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you're listening to a podcast from the word mark we have a statewordy and this is

courtesy of our own chum Jim Irvin excellent songwriter writer

great member of the the mojo team yet the parish was an old horse

hello old horse it's called ourselves a lot of all what we did it

conversed entirely in in P.G. Woodhouse drone speak anyway that kind of in-house

stuff I remember it word magazine to get smash hits we all used to call each

other man yes man how are you doing still in the girls we're called man anyway

this from Jim he says in an interview at the height of his fame at Mark

Bowlen was asked what he would be in 15 years time and he said a science

fiction writer who sings so as general reasons he couldn't predict the

explosion in the genre that the internet has brought along but many of his

song titles sound just like science fiction fantasy best sellers currently

available on Amazon Kindle okay yep and so he's given me quite a lot here

I guess 12 and so I'm going to whiz through them and you're going to have to

go Mark Bowlen or science fiction or the bobbin elf and science fantasy okay

you're just going to have a yell out first one tales of the feisty drew it is

that Mark Bowlen or is that science fiction science fiction it is science

fiction to the children of Ron the children of Ron is that T-Rex or science

fiction it's the elf it's the bobbin elf it is it's from the album T-Rex as

Nageel the mage as Nageel the mage is that science fiction fantasy or is it the

bobbin elf it is it's from profit season stages the angels the ages you

didn't very well so far Twilight Rebel number four Twilight Rebel that's

that science fiction it is science fiction it's by Annabelle Chase Johnny

Fizzuli and the trans finite reality engine is that T-Rex or is that

science fiction you'll find that in the bookshop dove it's I find out Kendall

actually is by Mookie Spitz dragon bones and tombstone science fiction

fantasy or T-Rex I think science fantasy it is you're absolutely like I got

100% yeah so far girl in the girl in the Thunderbolt suit girl in the

Thunderbolt suit is that Mark Bowlen or is I tend to say that science fantasy as

well you would be wrong it's a track from well and zip gun okay what did I say

painless persuasion versus the me talk immaculate bowling it is it's from

zinc alloy and hidden writers of tomorrow obviously and then sparkles of

blue sparkles of blue is that to Mark Bowlen or science fiction that's bone no

it's not it's right it rays and down you get it on the candle what about

pavilions of sun pavilions of sun I would have thought almost certainly science

fantasy no it's not it's from beard oh I've got I'm falling apart I'm unraveling

I'm a tremendous start let's see if you can gonna get wrench it back in the last

two rounds wall or the royal crocodiles wall or to the royal crocodiles is that

Mark Bowlen no that's got to be science fantasy no it's Mark Bowlen

for you unicorn and and finally

sovereign of the seven miles and no it's not it's a kind of I've got 100% right

far of it I've said wrong the second all went badly wrong I tripped up and so

thanks very much to Jim Irvin for that and if anybody's got any further

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Dave we talked to Neil Tennant the other day for the podcast was extremely

entertaining and I thought the whole element of what it was talking about

Englishness quintessential Englishness was really really fascinating is one

point where he's talking about his decision when recording West End girls in

whatever it was 1996 he had to cyber to rap in English or Americans then

decided to something I did to rap in English and decided obviously to rap in

English and the Americans just loved the American people involved in the

production it's like this is fantastic oh we love your accent like that

but I thought it was interesting that he was talking about no coward we were

talking about quintessential Englishness weren't we and I know that I've got

a little stack body for you another one yeah which is I know that these are

normally built around unconnected things that sound similar and these are

connected things that sound similar but I did think they're interesting and it's

the song titles a lot of his song titles fetch up boys sometimes are so so

the echo no coward so here's just a few right is this no coward or Neil Tennant

all right okay okay why do the wrong people travel well that's god is that no

account it is it is something to do with spring that's no

account yep a certain should say quite that has got to be the facial boys yeah it

is a bar on the piccolo marina that is no account yes I made my excuses and

left pet shop boys yeah what are we going to do about the rich it's good isn't it

you can hear it in the voice of either of you can go ahead pet shop boys it is

pet shop boys I wouldn't normally do this kind of well that's pet shop boys yeah it

is the former unformed terribler that reminds me of what is it that great

dick low joke about the former tour the forces forced to tour you forced to tour yeah

good grief I don't know is that pet shop boys that is the pet shop boys all right

the customer is always right that's got to be no good it is and Alice is at it again

Alice said that is no coward yeah you're absolutely that is honestly because that

no coward I no card the author of such deathless song titles as do you know that song could you

please oblige us with a Bren gun that's right I don't want my favorite don't let's be

beastly to the don't let's be the beastly to the just always something fishy about the

French and you couldn't recall these anymore I've been to a marvelous party is another

classic case it could be no coward yeah there's what we must all be very kind to aren't Jesse

