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Thank you everybody in this room, and everybody at home supporting me over my career.

And some unexpected plot twists.

Sean Penn couldn't be here this evening, or didn't want to, so I'll be accepting the award

in his behalf.

Plus, the president responds to backlash, overusing images from a dignified transfer of fallen

soldiers to raise campaign funds.

Then, any winning documentarian Ken Burns shares his mission to tell the real history

of America, as the US approaches its 250th anniversary, and if he thinks some chapters

are in danger of being erased.

Up on board for Easter fun on an all-new View Your Deal, and former Republican presidential

candidate, Carly Fiorina, joins the table to guest co-host.

Here come hop topics with whooping, Sarah Haynes, Joy Behar, Anna Navarro, Sunny Hauston,

Melissa Faragriffin.

Now let's get things started.

Well, hello, hello, hello, welcome to me!

Yes, and joining us as guest co-host this week, please welcome former Republican presidential

candidate, Carly Fiorina.

So, you know, I don't generally do this, but I have to congratulations, Michael B. Jordan

Navarro.

I burst into tears because he's such a good person, but he's a fine actor, and to play

two roles, and I don't know where it came from, just like, oh, I was just really, really

happy.

That's so sweet, yeah.

And as you figured out, the Oscars will last, and now Conan hosted once again, and it's

no surprise that politics were a reoccurring theme of the evening.

Take a look.

Tonight could get political, okay, and if that makes you uncomfortable, there's an alternate

Oscars being hosted by Kid Rock.

Yeah, it's at the Dave and Busters down the street, first time since 2012, that there

are no British actors nominated for Best Actor or Best Actress.

Yeah, British spokesperson said, yeah, well, at least we arrest our pedophiles.

I wrote this movie for my kids to say sorry for the housekeeping mess that we left in

this world, we're handing off to them, but also with the encouragement that they will

be the generation that hopefully brings us some common sense and decency.

There is an international community of filmmakers dedicated to telling the truth, oftentimes

at great risk to make films that teach us, that call out injustice, that inspire us to

take action, and there are also documentaries where you walk around the White House trying

on shoes.

Oh, man, is he going to be mad his wife was nominated for this?

When a government murders people on the streets of our major cities.

When we don't say anything, when oligarchs take over the media and control how we could

produce it and consume it, we all face a moral choice, but luckily even a nobody is more

powerful than you think.

So I mean, what did you think about how political issues were just last night?

Well, I think with art, it's always interesting because obviously people take a chance at

the mic bringing up what matters to them, but art and movies also move you to feel.

So it's like the entrance into understanding some of the issues.

Maybe you haven't walked in those shoes before.

So I always have to rewatch a lot because it goes late and I have kids, but in watching

what I did, I got what I expected, and I just thought there were so many emotional moments

that were just beautiful.

So I mean, wasn't surprising, same old, but I love Michael B. Jordan.

I love the mom moments, like Jacob, I never say his last name right, Elordie, I like to

call him Elordory, but he made a promise to his mom when he was 15, he'd bring her back

to the Oscars, and he took his mom to the Oscars, and how many kids say things and they don't

show up on those red carpets to have that moment.

Beautiful.

I love, and I love Frankenstein, which won several categories.

You know, I actually thought when it comes to politics, I thought it was a pretty tame

Oscar from what we've seen before.

I expected more, maybe because we are in the middle of a war that Trump just threw us into,

and but for Heavy Air Bardem, who actually recycled a pin from 2003 in the Iraq War, really

there was no mention of that, and there was no mention.

Everybody took jabs, you know, a few people took jabs at Trump, but there was no mention,

he was like Lord Voldemort, right?

He whose name shall not be mentioned.

For me, the Michael B. Jordan moment was very special because he was so grateful.

Because he took the time to thank the people whose shoulders he has stood on, who opened

the doors for him and who came before him, because he took the time to thank the audience,

the people who are showing up at the movie theaters and making it a blockbuster, because

he went to a burger joint afterwards and celebrated with his people.

I just thought it was what you said.

Not only is he a great actor, look at that, but when like a great person is also a great

actor and gets the award, and his mom, remember when in the previous awards where he thanked

her, he said, you know, when you took me to the auditions that we didn't have money for

gas, we didn't have money for the Holland tunnel, and you would find it to take me to the

auditions.

Exactly.

You did good.

She did.

She did.

She did.

I watched it.

I loved it.

You know, I loved that Harvey A. Bardem, just he never shies away from speaking his truth

and speaking about politics, and I think, you know, I've said this often, you know, when

you do have a platform and you're comfortable with it, I think that you should use it, especially

when we are in the middle of war.

He also said free Palestine when he began speaking, and Joaquin Trier's sentimental value,

who won for Best International Feature Oscar, he talked about the children and how children

are suffering from these wars.

