Nathan Wilson on Essenes, Therapeutae & Second Temple Gnosticism

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It is an honor and a pleasure to be joined by Bishop Nathan Wilson.

Nathan, thank you very much for coming on the show.

Thank you for having me, Miguel.

It's a great honor.

Very great honor.

So I'm happy to be here.

Honours all hours.

I enjoy all your videos.

I know longer than much on TikTok because I felt I was using it too much.

Very addictive.

But I always enjoyed whatever content you put out,

even on your YouTube channel.

So love your Gnostic takes.

And with us too, we've got the Moondog Vans.

Vans, how are you doing?

Are you ready to pledge your soul to Zameer?

Oh yeah, Zameer, he's my favorite.

He lives down the street from me.

Yeah, if he knows Tony Soprano, he's somewhere here in the USA.

Well, awesome, everybody.

Good to see everybody in the chat.

Gay Graham, how are you doing?

Good to see you, Christina Marie.

Yes, that was AI voice.

It was not me, but it's getting better.

Good to see you.

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How are you doing?

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if you have any questions, please super chat them.

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I know Christina Marie is on Patreon.

And of course, if Graham has a question or any of those two,

we will get to them for sure.

So, but enough, enough housekeeping for now.

Let's get on to who you are, Nathan.

Tell us, how did you become interested in these

narcissistic ideas and there's narcissistic heresy?

Well, I grew up Christian and I guess

messing around them being atheist, wanting to come back for something.

I found the gospel of Thomas.

And from there, I've never really looked back.

I started teaching, fair enough, some stuff.

I was wrong about lessons learned.

Life is a journey.

And I linked that with, that was then the

Nostoc Catholic Union, which you're familiar with Miguel.

And then people got older, retired,

and I took charge.

I changed it to the Nostoc Union because most people

misunderstood the Catholic part

when they used it for the Latin reasons universal.

And I wanted the book, bring it into all Nostoc thoughts together

and welcome every single one.

Because well, it hates us enough.

Like what Jesus said.

You know, we're not this world.

We're, we belong somewhere greater.

So, rebirth brought me into this.

And I haven't looked back and I love this life.

And I find Nostocism is the answer to all the Abrahamic faiths

and has the potential.

And I see it as the only philosophy in this sense,

having potential will bring world peace.

If this world had all Nostocs, it would be very peaceful.

Because there's different thoughts of Nostocs that got along.

So, exchanging ideas.

Yes, the way humanity should be, community.

For sure, for sure.

So, beyond the Nostoc community,

what attracted you to Nostocism?

What are theologies and ideas that you found engaging?

Well, I wanted to know Jesus.

If you want to know the man we call Jesus,

Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yehoshua, whichever term you like,

you're going to have to find Nostocism.

You want to go to the early Christianity,

you're not going to escape Nostocism.

You're going to find this for for.

So, I start of translating as well.

And I start looking at the Codex Nanakas as well as other texts and fragments,

making replicas and whatnot.

And I found great differences.

I've had so many Nostocs who don't worry about the New Testament,

but there's so much Nostocism in it,

especially when you look at the original language.

Moses has been censored the word.

Megas has been censored.

So much mistranslations.

You find Jesus receiving Moses,

with Nostocist understanding other people's thoughts.

It's just wrapped with Nostocism.

If you look at early Christianity,

it was regarded as a Jewish heresy,

and it was a Nostoceracy.

So, even Jews today will still argue not,

but some will still state that it's a Nostoceracy or pagan.

But Nostocism goes back further than what's well as like the Codex Protonostocism.

So, all this led me to my understanding of Yehoshua.

And to understand Yehoshua is also to understand the message of that,

his time, his faith,

and being a Nostoc is ultimately

implying those teachings into your own life,

become a cross-like for yourself.

Similar to Buddhism, become like Buddha yourself.

So, it's a philosophy that is real changing.

So, it's fantastic.

So, text I really stress to people to study.

As Nostocs did, they studied all religious texts,

finding Moses within all spiritual knowledge.

For sure.

I know what are some of your favourite Nostoc texts?

Do you have any particular favourite ones?

Not a few.

My favourite is the Gospel of Thomas.

Because of its age, I love the Greek one.

Even though it's not much left of the original Greek,

it's very fragmented.

The Coptic one is obviously beautiful.

I love the Gospel of Judas, very fort-provoking.

Gospel of truth,

which some state to be written by Valentinius.

I don't mind some of Marcions writings too,

even though they're mostly recoveries.

I love all Nostoc texts really,

but my personal favourite is Thomas, Mary, Judas,

and the Gospel of truth.

That would be my favourite.

I'm Philip.

I think I'm Philip.

Yeah, for sure.

I think I would agree with most of those.

What about the idea of evil?

Do you, where are you more or less on the spectrum?

Are we in a prison planet?

Trap are evil archons?

Or is everything okay?

Where do you stand on the Odyssey?

Well, a bit of a mix in the sense.

I think there is evil.

I was one for that.

It was just mankind.

But I think there's ultimately there's two.

I think there's spiritual goodness and there's the dark side of it.

I think that the Demi are what we call as the root of all evil.

That's the source of it all.

So I see that as what you could call

leader of fallen angels if you want or

leader of archons.

Like archon itself can mean ruler.

So I see that as being political as well.

Not just spiritual,

but I see these people that rule our nations

also being influenced by these beings too.

But ultimately we can take on that light too.

So we can choose.

So it's duality.

I don't see this earth as credit by anything evil.

I see it being a state of fallenness in a sense,

being corrupted by us in a sense and political rulers

and archons corrupting us.

So that's my view on that.

But I see it as having.

It's go to order to live.

You have to die in a sense.

So what's dark?

You can bring lightness in it free will as well.

So I like the saying in the wisdom of Solomon,

which I was going to mention in our text that is.

By the devil depended the world.

And those who belong to it experience it.

So what you define is death.

I'm not talking about just the meme auto death.

I'm talking about the spiritual death and the spiritual rebirth.

So I think we're all spirits.

We don't just belong here.

I think this planet is here to serve to bring about a higher mind,

a higher organism.

You see evolution.

I think that's all tied in with it.

So maybe a bit mixed on that sort of stuff.

I'm modern in a sense as well.

So I do take on the ancient forethought

and schools of thought of domestic Christians.

So there were many diverse thoughts.

It's like the demi-erge.

Not all had the belief of even the name demi-erge.

Some usually are to be off.

Others didn't believe in a physical demi-erge,

but rather symbolic for our own ego,

especially in a modern day.

Others believed in a not quite fully evil demi-erge.

And the orders of God, others believed in a fully evil demi-erge,

creating this whole entire earth

and believing this earth is all messed up in a prison planet.

You know, I see it in a mix.

I see it as the soul being somewhat making its own prison reincarnation.

But I see it ultimately as also a learning experience

to you in order to ascend.

So I'm very dualistic in that sort of sense.

Makes sense.

Well, thanks for sharing that.

So yeah, what I like about your work.