London is a little bit of all right and chase me Charlie don't put your daughter on the stage Mrs

Werby ten is so good the so brilliant idea you know because they're all cases of could you could

you please oblige us with a Bren gun being in the classic case if you're written the the title

the song kind of takes care of itself it does you know because it you just got to build a clear

reading the title you have really only got to do it everyone when you do everyone's just

going to feel very warm all over does it absolutely but I thought it was just it made me think about

Englishness in songwriters and I scribbled down a can I suppose a long list of particular

songwriters particular acts that have a sense of Englishness about them for various reasons and I'll

try if you are and there's the streets there's a lovely street somewhere he talks about I stop

shocking for a minute to get chips and drinks and nobody nobody in English songwriter can

have written there there's madness father wears his son de best all that Camden brickwork there's

blur John gets brewers droop he gets intimidated by the dirty pigeons there's the jam jam a lot of

the wasteland by the jam and all that stuff about the the old houses left standing pre-war

overshadowed by the monolithic monstrosities the cancels call home so it's so English isn't it

time called malice remember the roast beef the co-op the milk floats squeeze arctic monkeys

the arctic monkeys who it had to be translated didn't they some of the songs in America that have

little things to tell you what these words were what is a maddy bum what is summit what's

nowt what can't be asked you know I tell you one a slightly slightly a tangent Roy Harper something

English about Roy Harper the pastoral sound of the David Bedford strings you know the old

crypto leaving his crease uh Vibstential my pink half the drain pipe no better song title or

expression sums up the notion of English suburbia my pink my pink half of the drain pipe keeps me

safe from you that's right same to remember is it that's right yeah it's life not books has taught

me all I've learned whoops in my oven my rice pudding is getting burned here have you seen the

new attachment on me drill I must have the cat put down because he's ill no that's that was

ripped by somebody living in Nashville you know so I don't know those are just a few I've got a

longer list here I'm sure you got those well what is English this it's about pronunciation it's

about it's about it's about brick built some well let's pose these it it it stands out because it's

in contrast to the kind of prevailing trend of popular music which is kind of blues than jazz

bass isn't it you know they're very tends to the natural tongue of it is is American isn't it

and so if you're not if a British performer decides not to do it that way it's suddenly very

English so so if you look if you listen to Beatles I mean lots of it's kind of kind of American you

know twist and shout and so forth and all yeah hold your hand but then when it's penny lane you

know well when I'm 64 or whatever you know coffee you know yeah I'll wipe whatever it's clearly

English that one of the things that tries to most most profoundly English note in the Beatles is the

way Paul McCartney sings the word customer in yeah customer customer I can't even do it

customer it's say it's it's faintly genteel northern you know it's customer and yeah and it's

funny I was at my list is slightly different because there's no you know count is clearly a huge

figure in this as as are two other performers who were similarly came to fame during the

Second World War George Fombie and Gracie Fields you know who very clearly identified in the case

of Gracie Fields and George Fombie with one very particular area of the UK you know one part of

industrial Lancashire really is what is what they sang about reflected but then you get you get

Anthony Newley an ad event in Newley you get David Bowie said David Bowie's first first record came

out the same day as Sergeant Pepper I think I'm right I'm saying and it's bad timing and it wasn't

perfect and one of his early songs I've always liked is very you know distinctly English love

you tools Tuesday I think it's on that that first record yeah and and also Pink Floyd you know

great chest of medals what aren't lame C.M. Lee play I tell you what's really English I think

you see on the first Pink Floyd album I'll say well I think it's on first one this is on called

bike oh yeah I've got a bike you can ride it if you like it is you think there is no American

no world whatever ever do anything like that it's a kind of boyish joke it is and and also the who

you know not in everything they did but things like happy Jack and moving into Tommy that's

that's very English and at the same time small facelies and at the same time the kinks and the

kinks start with you really got me and and it's all very kind of transatlantic rock and roll isn't

but then it changes halfway well the kinks the kinks are particularly English because they're

right about right there's rights about class and class is a unit almost uniquely English as a

post to America America people you're meant to find money and by race and by geography America think

the Americans think they don't have class but they do they do but just as clearly as anybody it doesn't

come with centuries of particular association you know and but I think that's interesting because

he wrote about both ends of a sunny afternoon in dead end street you know the whole thing about

dead end street the Sunday joint of bread and honey the two roomed apartment on the second floor

those are just fantastically although apartment is not an English word that's a completely

scanned I tell you what the another funny thing in the mid sixties is the rolling stones again you

know it's fast and get off my cloud all that stuff is all very American rock and roll but then

very often on the beach side play with fire do you know that's on play with fire a mother

she's an aeros owns a block in Saint John's wood and a father would be there with her if he

only could you know she gets her kicked in hackney not in stepney not in night play anymore you know

they always had that stuff lady Jane obviously from aftermath and it's really interesting if you

listen to between the buttons which I think it's the first record they made in 1967 I was listening

to the other day and it's got some of the songs are very distinctly English cool karma collected

miss Amanda Jones and those kind of thing attain the other one Herman's hermits yes

miss his brown you got a lovely brown written by do you know who wrote miss his brown you got

lovely daughter do you know this mark it's gonna be it's gonna be an actor or something

it is an actor it's like it's his name I can't immediately recall but he appeared in

