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Fear the 'Fro puts a bookend on the regular season series against the Cavs, as the Cleveland cruises to victory on the struggles of Cade Cunningham. Bob Schmidt recaps the series, answers some mailbags, and looks ahead to playoff seeding.
Welcome to the Fear the Frog podcast. I'm your host Bob Schmidt. Thank you for joining me as the Cavaliers are victorious
We can put a bookend on this four game series in the regular season against the Detroit Pistons
But based off how the last half week is gone
There is a distinct chance that the Cavaliers could be staring at a second round matchup against this same Pistons team
They still sit four and a half games up at the time of this recording on the two-seat Boston Celtics
We are three games back of that two-seat now anything could happen. We have a pretty soft schedule
We could finish in that two-three slot and avoid the Pistons in the second round
But I think you could make the argument after watching the four games play out this season despite the two two split
This seems like a pretty favorable matchup for the Cavaliers as they did what they did tonight in the absence of
Donovan Mitchell in the absence of Dean Wade in a game where James Harden was not good at all in terms of his
Efficiency from the floor now. He made plays when you needed him to make plays and the box score would convince you that he had a solid impact
18 points
Seven assists five boards, but just five of 17 from the floor tonight
So without Donovan Mitchell and without the offensive impact that I think many of us expected to see from Harden tonight
Losing Jared Allen probably factored into that
But you got enough from unlikely places including three specific guys. I want to shout out here Dennis Schroeder
Getting to that right hand getting to the rim finishing some scoop layups that could have turned into and ones
Just big plays by him tonight Craig Porter junior a monster on the offensive glass
Five offensive rebounds tonight and the Cavaliers multiple times in this game. You had two three
Shot possessions because of second chance opportunities and finally
Bishop Kernie alum Rochester native Thomas Bryant out dueling the other Rochester
native beef stew on the other side Thomas Bryant just huge minutes tonight including and I don't know how many of you
I mean Jeff and Alabama is a gambling degenerate, but a four point play from Thomas Bryant just as Kenny pointed out in the post game
A fantastic luxury signing. I don't know what to expect of Jared Allen in the moment when he checked out of the game
And they said, I he's not going to return. There was a lot of speculation if it was need any contact
It didn't look super prominent on the video. So then there was fear that oh, could it be a non-contact issue
But Kenny in the post game. He got a knee to knee only update. I got it. It's you know, so yeah, just a knee to knee
He said twice. I'll play you both of those. No definitely it was I think it was a collision thing like I said knee to knee
I don't think it was a twist. I don't want to get too specific here
Now we've seen Kenny get stuff wrong in the post game in the past
But the fact he said it twice makes me feel like okay, we shouldn't panic about non-contact stuff
I'm hopeful they were just playing it safe because he also alluded to in the post game that they were considering holding Jared Allen out
He is an iron man always wants to play wants to keep the momentum going and I get it if you're Allen
You have finally forced their hand to feed the ball to you even in the return of Evan Mowgli
He's still continuing to get touches. I would not want to risk
Upsetting that similar to how Dean can cost himself opportunities due to his
nagging injuries and perpetual inability to stay on the floor
Jalen Tyson tonight made a statement
22 points from Tyson and huge defense against Kate Cunningham
You saw moments of him picking him up full court. You saw some big blocks by Jalen Tyson huge triples throughout this game
And he put him up on volume 12 three point attempts from Jalen Tyson and still above 40% at the end of the day
So a great game from Jalen Tyson
But the frustrating part with Allen is if he misses extended time
There's this little lingering fear in the back of my head that is Evan Mowgli ramps up
And he's starting to look a little bit more aggressive and doing a little bit better out there that I don't want Allen to skip a beat here
So I'm not that
Upset about what happened with Harden tonight because quite simply Jared Allen playing without him Thomas Brian is not a lob threat
Evan Mowgli is less so of the lob threat than a Jared Allen a lot of that element was gone
And yet still behind shrooter behind Craig Port of junior behind Thomas Brian and just some
Heady place by Keon Ellis
I know he followed out of the game tonight, but my god to be able to throw that kind of energy and intensity
At Cade Cunningham for 48 minutes
I think you see the impact of what the Cavaliers can do to a Cade Cunningham in a playoff series because don't fool yourself
The Cavaliers split this series
22
But this felt like a four oh sweep
