But here is a news report. Don't leave it to me. A John just put this in Slack and put holy s. Yeah. It was spectacular and surprising. And it was funny because when I first read it, I thought, Michael and Marty resigned. And I'm like, oh, no, resign. Yeah. Okay. Yes. All right. So this is, I believe from WRAL in North Carolina. All right. So here is WRAL their story on what's going on with the North Carolina football program. We have team coverage of the latest Tar Heel turmoil. We begin with Sean Gallagher with the Lombardi announcement that came just hours after WRL reached out to school officials regarding the new revelations of Bounty investigation.

4:09The news tonight. Yeah, this literally just broke. GM Michael and Marty from University of North Carolina has resigned. It comes after weeks of digging by WRL reporters Pat Welter and Brian Murphy. And moments before breaking another story about the football program. As we have learned that UNC's internal investigation expanded beyond just Michael and Marty. WRL has learned outside lawyers hired by UNC to investigate its football program. Our question in current and former players, parents and staff members. People familiar with the investigations say those questions revolve around allegations of sex, drugs and the overall culture within the UNC football program with a spotlight on Michael and Marty and now defensive coordinator Steve Belicek. First, the coaches son. I just want to let everyone know that my son Steve is on medical leave. Steve Belicek went on medical leave August 6th. He remains on leave and sources tell WRL attorneys are questioning people about whether Steve Belicek used illegal drugs or provided them to at least one player on the football team.

5:12Separately attorneys are also asking if at least one female recruiting staff member had a sexual relationship with at least one UNC player. Our sources are telling us and if assistant coaches had similar relationships with UNC staff, they say UNC policies prohibit staff members from evaluating or supervising any student or employee they've had a romantic relationship with. WRL sports reporter Brian Murphy explains at this point, these are just questions being asked by UNC's hired investigators to people close to the football program. We don't have reporting necessarily that indicates that these things happened. But what we are reporting is that investigators are asking if these things happen. To me, it means that the investigation has expanded. UNC says its investigation is ongoing. So it remains to be seen if the Lombardi departure is just the first domino to fall. Sean Gallagher, WRL News. Okay. So say it's LSU and there your defensive coordinator allegedly was doing drugs in the building and giving drugs to at least one player.

6:14Your recruiting staff, female recruiting staff were having sex with players in assistant coaches were having sex with recruiting staff. Say it was LSU, which is a clown show. Everyone's fired. Now say it's a Michigan, a Stanford. This is what UNC puts themselves up to be. And I know Michigan's had a bunch of scandals, but they fired everyone. Like so they've had to fire everybody. Yeah. Fire and fire and fire. UNC, whoa, way worse than anything that I ever thought was going to happen. And in the charges on Lombardi and the things he must have done in the illegal crap he must have been involved in is got to be like super bad. Because you know that guy would have just hung on and hung on and hung on and fought and fought and fought. He'd like paid some like high price lawyer to like represent him with his big $2 million. That he had probably used about $200,000 of that to pay the money. Five seconds before the story came out, which he would have been sucked into.

7:18Right. And you know, by him resigning, because again, if they fire him for cause, they have to tell if they're a public company, I mean, not a public company. They're a state run company. They're funded by tax dollars partially. So they would have to release just like Jordan once all the emails from inside. That's because it's a public university and they have to release those emails. So they would have to say why Lombardi did not want that. He did not want anyone to know why he was going to be fired for cause. So he resigned. So Lord knows what he was up to and what rules he broke. But the allegations that they're saying are being investigated by Steve Bellachick is obviously it appears that he has a drug problem. Like I mean, I don't think that that's, I mean, that's what it appears to be. And so that's, you know, but you know, a lot of people have drug problems and, you know, they got to go away and they got to get right and then they come back and hopefully they're better than ever. And you go from there already and I obviously can sympathize with someone with an alcohol and drug problem.