He quoted my favorite author, James Baldwin, and saying that all adults are responsible

for all children, let's not vote for politicians who don't take this seriously into account.

And we're talking about 175 kids that were killed in Iraq.

And I also want to point out that the voice of Hens Rajab did not win the Oscar for Best

International Film, but if you haven't seen it, I hope you will see it.

It reconstructs the 2024 killing of a five-year-old little girl in Gaza, and it sort of merges

real audio with her asking for help and then being murdered.

And so I thought the fact that children have been affected by wars is very important.

My last thing that I'll say is I thought that the sinner's musical piece was absolutely

stunning and fantastic.

We saw black culture, black excellence, the Jim Crow South, the Chinese influence, and

we also saw Misty Copeland, by the way, in wearing a piece of history, she was wearing

a piece of history.

That is the Firebird costume, which was on loan from Dance Theater of Harlem, designed

by the legendary artist, Jeffrey Holder.

I've said before I'm on the board of Dance Theater of Harlem, we knew this was going

to happen, and my god, when it happened, my phone was blowing up, people were like,

there she is, and she had hyperspace surgery, and she was there.

It came right after Timothy Shalamay said that opera and ballet was dead, so the Oscar

got messy.

Yeah, they got a little messy, so I thought that was fantastic.

And Ryan Kugler is so intentional, he had a blues guitar and treble cleft braided

into his hair.

For those of you who didn't notice that, I mean, he is so intentional.

Oh, look at that.

So intentional.

That's cool.

Amazing.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Well, I would say politics has been a part of Hollywood forever, and it's their moment

they can say what they want, you know, it may not, from a business point of view, be the

best decision in front of a mass consumer product.

That's what it is, but it's their moment they can say what they want.

But now we're talking about favorite moments, and honestly, I'm probably showing my age,

but my favorite moment were the tributes, because, and it's not just because they were

all wonderful actors and actresses.

They were all capitol.

But every single one of those producers and actors, they talked about human scale stories.

They played human scale characters, and they also, all of them were famous for portraying

situations that any one of us could be in.

And I do think in this age, we're so divided.

People media divides as AI is making us less and less human.

The things that bring us back to our common humanity, every scene Diane Keaton was in,

any woman could relate to.

Rob Reiner's films, we could all relate to them, Catherine, that she could make us laugh

about everything, including how crazy we are over our dogs.

And then of course, you know, Robert Redford, his films, his persona.

I just think we have to remember our humanity.

And those were four players who made us remember that.

Well, to me, this is the best in memoriam.

I think they've done.

They knew it.

They knew it.

Because one of the things that has always been a problem is who you miss.

You don't get to everybody.

And somehow this year, they decided to really allow people the time to know that writers

and directors, and cinematographers, and people, wardrobe, people, all the everybody that

goes into making movies is not just the actors, there's a whole bunch of folks who do work

on these things.

And it was marvelous.

It was the first time a casting agent, a casting agent, Diane Asker, I mean, it's so

good to tell me, times you watch a film and you're like, oh, I didn't see that person.

And the first female cinematographer, you know what I mean?

You know, I didn't get an Oscar, though, and she needs to, or I think I'm going to boycott

is Diane Warren, dammit, who wrote our theme song, I love her.

She's like, now like the Susan Lucci of Oscars, well, if I want to give her an Oscar, yeah.

And just to finish up, you know, the people that go into making this, you know, everybody

understands that they have a minute and a half to make a statement.

And so people get to say whatever they can say in a minute and a half.

A lot of people get nervous about doing it so they don't.

But you know, you want to recognize that everybody in this country has the ability and the

right to speak about whatever is they choose to speak on in that minute that they have.

You don't have to agree with them, but you have to fight for their right to say it.

So bravo to everybody who took a minute to say what they had to say, bless you, all

you winners, you worked your butts off, and bless you, all you nominees, because you know,

most of people never win, but have, you think, oh, that person has an Oscar.

And then you discover years later, this person was never nominated.

So if you've got nominated, congratulations to you, so we also want to congratulate our

talent producer Felicia Gordon, who just had her second child, Piper, she's weighing

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Yeah.

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You know who is under fire for the use of an image of dignified transfer honoring fallen

soldiers and using it in a fundraising email.

He also wouldn't comment on the six service members killed in a refueling accident.

People are getting a little cranky about it.

Take a look.

So you can see on your track what a fundraising email is.

They say it's paid for its rights for using official file.

So you can find through it.

And the file also probably can access the secret.

Well I was at the dig to find transfer.

I was like, do you think it's a bit more creative?

I didn't see it.

I didn't see it.

I've been to so much of it.

I don't think a lot of people are working for it.

There's nobody that's better than the military than me.

Do you know how to jump to six service members?

I mean no matter which side of the aisle you fall on, is this an acceptable response?

Just to apologize.

Just to apologize.

How hard is it?

