Mock Draft Monday with Josh Norris: Panthers draft another 1st round WR + Seattle finds Walker replacement

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What's going on, everybody? I'm Matt Harman. Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy forecast. It is

a hell of a day to talk ball. It's another mock draft Monday and we've got a heavy hitter.

We've got one of my longtime friends. I'll say that. I'll use the f-word here. One of my longtime

friends in the industry. It is my good pal, Josh Norris of Underdog. Josh, what's going on,

buddy? Matt, what a lovely time to be talking football. Yes, the BYB days. I've been there. I've

known you since maybe like Steve Smith's fifth year in the NFL. All the way back to, I don't know,

like 2011. You and I have been spending way too much time on the platform once called Twitter.

I'm always glad that when I get to see your face and talking to these podcasts, these massive

platforms that we have now. That's exactly right. That's how I knew that I could strong arm Josh

into coming on this show with like two days notice. I said, I owe you. Okay, so anytime,

anytime you need me, I'm there to provide my typical whatever people come to listen to me for

routes, all the things of that nature. But on this show, particularly mock draft Monday,

if you guys have been listening watching, you know how this goes, we bring in one of the great

mock draft mock draft is one of the great draft analysts in the industry. We have them give

some of their favorite with five favorite player to team fits from their most recent mock draft that

they absolutely love because Josh knows this as Josh once once once upon a time, you were the most

accurate mock draft or in the in the universe. You had a one year true victory lap with that. So

you know this that not all 32 picks, you don't love them, but there's some that you really love.

These five, that's what you're going to highlight for us here today.

100% and don't take it away from me, Matt. I still think if you look in the Guinness,

Buckel, World Records, it's probably actually not even in there. Still the most accurate mock draft

in NFL history. I'm still chasing that tale from about five or six years ago. Maybe we do it

this year, Matt. Maybe this is the start of another journey of just bragging about pointless things

over the summer. That's what we're all here for is to brag about pointless things over the summer

because that's really what the people want to hear. And of course, we'll wrap it up as always with

our stand on the table segment where Josh gives us one prospect from the 2026 NFL draft that he

is willing to stand on the table for. But without further ado, let's get into another edition of

mock draft Monday. All right, Josh. Let's hear it. Who is your first favorite player to team fit

from your most recent mock draft that you absolutely love hit me with it? I'm mildly obsessed with

this wide receiver. I know you're mildly obsessed with this wide receiver. This is Casey

Concepcion out of Texas A&M and line him up with the Carolina Panthers at number 19 overall. And

sure we can talk about this team fit if you want to threes trade first round wide receivers.

Why not, Matt? I mean, you can't trade for them. You can't sign them in for agency. This is the only

way to get them. And Casey Concepcion just would bring different elements and a different layer

to this passing attack than what Jalen Coker and Tedaroa, Marilyn, you know, bring to this table.

I understand people are going to bring up his drop rate and we can have that conversation.

I also see him make fantastic off-frame catches, corral, these difficult grabs. And then most

importantly, on every single snap, you have to respect his speed. He can turn the corner with

swiftness, with agility, with acceleration. And I believe he can be used as a motion piece

to set him up into these stacks, his off-line of scrimmage, you know, routes. But at the same time,

he can also get him in static situations and allow him to win in isolation. He, to me, Matt,

has an inside shot of being the number one wide receiver from this entire class.

Josh, I hate to say it because I'd love to disagree with you here. I'd love to, you know, embrace

debate. And I pretty much co-sign everything that you just said there about Casey Concepcion,

especially the last line, which is that if he ends up being the best wide receiver from this

draft class, I would be zero percent surprised. To me, when I come out with my stacked rankings on

reception perception, he is going to be with the top receivers in this class. Like he's in that same

tier to me. And, you know, before, again, the comments light us up, people on Twitter hit us

up about the drop rate, which you've already discussed. If he didn't have that drop rate, if he

didn't have those catch, to me, you can tell me how you feel about it. To me, minor technique

flaws that do need to get cleaned up, but I think can get cleaned up. If those weren't on his film,

I think he'd be ranked more with like, Crystal LaVay, Garrett Wilson. I don't have him as that

caliber of prospect, but I think if that wasn't on his record, that's the type of wide out he is

to me from like a route success rate chart standpoint and reception perception. That's where he

lines up with with like that caliber of prospect. But I think you got to ding him a little bit

if he just never cleans these drops up and things of that nature. But I mean, yeah, he just demolishes

man press coverage. He's so good on the perimeter. He separates at all three levels. He's a fantastic

receiver prospect that like from the moment I started charting this draft class, I kind of, I feel

like I've been hinting at it for the last few months that this was going to be my guy. But no

question, Josh, this is this is absolutely my guy. And and I'm glad that you share this opinion

as well. Yeah, we can share him. And I love draft analysis all year long. I do think maybe Casey

conception is part of the blind spot of what draft analysis all year long can be where, you know,

the McCoy lemons, the Jordan Tyson's, the Cornell Tates have been mentioned as the top wide

receiver for months and months and months. And so, you know, Casey conceptions name for many people

out there might not have appeared until, you know, NFL combine week, for example. And to me,

that's not because of his tape. That's just because of who was getting buzz as the possible number one

wide receiver being drafted this class because the tape backs it up. And Matt, I mean, this dude is tough.

Like he actually finishes all of these catches and tries to pick up as many yards as possible.

There's a play versus Mississippi state. I'm sure you saw this one. They start too high. They

rotate into single high. He's at X running a deep out. He bends it inside to tell the story and

create as much separation for his quarterback to throw the football on this outside breaking route

and leans into the corner, breaks out into space. The ball is a second late. He still catches it

three yards short of the goal line and simply carries the tackler into the end zone like it CT versus

Johnny bananas and the challenge. Like what he is able to do in these situations from every single

alignment running every single route is uncommon at the college level. And then you even go back

to his freshman season at NC State. He had 40 carries, 40 carries. And this was like legit running

back stuff or wow cat stuff and just like barreling through the defensive line and reading, you know,

his blocks up front. I mean, the comparison I made was what if Jalen Waddle was two inches taller

and 15 pounds heavier. And that's exactly what he lines up with from Waddles NFL combine.

And that's a pretty good player in the league. And it's just someone I think would fit

literally all 32 organizations out there. It would improve their roster.