Vicar of Dibbley as a member of the page oh yes I know the guy and he only died relatively

recent yes he did and he wrote miss his brown you've got lovely daughter from which if he had any

kind of publisher anybody listening but you know that picture completely that's right and then

you know and he must have made a fortune out of that if he had any kind of decent publishing deal

because there was a more one record in the United States and and you know cat Stevens

yeah a few and son all that it's it's it's very swinging learning you can see it you can

you can see you can see the red buses going by yeah Stephen's early songs the move

blightberry way I always think of it's being very very English and even the fire brigade I think

of it being English flowers and the rain is very English yeah um and like I said early on small

faces you know although there's switch you know so you get tin soldier which is kind of

cod gospel isn't it and then let's try after that or before that you get the universal which is

kind of lecture in the garden you know well small faces they capture I think I think lazy Sunday does

it brilliantly is that something about English is this idea of melancholy we were talking to Neil

about it and it's not a particularly melancholy song in fact it's very very upbeat but there is

something about that kind of rain streak to window pains and regret and nostalgia and better

times you think of it's very English I think it's the it's the bridge in if this isn't too specific

in lazy Sunday remember it slows down you hear the church bells there's something about church

bells which means immensely English you know mentally immensely melancholy because when you hear

the church bells it means that actually the weekend's sort of almost over and you gotta go back

to school or whatever you know so that's it and also I think one of the things the kinks got across

was the English thing that your house is your kind of Shangri-La you talk about now you found your

paradise your kingdom you command that for English people the home is incredibly important isn't it

and this was once explained to me by somebody in Italy saying that's because of the weather

the weather the weather's different in Italy you know you're out a lot of the time you're sitting

in the street in the evening you're watching people you're going to bars you're doing stuff

but in England you're you're you're back in your house you're at home we had we had a German

family come to visitors on never want this man sons pen friend or whatever and and when

they came in our our house it never couldn't forget this the the the woman of the family she

um she couldn't stop herself saying it she said oh what a lovely cozy English house

cozy cozy yes that's right small windows yes all all very very firmly shut cozy is the the

English sold craves coosiness and you know whether you mean the most English expression is

and it's in one of the pop records that we've mentioned earlier but I can't remember exactly

what it is but somebody will get in touch with us and tell us when I point out that the most

English full of words is as follows mustn't grumble oh yeah it's in the it's in lazy sunday

there you go there's one more we must mention I think which is Ian Deere because Ian Deere you

know Bill or Ricky Dickie you know I'm trying to imagine an American songwriter's looking at

kind of a rendezvous with Janet quite near the aisle of fan it she looked more like a

granite she wasn't half a planet you know well this is English isn't it place over pause it

plastic perpetrator she mentioned Burnham on crouch I get that image of of your pies and

mashing well I've been doing something about Essex is is you know it's only post hearing

in Deere that I've actually spent any time in Essex and so you you get to realize how specific

his points are you know the Essex not it's not just one place it loads different places

yeah and they're very very different Burnham on crouches it's very different from you know

wherever else and so he's very specific so you know it can be as much of a kind of imaginative

tourism for a Brit as it can for somebody in the United States you know because because there's

huge diversity within Britain in a very very small yeah very tightly packed geographical area

related to related to that Englishness I was thinking that much to say much about Len Dayton

Len Dayton who died at the age of 97 that's fantastic it was a lovely thing in the observer

this morning I'm holding up my copy of Funeral Limberlin my please see see that which I got

in about night whenever whenever that book came out 1964 there's a piece in the observer's one

where they reprinted some of those recipes he did in the 60s for the observer effect remember

that what shall it tell you the story that it's really interesting there's because I happen to

know as a friend of mine Adrian Bailey who was similarly well into his 90s who died last year

and he shared a flat with Len Dayton in the 50s and you know they were both they would be in

teenager they're born in the 20s both been teenagers during the war and so after the war they did

the national service you know in the Len Dayton's case he was in the RAF he was a photographer and

and and and and and then both Adrian and Len Dayton went to the Royal College of Art which is where

they met and and so they shared a flat after they've been and they're both working advertising and

they both had the same thing in common they were both illustrators and this was in the days when

advertising was not a question of photography it was a question of illustration you know could

you draw it you know your British Airways ad or whatever you have to be able to draw it and so

they could do this and in these two guys I never met Len Dayton but I don't know Adrian and talk