8:21Doesn't make you terrible person. And I have a lot of sympathy for Brian Bellachick and Steve Bellachick because obviously something's going on in that family that it's like real weird and like not so healthy and, you know, he left a job at Oregon where he was making his own way to, or Washington where he was making his own ways defensive coordinator to come back and work with his dad. I don't know what the deal with all that stuff is. I know they paid him a lot of money, but he's a young guy. He's 39 years old. I mean, you could make your own way. So I do have sympathy for them, but there's allegations that he did drugs on premise, on premises of UNC, which I'm sure is he's not the first one to take in. Fedamines as a coach when you have to work 12 hours a day, 15 hours a day, but did he give them to a player? Now with your recruiting staff, this probably reflects poorly and lumbarity. This is a Johnny B good, such. Yes. If you recall the movie Johnny B good.

9:21Oh, yeah. Yes. This is a, you know, come out to the Anthony Michael Hall. Right. And so it's one thing if the young co-eds are going to a party at the, you know, housing of the football team and, you know, willingly having sex with the good looking 18 year old boys, but the, it's another thing when the recruiting staff in quotations is having sex with numerous members of the coaching staff and, students. Yeah. And, and as the general manager of this program, this 33rd NFL team, Michael and Barney is supposed to be overseen all this, making sure that, you know, none of that hanky, pankey is taking place. And I'm sure he hated it. I'm sure that he was like really putting his foot down over these matters and that he wouldn't be at all aware of what was going on or linked to it as all at all. I think Belichick had win the national champion this ship this year and get fired.

10:25I, I, I just, he's getting fired. There's no way Bill Belichick is not getting fired from the University of North Carolina. None. And I think you'll, he has one year left on his deal after this, maybe. Oh, yeah. That, they'll gladly pay that year and have him gone. I mean, this is such a disaster. And it's just, maybe it's because you're out of the bubble of the NFL. Where like everything can be, you know, glossed over and, I mean, just look at Aaron Hernandez, like all the warning signs and all the stuff that he had done. And all the stuff that was ignored about him and just all the cheating and all that. And it's at a much lesser level, but like all the cheating and stuff that I just think you can get away with so much more in the NFL, because it's not a public university. It's not like funded by tax dollars and there's not this illusion that you have to be above board. Because after all, North Carolina wants to be perceived as a Michigan, as a Stanford, like a elite

11:29university with this high mold outside the Ivy League, but you know, in that echelon. Right. Exactly. Like University of Chicago, like something like that. They want to be like that level Northwestern. They want to be like that kind of school. And you cannot have this. This gets you fired at LSU and LSU again is a circus. And with guys getting one on the Wonderlicks coming out, like guys that are illiterate, like graduating or going to school there for numerous years. This is North Carolina. They can't, if I was an alumni of North Carolina or a booster of North Carolina, I don't even care how you do any more at football. Get out of there. Get this, get this whole situation off the books. Yeah. And who's at the top of it, who started all this, who brought these people in? Bella check. Get rid of them. Oh, yeah. It's Bella checks kid in his hand picked GM. Yeah. I mean, you can't have, this is all under his circle is pretty small.

12:30You cannot have the head of that circle with guys he hand picked, including relatives running around doing this stuff. Oh no, big trouble. Yes. I looked up the terms of the contract as you were just talking about it. It's a five year, $50 million contract, but only the first three years are guaranteed. So what you were saying is true. They got one more year to pay off, which they will gladly do. Gladly to get him out of there. I mean, it's North Carolina. Oh, North Carolina look any better over the last two years than they did when they hired him. I mean, he's got a, he almost has to quit. Oh, he won't, he'll never quit. Not a chance in hell. Okay. What if he quits and then the like microscope gets off of him? No, no, it's, it's, it's, Bella check won't quit. His pride, regardless of how it looks, we'll keep him from doing this. He's just like a bad guy. He's just a bad guy. He's not a good person. I mean, I mean, his kid, it's not his responsibility.