Dennis Jenkins really was the one who carried him to victory at the end of 2025 there and you could attribute him
You could give the victory to him. I mean really it's the dumb foul by Jalen Tyson and some horrible
officiating at the end and missing free throws a whole confluence of factors as to why the Cavaliers dropped the last game
But what you see from Cade Cunningham we now have the numbers are final the regular season series is over and over these four games
Cade Cunningham is 34% from the floor
17% from deep three of 18 from outside the arc
He's fouling nearly five times a game could have filed out and back to back games tonight
And he's only scoring 19 points per game
That's two games where the Cavaliers have held him to 12 points or less in this four game series
And he's a plus minus of minus 29
He has not been good and despite what you're about to hear from JB Bicker staff
I'll give him a pass on a couple of those bobbled attempts to you know feed the ball to the bigs
In the late game, but his failings fall squarely on his shoulders
Especially on the defensive side of the ball Cade Cunningham tonight was brutal
As an off ball defender
The defense was nearly 10 points per 100 possessions better when he was off the floor
The offense was nearly 50 points per 100 possessions better when he was off the floor
I think you see the impact even in the absence of Dean Wade of a dial in Jalen Tyson
Rising to the moment and Keon Alice and being able to throw just salvo after salvo of high energy
Physical grabby clutchy active defenders to great results tonight
The JB clip I wanted you all to hear from his post game presser because it's gonna fire you up
I mean at 14 assists
So he did the right thing if they're gonna continue to send that amount of bodies at him
You know, he finds its teammates like that's his responsibility
He puts they put two on him, you know, he shares the game again
I'm you know baffled by the fact you know that he drives as much as he does in tonight. He shoots two free throws
He's not a flopper. He's not a flailer. He's a downhill attack guy
You know I'll go back take a look at it
But it just surprises me as much as he drives that he only shoots two free throws tonight
Boo hoo JB win-win-win
The Cavaliers are a terrible matchup for him
Because like JB said in that clip he is a downhill star
He tries to get to the rim. He tries to get to the line
He tries to get inside
But not only do the Cavaliers have two of the most disciplined defenders at the rim in the league
But now as this season trends along they're playing them more together and on top of that
This year's version of the Cavaliers at least defensively speaking
Yeah, I mean losing tie sucks offensively, but defensively speaking
There are three contributors out there now in Jalen Tyson and Keon Alice and Dennis Schroeder
Who are not part of this roster last year so to be able to throw
Deanway Jalen Tyson Keon Alice there is going to be a minutes problem
There is going to be a rotational issue if everybody is healthy come the playoffs
But the nice thing about this extreme
Death is that you can play more physically and I think you see that from a Jalen Tyson tonight
Kenny spoke to it in the post game about how sometimes he feels
What is needed to unlock Jalen Tyson is a challenge and putting him out there against Cade Cunningham tonight
You saw Tyson rise to that challenge you saw him pick him up full court
You saw him playing with physicality you saw him send him away at the rim if Jalen can get to that point for us
Or be that second guy which he's proven he can do that
But I do think Jalen loves when he's the guy doing it right like
You know he's the main guy doing it. We got to keep reminding himself to challenge
He needs a challenge sometimes defensively like that
You know lock into one thing lock into one player
He's really good at that, but man you get a secondary elite wing defender
That's super valuable in this league
Now coming into the night in the previous three matchups
With Jalen Tyson as Cade's primary defender. He was shooting 4 of 12 tonight. He was 0 of 5
So now there was one I guess that you could say it was either on him or Thomas Bryant
But let's be generous 5 of 18 from the field against Jalen Tyson and perhaps my favorite play of the evening was watching him
Send him away at the rim. He did try to sell
You know an offensive push off one time
Fortunately Cade shanked that jumper
But there was a lot of Cade trying to take him on the block and failing whether it be because Jalen got support at the rim behind him
Or because he just walled up and forced him into fade away baseline jumpers
Tyson was incredible tonight
And here's the other thing that's that's pretty exciting honestly Wade has not been healthy
He's only played in one of the four games against the pistons this season
So now you have the luxury of Tyson Alice Schroeder
Wade you can keep that pressure up 48 minutes
You can play without fear of fouls really because key on Alice filing out
Just means you check Tyson back in and Cade finishes missing his final eight shots of the evening
I think the skepticism built around this conversation about the pistons
And if their record is you know fraudulent and can this sustain in the playoffs