And as we're going to discuss,

you've done a lot of work on what you might call a second temple.

Nosticism, most people,

there's probably still believe in the traditional mainstream story

that you know, you had one Judaism,

and then temple falls, second temples.

Still one Judaism,

couple of sex here and there.

And then Christianity sort of sprouted out of that one Judaism

with Jesus and His followers.

And that was it.

And then later on,

second century, third set,

then came the Nostics to ruin everything, right?

That's sort of the conventional wisdom.

But as you've discovered,

and we definitely want to keep sharing,

that is not the case, right Nathan?

Yes, very much so.

That's a horrible theological

brainwashing of the Roman Church.

So if you are on a mind getting straight to the subject,

it's basically unknowing to many Christians,

as you just mentioned,

unknowing to many atheist Ethan,

unknowing to many Jewish people,

and unknowing to many Muslims.

Indeed, just many people of the modern world,

there were many different forms of Judaism,

second temple, period Judaism.

So it was diverse, not only different sex,

but different torres,

different versions of the Jewish Bible,

and individual texts that were accepted by one group

and rejected by others,

different views of God and God's,

or their understanding of God would greatly differ.

So one of my personal favourites are the Makaria,

or the Magerites.

They were a Jewish proto-Nostics set,

which is what scholars like to use.

Jewish mystics is a better term,

because before we were given the word

Nostics, we were just Jews or Christians.

So I argue this group would be the ancestors of the Essenes.

They were first century BC Ereceptor for Jesus' time.

They worship El Elion,

being the most high God,

unknowable God, so not a name, but a title.

So they believed that this God was unknowable,

that unknowable father,

too perfect to directly interact with matter directly.

So under the orders of this most high God,

the demi-erge who was kind of ignorant of this God

was Yahweh.

And alongside the angels,

creates the earth and humanity.

They believed that the Torah and the Jewish Bible

were corrupted,

and that's why they had different sex as well.

Pretty fascinating group.

They lived in caves,

so they were called cave dwellers.

They also lived in the wilderness.

They viewed, as mentioned, the Torah being corrupted,

so they wrote their own text,

told their own prophecies,

and liked the Essenes practice regular baptism.

Then we had the Theraputite,

who some can say in Essen, but...

The margarites having margaritas in their caves.

Yeah, it's interesting.

They were from that area, right?

Palaces.

Yes, yes.

They were from the main center of Judea,

but they were also in Galilee.

They were also rolling around Egypt.

They were very diverse.

So there were different subgroups and different sex as well.

So similar to the Theraputite having different subgroups as well.

So...

But Margarita...

So Margarites, sorry, my bad.

We had a pizza place called Margaria.

So similar to Margaria with the name.

Spell bit different, but beautiful.

But we had the Theraputite as well.

Another Jewish mystic sect,

or proto-nostic,

which they lived in Alexandria, Egypt.

They had their own type of monastery.

They had female or male teachers.

They got confused by Christians in the second century,

as Christians, but they are pre-Christian in the origin.

They are Jewish mystics.

So they were like the Nostek Margarites, I like the call,

in the pursuit of noose or spiritual knowledge to escape this material world.

So they had their own communities.

And most likely, like the Margarites,

had their own subgroups or even individual beliefs within their own movements,

which wasn't unusual for later Nostek Christians especially.

So we had the Essenes,

multiple different forms of Essenes, various subgroups.

They were mystics, but they were apocalyptic.

Some were very zealot.

Some were pacifist and some in between.

Ready to fight and others,

only when necessary or wouldn't fight at all.

So they practiced regular baptism.

They were vegetarian.

Some were pescatarian.

So it just eating fish, some didn't view fishes, meat,

but rather just basically split in half and didn't have sex.

Very trippy belief that carried on to many full times.

And more importantly, they worship El Leon as the most high god and viewed Yahweh as the lesser god.

So they viewed Boliol as the adversary against god and the fallen angel.

So if you look at Deuteronomy 32.8 in their text,

it states that Yahweh inherited Israel from El Leon the most high god,

who devised the nations according to the Elohim.

So sons of El had in Canaanite religion, 70-80 children.

So this right to Canaanite tribe, people was a Canaanite language.

So I have to take into account that we had the Samaritans,

not often spoken about.

So some were mystic, others were Orthodox,

some worship Yahweh, others worship El,

others worship Yahweh alongside the Canaanite gods,

while the mystics worship El Leon the most high.

So others that were Orthodox worship Yahweh,

and they only accepted the first five books of Moses,

their Torah, their own version of the Torah.

They had their own holy mountain,

they viewed that as God's dwelling place

and they rejected the Jewish temple.

They had their own temple that was destroyed by the Jewish people as well,

previous wars.

Then we had the Sadducees, a Hellenistic Jewish sect,

wealthy political party.

They only accepted the first five books of Moses again.

Now that's being the Torah.

They rejected everything else.

They did not believe in a Messiah.

They did not believe in an afterlife.

They did not believe in angels at all.

So that's very different.

So everyone's walked out.

And they did not like Jesus.

They viewed anyone that claimed to be a Messiah

as a revolutionaryist or even as a bandit,

a predator of their people and a threat against Rome and their own people.

Then the Pharisees, very known,

a political party.

But this was also a Jewish sect.

They accepted 24 books while some subgroups of Pharisees

accepted more or less because they were subgroups of Pharisees,

different beliefs.

They believed in angels.

But unlike the Sadducees,

they had a different belief on that sort of sense.

But like the Pharisees,

they worship Yahweh.

But unlike the Sadducees,

they believed in the resurrection of the dead.

They also believed in a Messiah,

but one of their traditions.

So they believed that all souls would rest in sheol.

And they believed that Satan was an angel

or angelic being in Yahweh's court.

His job was to seduce mankind or test humanity

away from God, away from Yahweh.

So that way, mankind had free will.

However, there were subgroups that believed

Hasatan, or Satan, or Hasatan,

were symbolic for mankind's inclination towards evil.

So meaning God didn't create evil.

It was mankind's only.

So mankind's full free will.

Very different.

They did not believe in full of angels.

They believed in evil spirits.

And wandering spirits that would possess people.

You know, and they believed that pagan gods were false.

They did not believe in full of angels.

That was a mystic belief only.

That's important.

We're going to get into that later.

But then the Herodians not spoken about.

Some just say they're a political party, but they're more than that.

So they were Hellenistic Jews.

They were very wealthy because of their support of

King Herod, who they believe would be the Messiah.

Or one of his ancestors would be the Messiah.

So sorry, one of his children would be the Messiah, I should say.

But not all Herodians believe the Messiah.

Some belong belong to the Sadducees,

supporting King Herod others belong to the Pharisees ex.

So very interesting.

Then you had the zealots.

I'm not really talking about the later political party

after Jesus' time, but the early zealots.

So practicing zealotry.

So the ones that challenged the temple traditions,

challenged the temple elites, challenged Roman law.

They were apocalyptic.