Yeah, that Waddle comparison is a really good one. And again, Waddle went what,

sixth overall in the 2021 NFL draft. The guys I mentioned like Alave went 11th. Garrett Wilson

went 10th. Like this is closer to the range that I think he should kind of be considered. And

obviously we're talking 19th with the Panthers. We're going to be we're going to be breaking down

that fit here in just a second. But like, yeah, that's the range of prospects that I think he

belongs to. I mean, frankly, like I see comparisons to Zay flowers out there. I've seen like some

Jordan Addison comparisons. I think what people forget is like these much bigger than these guys.

I mean, you mentioned a Casey conception on six foot 196 Jordan Addison was 511 173 at his

combine. Yep. Zay flowers 5 9 182. He is a bigger player than that. You see more I think credible

reps at X receiver than those guys. I really like Zay flowers as a prospect. I was a little bit

mixed on Addison. I kind of still remain a little bit mixed on Addison. But overall, I still think

you see a guy that like with Zay flowers, I think you saw reps of him being a solid man press

beater. Like Casey conception on his a fantastic man press beater. And I think Zay flowers also had

like some drop issues in college too. So I understand like that comparison wise, they've got the

Jews. They've got some of those catching technique flaws. But overall, I just think Casey gives you

much more. As you mentioned, like toughness, the ability to like put the ball in his hands and

ask him to create with it. I think from a power standpoint is a little bit better than some of these

players we're talking about here. So yeah, I mean, he's he's a pretty, pretty great player.

And those of you watching on YouTube or wherever else can see what I posted about his former

water see per coach at tech saying him and home and Wiggins, who was Alabama's water see per coach

from 2019 to 2023, uh, basically every top water see per plate under home and Wiggins. I learned

Devonte Smith that aforementioned Jalen bottle. You could do the Jameson William stuff, you know,

against the grain that Ben Johnson did where, you know, everyone's pushing in one direction. And

there he goes in the opposite direction. Yard's actually catch because again, he's a blazer with

the ball in his hands. Henry Ruggs, Jerry Judy, John Metchie, all these guys. So yeah, this is a good

coach to develop and learn under. And that's exactly what he did this past season. Uh, I love the

arrogance that he plays with too. I mean, he loves a mailbox. Matt, I'm sure you noticed this.

Yeah, there were plays where he throw it up, baby, in press, burns the corner at the line of

scrimmage and not even seven yards down the field. He throws it up. He's like, oh, you can throw

this ball 30 yards on the field, but I am open now. And I know it and get me the football. And

everything that you hear behind the scenes too is that he was a leader for this team. He obviously

has a speech impediment, a stutter, but he doesn't keep that from, you know, talking from the media

at the NFL combine, doing all the interviews. He wants to be a voice for people who feel like they

can't have a voice. Again, this is just the type of player that I don't think comes around

in frequency in trades. And because of this versatility in alignment standpoint, he fits

every single organization out there. And there's all these teams. And especially the first,

the teams with multiple first round picks, they all want to take them with their second first

rounder, like the dolphins, for example, to replace Waddle or the chiefs later on or the Browns.

And that's like close to the 25th or 28th or 30th overall picks. Matt, I think he's going much

closer to like 15th overall. This consensus ranking at 28th overall.

I've tried to manifest him as a draft pick for the Rams because he fits so much like that pre-stab

motion stuff, like full speed motion at the snap. We already saw him doing that in the 2025

season with the with the Aggies. Like he already has reps doing some of the stuff that the Rams would

ask him to do. And I think he brings a different flavor to their wide receiver room. Plus their wide

receiver one has had a very, we'll just call it tumultuous off season in his own right. So

definitely something they might be looking at as certain terms of around one wide out. But

last thing before we talk about the Panthers fit here, our buddy Lord Reeves put this stat out,

the case he conception on 25% of his targets were deemed uncatchable. So several other players,

I actually really like on this list, one of which we're going to talk about a little bit later

in terms of the uncatchable target rate. But if we're talking about like, yeah, he had he had a high

drop rate. He also had a lot of opportunities where he was wide ass open and the football did not

go his way. So those are important to consider. And final note in the drop rate because we still

got comments, even though we did like a 15 minute isolated video on our channel about

Casey conception. And I thought we kind of laid out why we weren't concerned about it. But you

know, people still are sure. I think you can say that maybe he leaves his feet in some situations

he could stay grounded. And maybe that leads to some of these concentration drops. I agree with

that. Yes. But we also have seen Matt. So like the best wide receiver prospects have had high

drop rates entering the league. It's not necessarily a sticky stat. It can vary year to year. And

it just also happens when you're heavily targeted, like when you're the primary passenger on a team,

like just more opportunities for these things to happen. So I'm not like shushing them away.

I am saying that that should not be the overriding thing of when you hear Casey conception's name,

it's a 11% drop rate and you can't catch the whole because then you just haven't watched.

Right. I mean, he's dropped right over the course of college career is like sub 7% anyways.

It's really not that crazy. But it is, it is something that he does need to get better at it.

And, and we are adjusting for how many passes he dropped. Because like I said, he'd be a guy to

me at least that would be a tier one prospect if he didn't have some of these like clap concerns

and stuff like that. But anyways, okay, let's talk about the panthers fit here. Because I,

yep, I love the player. I don't really love you sending him to Carolina for for a couple of

different reasons here, Josh. Number one, you're right. They've used a ton of resources at wide

receiver. The last, this would be the third straight first round pick at wide receiver. So far,

Chetero, McMillan, that pick looks like it's going to age pretty well. The pick before that,

Xavier LeGet was bad at the time. And I don't think it's going to age very well. They have another

wide receiver in Jalen Coker, who's a significant has since they've both stepped on the NFL field has

been a significantly better player. I think I could see the logic of Carolina went this way. Like,

we're just going to continue. They don't really have a ton of depth, honestly, behind some of these

guys. And they tried to use a guy like Jimmy Horn is that pre-snap motion creates some leverage for

Chetero, McMillan. Now you're just, you know, 10xing that type of player. I understand the role in

the offense. But can I also just say from a, like you, I think you're more pro Bryce young than I am.

So can you, can you justify for the people here who are going to be big Casey conception on fans

why he's not just going to be like a 500 yard producer over the course of his career.

