New UAP Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Evidence (FULL INTERVIEW)

0:00Okay, so today's interview involves four people of course, there's myself Patrick, what's up? betters and as well as Gina one of the executive producers of the Y files joining me now Jean sticko is also joining and he plays an integral role in this interview In genus previously been on my show you can check out his interview He's got a whole crazy story as well, but his story is not what we're covering today who we're covering today is this gentleman and he goes by whistling Mike and as I'm about to lay out for you This is going to be an interesting interview because you see Mike It's never shown his face before and oh yeah, we'll get to that rock It's everybody's talking about that and then that of course leads us to this article that basically outed Whistling Mike who again I had on my podcast a month ago and this article Comes out and basically out some and of course we've got this picture of this rock that everybody's wondering what the hell this is or talking about

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2:10But is that the rock is that the rock that you gave Congress That part's correct. Yep. Yeah, and just to see completely clear on that That's what I like Oh, shit, right? Okay now so we'll get in we'll get into that later. There's some more items for show until kids, but wait a second You can wear those gloves the whole time No too hot According You Hey What's happening?

3:11I Stop Gene What's up, Veterans Patrick here with Vetted today. I'm a very special episode for you because today I have an interview to share an interview with someone who Up till now has remained anonymous and Unfortunately through this interview will remain anonymous as well For her deputy director of aero Tim Phillips went on Mick West podcast not too long ago and in that podcast He talked about someone who essentially tried to extort the US government of UAP materials We were talking about Whistling Mike and the event that's coming up and Patrick mentioned that you're putting it together Is that is that what your involvement is? It one protector individual

4:11We thought it was extorting us and we were going to Uh Hey him for his knowledge or his materials or he was going to take it to a foreign country Yeah, so I'm uh, yeah, Mike asked me to help him sort of Organize it and you know, I'm somewhat somewhat sponsoring as well Help you know put it together It sounded like a story to us and reported it for FBI counterparts and by the way we actually had it for his times FBI You know agents or analysts who are part of the arrow staff. So we did work very very closely with the FBI He's going to go through the details of What what he experienced what he discovered the the reverse engineering of the Of the piano the discovery of the raw material Sources Um, that's the the big rock

5:13The is in the is in the photo everyone's sort of representing So that was some like physical material that he had that uh, it was it was You know in terms of the extra terrestrial origins and shit like that is it's the Because again the craft was essentially displaying some level of the anti-germanic properties You know sent silent movement and in levitation and shit like that So It's like all right, so there are earth materials that can make this They do exist here in the United States Time stamp this because I don't know if it's something they'll want included But he went out of purchase the mine So he owns the mine with these materials well the person he was talking about Nobody is known who that is Until now and this is his very first public interview

6:17He goes by the pseudonym Michael And the things he had to say in this interview if true are absolutely Mind shattering the rumor I've heard is that You and maybe a group filmed something back in the early 2000s um And also that you somebody took a rock and threw it at it in a piece fell off and you collected it That's the rumor floating around just definitely. Is that is that how true? Is that well all like all rumors there's some truth in there The rock they hit the craft forget about has nothing to do with this story correct Just forget about that you see that's the rock is the one that's the skiff and as you read it That's chaining custody it's back in my hands Yeah, that's the same rock from the picture It's the same one as we also said right we mine Oh Not the same rock but the same Tutorial figured out all everything to get to this right

7:21And then We get to this the magic core of material from this And then we start working on that going on all sorts of things like a power source By looking at everything he's told you so far and everything he's shown you Do you feel like this is groundbreaking Like you feel like this is the most important part of The evolution of aviation So I'm gonna go into some things I haven't mentioned before but are vitally important People need to know about what's going on One is that Here don't give a shit about your UFO stories there's a lot of other things going on and I know people don't like the secrets but There are things that were said and happened in that skiff that it was to get out It would ruin people's career as soon as they run around the corner that staff member took the folder

8:23You know the guy I was seeing next to do it was a high up Asked him what to do with it and that guy literally said put in the trash And he went putting the trash in the guy said that didn't look good put it to the shredder shred the fuck Never made it to the senate Mike's intention is to make this Make his his tracking system commercially available Direct to owner operators of this critical infrastructure. This is your bombshell All right Senator rounds Talks a lot about me but people don't understand it Because they don't know who I am they don't know what I told I was told that literally everything he says Just for me and him's relationship over to you. I got the guy so You have I've seen images of the panel. I've seen videos Um because he has videos of the craft itself and in your ear

9:26Okay, other crit makes me gonna show those videos at the conference I'm hoping So I think it's time to officially reveal whistling Mike as Michael Spicer or realist face and identity on camera The very first time All right, vendors welcome Let's just get this going you know Um, we got a big story here. Okay. We got sheen in the house. We got Mike Spicer I can call you by your full name now might You have been revealed although you still buy six and glasses. That's okay We're being asked to hand over more and more personal information just to use the internet Most people turn to a VPN for protection, but use the catch with traditional VPNs They can still see both who you are and every single site you visit You're essentially trusting them not to leak or share that data

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11:30Well, at least that's how I put you in the show Michael But you have since been known now Online is whistling Mike I would be safe to say Um, and a new article came out which sort of unveiled your identity and um, I think this is where it all starts So I'll kind of just you know, let you take it from there Mike Yeah, well now I'll see the articles the key point right now. So um a while back just on X I got followed by Been Shrek and you're the man that wrote the article and at that time he was with Plitico and if people on worth Plitico Top media outlet Especially in DC. So I thought well, that's kind of odd You know, I haven't seen a whole lot of coverage of any of this in Plitico and sent me a message Just saying you got an interesting story. He not was obviously I came out because of the whole 10 Philps thing We'll kind of get into a little bit today But I'm gonna keep everything as this is gonna be all new information This is gonna be times and things together separate and other things

12:30But didn't only hear from them again, but I think I guess that was right and on the wall because in the open to zone You know kind of media outlet and he says the first thing is that he's gonna cover is uap. So Reach back out and we told him what we had going on Jean and I had already had this some presentation I'm controlled skies.com going And then now I'm sorry Mike real quick. Who opened a media company Ben's going private so when I say a media company just he's got it You know, so I'm not sure if it's a stavatical or it's permanent, but he's not he's now ex-politico But that's kind of where it picks up so we were telling them Jean and I were basically on the phone with them and on the email explaining to him what we were gonna do and The story that we were giving to him which is the whole point of revealing my full identity was that if you go back in To the foies from the FAA case of the Colorado Nebraska mystery don't you see my full name

13:32And I have a small part in that and the reason we're gonna be doing it in brush Colorado which is only about an hour from Denver International um Because that's always why you doing it there. Well, that's kind of the hotspot for where all this activity was at back then This is actually where all the 80 federal agencies were meeting trying to figure it out. So that story Kind of comes full circle of where I've come what I do right track things that no one had identified me in and as it moves forward It follows the same lines and that's kind of where the Colorado thing is gonna gonna kick off is The FAA and the FOIA you'll see in there that the special agent work in that case didn't have access to his own tip line Because he's saying I'm telling them I've told you I've already sent him my information through the tip line And it's in their word for word Now you might read that and say why would you admit to that? That's kind of makes you look bad Well, if you don't then you have to provide to the public what I send in on the tip line

14:32So do you want small hitter or big hit So they knew still to this day haven't released what I sent into them They also haven't released some other things that went on that I'm bringing the receipts for that includes Going to the media outlets. I was talking to pulling the journalist and the editor into a room and having a real nasty conversation with them Pressuring them to not talk to me or publish anything. I say We're bringing the receipts for that Pretty pitiful when you think about a journalist you think about your you know Your free you can't get pressured like that. Well, that's kind of how that whole case went You know, there was a sheriff that put out a A tip that they had received that there may be a van in the area with the antennas on it And then the next day the media went to him and he retracted it and said you have to refer to the FAA from now on for all releases so they shut that case down by the way there was a little bit of a truth to that van, but um That's how that went they shut it down They told everybody was a mass hysteria

15:34Made me look like a fool, you know the only thing they published on me was all my smartass remarks back and forth And uh think anybody knows me mine now knows I got a pretty good mouth on me And then at the end of that they presented as we want the FBI to go visit this guy Probably just some crazy guy, but we want the FBI to go see him In another FAA agent writes back they've agreed to do that like Dun-dun-dun Guys, guys, how many visits I got from the FBI over there Take a guess zero Not a damn one This may sound familiar as we'll get into today. Tim Phillips, right? I was extorting the government they handed over to the FBI. I get from any visits I got from the FBI over extorting the US government Zero it's all bullshit. It's a narrative control So that's kind of where the call route thing is that's what we were talking to Ben about Now Ben doesn't work for me, right? Ben has his own business his own company He's an investigative journalist. I went with one of the best one of the West, you know most well-known

16:39I didn't want to go with too much of the whole you know circus of UFO Twitter and some of those things so He did what he did as an investigative journalist. He started a poking around with this great contacts And I get contacted and said is this accurate? I've just found out you provided material that was in the SSCIS gift that then went to we've read the article right John Estrich who led the whole Case and then went to Dylan Guthrie And then back to you and as you read in the article, I think he said he had three sources. So Usually only need two to publish right? So all I said was yeah, that is accurate I mean, obviously you've already got what you need, you know, it's accurate So the only thing I wanted to clear it up is that I didn't give you that story. So I want to start there That didn't come for me. I don't own those pictures What didn't come from whatever that rock is sitting on I don't have any of that in my house or lab whatever that material is so The photo of the rock You're saying the photograph of the rock you have nothing to do with

17:43Nor Pitching the story so just be clear on this I did not sit in a photo of a rock with the story and say please print this to one of the most distinguished That's cave journals. There is so he found that But is that the rock is that the rock that you gave Congress That part's correct. Yep. Okay. Yep And just to be completely clear on that hang on We're gonna do some show and tell today That's what I like Oh shit, right? Okay, so we'll get into we'll get into that later. There's some more items for show and tell kids, but Wait a second. You didn't wear those gloves the whole time No too hot Only the sun gets is the whole time never the gloves all right Yeah, do you know, yeah, this that is the rock all that's accurate the chain of custody is completely accurate Any I mean he did mention it in the story, but just to clear this up

18:46This was not my plan. I thought this was too early for everybody right I try and Structure this people where they need to be Sure, it never works for me, which is why I'm back on vetted Claren shit up Bottom of the barrel over here. Yeah Just I want to say I'm not mad at been he's an investigative journalist. This is what the hell he does, right? And hopefully find some other shit that we haven't heard because we've been chased or asked for 90 years here, so Let me just for the audience Okay, let me read let me steal man some of this back. Let me read it read read or reiterate it back and you just Then we can move on from this just to be clear here One you have nothing to do with this article going out, right? This is not you're doing this is the his own thing He did his own digging and he put this out without your knowledge That he would be revealing your identity or any of that Well, no no looking into it Yeah, that's definitely clear that up

19:48What happened is he hit you knew my identity. It was agreed he was gonna release it It was structured into a three-part system Here's my name Michael Spicer Here's how or the reason we're releasing it Colorado here's the information I just gave you on the story about the drones the f.a. hide and things how it makes total sense now And then the third part was on controlled skies.com And that's the structured way it makes Since but the middle part the kind of the meat in between the bread what got taken out and then this story Flap it put it okay, so you knew an article was gonna come out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't know he didn't do me dirty like that. It's just What yeah in a vent coming out right and he talks about the event so it makes sense the because that's why I was wondering Well, how does this article just come out right before the event right like so okay? So that makes sense you knew this was it was just the stuff Like you said the meeting potatoes within the article he went and did his own work on it You actually found out new information by reading the article yourself about this

20:50Yeah, we've happened over this it's like if you want to tune Italian deli and you ordered the Italian And they threw pickles on it right it's just the middle is not what we thought the middle was gonna be here Okay, that's kind of what happened so I got it. No, I know the picture real quick The the picture okay, so the picture itself You did not take that photograph. He have nothing to do with that photograph. He acquired that photograph on his own But the rock that is in the photograph You are familiar with Everything in the story is accurate. That is the rock that's I don't own the photo. I didn't take the photo But again, you know as an investigative journalist does even things that haven't made it into the story You have to exchange hundreds of pages of receipts that go verified. I mean So it's all verified. It's true Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, and the rock you just showed us with those awesome gloves What rock is that is that the rock

21:53Similar to the rock that says the photograph like what What is that? All right, so we're gonna let's lead people kind of frame this a little bit here. So You know, let's kind of go through the story again. They got everybody confused the first time around There is a rock that's thrown out of track and This rock is not that rock and there's a couple reasons why one is Now no one can decide if this is titanium or if this is iron ore if this is volcanic rock But what the fuck would any of those we do in sitting in a field In Kansas where every time I've told that story I've said Kansas, right? Maybe we could ask Mike to go back just a little bit um We're before we get to the rock that gets thrown what is the situation that you come upon for the people who have an Urge your original story Like how did you get how'd you get to where you saw a craft or what were you doing and and how how the whole evening

22:59Go for you Yeah, so if you go back to the original for anyone wants a little additional information time touch on it lightly here At one point time was the ownership of a company I always help out even when I got a job making more money. You know, it's been like a hands-on sort of boss owner sort of guy We have an assignment. We run a lot of high technology monitoring equipment We're ways away. I gave the guys the choice. Hey, do you want to stay here tonight? I'll pick up the hotel or do you want to drive back? Do you want to drive back off throwing it on the drive, right? Yeah for people that are road warriors sometimes people just want to get back They don't want to stay at a hotel. So sure, so that all right. That's fine So we start heading back on a long trip. I have the last part of that For whatever reason. I've always done really well at night. I wake up night driving. I don't start getting tired to fall asleep. So We're starting to come home. We're getting really close to which talk Kansas And we see some lights out and a part of a fill that you know, this is getting towards home that we know there should be no lights in

24:03I kind of describe it as if you remember the old days of the the long like three-foot bulbs that you would put into office lights Up in the ceiling And then they would have the clear panel that would be you know, whatever it is four foot by two foot or setting that going on it If you can imagine two of those up just like headlights That's kind of what it looked like. So at that point time. I'm still thinking What is this because I know there's like no ballpark over there. That's the only thing you can really think But there's only two on there's not you know, it's not surrounding a field So you look at the clock right see what time it is No one just the speed that you know aircraft does also know and it's not really somewhere It should be that low if you're landing and how far away in airport is And it's just not getting to us. I'm like, okay, well then it's not aircraft And it's moving. It's moving now Uh and at this point time it appears to just be there at the same distance sitting there. So You know to not fall of the sky with biggest the lights look and I can't really think of what exact you know