They believed like the Essenes in a final battle between good and evil,

the good angels and fallen angels because they were mystics.

And some were Essen.

Others were not and they were very zealotly Yahweh.

Very important to mention that.

They would fight Rome at the last day.

Some Essenes joined that fight at the last day before the temple destruction

and some Pharisees and Sadducees too because they were forced to.

They were trying to make peace before that.

Then the Merkaba mystic Jews, also known as chariot mystics.

So they believed in Angelic hierarchy.

They would explore and saw after heavenly visions.

Mystical were sent to the heavens or divine realms.

So many higher realms.

And they did not believe the angels were really good guys.

They want to keep us out of the heavens.

Some even practiced Angelic vacation.

Rich also becoming angelic.

Like we'll be coming angels themselves ready for their sent.

So to transform them into a divine being basically or divine angel.

Well others told prophecies and ceremonial rituals,

which they also warned against practicing certain rituals

because you would go insane or could die in the process.

That's also important to mention as well.

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Have some water.

And the last is quite a list.

Yeah.

I think people don't understand how diverse they were.

People don't understand that throughout history,

Judaism has been like Christianity and Islam,

a very liquid religion splints off different seconds.

Yes.

Yeah, it's not very much so.

And what we've been told is pure propaganda by Joseph Paul.

Which sucks.

And we could also talk about the Hellenistic Jews too.

They were, you could say vast in their groups

because what's your understanding of Hellenistic Jews?

That could be just Jews that were mixing in Greek philosophy

with Jewish understanding and philosophy.

But that could also be Greek speaking Jews,

not able to speak Hebrew or Aramaic.

Or it could just be simply Jews that came from a Greek and Jewish ancestry,

mixing in Jewish and Greek customs.

And that's why you have the Pharisees

winging about distant sex because they were more Hellenistic.

And then they'll insult the Sadducee saying,

you guys are Greek.

And then they'll Pharisees will insult and say,

you guys are Persian.

That's the reason.

And another one very not familiar with the last group I'll mention

is the Canaanite Jews.

They are Jewish people with Canaanite ancestry

or worshipping Canaanite gods alongside either Yahweh or El Elion.

So they were Canaanites mostly that converted the Judaism.

So we had Simon the Canaanite or Simon the zealot.

So meaning that he was likely from a Canaanite ancestry

and then joined the zealot faction.

So all of that matters as the story we're told about Jesus

is just one side.

So if there's all these different types of Jews,

what type of Jews was Jesus?

So we've been given Roman church propaganda.

Even our English Bibles from the fourth and fifth century

have been grossly mistranslated, censored, edited

and do not match the original source material.

Even Orthodox Christian Bible that we know of today

was only compiled the Challenge Marcions version 200 years earlier.

And every English Bible we're using is not one source material.

You think you're reading one gospel?

I did it first and it sucked.

Because I found out I'm reading five different texts

put in the one gospel.

We're mixing of codex analogous, the Latin bowl gate,

Germanic text and worse.

One thing I discovered when translating,

I found out Bible Hub was a little bit cheeky on this

because it did not match the University of Texas

or the museum actual text.

So what they did was they swapped the coin group

with modern day Hebrew, then put it back in the Greek

because they felt uncomfortable with the translation.

Which really does suck.

So for instance, Damon means God or spirit.

It does not mean demon.

That is a horrible translation and theological error

of the Roman church that demonizes this word

and they are in fact demonizing God,

Jesus and the Holy Spirit, which is the greatest of their sins.

Now the evil association comes from Jewish mystic beliefs

of pagan gods that were fallen angels.

That's a Jewish mystic belief only, especially with early

nostics and even zealots as well.

Now there's a clear difference between an unclean spirit

and a fallen angel or pagan God

as depending on the context of the word Damon would change.

So this means that Jesus is either casting out

unclean spirits or pagan gods and sometimes both

as pagan gods ruled over lesser evil spirits.

These being called archons, especially in the New Testament text.

I have the text written down where to find them as well.

So it's a very important to note that during second

temple period Judaism only mystic Jews believed in a physical adversary

against God and only Gnostic Jews used the word devil.

Very important.

So we find the word devil in the wisdom of Solomon,

2.24, as responsible for death entering into the world

and those belonging to him or this one experience it.

They like to put him every time, but that word that they're

using in Greek name, he and she, they it this one, this being.

So that's an Old Testament text written in Alexandria

Egypt by mystic proto-nostic Jews who describe

Sophia as the Holy Spirit preceding from the Father.

And if we go to the Dead Sea Scrolls, again,

another mystic text we find that the liars described as the

full and angel and adversary against God in the war scroll column one.

So only mystics are believing this adversary figure.

So we turn to the gospel of John, John.

8.44, Jesus says to the Yahweh high priest that would be made up of

Pharisees, Sadducees and Herodians.

He states they are of their of their father, the devil,

not of his father.

And that's important because the Pharisees and Sadducees and Herodians

again did not believe in the devil.

That was a mystic belief.

So this means that Jesus was a proto-nostic Jewish mystic of his

using this or if not borrowing from that philosophy, definitely was.

So again, we find in the gospel of John 12.31 in the original Greek text

we see Jesus describes the Archon ruler of this well-being cast out

in the original Greek Archon being used.

You can look that up on Bible Hub.

So on 14.30 of this text we see again in the gospel of John,

the Archon is the ruler of this well-being mentioned by Jesus again.

And if we turn to the gospel of Matthew 13.38 to 39,

the devil was described as the ruler of this world by Jesus and in the gospel of Luke,

Satan being the adversary, which means adversary,

which tricks to depending on what you want to state your translation is,

is described as falling from heaven, meaning a fallen angel.

And again, that's a Jewish mystic belief that would lead into

Nostic Christianity, so the first Christians.

So Jesus constantly challenged the law of Yahweh and indeed the social norms of his time

as with the Nostic Christians, beautiful Nostic Christians who wanted to follow in there

and our teachers, master's footsteps becoming like Christ ourselves,

becoming Christ like by enacting in his teachings into their own personal lives,

our personal lives.

And we see Jesus healing and feeding the poor, the outcast.

He saved women and prostitutes and he stopped women from being stoned.

And not many people know this, but he also saved children.

So we go to the gospel of Matthew 21.12 for 17.

We see Jesus calling the high priest of Yahweh, Lastace.

That can mean predator, rebel, pirate or bandar or a revolutionary fighter, a guerrilla fighter.

So I'm stating that he's calling them predators of his people,

predators of children because we find in the scene children crying out Huzanna.

That means to save us.

And the word they're using cryo in English, they're just saying shouting out,

that word means crying out for help.

So they're crying out to help save us, son of David.

And I'm stating there that does being sold.

Because in Jewish traditions, we have virgin girls in the line of David being

temple virgins from the possibly even Hanozian dynasty or other noble families linked to the

line of David or symbolically being linked to the line of David.

Raising the temple from the ages of three to 14,

task of weeping the temple veils, which split during Jesus crucifixion.