Yeah. Like the two a or number three receiver with your guy Bryce Young there.

Well, and, you know, he'll take away from Jalen Coker. And I know how you feel about that as well.

So like we're attacking. Yes, I will admit, yes, if we're if we're if we're if we're if we're

if we're making the case here, I can also admit that I'm, uh, I'm compromised as the lawyer for

here. Yeah, okay. What would going to the panthers map be better than him going to like the

fricking Cleveland Browns and catching footballs from like to show off and and should or Sanders,

you know, we can say that for a number of teams out there. So, uh, look, he just brings something to

the table that no other pass catcher on the panthers do or does. Uh, over the last two or three years,

if you combine those, the panthers are basically last and yards at the catch, uh, possibilities.

Like they have no one that can win with the ball in their hands. Uh, to me, they really have no one

that, uh, has a stability to and you talked about it. Motion, the fly out the the speed,

all of it to, you know, get these free releases and manufacture space for these players who then

really maximize that space afforded to them. And at the same time, I understand people don't think

like Bryson has a big arm, but if you look at like all the underlying metrics out there, every single

one points to him big time throws downfield completions. It's just the, the percentage of attempts

isn't as high. And I think with the change in playcard they have this year, they're actually going

to attack that level more and more and more. So, do I think that he and Teterot McMillan could get,

you know, 120 targets next season along with you than Coke out there, probably not. Like you would

see, you know, just a lesser total of opportunities. But at the same time, could this be like a piece

that makes that team an average to above average passing offense and like more consistent, uh,

ability to produce, which I think was off it on last year, 100%. And so the, to me like, 19 is a real

sweet spot of a pick for him. I agree. Total sweet spot for him. I think he, he should be a top 20

pick in the NFL draft. So this would make sense here him going in this range. I'm just not looking

forward to like the summer arguments of, uh, me defending. No, this is why you should still be

excited about Casey Concepcion when I just get Bryce Young gifts and the replies left, right and

center. So, um, yeah, no, I, it would be a really fun like completes the room type of selection here.

And as a wide receiver dork, that does kind of scratch my itch here. Um, but I've already admitted

some of my biases. But regardless, we both love Casey Concepcion. You should be really excited

about him. That's the big takeaway from this conversation. Josh, let's get to your second

player to team fit that you absolutely love. Malachi Lawrence to the L.A. Chargers. And let's say

this at pick 22 again. A couple months ago, Malachi Lawrence was maybe a second round pick for

many people out there. The closer we get and the more you watch some of these edge rushers,

these past rushers, to me, I was thinking, well, much more excited about like this tier two or

tier three ones that are most frequently mocked in the second round, first of the ones that are

commonly placed in the first round. And Malachi Lawrence stains out. And maybe this is me just

trying to do like a one to one replacement for what they lost in Odafe O.A. If you go back to that

trade that they did mid season, it changed their entire defense and especially getting to the

quarterback. Like you have these power rushers per se and Cleo Mack and Tully. But what Odafe O.A.

really brought to this table was his freakish athleticism. And so many sacks across the league are

second phase chase down place. And that's exactly what Malachi Lawrence is going to do with his

unreal athleticism. And I also think he has a past rush plan from the snap and from the jump.

And so if you have to lose someone like Odafe O.A. who you got for basically just a low he

Gilman and what a draft pick. And then you can't pay that in for agency. We saw how much money he

got from the Washington commanders. How are you going to replace it with a player like this. And I

will always just like bet on traits with past rushers and then I fell. Yeah. If you look at just

to speak to some of those traits, his mock draftable spider chart Malachi Lawrence 97%

tile in the broad jump 96% tile in the vertical jump 95th percentile 40 yard dash 87th percentile

10 yard splits of the guy. Obviously is a high caliber athlete at 64 to 53. Do you think he ends

up getting ranked by most people in this range Josh because like on the consensus board,

if you look at it, he's like 45th overall. So you think that could be one of these guys that

definitely is is a higher drafted than he is currently ranked. I think 22 might even be too low.

Like I wouldn't be shocked if Malachi Lawrence goes the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at 15 overall.

They are begging for an ad rusher. The Tampa Bay Bucks were unable to acquire one really in

for agency. And again, this is a type that's very different than like your Caldrick Fox and

you're a keen mezzador who is 24 years old with a history of the injuries. You know,

this is a spray athletic healthy man who just wants to chase down quarterbacks and are shocked

with how much and how fast his closing speed is. And just keep this in mind over the next three

weeks. I not only do I think Malachi Lawrence is locked into the first round that 15 to 22 to

like 27 range makes a ton of sense to me. Yeah, this pick here for the Chargers makes a ton of

sense too. Because you mentioned like that OA trade. It's funny. I think I remember seeing Robert

Mays describe it at the time is like if it's like you and your buddy in a fantasy football league

and you're talking late at night, like just catching up. It's like, you just want to make a trade,

like just to feel something. I believe is the way Robert described it. And that's what it was. Like

Joe Ortiz, obviously, Chargers GM used to work in Baltimore. He's talking, he's just I'm sure

him an Eric DeCosta are, you know, talking about just their their kids, their families, whatever.

And he's like, by the way, you want to send me like a Dothae OA and a fifth round pick for a

low E. Gilman shirt. Let's just do something to feel it, you know, feel feel alive here. And it ended

up really changing the course of their defense because of that complimentary nature that you mentioned

OA brings to the table as opposed to the big hulking guys like Cleo Mack and Tui. Like it was a big

deal for this defense. And it's something that I think they're going to really miss if they don't

replace. And I know that the Chargers have the Chargers have serious needs still on the interior

offensive line. In my opinion, I like the signing at center, of course, in Tyler Biotis, but still

they do need some guard help. No question. But otherwise, like you look at edge and it is

to me at least pretty clearly their biggest need. You don't know. I mean, Cleo Mack is on a year-to-year

deal at this point. So I think this pick from a fit standpoint makes a ton of sense as well.

