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We've been covering Nancy Guthrie, apologies, people make that mistake, how dare I.

I've been covering Nancy Guthrie for 34 days, and I think I was maybe because Carm is on the show today.

Nancy Grace yells at me and the confusion started right off the bat.

Already into chaos in the show is not even 23 seconds old, but we're going to do something different here with Nancy Guthrie.

And that's because my beautiful mother, Carm, who you all know, is co-hosting today.

She's also a licensed therapist, so we're going to ask a question that no one else covering this case can answer, except for maybe Carm.

And that is, what does life actually look like at the age of 84?

Because I don't know that we're all grasping that, and unless you're 84 years old, you don't really know, except for my co-host, who does.

Welcome to the Global Phenomenon, surviving the survivor.

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Always a special day because I get to spend it with my one and only mother.

Imagine if you had, you know, 17 mothers, they would not, it would not be quite as special, but I only have one.

She brought me into this world and continues to teach me about the world, even at the young age of 56 for me, 86.

And by the way, as explaining to my son, I was the greatest gift my parents ever got because I was born on their anniversary.

He couldn't really wrap his head around that, but I was born July 25th and my parents were married July 25th, but they were married, not the same year that I was born, just so you know, just for the record.

And Carm happens to be the oldest true crime podcaster in America, maybe the world, if you can find someone over the age of 86, who is regularly podcasting about true crime, let me know and I will retract everything I've ever said, but otherwise I'm sticking with it.

She is the oldest active true crime podcaster. She's a child holocaust survivor and a licensed therapist and guess what Nancy got three is 84 years old, so they're roughly in the same ballpark born.

She's born in I guess 41, Carm is born in 1939.

So today we're going to explore something very few people covering the case can truly understand what life is like for someone in their mid 80s living alone.

And what vulnerabilities and realities exist at that stage of life without further ado, the matriarch of true crime, the cult of personality, the woman who if I bring the best of news to will always keep me centered and say, well, what about that?

And here she is.

Car as you can, as you can tell, I've the mushroom coffee is kicking in and about an hour of.

It's behind me, behind me.

And an hour, I will look like Ethel on the bed upside down my tongue hanging out. Thank you to Dana, gifting 10 surviving the surviving memberships right out of the gates.

Let's just dig right into it.

Microwease is an acquaintance of mine, maybe a friend even we see each other, we've seen each other on the road, he works for Fox News digital.

And I'm going to read you a tweet that he just sent out not long ago.

Can you indulge me, Carm here and I like your.

Technological expertise on this, thank you to you drops, J you not to be confer confused with maybe another two drops, I guess, and here is snarky shark.

Thank you.

I love your show, such a sad case, it truly is a sad case, but come, let me read this is a tweet. Thank you, Tara.

This is a tweet from Microwease box news digital.

Good morning from Tucson, it's now been over a month since authorities have given a news briefing on the suspected abduction of Nancy Guthrie, that's hard to believe over a month since there's been a news conference task force agents returned to her neighborhood yesterday conducting a new sweep.

Perseventa Guthrie's network NBC, they asked neighbors about internet outages around the time of Nancy's abduction.

Many residents were asleep because obviously this is 130 in the morning, people are asleep.

At least one person says his cameras recorded nothing at all on the night of February 1st, which he told other neighbors was unusual.

This is prompting speculation about the potential use of a Wi-Fi jamming device, which is relatively low tech, but illegal to sell or import into the United States.

The cameras have been used in recent months by South American burglaries, operating in affluent neighborhoods in California, Florida, New York, Texas, and Wisconsin to disable wireless security cameras and alarm systems.

The cameras were on that list, Carm with Florida. Hard wire devices are not impacted.

Nancy's devices, at least the ones we know of on the exterior of her home, were all wireless, but she also didn't have a cloud subscription, which would make the added layer of sophistication unnecessary to someone who knew her well.

A combined reward of over 1.2 million remains unclaimed, anyone with information is now being asked to call 1-800-call FBI, 1-800-call FBI.

Residents in and around the area are also being asked to review their home security cameras for anything suspicious.

So, Carm, the headline here, 34 days in, and there have been some substantial headlines, is that now it appears the FBI thinks that a Wi-Fi jammer was used, because not only Nancy Guthrie did her Wi-Fi have an issue, but it was partly because the subscription.

But the neighbors cameras did not record in COE. If we can pull up the suspect like a wider shot, there are a lot of people who say this guy has a Wi-Fi jammer, what appears to be a Wi-Fi jammer.

I believe it is in his right pocket. You see an antenna sticking out.

Carm, you're neither law enforcement nor a tech expert, so you're the perfect person to ask, what do you think of this revelation now that the FBI is expecting that this person used potentially a Wi-Fi jammer, Carm?

Well, as usual, I have opinion on things I don't know anything about.

So, one of the things I think was stated that the Wi-Fi in general is very, very weak right around Nancy Guthrie's house.

It was stated by our friend. Now, you know, the one who is Ilyana's friend.

Brian.

Brian said in one of his recent announcements that the Wi-Fi, he has to go hundreds of meters away from the house to get reception.

The second thing is many of the neighbors that were interviewed about this concern said nobody knows what happens at two o'clock at night because everybody is asleep.

So, is it really a central issue or it's like chasing very peripheral issues?

Well, Carm, it's an interesting issue and I'll tell you why, by the way, Susan, who's told me I was an idiot for calling the show a global phenomenon. Well, do you have viewers Susan from Malta? No, you don't because number one, you don't have viewers.

You don't have a podcast. Number two, they're in from Malta. So buzz off, Susan.

Don't forget about Susan. Focus on. Carm, you're an inspiration. I mean that says Kelly. And this is interesting too. This is interesting for a number of reasons. Thank you to the Rachel. But from Vicki here, Carm, let me read this to you.

A jammer with its electromagnetic field would absolutely interfere with a pacemaker. Look it up. Thank you, Vicki. I wasn't even thinking that.

Yes. So, Carm, unless we freeze this at the right point, but I believe it is his right pocket. There's an antenna sticking out.

But, but Carm, a lot of people have, by the way, a lot of people say to me, why do you call your mother, Carm? I call her mom, but I mean, it's weird to call mom, mom, 156 to an audience.

So you guys know her as calm. That's really why I call her a calm. But so, Carm, question for you. And by the way, I don't want to insult your ego, but at this point right now, we're probably the lowest number of Nancy got three viewers that we've ever had. And you just happen to be on the show.

Well, it'll grow over over the next hour. Why are you worried about it? Don't worry. This is a Friday light, okay?

No one worries about it more than you, Carm, because you have. I said my expectations for this. And then I'm not disappointed.

I prepared myself psychologically for a let down, but I'm really not that competitive, really not. But I have to tell you, I have a few ideas about Nancy's life and the life of this age group.

Yeah, well, we're going to get there, Carm. We're going to get there. I promise, but I host the show. You host everything else in my life, everything, but I host the show.