And by the way, I don't like the baseball cap.

I don't like it announcing the order in.

I don't like it to dignified transfer.

How hard is it to just say I'm very sorry?

That should be the easy part.

It's so natural to mourn a death and to say I know right now there are families hurting.

This is the ultimate sacrifice you can give to our country.

That doesn't even politically take any blame.

It just is saying, oh my gosh, my heart hurts for all of you.

That part should come so naturally.

And he just can't spit it out.

Well, but you know, so there was a baseball cap aspect to it, right?

He was wearing a baseball cap in the dignified transfer.

He was, he's been golfing and parting at Mar-a-Lago throughout this war.

And then we have this.

So just when you think that he can't do anything that is more inhumane, callous, inappropriate, not presidential and stupid,

he goes and proves me wrong and does it.

And the same thing is what he said about the, when he put out the tweet comparing the Obama's two apes, right?

That he hadn't seen it.

Well, okay, if you, you have sent out fundraising emails, you know that there's a lot of eyes that go through it before it gets put out.

So if there were people who did this and you didn't know and you hadn't seen it, then call them out, fire them, condemn what it was done, and apologize.

He didn't do it with the Obama's, he's not doing it here.

Well, I think, I think the other reality, it's true in every situation.

The tone is set at the top.

People follow the leader.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

And we'll talk a little bit more about this when we come back.

We were, welcome back.

We were talking about how you know who uses an image of a dignified transfer of fallen soldiers in a fundraising email.

And I, you know, I just, I don't understand.

I just, I don't understand.

These are human beings that are dying.

And y'all are acting like it's not a big deal.

This is a volunteer army.

We have volunteer, people volunteer to take care of this country.

And this is how you treat them and keep your hat on.

Yeah, but what about the part where it says I'm opening up spots on the national security briefing members.

Oh, yes.

I was like, are we getting on the signal chain now?

Like, can we all get the briefing?

Yeah, that's something.

I mean, you know, fundraising off of dead American soldiers from an unconstitutional and illegal wars is sick and undignified.

And, and par for the course with, with this president.

But what was really still playing, which he plays golf all the time.

What was really shocking to me was that in the fundraising email, one of them,

he promised donors private national security briefings by the president himself.

And then he says for the first time ever, I'm opening up spots on the national security briefing membership as a national security briefing member.

You'll receive my private national security briefings.

I, I mean, they're supposed to be for the president of the United States.

Not for Joe the Plumber.

I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense.

A lot about this administration doesn't make any sense.

But just remember, these are human beings and real fathers and mothers and brothers and sisters of people whose lives were snuffed out.

Because this man decided to go to war and not explain it to anybody.

Not explain what, what is the point of what we're doing?

Because you say you don't, you don't want regime change.

You're not going to do it.

And then here you are doing it.

And I'm sorry.

You know, it's just, I don't think people are buying your BS anymore.

I just don't think so.

I mean, we made a good point at the, at the break.

We were talking at the break and I said, I can't believe that the president didn't know that Iran's response to this would be to close the state of our moves and not allow tankers in.

And now our energy prices are going off the rails.

$8 a gas.

Very, very predictable.

And your response was, he was advised, I think, by Dan K.

But anyone who knows history, chief of staffs.

Absolutely.

Anyone who knows history would know, of course, they're going to close the streets of her movies.

You can agree with his decision that something had to be done about Iran.

But disagree with the decision-making process.

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Clearly, it overrode advice.

Clearly, it did not build support and understanding.

So now our allies are wondering whether they're going to help us clear the streets of all of us.

Iran was going to engage in asymmetric warfare.

This is existential to them.

Right.

And so they will use every weapon they have.

Right.

All predictable.

But this, I can tell you this, 100% sure.

Yeah.

If Biden or Obama had done this with a fundraising email using a photo of dignified transfer, Republicans would have set them on fire.

Yeah.

Correct.

Yeah.

All of the things we could bring up that if somebody else had done it, what would it have been?

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You know what this is?

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America's 250th anniversary is right around the corner.

And it's arriving at a time when some of our shared history is being raced from public viewing.

So Emmy-winning documentarian Ken Burns is keeping history alive with his latest series, The American Revolution.

And it tells the true story of what this nation was built on and has already surpassed four billion minute views.

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I think to believe in America, rooted in the American Revolution, is to believe in possibility.

That to me is the extraordinary thing about the patriot side of the fight.

I think everybody on every side, including people who were denied even the ownership of themselves,

had the sense of possibility worth fighting for.

Please welcome Ken Burns.

So you've been making documentaries for nearly 50 years about some of the most significant people and events in American history.

But you say you never work on a more important story than this.

Please tell people why.

Well, first of all, I think we're in this incredibly fraught moment where going back to your origin story helps you understand who you are, where you've been, what you actually came from.