We also had them making up the priestly garments, washing them, the priestly clothing.

And they would also be married off to the priesthood of noble families,

which would place bets on them as they were considered to be sacred and holy brides,

possibly giving birth to the Messiah.

So coming from the line of David, Messiah comes from the line of David.

And the Hanozians revolted against the Greeks and brought back independence,

so they were also viewed as being Messiah or Messianic.

So Messiah families.

So we see the gospel of James, a second century text, a very first apologetic text defending

the virginity of Mary.

And the church father's recording that the virgin Mary was a temple virgin in the dove in the temple.

So by the fifth century BC, Eradol, before Jesus' time to the fifth century AD era,

we have virgin brides, priestesses and even goddesses being called doves.

We have virgin Mary associated with a dove, Sophia associated with dove,

the dove ascending on Jesus being the Holy Spirit.

So in the gospel of Matthew 18.6, in the original Greek, the word scandalezo,

which they will just tell you means the stumble,

well, this can state that whoever causes harm to a child,

drown themselves with a millstone around their necks.

So this is Jesus standing up against the child marriage trade and harm of children,

which went on these times.

So the veil splitting during Jesus' crucifixion woven by those temple virgins,

I say he went to that temple in honor of his mother, ending the sex trade,

these mother was a victim of, and also in honor of his spiritual father,

our spiritual father, early on, the true most I've got.

We find the Talmud, for instance, recording that a rabbi could sleep with a three-year-old,

and that three-year-old could remain a virgin, passed onto the next priest when he dies,

to the brothers, was Lord a parcels to a brother, the bride, the widow.

And this is pretty horrible if you think about that, because they condemn Jesus as

seducing women and burning an excrement.

Why? Because he made them look dirty. He challenged their law.

So when we look at the case of history repeating itself,

and this is the money in the can for me,

the Catholic church condemned Simon Makers as worse than Satan,

condemned him for associating with a prostitute and marrying her.

Well, Simon Makers rescued her from sex slavery, rescued her from a brothel,

and he and her and other simonians would rescue children from pagan brothels

and rescue abandoned children because they want the people like Jesus themselves.

So the Catholic church so much sketched sex scandals, they would run brothels,

especially medieval times as well.

Of course they go to condemned Simon Makers and

mystic Christians that were running through pagan brothels.

Being executed and crucified as rebels being viewed as strange by the Romans,

thinking, what are they going to do with these children?

We even had church fathers writing that the first Christians, and they would be Jewish

mystic Christians, rescuing children from abandoned places,

finding orphanages, and even adopting those children they rescued.

So whether in the modern age or the ancient world,

second temple period, Roman era,

the Nostek Christians always challenge social norms or the Nostics.

So I find those people were beautiful because we would now have child rights into the world.

And that was due to all these Nostics being killed for this, being viewed as strange.

So it was because of Christianity, which would lead to child rights.

But what Christians did this is the first Christians,

the Nostic and Jewish Christians, and that I mean,

Nostic Jewish Christians will strip a law Torah observing Jewish Christians.

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So that's fascinating and that's something that not many people will ever speak about.

Simon Megas take care of the Epstein files.

Where's that nosic mentality today?

Yeah, thanks for sharing it.

I need a margarita.

You know, zemeer be praised.

This is quite a lot of noses.

What do you think, Vance?

It's overwhelming all the different things.

I recognize things here and there that I've heard before and all these different

sects and so forth.

But the bottom line is how can we, I got a barcon by the way going on in the back here.

But with all these people believing all these different things, I mean,

how do you sort out who really has the truth?

I don't think anyone particular group necessarily sees things the way they really are.

Like, we're all blind and we run into the piece of the elephant.

And some pieces are, you know, are definitely, you can tell, are not, not right.

You know, especially when it comes to people, stoning people and, you know,

putting children and brothels and so forth.

Then, you know, those people are off off the chart.

But yeah, it's very confusing, you know, and then you got to platenist before that and

the Nostics, you know, definitely were familiar with Plato and platenist and

I am because and all these guys back there, they, I think they took some of their,

some of their ideas from there.

So it's all, you know, people are human race is trying to evolve.

And so, yeah, Nathan, what do you think Nosticism is today?

How do we, you know, what are Nostics doing today given all this history?

I love the comments, by the way, as well, by the way, the beautiful comment.

I see it as a philosophy, spiritual out of the religion as well because of the

diversities as back then as now, obviously.

It's one reason with union, I don't say except one belief, but rather have your own interpretation,

except what Nostics group you are.

Don't have anyone else force you to believe something that you have to look for yourself within.

So Nostics is an individual path ultimately.

It's a personal path, a personal relationship with God or what's with divine.

Not all Nostics have to be spiritual or religious.

Some can be atheist Nostics.

So it's different definitions of this.

So I see it as long as we're working together ultimately,

as mentioned before, the world hates us enough.

So bringing us together and showing a light a better way.

It's like the parable of Jesus in the salt.

With the losing saltiness, he is recognizing that the salt is what preserves,

gives taste flavor.

So rather, we preserve what's good in the world,

not add to what's carnage, not add to the chaos of the world,

to renew it, to be reborn in spirits,

and add flavor into this world.

It becomes dry, and it's mundane or angry.

And there's also that mentioning of purification, so purifying the world.

So that's a Nostics goal is to purify yourself,

as when you purify yourself, you change the way you see the world,

as you ultimately change in the world by changing your participation in it.

Also, there's a few comments too in here with wisdom and Solomon.

I can actually read that text.

I have the Septuagint right next to me,

and I'll say if I want to read something.

And it's a shame because a lot of Christians that reject this text are rejecting, in fact,

something the first Christians accepted because the very first

Bible they used was Septuagint and Hebrew texts as well.

But most of them spoke Greek because Greek was a main speaking language of that time.

But doesn't mean they couldn't speak aramaic or Hebrew as well.

It's just the Greek was like the main thing of that world.

But there's a text in the Gospel of,

well, sorry, wisdom or Solomon, not Gospel, in 2.12.

So 24 is where the devil's stuff is mentioned.

But I'll mention this part.

So this is pretty cool.

So this is about Jesus, and well,

what they identified as being about Jesus.

So they've seen this as fulfillment of prophecy.

So very interesting.

So let us lie and wait for the righteous man

because he is inconvenient to us and he opposes our actions

and reproaches us for our sins against the law.

And he scrubs to us sins against our training.

He professes to have divine knowledge or divine noisers

and calls himself a child of the Lord.

And he became a reproof to us of our thoughts.

He has a burden to us even to see because his life is unlike that of others.

And his behavior is different.

We are considered by him to be base and he keeps distance from our ways.

From uncleanness, he calls the last end of the righteous happy

and boasts that God is his father.

Let us see if his words are true.

Let us test what will happen at the end of his life.

But the righteous man as a divine son, he will help him.

And we'll rescue him from the hand of those who oppose him.

Let us afflict him with insult and torture

that we may learn how reasonable he is

and put his off forbearance to the test.

