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Hello, everyone. I'm Chris. Welcome to how we have the podcast and be full-stop

building up to the game against us and fill it on Sunday, where it's probably worth mentioning

that it's possible we close the gap to a Champions League place to just three points,

which I thought was worth raising, to get an early feel-good factor into the proceedings.

But before all our focus is directed and we thought we'd have a quick news round up to

chat all things Sunland related that has gone on in the last week to get us up to speed ahead

of the weekend. And luckily for me, I have a few gentlemen that will help me do just that.

And first up, we have Andrew Smithson. Hello, Andrew. Hello, Morning, mate. Are you

keeping well? Yes, I am, mate. I am. And even better listening to you with Martin. Just do a

really quick Q&A, of course. You know, you're just nip on. We'll do a quick 20 minutes

and hour and a half later and you've answered all people's questions. Well, any questions

the world has as well, I think. I'm not taking responsibility for that. I just get asked the questions,

you know, but yeah, hopefully the day we could be a little bit more precise. We'll see. We'll see.

That was always good. Listen to you, Martin, putting the wheels to right, as always. But also

joining us today, we have the ever punctual bomber. Hello, mate.

The ever punctual bomber. Hello, yes. Hello, everybody.

Only the five minutes late this morning, mate. You know,

I mean, if you're less than five minutes late than it classes is on time. It's fine.

Are you going to have that conversation with Roy Kane here? Yeah, yeah.

But just quickly, mate, in national fans weekend, you were up. Did you enjoy it?

I was. Yeah, it was very good. He was very good. I got a bit of everything,

and really me and me and Malcolm and Tom Albright and played a bit of golf. Got to watch

the boxing, got to watch the football, got to watch a one-year win, got to see all the fine

gentlemen, well, most of the fine gentlemen from Roker Report for the annual catch up in the

fans museum, got dragged into the rabbit for the fourth year in a row. Yeah, I mean, what more do

you want from your weekend? Dragged in. How about you leading the Congo through the door?

Absolutely. He was not. Yeah, right. Okay. Well, we'll get into that probably outside of the

podcast, but and last but not least, we have Ant Warson. Hello, hello. I don't think anyone

ever gets dragged into the rabbit monitor. I've seen pictures, Bob. I've seen pictures of you

dancing, mate. So I think you had a good time. Yeah, a bit of lucky dreams on, mate. Yeah,

so when he got to the bar, they said, oh, the usual is it's, don't pretend.

Yeah, well, you know, if it if they're standing there, belting out the lyrics, well, holding

both arms up with one drink in your hand can be clashed as dancing. Then yeah, there was lots of

dancing. I've seen worse things clashed as dancing, Christras. That's that's very true. Yeah,

you haven't seen my moves for a while, mate. So, you know, people picked up a few injuries

last time. So we'll leave that one there. But anyway, let's get into some news round up stuff

because well, let's let's start with international fans day quickly. And I'll start with you,

Andrew, because listening to Gav's pod, you know, talking to people and you know, you were talking

to people around the fans museum and stuff. I mean, Gav emphasized it, but it is so important

that the club do stuff like this to to encourage people from all around and you know, build up

that fan base from all over the world. And it is just incredible. You do forget because some

and such a, you know, when you go away sometimes you do think, God, some lens is just a village in

some ways where, you know, you know, such and such, or you're always not that far removed from

someone else and someone mentions a name. But we've got people all over the world come into

to kind of sort that atmosphere, isn't it? It's it's it's staggering. And I think it was the point

was made on the pod that it reminds you that this is a amazing, crazy, bizarre, magical club. We all

support and it's got brilliant pull. But it is important that these people are made to feel

special and make the feel welcome because it it must be very difficult. Bomber yourself,

you might know this, it must be very difficult. You see a Sunland result and you you're buzzing.

Well, if there's nobody there to talk to about it, you feel kind of left out a little bit. So

I think it's nice that the club say, hey, listen, you're as much a part of us as everybody else.