25:06Their craft this would be but sometimes when aircraft turns on its headlights to come in and land You know, it's not sitting your familiar with versus seeing the shape. So I'm thinking they still got to be doing at least a hundred miles an hour And if they're doing a hundred miles an hour, they would have been here and gone Quite some time goes. So it's obviously not moving at this point. So You know guys of woke up or getting close to home the normal stuff It had this that happens on the trip somewhere we would have just drove by Because you don't know that field. Maybe there is lights there everybody's tired wanting to get home So it was like well hell we're almost home. What's what is this? Let's go look, you know, we know they shouldn't be there So We start going towards it and it's not a high-speed chase from the movies, you know, it's like 30 miles an hour, right? Because we're still like what is this? And as we start going towards it, we do realize it appears to be tracking away from us at kind of the same speed Again, it's a slow-speed Chase Eventually it does stop and we catch up to it and as we catch up to it, you know, keep in mind we've done all the things you would do

26:12You've rolled the windows down. It's it's Kansas at 3am. You can hear the crickets There's no noise, you know, in my mind. I'm thinking to myself. This is a helicopter And when you live in the sticks When someone gets hurt bad Sometimes you don't have time for an ambulance. They'll actually fly a helicopter in pick them up Take them back and when they do that because I've been part of some of these things You have to go out you have to tell them where the power lines are you off to make sure it's cleared Know you're gonna line it with you know, both of them sort of flares. They know where to land So if that helicopter beats you there just has to wait Right, it's not gonna land and get tangled up no electric wires or something like that. So What I'm thinking is I don't want to be the idiot that drives into the scene and then here comes an ambulance with somebody critically Kurt so that's why it's such a slow process going forward not just Well, and no point in time is I think and there's a UFO out there. Let's put it that way Three other people with me. Now haven't got into it. Yeah, haven't got that point yet. Well, there's also a second vehicle that would come

27:18with us just not right behind us And we can't figure out what this thing is as we get closer and closer You know, it's kind of like the eclipse looking at the eclipse don't do that of course But if you wanted to you could for a couple seconds while your eyes are watering right you can make out in the clips if you looked at the Sender and that That's kind of what it's like a bit the lights are absolutely blinding But I'm willing to rip from damage because what the fuck is this thing is we get up to it You start to see a craft being made out At that point time you have to kind of double check yourself And stop the journal and wise and say let me open my ears. Okay, I can still hear the crickets Why is there no noise from this thing? Should be deafening if it's a helicopter right now So because of the light we immediately make our way to the side of it get the light It's completely blinding us You have a craft now we're there and we're watching it

28:21We're looking at it Nobody really knows what to say so we're just kind of going back and forth trying to analyze stuff There happens to be a tree with a couple leaves kind of under it The leaves are moving If there's four of us right We're all awake no one's been drinking So it's there We sat in there for quite a while But the windows down You didn't just jump out there was no guns ablazing sort of mentality on this so Eventually after a while we decide hey We have a lot of high dollar marm d'inquipment with us How often is this going to happen right you know in a way I think we kind of wished it would just take off You know My mind I immediately think Now I know the things hovering there was a bit of a hum to it Now I tell people if you look up electrical things on YouTube like arcing your corona

29:21That's kind of what it sounded like most people don't know what a dry transformer is But sometimes in your workplace you may have ones that little green box and there's usually a yellow Barricade around it if it gets quite and hear the electrical hum That's kind of what you had but it's very low. It's not allowed Sort of thing You've ever seen a drone up close for even the cheap drones from Walmart and you have it come up and take off and it just self-crix jeep gas-wise and also the wind blown it left to right slightly you had that so I mean it is trying to stay level it's not perfectly level not moving or anything like that so We decide let's go ahead and take the shot you know my mind at this point time is telling me it's military Now haven't the do's yet. There's not alien or anything just yet but What I'm thinking through was come Comment says there's gonna be a response team for this fucking thing broke down here at some point time there's gonna be red and blue lights

30:22We're shit in the air Over this so that was my worry which is real world For the industry getting out for all those minutes sitting in there Watching my bro quick you thought this thing was broken down From what we've been do step to now right you know you can't just immediately figure stuff out but You know I talked about a couple times how if you look at our mo two most expensive programs We ever had were the f 35 and f 22 and those are both into the trillions right now and both of those are trying to Base of their goal is to have a 50% readiness rate So our two most expensive programs trillions of dollars each are just hoping that half of what we have Can fly and the reason for that is failures mechanical failures aerospace failures than trying to get the parts trying to fix it When you fly things they break When you fly things really hard they break even More if anyone's seen the news we just lost the underwater drone from androle

31:27Byran just toded up off of a boat. I mean this stuff does happen. So We felt like there was a mechanical failure slash data link failure and The way that it worked was is that it just hovers there until it can recover that versus one that would just crash to the ground So that was the where we've come on And what was the size the what what would you estimate the size of the craft? So you're talking like about a f 117 sort of underneath sort of frame So you got the triangle But if you look at f 117 there's also another little triangle out the the back. So it's not a perfect triangle You're talking on that one about a 40 foot Wing span so you're still talking fighter jet size but that's actually a small fighter jet 60 foot and you get into like You know the super hornet you start getting to 80 foot. So still a small fighter jet size craft But tremendous compared to you guys in the car Oh, yeah, of course, yeah

32:28Um, so and how how far off the ground is it at this point We always like to say less than 50 feet because there is some movement that it's doing but I mean at one point in time You're talking probably 25 foot is all that it's off. I mean we can still make out everything other than what's on the very top of it because you don't have that line of Site but if you think of a helicopter coming in at 20 foot up you can still make out front sides back Just not the very top And it wasn't flat Underneath from what you could see it's not flat. Do you see any details underneath So it's you know, and this is kind of why I thought military right in my mind. It's got panels It's not just one solid solid object It's got a craft Like when I say craft I don't mean what we see for people that report these and it seems like it's this flat triangle This is a craft

33:28This as much as I hate to say it has what appears to be a cockpit right in the middle of these two lights on it And I was telling everybody I wish that part of the story wasn't in it, but this is the honest story because as you know, I don't believe in Aliens or anything like that now Yes, I did try and look in right but with the angle nighttime different things. It's a dark canopy I couldn't see in and what I was trying to do is just see if there was any lights inside glowing. I didn't see anything glowing out of it. So It's just black basically. I there's nothing else I can make out on that but Um, it's it's an actual craft not just a triangle floating floating around so So you're basically trying to say there may have been a human on board, but you're not really sure you couldn't see into the cockpit Yeah, I mean, I think everybody knows by now that I agree with the physics wise that nobody could survive Survive this I mean there are drones that we have that if you look at you would say oh, there's a cockpit on that one

34:29It's not There's there's reasons why we slap those on some drone So I by no means saying and I would say there was definitely no human Evolved it would be remote piloted, but I am truly saying I don't have a way to prove Through that either either way Okay, yeah, we we we pull you know our results on it because of how serious this has gotten I've been in every federal agency. I just kind of trying to leave that there But that's not been left there inside the skiff Okay, so every time I went into the skiff I've spilt the beans That's why I was in the skiff starting in 2023 and was still in it in 2025 I didn't make one trip So we pull that we can pull data wise, you know, I'm still in my head saying there's going to be some sort of response team That's the overall thing eating at me Because I know where the closest air force base is and nothing's showing up and the air force base has assets

35:31You could have got there fast, so It's just you know, it's just confusing. It's kind of I guess where I'm leaving this At one point in time we get to where you know Keep in mind with just a team that normally goes out and analyzes things and pulls results So we've already went through we've counted the panels right we've talked over different things we've looked at this We've looked at that What do you do now you're talking getting into 10 minutes? You can just stare there and admire it and maybe we should have but you know my mind Is still like trying to figure out honestly what the fuck is this thing? We can pick it up on testing We can see it visually But I'm still just bothered by like is it here is it not you know, it's just it's just bothering me. There's got to be setting else Answers because no response teams came What do you mean is it here or not? Well more of a hypothetical thing because it's like okay, so then it's definitely here. It's definitely US tech But there's no response team

36:32So then I'm going back to like the the two The start and the finish is it here or not now we already know when get results for them see it Or is it definitely here in its military? But there's no response team so I'm stuck in the middle kind of bouncing back and forth on What else can I do which is the point of that To get some more answers to push me to the end I need to get to so one of the things that kind of I start thinking about is You know, I used to pitch back in the day right. I'm not what I used to be so I was like I bet I can hit that fucker With the rock from here because believe it or not you can tell things not a whole bunch But you can tell things by the sound It makes keep in mind you can hear crickets and stuff right Is it going to be hollow? I'm going to make it go I'm from Texas. Okay, I kind of drove from the country It sounds like you did too and that's the first response from the country. We're just a rock at it. Yeah, let's come up Let's see what happens. You know what I mean? Yeah, I love it again I had a couple of things in my head. Is it going to be hollow?

37:33You know, I want to know it's going to sound like really medley You know, I don't know if that makes sense to people like if you've ever thrown a rock at a shed or some shit in the country right? I mean, there's just certain noises So I had a curiosity about that I also wanted to know but also how to a little bit of worry like, you know, is it going to shoot back? Is that going to be what makes it take off? Is there a force filled around you know, I mean like just There it's going to be some answers here And I actually thought there's going to be more answers than there was So I throw the fucking rock and it hits it and the rock falls down and nothing really happens So no noise There was definitely a noise but not at not at a point where I could be like oh that sounds like metal or oh that sounds I mean nothing like a bell like ringing a bell or something or hitting Yeah, nothing like you said right for it like Yeah, I had grand ideas and this was going to tell me a bunch more information and it just Didn't really do you still have the rock that you threw at it? Probably not I think we did end up collecting and that and putting that somewhere but like because it's just a rock

38:34I couldn't fucking even tell you where whatever it became of I guess I should have like sign in frangit I don't know, but I mean it just yeah You know, I think the reason we collected it because everybody started getting fucking spooked like oh and I've been your principal You know, I mean like that sort of thing not You know a scientific reason for bringing the rock back. Yeah, no, no, you don't want any traces left by I get it right But this is not the rock you're seeing so everybody's got to forget about that fucking rock and that whole story So the rocks in the picture and the rock that you showed physically These are not the rocks you threw at this craft in fact you just said correct Correct, you threw a rock at it you may have picked it up, but You know, that's nothing to do with this story. It was just a regular rock on the ground It is it is and I just want to say because I've kind of got to the point where this community We're almost are kind of chewing their ass every once in a while Any critical thought would have probably told you that there wasn't a fucking lava rock sitting in a field of Kansas You know what I mean like come on Fuck sake well to be fair

39:36I said volcanic rock too. I thought that for a second. You don't know The fucking answers out here, you know, you hear all kinds of crazy things that I understand just you just say you're just kind of I just can't just be kind of spitting thoughts up. Yeah, well, I think you just people just spit thoughts out like they know what's going on That was a big 12 joke by the way, you know, because it's a Missouri people don't fucking get along. Yeah anyway I'll tell you I would I would expect a volcanic rock to be sitting in a Kansas field before I would expect an alien UFO If I was to pick up the joke close. It's close So So where this story then go Sorry, and we could cut this out, you know if you need to But just make sure you know is their clarity Because you've seen you've seen these things multiple times correct Yeah, that's like the first of the first right so you're talking about so right so what we're talking about is the first encounter

40:43And things like where you were saying that you know, it was uh, it was stuck or you know, it was stuck it was doing You know maintenance that part there that wasn't a result of this first encounter that's a conclusion you made after Seeing these things several times And the data you'd been able to collect that was a conclusion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, back on watch your pets Original I think we should we go over that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I just wanted to make sure because again, I think people might have gotten confused Sort of you know on reaching that conclusion and had to come there's the first time and you know You're talking about expecting the military to respond and things It just got a little convoluted in there and I just want to make sure I'm glad you pointed that out gene Yeah, yeah, well you can confuse them where so yeah, there's you know, there's a timeline at play here There's this first encounter with it There's the things you collect as a result of that first encounter

41:47And then there's additional observations that you make Down the road, you know, whatever that time period is if you want to go through that now or you know, we say for the briefing or whatever Yeah Well, I think that's gonna fit in as we get going on this to start talking about yeah sure Let's just wrap up the rock real quick and move from there, but thank you for that clarification gene. Thank you So that's that's the rock story and then the other story that gets mixed into it is why we're there There's really nothing else to do but look and watch um That's kind of you know the rocket at the thing right that's where we are with the story you do the rocket the thing It made a sound but not a sound you were expecting and then We're just standing around now the rocks laying back on the ground Nothing's happened nothing fired back on it, but you know and I'm a brave guy, but I'm pretty calculated and I think that not only did I not know what else we could do to get results

42:52But I've kind of used up my um my bravery You know, I guess we could have done something or thrown something else I'm kind of filled a fill right right now. It's about as far as I want to Great. Someone does show up. They're gonna probably be asking Why just do that walk at a US asset? In the sky so that's that's pretty much the end of that we're just watching because what do you do? I mean there's nothing but did something did come off didn't a pain come off and you collected it right? So again, we're just there watching we're we're staying around and then We have a piece there was some noise when the piece comes off Falls down. I mean you didn't really know what it was you just knew clearly because you watched with your eyes something has Has fallen off and literally almost immediately after that happened is where you get what favorite describes as bloke and it's gone and it just bloke and it's gone. So now we're there in a filled

43:53Bloop and it's gone which added, you know, I'm talking about going back and forth on these you know What is it? I felt pretty good. It was a US asset because we keep mine. We never seen it come in. It was just sitting there So I don't know about any sort of physics-defying technology the whole time I'm standing there. Can you can you can you just can we expand on bloke? It's gone What is that? Because that's it. It's really bloke And it's gone. It's just uh, you don't see anything. It just disappears You're seeing it with your eyes and then you're not seeing it with your eyes So here's the thing Normal craft not only would have not done this but you'd have some sort of ramp up. Think of a jet right you kick the engines up You know, it's about ready to take off Nothing no sort of ramp up no sort of you know rumbling loud noise just did you say which direction it went? No, no, I mean again, it's So you don't know if it went up if it went back if it went you know, no, no but you know

44:54Here's kind of thing about this. I'll tell people right before it left the only thing we did see is these headlights as we'll call them for today Turned off Those go off and then bloke It's gone again night sky. I would have never there's no way you know You just seen nothing you can't track that so yeah And the the panel that fell off before bloked out Was that a direct result of the rock throw did you knock it off the panel or? Yeah, not even the same part of the craft where you can't see where it falls off not even the same Not even the same area so in no way or shaped I think it was related to the rock. It's just two stories that somehow have got it worked the way into a Accommodation so and And so after blooped and is gone you're left with the evidence of the panel still

45:54That's still on the ground. That's what you collect. Yeah And how big is this panel? What's the size of the panel? So SSCI has the exact measurements and everything of it, you know, one of the things that I was talking about on past original podcast is that Things like when did it happen the exact year the exact date the exact time those are things that we all use and all everybody uses Incluses and versaries to figure out the algorithm So before radar you point at this at the sky you're just trying to figure out the algorithm right what was in the sky when it was here What's the data link was the satellite? So it gets kind of dangerous on that sort of stuff especially when we know that they're looking for panels That's what they did with the f 117 we got shot down They sent people around to talk to farmers and different equipment to try and find these certain size panels that they knew So what I'll say is it is a smaller panel I did it wasn't like we had to tie it to the top of the vehicle or some sort of Thing like that right you can open a door and put it in like it's not a massive massive sort of thing

46:58But you know we we deal with in our business and visit different time, you know high voltage electricity, you know Which it all even though it's in the middle of Kansas since by all means I'm out in the sticks and in the farmland Which it tells city Saying is the air capital of the world like that's we build everything here Defensive, you know my dad. He worked with the space program when he was building. I mean So everybody has a pretty good knowledge that's with us And we knew that there can be bad news when you get into So high tech aircraft and parts right like that part off the f 117 this the coding is technically toxic, right? So You also don't know if this thing is 10,000 degrees right you don't know if you know I mean there's all sorts of things So we gathered it in a way that we felt was the safest possible Way not just went over and Picked it up and you said we gathered it did you need more than one person to lift it?