Does Carm think the perp? This is a great question. Do you think, Carm, from a psychological standpoint, from a psychological standpoint, do you think

that whoever committed this crime has been back to the scene? You know, there's a memorial out there. Do you believe that they would have gone back?

Well, you know, for many, many, many, many years, I always heard that the criminal always returns to the place of the crime. And what shocked me in the adolescent case was that, yes, when they did return to the place of the crime, in a very publicized way.

And now I'm hearing from psychologists who started this in depth that in certain cases, there was a return to the place of the crime.

And the certain other type of crime in a certain other type of crime, people don't return to the place of the crime.

But logically, if it was something that one of your guests mentioned as a totally self-absorbed need for this type of fame, that the person had psychologically this need, then they would come back.

First of all, we were told that they watched programs and they want to know what the professionals think about the situation. That could be also to defend themselves the criminals and to protect themselves better.

But also, I think they get some thrill out of watching the place where they committed the crime.

Thank you for that, Carm. And I caught most of what you said Italian, but I was reading Italian and Laguna Beach welcome California.

In my opinion, the internet was not jammed all caps. He would never have been caught on camera or detected on camera with no internet.

My cams work the same way. No internet. They don't work period. However, Italian and Laguna Beach. And listen, I'm going to defer to you because I know nothing about technology.

But she had no subscription. So it obviously wasn't recording. I don't know if they had to go to Google nest, right?

So I don't know if there's some system that Google would have where they could pull it Wi-Fi or no Wi-Fi.

You're suggesting that there's no way they could pull it without Wi-Fi. I just don't know enough. I mean, I think we'd all be surprised at the sophistication of the technology of these massive tech companies.

I just don't know. Proud Grizzly says, Carm, Fridays, and then we look at this comment. Look at this. You're a guy's in here and you're going to tell me not to call this show a global phenomenon. Get out of here.

Becky Granitestein, Carm. My 91 year old mother would love this. Does she speak Yiddish, Carm? Meaning do you speak Yiddish, Carm?

I don't speak Yiddish. I don't speak Yiddish at all. And believe I believe it or I pay a price for it in my building. People are talking Yiddish behind my back.

Yeah, they're talking behind your back. So, Carm, this brings us to an important point. And then we're going to get into this whole show I designed.

Look, there's not a lot of people. And you say a lot of things and a lot of them go through one year and out the other year. But maybe six months ago, you said to me, when you reach my age 86, people think you're invisible.

You said something along those lines, like older people. And I don't consider you that old, which is weird. I really don't. But you say that you start to feel a little invisible. Like the rest of the world doesn't really count.

I've never, ever, never said that I personally feel invisible.

You never, you never, you didn't say you personally, you said that the age group that you're in.

Correct. I, not later than yesterday.

Not earlier than yesterday. I heard somebody make this remark that what's the difference, what I wear, we are invisible at this age.

You know, a senior person in my building said that made that remark.

No, I don't. And I think in no small measure, it is now I'm going to, I don't know how Joel will handle this.

But this thanks to Joel, putting me sort of activating me and, and having me feel as part of SPS.

And, and I tell you there are other reasons why, but I'm definitely don't feel invisible.

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You know, I could almost cry right now and I won't I was pretty emotional with calm last night.

But the fact that I get to spend an hour with my mother, I do take it for granted.

I think most of us take for granted that we have whoever we have in our lives.

But many years from now, when I'm an old man, nothing dies on the internet.

So Carm will be able to my kids will be able to watch these shows.

I thought Joel and his wife for early 40s.

I'm 56 years old, but I appreciate that.

Now my wife, I have no comment because I may or may not have married a younger woman.

That will make your day.

This is a low blow here.

Simone, you're my favorite person in the entire world.

You're the opposite.

You're the opposite of.

You're the opposite of Sue.

Lee and Tennessee.

Isn't your sister, Arden, your parents greatest gift.

To low blow Lee.

For those who don't watch the show regularly, my sister is the perfect child.

And she does usually listen on Friday.

So shout out to Arden.

Arden has the prettiest first name and the absolute worst middle name.

And I won't reveal it.

Don't reveal it because I may have to disown you if you.

As pretty as Arden is her middle name.

I don't know what my drug.

Let's change the subject.

Yeah.

Carm, you're wise, beautiful and funny.

So happy you're here today.

For those who do not know, Fridays are just a little bit different, especially after I've had ice coffee that's laced with mushrooms.

Hi from Tippery.

Tippery Ireland.

Carm.

Love the show.

Always.

It's a global phenomenon.

Thank you.

Joe, you are never too old to call your mom mom.

Prayers for Nancy.

100%.

Shout out to the Republic of Ireland.

By the way, I am going to start calling it a galactic phenomenon.

Can I say something really paranoid?

Yeah.

I think that in the building, they must have sprayed against bugs or something because I never have this allergy.

And right now my eyes are really tearing up.

My nose is running and I feel like I have an allergic attack.

Carm, don't find about yourself.

No one can't.

It's about how you feel.

I guess you see me dabbing myself.

Okay.

All the love New Zealand is in the house.

Ireland's in the house.

Malta is in the house.

But Carm, let's get back to this.

By the way, yesterday I was driving my son to soccer practice.

And I passed a building that's under construction and it said for 55 and over living.

And I was unbelievably offended.

Like there were photos of like older people.

Only a year you could live there.

I could live there.

I was so offended.

I wanted to like graffiti the buildings.

It's not open yet.

And how dare they put me in their demographic of 55 and over.

How dare you?

You want to be chilled up?

Yeah.

Yeah.

A-A-W-R-P.

Available.

A-R-P.

A-R-P.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The retirement.

Yeah.

I heard people.

Yeah.

You could be a member already six years.

Yeah.

Thanks.

Carm.

So back to this notion now.

The FBI believes if you missed the top of the show, there is breaking news.

And then Nancy Guthrie case.

The FBI now thinks that perhaps a jammer was used to jam the Wi-Fi.

But, you know, we've talked to a lot of criminologists, profilers, you know,

your friend, Dr. Ann Burgess, Greg McCrary, some of the best in the world.

And most of them do not think this is like a sophisticated smart.

A doctor.

What do you think, Carm?

Because now if you're using a wipe, if this is true that you're using.

Carm, let me finish the question.

I love you.

I've finished the question.

Now, what are you now going to get yelled at for being rude to my mother?

Even though she interrupted me, now I'll be yelled at for being rude to her.

But let me ask you, what do you think of the sophistication of this?

The sophistication of.

Hold on a second.

Avonnell Hansen.

If you don't know Fridays, you might want to go check out Mr. Beast or another channel.

Because this ain't small talk.

This is mom and son talk and it goes on for most of the show.

I love you.

Avonnell.

What was your question before this?

The level of sophistication.

New jerseys in the house.

Okay.

I think.

I think that.

Yeah.

What is it?

Acquins.

Razer.

I just learned the three sets.

The very recently.

And I love it.

Yes.

Acquins.

Acquins.

What did you call it?

What did you call it?