Let us condemn him to a shameful death

for according to his words, he will be watched over.

So this is one reason Orthodox Jews reject this text

because they see it as two pro-Christian, two pro-Jesus.

Christians are a lot today reject this because it's too pro-nostic.

So if we go to 7.25, we'll go into the bit of Sophia.

I can't make sure I have 7.25 out here.

That was the devil speaking that, right?

The devil is saying to do all these things.

Yes, basically, we're going to say that God can

condemn their Messiah.

So only Nostict Jews believed in a dying and a rising Messiah

or one calling yourself a child of God or a son of God.

So there were different versions of Messiah, what Messiah was.

Not all accepted a military king.

That was very interesting.

It looked in that context.

But this is what mentions about Sophia.

For she is a breath of the power of God

and an emanation of the pure glory of the Almighty.

Therefore, nothing defile gains entrance into her,

which can also be state to be sexual.

For she is a reflection of eternal light

and a spotless mirror of the activity of God

and an image of His goodness.

Although she is one, she can do all things

and while remaining in herself, she renews all things

and in every generation she passes into holy souls

and makes them friends of God and prophets.

For God loves nothing except the person

who lives with Sophia or wisdom.

For she is more beautiful than the sun

and above every constellation of stars.

So entering into every prophet,

so filling them with the Holy Spirit.

So not being a separate deity

but rather being God beyond all sex.

So we're in the image of God, man or female.

So the life-giving spirit,

so what births creation being the feminine divine principle,

the father being the fourth or the seed of everything.

So the masculine and the them.

Beautiful.

So when we look at these texts,

that was seen as blasphemy to Orthodox Jews,

the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Herodians.

There's actually a scene in the Bible

where I wish I wrote it down.

You can download my translations as well.

I put the original Greek there.

So it mentions about, who is this Sophia?

So that's seen in the Bible, who is this wisdom?

So who is this Sophia?

So they're confused because it's not a part of their theology.

It was mystic, it's like son of man.

They were confused by that term because

that was an essay in term or a mystic term

for their code word of Messiah.

We have this in the Dead Sea scrolls

with their Messiah, son of man,

the teacher of righteousness,

even sent the son of man is not perfect.

So Jesus even stating as well,

why do you call me good?

Only God is good,

meaning that all things good are coming from the source of God.

So God perfects us, works through us.

Everything good is God working through us.

So some can say that's extreme.

Some atheists might not like that.

So it means everything good better than I was God.

And I find that absolutely beautiful.

Christian of Jesus didn't want to be called good.

That means that Jesus wasn't equivalent

to the Father the way the Catholics say is.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And we also have the Father,

no stings, the sun does not.

And also that I go to sit at my father's right hand.

So the very first belief was Jesus becoming a logos.

God's word and spirit.

So you have God's word and flesh,

but ultimately God's word and spirit is what ultimately matters.

So it wasn't a physical fleshly resurrection,

but it was a spiritual.

So the gospel marked, for instance, the chapter 16.9 to 21 onwards

might not be 9, might be 10 or 11.

That was added in the fifth and sixth century.

So that's a later added in the very first resurrection stories.

So then a first to write.

So Simon Makers was writing.

He was baptized by Philip at the cycle of Jesus,

the only known fact that we know

or someone actually knew the disciples first hand that wrote.

But we don't have that original text.

We have the church father quotation of it

because they burned sentence,

winched about it, wrote about it.

So none of Paul's letters are original.

They're all second century and later,

some church forgeries.

We didn't know of 10 letters until Marcion.

It's possible Marcion wrote them as he compiled

the first Christian Bible before this no Bible.

Individual Christian text and the Jewish Bible.

Which is set children, they will use,

or individual Hebrew text.

Some argue some Dead Sea Scrolls could be maybe

from some Christians as hard to say,

because they're all different time periods.

So some are old in the set children.

Some set children are older,

but ultimately the Dead Sea Scrolls is old in the set children.

That's the oldest text that we have.

But that shows that the vice diversity of Judaism,

all these different texts.

So being rejected accepted

and from community to community,

fascinating.

So again, that sees,

we see why Jesus had so many different followers.

He had Greeks following him,

zealots following him,

some Pharisees following him,

mystics following him,

which are the first to recognize him as Messiah.

So we even had cannons following him.

He had brothers as well,

which also had children,

which are recorded by the way.

So we have James and Jude

having children being described as leaders

of the early Jerusalem church.

And then later on,

when their descendants die,

a man called Marcus,

a Roman moves to Rome,

the first non-Jewish person,

but we had Jewish people around this time

that were also leading their own movements.

What it was was a Roman half-style takeover.

So interesting.

And someone put Hebrew as Greek,

but Hebrew borrowed from Greek,

I just want to correct that one.

So that's modern Hebrew,

they borrowed from Greek.

And during the second temple period,

because they lost their language.

So early Hebrew was a lot different.

So Bronze Age,

Hebrew couldn't communicate with an Iron Age Hebrew.

So Hebrew was ultimately a Canaanite language,

and borrowed from Greek,

but the Greeks also borrowed from the Canaanites.

So I want to mention that too.

So they have belief with Elf Instance

having a long beard depicted as wise,

the Zeus philosophy borrowed from that.

So, and then later Canaanites were borrowed from the Greeks as well,

because of their story of Kronos

and the stories of Titans

in eating their babies.

They borrowed that story.

Some reason the Canaanites liked that story.

They were fascinated on Jewelry,

out of the life death,

because even when we look at the Canaanite religion,

it was dualistic.

We had different variants of the Canaanite religion.

There was never one Canaanite religion.

So the very first to worship Yahweh,

I need to mention this too,

were the Sasha of Yahweh.

They were known to be Kidnappers of Ethiopian

and Egyptian young elves.

They worship Yahweh.

They were raiders, sex traffickers.

They were called travel makers in ancient Egypt.

Now they were zealots,

not so zealots my bad, I missed that one.

They were Canaanites that did not want to worship El

because they viewed him as too peaceful.

That's all right.

They want to worship Yahweh and Bale.

Some Canaanites believed Yahweh and Bale

were the same God or different God or brothers.

And we had others that believed in El beyond all this world.

That was in the cosmic waters

or in between the cosmic rivers or waters very fascinating.

So we had versions of El that got too drunk,

that even put in a weed on himself

and had them be carried home by the other El-ihin.

Yeah, that we have this as well as you,

the Garak text as well.

We have stories of Bale, you surfing El,

Yahweh, you surfing El, some believe that was that.

So we've had all these different variations

but some El worshipers were peaceful, vegetarian,

Canaanites and Pescatarian.

That's not told by the mainstream court sources.

So I argued those were the Canaanites that became the Essenes.

And that makes a lot of sense to me

also boring out of Egypt as well.

So, but we have no original text.

We have to add that.

Everything's a copy of a copy.

So even the Codex synanicus,

what we have was copied from other texts

but all English translations are mistranslated from that text.