48:00What was the weight? Okay, so so the size and weight of the panel is is is what would you estimate the weight? It's it's heavier than you would think when you pick it up But when you pick up a panel you could have done it in one hand. You know, it's not a um It's not like a you know, like I say it's not something that we had to tie to the top. It's not this massive Massive um object. So When I say we what I mean is when you have recovered material right I'm going to do it a certain way and other persons going to hold the flashlight and other persons going to hold the what we put it in You know, so that's why it's a we sort of scenario. Not necessarily that was that bigger heavy Got to But yeah, so we bag it we still stood around for like 10 or 20 minutes we went over options like do we call the police while we're here But the police didn't show up and we're starting to wonder like How are we going to explain what just happened Right here? I mean it just

49:00There's no answers, right? Cap waiting cap waiting and I got to the point like keep mine. We're out we're trying to go home anyway Where it's like I guess we'll just go home Surely this will be on the news tomorrow surely you know Someone else has seen this someone's called it in and that was kind of my first thought is I'll wait for that to get going And then I can call into whatever department or military branches Is handled this and then I can discuss this with them, but at no point time during this was it like Hey, we've got this piece of craft. Let's take it back and reverse engineer it. None of this is remotely On our mind so My thing is that it was the fact that it took off so How you described it so put was that the most astonishing thing that your group took away as y'all are kind of Discussing it and driving away that night like was that the And what the hell was that because of that thick moment of how it took off Yeah, I know so I would say it is, but a close second was that when we angle around to the side of it

50:05As you can imagine right we hit the brights and in that particular vehicle work truck you got when I say I we hit the bright You know it isn't the country like we hit the fucking rights and instead of lighting it up like it should have It was like it absorbed the light to where you just didn't get any sort of more Of a view and normally as you can see the lights going over it under and around it. I can see fucking You know the next guy's property a mile or sort of thing, you know So that was one of the things in the middle this where You start to say to yourself for everybody in the green says like what the fuck is It's going on here. So there were several different things in there that did it but of course Bloop it's gone by is number one, but I mean there were multiple things in there that just Didn't add that to make him send did you learn You know you said you had more encounters with this thing later on and maybe this shouldn't be a despot But you know, I just don't want to forget did you learn any more about how it takes off in your later encounters

51:09Yeah, yeah, I mean You know keep in mind at this point time we've only gathered data. Right. I mean this is just we're still standing there in that fill But When you get back with data and as the system developed and has developed you know over the decades now Then it becomes the normal breakdown, right? What was in the sky? Dattling quiet with GPS constantly. I mean, you know you go through If this was ours is how you look at it. What would it you know what what would cause that Then a hope really is you say well lightning strike twice meaning if all those same Variables or back in the sky one night Could you see this again and essentially the same sort of pathway because when you know what the variables are in the satellites You kind of know where the path starts and where it finishes We've also got a piece of it, right? So if you have a piece of it you can figure out at your own lab what it would take to see that In the sky knowing you because exactly what you're looking for versus just trying to look in the sky for something

52:14so That's kind of where it led to send around saying if someone else was trying to do this and they didn't have what you have at the piece good They do it and we said no So these this is all later on keep in mind, but So you're basically saying with that piece is crucial to creating the detection system Right, I mean without it probably impossible to do With impossible and we sure wouldn't have of wouldn't went down the shroud now as that story goes on Which I haven't gotten to yet, but like all science and even the one we're going to talk about where it says in there A lot of times you discover stuff by mistake once we started to really just search for this type of material And then we would look at other material that's readily easily able to get on military assets You kind of find that science in between is where you no longer need that you kind of figure out the sort of way to add enough levels To where if it's there You can grab it just shape wise that it's physically there versus being able to be jammed or spoof

53:16But that's this is kind of back in the ghostbuster cars sort of raid our system that we built versus where we are today Don't mind From that first night You all go home Everybody goes to sleep What's the time period of you know approximately Um, you know you said you sort of listen to the news the next day To see if there was anything checking out the the newspapers the Interweb all that and you're seeing nothing What's the point at which Somebody begins taking what actions whether it was Does somebody you know begin with well? Let's see you know, let's check flight data. Let's check radar data At what point does it become? Something that leads to you saying Now I want to reverse engineer this piece of material

54:16Yeah Yeah, so I didn't sleep. I don't think anybody really slept tell you the truth, but I was ready to go the next morning and I kind of did that fishing expedition Where you don't want to just yell that you saw something but I contacted there's like one big media station news morning show here And uh, you know, do anybody see anything Um, they took it a couple steps further and contacted the Air Force base and the FAA and came back with all nothing Not that they would have told them right but It kind of started to narrow down to like oh shit no one else Saw this there's there's gonna be no other Calls that we can work off. It's just us. So then it became everybody was super nervous and it was like Well, I'm the leader on the owner. I'll be the point man So now I've got to figure out from there and those guys had already checked all the different you know data flight paths. I mean It was just nothing so it's us in this story, but we've got physical material with that may not actually be a good thing when you start going around

55:22To the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, you know Right, but it's still again. It's still a period out before you call into Department of Defense You guys are making the decision to well, let let's examine what this thing is So we in the hopes that you found on who to you know, I had you I could defense versus contact the you know the local model, you know amateur rocket building model club Well, no, it was the other way around right I mean keep mine We didn't contact them because we've visually seen this thing bloop in its guns. We're pretty sure Uh the the local professor didn't build it, but I called the FBI the next day again You can't just put it out and yell the story of I'm from Kansas at 3 a.m last night. I saw you a foe right. I mean, it's not a good start to to be taken seriously So the same way I'm trying to position myself And it kind of got to the point where they just hung up on me

56:22What year you think Mike? Well, you know, early 2000s again, we try and keep the exact date. Yeah. Yes. Everybody knows it's a little bit troubled So but the stigma why? If you see a UFO in over 2000s, you're still crazy You know, I mean, so it's just not good. So yeah Try the FBI other things other offices and it kind of got the point where they just like you know what we're glad you're all right sir But call like you know move on sort of, you know, we can't help you so We try the department offense. There's not just a number for like a civilian to just call The Pentagon, you know, so you're you're calling like 800 numbers and they're trying to transfer you and it was the same thing So we just kept getting told basically Let me ask Mike when you when you made the initial phone call did you tell him you have a panel from it No, because it never got to that point. It was I was trying to structure it is listening You know, here's our credentials like we're serious people, right?

57:23You know, let them know we're coming home from a work trip. We weren't drinking so I'm trying to step this into We came across at this location an aircraft. It was You know doing some things that aren't normal and I try to kind of joke about it like you know Hey, like we're not UFO people get and they just weren't having it They just it never got to the point where I could say that so I only had one choice to blood out and I got a piece from it or just Be like okay, let me try something different the next time the third time And it just got the point where we're glad you're right sir, you know call call the alien people that The handle this but definitely no interest It's a disappointing part of the story because you were talking to some sort of intake worker That was dismissing your story rather than then taking it credibly Well, what if you said what if to get them to take a seriously said I have a piece of it Wouldn't they've taken a more seriously if you had to set that I don't know because you know when you call FBI again

58:26It's not like someone picks up phone says hello. It's like agent so and so what's your name? This this Okay, what's the look and it's like you don't only have that point unless you try and structure the Unless you just got you got a piece, you know, it's just it's not set up for that All right, so so you call the FBI you're calling these places. You're not really getting anywhere and you just decide you know what Let's look into that. Let's look into the study. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's where that begins the process And like Jean said this is probably a few months after right things have laid low You've made phone calls no one's reporting on it. No one knows anything except You guys and you have a piece yet. So now you begin to study The panel and figure out what it's made of which then leads you to The material that's made of did before you find out about the material that it's made of And we'll get into all that what are you having other encounters with this thing? When does that

59:30Like is this years later like is this That's the only time we've ever happened upon it. So I've never had one show up again. I've never Called one in it's always been running gun chase him down from here on after the first Okay, so that's it's I've never so the first one first encounter is the best one you've had No definitely not because when you're ready and you're laying in wait with technology and equipment More advanced what you're doing those are definitely better But the first ones the only one that I would say I guess if you wanted to say it was luck Or curse or whatever that's where we still think we've ever just happened upon Got it got it but just by luck You're saying yeah, just is what it is yeah sure sure okay, so so the other interactions you have with the craft later on You're seeing it You know same thing like you're you're able to visualize you seeing the lights you see the cockpit again

1:00:30You're seeing it's being bang zoom off Sort of all the same things. Do you think you're seeing upgraded versions of this craft over the years or you think you're seeing the same yeah I mean Again, I want people to kind of understand how Briefings go in the skiff and I want to understand how investigations go especially for years years so You know that material which we'll get into later The analysis of it. It's on record there because the SCI was trying to pin it on the pinnacle on and the arrow was trying to say it's not ours So they were like well if we know what's in it we can go back and look at all of our classified stealth coatings and stuff We got over at the DOE and we can see if anything matches up for paper trail You know we have aerospace people on our team so the aerospace people they made us write up how many people would it take to run this program What's the financial okay? It's in the billion so we know that a Defense contractors not doing it themselves. There has to be a customer So now we know there's a couple billion we can track down from whether it's the Pentagon or the CA This is how our true investigation really

1:01:33Works. It's not just stories on like oh, I saw They're not interested in that more than one time in the skiff. Let's put it that way you bring some shit in That can be verified in fact They have the ability to send someone out that calls the Pentagon or the NGA and verifies what you're saying it comes back in and nods Yes, I mean So we're in the thick of it. So that kind of matches up to what your question is which is in the sense of Everything here now is run just like you would run it Just like if they you know we hear about these recovery teams and I think Burleson said doesn't know if it's necessarily You know off-world tech, but we run the same sort of System of analyzing what you find figuring out why it was there and then you get to the thing where you have an algorithm Then you figure out lightning strikes twice Okay, does that means you have a path So now when you get to a path and now you know what you're looking for in the sky with the material And you start building the system from there So that's kind of where we get from there to where we are now, which is things are much more complicated

1:02:37um What's in the sky now no longer has to follow just a couple of dattlings as any system builds out in the military right We know that there's three generations of this Just like any military you're gonna try and build it then you're gonna make a little bit fancier than you're gonna weaponize it I mean this is just the normal way this stuff works and Dattling wise there's three generations of this crap three generations of it correct This we're dattling wise which goes into why it had to be outside of the so-called you know training ranges So I'm gonna pit Sky right you look at how much is in the sky satellite wise in the early 2000s than now it is insane You don't really have to do it the old way anymore So now it's much more complicated, but our system is much more advanced Which is where we're still at today where it's like You know you shouldn't be seeing the encounters like you did in the early 2000s outside the training is for people Compared to now it should be just not zeroed out

1:03:39Incredibly less because you don't have to do that anymore Mike can I ask you a question and going back to the panel for a second So now after your first encounter you have the panel you're doing the analysis yourself on the panel once you're analyzing the panel did you find anything That was Normal like screws was it screwed together was it You know was it a phillips screw was it you know How was this put together was there any English on it any stamps number stamps like was there anything that said This is definitely human or definitely American because we see English on it. We see numbers on it We see serial numbers. It's got to if this parts Typically there would be some kind of stamped somewhere on those parts Yeah, good good question, you know, so as far as a craft nothing on it no no marker lights either right no numbers no flags Parts same thing nothing identifiable like you say

1:04:40Should be not even a screw not how is it put together there is an attachment system that attachment system Is not exact, but it's very familiar to a system that is used in us tech arrow has that it has an exact name For right now, you know, I walk this line of let's get information, but not anybody Um in danger harms way here I don't think that's not good security purses the people service people so Wouldn't that be for security? Yeah, so it's not There's nothing identifiable on it Right you wouldn't want to have anything identifiable if it is caught by foreign adversaries There's nothing on it for them to identify I think that's a good thing I haven't gone down to me those tracks, but I mean it makes sense right? I mean, I just kind of look at it is At the end of all this what it became is When you look at things like data links stuff, especially in these early years it starts to tell story about who's it is And when you get into the skiff with Senator rounds, right?

