Murder In Moscow: The Surviving Roommates Were Texting During The Attacks Per Sources

0:00What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Ever since news broke of the murders in Moscow, there have been a lot of questions about the surviving roommates and the surviving roommates behavior, jarring and after this attack. And while I never thought that the roommates were involved or anything like that, there are certainly a lot of questions that still need to be answered about the behavior of the two surviving roommates. But that doesn't mean that they should be bullied. You can have some questions and not be an absolute dick about it. I know a novel idea for some people out there. Today's article is from Inside Edition and the headline, Brian Coburger Murder Trial, Surviving students were awake in texting while roommates were a massacre. So right off the bat that headline makes you say to yourself, what the hell does that even mean? Were these two girls up firing off text to each other while this was all going on? And if so, why wouldn't they go

1:01and check on their roommates after hearing all this commotion? Now look, I'm sure that there's a logical answer for all of this, but I really don't have one. And as much as I'd like to give you some sort of reasoning for why they would have done this maybe, I just can't figure it out. And their behavior during these murders and in the direct aftermath is something that needs to be explained because there's no doubt about it. There is a lot of gaps here and there's going to be a lot of questions come time for trial. The author of this article is Chris Spargo. A father of one victim learned that the two survivors allegedly had not only been awake while the killings had taken place, but that they had heard everything. Reports air mail. The two survivors of the brutal University of Idaho murders were allegedly awake and on their phone texting as their four roommates were killed according to a new report. This information allegedly

2:03comes from Steve Gonsalvis, the father of victim Kayley Gonsalvis. He allegedly learned this information from an individual who served in the grand jury that voted to indict suspect Brian Coburger on four counts of murder in the deaths of Madison Mogan, 21, Gonsalvis, 21, Zanna Kernotal, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20. Yet Steve had been told that the two survivors allegedly had not only been awake while the killings had taken place, but that they had heard everything. Reports air mail, more astonishingly, his grand jury sources alleged that the two girls had been texting one another as the murderer methodically went from one room to the next. I have my doubts about how methodical it was. Like I've said before, I think this numnets went into that room thinking that only Madison was going to be there. And then after Kayley was in that room, it threw his plans into all kinds of chaos. And we got the result that we ended up getting.

3:06But I think the initial plan, and again, just my speculation, but I think the initial plan was for him to go in there and kill Madison Mogan. That was his goal for whatever reason, whatever distorted ass reasoning he came up with in his head that that was a good idea. I think that was his end goal. And when that goal couldn't be achieved, and he found Kayley in that bed, things went off the rails, and they went off the rails quickly. Now, does that explain why these girls would be texting each other in the middle of all of this carnage and chaos and not going to check on it? Not to me, it doesn't. But I also understand that we don't have all the context here to give us a clearer picture. So while it looks crazy and unanswerable, my guess is the investigators have went through all of this and they know what was going on and what these text messages were, what they were saying, what they were talking about, and all of that. And if there was any sort

4:07of signal that anybody else was involved, my hope is that the investigators wouldn't leave that part out and it doesn't seem likely that they would. So what I take from that is that we're not getting a full picture here and we don't have all the context. However, like usual, I leave enough headroom there for the investigators to have screwed things up. Because what, that would be the first time it's ever happened? The article goes on to claim that Goncalva's found a person who could explain the reason for this but was stopped from contacting them by the FBI. The witness had originally reached out to the authorities through a tip line that promised to protect the identities of anyone volunteering information, and the bureau was duty bound to honor that commitment reports, Eramel. And the letter went on to make clear with an intimidating force. The fact that Steve was the father of one of the victims gave him no dispensation from the legal consequences that accompanied tampering with a government witness. Yo, the government don't

5:12play. If you're out here tampering with a witness, they don't care who you are. You're going to be in a lot of trouble if you get caught doing that. Now, I don't think that Steve Goncalva's is out here tampering with witnesses, but that's what hotmail has to say. So we'll have to see what comes of it. Inside addition digital is unable to confirm any of this information due to a gag order that prohibits members of law enforcement, prosecutors, and the families of victims from speaking publicly about the case. Well, the families can speak now. Remember judge judge parroted back. Now they can't speak through the representative who is Shannon Gray for the Goncalva's family, but as far as I understand it, the family members are able to speak about what happened then about their deceased relatives. The Moscow police department said from the start that six people were sleeping in the off campus home on the night of the massacre. Yeah, I never bought that. Maybe sleeping at first, but I doubt people were sleeping through the whole entire ordeal.

6:16In the six weeks after the murders, however, police said that the two women who survived had been asleep according to the authorities. This information appeared in the daily updates that were handed out to the public and press prior to the arrest of suspect Brian Coburger. And we've been going through some of those police reports and updates from the time when they were happening. And I think that they provide a whole bunch of information. And I don't mean garbage information either. I'm talking directly from the police department. So you can go back and look at what their statements were and compare that to where the case is now. And you can get an idea of what's going on. And you can see the progress that was made or the missteps, maybe that have happened along the way. So it's always good, at least for posterity purposes to have that stuff available. That statement changed, though, on December 30th, when Corporal Brett Payne of the Moscow Police Department wrote in a probable cause, David, seeking an arrest warrant for Coburger that

7:20one of the women who survived the November 13th massacre saw someone that night. DM stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and those walking towards her. Says the affidavit. That, however, is a different account than what the NPD included in the daily reports it released on the investigation into the University of Idaho murders. Well, things could have changed pretty simple. And remember, the police are under no guidelines that says they have to tell us the truth. They can get up there and say whatever the hell they want. So I always take it with a grain of salt when the police are telling me anything about an investigation. Of course, you're going to get some information, right? But they're not going to give you everything they have. And that's just the way it goes. If they did that, they wouldn't solve any cases. The NPD update released to the press and public on November 20th reads detectives believe that on

8:26November 12th, the two surviving roommates had also been out in the Moscow community separately, but returned home by 1 a.m. on November 13th. The two did not wake up until later that morning. And we know now that that is not true. So any little thing that co-burgers team can dig into, they're going to dig into. But remember, this was all something that was evolving at the time. And the affidavit was just to show probable cause. The affidavit, obviously, isn't the be all end all of evidence that's going to be collected or presented against Brian Coburger. It's just the preliminary bit of evidence to make a judge say, all right, this is the guy. And let me sign off on this. 10 days later, painstated in his affidavit, that one of the surviving roommates was not only awake, but possibly, and I witnessed in the case. DM described the figure as five foot tenor taller male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows.

9:30The male walked past DM as she stood in a frozen shock phase says the probable cause affidavit, and that's all going to have to be explained. And guess what? The prosecution is going to have experts to do exactly that. The thing is, we just haven't heard from them yet. The male walked towards the backsliding last door, DM locked herself in a room after seeing the male, and DM did not state that she recognized the male. This leads investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene. Coburger had been scheduled to go on trial earlier this month, but there have been delays in the case. If convicted on any of the murder charges, he could face the death penalty. The 28-year-old, who prior to the murders, had been working on his doctorate in criminology at Washington State University, told a previous public defender that he expects to be exonerated at trial. In May, he declined to enter a plea after being formally charged with four counts of murder. The judge in

10:31the case entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. Well folks, when I told you that there was going to be a bunch of twists and turns when it comes to this case, this is the kind of thing that I mean. There's going to be a whole lot that said leading up to this trial, and there's going to be a whole lot that's inferred leading up to this trial. But it's at that trial where the rubber is really going to meet the road and where we're going to find out one way or another. If Brian Coburger is the man that the government is telling us that he is. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I-I-P-R-O-T-O-N-M-L.com. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.