13:32What is the one thing that you have in his favor is that, okay, he may not be the friendliest dude and he may not even be the best coach unless he's got the best players, but he runs a great program. And you know, everyone is in line and they're all, you know, doing what they're supposed to from the staff to the players and everything else. Well, when that starts to fall apart, or maybe it's never, maybe it's never been a thing. Maybe it's all been a mirage because you brought up Aaron Hernandez, you know, on the tight ship that Bella check ran and everything. Well, you had the worst cases of a player going off the rails under your watch. So maybe that was never the case, but if that's the one thing you have going for you, is that you run a tight ship, well, you don't have that anymore. So you have nothing. Right. And that's my kind of point is like, how would you want to be remembered? Would you remember as a successful coach, who was like a, like a good man or like a, like a quality person or the greatest coach of all time,

14:35that's like a cheating, lying, yeah, morally dubious piece of crap. And that's what he is. He's going to get fired from this job. A hundred percent. There's no way. There's no incentive for North Carolina to keep them. They can't. I mean, they put up with, you can see putting up with the Jordan Hudson stuff, because that's his personal life and like sure it's embarrassing and we don't like this. But like we spent a lot of money on him and it would be even more embarrassing to fire him. Now you're like, okay, you got to go. It's seriously. This is a colleague. What's going on under him? Oh no, it's really bad. This is almost as bad as it gets short of an air in her name. This situation. Oh no, it's bad. Oh no, no, no, it's bad. Like it's going to go way past Belichick. Like when Belichick is fired or resigns or whatever he ends up doing, you want to play more hacky sack back there? Are there intern? Why don't you take a seat? Just throw our own our own edification. Yeah, you're when you're in the field of vision, we're in that stupid Taco Bell T shirt. Yeah, I know you're really. Yeah, you're like really hacky sack.

15:36Yeah, it's just like I, I, I, I, I, I, I'd rather the lead singer, the spin doctor is back there, gyrating. She's looking you. If you don't know, the intern is back there like, well, Nick is working like launching a ball off the wall behind Nick. Like just, I know it's boring, but if you could just say, just fake it, fake being interested. It's not. It's just for a moment. Just sit there. Yes, just for a moment. We should tell you commercial, a lot of nervous energy. I know you're nine and that it's hard to keep all that energy. Holy crap. I mean, my kids can sit here and look at their phone. All right, look, anyway, yes, in the Mexican milkshake. Look, he's going to get fired unless he resigns. And this is going to cost them like, like a lot of NCAA penalties. They're going to get screwed. This isn't going away. And by the way, this is all an internalist investigation right now. This is just UNC investigating itself. The NCAA hasn't got involved it. Whatever, whatever. And remember when we had Wetzelon and he was like, don't worry about like what that NIL organization is doing.

16:42That's like new to the NCAA because you can do whatever you want with NIL. Apparently they're pretty hot on them too. Like they're not giving up. Like they're still really investigating this. And enough is going on to make that moron buffoon resign. So he's resigning to protect himself to protect Bella check. But that's not enough. I mean, you're talking about like, like you never, you're just talking about like documentaries. You're talking about university of Miami in the 80s. You're talking about sex and drugs in all Saudi Arabian money. Like you're talking about like good. Like a six part documentary on this program. I mean, it's a joke. What the hell is going on with this guy? It's only 14 months into it too. That's amazing. You know, you just predict things like Bella check is like real arrogant. And maybe he's not even that smart. Like he's just like has been around football a lot. Like he struggles in like a lot of other aspects and like that aren't football.

17:46And now he can't be protected because now the university has to think about itself. It's not just the football team. It's a whole thing that's existed for hundreds of years before this. Like they have to, they have to have an semblance of order at this place. There are, you can't just run around at a college having players doing drugs with other coaches and players having sex with staff members. And you can't have Carl snake is dangerous. My God. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. What a what a ridiculous, ridiculous situation. I mean, Mel Tucker at Michigan State got fired and it was a huge embarrassment for the university and it sent him back like years. And Mel Tucker got caught, pleasureing himself on a phone call on a phone call with a girl that had come in to speak to the team about about it was really stupid. Yeah. Yeah. She was in there on giving, giving a speech about a hand, how to hand yourself sexually

18:50and not to, you know, get into the, it was like a sexual assault seminar. Right. And then Mel Tucker, like a genius, beg pick that girl is the one that he was going to try to have phone sex with. Yeah. So that's really dumb. He gets fired, understood. This is a thousand times worse, a million times worse. It involves students in coaches and drugs and sex. There are a million times worse than what Mel Tucker did. Mel Tucker was an idiot in his judgment was completely, completely off. But my God, I like when you think something bad is going to happen. Something a thousand times worse happens. It's really a pleasure. It makes you just trust your instincts. All right. So look forward to this as the season goes on. We'll have to during the Patriot season when we have to carve out some time. They don't play this weekend. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. North Carolina, their next game is a week from Saturday. I don't think it matters if they win every game.