We saw a lot of the reason why people are skeptical tonight
Because they don't have somebody to take a lot of the pressure off
I know carus is there I know Jenkins is there
But they got a heroic fourth quarter from Thompson
And Thompson is the guy that most people point to as somebody who could potentially be
Alive ability in the playoffs
And you saw tonight in Moby's return
The ability to be able to let Moby roam is something that Detroit creates
By logging big minutes with Thompson
So that is more of an advantage for the Cavaliers than it is for most of the teams that are going to match up
Against this pistons because Evan Mobley as a guy free to roam
Is maybe more impactful than any defensive big in the league outside of perhaps web and yama
Now rather than me ramble
Let's get to the mailbag because I'm sure there's some people who have some things to say
After what felt like a long layoff for me. I know it wasn't really. It was just Friday
But still
Hey, Bob
Drew from us Virginia here Drew
What a great game it feels like we've been a while since we've had one of these crazy Jalen Tyson
Outbursts like this that's nice to see and hopefully Jared Allen is
Not gone for too long. We really need him
Also, you know, I'm just gonna say it fade cade. All right when it comes to the cast fade cade
Whether it's Tyson whether it's Mobley whether it's Merrill whether it's Dean Wade
I am not afraid of putting any of our decent defenders on him
You know, he's just inefficient fade cade man. I'm not afraid of Detroit at all
I hope we see them in like the second round because I have
100% confidence that we're gonna beat them in playoffs
Which actually kind of bringing me to the question. I want to ask
Who's the teams that you want to face in the playoffs and who do you not right between like
Nick's Celtics
Histons, you know Toronto. I mean, I'm not afraid of Toronto, but you can put them in there too
What's your ranking of those teams?
Thanks for everything you do on the pod man love the pod and
Appreciate all you do catch it next time. Fuck this team Drew. I'm with you fade cade
I just find them annoying the pregame comments from JB now crispy door after the loss
Where the Cavaliers choked that game away by shanking free throws by the failure to execute an intentional foul when you're up
Three that resulted in sending the game to overtime the multiple botch calls according to the league in the last two minute report
All those contributed to the loss
But the the purpose of feed or his article was to say that that game playing short-handed playing without Donovan playing without harden
Dennis Schroeder turned the ball over eight times in the Cavaliers still basically had to wrestle a loss out of the jaws of defeat
Left the calves feeling like we can hang with this team and when asked about that in the pregame
JB said if you mean it
You don't say it anonymously
Essentially painting the Cavaliers as cowards for feeling good about their team in the locker room postgame after a loss
That's some bullshit. This wasn't somebody seeking out a mic to denigrate the pistons
So there's no cowardice here the reason why I would choose the pistons over the nicks and over the Celtics is one very simple reason
It's a solo star construction
The bigs can be great, but I think we have the bigs to neutralize them and you can focus all your energy on trying to take Kate out of the game
The thing with the nicks is while I'm still confident that the Cavaliers could beat them
It's a two-headed monster offensively you have to worry about Carl Anthony towns getting off and Jalen Brunson is a playoff riser
In a way that I know that that's the case whereas Kate has yet to show that Kate did not shoot very well last season
Just like he's three for 18 in this season series with the calves in the class
He was five of 28 from outside the arc including all eight in the closeout game
So he's got stuff to prove to and I would rather take the team who has yet to prove it
Then take on a guy in Jalen Brunson who I think is shown that consistently for the most part he can show off now
Dean has been great against in this season
But give me the pistons first for narrative and personnel reasons
Give me the next second for narrative reasons and because I want to exercise some demons and give me the Boston Celtics third
Because the Tatum is a complete unknown and that variable along with being playoff tested and just the trouble that they've given us
Even with a lesser roster this year. Here's what I will say. I actually think you know
It's a sneaky push to swap out Simon's for Vouch
I get positionally
They needed front court help much more but in the games against the calves this year Simon's was actually solid
16 17 points of game knocking down some triples
I think the Cavaliers there's something to be said for bringing in a
A gentleman of advanced age. I think the Cavaliers defensively will be able to close to him
And it won't be as scrambly and frenetic and five out as you know what you've expected from
This team in the past and the same thing with Tatum coming back in some limited form
I don't think they're going to be quite as good at keeping the calves defense on tilt in these games if we face them in the playoffs