Acquins.

Acquins.

Acquins.

Razer.

And that is that the simplest explanation is what will be the explanation for what happened.

And I think that.

The people who did this and maybe they are two because it was very hard to carry out.

Nancy.

By one person.

I think they were at least two.

They are even some indications that they were signs that they were giving each other.

When they were carrying.

When they were in the.

In the doorway.

So assuming that they were two.

To carry her out.

They weren't so.

Simple minded.

Because if they would have been so simple minded, it would have been easier to catch them.

I don't know if they were.

Why?

The question is why did they resist a million and 200,000?

Were they people who are very wealthy?

And they did this for some pathological reason.

And they didn't need the million 200,000.

Or it's very possible.

It's very possible.

You know how in this detective stories that you watch in movies.

That the people who actually committed the initial crime were killed by the other people.

Yeah.

That's a possibility.

It is a possibility.

And look Teresa here thinks this is a criminal group.

It makes the most sense.

Maybe.

Exactly at the same time when I wanted to point out that it could be one of the possibilities.

Somebody said a criminal group or organization.

They're going to focus on people of a certain age living alone.

And what what happens?

Carmed lesson.

I just want to be clear.

You produced me.

And you produce my entire life.

You you micromanaged me.

But you're not going to produce this show as much as I love you.

I produced a show and I will run the show the way I want to run the show.

The only thing that I have.

Carpe Diem says.

Don't raise your voice to your mom.

I knew that was coming.

Anita Mars says hello, calm.

This is on screen.

You are lovely.

How do you think Nancy would react to the perp entering her home?

Curious about your perspective.

So mom, it's middle of the night.

Someone comes.

Joel correcting.

But he cannot pronounce.

Tipper.

How do you pronounce it?

Best break.

Can you phonetically.

I don't know.

How do you think Nancy responded to being awakened in the middle of the night?

I think.

If I dare to say at our age.

All of our reactions, the way we look like we are slowed up when we woke.

And the way we sit down and stand up and.

We go to the bathroom during the night a lot and all those things.

I think we.

Our emotional reaction to shot is also different from young people.

I think we are even.

Slow and processing what's happening in that moment.

I don't think that she panic.

I really don't think she panic.

What what would you do?

I don't know where it comes from.

But there is an English.

I wish I knew who it was.

Who was.

Who had a whole kingdom.

And when he was in back.

I don't know.

I don't know where it comes from.

But there is an English.

I wish I knew who it was.

Who was.

Who had a whole kingdom.

And when he was in battle.

It was in the middle ages or there about.

And he was in armor on a horse.

And his horse was wounded.

And he said.

My kingdom.

Give me another course.

I'll get my kingdom for a horse.

So there is this expression.

A kingdom for a horse.

What is more important?

My life or my.

You know, just give me something to save my life.

My kingdom will not help me live.

A horse will help me live.

So I would try to negotiate with the person.

I really would try to negotiate.

That's.

I know, but your gift in life is your mouth.

So that's a good tool.

It's a good weapon.

It has a great energy and you have, too.

га.

That, like, if you get a big advantage over,

you have competitions in cable trends.

Saresky had Sarah Adams and og who left us for a

while and has now backed ski hat Sarah Google trends data

supports the idea it was one person who targeted her

because she was older and lived alone.

That's interesting.

I don't, I don't, I just don't.

I mean I know what Google trends is.

of weaponry, I'm serious, in your apartment, like anything, would you ever try to, at your

age, would you ever try to like grab a knife or something along those lines? No, no.

It asks you what, it asks you why? Do you feel like it would be used against you ultimately?

No, because I'm not trained in it and I would be slow. My reflexes are slow.

Okay. Let me, can I just tell you about us people, older people living, wherever we are living.

By the way, did I hear you correct? I don't want to air anything private, but did you have to take

a friend of yours to the doctor? What? Did you tell me, did I see a text where you said you had to

take off? No, this one. Did you have to take a friend of a friend of yours to the doctor just

now or recently? The emergency room I had to take, but just before it became on the air. Is she okay?

Perhaps I know I left her there. Are you going to go get her? After this podcast on

Get in touch with her and find out what's happening. By the way, it's called tipper, tipper,

tipper, air, ray, tipper, air, a tipper, air, go ahead. You shouldn't let us sing song,

tipper, airy. Carm, have you ever been to Ireland, Carm? No. Yeah. Carm would totally talk her way.

I'll go ahead, Carm. So anyway, what, what was happening?

Mom, look at this comment from Mandy. If they kidnapped Joel, the kidnappers would offer the COE

$1.2 million to take them back. All right, go ahead. Thanks Mandy. I love this one. This one

we should have on a t-shirt. Yeah, thanks Mandy. That's cute. That's cute. And probably true

to a large extent. But anyway, can I just address for one minute the issue of elderly people?

Yeah, the whole show is going to be there. I just haven't gotten there yet, but go ahead.

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for more information. The whole idea of Nancy living alone on a very dark

street with built houses very far from each other is something that is to me very interesting,

because she has been living there when her husband was alive, when she was working for 17 years

for the university. When she retired, in other words, this was her home for forever.

And everybody got very used to it. But they overlooked one factor, the passing of time.

It's not the same Nancy. First of all, Nancy had this dog, a very cute dog, a black

I mean, maybe a poodle or something of that nature. She had a dog. The dog knew how to bark.

The dog died, no dog. Okay, no dog. Nancy living all alone in her house. She didn't even have

this gadget that I got immediately after my husband died, where you can press it and it's a life

alert. Okay, she didn't even have that. She had her daughter very close by two and a half miles away,

but as we can see, that didn't help her. Nobody, it's a horrible, horrible analogy and now you're

going to get a lot of hate mail. But it's very similar to the story about the frog that he goes

into a pot of water and sits very quietly and contented for 84 years. And then suddenly, one day,

somebody puts lights a flame under the pot. And the frog is beginning to think, oh, this is

getting warm, but he's so used to being in the pot that he doesn't jump out until it's too late.

And the temperature gets very, very high. So the analogy is that people don't realize that things

change with age. In many cases, older children do not call regularly, even to check if

not your son, not your son. You have an absolutely perfect record and your sister as a perfect record.

But we, for example, we had an uncle called Uncle Alan, who had sadly no children, his daughter died.

She hold on a second. She died at my bar mitzvah right after my bar mitzvah.

Not about you. After the rest of his life, the guy hated me. I was, I was a 12-year-old

pre-pubescent boy who was supposed to be a man that day. For the rest of my life, that guy hated me.

This has nothing to do. And if people hang up on us, they're right. They should. Because this

has nothing to do with the story that I'm trying to make. Actually, I was two thing, my own horn

in this story. And you, you, you became a story about you. Go ahead. We shout out to black

with door. The Republican alarm. Yeah, no children, this uncle. And he had a hard condition.