That's why I try to offer the text to free

and I want to charge anyone.

They want to buy a higher copy of the Canaan,

but I rather than have the free copy

and really look at the Canaanite history,

not just what I say,

but study all this sort of stuff that matters.

But mysticism as well as always.

Yeah, Christine Marie mentioned,

you mentioned the Holy Spirit and connection to Sophia.

What do you think of the book of wisdom?

I think you answered and the famine personification

of God.

So yeah, in turn, of course,

the text like the gospel of the Hebrew is equate

the Holy Spirit to a feminine figure.

It's all over the place.

Early Christian, it was all over the place.

Oh, it was.

Here's something that we can re-tool as well

from the gospel of the Hebrews.

This would be in quotations of the church fathers

from the Jewish Christians.

So they burnt all the Jewish Christian writings

and burnt them as heretics as well.

So Nostec Christians was well.

So the Catholic church was condemning Jewish Christians

and Nostec Christians and burning.

Nothing like that has ever said by Jesus to do.

So here's something that we do that we have on the text.

Just now, my mother, the Holy Spirit took me

by one of my hairs and carried me up

to the great mountain Teboa or Teboa.

So that's on chapter two.

This is from Barthey Irman's translations.

So that's from their last scripture.

I didn't do that one because it wasn't in Greek and label

and I only tried to do original.

So in my text I add for instance,

you have the original book which I do.

So if you don't like my translations,

you can just argue with the Greek.

I gained the original Greek too.

I didn't want to lead anyone astray.

I also put in, when I do a fragment,

such as the papyrus fragment,

such as the gospel of Thomas here is papyrus oxy 654.

I'll include the Greek and English side by side.

As you can see, and I also include alternative translations

because sometimes we can't guarantee the correct translation.

We don't have a time machine.

So words can have different meanings.

And sometimes they have been mistranslated.

So to save that and also because Christians

read this having their own interpretation of the text,

their own understanding.

Even today, this is still true.

I didn't want to take that away from them

as that was how it wasn't the beginning.

So I'm reason we have different groups

and different groups follow Jesus.

His message was to stick together.

If they're not against you, they are for you.

So I've done the gospel of Thomas,

the gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

So from Codexananas, one source material, no mix,

no 16th century addits or eddins.

I didn't do any of that.

I just kept the one source material from that fourth century text

and the other text I used are from the second century.

So fragments, you can argue maybe first century on some

that's hard to say.

However, we know for a fact, even if the fragments

we have a second century, they come from the first century.

So the origins, we just don't have the original text.

I also did the gospel of Peter, the gospel of James.

And I did three unknown gospels, including a gotten gospel.

So they were gospels without titles.

So they're no fragments.

And one of those gospels I did, which is a gotten,

I believe it was, one side hasn't been translated publicly.

And I did that side, not realizing there was two sides

of the papyrus, just like in the gospel of John.

That's the oldest copy of John.

There's two sides of that text.

I didn't realize I'm looking at the other text

because I looked at the digital copy.

That the Irman did the same.

He translated part two and I did part one.

They avoid part one because it's very nostic.

And bad, the Irman doesn't like too much nostic stuff

because it fails his own interpretations.

So I love bad, the Irman, but he is more of a staff.

The nostic were the first ones to adopt it

and write exposition on it and so forth.

Yeah, we've got some of you saying that Jesus

or a laystaste, this would be someone from what's

a called, I think his name, I'm on human.

He don't like me because he attacked my charity works.

I also tagged him a while ago.

He won't challenge me.

But he says that Jesus was a laystaste.

Well, he ignores the fact that Simon Acres

rescued his wife and children

and that Jesus obviously saved children

and then states that whoever harms a child

drown themselves will then have the drown himself.

He was doing that, so that breaks everything.

Then the first Christian's rescuing children

running through pagan brothels.

Amon doesn't read any of that.

He's Greek sucks.

He'll tell you one translation.

He knows the fact that there's multiple different translations.

So I'm not a big fan of healing.

Didn't want to get into him,

but I'll just put that one out there.

He's a cult leader and a sex offender.

He has sex charges against him.

We don't want to go into that.

It's a very, very nasty man.

He attacked my charity works.

So that would be that's the question.

You said we can get your translations online.

That's great.

Yes, if we.

So you just got my YouTube channel

and you can find in the post comments.

You can also ask me for a free translation.

I'll give them to people whoever wants them.

They can download from free.

So that means they can study the original Greek text

for themselves and go from there.

So they have the source material.

No one can lighten them.

They don't need people like me because I have the text.

They can go for their own understanding of it,

which I would love more people to have.

I sent you a personal copy

and I want to send you a actual hard copy

in the Gellvis Academy in a couple of weeks.

I'll send you a hard copy.

Just tell me you're like the post office

and I'll send it to you.

Very beautiful.

Yeah, so they can download that for free.

So I offer that for free for that reason.

I don't own God's word.

I don't own the teachings of Jesus.

I do not own Christianity.

Certainly do not.

And that being said,

if someone else can teach me something with that text as well.

So I might have missed something.

And I'm happy to admit that.

I would like someone even more professional

than me to go out that text and go to that Greek

and go amid certain uncomfortable things

and not just have a Bible standard approval

or not be true to the text.

Exactly, exactly.

And I guess my only controversial thing I think we agree

but I've always felt something sus about the Essenes.

My God tells me they didn't exist.

I know it sounds strange.

Maybe it's something they put over the Mendians

because I think the Mendians are ancient

but I think even Jews and Christians

are trying to hide the Mendians and Hellenize them

and make them more city.

You know what I mean?

So it's my gut feeling

and I'm usually right about these things.

But these things are important to me.

Is Josephus, the only one who talks about these scenes

or who else?

Josephus?

He talks about the Therapeutae.

Yeah, and they're an Essen group.

And so the Marker writes that was also mentioned

by some of his Islamic scholars as well.

So they're very cool with all that sort of regarding.

So yeah, that's a very important group to mention.

Yeah, I could have mentioned the Mendians as well.

Follows of John the Baptist.

I was thinking they'd mention them

but they have gone through a little bit of a change

that's understandable because they faced heavy persecution

and they would have adopted some Islamic philosophy

as well along the way.

And they dislike Jesus in a sense

because they viewed him as still in John the Baptist teachings.

But we also had John the Baptist follows

becoming Christians as well and changing.

And we had others that viewed John the Baptist

having a special place.

So I would say they would take on the Islamic approach

with Jesus, the Mendians in the end,

but they have the old Essen practices

because these groups are merged from Essenes.

So mystics.

So their first Essenes were obviously mastic ones.

So then we have later on a more zealot approach

taking on, which is trippy.

So zealots, in a sense,

not many people even connected to being Essen.

So living out in wilderness,

but not all were extinct.

Every Essen would be different.

So it's trippy.

Some were full on celibate.

You know, it wouldn't have sex at all.

And others had wives.

Others did get married.

Others full on abstained.

Some would not even eat meat and others ate fish.

So different beliefs as well.