But again to me, I would take much more satisfaction out of Epistons or
Or a Raptors or a Nick's victory in the first and second round
So so if you're asking me who I want in the first round, give me the Raptors
I'm kind of at the point where like if we lose in the first round
We don't deserve to have nice things
So give me all of the people that can squash all of these narratives of past iterations of the calves in one majestic playoff run
The thing I love about this match up versus Cade is the Cade's not going to get rewarded because our biggs are too disciplined
You saw today in a play where he should have been teed up for just exploding on the rest after he failed to convert a basket
At the rim which by the way did not convert any baskets at the rim tonight
05 or 06 I believe he went at Jared Allen who just kept his hand straight up
They could get the biggs and foul trouble in other ways
But Cade is not going to be able to bait those guys into playing recklessly
And then we have the perimeter options to allow to play recklessly and take some chances
I don't think he's going to be able to sustain
Making the type of impact he'll need to make to get past the Cavaliers
Now let's go back further in the mailbag because we face this team twice
And I want to get to Dom in Sydney, Australia who had some comments that I do have thoughts on hey Bob
It's Dom from Sydney, Australia
Long time listen to a big fan of yours. Thank you. Just want to say I know we won today
But I swear to God there has to be some sort of conspiracy because the last few games
Verifying has been terrible
And here we want but that edge eight second call was absolutely
Diabolical in my opinion
Also, I want to say very very happy to see that
Jera Allen and evermobile coexisting well since merby came back
Frankly, I was a little bit worried and I think Kenny mentioned as well that he was a little bit worried
About Allen's production with merby coming back, but it's great to see that he's kept it up
So yeah, I want to know what do you think about that and how do you think things will pan out in the playoffs
Do you still think that Alan will be looked at as scoring option or will things change
Again, I love the podcast all the best
Dom thank you and you left that after the pistons game on friday that ended with the debacle where
Last two minute report by the league revealed three mistakes that went against the Cavaliers versus one
That went against the pistons perhaps the biggest of them being the call against Jera Allen that fouled him out of the game
Certainly the Cavaliers probably win that game with him in the game
He probably wins player of the month
I have pretty strong feelings about what we've seen from these challenges
Cavaliers it just feels like for the last week week and a half or so
Some of the calls that the Cavaliers are being forced to challenge are
Egregiously bad
They should have never been made in the first place and my problem with this rule is this you're allowed two challenges
In a game I feel like the rules should be you're allowed two challenges which you lose after which point
You don't have anymore because if the refs are so incompetent that they continue to screw up the most basic of calls
There was even a moment tonight where the ball went out of bounds on jalen duren on the baseline
It despite the fact the official was standing right there and he looked at the ball hit him on the way up
And then duren reached for it and hit it again on the way out
He called it off the Cavaliers initially and multiple people protested and an official coming from half court had to come back and overrule him
The Cavaliers should not be forced to expend all their challenges because the rest are incompetent
The counter to that and this was somebody said this to me on twitter today that would make the games much longer
Well, perhaps
But if the goal is to get the call right the only way that it would make the game longer
Is if we it keeps being revealed that the calves are getting hosed by the refs if they challenge plays
Like JB did tonight on that obvious foul by Kate Cunningham shoving Jared Allen in the back
Then they're going to lose their challenges and they're going to run out of them
But if the Cavaliers keep winning challenges, why should they be punished for the refs mistakes
There may be a point where you cap it
But the fact that you can use two challenges on just dumb calls
And then you don't get anymore for the rest of the game. It's horseshit secondarily to that you talked about the
Half court the eight second call that was insane. That was absolutely insane
Scrooing something up out of a dead ball when you had a chance to look at a clock before it happened
That should get you you should have to go back and take some sort of math class because that you just can't add and I understand
I'm a homer. I get all those things
But I think this is a rule that every fan base could get behind to your question about do I think Jared Allen and Evan Moby
Consisting I do I have some built in trauma that if this is a long absence
For Jared Allen that it may be detrimental to his involvement