And he lived in Holland, Dale, which is like 20 minutes or 30 minutes from here. And

every single morning clockwork at quarter to nine, I would call him just to make sure he woke up

and he's alive. And that's what older people need also. They need somebody who will just call

up and see, are you okay? Is everything under control? And they, they, if they don't get that,

they become, they start to feel invisible. It's very common for older people to get depressed.

It's like, well, I'm holding a very thin line so far. I didn't get depressed, but I feel the

potential. I feel it lurking on the side. But because of all the positives, I didn't get depressed,

but it's very easy for an older person who is becoming more and more unable to take care of

themselves, who is, who had a lot of losses and so on and so forth. And it's not a culture

here where the younger people have to have the older people get through their old age, navigate

through their old age. And I think that's a pity. And I think it should be changed.

A couple of things I have to say, and we're one, the perfect sister, Arden, has not gotten you

the Apple Watch to the best of my knowledge, which he said she was going to do two, three weeks ago.

You could have tripped in that time. So Arden, if you're listening, I'm happy to chip in,

but you should have ordered it. Number one, number two, please like and subscribe. Number three,

a quick story about Uncle Allen. He was not a poor man in the 1950s. Oh my God. I do not, but I do

not. I do not know this country. He was a leather salesman. He used to buy and sell leather.

That was his business. No, he was a lesser expert. A leather expert. He worked in a tannery and he knew

everything about leather. And let's leave him. May he rest in peace. But Uncle Allen,

he would put up his hurricane shutters because back then there were no hurricane proof windows.

And he would leave them up. Basically, oh, once he put them up, he didn't want to spend the

20 bucks to get the maintenance guy in his building to come take the hurricane. So he sat in the

dark, sat in the dark and how and they'll beach. Basically all year round with his hurricane

shutters up. May he rest in peace. The guy didn't like me. I like him. Whatever. I'm over at Uncle

Allen. It's my, it's my grandfather's brother. By the way, Grandpa Milton, one of the sweetest

guys you'll ever need. You'll start to hear this. Peep artists is going. I'm going through a hard

time. A rough time says, Peep artists and your mom's personality really cheers me up.

Calm to someone going through a hard time. And I pretty much do that every week to the extent of

it is different for everybody. But what's your advice to someone who's having a really difficult

time right now? Well, is that person isolated? Is there any human touch type of things? Take for

example, Savannah Gutty. They are emphasizing yesterday she went to visit her

NBC station where she works. Yeah. Everybody's talking about how much love she got

and how warm she was received and how happy people were to see her. And

all that was helping her in her morning and in her loss. And we should never, ever underestimate,

ever underestimate how a few kind words really have. They really have. It's not a cliche.

As a social worker, I saw that over and over and over again. One of the, one of the weird

things is that social work is not a hard science like math or something. But it plays a very

important role in the sense of giving love to people and caring. Even medicine that is

taking care of people is set up today that the doctors have no time to talk to you. I go for my

check-up every six months. And the doctor zooms in and zooms out and the nurse checks your

EKG or whatever. But the doctor has no time to even find out how are you?

Carm, look at this comment. Thank you for that. And I appreciate what you're saying. Shout out

to New Jersey mom and son, Route 18. Do you know any times I have been on Route 18 in my life,

probably 37 million East Brunswick Racken Club, where yours truly used to play tennis with

Lyon Eric Menendez is there. The Lomond shopping plaza. Melissa is Lomond still exists.

The Brunswick square mall. Does the Brunswick square mall still exist? I spent, I probably

logged 37 million miles on Route 18. Shout out to East Brunswick High School. By the way,

when we were in high school, we had friends at East Brunswick High School and they had their yearbook

was called the emerald. And we used to go and look through the emerald for girls that we wanted to

date the emerald. So that's how closely connected I am to. What does it mean? Kindness goes so far.

I don't say it's a panacea. I say that it certainly makes a difference. And that older people,

there are so many older people who are isolated and nobody calls on them and nobody checks them.

And it's hard to believe that people behave like that. By the way, if you see a QR code on

Fridays, I do this. I wrote a book about my mother. It's about her life story. She's a child

Holocaust survivor. The QR code, if you put your camera up there, we'll link you to, it's a very

important book to me, less so to my mother. And I just want people to want to work to get out there.

So if you want to, if you want to get a cover, we just had our two year anniversary of doing the

audible version. We did it in a rap studio in Miami where Carmen, I fit right in on the smell of

marijuana wafting through the hallways was incredibly intoxicating. But the QR code is up there.

And I would love for everyone to share that book. You just can buy one copy. I don't care,

but just share the book with the world. I'm news of the channel. Love you both.

Carmen is making me cry with the words. Tonya, that is sweet. And your dog is sweeter. No offense,

but I love dogs here. Carmen, let me ask you a question. And then there's a video we have to play.

But there's 84 and 86. And then there's 84 and 86 like Nancy Guthrie used to cane. She was on

blood thinners. You as far as I know are incredibly healthy for the most part. You might move a

little bit slower. But Carmen, you were sharing your workout videos with me and you're literally

up and down on like a giant. Your trainer has you stepping up, stepping down and is pushing you.

And you really aren't a typical 86 year old. I mean, you're very with it, uh,

cognitively. So we get the question out. Speak to us about the difference between 86 and 86.

Well, shout out ocean township. Go visit my friend Mike, uh,

Mike store Gary Michael spine jewelers, Manalapin, New Jersey. Give the guy a free ad. If I had

buy an ice cream cone right now and he treated me, he'd make me give him a dollar, 18 back,

a dollar and 18 cents back. He'd make me split the ice cream cone, but Gary Michael's fine jewelers

root nine and Manalapin right off of root 18, uh, one of my oldest friends. Go ahead, Carm.

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Go ahead with. I was asking you about that. So there's 86 and then there's 86. You're

all this closure. Don't have the illusion that I that I do all this without taking any medication.

I am very typical. I take medication for cholesterol and for high blood pressure.

Yeah. I probably take more than you, Karm.

Well, maybe and I take it for a long time. But it is a very interesting thing even about

exercising and with due respect and not mentioning any names. There is my trainer absolutely

refuses to consider her name is Ivan and Ivan refuses to consider my age. If I tell her

listen, I can't do that. I may stop everything for one second. I'm sorry. Amy Pliskin East Brunswick

girl right here. This is now the third person. The Brunswick Square Mall. Carmen. I

used to go to the movie theater at the Brunswick Square Mall. Carmen, remember I was kind of

fight with somebody at the Brunswick Square Mall because they wouldn't stop. Yeah, it was the

Brunswick Square Mall. Yes, it was. They were talking smack to you and I stepped in. I almost had

a smack them around and I get my ass kicked. But the Brunswick Square Mall literally just closed

a couple months ago. Amy, what's there now? I want to know. You may have seen a picture of me

in the Emerald. The only good pick I took in that thing was 1987. That's a year I graduated.