1:05:41And he's fighting it out trying to get information even if you look at all of his last interviews Matlaslo and all of me gets asked Sutton to the fact of do you think you've been briefed on all the different classified programs and sitarounds always says no No, I don't think I have so they're chasing it Errol and SSI do not work together unless it's screwing me over and then apparently they they buddy that but They're fighting it out. You know, they're trying to pin it on the pinnacle on this sort of thing. So You know as this moves forward Senator rounds basically says they can deny this they can deny this I won't say exactly what it is, but he says they can't deny a data link So Senator rounds once the data link And the data link would say it's US technology It's US technology. Yeah, which okay, and I say yeah, why how do I know it's not you know alien or this or that Because you get into things like the data links now could you come up with a concocted story like in this community Probably so that the aliens are somehow figured out to use US data links or whatnot

1:06:43But I'm just telling you from my mind that doesn't That doesn't cohere to Being able to what we're going to get into with even when you get into the materials There's still earthly materials, you know, it just it really points to really just one Ownership and it's not off world to me Well, so I mean So so many questions might um Okay, but I want to make sure we stand track for people, you know, watching this story of full that I don't want to see it off track here But I do have to interject real quick with is this a good point. I mean I cover UFOs So that's what better does and you're in that community if this has nothing to do with aliens like what's the wire? Why bring this story to this community? Well, you know, it really came down to the whole Tim Phillips thing So Tim Phillips was originally traveling the world Speaking at places, you know when these grand elaborate ballrooms on Technology, but when he came out to smear me he did it on the Midwest podcast

1:07:47And then he would jump over to things like the total disclosure podcast with tie For whatever reason he went up the UFO circuit And so when I had to go back and correct the story I had to also start at the UFO Podcast circuit. So that's kind of how my position came into here And then the questions from the UFO community which are good questions, which is okay It's US, but where do they get it from? Well then I'm talking to Jean right? I mean it just kind of one of things where one thing leads to another to another Sure, all right that's actually a very I hadn't thought about that Because I'd wonder that myself, but that's only makes sense The the rumors about you start in the UFO community So you got to come to the UFO community to address them and then from there blah blah just like you said Okay, so you do think there's a possibility However small it may be that this technology Could be reverse engineered from Something not human I definitely think it's there, but I just in all honesty I think it's it's just not of interest

1:08:51It was at one point in time, but it's like I got so much going on with what I can that you know track down document The idea that what you would have to go through to get to that point which is kind of where I started to talk to Jean Like I don't think the government's telling me buddy. I don't think it's worthwhile The UAP disclosure act so I'm just kind of like if you guys get there good for you But it doesn't trust my mind That's when I'm right across the mind of everyone else myself included Sure people like Jean while Jean is interested right Right that well that's where there's unlikely you know marriage comes together because Now I want to see Mike's data and I want to dive deep into his data and his science and his materials Because I have this you know 40-year-old collection out of the Soviet Union about UFO science and materials and you know and and and what fits um And so you know even from from the the comparatively little I little of the details that I do know

1:10:00from from Mike's experience You know and more of that's coming out um You know there's there there are some overlap in Materials and and things like that you know from the descriptions that he gives and um and you know from what I have seen It's like all right, you know It fits in what was part of my quest which is the the origin side of it So you know I say a lot I imagine what we see in the sky now vast majority does belong to somebody You know of terrestrial or you know a nation state But won't give him the idea where did it come from how did it advance? Well, you know where do we come from so you know figuring that out has been um You know part of my interest in this and then the whole Intelligence side and the whole you know and just the advocacy the truth the secrecy the You know all the the bullshit behind disclosure um

1:11:01You know Mike's story somewhat Represents that and and and so that's why I said well where where I can help out you know on the intel side Where I can help out as far as uh, you know as as I've talked about with you yesterday, right The idea if there's gaps over American airspace we need to get him addressed If the politics of all of this are all you know convoluted and and interwoven and um You know even even getting blurred between uap and uas and drones and and all the rest of Then let's figure that out, but let's bring you know, let's let's take care of the issue at least the core issue between both subjects is There's something in the sky. We don't know who it belongs to and we don't know where it came from Right, that's the fundamental uap or adversarial if we don't know we don't know And so that's where I see the intersect Uh on the on the the uap UFO side of the house

1:12:05And it's like if we can get my stuff settled And we can definitely know what is terrestrial Even if it is super advanced technology There's one more layer. We don't have to filter through for the rest totally agree I didn't just pick the gene out as for his mainly good looks only it was his books out there the materials out there You know when I look through what I have and what he has And some of the things that have been posted um, you know, we won't go on that rabbit hole yet But the skins part of the control mechanism Is when I actually reached out to gene so I don't I can't say this is where we got to today But I can say that if you had during those time frame a reverse engineering program That's what I would expect it to look like And then mean gene have been talking since then so yeah, no more than just a gun. Yeah Well, I was going to also say another intersection that I thought I'm watching was was beautifully laying that out was um

1:13:06This craft has probably been misidentified as alien craft or UFO many times so to put that to ret that maybe this is what you saw right like that help Hey, I can thank you maybe yeah, I think it is not tell you why because although not glowing with white lights Underneath of it on the corners. We're sure shit Circles, but you normally here's what they had circle lights on The corners they weren't they weren't on or glowing or however you want to put it when we were there, but That does make I mean you've heard those stories go back all the way to the 80s too though Even in Europe. Oh, I have heard that stories go back to the 80s. I just haven't seen a whole lot of uh Things that I would want to go off of or I would bring it to a skiff from from that time prune Could I ask Mike we had mentioned that you would bring it to the skiff did did you bring the panel to the skiff and

1:14:08If you didn't did they ask for it and What where does the government stand on what you've told them about the panel itself? So You know keep in mind we're talking about from 2023 all the way to 2025 there was some also some offsite meetings such a haven't really went into yet For transfer of you know material verification of stuff So there's a long process here, but when we started out the first thing that went in Was this rock as we're calling it because that went in with the report of you know again People have got to understand they don't just want to hear you go in and tell a story about UFOs or aliens It's an investigation and part of that is what is this made of How much of it do we have here in the US? How much of it just trying to have it they can dig up if they find out? I mean this is the sort of way that these investigations work so Of course they wanted to have peets you know pieces and parts of this crack

1:15:08And of course they said everything. I know, but you know we all Pretty pretty well can tell that's that's a pretty hell of a gamble to just hand over everything. So They have not all but they do have parts of the material didn't go in at the first part It was when they were dangling on the carrot for the deal And when we actually got this back as the story talks about We did not get back anything other than This rock which keep a mind This rock is not US property. I have a mind for this. I can go get more right But no, we did not get back as Tim Phillips said and he said it was US technology. They don't just hand that right back To you nor do they miss to you less technology. So you only get back What is basically by deferment would make any sense to keep it probably anyway. So Okay, so yeah, they have them Have the analysis of it. It's all in the skiff

1:16:08Did they get you any information on the panel? Like did you gain any information from them as you were giving working with it was an interesting thing You know, we would go in there. We'd sit in that skiff, you know, just so people understand this You know, we never asked to go in We call because we ended up getting in a whole lot of hot water with all the investigative military branches when we try to direct sell them Providing them GPS coordinates and date times of stuff that we shouldn't have known it was there You know, it even went into cyber command. I think they thought that we like hacked them or something like how is can these guys know Know this information. So The guy at the point legally were his vies where we called their boss and their bosses are the armed services committee and SSC Right since let me on intelligence arm services never call back But this is kind of all these decades later when arrows starting to form In SSI was really long and interesting one thing and that was the uap Information so we got a call right back They requested us to come in like I never fill out a forum and said please can I come in and tell you about my you know UFO

1:17:15Encounter so that's where this all started And when we were going there they would tell us you're the only people to have ever been in the skiff in the history of the skiff without a security clearance Or part of a military branch even the fucking jender has to have a security clearance and he has to be escorted in and you have to stay there with them Why you mobs and you know But we had the answers in the goods you have to go where you have to go and even break and laws and getting us in there To do that so you know the same way we're in this weird predicament where you could say but then tell everybody That trust me there's a lot of heat and we're still not trying to screw over our own government But yeah, that's kind of set up for the skiff so they have everything they need to have and I think people should look at why they're looking now Where do you see s sc i app? They've just left they have been for quite some time They have the answers they need to have and they've made decisions they need to have when we would go in there They would pull out my folder clearly marked s sc s

1:18:19sc i on all the information all the photos they have And we would go through it because again we provided it to them. So it's not like they're showing me that It's our stuff anyway We did learn a lot of information but not information where they would go and match up stealth coatings or things from the department of energy That that's not stuff they would tell us what would go on is when we would say Go back and look at the nimens encounter And based on what we know now here's what should have been there like we're pretty sure what's under the water stuff That's in the sky that's not public knowledge or information that you can get And they would come in and they would verify that and they would say yep it was right overhead That's more of the information we got as we went through this whole investigation with them versus them saying Oh, it does match our stealth coatings or stuff like that. So It was here there, but nothing like National secrets was necessarily revealed to us. No Um Let's go back to the rock real quick

1:19:21Okay, which is you said some things you mined it okay So that's in the article two right that people were confused about with You know what what happened um, okay, so real quick. I was gonna lay this out okay, so you took a rock you threw it at the craft That's one rock in the story that people talk about okay Um a piece fell off with it um then they in this article they show a rock Right a picture of a rock and you've already explained you have nothing to do with that picture of that sort of years But you're familiar. What's in that rock that rock and the same rock you just showed us Are rocks that you mined okay, that's nothing to do with the rock that you threw at this craft You mined this from the ground Um, where the this raw material comes from that builds these panels or at least part of the material that's used to build these Panels is that correct so they these rocks are just the raw material Yeah

1:20:21Correct so the rock that hit the craft forget about has nothing to do with this story correct just forget about that you see That's the rock is the one that's the skiff and as you read it that's chaining custody it's back in my hands Yeah, that's the same rock from the picture The same one as we also said right we mine So Not the same rock with the same Type cherry everybody that said it's while we're rocking its light I don't know if you can do that. I don't want to drop the fuck a thing in my lap But it ain't light one the first things we need to pick it up you say is like oh my god that thing is Okay, so So it's basically like yeah mashed potatoes and you just showed us a raw potato Right that the mashed potatoes with a craft you just showed us potato okay, and that's you You have access to this mine Where this raw material come you own the mine where the raw material comes from is that the only my

1:21:22In the United States No, so you know, we had to do some search them, but once you know what's in it and you're trying to find that mine like Kim Philps Also said and then they figured out how to reverse engineer it and create their own poor system You've got to have the raw material, but this is not Element 115. This is not you know one of the things everybody was like is oh that doesn't look impressive There's nobody the story's true What the fuck you think it was gonna look like like glowing and then you put on our microscope and alien biologics are crawling all around and shit like You know the stupidity the fucking community not being my words not you guys. I'll take the fucking heat for it But yeah, of course, this is how everything including the iPhone in your pocket starts out it starts at his raw material So with that said and being it is on the periodic table elements and also the stock market Right then this is not the only mine here or anywhere in the world there's it's just It's a raw material element. Yeah

1:22:23What what are we allowed to know what the material is have you said that? I don't know am I lost on that That's one we're all keep and I Was asked to keep that and it's not that if you ask me I'll do something but there's legit reasons why I mean think of the Chinese her outbuildness and submarine something like 10 to 1 right like we don't want to get in the rat race of now they know What exactly what they need to do they just need to start fucking around to find an out about it about how to get this technology Neat up in that so what I will say those that all those people up in DC that Are still out to insider trade Why if you of them know what it is in it and it's gonna be the thing you'd want to invest in if you were gonna put in Sutton short-term and then go long-term you know what I mean and if you there's a lot of more angles to this and just national security I'm Patrick and you've been cracking one of the things I've been I've been working on You know, I use the the bill of materials the raw materials Described in my father-in-law's work and I began I've been tracking

1:23:24um The the history of the purchase of those materials both as a as a general commodity on the market and then looking at the purchasing patterns of them from the US government the defense logistics agency and identifying the patterns and trends Where the US government has been purchasing certain combinations of certain materials Well in excess and and stockpiling um That's beyond any justifiable or known Program They've been doing it China Russia have similarly been doing it China over the last 15 years has been monopolizing some of the the more critical rare earth materials that are described in these bill So there's a huge story when whenever you know you hear any of these guys talking about you know the cold war on reverse

1:24:30engineering Between a lot of that cold war on reverse engineering is about minerals control Which again with something I was working on independent, you know of of getting involved with Mike But when we had those discussions and it's like oh You know I am on the right track here because it isn't these minerals and materials are those raw materials from your estimate uh mic Are those raw materials that went into creating the Skin that you mentioned has to do with the control correct or are those raw materials in the panel Are we separating the panel from the skin? What we're what were you specifically working on the reverse engineering part of it just to figure out what the materials were Or were you trying to reprise that panel and the tech in it? Were there wires in it? What like how How you give us a little bit about how you would win about trying to reverse engineer it and where the materials fit into that panel that you had the evidence of

1:25:40So So the panel is what I'm going to refer to as part of the skin the power source Is essentially working with the panels the skin for both the power but also The directional change in the control. So overall it is one System now. I know that's a bit of a riddle But when the article mentions things like magnetism eventually we're going to use electro-gravity But I was like I don't like that because it goes back to like the Phil Delphi experiment and Things that were teletransported and none of that's going on here So we just went with magnetism, but if that makes sense then so you know, you'd have to have everything working together But with that said something I just said um Couple days gone astral some more new information If you think of a dice like when your old dice and you guys are in Vegas, you probably had some last nine your hand

1:26:42Think about that sort of thickness, but continued in a line from the nose all the way to the back of this craft those lines ran So What we've determined to figure it out now is this sort of you know, it's been called what a plasma bubble force fills with That's essentially how this sort of system relays out And if you don't have that relayed out then you don't have blueprints gone or anything else so When you hear all these stories even though I don't think some are this technology You'll hear about it was at 80,000 feet came down to sea level not landed just you know hovering you'll hear For 20 hours a day it was going up to 80,000 feet coming down to 50 feet As send around to wanted to know what's this thing to kill these hill again think about a real investigation how it really works in the SSI Skip they don't give a fuck about alien stories. I know that's harsh, but

1:27:42What do we do if this thing goes rogue? What do we do if someone fucking captures this thing like they just did the underwater one and I ran and now they have Right, what's what's the kill shot here? It does have an Achilles hill And the kill is hill is when it has to come down low it has to do that and when it's doing that Not completely But you know and sometimes more than others, but it's that's where it's um Kind of the sit and duck sort of And tally and if you think about things you and like pick that through it down low and they can see the actual crap right not Loop when it's gone. So when it's in that state it's basically Stuck and so that's kind of how we work through it To now gathering information and analyzing it We've got quite a few readings. We won't go into those days We're gonna do it What's the point of this crap like what's it do? Why does it need to come down and be vulnerable? That's just the fight characteristics

1:28:44But think about if think about if you will You use up the ability even what is using a hypothetical here right no matter what stuff can only get so hot right stuff can only get so charged And then you'd have to discharge or you would have to cool off so you can fly however you want you can go up and down Side of where you want but eventually you got to come down Outside of this plasma bottle bubble if you want to call that outside of this force filled if you want to call that And you got to cool the fuck off and you got a discharge As long as you can do that you can bloop and you're gone and you can go back up and place some more So so This this plasma bubble but whatever that that Gives that craft an advantage to move rapidly and steer in a new way For the first time ever Yamaha resort and casino at San Manuel is giving away a new Rolex watch for every club Serrano card dear

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1:30:48In my father-in-law's work taking this back 40 years He describes the hull of the craft that he's reverse engineering as being the power source The hull itself is part of the power source Let's get back to the rock. Okay, we have the rock um You you've you've got the mind you know the raw material that this panel is made of um and You've basically approached the government uh, because you developed a detection system For this and you've basically tried to You know Get them to purchase it. I don't know. Maybe get a contract. They work with you essentially with this and that hasn't happened and now Your little fed up, but I don't know if that's the right word to use But whatever you want to describe it and that's why you're going to have this event in October is because you're just you know