Yeah, that's a fair assessment, Chris, to be happy to be fair. And I'm only,

well, I say only it, you know, it takes longer for me to get to stadium, I like that it does some

of our fans from from Ireland, but, you know, being in country is bad enough, you know,

Danny Glosser, I don't know any other Sunland fans in Gloucestershire and the only way I've been

able to enthuse about the club and express my love for the club and talk about the trials and

tribulations and the good things is through this medium and through the friends that I've made

to write it. So yeah, like before then, I've been doing this not my what, five, five years,

I think I've been involved with Rooka report. And before that, you know, my engagement with other

fans was Twitter basically. So yeah, it is a great thing to bring like-minded fans who are

probably isolated in their support of Sunland together. And again, some of the stories that you

get every year are fantastic. I know people, you know, I thought my story was quite a good one

of how I support Sunland, but it pales in comparison to some of the other lads who are in Mexico and

the States and Canada and Australia and everything else. It's, yeah, it's, it's pretty impressive.

And I imagine now if you, it took the trend from where you are bomber, it'll probably take longer

from people, I guess, from Canada to Sunland than it will get in the trade in this country.

I'm all expensive as well. Yeah. Well, there was, there was one guy I think I'm sure it was the first

guy that Gav talked to, the fans museum and Gav was like, oh, so what you up to while you're over

and he was like, I'm a big fan of trains. So I'm like, I'm going to go around, you know,

looking at trains, the country are like, bloody hell. Oh, you know, just make sure you turn up 15

minutes later to catch it because there's no rush in this country. But anyway, let's get in this

on some small bits and pieces because there's some more meat you want to get in you, but we'll go

through some of the quick ones that have come up in the news. And and I'll start with you because

there was a stranger on with Sam Allen ice on the Libero pod. And I've only

getting these comments, third hand. So I'm not quite sure who was on, but I know Jonathan Wilson

quite often is the one of the hosts of this podcast. We've talked to him about it the last time

he was on how he the podcast. But Sam Allen ice made some comments on there about

Turner around at Sunderland. And he said something along the lines, and I'm paraphrasing, but he

said something turned around when he signed three Muslims in a tea total German. So suggesting

that it was one of the reasons where it turned around maybe a drinking culture at the club

at the point, but with everything that had gone on before, it's not really surprising, is it,

and no, not really. No, I mean, when I obviously had the first time I heard those comments when

we were talking about this off air and it sounds like a really bad joke, doesn't it? You know,

like a dad joke. But I can say that it must coincide with obviously because when we did sign,

obviously, um, Kirchhoff who did have a bad debut, but then when he came on against Man City,

he looked, he looked absolutely unreal and it did turn around our fortune sign and all those

plays didn't it? Because we ended up staying up. So it was obviously a good thing and maybe it was,

you know, something that had been going on in the cup for a little while. I mean, it was not too far

away from, um, it was probably called a toxic culture at the club, wasn't it? And I think there was

certain players picked out of that. Um, so maybe they're not signing them, did turn around a little

bit. Um, I'm just, I don't know what I just think with those comments. I'm just surprised that in

this day and age, you still, you kind of have to see those kind of things. It is what it is, isn't it,

but, um, well, no, I mean, he was right. It changed, like I say, it changed the whole season around

for us and we can see those players, you know, I mean, Korya, where because we all had massive,

massive parts of staying up that year. So, um, yeah, fair enough. Yeah. And then maybe David Moise

introduced it again. Who knows? Well, yes. Well, he dropped one of them, didn't he? He dropped

Kazary, didn't like him, didn't he? And obviously he's still our best footballer that we had at the club.