19:51Yeah. I don't think it matters at all. I don't think it helps him at all in any way with the public, with his legacy, anything. I mean, come on. I mean, they got a firearm and they got a firearm soon. So look in the next, look this season for him to be fired. Maybe before their next game. Oh, I'm telling you. All right. Well, it's eight days from now. How can you protect him? He can't bombard you in there. It's his son. It's all all his hand picked people his way of doing things. Yeah. Yeah. You can't know. He's the guy he put in charge. He will not resign. No, Fred. No chance. Well, then that's stupid because when he gets fired, that means that they have to fire and for cause, then they're going to say everything that they fired him for. So congratulations. And they'll willingly give the information up. Oh, sure. Because they'll be pissed too. That they had to fire him. All right. We'll be back with Gary Washburn. We can talk about another scandal. What's going on with the LA Clippers Gary covers the whole NBA.

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22:59limited by state law. Like you fret, I'm not worried. Adam Silver has brought down the hammer on the Los Angeles clippers after deciding that the clippers conducted salary cap search convention on co-wide Leonard. They're stripping the clippers of five first round draft picks. They find the clippers $30 million and they've issued suspension for Steve Balmer. Ryan gave me the Cedric Maxwell. Oh, the Cedric Maxwell sponsor. He's lucky that I'm a professional ninja's real. That's not who this guy next guy. That's like two scrubs inside of five minutes. I mean, one of was technical. Well, beaten still riding high off that UMass football win. He can't really concentrate today. I mean, what a win that was. I mean, the mighty Rutgers. I know you guys are all watching too. Oh, absolutely. It was keeping an eye on it.

24:01Well, I'm sure the fever on campus when you were there yesterday. Just amazing. We kept thinking we were here in the marching band practicing, but a they probably would have been at the game or on their way to it. And B, it was just the sound of the wheels on the moving cards going, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. I'd rather much rather go to UMass than Rutgers. I can tell you that. Amen to that. That's true. Yeah. Rutgers commuter school in New Jersey. I much rather much rather go to UMass than I would to Rutgers. All right. Gary Washburn went to Rutgers now. Gary Washburn. He covers the NBA and of course, the Celtics for the Boston Globe. He's going to join us to talk about what's going on with the Los Angeles Clippers, which came out of the Pobletory, our friend, very difficult to get on the air now, our friend Pobletory. Gary, hello, sir. Hey, guys, how's it going? You didn't go to Rutgers, did you? I didn't, it just insult you by accident. I did not know.

25:02Okay, very good. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Just kind of describe what the Clippers did. Like what is the crime that they are being punished for? Basically, they set up with companies, endorsement opportunities for co-wide-learned, with the promise that the company could also do business with the Clippers. They kind of circumcised it. They basically figured out ways to co-wide and make other revenue streams outside of this NBA contract. And obviously, all these guys have endorsement deals, but the team was kind of serving as his agent in terms of getting him deals in order to entice him to sign contracts. So it was like, yeah, you'll sign this basic dollar amount that will go on our cap, but

26:02then we'll also set you up with these to make another 45 million a year or 25 million a year for these endorsements. And the promise for the company's encouragement, the incentive was the companies will also do business with the Clippers. So it was just kind of a hustle. Now the question is, the Clippers side is, well, other teams do it too. So is that going to be the next kind of move on this is the Clippers side to go legal on this and start saying everybody does it. We're not alone because at this point, they seem like Steve Baumer is not going to take this sitting down. He's a multi-billionaire. There's going to be some uglyness that comes from this that could reflect on the NBA. Do you think that many other teams are doing this? Does this seem like this is kind of somewhat common in the NBA? I don't know if there's, I don't know if a team is doing it so blatantly as the Clippers.