Yeah, independent on each other.

Yeah, but do the Essenes really believe that Yahweh

was a demi-erge, you know, like semi-evil?

Not the crew want ones.

This is too funny to be in that.

The crew want ones had a different understanding.

They had the idea that Yahweh was the judge under the orders of El.

So he was like their war god.

So one that was in charge of El, that would be...

Their sins were trippy.

They believed they would also be amongst the divine Elohim.

So they would be amongst the divine council of God.

In the last days, or Armageddon,

fighting off the Romans and alongside their Messiah.

So...

But others had a different approach that as well.

So we had some believing belial

that was causing trouble back with Job.

And this is a day that God punished him and made him full.

And others had to believe it was from the beginning.

So it's...

We can't really pinpoint one Essen group.

It's kind of a weird name that we use.

They're really just Jewish mystics, really.

That's what we should probably relate on the West.

And even before that, they were probably influenced

by the Pythagorean's.

Because everybody was influenced by Pythagorean's.

You know, one of them were...

Flankos got to mention too is regarding Plato

and Nostecristian's love Plato

because he also condemned the acts of child abuse too.

So he wrote about it.

He disagreed.

He didn't do the acts of Jesus,

literally whipping them and flipping over tables

or doing the Nostecristians

and running through pagan brothels

and getting executed for saving children.

But they adored him.

And they also preserved some Jewish Christian writings.

They had some Egyptian writings too.

So they were big on everything.

So they were very peacekeepers of their time.

Very open-minded compared to a lot of Christians even today.

That would not touch enough a holy book at all

or even let alone question their local pastor.

Yeah, no kidding.

Yeah, it's hard.

It's hard because even for the idea,

there's two ways you can see it, right?

You have the cult of L, probably had a Shira,

which was suppressed by Josiah.

And then the cult of Yahweh,

the solar male power comes in.

So you wonder if there was this group that I think

so the Nostec smuggled the Ashira,

holistic nature, mystic kind of mysteries.

But then you can also say, well, maybe it was Plato

because Plato was the first to sort of separate

the perfect God from the, you know, the demure.

He was good, but he was not perfect.

You know, there's a one.

There's a demure as well as the gods.

And maybe these groups started,

well, we're going to put El Ion as the one

and Yahweh as the demure,

to whether he's good or bad.

So it's very hard to understand all these streams.

I guess we just have to guess.

Yeah, and percent that's,

I can, that's what a Margarites were inspired by,

by that sort of platonic philosophy.

And they viewed Yahweh as the demure,

but not evil,

but they had other groups that did view him as evil.

We even had other groups that believed that El Ion

wasn't the true God.

It was like even more higher than him as well.

I forgot which particular group that was.

That was a Jewish mystic,

mystic group as well.

So there were so many different groups of varieties.

I couldn't have gone on pretty much all day

about more different groups.

So I thought I just leave it on the limited one there.

So there's so many groups and some are more,

what's the word theorist?

It's hard to pinpoint of what they are or who they are.

So it's like,

or did they exist in there?

Are they confused with someone else?

So it's like scholar views,

vary on a lot of these groups and sex.

So yeah, we're definitely,

but even with the belief I've mentioned before

with Yahweh, not being evil by the Essenes

being their war God,

but then you had Nostec Essenes,

like Magerites, Belief knows Demi Urge

and others that believe they was evil.

But that group,

we can't really find origins on really much

and they ultimately became Christian.

So it's like,

that's why most of us just get put as Nostics.

So these groups who are doing this before Jesus.

Yes, yes,

but it's just they'll be,

they are not the Christianity.

So the idea that the Jews would never have Yahweh as evil,

of course, is a bug.

No, a big bug.

Yeah, yeah.

While some Jews that believed that God being Yahweh

was both good and evil

was both God of light and darkness.

So all evil was sent by Him

and all goodness was sent by Him

in order to test us and test our faith.

So it's weird.

So it's like the story of Job.

It's a ridiculous story,

but we're reading this Pharisees version.

That's with Satan serving Yahweh

and it's like a bet here

and that's because he's testing him

in order to prove Job's ultimately free will and justice.

But then the Essen version,

we have Belial trying to cause a usurption basically,

right, because he's jealous of Job.

So he's against Job

and against God basically trying to get God the punish Job

and then God finds out and punishes Belial

and says Job is now a restorative

has all this 10 times more is given to him

in you now falling from grace to sent to Abaddon.

So he becomes the ruler of full of angels

and of the underworld.

So the belief of Jesus,

he mentioned she old, the heavens, heavens and Gehenna.

So Gehenna, which is kind of funny

because the rabbis would basically adopt this belief

with the Talmud.

So that's because the Talmud

not just written by ancestors of the,

what would be the Pharisees for them.

That was also mixture of zealots

that would later in compose

into what would become the modern day rabbiic traditions.

So Gehenna was viewed.

So the Pharisees only believed in sheol.

That was it.

Gehenna was a belief of Jewish mystics

and it was also called Abahaddon, so Abaddon.

That was where the soul was destroyed by God.

And depending on the belief that that could all disappear

on the final days, not all had that belief.

It was just a place of soul destruction or purification.

So everything that separated the person from God

was destroyed and the soul would ascend to heaven

or rest in sheol not quite worthy of heaven.

Otherwise, it was completely destroyed

and the body would just be renewed into the earth.

So the grass and the eaten.

So still having some good to it,

but ultimately no longer living,

no longer having any existence.

And then there's also an actual physical place too,

the value of Hennon, which was a place

that came and sacrificed their children to gods like Yahweh and Balfe.

And also cremated their dead theirs.

It wasn't just a place of sacrifice.

So the Jews would bury their dead there,

came and sacrificed their dead there.

Greeks would later, when they occupied the Jewish people,

would then cremate their dead there.

Later on during Roman occupation,

Jews would stop using that land as burial.

And the Romans would cremate their dead there

and on another part they would burn rubbish

and the dead bodies would crucify victims.

So when we see Jesus say Gehenner,

he's referring to us as a physical place

as well as a spiritual.

So I first understand that

until we look at that belief.

So that's what we call hell.

And that's a German idea that's wrong.

Gehenner or Abadon is the correct word we should be using.

So that's fascinating.

So it's either, depending on your belief,

I can't pinpoint which one that Jesus believed.

Or I can state that there's some Essings viewed it

as a place of torment until the last days,

and it was over,

or it was just a place of soul destruction

that was gone immediately.

So trippy, very trippy.

So some become evil spirits there as well.

And others could also be wandering souls

from shiau, causing hauntings

because they were angry with God.

So those beliefs and shiau people could repent still

and shiau or further condemn themselves into Gehenner.

So, well, that going on with these bad guys.

Anything from you, Vance, or the audience

as we get towards the top of the outward?

Oh, we got a super chat from Anon here.

Thank you Anon.

Ask for a foundation.

Yeah, no, our friend Anon, you know?

Okay, question.

We should have Nathan Wilson.