Yeah. And Odafeo would not have gotten a four-year, 96 million dollar contract without this,

you know, without that trade to showcases athleticism and Jesse Mentor's offense. I mean,

if you go and watch all his pressures, all the sacks, some of them are off the snappany,

definitely can run around, especially backup offense attackers, which seems to happen more and

more in the second half of seasons. But it is, and I keep bringing up these chase-downs,

second phase plays, these all elongated passing snaps. And he makes them a bit shorter than,

let's say, other defensive ends would allow them in length. Yeah, I mean, four million or four

years, 96 million dollars for a guy that was all athlete who really didn't improve until really

his final year. And that was with a second team. And now you can just replace that one-to-one

with Malachi Lawrence just makes a ton of sense to me. And Josh, I just think whenever you lose

like a great mind on either side of the ball, which clearly Jesse Mentor is, you know,

offsetting that by just making the unit more talented. And maybe it's not more talented because

Odafeo, it was like the proven commodity of this deeper into his NFL career than obviously Malachi

Lawrence is. But that's a great way to like offset some of that. So I think it's a big deal to sort

of look at that edge position here in the first round for the L.A. Chargers. Let's get to your

third favorite player to team fit. And this time, I think we're going outside of the first round,

Josh, but you can tell me if I'm not here. No, we definitely are. I'm not that much of a sicko.

Hayden Winks, my co-host might say, hey, this might be the pick at 23 overall, but for a multitude

of reasons, we'll say Chris Bell, wide receiver, Adam Louisville to the Philadelphia Eagles at 54 overall.

We'll talk about the team idea and mindset in a moment, because I think that the 2026 NFL draft

for the Eagles is going to be squarely unoffence. But we'll first talk about the playery.

What a fascinating, fascinating, when he's just a better athlete than every other person he

played high school ball with and basically every other player he played with in college. He is,

let's say, rough around the edges. He plays with a motion. He gets invites with corners and maybe

even a referee in the future. But you also maybe want to find his quarterbacks. Sometimes.

I mean, I would too if I were him. Some unreal moments of strength. Like you watch your beloved

James Madison University. He shoves them at the line of scrimmage, a slant versus zone coverage.

He runs to maintain distance on the yards of a catch shrugs off a tackler for a 64-yard touchdown.

If you say, well, JMU is not the best competition. He did the exact same thing against Miami's

defense and no one did that against Miami's defense. He did have a late season ACL. It was just an

ACL on November 22nd. But with this Eagles team, I'm not saying he is AJ Brown immediately,

but I think you might get first year Tennessee Titan AJ Brown stuff this year. And there's a number

of ways I think a team could deploy him and I'm excited to dive into that with you right now.

Yeah. These receivers types are so fascinating to me to discuss because like everybody's got a

wide range of opinion. Is he the next AJ Brown or is he the next trail in Birk slash Xavier again?

I think that's where we have to come down on the Chris Bell discussion here. I will say this. It's

funny. You mentioned that JMU game. I get this comment a lot about like when you're charting

prospects, do you account for a level of competition and things like that? And to me, there's no way to

truly like adjust that. You just obviously have to note that when you're talking about. Oh yeah,

Skymore's got great reception perception numbers. But he's playing like nobody's back. By the way,

I brought this up on a recent show. Remember the Cory Davis went fifth in the NFL draft. Oh yeah.

Like played at Western Western Michigan and never did any pre-draft testing. There's no way that

would happen now. By the way, like there's no way that who was who was the white wide receiver that

was with him too. Like like not blank and shit with something like that. Do you remember? I don't

know. I mean that name. Even he had like some love out there. I mean, it's amazing. All these players

that we go Devon Wiley. I mean, now that I just think of. Yeah. I mean, listen, I still for all

to hand up like I liked Skymore despite the fact that he was playing, you know, nobody's. But

it's like, yeah, he has great numbers. But that doesn't mean he's the best receiver in the class.

Obviously, that's how you do the adjustment for a level of competition. But my point in saying

that is that like I thought Chris Bell actually did not play all that great against JMU throughout

the course of that game. But then he has that one play where he just houses it because he's a

better athlete than everybody. And I still think there's a good chance he's going to have those

moments in the NFL, even if he never comes like fully brings it all together because he is that much

of a big time athlete at six to 222. Man, I think like he's a guy too that you look at his frame.

I think he could put like more muscle and explosiveness on like he's he's a pretty he's a very

enticing player. Now some of the negatives are I think the focus comes in and out. I think his

zone coverage recognition for a guy that I think his zone coverage recognition spatial awareness

for a guy who plays a lot underneath is super whatever and forgettable at times. He only lined up

on one side of the field, at least in the games that I charted. He's only been on like a right

while I believe right wide receiver. That is typically a red flag for me. But it at least means

he's a I think he's a developmental guy. But for a team like the Eagles, if they hang on to AJ Brown

this year, I think that that makes a lot of sense. And there are parts of Chris Bell's game.

Get the ball in his hands. He does run a three like three route combination very well. His man

coverage work. I think is pretty solid. So there's definitely something there. But still on that

range of the next AJ Brown to Zabriel again, I probably fall somewhere in the middle ish.

I'm not calling him AJ Brown. Okay. I just want to put that on the table. I am not that much

of a lunatic. Just a couple notes. I want to bring up here. I'm totally with you that the hand

stuff comes in and out like for being a power guy. He had a straight up drop over the middle

field versus bowling green. Other times he really didn't come down with the ball through contact.

But then you watch that catch. I think it was versus SMU where he just gets tamolished

and still goes up and grabs it. Yeah. Above every other person.

Big time elevation. What if what if the perfect pipeline for early production here for Chris Bell

was like the chiefs using rushy rice because some of the slots that I did see from Chris Bell

that it was just the crossers and the drags over the middle. Get the bonus hands and just again

let him out athlete people. And then hopefully he can just develop into being more of a complete

wide receiver once he reaches the league. But like at the very least, you know, he maybe can be a 60,

65% snap player as your third wide receiver if you also incorporate two tight in sets and just

use that athleticism on like really simple routes. And I think like that is kind of part of

and why I think that Philadelphia Eagles makes so much sense for him too.

Yeah. See, I think he's much more on like the Quentin Johnston spectrum, not the hands issues.

I'm just talking about like Quentin Johnston as a mover. I think he's much more on that spectrum

than he is like the AJ Brown Xavier LeGet. And by the way, I keep bringing up Xavier LeGet.