about nature's gentleman you know he was one of nature's gentlemen you know my my my doors is

absolutely a door Adrian and what these two clearly Adrian and Len shared this flat in I don't know

very early legendarily squalid sort of with no no no not at all oh because these two

chaps these two chaps had a skill which no other males had in London they could cook both of them

yes that's right so you imagine this they're young free and single they're healthy they got

nice jobs they're free spending and they can cook now this may think how much sex they must

well that to this relates to the Ipchris file because they've taken the observer this morning saying how

when the first reels of the the rushes of the Ipchris file were up they then Dayton got these

various and then the team got these various communications saying you know from the from the studio

saying they're very worried about the Michael Kane character you know firstly he's wearing glass

he's got to get rid of the glasses and secondly he cooks an omelette for a girl the girls should

be doing the cooking they go no no no no the girl immensely impressed by the girl is immensely

impressed by and it's the big thing is also the fact that Len Dayton it's Len Dayton's hand that

appears cracking the the eggs with just one hand because Michael Kane couldn't do it but I thought

that was so funny and they thought he was that the character of of Harry Palm was looking a bit

what they said was discovered as homosexual because yeah yeah which is absolutely extraordinary

no no the extraordinary so also Michael Kane I didn't find you this you probably did named the

character Harry Palm yeah because in the books I was just looking I was looking before we started

recording this a inferior limb Berlin and there's no mention of the of the characters name at all

it's just you know I or whatever you know the name was invented because they felt they had to have

a name because I said to Michael Kane what do you think and he said well I was at school with a

very it's got to be a really plain name it's got to be the complete polar opposite of James Bond

you know in every universe oh there that's quite a plain name in a way it is but it's Bond

I know Bond's got I went to college with a guy called James Bond are you kidding no there must be

loads of people called James Bond I've got to imagine going through life like that I've met a few

Michael Jackson along the way but yeah yeah it's just one of those things you know but yeah Harry

he said well I went to school with his very boring guy called Palmer so we'll have that and then

the producer Harry Soltz broccoli Soltz I mean broccoli wasn't it same guy because he was the same

that was the odd thing I think it was the same guys who did the Bond films you know is the Bond

I think it probably was actually the production team you know they've all do another spy thing

but it won't be like James Bond it won't be all gadgets it'll be it'll be down a teal and you

know bottles of milk on the on the step and so forth you know um but he said what about the first

day when he said to this guy he said well what about Harry and then he realized from the the

glare that he got back from Harry Soltz from that that was a bit offensive but Harry Palmer now

he named that which is amazing yeah I think Harry Polly's part of that tradition of English

British uh fictional characters Basil Faulty Scrooge Harry Potter Mr. Darcy Mary Poppins David

Brent you know you know you don't mean there are quite a lot of them other they are so damn mean

I'm like yes yeah definitely moon Fletcher Patsy from Ab Fab

Papa there's stereotypes you use that was she's a bit of a Patsy from Ab Fab you know

I mean he's a bit of a Scrooge he's a Mr. Bean you know it's interesting that anyway it's a hell of an

innings um London I was like extraordinary I cost you rates so many books you know even during

the early days when you know you know Ipcris file and these things were huge hits and he must have

made a lot of money because yeah the days when books sold a lot of copies uh but he kept on doing

it you know he was turning out one every year you know well they were international sellers too

weren't they they were just too huge but I've heard the movie really the movie is really really

but also a then went on to do these his books about uh wartime you know bomber and goodbye

Mickey Mouse and so forth which are fantastic books really good books you know he kept going for

for absolutely years extraordinary character

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you're tired of the Beatles you're tired of life so this week in 1963 the Beatles first album

please please me came out and it's it's interesting to recall George Martin's original plan for

what the color was going to be he had some idea they were going to go to the insect house at

London zoo and I can just think I just think about it God bless George Martin you know

the Beatles have so much to be grateful to George Martin for but there is a case where they have

every reason to be more grateful to the London Zoological Society for saying no you can't

that doesn't seem typical of him at all because he was such a far-thinking person you know to say

Beatles let's play on word a word on that terrible name you know it seems to be the most

short-sighted and ridiculous faddish thing to do but they were and it's it's got the stage now

the kind of misspelling or the little bit twist in the spelling is so well established now we

we have to kind of stop and remind ourselves of it don't worry there was a pun there yeah a pun

a type of music was going to going to be all over it about three months and of course the actual

cover was shot by the great kind of surrealist theatrical photographer Angus McBean who was

like a character of an healing comedy had everything but a monocle kind of five robots and beard

and it just turned up and met them at EMI House as it was called and those things mentioned

square and said oh there's the stairwell just got there and look over the stairwell and he lay on

his back in reception just fired off a bunch of exposures and there was the most the most memorable

the most you know kind of pasty you should help them cover you know absolutely everybody's done

it it's just in keeping with all the other things in keeping with Abbey Road isn't it the Abbey Road

shot there are any where there are only six frames taken five in which they're completely out of

stepping on useful one miraculously there is that yeah I love that about them it's just that's

sort of just wonderful to cheer good fortune wasn't it oh he was one of the one of the very few

cases where they went back and did it again didn't they at the end of that career when

then it was that was supposed to be the original cover and get back wasn't it wasn't I think