He's, uh, he's by British comments, uh, you know, maybe because he thought there was a lack of

drinking culture. Who knows what happened? But, uh, but anyway, yeah, that, that was just a quick one,

but, uh, but moving on and I'll, uh, come around to you, bomber with this one, um, because, uh,

and it's been a couple of weeks now, but it's kind of gone under the radar a little bit, uh, but

Jemento 4, um, getting a pointed manager of walking. And I think he's got off to a, to a good start,

uh, four games on Baden. Uh, he's, I think in his first game, he came from 3-1 down against, uh,

well, Eastley, who, um, unfortunately, had some lint links in the last decade or so. Let's just leave

it there. Um, but yeah, since then, he's, uh, he's done well. I think the 1-1-5-0, if I remember

rightly, I think, oh, mook 5-1, sorry, the beep mook him. Um, and, uh, he seems to be doing well,

and they've got Getshead next to the most informed team in the country. But, uh, but an interesting one

that he's gone all the way down to, to walking, to start off his career. And there is this argument

that some people think, you know, well, that's what they should do. They should go down and,

and cut their cloth, you know, like, you look at Alex Fergson, where he started off and he had a

build these way up and there's been many managers who've done that or you just go the pep way

and go straight in at the top and stay at the top. But, uh, put to be fair to him, you know,

there's a lot of players out there who would get their qualifications and just say, I'm not starting

somewhere like walking and, um, and yeah, he's gone in there and, uh, he's got off to a good start.

Yeah, I mean, there's certainly been worse new manager bank season. There were

players managers coming into, to new clubs. Um, and I'm fair play to him because, you know,

like, as you said, Chris, the Premier League players, and especially Premier League players

of the caliber, odds of the likes of Jermaine DeFoe, and I'm thinking, you know, the, the,

the people who go into management and that, that top level of Premier League. So you're,

you know, you're, you're frank lampards and, and the likes that it can often feel like anything

below the championship has beneath them. Um, so fair play to Jermaine DeFoe for checking his

ego to one side and, um, and seizing off the opportunity to, to go into the lower leagues.

I think it's the way that you should do it because you, especially if you've not played,

you know, it's for every professional footballer has played a non league in some form,

whether it's youth football or, or whatever. But to go into the non league, into a team like

well-keying who are, you know, for all intents and purposes, middling around in the, in the national

league, to, to cut your teeth in management. So I might say, oh, he's sold himself short and

dropped himself a little bit too far down. Um, he's decided to take on that challenge and,

and looks like he's, he's doing all right. I think I've just read, uh, some of that, he's got

Paul Bracewell in with him as well. So the, the, the links there. Um, and yeah, I mean,

if he keeps doing what he's doing, and he's, things under feet, isn't it? We were talking about

two full draws in a win or something like that. Um, and ironically, it looks like he's got the

defense locking doors as, as a striker, because there's two, two neonial draws in that and a five

one at Malkham, uh, easily result aside. So yeah, he's doing all right. I think he'll, it looks like

they'll not kind of go up or go down this season. So we all, it's kind of stabilizing into that,

almost into that mid-table obscurity, I guess. Um, I haven't seen the league table to see their

sat-tenth at the minute. And obviously with the national league playoffs, probably get down to

14th and you'll get a playoff place. So I don't know whether they're still in with a shot of that.

But yeah, it's a good start and fair play to him and, and obviously wishing all the best.

Yeah, just, just quickly sticking with you from a very quickly, just on that Paul Bracewell one,

because we did a podcast with him before the Everton game this season. And it was great to talk

to him and talk about his time at Sunlin. Um, but he also said that he was looking to get back

in the game at that point. He had a few, uh, ions in the fire that he potentially had at that

point. So it's great to see him as he's assistant. And if you think it wouldn't have just been,

because of course, he was manager, assistant manager under advocate while the four was a Sunlin

player and allered ice. Um, I can't remember who originally appointed him, uh, as assistant, but,

um, well, I'm sure Andrew might tell us in a minute, but I'm sure he was definitely assistant

under those two. Uh, he was also on the staff at Spurs when the four was kind of doing these

qualifications and, um, doing some stuff with Spurs with the Academy and stuff like that. So, um,

it's good to say that they, they had a relationship and, um, and yeah, that, uh, that is, uh, back in,