Xavier LeGet was like a fifth year breakout player in college. Chris Bell is still right now 21

years old. So there is definitely some like positivity in his end on that. But for Quentin Johnston,

he's a guy that I'm always I would always I always thought like he probably should be used as a

Rishi rice type. Now rice is definitely bigger and more powerful. But in terms like just get the

ball in his hands and let him cook. And then hopefully he develops by year three. He's more of a

true wide receiver. I think there's a chance that like that is the path for Chris Bell. And if we're

talking about that as a second round draft pick, that's totally fine. Like, you know, if you're

if you're taking this guy in round two, like bet on the traits, bet on the upside. And hopefully

again, you don't just push him into the deep end right away. You let him grow and develop. I

definitely think there's something here for this guy. Hayden brought up in our video that,

you know, this might not be viewed as a high floor player, more like a high ceiling player.

But Matt, we also see the quote unquote high floor players entering the league end up having no

floor and also paying busts. Like, oh yeah, John, the Jalen Polks, like there's a whole bunch of

that stuff. Like maybe fours don't don't exactly exist in the league. And so maybe kind of taking

chances on players like this in the second round can make sense when they do have obvious areas where

they do win. And they are freakazoid athletes on top of it. And then you just try to get with your

coaches. That by the way, his college water receiver coach is Dion Branch, who knew that like

Dion Branch was coaching water receivers. It's really interesting. Like, like littered hankerson is

in college level two. Anyways, we don't have to go down that path. But, um, yeah, I mean, I also

view the Philadelphia Eagles passing game based on we got to run the ball against too high. And we

got to do it well enough to force you into single high. And when we force you into single high,

we have athletes on the perimeter that can run nine routes or again, just get open or win with

their power or athleticism first of corner back against them. That all kind of completely lines

up here with Louisville, who also ran stuff under center forced a lot of single high. And some of

his best plays I thought were out of those out of those looks again, just being a better athlete than

his opposition. Yeah. First of all, speaking of the Eagles, if you're going to talk about John

Dottson on the show, you address him by his full name, which is Super Bowl champion,

Jahan Dottson. That's number one. If you're going to disrespect Jahan on this show, you're going

to go at least call him Super Bowl winning a Super Champion, Jahan Dottson. Secondly, with the Eagles,

whether they're able to pull it off, whether their quarterback is able to pull it off,

it's a separate question. But I think it's pretty clear. They're going to try to overhaul that

offense in a pretty dramatic way. They're going to try to be more of what the current offensive

meta is than what they have been during the vast majority of the Jalen Hertz era with Sean Manning

as the offensive coordinator. You think about some of the receiver prospects they brought in,

like Omar Cooper Jr. That's not a guy that would typically fit in their old world of offense.

It does really fit within this model. And I think Chris Bell, if we're talking about he needs

a little bit of roll catering early on in his career, he's going to get that whether it is with

AJ Brown on or off the roster. Because if you're thinking about like this is a two receiver set,

I'm imagining that like Devonte Smith can handle all the big boy wide receiver stuff. And whoever

this new player is, if it isn't AJ Brown can do all the fun, you know, move around stuff, whether

it is an Omar Cooper Jr. Whether it is a Chris Bell and round two. I think that makes complete

sense. And this would be a good spot for a guy like Chris Bell to end up at. All right. We

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All right, we're back. We're here with Josh Norris continue to run through his most recent

mock draft and some player team fits that he absolutely loves. Josh, bring us to the running

back position who we highlight in here. Not round one because almost certainly that should be

only Jeremiah love unless John Schneider does something absolutely insane, which he has been known

to do either with the 32nd pick or maybe even moving up or back from that one or up from 64.

I mean, Matthew Harmon, we've seen John Schneider take the likes of Kristen Michael

of Rashad Penny, maybe much earlier than others and maybe because of athletic profiles. Why not

throw in arguing the best athlete size speed wise in Mike Washington, Jr. out of Arkansas to

this same team? 612 23 15 110 433 40 39 inch for 91st percentile and then a 93rd percentile

broad jump on top of that. I mean, again, John Schneider changed some of his ways, changed some

of his drafting, one of Super Bowl. They desperately need a running back, but maybe you can't

treat teach an old dog new tricks and he kind of falls back into his same kind of profile he loves

at this backfield spot. Again, the Kristen Michaels or Rashad pennies and takes Mike Washington

earlier than other people expect. CJ ProSize too is another former Seahawks running back. He was

just brought up on a recent show too. They were running by Prospect Preview. He was one of these

guys too. That was like a 220 big time like 75th percentile 40 yard dash type. There's

yeah, there's there's definitely a type. And John Schneider has been there so long we can track

his movements throughout the course of his tenure there at the running back position. So this

makes a ton of sense for him to go for this like size speed freak show type. What do you think about

Mike Washington as a player? Because Ray Garvin and I just earlier this week did our running back

preview. He was a fun player to discuss. So just kind of what's your what's your thoughts on him as

a running back? He definitely has strengths and he definitely has weaknesses. If things are blocked

up well, he has long strides and choose up a bunch of ground. I do think maybe early on with his

vision, it's better than maybe given credit for, but I think his biggest issue is his balance.

He just gets chopped down way too easily. And sometimes that happens in the open field.

So this is a very different player I think than Kenneth Walker who can make seven people miss

at behind the line of scrimmage and still that only equals, you know, one yard carried so he gets

staying for it. Mike Washington is more of a rumbling, bumbling, sometimes stumbling runner,

but if you know they're blocking improves like it did down the stretch point A to point B, he can

still reel off explosives. And we saw how important the explosive Russian game, not only for

the Seahawks, but just across the league, it has become. And I mean, this team might have a

starting running back in week one on the roster right? I mean, they definitely don't. I've seen

people try to get excited about the manual Wilson thing like, come on, that's not a starting

running back in the NFL. Good, good reserve player can get you out of a pinch, but still I will say

this just funny mentioned the Kenneth Walker comparison. I agree. I don't think he's like an exact

same type of running back like Kenneth Walker, definitely to me, has more wiggle to him at that

size, but there are some similarities in what you could kind of expect maybe from a volatility.

If you're okay with, and maybe they're not okay with Kenneth Walker. Yeah, these are high

variance runner, obviously. And I think that's definitely the case here for Mike Washington is

just different than, I mean, similar with Kenneth Walker, you wanted to be kind of a one cut and go.