1:31:51You know what we're going to put out the information that I have told behind the scenes in skiffs For so long and you want to show some of the evidence that you have some of the materials you have Potentially some of the videos of this craft that you may or may not have um I don't know just trying to bring us back to the story I'm talking about Transparency and just being upset with the government and this isn't really the government of like who we've elected president things This is just deep within the government or how they work no matter who's Who's there? So one of the things that I found through all these things that have happened to me which by the way are all documented All the death threats all the financial offers those immediately went over to the drop box folder I had at the dod the pinnig on went to SSCI right If someone's parked outside my house. I have a number to a three-letter agency. I can call you know I've got to that point now but at no point time to any of those Diverse re-countries or even some of the friendly ones that are being a bit shady after this as

1:32:57Offworld technology. I know people are gonna say but japan has a UFO Program and a chat. I'm just telling you every adversary country believes that what you saw at the Nimitzon counter Which by the way sprayers even backed up trying in other countries had spice outlets watching it But it was going on so they've seen what happened with the tic-tac. It's not just us They all believe it's us tech So I'm not revealing any secrets when I say what I'm saying the only people that really seem to be in the dark about this is the fucking American public And we seem to be obsessed with the UFO part. I've talked to enough solid people where I believe there is something There is something now. I haven't ever talked to anyone that's talked about you know the actual four species of aliens or their dads you know Nordic and CIA's hunting them through 23 me and then shit like that But craft people have seemed to have seen Craft I'll give that leeway And it kind goes into what we're trying to offer is not just drones adversary drones that were the only ones that can pick it up

1:34:01We've proved that we've already been out with these people If there's uap nh i right tubers one stone will pick it all up and we'll bring back the results Part of us going to the military was we'll help you correct your problems that are making this trackable Without anybody knowing Keep in mind. I was in the shadows till Tim Phillips came up which there's a story about why he did that I just wanted to make a deal you guys correct the problems world keeps going That was it and they came after me and so the presentation is to get everybody caught up on To that line What really happened in the skiff how professional investigations really go right everybody just thinks there was nothing other than alien stories In the skiff and that's not You don't spend two and a half years doing that with sitting senator So we're essentially going to give everybody as we get in today with the rock and information they'll have for that The breakdown analysis and then from there you can kind of build the plan, but we're also going to cover

1:35:02The big one which is all the cover-ups all the bullshit now. I mentioned some of the FAA stuff So we're not going to put any men and women in uniform in danger We're also not going to legally give the FAA a reason to be there um There's there's certain lines we have to walk but you will be asked caught up as you can be as we start today with Information direct from the papers from my ssci skiff briefings on this material Get you guys the actual knowledge of what the folks going on in the world today I think it'll change everyone's view on just it's only off-world tech Well, what So this event are you promoting this so that anybody goes you just want a bunch of people to show up to this thing or Are you going to then proceed online later? First and foremost, you know, this kind of kicked off in Colorado in Nebraska right the so-called mystery drones Those people still don't have information Those people have been told it was all mass hysteria

1:36:04um And then they've You know purposely try to take me out of the system from telling me but anything well I'm back And I've got a whole lot of receipts going to be kind of hard to talk me out a guy That's been the executive branch brief in them that you shouldn't listen to me And we're going to explain what was in the air the same way as we told ssci what was about rate happened at Langley You can keep in mind that's not a story Roger Wicker the chairman of center arm services committee went on 60 minutes and said There's drones there. We can't track them. We can't bring them down. This is all is tied together all these drone encounters Who's doing it? We're going to identify that. What's the point of them doing it? We're gonna tie everything together, but it starts there those people deserve answers naturally like anything like this We've got a lot of just industry folks um That want to jump in I mean keep in mind. Why are we the only business? Why are we the only people in the history of that skill for that clearance to be in there? So there's a whole lot of people that also want to hear this all the other members

1:37:05elected members that are you know like from New Jersey They didn't have any access to the information that I was briefing They don't have any answers neither does anybody else right and then you get into the public you get into the industry You even get into some of the military And we've had a couple Sign up already right so this is kind of our briefing to bring everybody up to date on what's not a secret to keep us safe But is the secret that is so damaging that with the trillion dollars a year our skies are uncontrolled And we don't have the technology to track them or bring him down And those fucking drones are already here and have been for over a decade So at any point time they wanted to disable our bases For our aircraft There would never be a war in Taiwan it would come right home to us and as we provided an information and we lose the war games Let's go ahead and show some of this. Let's go ahead and bear some of these people who don't want it out before the midterms or elections Now that's really what it is is they don't want you know how fucked we are

1:38:06And we have to know that in order to fix it. So that's the heat that we're getting As we go ahead. Hey your guy that's on SSCI or armed services spending all this money with the lobbyists We don't have a fucking radar system. You know, I mean, that's kind of what they don't want The public to know so that doesn't involve national security damage that involves helping it if we get the problem fixed So so again is this thing open to the public as well man like can people go you want Yes, however this thing You have to be registered. Okay, if you're a local we're gonna let you in if you are General public that will probably be some seats here there, but it's not going to be a UFO You know conference where you look around the room with these briefings and I can tell you it's all it's all the most famous Podcasts are in the front row right second row is you know third row is that's not the sort of a Thing it is does the public want to know of course because the public should know media That's gonna be a big one because that's what gets back to the rest of the world

1:39:08So media wise we're trying to let as many quality media as we can come in Yeah, I want to so come so bin sketch anywhere, but I would guess bins there right you know that sort of thing So yeah, if right now there's some seats because we haven't really announced it in that way because it's gonna fill up Um just we could fill it up with just between who Jean and I know in the industry and that's not the Right we want to have quality people that generally want to know What's happening? But if you're listening to this right now you go the website uncontrolled skies.com Send in your information and then there is some sorting through that we've got to go through right so We'll kind of look at some public in is the presentation gonna be online afterwards or no As of right now we got half the feds want to be in the front row right and the other half Want to shut us down because we know they know we're gonna throw them under the bus. So Because of that and because of the word rules like with the FAA most people again like the invention secrecy act

1:40:09This just isn't water cooler stuff They have the ability to not allow you to call a lawyer before talking to them You cannot plead the fifth with them You have to immediately you know like when they contact me, which is in the foyer immediately answer these questions without any hesitation You know That's the sort of way you deal with these people. So the best way to deal with these people is don't give them Any information beforehand or afterwards. We're just gonna get the fucking truth out and Let it let it go from there start the snowball down the mountain Mike does does having this material and doing this event I know you're trying to illuminate that there's a problem that when you dissolve in our skies From what you've discovered with the rock and the raw materials Do you feel like your knowledge has gotten us closer to that detection and protecting us and they're avoiding that or Or not listening to that part of it like what

1:41:12What your knowledge from the raw materials that you found in your reverse engineering? Where does it has that got new has that got not you closer to saying hey, I know how The path we need to go down because of this information Yeah, I would say it's definitely an integral part of the path and then the technology You could see even away from the path, but it had to start at The material before you start developing other systems where now it's not just uap's It's the drones that they couldn't put up and Langley that that we could you know, so It goes down that path You know just real quick here and you slice how you want Patrick But let me just kind of set the stage and then again, we all swear to God we'll get into the rock, but You know, I spent two and a half years going to SSCI with my team right Briefing them getting sent out on assignments like at the data link And then that fell apart and we could kind of tell something wasn't kosher Um, you could just kind of tell stuff was not the deal wasn't happening right

1:42:17We had a briefing with them their own government employee the triggers weren't getting pooled and whatnot So when you're in this industry like this is you have to be careful what you do and what you show Um, in this article that we're going to get into Tim Phillips references of photo. I never gave arrow photo SSCI gave arrow photo Because SSCI and I've got the documentation from it felt like arrow was gatekeeping it and was preventing the information from getting it out So I don't even know what photo it is every time Tim changes the story of for while I thought I did But there's certain things you showed a certain people which is just enough to cause a little bit of trouble versus massive Damage you don't know if the person you're talking to in the skiff is really just trying to charge you for the leak of an ex-genget Which is what Tim Phillips said he was sent by the chairman of the committee to been about a test range over You got to be careful right Also if you go over and show some I'm like I did when I started to go on over into the house You don't know if they're just going to take off across the street to a podcast

1:43:20And start telling everybody and sure shit that happened So what if you would have gave them like really serious, you know Classified just I mean it could have been bad it could end up on the internet right. I mean who knows so The clip from that podcast that was from from the house member that when it spilled the beans Actually would end up on another podcast we know which is Joe Rogan Rogan had another guy on to analyze it not knowing who I was or my name and what they determined was it was just another UFO guy with a big story and it ended up with Rogan referring to me as a bitch Show me bitch, right? They didn't know that also there was a clip floating around there from the same gentleman that says when he showed that what I provided to people in the know Black programs. They said it was jaw dropping. So the Tim Phillips thing when it happened the question to Tim Phillips That's in none of the clips is what was it like working with the uap caucus Tim Phillips's answer is to start talking about me

1:44:22Everybody to SSCI when that came out the people that had my back felt like it was because and Tim Phillips's own story He told the Senate people don't let me have an audience. So he squashed that Now he sees on Rogan. I mean they know who's told what story based on what information coming in they know that that's old whistle in my Mike Spicer that's told that story to house member So now he's got to crush that so that's the reason he brought up me to the question of like what was it like working with the uap caucus and then He goes through that and says I'm extorting the government You know, I'm not safe to have around one's family But if it wouldn't have been for that if this shit would have stayed in the shadows not only would I not have been out here today But Tim Phillips wouldn't have come after me and that goes back to the fAA thing which is that you know They only really come after you when you start talking to the media and unfortunately Rogan Bringing light to it means you're obviously fucking talking so

1:45:23With that said and I'll just leave it at this You know what what Rogan did there and I know the relationships here that you guys have a problem. So this is my words nobody else's but I get it but I didn't feel like it was the manly you know from a guy on a carnivore diet the bow hunts not letting another guy have his right to you know defend himself But he achieved something that's gonna be talked about in the history books when they go through like they don't talk about the wars like they used to when we grew up Now it's stuff like how social media I understand as of right now copilot and I'm sure the other aIs will get it But if you ask what is the only time in the history of America That a scs which was Tim Phillips's rank keep mind he was still being paid when he said this Has accused an American civilian of extortion in the history of the United States The only fucking time is when Tim Phillips Accused me and that's all basically goes back to the Joe Rogan podcast to the house member that told the secret so

1:46:25And that will all be in the history books, but it was brutal So I want to clear that part up with the photo because eros gonna come for me Right, I don't know what I don't know what they're gonna throw out me this week or next or a week before the event But these are all things I want to clear up now. It's what I said at the beginning. I want to tie things together I want to separate things that aren't People should fall along with this so that they can fall along with the story correctly I'm not in the wrong position Let that go. You have the accusation. Yeah, that accusation goes specifically back to You owning the mine and the materials Like it goes back extortion So the extortion to be very clear on this the person handling the deal Between me and my group and the government SSCI right these members that are on there Work for the government How can I extort the government if the person working the deal

1:47:27Works for you. So this is a bullshit Story which is also why the FBI never came and saw me about it. I mean imagine going to the boss of the Senate select committee on intelligence and saying I'm going to sell this to a foreign country If you don't give me money the people who are the boss of the FBI right probably not a wise idea It's almost so far fetched nobody other than the people in the UFO community probably would have Bit on that but there is no extortion The gentleman that was helping us handles things like this things that get caught up in things like the invention secrecy act So for the actual men and women on the front lines Who are losing limbs losing lives coming back with you know everything intact but mentally They got a lot of damage from what they have to see Our suffering because us and politicians are arguing about the fucking invention secrecy act the price He's a guy that comes in helps get this shit knocked out right we agreed to a price we agreed to the terms that protects us All we need the signature they weren't willing to do it. So again the extortion thing is complete bullshit

1:48:34That was that was you know Tim Tim Phillips can categorized or characterized Mike's desire to Have a government contract and provide a service as extortion Yeah, he thought Mike would just give it over walk away and see later exactly we were told to we were told to we were told take your photos Take your information throw it away That's what we were told I mean that's but they don't want it or if you patent it Yeah, if you patent it and I've got the receipts they're gonna be showing it Colorado from Senator rounds They're gonna take it through the invention secrecy act which means you can't sell it which means you're still locked into a box where you have to do it their fucking way Or it's not gonna happen and you know one thing I'll just say is that Tim Got terminated the people that are willing to help us fund will still brief any member on the hill So he's terminated. We're still going. We're just looking for the person. Actually wants to get this done

1:49:39Right Because that's the fact the things that might done allowed him to to retain this as something with a commercial option and And you know whether it was You know a sort of exclusive commercial deal into the US government for them to do whatever or you know critical infrastructure industry You know owner operators Um for early detection systems It's you know it's a viable commercial system and product That has a wide Application for anybody who's interested in early detection and warning of You know these these sorts of systems now you know and that's all it is now you never mind the problems that still exist after you have Lead detection and warning You know what you know what are you gonna do with it? Well, you you know it's there. You know it's coming. You know it's on the way. You know you pattern

1:50:42Then who's going to be responsible for doing what Is an entirely different argument and different Um set of protocols But you know as I think as far as you know Mike goes and in that comment about the you know Trying to extort Yeah, he built a product that has a commercial application That the US government should be very interested in and instead of You know Enabling that and putting it into the hands At the levels that it probably should be at Right they were trying to ruin them from having any other commercial options with it by calling them an extortionist Yeah, yeah, yeah, it didn't didn't do good if if just and I'll leave it at this Patrick Yeah, yeah, the claim of a certain United States government and not being safe to have around one's family Came from an SES who in Tim Phillips on word serves at the pleasure of the president Who's gonna make a deal with the guy who serves at the pleasure of the president that just said you tried to extort the government both private and government

1:51:50Think about what's gonna happen with my kids his friends the church members when they find out the guy that an SES That serves at the pleasure of president just said isn't safe to have around one's family It's the fucking volunteer leader at the school. So that was basically telling me you better not come out with your full name because if you do Your fucking ruin and that's the problem with him being able to get his platform and me not being able to get a bigger platform for them and to fucking Correct you. So that's I'm still fighting now with my name now All right, I totally get okay, well, we'll click um I'm gonna bring up this tweet here, right? Is this what we want to get into Mike? Is everybody talking about? Yeah, yeah us I actually did somebody search on it because I do have some Questions about it. I used AI and it pointed out some potential errors. So I want to kind of go over that with you but

1:52:52What what about this? Do you want people to truly take away from this because this is a lot To take it right for your average person. Yeah It's really simplified. So It's not about what the rock looks like you know, we kind of discussed that earlier the rock shouldn't look impressive Or what people have thought in their mind about It's got to be an alien crystal or something like this. Okay, it's also not about what is the rock right? I've seen everything from Those of titanium or to iron ore. It's a lava rock Still not not the point you know The point is with any material known material What can happen to it when it's actually in the lab these paragraphs are explaining to the senators To get into their mind That things change completely