I think there wasn't or let it be or wasn't it a real idea it was going to be it was going to be

the cover anyway make you think of kind of those deliberate misspellings you know and

and the ones we're still aware of and the ones that we're not and when you know when people

think of the monkeys do they think oh it's too easy to the end no because you've just accepted it

although I think if the monkey's been spelled as normally it would have had absolutely none of that

can I use the word magic as much I probably can I should love the monkeys and the birds is a

really good example to there wasn't a group called the birds of course but then I Ronnie Wood was

in it wasn't it was the birds the why in the birds it gives a mistake doesn't gives it a mistake

and it makes it feels like it might have sort of made the evil route well yes the best example of this

black crows have been spelled without the e that would have been a really conventional really

lead name I think but somehow having crows spelled with an WES even when you look at it it's

transformational it connects them with a kind of a you know medieval murder ballad tradition or

something you know it just gives them another dimension I think there are certain bands that really

works for I think there are certain bands it works against deaf leopard I've never felt good about

deaf leopard at all because of the way they're spelled which is absurd

could Tony a Led Zeppelin thing really isn't it it's kind of you know it well accepted it's got

both words kind of really misspelled which is kind of odd yeah deaf leopard I too was an odd one

that I've never had explained to me properly is Shakespeare's sister yeah I figured that that must

have just been an era by a graphic designer who left you all either oh no I mark I will not have

that obviously an oracle isn't there's any graphic designer who couldn't spell proper

because I was it with our obviously an oracle but it came out and they tried to kind of

front it out a bit go yeah no it's delivery yeah we just thought obviously and you know

and then we went no it's a mistake but we're stuck with it now I think it was a mate of theirs did it

didn't it there's a favor I love things like that because there's a bootleg by a little feet called

is it called electric light like and throw yeah it's right which is just somebody just put

electric wrong putting it in these days and those days it was all done by a letter of satney it didn't

grow on trees letters I know so somebody deliberately put it in the wrong order they must have run

out of season I put it away with that now you know why the first you know the title of the first

ELO album in in the United States you know this it's called no title and that's and that's because

they just wanted somebody am I in Britain to confirm that it didn't have title and so the person

made the phone call just left a posted note saying no title and and so it was done up as ELO

no title it actually had a furious thing but he'd be furious with you wasn't what was the

what was the monkey song was it Randy Scouse get the came out as alternative alternative

alternate title alternate title well because Randy's name for it's kind of old one I think it was

only I think isn't it called Randy Scouse get brackets all turn it title something

like that because Randy Scouse get now there may be people there will be people mark who are not

like I wish this again not as old as you and I who don't know why it was ever called Randy Scouse get

so this is song I don't think contained Randy Scouse get anywhere in the lyrics does it you know

it's years since I've heard it but it was based on the character the Anthony Booth played

yet can you connect the monkeys with the prime minister the United Kingdom in the

anime you can do it till death is too part the main character was the father Anthony Booth of

Sherry Blair married to Tony Blair the period there you go and and he used to refer to by

Althgana play by Warren Mitchell as you Randy Scouse get and so and so this became shorthand for

an all manner of profanity so this is when 1667 something like that and so it was called

you couldn't call it Randy Scouse get in Britain because it meant something oh yeah in America

it didn't mean I've told you're hence there are loads of people called Randy it's a little bit like

calling a record wanker in the United States you go away with it because people don't know it's

having the Christian name horny that's right yeah anyway yeah um so yes that was it was an

odd one yeah Randy Scouse get I must go and play that after with what a strange idea this is word

in your ear down the rock and roll rabbit hole since 2007 and we joined by Alex Skold is

when it was selection of a wine shirt looking rather like rye cuder it's about to launch into

get rhythm don't think Mark that was exactly what I was going for so I'm glad you said that

it works I'm glad the sunny shiny Warwick shirts efficiently for you to be going them

oh I'm sure it's a bit chilly down in one it's a lovely day up here it's a little bit nippy but

it's it's sunny enough for me to wear a floral piece very good very good what you've been doing

this week Alex I've been in sessions and gigs and I've said most sessions sessions Alex

Gold in session it's not a session I've spent no talking in sessions we're going for a drink next

week oh yeah we're exciting how many drinks do you think we will have when we meet and I can

really go ask it too do you think they make them as high glasses oh will it be three because