Like, here's your lane, hit it. Don't be doing a lot of dance in behind the line. Just hit that

hole and like, man, you're bigger, faster, stronger than everybody else. Again, Mike Washington doesn't

have the same. I would say lateral agility or wiggle to him. He's much more of a stiff runner,

but very similarly like, you want to give that guy a lane, one cut, hit it and rip off explosive

place. So there's some kind of like bones to build off in the running back position from the guy

that they just had last year. Yep, I totally agree. And who even knows like,

how much of a change of success and of that sort without Clint Kubiak, this, this offense is going

to have, but man, they got to their peak when it came to, you know, Grey's Abel second half of

season, really like jelling along with, you know, some other players along that offensive line.

And I mean, the Ken Walker thesis, I guess worked out for them where maybe one of their goals for

splitting carries was to say, well, we get him into playoff. So we're getting for all 17 games.

He's fresh. Obviously that turned into a Super Bowl MVP. Keep him fresh.

The same time Matt, I would have loved to see more Ken Walker last year in terms of red zone usage,

because we obviously see he can do it. And just more overall usage versus a true 50 50 split,

because I think you and I can both say he's a better running back than Zack Sharminay. But in the

end, you know, it doesn't matter what I think for my face football scores. It matters that they

lifted the Lombardi trophy at the end of the day. So I almost certainly in the early part of the

drafts, unless like they are completely sold on the Holani and Emanuel Wilson combo. The Seahawks

are going to pick a running back. And there's not many to pick from. I mean, they're not going to

be in the Jeremiah love stuff. I know you had an interview with Jerry and Price earlier this week.

And then Mike Washington's the other and then I get a couple more. Yeah, Jenna Coleman,

that's a Julian price. I meant Jenna Coleman at Washington. But yeah, this is just someone that

fits the type and the style that John Schneider has done for decades. It feels like at this point.

And I don't know if you escaped that. Still, if you're a decision maker in the league.

I think that would be tough to escape that. So I like the call there. And at the same time too,

like one, we don't know what Brian Florey's vision for the offense is going to be. But if we're

going to just kind of maybe piece the dots together here, he was the run game coordinator for

the San Francisco 49ers coming over here to Seattle to be the offensive coordinator. It certainly

seems like they want to double down on this outside zone system. And I do think again, one cut,

hit it outside zone stuff. Like it does fit Mike Washington, maybe not perfectly early on in his

career. Maybe he starts off in a little bit of a split with the manual Wilson and then eventually

is actually Arbanae. But he could certainly grow and develop into being that guy. And I will say

this Josh, like whether it is, well, regardless of who the sea hawks take and I do think they'll take

a running back probably on day two, I would guess. But whoever that running back is is going to be

the favorite to like leap frog in your dynasty rookie drafts. And I think especially if it's the

the speed scores going around about like Washington, he's going to be definitely a post draft

riser if this scenario comes to pass. Yeah. Again, we all say maybe third round here.

John Schneider does not care what the consensus board is. He does not care what the community

thinks out there. He is going to do what he wants. I am not saying 32 overall, but like a short drop

down from 32 back into early part of second round. And then they still take their running back with

the first pick that they have in the class would not stun me in the least. All right, let's get to

your fifth and final favorite player to team fit. We're going back to wide receiver world here.

Yeah. We're going to talk about Jeremy Bernard joining the Washington commanders. And

I'm sure you've watched Jeremy Bernard at this point. He can fit every organization because he

does every single thing out there. Like he lines up as a static X. He lines up as the movement guy

at the sea. He's fricking the cool plays. He's the manufacturer touch guy as well for this team.

They built this passing offense around Jeremy Bernard. But the reason I like the fit here with

the commanders because we know who Terry McCoron is. He's very good at what he does. And namely his

connection with Jane Dana was on these vertical routes. But if this team wants to, you know,

attack more over the middle of the field with David Bowell coming from like if we can call it a

Ben Johnson coaching tree. And I know he's a part of this and they want to get kind of more

pro style, which is the rumor so far, who is going to be running those in breakers, those digs,

those milled the field stuff. And Jeremy Bernard, it felt like he did that 17 times every single

tape you watch of Alabama this past season. A hundred percent. I mean, he is a, I think I said

this to your co-host there. Obviously, mutual friend over at Underdog Hayden. I think I said

this to him at one point on Twitter, like dig route merchant, but parentheses complimentary to

Jeremy Bernard, like this guy just runs those dig routes middle of the field extremely well.

I'm a big fan of him. Not, I don't know how high the ceiling is necessarily, but

I think I said this back at the combine. He just looks like the ultimate glue guy to a wide

receiver room. And that really has under for something that has been lacking in this Washington

group. I mean, Terry McCoron is awesome. And Terry McCoron, I'm actually really excited to see him

in this offense because I agree with you. And everything I've heard, everything I've kind of just

read and kept up with is that yeah, they are definitely making quietly a pretty big transition to

what the offense is going to look like. It is going to come off that Ben Johnson world much more

than Cliff Kingsbury and what it's been the last few years. I'm excited to see what Terry McCoron

gets deployed like in more of an under center world. More of we're trying to attack over the middle

of the field. But still, for the most part, he's going to be a vertical guy that's working on

the perimeter. And Jeremy Bernard is somebody that can work over the middle of the field and kind

of bring that together. Plus, Josh, if they trade or they probably don't trade for, but if it's

somehow some way, Brandon, I you can ends up on this roster. You're going to need a little bit of

insurance. He's still going to need a little something. I was going to bring it up because let's just

take a stroll through the commander's wide receiver room outside of Terry McCoron. Okay. It's a

trailer in Birx, Luke McCaffrey, Van Jefferson, Deami Brown, Jayden Lane, and then you get to like

Nick Nash and Jacobi Jones and Jacobi Brooks. Yeah. They need a metric. Nash is on this roster.

Oh, yeah. They need someone steady out there. And yeah, utility player, glue guy, all of it.

It's also amazing to me. You know, he was at Washington, Jeremy Bernard played next to Roma Dune's

A, Jalen Polk, Jalen McMillan when the coaching staff left and went to Alabama. They're like,

Jeremy, you got to come with us. And he did. And then I know that Ryan Williams, and we'll talk

about him next off season, had a huge decline in his play this year versus his freshman year. Yeah.