1:53:53When you start to get them into the lab and so Possibilities are no longer where you say well, that's iron ore right will pick on the good the guy that said that All I can do is build iron beams Iron's not even really using more right you still another thing. So That's just all the setup is here is that stuff gets real crazy when you start handing it off to the you know The lab team members for the first time ever Yama va resort and casino It's San Manuel is giving away a new Rolex watch for every club Serrano card deer play with your club Serrano card and on September 20th you could be one of five winners of a Rolex watch Plus all winners will advance to the finale at Palm's casino resort Las Vegas for a chance to take home a rarity The second Mustang dark horse ever produced on September 26th two properties six winners Only at Yama va resort and casino your California to Vegas connection details at Yama va.com must be 21 or older to Enter participate. Please gamble responsibly Van Duel is now available everywhere in the US

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1:56:03Okay, so and then could be rock and and you can help us out here um It says here graphine is graph on graphene is peeled from graphite not graphene rock So Is that used the wrong way Yeah, so if you look at the very Top of this it simply just says you have to bring in the same people we brought in so so I said before I'm not always the smartest person In the room. I didn't want to just go off of our people. I wanted to pull in some You know actual credential people that that folks would Maybe know our respect more from there uh multiple You know write-ups reports News articles that came over in a bunch from there went through our people that put together the briefing To what you see here to what I read now all the original material that was sin over which was like a you know

1:57:03Giant zip file of stuff went with it. I'm sure all probably comes down to is as someone accidentally Spellcheck got spellchecked Or something like that the wrong point remains the same that What you're seeing here which reads like magic is still possible Got it. Okay um, and so Yeah, cuz I was looking at the difference between graphine graphene, you know kind of diving into it. It's the quite different and and um And it's very interesting um So just also some clear this is not This is not the explanation to what is in the particular rock that you're looking at Like I said, we're not gonna release that This isn't how the science of the craft works. This is setting the scene into senator's minds that raw material in a lab can do all these insane crazy Sort of things. This is who you need to bring in to solve this

1:58:05For you Not just you know Pinnigone folks. This is this is who I would hand it off to if I was you again. We talked about how a real investigation works Okay, and so Okay, a hunk of graphene rock mined out of the ground So you say that should just say graphite rock right Yeah, and so this is all other than the up probably what's gonna be some spell checks This is all literally word for words. So this isn't like my summary This is information that was pulled from the stuff Okay All right, well, I'll just say if somebody's reading that they're gonna if they know about that the boy with that doesn't make any sense No, it makes makes no sense. I'm glad you pointed that out You know, I didn't know that I just want to get people completely confused but again Such as the cockpit. I'm giving people the exact true story You're looking at exactly what went down. So if this gets foyer or something else

1:59:07The mistakes from the original right. I'm just this is a not the true story whether it look not for me. Yeah Yeah, yeah, no, that's better. Okay, so all right, so You know, I've read this out for the audience You saying this is this has nothing to do with the The material the Anything with you that you just lay in the groundwork for what is possible In a lab part is in the brief you not this part of the briefing. Yeah, yeah, so this is setting the stage for then what is the material And the science behind the material that part is not getting released to the public all right So what about what about this? um What more is there to come to this? It's just the idea again if we work through this it's not about what the rut looks like It's not about what the rock actually is if you get down to where it is on the periodic table of elements It's the fact that inside of a lab You can create things like a magnet That has a North Pole or not a South Pole

2:00:08You can do things by increasing you know the factor of a you know resistance by a hundred thousand Okay, this is not like where you just take a rock right and you say Here's what I can make out of that raw material Let me google and it says well out of this raw material you can make this this this than that You can actually take things and the particular element that's the secret sauce that we're not releasing Within a lab is actually really really bad at one particular thing that it needs to do But when it goes so this sort of physics it actually Is the complete opposite? Now it's better than raw material that you would normally use for that Sort of technology that you need so you can't think along normal terms of what we see What we can get so when you start reading through this and you start thinking about slowing down Really time and space as you read through this What we're talking about is here on earth?

2:01:09Technology not not alien offworld technology, so As we say magnetic right There's some little bits on there about magnetic right? I just went over that you know increasing things like the resistance How do you draw from 80,000 feet To sea level in a split second, you know, there's got to be some science. You've got to start point to right And that's kind of what this all in cutness is is when you start going through some of the events they wanted to know through like the limits Which is at the beginning of this right up So wait, so you think some of this physics that's described here can explain The Nimitz encounter or can help explain it? It is help explain not the whole vent not each you know, it's not that sort of that was its own Separate part of the investigation, but again, it's just If I was to ask you what is this technology because that was a big thing. They truly wanted to know especially with the Nimitz is it ours

2:02:09They didn't really believe it was going to be China anybody. It's either was it ours or it's offworld and for them It was like all we keep hearing from the physicist is that it can't be ours because it does it provides physics We would say Okay, well every day you've been alive the sun's in the sky the Sun Defies physics essentially we're trying to copy it, but we can't We'd point to a certain star and say everyone at arrow will agree that this certain star based on the brightness There's an actual you know part of that physics should have exploded But it didn't so it's defying physics You know, we would go through things that are defying physics that we agree when really what they're saying is not that it's defying Physics is that we know it's there We agree it's it's worldly it's not off-road technology. We just can't figure out how to do it Well, how it's like this time we just can't figure out how to do it. So this is just the explanation of Some of the stuff we have been able to figure out how to do and how this science is growing and how this would be who would be able to

2:03:11Figure out the formulas for this technology Okay I may be maybe even some Where analogy is that no I make things harder when I explain them. That's usually what I hear Yeah, most most people can't recognize a diamond in its raw form Right they'll come across and they have no idea what they're looking at but You know we have a popular idea of what a diamond looks like in our minds when I said diamond right the little engagement ring popped into everybody's mind Right, but there's industrial diamonds and diamond dust and and you know diamonds used in lasers and and there's all these other purposes that exist for diamonds as well so similarly this is the raw material

2:04:12From raw material any number of purposes of points and and in the same way, you know the The you know your diamond drill bit does not look like you know that oil and gas Drillers use does not look like the engagement ring you know your wife had totally Let me ask a few questions about the raw materials So I'm just getting it straight in my head So with this raw material that you guys aren't going to identify yet or or right now It goes these raw materials go into the creation of the correct what helps it Traverse the places but does it also go into how it creates enough energy to be able to traverse these places is it connected to the energy source to how it travels quickly and also is it the same raw material said it's made of so is it all three of those things

2:05:19Sure, so here's how I would explain it when you're seeing what percentage of what and you're starting with right so you know some of this is just from what we've gathered on testing results, but if the power source Has a bunch of it in it and the power source like magnetism and the most simplest form there is Is going to also being you know involved in the control and even though there's going to be a bunch in the power source that would then have to extend down through The skin as a control mechanism of up down right or left in that case it would be involved in essentially all the craft From the outside going into the power source. So it's a connected system and Is their power running through it or is it generating the power is it creating the power because usually we would think of Anything that is being able to to traverse

2:06:22You know space like this need zero point energy Are we talking about zero point energy I think you're getting Your walking lines, you know what I want to kind of say here is that You know we talked about the FAA a lot so for instance if I was to provide Hypothetically a picture of a craft taking from it's Achilles Hill With a drone that would actually be illegal because you can't fly drones By aircraft including black budget Aircraft or any aircraft even unknown aircraft so This is where you start to get into ish shoes um And problems however with that said hypothetically If you had a drone above this UAPs will just call it and blueping it's gone and you start to find out that it takes out the drones only Hypothetically the ones above it not the ones at the side or under it

2:07:24That would tell you that it actually did not probably go into a wormhole or Uh, teletransport it fits more along the lines of a bullet where I say how I'm gonna put this bullet in you see the bullet I shoot it you don't see the bullet but you hear it hit the target and then there's the bullet so it is more of just the speed Faster than the eye Which then goes into what is gonna be your definition of zero point energy if it involves anything to do with actually teletransporting or creating Time and space distortion That's not what's going on here so The zero point energy is just like free energy like they're pulling energy from the atmosphere So you know, yeah, let's talk about sort of it so the so the lights that I mentioned earlier right They're on basically what kind of looks like the fridges that we grew up as with kids think of that size not the the new ones in the you know the massive size Fridges just the small ones we had at kids, you know

2:08:25Behind each light we have determined those would be what will come referred to as the power sources And then you have the cockpit that's in the middle on this particular generation of one so It's making its own power Okay It still has to be built by humans, but if you think about things like a drone Most drones that go up and fly for 27 48 hours Can go between one source or another one source to get up in the air and then when they're actually doing this to another source right And that's kind of what you do your charging batteries Then you're using the battery It's the same sort of not the exact same sort of but it's the same sort of hybrid system where No, there's not a magical creation of just free energy forever into this. It's got parts that are gonna wear out You're gonna have to change them. It's got parts that you gotta come down right like we said you always gotta keep coming down So it's not the fabled yeah Sun here on earth crack your crack

2:09:25Have we talked about that what what is the point of this crap this whole time we're talking about this crap this crap this crap pieces of the crap the rough What is the everything starts out now days is ISR right so That's the way it is then you You're just essentially a television surveillance sort of stuff for constants where you're taking photos kind of like the SR7 Data collecting Essentially this thing is made to data You have the ability to sneak around with this then it goes into weaponization But it's not a weaponization like it's gonna show up with missiles what we think is if things went nuclear As we've kind of heard from you know fray or another people you could get this thing above any palace of any dictator or any other You know adversary president and you could drop a payload Eliminate them from blue you're gone be be gone before you could track them And if you can't track them that means you also can't shoot a mislattem

2:10:26And that is essentially your ace up to sleeve if things ever got that bad Which is why you don't just see it floating around the skies or at air shows It's the ace up to sleep How far can it bloop it's gone like it bloop it's gone is it only a Up and down sort of scenario or can it bloop it's gone from you know London all the way to fucking Just like I can go back to the cap point right uh no no not not that sort of that's again, it's It is it is an insane technology right we can't argue that it's almost like a rubber band like a pressure of a rubber band And you just let the rubber band go and it's just that it can just sort of go up. That's it. It's it's you know What I'm saying is is that let's go back to the framer story right there was something under the water The technology is not so that you would just have it fly from here which talk Kansas To China right

2:11:26It's it's not that great. There's too many problems. There's too many failures. Look at how we came along with it And that goes into what was in the water that framer saw So there's a Okay, so there's a Ordin you would still use yeah, you would probably take it's like it's like taking a trailer To sports car show with your with your 67 Corvette and it would not right yeah, they're gonna transport it in something else It has a need it has a technology, but it's it's still limited And in the physics that you just mentioned you said it's kind of like shooting the bullet And that's why it would take out drones that are above it because it was going up So you're saying anything that gets in the way of the bubble it creates gets destroyed It doesn't get knocked out of the way it gets obliterated or It looks like it's not too way not with a hammer. I mean like does it look like a guy hit with with something physical or does it get It you can't even find pieces once it

2:12:27Yeah, so that's a memory game. We're all talking hypothetical here, but Hypothetically because it would be illegal to have drones around it too Hypothetically if it got to the point where you wanted to find that out what you would do is you would have Quite a bit of drones around it right and you would stagger them at certain heights and what you would find is You know, you don't know what way it's gonna go eventually, but for sure at the beginning it's got to go straight out What's immediately above it is obliterated? You're not really gonna pick up anything from that But when you start getting to what you would determine is maybe the sides then maybe you have some salvageable material you can recover and the next level even though maybe not in exact same straight up But maybe to the right to the left the east the west Same concept and then eventually you run out of drones or you lose it hypothetically But that would tell you that it's definitely their physical form versus it's disappeared into some sort of Spacework as we're kind of hearing stories about Is the panel you have is that that's outdated technology? I would imagine right this one early 2000s. They're on third generation in

2:13:37Oh, because of this technology Even if you go back to the tic tac I think the tic tac is still hundreds or a thousand years ahead of what everybody else has So I think that's the worry here is that unlike the invention secrecy act that says we'll just kind of wait you out 20 30 years from now no one's gonna care about that you know the vice you made What this is able to do and just the secret of what's in the secret sauce I don't think we're ever going to be able to be outdated Which is what the problem is with us is that they can't just Let us rock Everybody wants the tic tac It's the big one technology That's in the craft you saw I think that's gin one Patrick I think that the gine's the tic tac win one I was just a quick one of the same craft as you mentioned Right is what you're saying? Gen with that. It's not all that was there. So think about the story, right

2:14:43Yes, we have determined the three of North A's on what we've been able However, keep in mind, generations usually fly at the same time, right? So you don't just get rid of Gen 1. So we saw Gen 2, but that usually means Gen 1 still flying. So then that would mean you could find Gen 1. But the point of the TickTack is to say that TickTack had multiple eyes on it, right? It doesn't have lights. I'll just tell you that now. If you go to the same nim at story and you go to Gary War he's story, his is that they had lights floating off the bow and they were able to pick them up binoculars all night. And for some reason, no one ever sent a helicopter a boat out to see what it is. There were two generations there. Gen 1, the TickTack which got seen in Gen 2, which is what we've seen that we're talking about today with the lights. And they're testing them on the spy one radar because there's a second part to that story that even the people there don't understand where again, think about how a real investigation goes in the Senate. They ask, do you think this has ever been used in a mission?

2:15:45When you tie and stuff together, it all starts to make sense. Again, the skip is not for alien stories for anyone dying to get in their helmet. From your reverse engineering and the information you've gathered so far, do you feel that it's still theoretical for you about the bubble? Or do you feel like you've been able to understand how that bubble was created through these raw materials? Like, do you feel like you understand how to make that bubble at this point? Real quick, real quick, like before you answer that, Geno, Geno, real quick. I just want to wrap up the Nimitz here real quick. But Geno, I want to get to all that for sure. I want to know that the answer to that question. But just to just to summarize this with the Nimitz, because this is, believe it or not, some people are going to be interested in this part of the story as it relates to what I cover on Vetted. So that's what I'm trying to just get a little more information here.

2:16:46So just to clarify, you believe that the Nimitz encounter was the first generation of the craft you saw. And you also believe the second generation was out there as well during the Nimitz encounter. And you believe you saw the second generation version of this craft. The first time, the one with the, you got the panel from all that. Right? Correct. And it seemed like you were saying that that second generation was what was under the water? Or is not part of it? That's one that had lights. He said the first one didn't have lights. The second one had lights. And that's what Gary Voorhees and his crew may have seen off of the ship. Right? Am I right, Mike? Correct. So the TickTack, as we've discovered, and also I think just from the visual, from what you're hearing from people, does not have lights. So then you go into Gary Voorhees story that is they just have lights sitting off the water, hovering without any noise. Of course, the question is why didn't no one go out and look, right?