Amy, you got to email me. Surviving the survivor at Gmail. We literally. The guys from ex

Yugoslavia. Yeah. In high on park high school, we used to we were high school kids. We used to go

Emerald shopping. We called it. We used to go and pick up the East Brunswick high school yearbook

and look for girls that we wanted to date. And then we would go and try to meet them from the

other town over. You got it. You got to email me Amy Poliskin. But Carm, the last question I

asked you was the difference. I mean, like your friend, you had to take her to the emergency room.

People in your other friend in New Jersey whose name I won't mention has had some health issues.

But you're relatively healthy. But there's there's a big disparity in your 80s. But someone can

be very happy. You never let me finish because you need somebody. You never think that you never

let me finish because you cut me off. We both have a chance to deficit. But now I'm going to talk

I'll be fine. Even if he starts a chimes into it in the middle.

Go ahead. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead.

What what I wanted to what was I talking about? Me, me, me, me fly.

What was I talking about? Oh, I know what I want. I knew you forgot too. I could tell you.

No, no, no, you forgot it too. I have this trainer called Ivan from Columbia. She's a beautiful

woman in her late 60s. And she's like unbelievable. And she's also like very.

Um, um, Karmy, I got to stop you for one more second. I'm sorry. Ashley Rose. No, you

root night. She said, Joel, I moved to Massachusetts from LBI from LBI. Did you ever,

my parents had a house in Beach Haven that they bought in 1980 in Beach Haven. We went every summer

Ashley Rose. That's unbelievable. My parents bought that house for like 20 grand. And that's

the biggest one on Ocean Street Ocean Street. Go ahead, Karmy. You're talking about the

difference between, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore. This has gotten so

I'm sorry, Joel. Your coffee is kicking in your words than usual. And it's not me.

Go ahead. Anyway, this is a very interesting look at old age too. Uh, there is, there is a guy

in, in our gym who I, who I love very much and, and he's very nice. And he said, he said,

after 90, I am not training people. When they hit 90, I don't train people. And he is very,

he studied, um, physiology of exercising. And he is repeating the same pattern

of exercising. And he makes it lighter and lighter for people as they get older.

My trainer has the philosophy. She says to me, you are not 86. You are 65. And don't say anything

because I won't listen to you. In other words, she expects me to do things that are difficult.

And I went to, um, because I had some aching my back. And I went to a doctor and the doctors,

the doctor said, don't lift anything heavier than three pounds because you have, um,

uh, what do we, what do all people have? Anyway, I have the usual, um, I remember the word

hernia, hernia, scoliosis. The, the, the condition in your knees, you can have arthritis.

I tried it. And, and my trainer said, three pounds. That's what we did. And never you are doing

now 20 pounds. We are not going to change. This doctor doesn't know you. And she continued to

train me with that. And the back pain disappeared. In other words, many people, when they see that

you are getting older and frailer, treat you. And if you couldn't do anything, even my daughter does,

when I have to go somewhere, I'll come back in the evening and she says, we'll walk you home.

We'll walk you home. We'll walk you into the building. Or they treat you like very fragile. And

you begin to think that you are very fragile. Or they say, you're still driving. That's impossible.

That's impossible. Yeah, I should probably, uh, you know, I drive, uh, uh, uh, Ford Bronco.

Yeah, this is a very hostile act I have to tell you. She has to, she has to like grab the thing

and then like try to like lift herself up. And then I like to get this amount from the, from the

ground to get into the car. It's a very, very, very, I can do it in the morning early afternoon,

but not in the evening in the evening. It's really difficult. So I ask him, please give it to

your wife this car and take the other car. By the way, people think that I know I'm going to watch

a video. So people think someone said this is real life for the wall. And so people think this is

a stick. I even Steve Cohen, the great Steve Cohen accused me of this being a stick. Trust me.

The other day, my son was who's just shy of seven is like, why do you and grandma yell so much?

And I didn't say that he said I do yell at the grandma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was a lot of

super girl. But in any case, Carm, let me play something here. This is now. So as you know,

and let me get your take on this Savannah Guthrie was back in New York City yesterday at the

today's show studio. She wanted to see her college. Are you surprised that she was there? And

are you surprised that she is considering going back to work with her mom, not there? I don't

know that I could do that. No, I am not surprised at all because she she was told by many well-meaning

people that that would help her. If you remember the last time we saw her, she looked scary. She

looked totally devastated her eyes were popping. She aged from looking from going through that

and they said, going back to work will definitely help you and definitely will make you feel

almost a drop of normal. Yeah. Carm, let me ask you a question. If I was missing and you didn't

know where I was, would you go back to work or do the podcast without me at this age? Yeah.

Obviously, I wouldn't go back to work at this age, but I think she she has to go back to she

has a 10-year-old and the 12-year-old and the husband and the life and she has to go back.

Is Carm talking with a Hungarian accent? Yes. I wonder if it was arthritis that gave it away or

not. I'm not sure which word, but yes, Carm's from the former Yugoslavia aka Serbia.

But I'm going to say one more very important thing. Even though Nancy had a face maker and a

blood thinner and medication and everybody says that mentally she was with it and she understood

everything that was going on around her. Yet when people look at an old person, they

speak louder because they think you are deaf, even if you are not deaf.

They almost fell it out for you because they think you are just a little soft in the head.

They immediately declare you, you know, like, oh, senility is kicking in with you, forget the word,

try to hold the time. I'm laughing for a different reason. This summer, we had to pick up the girls

at summer camp in Asheville, North Carolina and Chud who you know all too well, Carm. One of my

oldest friends moved to Asheville from New Jersey and I've known his mother Phyllis since I was

five years old and Phyllis wasn't feeling well and she's like, in a, he Steve takes care of her

and she's, his name is Steve, I won't say his last name, but his nickname is Chud. Phyllis is

basically in a hospital bed and my kids are with me and I don't know why, but I was just screaming

because I didn't think she could hear me because I equated a hospital bed with deafness. So I'm like,

how are you Phyllis? And afterwards, uh, VZ and Chud are like, why are you yelling at her?

But it's weird. It is true. Like you see, um, an elderly person, especially who's like laying in

the equivalent of a hospital bed and for whatever reason, you feel like the only thing you can do

is scream, which is what I did. All right, Carm, um, is that why Joel yells at you? That's a good

question. Yes. Okay. So now Savannah was back at the, uh, today show, but now today, the today show

talked about the visit and here is, is this it? This isn't it? Uh, let me find the video, uh,

stand by everybody. May I say something about this?

Yes. See, see, oh, you're going to play the video. Hang on, go ahead.

Not everybody, not everybody works in a TV station. This is an unusual situation because most people

work in different settings in hospitals and in, um, I mean, millions of settings that are not

show business, okay? And I think her situation is complicated by the fact that

she's constantly seen by tons of people when she's at work, but and I think in a certain way,

her situation is exploited by the station because this is definitely a very

sensationalistic, uh, unusual situation. And it's harder for her to just blend into the station.

For a long time, she will stick out. Somebody suggested, I don't know who it was,

and maybe she should change the careers and work more like in elder care, in, you know, a program

where, where older people could be heard. Don't forget, we are becoming a more and more powerful

group because we are increasing, visibly. Life expectancy is increasing.