I tell you why I ask because I've just been reading just finished get in the book by Patrick McGuire

and Gabriel Pogrand at other times about the Starmer government you know the whole Starmer project

which is terribly good but it's punctuated by people going to the pub you know which is fair

enough people go to the pub on occasions people go to the pub they have six pints I think if

I had six pints I'd be you have to arrest me when I worked at the end of me in 1978 was a guy

who shall remain nameless Danny Baker no and they're not Danny Baker I know you used to get it the

film section used to go and have to the gallon sometimes can you imagine that the comeback

I never snooze you see if I have two two two pints I mean I'm all right if I had three I would

be slurring my words we may be finding out the truth of this on Tuesday night and whatever it is

the where we're we're getting together to but I'm very much looking forward to be right next

how an actual gossip life what have we been what have we been doing we're doing this week anybody

been doing anything interesting at all I tell you I've finished that book but get in I happen to

read talking of things we've been listening to I happen to read an old copy of zigzag from 1970

oh yeah which contained into it interview with Jimmy Page and it just said were you been listening

to Jimmy and it's so interesting you know this is right in the thick of led Zeppelin the design

of stoward heaven this houses the holy and all that sort of three things have been listening to

it mean listening to Legion leaf by Fairport Convention

you mean listening to Jack Orion by Bert Yann should record and you've been listening to

beacon from Mars from kaleidoscope have you ever heard kaleidoscope the American kaleidoscope

they kind of fell apart before the legend never really took took off and so they're only

possible to catch them in respect but they're they're so interesting you know it's so kind of you

know playing bowl can music with really unusual instruments and so forth and so I thought how

have I got any kaleidoscope records I think I have do you know how many of us you're going to say

got 70 I've got four I've got four I've got four hot kaleidoscope it's amazing so I played all I've

played all yesterday while we were pulling out the carpet and they're all absolutely fantastic

and I just thought it's not wonderful to have those things work Jimmy Page says that to zigzag in

1973 all the easiest later 53 years later I find that copy zigzag via a PDF I read it and I go

kaleidoscope I listen to them and that's my evening taking care of isn't that brilliant that's

really lovely it's good isn't it is anybody else been listening to I listen to well apart from the

the thing that took up a bit of time the other night was watching rewatching cabaret David

fantastic oh yeah yeah I cannot care over what a good film cabaret is and how brilliant

lies have been out of the years as an actress and singer the songs the choreography everything the

way it songs reflect what's going on in the drama it's just brilliant no I was inspired by

something Alex said the other day he sent us both a text saying he was playing a gig and he was

supported by an indie group and saying how he he wondered if he wasn't too old for India I

think well I must have been too old for India for a long time and then I was reading a review by

Alexis Petridis of the Guardian he was talking about a group called the Cribs oh it's a like

I thought I love the Cribs I love the Cribs yeah Johnny Mar was in the Cribs for a little bit was

yes he was so I listened to selling a vibe by the Cribs and I'd say I wasn't too old for India at

all I thought it was great is that new is that new in India what's that is that new India or

old it's kind of old India the Cribs have been around for a while yeah yeah oh yeah yeah no

20 25 years so don't any but it's their new the latest record oh right no that a new indie bad

no no no but I thought it said because you associate that with all that kind of slackers

underachievers and you know unambitious low ceiling you know and I just thought there was really

good it's really good it's so it's it's bouncy it's punchy it's melodramatic so we're given

people all kinds of hot tips collider scope 1967 the Cribs 2026 oh I've got one for you actually

I know I'm getting into this week it's it's a duo from Quebec called on Jean de Poitrine and

is that a dish what it sounds like starter it sounds like Poitrine doesn't it which is a Canadian

gravy and chips basically so it's a duo the one plays a a double necked guitar I think seven

string guitar and six string bass hybrid the other one plays a drum kit I don't like the sound

of that I've got to be honest a double necked guitar yeah it's these and they wear these weird

sort of alien costumes that make them look like the clangas had the clangas discovered

mind altering substances they were in in black and white polka dot it's a bit like if the white

stripes and royal blood and wolf peck discovered they had some distant cousins that lived on a

planet's dog because they there's that there's no vocals and when they speak in interviews they just

make alien guttural noises and they play this call weight mark yeah and they play this sort of

weird odd time signature funky math rock it's weird and it's got odd time things you know

that didn't expect that at all I thought it was going to be forked to the floor

really don't just go just go crazy you should hit the ballad but they sound like nothing I've

heard ever I don't think and you know you're reminding me of mates who always want to want to

appear different I found a little corner here that no one else is in genuinely don't forget

like my life is so full of stuff that sounds kind of broadly similar but when I do come across

something that sounds completely different it blows my mind because because I've got to spend time

inside it as well you know and you do get a little bit bored and and the you know I'll probably