2:17:48But again, that's not the TickTack. It's the same, you're hearing the same technology story, saying physics is fine, that is Gen 2. What was under the water is a transport, not Gen 1, Gen 2, or Gen 3. So is this, well, one, so the TickTack is like TickTack shape. That's what it's called TickTack, right? And the craft you described is more triangle shaped, right? So they changed the whole shape. Actually, correct. Second, Gen, you're going to try and do things like weaponize it everything else. First is just either prototype to make the Tick fly. Just a basic shape. Or an ISR. That's absolutely. Yeah, next version up, let's put a damn weapon on the thing. Let's see what we can do with it. So it's just, and by the way, this falls normal progression of anything that's ever been created in our military. This is just the normal way you build things or stuff with this. Yeah, and ISR and the milk weapons. Do you think the first generation TickTack from the Nimitz encounter,

2:18:50do you think it had panels and everything like that as well? Like it was a physical object or more air. Like how much of what's in generation two was in generation one, you think? Like the power source, it had a field around it. Yeah, I think that what you've heard from the description is pretty well correct. So it's the propane tank is, I don't know, it's more of what the actual description is, but of course he says TickTack, but we know what we're talking about. What you see there, I think, is what you get. What I can tell you in this, we'll get into Geno's question, but when you get into how to control this, one of the hardest parts is figuring out how to keep it, you know, as I was talking about earlier with this craft, trying to self-adjust for itself, what's the easiest form? And the easiest form happens to be that exact shape. You don't just want to exact, you know,

2:19:50basketball because you can't get it to flatten out, stay still. So the easiest shape to throw the tech on is actually that propane tank looking form. So once you've got that figured out, then you're going to try and go to the craft, but imagine the sort of programming and analysis that craft has to do to stay essentially self-correcting in the right, you know, department of stain-oriented. I mean, that's Gen 2 for a reason. Okay, so Gen 1 can go a little squirrely here and there and twist and turn, but Gen 2 is more of where you're going to be spending billions on just trying to keep the damn thing steady. Okay, that makes sense. So why don't you, please, please, please, please? One of the keys there, don't get excited about the shape, right? If you've ever seen those videos and people come out, they catch the test boom arm out at like the area 51 area,

2:20:52you know, vicinity, every now and then the test boom will come out and there's also it's weird shapes that are used as containers to test key elements. Right? Ah, okay, just one particular feature you're saying. Exactly, exactly. So people, you know, they're like, oh, what is, you know, what is this thing that they're testing out there at area 51? And they don't understand that's just a container. The important thing is inside of that and you can't see it. And they're just using that shape to test the thing on the inside. That makes sense. That does make sense. What, Mike, why do you think that David Fraver and everyone that's come out me, they've ever testified before Congress, right? Why do you think people are so like, why is David Fraver not aware that this is military, you know, US military stuff?

2:21:52And you are like, you're aware of it, but not David Fraver. This top compiler who was involved in the encounter. Yeah, simply puts all about what you have in front of you, right? If you would ask me this, just as a general guy that never had this happen to him, I'd say, yeah, I don't know how you argue with the Fraver. He has my total respect. What has never been said, and I'll say it today, right? So I'm not here to make friends, is that people don't understand that certain positions in life require a certain personality. David Fraver has been wrong before, you know, he's talked about when he was chasing it, it was like, I can't remember what he said, 10 minutes or something, and even his own wing mates have said it was more like five or six seconds, but he continues to tell that story. I'm not harping on the guy, right? It's a good story, by all means. He's also said that the guys on the, you know, the other ship that we were just talking about, were he's are lying about the bricks coming again, taken from them. Okay. David Fraver is an asshole.

2:22:53Just so we're clear on this, I'm glad he is, because when you get to the leader of a top gun squadron, a guy that's got to think, if it's me versus four fucking other jets, I got this, I can win this. If you hear any stories of pilots like that, you know, go to being astronaut, it always starts with somebody drove out on the fucking runway and a red convertible and pulled a j hook and then climbed out. That's who the fuck you need. You need a confident sort of asshole that thinks he can't fucking lose and he's never wrong. That's who gets those positions. That's the only people that are successful at that job. With that said, it doesn't always help when we're trying to talk to him about, could you possibly be wrong? In which case, no, there's no way he can never be wrong. But, you know, that's what I'll say. So again, yes, all my respect. I don't want people to take that wrong. I think I've explained it exactly how it needs to explain. I was a captain of a lot of teams, leader of a company.

2:23:54Sometimes you got to have an asshole on the team or the squadron and that's just the way it works. So with that said, who does he doesn't know? You know, by law, could he tell us? Security clearance wise, you know, you get into an area where it says, if they mention it to you, you say no. If they know too much, you have to deflect and be like, okay, yeah, but it's not ours. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying is someone point to me a scenario where David Fraver could tell us all it was ours if that's true. And I don't see it in the cards right now with what he does for a little. Well, you know, this will be the last question that we can move. I know, you know, I had some questions. I want to get to those. We'll wrap up the limits here. It's fascinating. You're telling us this and you're saying it on the podcast. I'm sure we've talked about it. You know, you've clearly told this to sitting members of Congress about the limits and it you think it's first general this stuff. Do they believe that? Is that just accepted fact for people behind the scenes in government? Yep. So again, it's not telling somebody something that you

2:25:01don't go into the skiff to tell stories. You've got to back it up. We worked back into that. We told them some stuff that's not publicly available that I won't say today. They send the guys out. You also have to pre-summit stuff. And when you get in there, they tell you, yeah, like for instance, in one particular case, it was right ahead of it. It was right above it. Okay. Then that Senator is saying things like asking us, do you think that's a real satellite in which their response is how the fuck would I know? Right? I don't know, Senator. But everything matches up with how this should have been then when we tell them what's there and they go back and pull those files, no one else can get to to look. So it matches up perfectly. So what I would say is for sure, they believe that this would our technology elements by all means. I would also just say talking to as many branches as I have that favorite comment comes up a lot. And no one's ever said like, my God, it must be

2:26:01off-world. All they say is, I don't give a shit if it's the aliens. I don't care if it's the Navy, the Air Force. All I know is it's siloed and I fucking wanted it in my department. That's how it's looked at within the military. So I just don't think it's getting as much attention as maybe the community thinks of anyone looking at that as as alien tech. It just no one cares. They just want the technology. Sure. Now I get it. I mean, you know, just as a saving grace for anyone listening who's interested in this topic and aliens or whatever that's what people watch the show. Now there's a small possibility. Again, I'm not saying it's probable, but there's still small possibility that even if what David Praver saw was human-made his first generation like Michael Singh, there's always a small possibility that it was reverse engineered from some sort of off-world technology. So what did he do? He solved something extraordinary, but you know, made by the US government, whatever. So just to give people something to latch on to there. You know, back

2:27:03when I first came into the space and started looking and doing comparative things, again, you know, going from the science to the patents to the programs and everything. I sort of assessed. I was like, yeah, there's about a, and people, you know, jumped all over me for it. But I said, yeah, there's like a 54-60% chance that it is actually Lockheed technology because I could see from the UFO reverse engineering into the patents into Lockheed, you know, where they that path was like, yeah, there's a chance it is Lockheed. And it's, I got crucified and jumped all over for not knowing what I was talking about, of course. But you know, more. That's the rumor out there that it's Lockheed, right? That's a Ross Colt artist said it. Other people have said that. So yeah. Here's my thing. For the plan for people in this community who want to search down where it came from and this sort of, you know, what out there's an H.I. You cannot do it until you know the truth. So as brash and as harsh

2:28:09as I am, it's not to tell you to give up hope or that what you think or what you've seen in real life wasn't there. What I'm trying to tell you is that people you think are helping you. Sure, the fuck aren't. You're cheering the wrong people, giving them trophies and awards of presentations. And furthermore, here's where I can track it to you. You'll have to jump off from there knowing that information. But you're never going to get to your truth unless you know the real fucking truth about what's happening in the skiffs with real data and information. You can't plan without that. No, well said. And let's go to Geno stuff next, but I just real quick want to say, you know, to go back to what Jean said earlier in the show, which I totally agree with how we were trying to interconnect this right earlier. You know, Jean said this helps eliminate hay from the hay stack, right? If you want to look at it that way. So I think that's a positive, right? Like you said, you got to know the truth. If you're trying to look for something beyond what you think that truth might be, it's good to know what's real and what's not and move forward with more informed

2:29:15information, you know, into your journey or investigation or however it's described. So yeah, what's that? Geno, you had a question earlier about the panel and everything. I'm so sorry. Let's let's let's get to that. So so he Mike has been working on the reverse and engineering. Where have you got to? So you've figured out that these role materials interact with how it traverses a location and things like that. So have you figured out the bubble aspect of it? Do you feel like this material that you've found is what's creating that bubble? Is that that? Is it this material that's needed to create that bubble? For the first time ever, Yamavar Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving away a new Rolex watch for every club Serrano Card tier. Play with your club Serrano Card and on September 20th, you could be one of five winners of a Rolex watch. Plus, all winners will advance to the finale at Palm's Casino Resort Las Vegas for a chance to take home a rarity. The second Mustang Dark Horse ever produced on September 26th, two properties, six winners,

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2:31:24sheet. So now what we're trying to do is we know what the answer is, you're trying to get the work done to get to that answer. And so not everything, if you know what a version generally means, it's not as simple as it sounds. So where we've got to, at the very high point is we've got to a power source that was incredibly volatile because we didn't have billions of dollars to spend on it. And as highly volatile things do, they essentially eat themselves alive and destruct. And that was driven up to the Washington DC area before we turned it on for display. I won't go into who was there, but Geno's question on this bubble is one thing that we have not been able to figure out. We can figure out things like the power source. If we have better funding, I mean, it's going to take several generations of the power source to get where it doesn't just fry itself right. But the whole bubble thing is really fucking complicated.

2:32:29And because you can't really capture it right, because once it's in the bubble, blue, it's gone. You can't really cheat on the answer. So Geno, I do not know how exactly other than we were talking about the relay system where it comes out of, we feel pretty confident on. What exactly the fuck it does inside of it or how it operates or how you could get a dattling through it when it's flying. There's so many questions we've got from just, you know, chasing this thing, but I just don't know on that. That's the big one here. So going forward with the information you've gathered on the raw materials and what you're putting together for this event, you want to, you're trying to get this information out to create new technology. Tell me if I got this right. You haven't created it yet, but you'd like to get the information out so that you can create new technology to help with the drone, to help protect

2:33:31Americans from drone drones and to work with the way that the drones work. Since I'm not creating the bubble technology, it's creating a different part of technology that you want to incorporate into drone technology. Can you explain? Where the drone going forward? How you figured out will be intricate into the drone technology and what you guys are trying to do with this event? So I-TAR is international traffic of arms regulations. It's a lot more than just international, so don't get kind of fooled on that. But it is through the Department of State and it's the other part of the Invention Secrecy Act that they hit you with, where even if you keep it as IP and you want to sell it to somebody, you have to go through the Department of State for approval, not just to sell it, but if you want to go to a trade show, every one of your brochures, everything has to essentially be approved, so you don't let out any secrets. And so

2:34:32it's the same sort of mess here, but when they were going to make us go through it, we went through the original round, but got out before we were technically under their jurisdiction. We were in four categories. One is radar. Our radar has the, you know, essentially a ability to pick up. If it's there, we're going to find it. It doesn't matter who's flying it. I can tell you that currently, right now, even at the Air Force, DOD, the whole spectrum, you know, FAA, I think we all know is pretty shitty. They can't pick up the best drones we have, which also means they can't pick up the best drones the adversary has, and you've seen that in- in Langley. So right off the bat, that solves our airspace problem, but the elected members are going to have to admit that the trillions of dollars over decades we've spent on all that has been worthless and really just went to lobbyist and defense contracting company. So that's where that believe or not, that's all that stop and that. But we have the funding approved. We have the USG guy that's got to contract. It just needs one fucking elected members signature. That's the radar. The second category we were in is stealth

2:35:38coatings. And we've kind of went over that a little bit today with our reverse engineering. What I'll say is it's kind of like with pharmaceuticals, sometimes the generics better than the original because it's had improvements. We wouldn't be able to track our improved stealth coating. Right now we can track theirs. That's the whole point of sell-emat to them. It's not that we're going to sell it to China, but it's to say, hey guys, we just fixed your mistakes that you made in that. So the third one is power sources. I just kind of hinted at that a little bit today. That's not, let's just say we wouldn't want to put it outside your house in the form of tin. I mean, shit takes money. Let's just be honest here, whether people like to hear that or not. You know, you're talking like six figures just to put one together that blows up pretty much, but it works for a little bit. The fourth one is weapons because as we all know with everything, we just talked about in the other three. What if it's on the other guy's side or what if this shit goes rogue? We've developed a weapon system that is basically tied into our radar system. Where if it's there, we can detect it that also makes it the best weapon system. Right now,

2:36:43you're hearing a lot of stuff and there's a lot of billions that have already been spent on contractor saying we tested against a hundred drones and we eliminated all hundred. You sure did from Walmart, but I'm fucking telling you because I know what the testing results are from the Air Force is we can't detect a single damn drone that's our best and we didn't it Langley. If you can't detect them, you can't bring them down and you just look at the vehicle that the system's on its flaw because what if I fly them low towards the front of your truck and you can't bend at that angle? Or if you did, you'd have to shoot your own cab that you drive it out in. I mean, it's so stupid, but the situation I'm in now is I got to a point with all these briefings where I got told you either need millions for a lobbyist and they've encouraged me to do that to spend two or three percent, you know, a couple of million on lobbyists, you have an easy act. You're not asking for them to go in and rewrite FAA rules or something. You're just saying, sign my paper. This is how DC works. I'm out of money, right? Because I spent my money on the actual

2:37:45fucking product being good. You know, Driscoll who's involved in buying all that stuff was just on Sean Ryan last week and he was saying he was out of base and they said that the particular clip that they needed was back ordered, that clip cost two grand and it's a two dollar part. Okay, these are people who spent money on lobbying instead of the fucking product. This is the system in. So the other part of that was if you don't have the money for the lobbyists and I can't get on a platform big enough to fucking talk to the public, right? I'm not Driscoll, you know, I'm not fucking 10 Philips, right? Get to the UN Council. Then you're just going to have to cost some trouble until eventually the townspeople, right? As we all know, these town halls are like, why is our skies overran by fucking adversary drones that your own chairman went on 60 minutes and said we couldn't bring down or detect and hope somehow that's a deal for us. My dad always grew, you know, the way we were raised is don't bring problems, anybody can bring problems, bring the fucking solution with it, right? Does that mean they're going to buy from us?