They built the passing offense around Jeremy Bernard. He should not be getting shovel passes.

He should not be getting, you know, throwback screens. He should not be getting handoffs from

the backfield. And he got it all. And he was like a three and a half out of five stars and

just about everything. If you want to be negative, that's fine and say, well, where's the four and

five star stuff? I would also say his vision with the ball in his hands to like maximize that

blocking. I thought was quite good. At the same time, oh, yeah. I believe the commanders,

other than the Patriots, were in for Romeo Dobbs. And the easiest comparison you can ever make

for Jeremy Bernard during this draft class is just to say he's Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. Yeah.

That makes a lot of sense. I think he probably, Dobbs is funny because he's ended up being like this

on ball extraciever. And I don't think that's necessarily what I want Jeremy Bernard to do.

And but otherwise, like the routes that they are successful on, that like ability to just kind

of make the first guy like Bernard is like able to make that first guy miss. He's not going to stack

these massive long runs or anything. He's not going to smoke man coverage necessarily, but

very good zone beater. Somebody that is a really smart guy working over the middle of the field,

which is exactly what Romeo Dobbs is working over that middle of the field. So that makes a lot

of sense. I would have maybe said he's like what people wanted Alec Io Manor to be last year.

And Io Manor was the guy that I compared to Romeo Dobbs. So we're kind of on that like same

spectrum of wide receiver here. Kendrick Bourne makes. Yeah. Kendrick, again, glue guy. Kendrick

Bourne, the ultimate wide receiver three glue guy is going to be gluing together whatever they're

doing in Arizona this year. So yeah, I think Jeremy Bernard, you're so right to bring that up that

they built that whole passing offense around him. And none of the guys that the commanders added

this year, whether it's like none of those guys are like, hey, that's going to stop us from

making any level of wide receiver edition, whether it's a day to pick of Jeremy Bernard adding

Brandon, I you get some point shout out to Nick Nash, by the way, you brought his name. He's

just 27 in July. That's the old second year. I remember he was like one of the last guys I

charted last year. And I could I could remember because we were in LA for our draft show. And I

met up with James co for drinks that drinks a dinner that night. And he's like, are you done with

the rookie roundups? Like, yeah, I just tried to some guy named Nick Nash. He's going to be 27 next

off. Yes. Like just that's what it's time to stop when you go to the 26 year old rookie. That's

when it's time to stop. Right. Now, do you think someone like Nick Nash who, you know, in the

spreadsheets looked awesome because of his yards per out run. And maybe how many yards he put up

in every game? You think that might have been easier because he was 25 years old going up against

19 year olds on a college of ball fiat. Yes. Is somebody that fell for the Andrew Armstrong

profile last year? I can I can confirm that yes, that is correct. Yes. You could leave the SEC

and wide receiving yards when you are 24 and everybody else is 18. You could definitely do that.

And if you're doing it at San Jose State, like Nick Nash, you could definitely do it.

Just the final point. You guys brought up this step previously from Richie Bar.

Jeremy Bernard's season could have had even more production on the same topic.

If you look at it, he was fifth in this class in terms of percent of his targets that were

uncatchable at 27%. We don't have to dive into the Tyson's in conversation. It was a tale of two

halves for him of the season. You can watch that game against Oklahoma. I mean, Jeremy Bernard

came out the back field, got open over the middle of the field. It's a seven second throw

that Tyson's in has and he just totally air males him over the top. That was the same

against Auburn on top of it too. It was rough stuff and just off target, off frame,

it was really frustrating. And like, Jeremy Bernard didn't show any frustration and still

was a leader of that team. Again, we keep coming back with glue guy stuff, but he is just so

steady. And like, steady guys in this position now because the best for agents that say,

the best talents don't make it to for agency. Even the steady ones now get paid like ridiculous

levels that taking this guy in round two when he previously might have been around three round four

guy is totally fine in my book. Yeah, I know we keep saying the glue guy stuff and people probably

aren't getting excited about the ceiling there. But listen, if you're a glue guy and you hang

around, I mean, this was my thing when when guys like Juan Del Robinson and the aforementioned

Romeo dobs and even Alec Pierce were eligible for free agency this year. It's like, aren't you

just kind of better off trying to find the next version of that guy that just hangs on to a

starting job for three to four years. And by their fourth season, they've peaked into the best

version of themselves. And I know people talk about that with like, oh, the Chris Brazels and

like these big up cycles, what if they become that? Well, those are the guys that have trouble hanging

on to a starting job for for four years. You know, who doesn't this type of player like Jeremy

Bernard. So yeah, by his fourth year, he's somebody that the dynasty community never got excited about

because he's a rookie face planter, whatever. And then by his fourth year, it's like, that's

a pretty credible NFL player who can go over the middle field where teams are trying to attack right

now. So yeah, I kind of like him relative to consensus this year. And I think this is a really

good pick by you. I throw in Marvin Jones as a comparison to again, somebody did just about

everything at multiple different stops. The final note and the biggest positive I think for

Jeremy Bernard is whatever he can control, he tries to master. Okay. So we talked about the vision

and picking up yards off the catch, reading his blocks. I thought he might be the best in terms

of sideline awareness and getting his feet and bounds on like these toe tapping things. His,

I thought catch technical skill was totally there. It was textbook. He's just not going to be,

you know, a 99th percentile athlete. He's not going to be six four. He is limited maybe by

things that are out of his control. But what he can control, he does really well. And this even

goes into the blocking aspect. Alabama would bring him in very close and these condensed splits next

to the line of script image. And he would try to pin these linebackers. He watching this Oklahoma,

he would try to get to the second level. Can be hit or miss at times, but like he gives it. He cares.

He tries to be the hammer in this situation. So yeah, he is someone that you can easily see have a

10 to 12 year career, I think. I know we get caught up on the high tier athletes at this position,

but listen, all those things you just described there. We've talked about here. Good hands,

going over the middle, blocking kind of sounds like what some of the most productive wide receivers

in the NFL right now are becoming very good at. So it's definitely an archetype. I think

that matters a lot more for a guy like Jeremy Bernard. So I'm glad we have this conversation,

because we haven't really talked about it much on this show yet. But we're going to take our final

break. We come back. Josh is going to quickly give us his player that he's willing to stand on the

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Captain McEathen.