27:05I just think this is the deal that the Uncle Dennis Robertson, Kawaii is kind of agent until about a week ago, kind of negotiated with him to sign with the Clippers because he wanted perks when he was a free agent, 19 after winning the title with the Raptors. He wanted to be on the Lakers' private plane. He had all these conditions for signing with his next team and his stock was never as high. He had led the Raptors to a title. He was apparently healthy after some injury troubles obviously. We know that wasn't the case. He was injury riddled in LA. But seven years ago, he was the top free agent on the market and these are some conditions he wanted. A max deal wasn't going to be enough. It was going to be the other revenue streams. As we know, Kawaii is not the most vocal guy. Him finding marketing opportunities is a little bit difficult because he doesn't talk.

28:07It's new balance, but there were other companies, he's a main spokesperson for new balance. These were other companies that did business also with the Clippers starting as Pobletori found out. The action business, and that was fraudulent. It was just shady business deals and the Clippers basically serving his agent for him to get endorsement deals. He would stay there. I guess I'm not surprised, Gary, because you look at the contracts and everybody has access to those and you can look at it. Indorsement deals, who knows who cares? You don't really think about that. I guess it makes sense that they were trying to circumvent that way. I am a little surprised though that it happened with Balmer and not maybe one of these ownership groups that are comprised of investment guys and hedge fund guys and people who are used to doing things that are not so cut and dry. When Balmer or the other organization say, well, other people are doing it, is that who's

29:09out there doing it? Is it these group of investors who constitute one ownership group of a team? Do you think those are the teams that are out there doing more stuff like this? It seems like that's more in their world than it would be in Balmer's world. Yeah, I don't know if it's just exclusively for hedge funds. I think with Balmer in this situation, he was trying to make a splash. He wanted the Clippers, the Clippers are the stepchild of the Lakers in LA. They're just not, they'll never be the Lakers. Right? The Lakers who win, who win games and the Clippers will win 70. It's still never going to be a Clippers down. Ever. So, he's one working to build a new arena, which he did. He's trying to have his team stand out with a superstar, which he did with signing Kauai Leonard and an obviously making that horrific trade with Oklahoma City to get Paul

30:10George. He was trying to bring a championship and bring leverage and bring prestige to the Clippers that the Lakers have at that time. So, there was a sense of desperation. So I think it's kind of dealing with the devil in order to get Kauai there. Obviously, it didn't work out, blew up in his face. This is the repercussions of it. But I don't know if some of these hedge funds guys are dealing as intimately with players as the Clippers did in this situation. I don't think that teams are understanding now if they haven't gotten the message already. If you're doing this, get your hands off, if you better move forward and let your player determine his own endorsement deals and not deal in this kind of situation because this was a serious severe penalty. There seems more like the work of a guy who's personally invested in the success of the

31:12team. I think the problem with these ownership groups with all the private equity is maybe that they're not so interested in winning. But you mentioned the horrific trade for Paul George, which was part of the whole Kauai Leonard situation. You mentioned they gave up Shay Gilges Alexander as part of that. But when you go through everything they gave up, they gave up first round picks in 2021, 2022, 2023, a swap in 2023 as well, 2024, 2025, first round swap, Nae Los, first round picks in 26, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33. With first round picks being kind of the pieces that you move, it seems to even pick up veterans and let alone drafting players. Where is this put the Clippers? How long is this guarantee they'll be bad? And if so, when will they even have an opportunity to get any better?

32:14I mean, they're just to have to scout well, rely on second round picks, rely on their scouting department to try to scrounge up and talent to compete at this point because first round picks are like very coveted because of their ability to move it. We've seen with the Jalen Brown deal, the Celtics may be because it got them to first round picks. And in addition to Paul George, I mean, the Clippers now have no basic trade negotiating power. They have nothing, no access to throwing to any deal besides players. Like this is crippling for them. I don't know how they recover from this like in the short term, maybe in 10 years, but this is a terrible penalty when you take away draft picks. And now they're rebuilding, but if you're rebuilding your relying on lottery picks, you say, okay, we're going to struggle for a while, but we're going to bring in young talent