But I wasn't under the illusion that black history month Jared Allen is going to turn into women's history month
Jared Allen and just keep it going all the way through the summer as we ride him to a title that being said
I do think it's heartening that for as much scorn as
Kenny has gotten for starting Dean at the small Ford position when Jalen Tyson has had the year
He's had what it does signify is that defense matters to Kenny now for whatever you may feel about Dean as the starting small Ford versus Tyson
Just put those feelings aside for a second and focus more on the message it sends
Which is that Kenny I think he recognizes that the swing skill for this team to get a better outcome in the playoffs
Is locking in on defense because whether you feel Dean is a small Ford or not or should just be utilized as a backup big
Dean as a small Ford produces are very best defensive lineups 99th percentile
Sub 100 points per 100 possessions and even overall those lineups are in the 97th percentile
Now I think Tyson can be equally impactful
But I think the fact that you can take that as a sign that he understands what may swing the playoff fortunes of this team
Is by being able to just stifle people defensively it speaks well for my confidence that we're not going to go back to the old way
Of ignoring Allen secondarily to that I think James Harden won't let it happen
James has a ton of experience
Utilizing the skills that Allen is better than Mobliad trading for James Harden means this focus on development is over
The focus is on winning period and I don't care that Evan Mobli makes nearly twice as much as Jared Allen
None of that should matter what should matter is that if we're winning and we're playing our best basketball
By unlocking Allen then keep going to it until somebody can stop us
That's been the most consistent take I've had for four or five seasons now is the results have been there
He's better the offense is better with him out there on the floor
Why do we keep resisting this and I think it stopped and I'm happy about that because my whole thing with Kenny is
I'm not going to sit here and tell you definitively that there's a right and wrong answer long term
Yes, Tyson is your starting small for it
That's what we all need to happen and that's what should happen
But if he wants to choose to deploy weight against Brunson because he's been
Tremendously successful if he wants to deploy Tyson if we get a matchup versus the pistons so be it
I don't need it to be static. I don't need all the answers now
I just want to coach who's responsive to what's working and who continues to go to things that are working
Even if they're counterintuitive to his preferred play style now
I would agree with the people who feel like Kenny is holding Tyson to a higher standard than he holds Dean
You know Dean can have a goose egg game or have a bad game
And he's still going to find his way right back into the rotation
But what I would say to that is this
I think he did the same thing with Ty for as much as you can look at as a negative
You can also look at it as what it is
Which is that he expects more out of those guys because they're capable of doing more
I think what he's trying to drive in to Tyson's head before the playoffs in this period where he can send messages
By having him come off the bench is that in this new ecosystem with James Harden
You need to really dial in on the little things
In Jared Allen's case when he's involved in the offense
It impacts the rest of his game with Jalen Tyson when he gets dialed in on the defensive end
I think that confidence feeds into his offensive confidence even when it's in a secondary role
Look at the block he had tonight
On Cade Cunningham that he comes down on the other end and he hits that floater
And tonight I think you saw his defensive engagement lead the way
Which led its way to big offensive shots later in the game
The reason he's harsher on Tyson is because he's and he knows long-term
There's so much more there to unlock
Then with Dean Wade
But he's got to be comfortable playing as a higher priority and a much lower priority
Which sadly
It with the new acclimation of Jared Allen as a big offensive component
With James Harden being dropped in here with Dennis Schroeder being dropped in here
That's just a reality
What Kenny's probably trying to do here is sharpen those edges of the intangibles
As we head into a playoff run where we're going to need him
Now last podcast one of uh
One of the fear the fro faithful
Paul from Rhode Island called in and admitted that prior to the hardened trade
He was waning his interest was in and out
He perhaps missed some podcasts and as penance
I suggested that Paul who is relocating to New York from Rhode Island
Traverse Rhode Island 37 miles across from east to west
Said said get to the streets fatty and take some steps
Paul has responded on the fear the fro mail back
What a uh actually no back you uh to Paul for Rhode Island
Just listening to the pub
You want me to walk 37 fucking miles
I got 37 fucking inches of snow at my door
Or you know that half a dean weighed or 74 S.G.A.'s
It's a reason NBA metrics
Fucking Mike from Ohio gets a cutesy fucking jingle