Uh, more and more old, old people are around. And we, we have a certain economic, uh, power.

And, you know, it's, it's like, uh, TV stations used to say, what was the, what was the,

the democracy, the, the TV stations were looking for before?

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The demographics, it was always women, what do you...

No, no, the biography of like between 25 and 30.

Yeah, it just like 25 to 54 is like the Target demo.

Yeah, that was the target demo and I think that they could easily increase it

to the older population demo.

Carm, can I talk about myself for just one moment?

No, please no.

So after the show ends today at about

230 Eastern time, I've got a couple things I've got to send out to some best guests,

but then I go through this cycle.

The minute I'm not working, I feel like I'm not doing what I'm supposed to do.

And I think it's because you've always put immense pressure on me.

Then Saturday I'll chill out and then Sunday night and then Sunday night,

my Sunday night anxiety will kick in about the work we coming up.

And if you use the answer question, do I work or do I hardly work?

I don't know, but it makes me very tense.

Do you want to discuss this now or later?

I think we can do it on our own time.

But your problem is that you are knowing me.

Okay, so here's the video from the today show.

This is now today post Savannah got three visit.

This is not a video COE.

This says this is a-

This is a search for Nancy Guthrie, the country,

and our own colleagues have rallied around Savannah and her family

to share messages of love and hope.

And on Thursday Savannah surrounded by support in studio 1A for the first time

since Nancy's disappearance.

The morning met with a swell of emotions is she embraced our today show family.

Thanking the team for caring about my mom as much as I do.

Savannah's inner strength shining through as she spoke.

Telling us, I wanted you to know that I'm still standing and I still have hope

and I'm still me.

I don't know what version of me that will be, but it will be.

Savannah resilient saying she plans to return to today.

I have every intention of coming back.

I don't know how to come back, but I don't know how not to.

You're my family and I would like to try.

Then Dylan leading us in a moving prayer for Nancy saying,

we're here holding hands as a family in a place where

we don't understand why this is happening.

It is not too bold to ask God for the biggest miracles every day.

We've had a powerful morning.

Also yesterday, Jenna and Chanel opening up about Savannah's plans to come back to the show.

Even though it feels like the hardest thing to do,

it's also her home and where she feels so loved.

And she is beyond loved here.

I hooked her and I'm like, you know what, you are here.

And we love you.

Yeah, everyone loves you.

And whenever you're ready, we are here.

Savannah has spent much of the past 34 days with her family in Arizona,

only stepping out in public once to read messages of support.

But through it all, she's expressed her deep gratitude online.

We know that millions of you have been praying.

So many people have been praying of every faith and no faith at all.

Praying for her return and we feel those prayers.

Savannah, making it clear.

Despite this heroine or deal, her faith in God has not wavered.

I'm holding on to my face, you told us.

I still believe.

And as my mom would say, where else would I go?

You know, it was such a moving morning, yesterday here in studio one,

and one of the most moving parts came after Savannah spoke.

Dylan Dryer, certified meteorologist.

Also, apparently, a pastor in training.

And let us in this spontaneous dryer.

You know, it felt like the right moment for all of us.

You know, we all feel so helpless during this situation.

When I feel helpless, I pray.

And we talk about how the today's show is a family.

And here we were, each of us praying individually.

Why not hold hands and send up one big prayer to God?

Let's ask for a miracle.

He wants to feel needed, right?

And so we ask for that miracle.

And if you don't ask, you don't receive.

But I think we also needed peace and comfort.

And prayer does that.

And I think Savannah felt our love as a family.

We gave that love to her.

It was our gift to her.

And getting a chance to lay eyes on her and her on us.

I think we needed to see her as much as I don't think people realized that.

Well, it wasn't planned.

It was actually in this room that happened right here behind us.

And it wasn't just us.

It was our entire crew.

There was a hundred people in the room.

And we spoke to the middle, no speech.

Spoke from the heart.

Said most perfect words you could ever imagine.

And looked every one of this this family in the eyes.

And I don't think it can be said enough about it.

People watch this show and they think like,

oh, these are people that happen like each other for years.

And they call themselves a TV family.

But we do life together.

And there is something very special about this group.

And yesterday was I think one of the most special days,

not just in our lives,

professionally but personally.

But also watching her through all the sorrow,

through the nightmare, through something that is unspeakable and unthinkable.

She's still Savannah.

She's still funny.

She was still cracking jokes.

She was still sarcastic.

And she said, I'm here and I'm still standing.

Her grace is second to none.

Under pressure and her faith.

You know, she wrote a book about it.

That's right.

Right.

And we know the answer.

We spoil alert.

What God mostly does is love us.

But she's a living example of that.

And I just can't say enough incredible things.

But what an amazing spirit she is.

I'm going to reserve comment.

Karam, what do you think about that?

What people in the TV station commented on her?

Yeah, well, we just watched.

Yes.

I mean,

those of us who are on podcasts

shouldn't throw stones.

But in other words, you know,

people in last houses shouldn't throw stones

because we also are in show business.

I think, let me tell you what I said.

But I think that she has a certain,

obviously she wouldn't have been in this lead role in the

today show if she wouldn't have something special.

And they are trying to articulate.

But just don't try too hard.

It's impossible.

She's special.

I have no doubt that they actually are a quote-unquote family.

What does this mean?

Love this.

Phenomenio Mundial.

Global phenomenon.

Oh, Phenomenon took me a second there.

Phenomenon Mundial.

Thank you to happy lady.

I'm a little slow.

I don't speak Spanish.

I probably need to learn it.

Carm, here's my take on that.

I have no doubt.

Look, I think Savannah got three.

And I know people that know her is incredibly genuine.

It's kind of what you see is what I never said anything

that she's not genuine.

No, no, no, no.

I know you're not.

I just think that if it was me and it was my,

if I was the executive producer of the show,

I would just have left it at what happened yesterday.

I don't need to hear these five people tell us

what it was.

I don't know.

It's just cheesy.

I just, in general,

it's just me.

I don't like morning television.

I'm not a morning person to begin with.

I just don't like morning person.

All right.

All right.

All right.

It's very.

Look right here, Kelly McLellan.

Joel, I think you're going to say what I think about this.

But they're making it too much of a thing there.

It's weird.

It is.

It's almost, you know what it is.

It's that they know that there's an aspect of ratings here.

And I know the inner workings of news.

And I'm sure there was an executive producer

who's like, you know what?

We should take Savannah's visit from yesterday

and do a sediment on it.

Because people are going to want to tune in

and we can create a promo and whatever it is what it is.

But like her tragedy is real.

And it shouldn't be playing out in this fashion.

In my opinion,

there's only my opinion on a national morning show.

You know what?

New Year's show.

And wait for the month.

The beautiful thing about human beings to me.

Personally, instead, human beings know what is what

and who is who and what's happening.

Nobody can tell you you have to love this person

and you have to hate this person.

And what's going on and what's real and what's not real.