I don't think I could listen to a full album let's put it that way that's a dip in and out of

it's it's fascinating to me because I can't figure out how they do it and that for me is

these days that's where the appeal lies because I can work out broadly how most music is put together

because I've reversed the engineered lots of it but this stuff it's just it's so unknown I've got no

idea how they come to the conclusion that they can do that with that and it's just yeah maybe it's

just me probably is but what are they called again on Jean de Poitrine you try remember the first

try remember that next time you're in our prize mark so what else have we got to tell people

about if they told me at the Steve naive podcast was out which is very good yes Neil tenon which

I think it's it's just up as it's been up for right to this the attempt terrifically entertaining

really really rollicking conversation about all the songs that he'd been writing and started

writing at the age of nine which did interest me because I think you meet people occasionally

think I'm gonna go on a media studies course I'm gonna learn how to write songs my feeling about

all these things that being a writer if you weren't writing when you were 10 or 12 you weren't writing

songs when you were 10 or 12 were you ever destined to really do it I'm not sure I think those

things are in you all your life Neil was literally writing songs wasn't he from the age of nine

onwood yeah there are there are no cases surely of people taking up these things

yeah you can't decide to be a writer at the age 25 if you've never written before

no I can't yeah it's got to be news you've got to be doing it impulsively you habitually yeah

it feels forced to do it well it applies to anything doesn't it yeah yeah yeah so it's interesting

because that's education dealt with because that doesn't know good at all it simply gets in the way

doesn't it yeah there's people start doing this stuff without being encouraged by you can't do it

you might learn how to do it slightly better and I'm doing slightly differently but the basic

ability to do it in the first place I think you probably have to have inside you I may be wrong

yeah whereas people nowadays go go to the courses to learn how to be a comedian

so you think you can use the laugh for me when I say true okay so we've got to plug the Patreon

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your ear fire and that honor this week goes to Alex Johnny Ren and now it's time for word in your

ears birthday guest of the week so Johnny belated happy birthday to you once you once you're

a log that you want to throw on the word in your ear fire so it's about bands reforming there's a

lot of that going on at the moment and it seems that it's rare now that we listen to one of your

shows and there isn't a report of someone leaving us for the great gig in the sky yeah yeah and

it's and it's kind of made me wonder how how many classic lineups I left um on who who is left to

reform and yeah how far back can we go that that was kind of where I mean I've done a list I've

got a little list of right I've done a bit of research myself and I didn't want to just go I

thought if we sort of work backwards from the 70s we can kind of lie narrow down and then see

if we can get to the 60s well yeah I don't think you get to the 60s oh I'm you God

I started looking at this interesting this actually I started looking at this and I think well God

I can get Elvis Costello in the attractions could reform now yeah you don't know what the health

situations of the world are whether people retired or whatever talking ahead could look ahead could

head 10 cc could reform that's a good one didn't have that yeah now and genesis

genesis could reform now Felix Phil Collins is is back playing isn't he yeah you know humanly

could reform yes yes if it wasn't for and I was hoping if it wasn't for the death of Rick

led the bass player the marvishnu orchestra could reform oh that's a good one because Billy

Cobbon Jan Hammer you know what about Jonathan Richmond and the modern lovers oh well there's

different line-ups now there's an interesting point I don't know I don't know but I'm pretty sure

the golden hearing could because I don't think any members of golden hearing have departed

and they were going weren't they for 52 years 1961 to I think 2021 2022 something like that

with the original line which is incredible that is I think I think they may still

if they wanted to I think it might be possible which is incredible really I'm feeling out of my

depth already here what have you got what have you got I knew I knew YouTube the people to ask here

so yeah I golden hearing not one that's in my my retrospect right I love the reason why it should be

so yeah 70s you've come up with quite a few new ways they obviously blondie can no longer

the police did which was quite disappointing I saw him at twigling with one of the most

disappointing things I've been to actually the jam can no longer but then I started to think

in about early 70s and roxy music the brines are there that's true what are they all there Paul

Tom Paul Tomson yes I think he is yeah Phil Madden there I'm not sure because the bass player

of rock well the bass player was only there for one record wasn't it yeah yeah Graeme Simpson

is or whatever I yeah right so I suppose that so the classic lineup of roxy would be the

if the aforesaid group so so they're there a possibility yeah and the the other one from the 70s

glam rock is of course slayed yeah there's still there apparently starting 66 that line up so

where we're we're going back a bit yeah now that's that's a good one you know I didn't thought

all that go on yeah yeah but I think it's just Dave Hill now isn't it who's kind of like doing

the final final yeah I think they have a complicated relationship yeah I'm not sure there's a lot

of Christmas cards explain yeah I don't think you're on the phone every 20 minutes thing has the

misses I don't know but because the other question is um it's not so much can they reform would anyone