What is his background and what led him to Nosticism?

What year did he come across it?

Oh, I've got the ear.

My background though, if he means like,

I'm Mr Lee, I guess I'm Irish, Scottish, Aboriginal,

English of a mix of everything.

Background religious wise, I grew up Protestant.

Now I'm a Nostic Christian.

And I got ordained somewhere in here,

the one which one is the one that I have a few degrees.

That's a shitarity, Master of Minister of Lister, Bachelor.

I think that's one of my thoughts on ordained lists.

That's Doctor of Minister.

Yeah, this will be this year, 2020 free.

I was ordained, I was a Nostic before that.

So I've been pro Nostic for about eight, nine years.

So before that, I was pretty roughly the rough life

hanging around a lot of games,

drugs, alcohol, that sort of stuff.

And then I went clean before I actually came Nostic.

I was drinking stool though,

getting in trouble, getting arrested.

And then I found a gospel Thomas

and I never looked back and I was all good after that.

So that saved my life.

So good on Jesus for helping me that.

Show me Nosis.

And finally, what was within me?

Show me how to be human.

Then Christ like, yeah, it can't be attainable.

Yep, there's the value, right?

There is the value.

You looked at your own shadow, your own darkness and overcame it.

Yeah, and that's what rebirth is about, ultimately.

No, it doesn't always have to involve suffering,

but ultimately a lot of life is suffering.

We suffer in order to live, in order to feel joy.

Without the suffering, the joy will be meaningless.

And sometimes out of darkness comes the greatest light.

And one big saying that brought me to tears

and maybe realized out of the gospel Thomas

was blesses the human being who has suffered and found life.

That can also, depending on where it was translated from,

if that was copied from the Greek, that's from the Coptic text,

that could translate to blesses the human being

who has suffered and found spirit.

Also really good too.

And do you do weekly services

as people may see the name Bishop or?

I do some sermons as well on my YouTube channel as well

and on the Nostek Union as well,

but I've started doing some monthly masses and stuff as well.

So communion with a couple of other priest bishops

and hoping to bring out some more people.

Only thing I require people looking to become a priest

or a bishop is just read my translations

and make an essay that tell me your understanding of it.

So I know you've read the text.

You choose, you have to read all of my translations.

You just choose four gospels of your choosing

and tell me your understanding of it

and do one video of me on the shared seminar.

I'm a person of priest.

It's been a year of me, they become a bishop.

That's it.

And then do what you will.

Make our people priest of bishops share the word.

You're an understanding as well.

Very cool and just go to YouTube

and hit Bishop Nathan Wilson.

Your channel should pop up, right?

Yeah, 100% yeah, we'll find me straight away.

And if they are looking to become a priest or a bishop,

they'll find me on the Gnostic Union

or even reach out to other priest and bishop members.

We have Bishop Phil.

We have Bishop Jason.

We also have Bishop Lorenzo, Bishop Tyrone, Bishop Rangel

and Priest Michael and David.

So I think we have one last super chat from Jesuit Slayer.

Appreciate the support.

And he writes, Belial, the original Fisher of Men

from the Damascus dog of the DSS,

his three nets of deception mimic Christ.

Thoughts on Christ's Belial thesis.

Right, interesting.

I wouldn't see Jesus as Belial.

One reason is because I view an adversary figure,

I view as Yahweh, you can identify this as Belial too.

If you want, not all had that approach, certainly,

not some belief that was about some didn't even believe that.

But I see Jesus as challenging Yahweh

and that's what a lot of the people called him blasphemous for.

So I see him bringing knowledge of the true God.

Like you can say that he's not here to challenge the law

but perfect it to complete it.

But you can also argue he did come the challenge the law

because that translation can translate to either one

of those in the original Greek.

And then you go to Marcy on his copy who stated

he came the challenge the law.

But I find that fascinating, Codexedanicas,

it can translate either way.

That's fascinating.

So it can be he came the challenge the law,

get rid of it and perfect it

or he came not to get rid of it

but to perfect it or complete it.

So again, depending on your interpretation,

how you're seeing it, he obviously did challenge the law though.

So but what law, he was challenging the law of Yahweh.

He also has never said Yahweh.

He says they are subsistos in the Greek

which translates from the Hebrew LLion.

So most high-goddened from the Greek meaning.

So he says that name.

So he's saying LLion by name

and then one across Eli, Eli always says

that we're all the sons of the most high-god.

And then the demons that they like to say

daemons is the correct term.

So the evil spirits were paking gods

or calling them son of the most high-god.

When he says father, what does that translate

back through the Greek?

Oh, pate.

So that's phaba.

So if you want to look at something,

they ask for God.

That's the kick in the can, that's good.

They ask being God.

God is English.

Hebrew comes from L.

So L is the word for God, but it means supreme deity.

So God of God's supreme one.

So when you go to the word monad or monad,

absolutely under all.

So that's interesting.

So the word for God that using is L.

And they are so paranoid of this.

They do not understand this thing.

Then they can go, but bow means Lord

or L means God and every God was called this everything.

Yeah, but every human Lord was called Lord as well.

Lord, you're talking about what God,

but when you actually look at what's going on

and then you look at the concept of Jesus

stating their gods are devil

and only Nostek Jews believed in the devil

and who was the devil was Yahweh,

then you're going to questions and things.

It's like, what's going on here?

So the texts are written from different authors as well.

Even the English Bible, that's obviously

multiple different authors.

We don't know anyone who wrote the gospels.

The only person we know for a fact that was writing

that new disciples period was Simon Magus.

So we can't guarantee with anything of Paul.

We don't have any original Paul letters.

They could have been written by Marcy

and we have church fordries.

We also have Catholic fordries of Nostek text

such as Epistle of the Apostles.

We don't have the original Nostek text.

That could be one of the oldest Christian writings

of all time, but the rituals being destroyed

and Catholic church destroyed it

made a fordry of it to make it anti-Nostek.

Like what the hell?

First stuff they don't tell us either.

So much cornerstones of the church.

So it's like a detective game.

Awesome. Well, we at the end,

this has been an incredible fun conversation.

We should do it again for sure, Nathan.

Now much on my end, really appreciate your support.

Appreciate your time for the audience.

Always could use your support.

Again, join the Patreon, the YouTube membership

or AB Prime.

Good stuff coming up next.

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But that's really it.

Vance, thanks for keeping us company.

You bet.

I will see you next time and thanks Nathan.

A lot of good information there.

Kind of absorb it now.

That's probably going to enjoy this.

Yes, yes, Nathan, thank you very much.

Keep doing what you're doing,

digging for that truth,

opening up the doors of perception

and bringing more noses.

And hopefully your energy will save more children today

because that's what they need more than ever

from the Epstein class

and the Arkon class and the Moelot class

and all of those evil classes that haven't gone away.

So we'll get there.

We'll get there for everybody else.

So I don't know what to say.

Zimni, or bless you.

And yes, keep riding your own gospel,

living your own myth.

Take care, everybody.

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