2:38:48Fuck who knows, but I got I'm all out of money, but I got a Fort Knox of trouble in a jeans driving the truck. So here we are in Colorado, you're going to base. No, no, my finish up, please, please. Well, you're based in Colorado, going to get everything up to the national security line where we would get in trouble, even though we don't have a a classic all that trust me, they can still get you where it's not going to put service members in danger, where the FAA can't bust in because now we've, you know, committed crimes in the air or different things. You will know the truth up to that point from all these years of actual skiff briefings, like we just talked, how will you ever come up with a plan that will work unless you know the truth of what's going on with drones, UAP and what's in our skies? Who knows what I was keeping it from you? All down that sort of line. So the idea is basically that America has a UAP problem, which is more than likely adversarial drones flying around sensitive

2:39:54places, just wherever. And you that's the problem. You're saying you have a solution to this problem, and you're trying to get the government to join you on this and you're so close, you're one signature away from this happening. Is there another whistling mic out there with its own thing like competing against you? Are you all alone on this? Is there someone else out there trying to do the same thing? Nope. In the history of that skiff, we are the only people, not even the janitor can go on without a security clearance. And we went in with sitting members, senators, you know, I mean it's just again, we're the only, we're the only people that have ever been accused of extortion in the history of the United States of government by an SES. It's just us. That sounds great, but it's not because it's just one small group of people against the government and they've almost always won that battle, unfortunately. We just don't roll over to these, everyone else.

2:40:56Let's hope they listen to you because you might have a solution. We've got this solution. Let me just say this, we've got this solution and it's not just to the drone problem because if we know what's in the air, we're going to take care of the adversity drone problem. For all the people, why am I on the show? If you want to know what the fuck's in the air, we'll pick that out. It doesn't matter if it's alien craft, it doesn't matter if it's glow and orbs. We're not going to get sidetracked today, but we've already briefed a couple of out, but agencies about this big one that's getting talked about. Where the orbs showed up, something showed up and it wasn't orbs and it wasn't NHI, it's a whole other story. Here's my point. We know what's in the sky. If they're setting out, send the sky, we'll find it. Just fund us two birds with one stone. We're actually all going for the same fucking mission here. Just people don't understand that. You just need a better damn radar system, take care of everything. Besides you being accused of extortion, have you felt any other

2:42:00negative negativity that's come from the government? Do you feel like they're following you? Do you feel like they're trying to do anything to you? The government could do whatever they want, IRS, Saudi, all sorts of things. Do you feel like you're dealing with anything else besides that accusation of extortion? Yeah, I just, I don't bitch much about it, but one of the things we did when we got into our battle legally with SSS at the end is one of the people that Tim Phillips basically identified because there could only be one person, but based on what I heard from that Senator's staff, I was told that I went to Chessmer and my family is one guy and that guy now works at the Treasury Department and had to be confirmed by the Senate who nominated him and we wanted to show up at the hearing to talk about him and all of a sudden we got the rock back in some of other problems. But yeah, if you know how the SSI works and the staff works and I know you know

2:43:01quite a bit about DC, but it's amazing how it's also a very small world and the folks that come out of that skiff were they end up working National Security Council presidential advisory. Yeah, it's a complete 360 fuck job where you just that's the point of it to make it feel like you can't win because then you just give the fuck up. Yeah. Real quick, without, I can't go, I mean, this is a UFO podcast show. You just said that the event that everyone's talking about that happened with this summoning of orbs that came out right in intelligence agents were there and witnessed it and took photos and all this stuff. You're saying you have talked to some of that is not that is not NHI. Directed energy everybody's tearing about right? Everything's directed energy weapon, directed it. We're going to direct it in. It's a new science and what we're finding out is that much like we just talked today or if you read through the paragraphs that I put up that we talked

2:44:05about, some of the results are discovered by mistake. One of those results as scary as it is, it's a particular type of directed energy by all means but we're picking up measurable radiation spikes in areas where they shouldn't be. Think about our you know water system, our reservoir system, farmland. That's not good. We're not prepared to deal with that. You don't have to worry about drones. What happens if there's just some adversity kicks some shit up above you know like need or something right? I mean radiation has a shelf life if you don't know. So with that said first we start with drones then we get into drone swarms then we get in all sorts of coatings and power technology but what if instead of all that the first wave in was this directed energy byproduct that comes in and knocks out your communication systems and it is technically you know intelligently controlled, knows to go for electronics,

2:45:06things with heat signatures like helicopters and planes. You don't have to bring in the drones, you don't have to bring in the people or the UAP. You just kick some of this shit up and send it downwind and that's that's what you get into and then it just fades away. Is that story sound familiar? Because that's the one you fucking heard. So that's as far as I'll go into that but I will say that we've already tipped off some folks. So the story there is not the NHI showed up. The story there is that a bunch of people who I can tell you from talking to them all believe in this thing, this NHI stuff showed up with an experiment thing that was going to happen and the military gave it to them and they bought it hook line of fucking sinker and that's the story. Is down the down decades from now it'll be that the military tricked IC into looking the other way based on ghouls and goblins and in flash. Why would they do that? So have you seen the military trick these intelligence officials into thinking that they saw these glowing orbs when they didn't?

2:46:09No, no, no, they did see them. It's just the orbs that showed up were not just orbs that showed up because you're moving nuclear stuff around or you know whatever the story is. The orbs showed up because that is a weapon system that can be related at any point time they want. So what you saw is not that you didn't see it. It's that what your mind is and what your experiment was to tell you that it had to be in HIs something showed up was really planned to show up. So that's the relay of the orbs. So there was glowing lights in the sky moving around. Yeah, but just a US military system not has nothing to do with NHI. Absolutely nothing to do with NHI. That's very I've never heard that the glowing orbs or some weapon system. I didn't know that. I've never heard that before. You hang out with UFO people too much Patrick. That's true. That's the joke. Anyway, my point is it's like, if you have an experiment, right?

2:47:09If you have an experiment and you have a bunch of people who are on the edge of their fucking seat waiting to see if something happens and it does happen, are you really going to question was this a military system or are you just going to say my god it happened. The NHI showed up now keep in mind and this is where I hate the whole orb thing. No offense to you guys because I know you're exploring it actually exploring it with the truth is here. I know Geno's even put out a call of action of sorts to get some legitimacy to this but what I find odd is that craft didn't show up. The five foot lizards didn't show up. The Nordic didn't show up. The balls of light show up. The easiest fucking thing to produce to get them to believe it. If a craft would have showed up and landed and ailing got out, you got me right. It's not it's not it's not the military but I'm just trying to point that out to people that like it may not have been as spectacular as you think that some balls of light showed up and appeared to be flying around intelligently controlled and then disappeared.

2:48:15A real quick scenario is if we were back in the 1800s because people always like to say if you gave a cell phone to a caveman, well if I turned on a fucking bubble machine in front of a caveman, he'd think that was some sort of magic or orbs too. It's kind of the same concept here. It's just very simple. The question is why I didn't get. Why do that? Well keep in mind they're chasing this. They're wanting to show up at facilities. They're wanting to find this technology and forever the US government even going back to rounds who says he still doesn't think he's been briefed in all of our programs. They don't want to admit to it. So somebody shows up. Now they're saying today as I read that there's a presidential I don't think it's next to the executive order but he's released it. I saw. Parnell, the spokesperson, they can show up anywhere they want now. The UAP caucus and you got to let them in to look for this stuff. So do you want to keep them on that track or do you want to go ahead and start your own program, your own SIOP that the NHI stuff

2:49:15and send them the other fucking direction? Why they won't just tell us I don't know that part Patrick but I'm just telling you this is the biggest fucking SIOP in the world between the military and the IC and it appears it got the military. The military. The military. Our own intelligence agency and members of Congress because basically they're creating these groups to go out and search at all these military base. The military is like I don't want you guys coming here and going through our secret shit. It's not alien but I don't want you coming through it. Is that essentially it? So we're going to put you off the course right off the path and wow that's fascinating. However let me say this it's not it's not it is our Congress but it's not our Congress. What I mean is the people right armed services SSI are not going to this they're not doing thing they're gone. They've left the scene what two years ago they know what the truth is it's the house it's the UAP caucus it's freshman no offense to him but I just want to make sure

2:50:18we differentiate between who's leading this charge versus just the whole of government searching this out so a certain group of people are who I might just also mention that in a last little interview with Senator rounds he told them that hey the UAP caucus down there now is getting a committee you know the committee where they investigate that and Senator rounds quoted statement as to laugh and then say well good it may keep them from putting their nose in other places may keep them busy. What the you know I mean it's right in front of us people right all the answers are right in front of us Mike I got a question for you on the tech side of things okay so we we discussed you don't on this we don't have a real knowledge of the bubble yet but with your role material then what you've discovered you have figured out part of the energy system of it so I always had a suspicion that I've talked about before that the reason the government

2:51:20may be keeping zero point energy from us is number one how powerful it is and number two that it's just very easy to duplicate but and they don't want that information to get out because of the nits in the hands of everyone do you feel similar with what you've discovered about these role materials that it's actually easier to create this anti-gravitic technology or I know you that Yamavar Resortant Casino it's San Manuel is bringing the biggest laughs to the stage break taboo's with Ali Wang on August 28th and 29th enjoy Ralph Barbosa's dry humor on September 18th and 19th and don't miss Nikki Glazers on apologetic comedy November 19th tickets on sale now at Yamavar theater dot com only at Yamavar Resortant Casino celebrating its 40th anniversary you in must be 21 to enter band-u will is now available everywhere in the US

2:52:25so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including these places may this your most rewarding season ever with fan dual agent location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see fan dual dot com for eligibility gambling problem called 1-800-Gemmar it wasn't what you wanted to use as far as the word but you feel like it's that easier to understand than people think they're just missing a key element yeah yeah I mean again a couple guys from Kansas right figured out everything to get to this right and then we get to this the magic poor material from this and then we start working on that going on all sorts of things like a power source now I am millions of dollars into this you know I used to be the executive the VP of a publicly traded company and had a nice big house and now I

2:53:28live on some acreage in the trailer home because I'm putting into my company but could someone with a couple million bucks crack this maybe not your average high school student but yeah now you look at other countries other companies I think that qualifies as saying it's a lot easier than people have thought yeah I would agree with that you know and don't you think that that's going to make them sees this and classify it is I mean I'm surprised they haven't already if you feel that way but after this event don't you feel like that's what you're going to be up against we're all dead men walking if you figured out because as people have seen historical events from SES is accusing us of billions of extortion they're not going to let you talk about it and even if you're some house members going to search for it they're going to send you the wrong way with an intentional deceiving technology display to make you think it's in H.I. so yeah you're not going to get to see it you're not going to get to talk about it it's very it's very I'm sorry to ask

2:54:30and tell us what what you can but what safety precautions have you put in place for yourself have you have you made videos for your family to to release have you do you have people looking after you every certain amount of time do you have cameras everywhere tell me how how where is your fear compared to your need to get the information out so as I've always said since the beginning of time it's probably been back on Pat just and I talk about a strategic plan and people haven't understood that it's not just coming out yelling stuff you know it's working through a process and it does take time and so this is one of your our first step in Colorado and there'll be some steps after that um so you got to have a strategic plan you know when I first started going in I had to go through things like training with SSI where you understand it's not like the old days um you know the

2:55:33hitmen and stuff they're still around but it's more things like you go home you check your mail or you open your gate and there's a nerve-aid on it whoever put it there's on a plane back home and you're just in your dad that's how modern day things work and it's completely true and so you get into this scary stuff you got a homeschool your kids I mean it's it's a pretty fucked up you know lifestyle especially when you start um you know getting down to the end of your if your financial supply which is kind of why I've had to come forward um that doesn't mean I can't but food on the table or I have a go fund mirroring stuff like that it's not me but then you kind of get through all the training where stuff we're not going to talk about but let's just say if I can pick out some stuff in the sky that no one else has you know I can share the help find you on the property right we're all set up to defend ourselves but what I discovered through all this mess is that there's a group of individuals some of them are pretty good friends that we made that this is their daily life it's like every day you go into that SSC

2:56:38ice gift you walk out and you got to deal with Chinese espionage you got to deal with your phones getting hacked worrying about your wife going you know your kids going to school and some fucking how you have to sit around and still live your life and still have a good cracking joke you know jean I won't go into his story here but there's still some countries probably not real happy with jean from a CIA contract but me and him get together and we fucking have a drink and joke so I am completely cautious I you wouldn't believe the stuff we've done good luck that's what I would say to you if you ever try to come and grab me it's mainly our own government that's the fucking problem which is hard to keep them keep them at bay but you have to live your life and that's kind of where I'm at right now so you know nothing's going to change that it's just fight my own government trying to get on a big enough platform where you know people have always said to me why didn't you come out earlier you know then you've got that you've got that top cover because you know your name's out and I was always trying to tell them

2:57:39it's never about top cover guys it's about leverage it's about still having the fucking answers they don't want out it's about leverage but it leverage only works if you can get to a platform and tell people you've got the leverage and that they've already admitted like 10 Philps 2 that you have the leverage yeah he's got physical material and pieces and then that works and it also works to get me a deal because at the end of this it's really about saving our own men and women's fucking next that's why the USG is still got a funny guy working with us not because he wants me to be some rich guy so again we're actually trying to drag the fucking horse to the water and make them drink and I know that's a little bit of a log-winded answer but I think that helps out with the whole full cycle of what I'm doing the risks I'm taking and what I'm trying to get to as I go from here but it's not easy after all these years I spent just staying as a good American in the shadows real quiet yeah well I mean this is such a yeah obviously going through a lot of Mike and you know

2:58:47you've been bested a lot into this and you know you're putting your money where you're mouth is literally and you know I hope this works out in your favor and people listen to you and curious to you know hear the feedback after the event and how it goes I think that's this probably a good place to sort of end the story I know there's probably more things we get talked about but it's just going to be so much people just aren't going to they're going to tune out for you know just it'd be too long let me just lay one state in the form and that is that you know the only thing I ask for people are my parting remarks or that now that my full names out which is what they spend all their time and threats to get me to not release there's going to be a second folder a second shoe coming so I don't know what it is it'll be something to discredit me it'll something to disgrace me stick with me people you know obviously until I can get on a bigger platform where then they're worried about me talking then just stick with me right I'll explain whatever

2:59:51shit they put out right just like I did before on the extortion claim so just just stick stick with me through this if you can yeah right no no absolutely of course of course well just thank you Mike thanks for coming on and I know this was a lot and it was a long time so I appreciate taking the time and I got a lot of other people to talk to and all the stuff going on so I should appreciate coming on and clarifying a lot of things to the story I'm sure people have more questions I don't think the questions would ever stop coming honest with you but I think a lot of things were clarified I know for me personally if I represent the audience and I feel I understand your story a lot more and especially a lot of the details that work some people work confused about so just want to thank you for coming on prayer for I'm going to thank you to Jean for I'm glad you had me yeah bad Jean came on and Gina it's good to see you you always have a collection of really good questions he does he does now I appreciate that you know to her Gina coming on to

3:00:54um and help and um yeah right down the story so there's no final thoughts I'm just going to wrap it up here unless anyone has any last thing to say Schmacht alright thanks guys