33:16to be the next superstars. Well, now all that's gone. Like you have their lottery pick this year that is going to be their last kind of guy, Maggler from Illinois that they were able to get. But this is it. Like they don't have anymore like negotiating power for trades. They're just a young team filled with a bunch of guys. Now they can go into free agency. But who's going to want to play for the Clippers? Who's going to want to be part of this organization? Like this is just a scarlet letter. This is just not good for the future of your franchise. And with losing all these first round picks, you have no negotiating power to make trades. Everything's player for play. Gary, and this is something I completely forgot. Now that Kauai Leonard is able to play, they're going to trade Kauai Leonard to Toronto. And I think the terms that I deal get them two first round picks back.

34:16So obviously it's crippling. Technically they're going to have at least two first round picks moving forward. I had completely forgotten about that until this morning, but they might be picks. They might be liable to be picks wise. I think they're legit two first round picks for Kauai Leonard. And I think Grady Dicks part of that and Brandon England. Yeah, I think I think that's the terms of the deal. But still crippling there in big trouble. But my question is Celtic related to you, Gary. They do have a pick swap with the clippers in 2028 as part of this jail and Brown deal. Do you think that particular first round pick will be good for the Celtics? Yeah, it should be. It should have at least obviously we're first round pick. They have the right to swap. If it's or they'll take the if it's 17 to 30 and then they have a right to swap of it 16 and higher. So the clippers should be very good. Now they still have a decent amount of talent like Brandy England,

35:17and Claire Grady Dicks didn't it didn't work out in Toronto. And talent, they're not just a terrible team. They're not a confus. You know, they're not a lottery team at this point. But they're in rebuild mode. There's the various girl and there's talent. But it's not good enough to compete in this NBA, especially with anti-tanking rules. Now, and essentially every team is trying to win. There's no more tanky. So the clippers struggle and that pick should be premium for the Celtics. If not to draft to use forage trade to try to get let's say, take them a second out number two guy for Jason Taylor, that kind of future guy that they can build with that can compete. All right. Well, Gary Washburn, great stuff. Thanks for giving us that information. Read Gary and all his NBA coverage. The Celtics start not too long from now, like a month from now.

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38:23Serving New England for 30 years, access security trust introsystems.com. No, I know, I know, I know, no, you don't know. Everyone agrees that I'm the only one who's not wrong. Bzzzzz. Write or wrong, they're back. Touch your heart, and you can hold this boy's up. So remove any thought you have of the band or the album. It doesn't really matter. It's just an exercise and age. So one of my favorite albums by, as banned by the descendants, it's called Milo Goes to College. Adam put this in Slack. It was released 44 years ago today. So it was released in 1982. Okay, so I was seven when that album came out. I obviously was unaware of it. I probably became aware of it like in 1989, 1988, 1989. Guess what year it was?

39:24You don't have to guess. 44 years before 1982. Oh, it was 1938. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Do you find yourself doing that exercise all the time? Yeah. Like, they'll show like, kiss. What was the album then? Was it Scott Chaplin and the Muscat Rambl? You know what? I'm going to Google. You guys talk for a second. I'm going to Google albums released in 1938. Okay, I don't even know if there were albums. You might just have to go songs. No, there was definitely audio recordings. I heard somebody making just that Fred. It's not good. Okay, not good. You looked up the, I can tell you the music releases. I'll find. Let me do it. Yeah. So here we go. You're obviously a fan of Robert Lockwood, Jr's presenting Robert Lockwood.

40:25Okay. Or Bruno Walter and Weiner Philbin. The Mueller Symphony number nine. Okay. How about Elephids Gerald, a Tiske to Taskid? I am. Elephids Gerald had an album in 1938. Yeah, remember Benny Goodman and his orchestra? How you used to dance around to that? Don't be that way. Don't sleep on a swing session. Very, very good album. Mike behind the mics favorite. The Andrew Sisters came out with a big record in 1938. The number two album. It's still packed in Mama, laid at pistol down. All right, you ready? The number two album in 1938, according to this AI response, I got it. I don't care if it's right. It's funny. The Walt Disney's Snow White and the Seven Door soundtrack. Well, that actually doesn't make me feel as bad as but my point is that was brand new. High-hole. That was brand new.