That's right. This is what the people are here for. Josh, they want to know who is the prospect.

You are nobody can make it through that segment intro without laughing, by the way.

I've seen it like 50 times. I still I still laugh about it. But who is the prospect, Josh?

Get serious now. No more laughing. Let's be serious here. Who is the prospect?

Yes. You are willing to stand on the table for in the 2026 NFL draft.

For a multitude of reasons, Georgia Tech defensive tackle, Jordan Dandenberg. And he won't be anywhere

close to the first round. Six foot three, three hundred and ten pounds. You know me, Matt,

I kind of fall in love with these interior defensive linemen that are just peak athletes.

This goes like all the way back to Malik Jackson, Milton Williams a couple of years ago. I mean,

I have Javan Hargrave and Grady Jarrett, Sheldon Rankins, like I can go down further and further

down the list. Vandenberg is just a sick athlete. I mean, 99th percentile shuttle at 4.19, Matt.

That's a faster shuttle time than Garrett Wilson, Alec Pierce, Klyusha Kier, Michael Wilson, DK.

I mean, a bunch of water sewers in this class, including Denzel Boston, the aforementioned

Jeremy Bernard. That's with over a hundred pounds on his body compared to them. A 419 shuttle.

That's also 99th percentile jumps he has in his back pocket and a sub 540. The story here,

I don't know if you want me to go to monologue here, but the story is incredible. He's from South

Africa. He moved to Atlanta when he was 10 years of age. He went to Penn State after CUNY College

and transferred to Georgia Tech. So he's older than a lot of these other prospects,

but also when you're older, you're a bit more mature. So with his NIL money, guess what? He bought

a laundry mat this past year. He owns a laundry mat called Always Fresh. So does he have dual income

possibilities? 100%. Does he have a good head of the shoulders? 100%. Does he play like he has a

jet pack attached to his ass to get up the field and make these tackles for Wilson sacks? 100%. So

there's a lot to love here. I think about Jordan Vandenberg who also checks the name box here

with prospects. Well, listen, that's got to be the first time we've ever, we've definitely first

time we talked about Jordan Vandenberg on this podcast. Probably the first time we've ever talked

about a player, at least I have mentioned it. I'm sure at different times there have been players

that have owned a laundry mat, but I think it's definitely the first time it's come up as a positive

on a scouting report for a player. I'm fired up here, Josh. This is pretty electric. You mentioned,

you rattled off all those names to bring it back to what we talked about at the beginning of the

show how we have known each other for way too long. I was thinking about when you were ripping off

all those names there. I feel like you and I have probably had conversations about like interior

disruptor Dominic easily back in the day. Like that was the first guy out of it went like really high.

Yeah. Yeah. Six, two, two, two, two 88. This guy's a little bit. I tried to donate my knee ligaments

and he refused that. I don't know that you're I've seen you work out at the combine or you did

well, you did like a combine video a few years ago back. I think when you were at NBC, I don't think

your knees know offense pal is going to be doing Dominic easily or anybody else any good.

Oh, that's so good. Just real quick, going through this when you asked me to like

find someone to pound the tape before and I was hoping to bring up a wide receiver.

Matt, I got to say I found more wide receivers that I would like just not drafts simply.

And maybe that's just my time. Wow. Like I wanted to bring him like a Ted Hearst or a Chris

Brasel or like a Zachariah branch and all these guys. But like there were more turnoffs than turn

on's for many of these these names. So we have like individual videos about all those guys on our

channel or coming in the next few days. So I just wanted to give a guy a shout out who wasn't

even invited enough. I'll combine who is a freak is crazy. And again, he's older than some

prospects. And we just talked about that with wider seniors. So maybe that's one reason why

he had some extremely dominant reps. But at the same time, like these interior disruptors are

difficult for these teams to get in the open market to even draft. And that's the quickest way

from point A to point B to the quarterback or to for tackless for loss. And so I am rooting for

the South African Jordan Van Enberg. Now, you mentioned it like one of the biggest themes from

this past year's NFL season. If you looked at the teams that were remaining in the final four were

some of the best like interior disruptive teams teams with you mentioned Milton Williams in the

Super Bowl. See Seattle could throw guy after guy after guy at you in terms of interior disruption

this year. And then you get to the free agent market. It's like too bad. Ain't none of those

available this year pal. None of them are available on the open market. You got to draft these guys.

You got to look in unique places looking for a guy who's not even invited to combine definitely

a unique and good place to look at. He's not just hanging out at his laundromat. Josh appreciate

you buddy. Tell the you've already mentioned it several times. So you're you're clearly on the topic

here. You know what you're doing. You're a professional that you and Hayden do a great job

with your individual prospect breakdown videos. But tell the people what you're working on heading

into this year's NFL draft that they can check out. Yeah, just go search on YouTube,

underdog NFL draft. And we have got 10 to 12 minute prospect profiles on a bunch of water

receivers also tied in some like Kenyans a deep and whatever the heck Eli Stowers is as a player

some quarterbacks. And we're going to get to running backs on on top of that. So I mean Matt,

I got to say sometimes I wish like this next month would slow down so I could watch all these

prospects. But I know I'm always in the minority opinion on that and people just want the draft

to get here. But we're on top of it. That's for sure. Oh no, I say it all the time. I have the

most conflicted feeling about the next month in that, you know, it's I'm already thinking about

May. I'm trying I'm taking some time off in June this year. We're going to we're going to Portugal.

I'm I'm I'm jacked up for it. My eye is looking towards the future. And yet I also really need I

really need time to slow down because I got a ton more charting to do and a ton more content

to push out here on this show as well. Josh, appreciate you man. You and Hayden do great work.

Definitely everybody should go if you're watching this show on YouTube, you're already

probably watching their show. But make sure you go check out all of their videos as well.

That is going to do it for another edition of mock draft Monday. But we will be back tomorrow

as Scott Pinawski returns the show to fill in for Justin Boone. We continue our teams that shape

the draft series by looking at the contenders. There may be just like one good draft away from

absolutely trying to push it in and win it all. That's going to be live here at 2 p.m. Eastern

on this YouTube channel. Until then, we are out.

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