But I also think the American Revolution is kind of smothered in bloodless, gallant myth.

And we just think it's guys in Philadelphia thinking great thoughts in 76 and 11 years later at the Constitutional Convention.

But it's not. It's a really complex bottom-up story that involves half the population women.

It involves 500,000 free and enslaved black people at the time when the population was between two and a half to three million.

It's all the native people who've been assimilated who are trying to coexist.

And those on the Western border that are just hoping, praying, that they're going to be able to hang onto their lands and their cultures.

And there's great tension.

It's a civil war, as bloody as any civil war.

And it's a world war. And it engages not just Britain, you know, ostensibly our enemy, but the loyalists at home, the French come in on our side as do the Spanish, as do the Dutch.

And I just don't think we sort of have the sort of ability to understand the entire scope of this.

And that's what we spent the last 10 years trying to figure out how to tell this complex story that we can all have purchased it.

Everybody, no matter what political persuasion, this is our origin story.

We know where we were born to I-41776, but we've let a lot of the real information atrophy about what it took to get there, how complicated and the wide variety of people who lived in the United States.

And all of the things that happened to make the revolution happen.

Well, Ken, you're kind of speaking to this, but one of the myths that's to spelt early on in the documentary is that the revolution was all about unifying Americans.

When, in fact, it resulted from and caused a lot of internal conflict.

And at a time where we are fraught and it's, you know, what could we learn from this?

Well, I think the one thing is that in the present we're all chicken littles.

You know, this is the worst time it's ever been. This is the best time it's ever been.

You know, we're in a fetal position. We were way more divided during the revolution.

We were way more divided in the civil war.

We were way more divided in the period after the civil war called Reconstruction and its collapse.

We're way more divided during the Vietnam period.

We were a divided people. Our nation is born in violence and the disagreements between think.

And we had a lot of people who fought and died to protect the British.

It wasn't just us against them. It's the loyalists that were amongst the population.

And I think everybody should stop and ask themselves, are you absolutely sure you'd be a patriot?

Because at that time the best former government was the British constitutional monarchy.

And this was a completely unknown, untried idea that had zero chance of success at Lexington Green

when the first shots were fired and yet six and a half years later at Yorktown in Virginia.

And yet, absolutely right, all of this division and you and I have done a lot of work together

in the semi-quincentennial the last three years.

America was started in Virginia, made in Virginia as we like to say.

However, one of the things that I think is also so worth celebrating right now

is that our nation began with this crystal clear, unequivocal statement of possibility.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed

by their creator with certain analienable rights.

And that possibility galvanized and inspired what is the biggest thing we should celebrate?

But we should celebrate that.

That's the great, I mean, I think that's second sentence of the Declaration of Independence is the second best sentence in the English language.

The first is, of course, I love you.

Really?

Right.

But that sentence inspired every movement.

I think the American Revolution is the most important event in world history since the birth of Christ

before that everyone lived under an authoritarian rule and they were subjects

and now we're creating something called citizens.

And that's what we should do.

And this woman here is doing an unbelievable job with the Virginia 250

and this July 4th will be an opportunity for Americans to reconnect with those founding principles.

That's what you do.

When you're in crisis to yourself, you go and you see somebody, a pastor or a professional

and the first thing to ask you is where did you come from?

What's your origin story?

Who are your parents?

What are you about?

And what we have an opportunity to do to dive into the story of what happened

is to come back on July 4th and reinvigorate this.

That's the way to end the division.

Let me ask you this because although 1776 was freedom for many Americans,

certainly wasn't freedom for these slaves and for black Americans.

So you also explore the hypocrisy of white American colonists who claimed they were being enslaved by the British

while they themselves held enslaved black people, right?

And those black people were often relied upon to fight for freedoms that they were never intended to receive.

That's exactly right.

So talk a little bit about that.

I know we're running out of time and that contradiction and the role that slavery played.

Well, it's huge.

In fact, a lot of people are drawn to this because, and they use the language of slavery

to describe what Britain's doing to them and they're holding actual slaves.

And this is a hypocrisy.

The interesting thing is the power of that sentence that Carly said,

even though they meant all white men, not any of you.

Probably younger.

It's not just white men.

It's a free of debt.

The cat was out of the bag because you had a disagreement with the British that suddenly becomes about natural rights.

All men are created equal.

As the scholar Maggie Blackhawk says in our film, it's deeply significant to people at the margins.

Women and black Americans and Native Americans.

And they know that the cat's out of the bag.

So people didn't talk about slavery up until the revolution.

And then that's all they talked about through the Civil War,

even today as we struggle to make sure that we judge people based on their content of their character

and not the color of their skin.

Well, you know, we've been here before.

We're probably in another 40, 50 years.

Be here again, but you know what?

Nobody tells it better than you do.

Thank you.

So you can stream all six episodes of the American Revolution right now on PBS.

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