41:27People were buying that. That was cutting edge. That was top 40. Well, before top 40 but that was a big seller. There's really, I don't see any difference between that and the frozen soundtrack. I really don't. Okay, so okay. I can tell you this in 1938, everything was so and so in his orchestra. Yes. Chuck Webin' his orchestra. Very good. Larry Clinton in his orchestra. Tommy Dorisine in his orchestra. Yeah. Already Sean in his orchestra. Benny Goodman in his orchestra. Ragtime in this kind of nonsense. Real crap. Well, Duke Ellington was around and people still seem to appreciate him. It's like 15 years before Frank Sinatra recorded an album. It was four years before my parents were born and they're 84. So this is, yeah. So now in fairness to me, the album came out when I was too young to know about it. So like I didn't discover,

42:28discover. So when I discovered the album, say I discovered it in 19, I was, so I was seven. Say I discovered it in 19. You're 14. Yeah, like 88, 38, 13, 14, 88, 89. So 88, you add six years to that. So simply that it would be 1944. Where that would be like the equivalent of to what I discovered that album. Yeah, it's good stuff. No, it's not. At least my parents were two when that happened. We're coming up on 50 years. Pretty soon it'll be the 50 year anniversary of albums that like we know and like we're talking like the first social distortion albums, the first REM albums. Those were in 1980, 1981. I've got social distortion might even be late 70s. No, social distortion is probably early 80s, but the descendants came out,

43:29the descendants formed in 1979 without the singer, but they were around in 1979. Yeah. So as bad as 44 years sounds and going back to the, we're going to have to think about these things in terms of a half a century ago. Things that still means something to me and that I think about as being cool. But the thing is is that when you're 50, like 50 years doesn't seem like a long time, but 1938 has always seemed like a long time. That's the thing. It's the olden days. Yes. The soup lines and the bread lines and the great depression. But I'll tell you this, Seinfeld doesn't look dated that much. Seinfeld doesn't, it's just weird. When we were kids in the stuff in reruns, looked like he was from another planet. Yeah. Like even the stuff in color, like the monkeys, like looked like the clothes were completely different. The comedy was completely different. The music was completely different. Like everything was completely different.

44:30Like if I put on Seinfeld, my kids, I mean they won't watch it, but they would be like, it's not like this upfront, like, oh my God, how that's ancient. It doesn't even look that bad. But it's like when we watch the Brady Bunch and the monkeys and stuff, I don't think we ever really thought of it as funny. No. Something that was odd, but No, it was not funny. No, the monkeys was okay. My kids will watch Seinfeld. And they do like friends even though I rarely think friends is funny, but they'll sit there and laugh at friends and they'll laugh at Seinfeld. And it's still funny. You kids have these beautiful attention spans where they can actually consume a half hour or 22 minute comedy. I didn't say they could do that. They'll watch a few minutes of it. Yeah, I don't even know if I could get my kids to watch a few, certainly not my son. That's out the window. But my daughter, I can, would you show, watch, always sunny, but together what? And always sunny by the way, they're like around my age, maybe a couple years younger, like a couple of years younger. And you know, this is their 18th season, but like the 21 years since they went on the air,

45:33and they look good, obviously, but I mean, it's quite a difference from 21 years ago. And they like have all had work and see, except for Charlie, they all seem to have had work and, you know, that Mac has gotten very, very muscular. I really don't, I really don't lose them when I'm trying to point out something that's funny until I, and I've done this a number of times. I'll be watching Andy Griffith and a particularly funny scene that I'll remember. And I'll quick hit record on the DVR and I'll bring one of them into the room. It's like here, this is why I like this. You know, watch that. And it's a tough sell. Yeah, if I say something's funny, my kids hit me in the nose, say, how dare you? All right, well, what is funny is when J. Stoo and Felgar started to wrap in, and that's what happened the other day on their show, we'll have that for you in just a moment. Insurance isn't a one-size-fits-all, and shopping for it shouldn't feel like squeezing into something that just doesn't fit. That's why drivers have enjoyed progressives name your price tool for years.

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