And I get a goddamn death march disguised as an
Promotional for your stupid fucking fitsbo discord
Fuck you
Eat a bag of dicks
Challenge accepted as always love the pot
Now don't lose track of the thread there
There's a lot of complaining
Telling me to eat various bags full of penises
But ultimately this was the important part
Challenge accepted Paul from Rhode Island soon to be New York
Has strung together multiple days of 10,000 plus steps
And I believe he only has 15 miles left of his 37 miles before he is officially
Walked 37 miles now Bretton Houston thinks he's soft and that
It's a cop out that he's not doing it in one foul swoop
But every journey
Begins with a single step and if I can compel
One semi-disloyal
Possible fatty. I don't know. I've only seen his wrist and his watch
At this point. I don't know what Paul looks like
But I guess my point is this I still think it's noble
And I applaud you Paul from Rhode Island for making good on what was
Just kind of an absurd challenge that I pushed out
Meanwhile Bretton Houston this fat pig is out here taking
Shaming to a new level
He's out here taking 20,000 steps
But saying don't get fixated on the 20,000 steps
It's about the fact that I covered 12 miles with that step
He's the type of guy during a marathon
That just his bib disappears
And he shows up like 20 miles later
And he's got barbecue sauce all over his face
The purpose is to shame people into action
It's not to then also shame them when they actually take action
Because it's not sufficient enough to your adonis like standards
Okay, the one thing I've learned from the fitness channel on the fear
The fro discord is that what I thought it was going to be was me
Dunking on a bunch of lazy pigs
And instead I'm realizing that I'm well-passed my athletic prime
And I've set myself up for failure by trying to compare myself
To you deviants who have nothing to do
But lift weights and probably beat your significant others
I don't know
Chris and I'm said falls aka Pepe Silvia here
Great win last night
But what I'm really calling for is I'm listening to the pot on the way to work right now
And that fucking intro song was glorious
You are a goddamn wizard dude
I love you forever
I love you Chris and thank you
I'll close the episode with that song again
Celebrating the greatness of Black History Month, Jared Allen
A grave injustice took place
Now the greatness I don't care if Kate Cunningham won the award
For doing 25 and 10 which is basically what he's done every month this season
In fact February was his third most efficient month
By true shooting percentage by the way
But the greatness of Black History Month, Jared Allen
It won't live on in accolades he didn't win the award
But it will live on in the silent dignity
With which he persevered and dominated
Despite the grave injustice we've all just witnessed
And you can slight him
By not giving him this award
But when the Cavaliers eventually do run this team out of the playoffs
The last laugh will belong to the fro
So until the next time I'm Bob Schmidt
This is Defear the fro podcast
Please leave a five star rating in review
And thank you very much
Bring on the Celtics
Little bit of a layoff
I'll see you on Sunday
Not that long ago
No heart
I can still remember who the people were
Who were spouting lies
I just don't think they need the two big
And I knew if he had the chance
Trade this bomb
He'd expose their fraudulent head
For congestion that still exists
Maybe they would shut up for a while
Shut the fuck up
February gave me boners
Assisted hammers or the loan
Clearly dominated the man
Bad news for the haters
40 points
Masterpiece
See you later
I still remember those who've lied when I
Read about his fire inside
The fro has sent them off to high
Got something to prove
The money
Agendas
Die
Please just a different basketball team
We're Jared Allen
And we were singing by
By to the narrative lies
They're all changing up
Their tunes except for this fucking car
Don't you finally wrong
Because they can't give a pride
But they're welcome to the logical side
Fear the fro
His story remembers you lie
The soundboard doesn't forget
When I write the book of fro
Chronicle in all the various takes that blow
Just trade him for any half decent wing
I want him off this team
Because when you feed the bang
It's 14 and oh
But he can't give the ball to himself
You know he doesn't even close games
That's always been the problem, bro
Guy, dammit, kiddie
Look, I know we all like to be right
But I pray that you give up the fight
Because you'd have to be a moron
To cling to the haters
And then pause it on
Well, just the solo host
Who's spent a month breaking up
But here's an obvious take
I don't think all stars suck
The only people still hating are irredeemable cards
How much longer is Jared Allen Values?
This guy's Syrian a trade
With me, get in there and fuck that guy's world
Bye, bye to the narrative lies
They're all purging out their timelines
On their blasts on this slide
Coward
What's up this spot?
Can't certainly not you guys
Singing welcome to the logical side
Five murders
Come on to the logical side
Crack those bottles
It's the promuary
To remember
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