Let me jump back in, Carm.

Like, that's what it is.

People are saying it's what it comes down to.

It's just very, I like this style.

It is what it is.

Very inauthentic.

And the reason I make it a point to just talk to you

about everything in my life is I hated that about news

is that it's totally inauthentic.

I think Savannah is a very authentic person.

I don't know her.

But the reason I share with you a lot of things

that most people wouldn't share is I don't want to be this

Instagram podcast guy where the world is perfect.

Rainbows and butterflies.

It's not.

It is not.

Life is brutal.

Life is hard.

It's tough every day.

I go through crap every single day.

Last two weeks, I thought I was dying

from some unknown illness.

I felt horrible.

Anyway, the point is I think authenticity goes a long way.

And I think the reason that podcasters

are having some success or modicum of success

is because there's authenticity.

I never want to be one of these cheesy ass.

I'm not saying that they are.

But like the eight second sound by I just don't think

that they should be playing up Savannah's visit

when it's about her mother who might be dead somewhere

in the desert, you know, in a studio in New York City.

It's just not authentic.

It's just not.

I think that you made the point.

Okay, let me move on here.

Carm, let's sum this part of it up.

I also want to spend just a couple of minutes talking to you

about my favorite three brothers, the Alexander brothers.

They're deliberating right now in federal court

in Lower Manhattan.

And let me tell you, I'll get to it in a minute.

Carm, do you think that older adults,

the Nancy got threes of the world?

I will not include you.

And I refuse to believe that you're getting older.

But do you think they underestimate their own vulnerability?

I think she has three children.

And they are used to her being a very independent person,

living in her own home.

And taking care of her business.

And they probably took a great pride in this.

By the way, can I just say one more thing?

Yes.

We were talking yesterday with a group of neighbors.

And we were saying, you know, many of them will go home.

They're here only for the winter.

I'm here the whole year.

And they were saying, we were saying, you know,

when we get together next October,

we will be some of the time will be obvious

that time has passed between March and October.

And that we have diminished in not in a major way,

but a little diminished.

And sometimes when people come back in the fall,

you see the wife, you don't see the husband,

the husband died during the summer.

In other words,

in other words, that's how the,

this is how the golden years go.

And the children in a certain way refuse to believe that

Nancy was getting more vulnerable.

I mean, they were, they thought if they pick her up for dinner,

if she comes over with an Uber for dinner and they bring her home

when it's later and dark out,

they felt that she was safe.

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I got a text message from Arden.

She writes, that's rude.

This is my sister.

You should have ordered the Apple watch from mom.

Do not push off your responsibilities on me.

I guess you're listening, Arden.

Arden, you're the older sister.

You still get me.

I don't see that I have the life alerts.

I will get you the watch.

My sister is a very sweet person.

I have no more room on my sister.

So nice that she's insulted that I threw her under the bus on my podcast.

Can you believe it?

I will get her the watch as long as you pay for it.

I'll get it.

As long as you pay for it.

What an horrible human being.

It's amazing.

Since I start this podcast,

I get I end this show.

I have hate tweet.

A hate text from Ilyana, my wife from you.

Now from my sister.

Everyone hates me.

I do.

It's not there was zero hate.

We want to meet Arden.

Arden, I are like polar opposites.

Someone says I stand with Arden.

Arden, if you want to come on the show one week,

you're more than welcome to come on.

No, but Arden, if you're going to accuse her on the show,

she should respond.

She is very nice, but she's not the pushover.

No, she's not.

I'll cut you a deal, Arden.

Buy the watch and I'll go pick it up at the Apple store right here.

We'll split it.

I'll split it with you.

Has that?

Carm, they are deliberating right now.

The Alexander brothers alone,

orange and tall were just tried in federal court in Lower Manhattan.

Now 11 accusers took to the witness stand in this trial.

More than 60 women have come forward in this trial

in with civil suits, but 11 took the stand.

As you know, I have two daughters.

If what I read in terms of testimony

ever happened to my two daughters

at the hands of these brothers,

they would not be going to prison.

I would be going to prison.

What are your thoughts on these three young men

from our neighborhood here in Miami Beach?

I am very, very, very embarrassed by their behavior

and I am very, very upset about their behavior

and I don't follow the trial.

First of all, you cannot follow the trial

because it's in federal court and it's not reported.

And second of all, I really try to protect myself

and some things are really not productive enough

or good reason just to get aggravated, upset and destroyed.

I just want to, I don't, I honestly am not afraid of

airing anything, but this is almost, it's not me, this is them.

I don't even know how to explain some of the things that they said in testimony.

And luckily, I guess it was in federal court, so we didn't hear it.

But there's a video that they showed during this trial,

and the prosecutor at the enclosing arguments talked about.

His name is Andrew Jones.

He says, this is now an underage girl and this is video.

I want to explain this.

They showed this to jurors.

And the prosecutor enclosing said, and by the way,

some of this, well, all of this is trigger warning.

So if you have a hard time with this, please be involved.

I was going to show it now.

I'm not showing video.

I'm reading to you.

The prosecutor said, when you saw him, meaning one of the brothers,

pick up her limp legs and climb on top of her lifeless body,

you knew what you were saying.

This is an underage girl.

And then

or an Alexander responds on video.

I can't, I can't even read the quote.

Because I want to show the animalistic levels.

I want to ask you a follow-up question.

They blamed the woman for doing, quote, unquote, too much cocaine,

which we don't even know if they did,

that she couldn't function sexually, but she was a lifeless.

Carm, there's a special place.

People are prepared to hear about aging and Nancy battery.

And they said, right now, it's very triggering and very upsetting.

And you cannot, if you are going to run this, it's smartly.

Let me just, what is that space goes?

I don't even know what those emojis are.

Can someone tell me what those emojis are?

Let me ask you a question related to this.

Would you be able, listen, criminal defense attorneys are like the core of our democracy

and our judicial system.

Like you've got to have criminal defense attorneys,

but there's this guy in Miami Howard Srebnik.

And he said in closings, this is not a church.

This is not a synagogue.

This is a courtroom.

Talk doesn't constitute a crime.

They should be embarrassed and they are embarrassed.

Really, does this guy have daughters?

I want to know if this guy has daughters.

I really do.

I don't know how anyone could defend this behavior.

And what they're doing now, what they are doing now,

is they are trying the defense to play the letter of the law.

Because as I understand it under federal statutes,

you cannot charge someone with the word that rhymes with grape.

You can only charge with sex trafficking,

which includes force fraud and coercion.

So these attorneys who, and some of them help get Sean,

did he comes off, are saying,

well, they might have been grape,

they might have been that, and might have been sexual assault,

but it wasn't sex trafficking.

Do you think these guys are going to walk today, Karm?

May I say something?

I read somewhere that even if they are acquitted on the federal level,

they still have to be,

they will still have a trial on the state level.

Yes, they will face the charges.

These guys will not walk.

There is no way that they will walk.

Please tell me.