want to see them I think slayed the original lineup yes um don't god yes proxy music as well um

but uh and then someone I was I was in the pub on Friday and mentioned this to a few mates and

few of them have been sending me ideas and someone mentioned um as it was a mate you said

proxy music and uh but someone mentioned ELO and oh well it depends which I mean the the very

first ELO is is what it's it's Bev Bev and Roy Wood and and Jeff Lin isn't it isn't it yeah I

think I think it was I don't even think rich it's still touring and uh so still still playing

so yeah maybe you could maybe you could yeah um so um going pre 70 so 60s wow very very tricky very

um because all the classics we all know um like so the who the stones the tools yeah um and I the

one that I thought was um the kinks so I looked into the kinks of course you got the super

brothers um you've got me caveory yeah I don't remember who the bass player what

peak wave peak wave yeah I think there's still around there's still around yeah I'm going to do

some live googling and podcast yeah stay with it listeners yeah absolutely so we're now doing

the countdown um the hollies I thought um oh well that's an interesting one do you know that

well now Alan Clark Graham Nash Tony Hicks um Tony Elliott drummer and and then now the early

bass player left him was replaced by a guy out of Bern Elliott and the fanman whose name I

can't remember people if they're longer with us by the way yeah I think so yeah it was um Eric

Hado was the Eric Hadock yeah Hadock God that's a good that's good call this though so

yeah it wouldn't it wouldn't it wouldn't be far off he wouldn't go away so um yeah so that was probably

if you lurk you with a searches or the big three or well searches just retired last year didn't they

they did that's right they played the last ever show and they went entirely the original searches

because I think one member left early on but hollies are not far off yeah yeah so um yeah so the one

I've got here um I think yeah well don't have sort of like pay me my trump card too early go on

good but manfred man oh now good work good one that's very good so are they okay yeah so

Tom McGinnis my call Paul Jones man from man my hug Mike Vickers that's the line up that was

the line up between 62 and 66 who appear in the words of the song hey hey the manfred song

do they I think we do and my hug wrote which legendary TV theme that we're only talking about

the other week with somebody else who was a birthday guest he wrote uh whatever happened to

the like of that's the the theme yes he did I love man from man the original man from man that's

very good because actually we told to Paul Jones not that long ago didn't we and he was going on

tour he's in touch I kind of was 82 or something you must be three or four now he was going on tour

with the manfred and and and we were trying to persuade him that they ought to start a show with

five four three two one because he said we didn't know what opening number oh you've got to begin

with five four three two one because he does it with uh Mike Darbo they have both the singers from

man from man do they and uh right who did about who did a very good version of handbags and

that all right I was glad I might Darbo wrote it he wrote it Chris and followed did a version

yeah he wrote it he wrote it so man from man is a very man from man I think

I think we should make something of this and try and encourage some of these people to think about

it yes I have honestly slayed but um hell may have to freeze over obviously for various

these things to happen but there we go was a bit of a difficult character I I've been led to

believe that maybe they didn't quite get on who is that man from man himself

uh all right I could be wrong and you get you can't reform man from man without man from man

well that doesn't really happen so it's that it happened quite funny he was the only person not

as you know it's quite music so I mean I did think about the shadows um because well the shadows

well not obviously Jared and Jared Harris original bass player and not John Austin who was the

second bass player yeah well you had Brian Lickrish locking locking Brian Lickrish locking

he was in summer holiday he was there just for about a year or something but was that right

he died a few years ago but right Hank and Bruce and uh and Brian Bennett the drummer

they're still with all still yeah yeah that my first gig I ever went to was the shadows in

the early 80s when they were very unfashionable right um oh the the the the the place on

pre-admission probably yeah uh you know what I think it was I think it was I think it was like two

and six and ten um they was he was great little chef for a uh a budding guitarist but they

absolutely absolutely nothing wrong with the shadows at all so have we and we got a

clincher or is there is that that's as far back as I go but I think I think you've gone

for you've done very well there I thought you well you've done better than I'm like quite excited

about the prospect of some of these actually well I wanted to happen yes and the holies

particularly it's wonderful yeah there was a jump at it before about the holies which I watched

that year or so ago and um yeah really really interesting story you know it's not one I'd paint

much attention to but I saw the holies live three times three times master they're all really

they're a really good life really really good like they got all sing and they could all play

great honest and then the whole thing was three part harmony was the kind of USP wasn't it

so Cosby Sills is a national no great departure no absolutely very good that's what's on it

Johnny thank you very much for that um we loved it and I'm sure there will be other people

a you know dialing in with oh I think you'll find all members of you know I don't know

Pinkerton's assorted colours yeah still still there and the actual members of Pinkerton's

sort of colours probably type of hoping that the others might get the message let's do it

so Johnny thank you very much for joining us and happy birthday this podcast was brought to you by

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