So you think there's going to be a conviction here, Karm?

It could come in here, but certainly on the state level.

I mean, Karm, let me ask you just a question.

I mean, you're a woman.

You're not a man.

I have fatherly instincts.

You have maternal instincts.

If someone God forbid did this to your daughter,

how would you react?

How would you react?

This is what I know.

Well, I can't, there are enough other horrors that I can imagine.

This, this, I can't even imagine.

Don't forget I have the five grand daughter.

I mean, I have seven grand daughters now.

These are the absolute made.

They're already one.

To me, these guys are worse in a lot of ways than murders.

These guys, to me, are worse in a lot of ways than murders.

And there's other people tied up in it.

And if for some reason they walk, I am going to be,

I'm going to really lose faith in our system.

If these guys walk, I have avoided this case.

I have avoided this case.

I'm a retired therapist here, too triggering not my work.

Now, this is smart, mom.

She says it's not worth her energy.

Karm, why do I get worked up about things that really bother me?

No, last minute you got worked up.

I won't think I am not going to move.

I got emotional last night.

I cried a little last night.

It felt great, Karm.

It felt Vantá wasn't expecting it.

But it felt great.

Can I say something?

May I say something?

I have no idea how my knee is.

I don't have a doctor.

I have an MRI and no doctor.

Thank you, Space.

Go ahead, Karm.

Go ahead, go ahead.

Don't say anything anymore about yourself.

People don't like sub-centered people.

And I don't blame them.

I'm just asking them.

The definition is not that the person is sub-centered.

We all are sub-centered as the norm.

But if you become sub-centered more than the norm,

it doesn't look well at all to me and to the world either.

So let's just say I am still optimistic.

I cannot help it.

I think that Nancy, at least her body will be found.

So that she gets a proper funeral.

Do you believe she's dead at this point?

Yes.

You're optimistic, but you have no hope she's still alive.

I'm optimistic that she will be returned to her family for a proper

burial and mourning.

This is unheard of in the civilized world

that some of these three people's three adults' mother

is not there at the age of 84 to be buried properly.

And maybe there is a miracle, maybe to be returned to life.

I personally and I don't need any sympathy or violence or anything.

I am used to nobody's because my father was cast

and and incinerated in Auschwitz.

And I never we never had his body.

But in the normal world of civilization,

it's a it's a horrible thing, especially in a normal country.

This country is I consider normal.

Not to get to the body back for burial is to me

as barbaric as the Nazis were.

What do you think went wrong in this family?

In the Alexander brothers family, the three of four brothers.

I just want to know, I just want to know three of four brothers.

I just curious what your thoughts are.

Two thirty at two thirty.

Do you have a theory about why three of four brothers are on trial?

I think they did probably very unethical, very

perverted sick things when they were growing up.

And there was nobody to set limits on them.

And they just let them.

I remember when I was living in a island part

in the next town called Edison,

there was somebody who did something very moral.

And they said you should look at his father.

He also did immoral things.

By the way, somebody was just condemned,

indicted.

There was a trial about the father of a boy

who shot up a school.

Yeah, the father.

And they found the father responsible.

What do you think of that, Carm?

Well, in certain cases, yes.

I mean, in general, they say that the fathers don't pay for the sins of their sons.

But in certain cases, they don't do have to pay for the sins of their sons

because they were the enables of their sons.

Yeah, I would agree with Joyce that this country is far from normal.

It might be the greatest country.

As they say, this country is not far from normal,

but it's the best country in the world.

Carm, let's put a bow on Nancy Guthrie here.

We started with Nancy Grace, where I had a Freudian slip,

but we actually ended up talking about Nancy Guthrie.

How does this all end?

What's your theory, by the way, Carm?

What is your personal theory about what happened?

I am beginning to feel that it's some kind of a real

weirdo who gets off on being in connection with Savanna through this crazy act.

And the money is not as important to him as what's going on in this head about this.

Interesting.

So you think that the motive is related to some sort of obsession.

And I have to go, Joel.

It was nice meeting you.

Very nice meeting you.

Where are you going?

Where are you going?

She's reading the comments.

When you go silent, she can't do two things at once,

so she's reading the, where are you going?

You are not doing such a great job.

I got to say something honestly,

like I've said this before, I exhaust myself.

I really do.

I'm going to leave you guys with one quick,

calm story.

I've never met someone that has the ability

with just their, the lashing of their mouth to just destroy a person

the way my mother has.

And I'm not saying because she's my mother.

And I've told this story before.

But many years ago.

Oh, Joel, please, it's so boring.

You're just taking.

Many years ago, we were on a bus in Jerusalem of all places.

And in Jerusalem, obviously, a very holy religious city.

By the way, Phil Waters is supposed to go.

I have no idea if he's going to be able to.

I don't think so.

However, and by the way, we are doing a member's only live show this Sunday.

Members only live show this Sunday.

We're going to be showing pictures of Iceland and all of that.

But we were on a bus in Jerusalem where you've got these

calcitic Jews and they are not physically allowed to touch women

because it's too tempting.

So there was a pregnant woman on the bus and this guy kept moving his knees

instead of being a gentleman and getting up.

But he looked like this very holy man with a beard and

sits this way that's on the payus with all this stuff.

So calm walks over this guy.

And in Hebrew, because calm speaks Hebrew, says

something just biting and skating to this guy.

And the guy looked like he slunk into a shell.

And I was young and I'd know it.

I was like, what did you say this guy?

She said that you can look and act as religious as you want,

but you're going to go to hell.

You're a horrible person is what she told this guy.

And because he wouldn't get up for a pregnant woman.

So I don't know why, but I felt the need to end with that story.

Do you remember that story, Carm?

Yeah, I remember that story.

Because you bring it up every now and then.

And he's probably dead by now.

Do you think he's in hell?

I do the fifth now.

Fifth amendment.

Love you, America.

Love you, Miami Beach.

That's where we both are.

Love you.

Tucson.

And the motto.

The whole of you for the wonderful comments about me.

Yeah, the catch phrase is bring her home.

They really need to bring her home.

She's a sweet look and whether that could be Carm right there.

If Carm was missing, I would go to the ends of the earth to find her.

I sure as hell wouldn't be back at studio one day.

I would give a crap about that.

What don't judge the person?

No, I'm not.

Where's your mom's of hell?

But I would have to go and I would have to retrieve you, Carm.

I would call in the help of all my best guests.

Robert.

Yeah, those best guests are great guys.

They would really bad for you.

Best to go about this and stand out.

They would they would go to bad.

By the way, Carm not to end on a juvenile.

No, but Fred and Ethel both got groomed today.

And Ethel has an appointment next week.

She's overdue for some vaccinations.

Do I care is the question?

Love you all.

Love you all.

Bring her home.

Bring Nancy home.

We'll see you guys Monday.

Alexander brothers.

If we get a verdict, I'll bring it to you.

Love you all.

Have a great weekend.

Be kind.

Don't murder someone.

And if your mother's still with us,

give her a call and check up on her

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