back in the game, I'm walking with the four. Yeah, it's a strange one though, isn't it? Like, you

don't, you don't expect so much those relationships between players and background stuff, maybe players

and managers, but players and coaches and background stuff and that, you know, automatically

link those together, but obviously during that time Spurs and Sunlin, they, they've built a relationship

up and, um, and yeah, it's good to see Paul getting an opportunity to, to get back into the game,

as he was desperate to do when, when he spoke to him. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Well, uh, moving on, um,

and, um, well, sticking with Spurs slightly and maybe the, the week ending the game, because I'll

come to you, Andrew, where this, because you, you might be waiting for this one. I'm not quite

sure, but, uh, Kelvin McKenzie, um, who, who always, uh, talks about the truth, um, of course,

as, as we well know, um, with his history, but, uh, he made comments about, um, the spare change

being stolen from the Spurs fans on the way into the stadium of light and not given back without

their permission and who knows where that change would have gone because the club say it goes to

charity, but who knows? Does it go to charity? Um, you know, no conspiracy theories there,

but, uh, seemingly McKenzie had a certain foil hat on there, Andrew. Yeah. Can we not talk about Paul

Bryce will a bit more? I mean, I brought it, you know, you can start there if you want. No.

I think it was, um, I think it was, was, uh, Aladaisa made an assistant manager. Now,

that would be a story if it was Kelvin McKenzie that he was making an assistant manager. Um,

Oh, so was he, but I thought he was assistant on the

advocate. He'd come in as a coach. He'd worked with the youths on like a one-to-one basis

and then worked his way up. And I think he was a coach under advocate because he brought his own

uh, valet in. That's interesting. I'm prepared to be told otherwise. Like, I'm not, I'm not,

I'm not 100 percent. One thing you can be guaranteed of as me and Andrew are going to be

frantically looking this up as soon as this podcast. It's ironic that I'm about to criticize Kelvin

McKenzie, not knowing what he's talking about. Um, but you, you said it there about the truth.

Now, I don't know if, um, maybe being a bit insensitive here, but his comments were on

the anniversary of Hillsborough. And you just think how have you not learned to get your facts

right before making wild accusations that could cause division and, and anger? It would,

he was so desperate to have a pop at Sunland that he failed to take a cursory two-second glance

to find that every single spurs fan was made aware beforehand. This isn't some sort of

surprise. This has been a policy at Sunland since. Was it Coventry or Portsmouth or?

I think something happened with the Pompey fans, but until Coventry did it again,

then we put those restrictions in place. Right. My memory's right. Right. Well, but there you go.

That's, we're talking a period of years here, then, aren't we? So this is, this has been a thing.

And it just, I don't know, it's a bit sly to just kind of not say it is many words, but kind of like

just intimate that Sunland have done something inappropriate with the money. And it's all a bit,

it's just unpleasant. And there's a guy, I've got no respect for him whatsoever. He seems as,

as if he lives his life to just stir the pot. But certain things, I think, are dangerous and you

shouldn't use them as a avenue to have a, have a pop. And as well, in general, it seems as if

Sunland now will back in the big time, starting it. There's been a few people having digs. I noticed

Lee and Kennedy, who was a, a new castle journalist who quite rightly got booted off the Sunland

Echo. He'd made some comments years ago, then got a job for the Echo, then tried when he,

when he got found out he's been making little, little nibbles at Sunland. And I just think

journalists have got a responsibility. Why, why, why deliberately antagonise people and say

things that are run true? It's, it's, it's not right. You know, you know, it's, well, like I said,

he hasn't got a form for this as he but, but yeah, anyway. And, but actually one thing I was going

to mention about that was it is strange that these restrictions have been in all season,

not one of the club has mentioned anything about it. But it just had that, it had that

feel about it that game with the Spurs fans. And I think he was just kind of stoking the flames

with it because I think everyone's shackles were already up about that game. But again,

moving on from, from those comments, and I want to move on to you because it's not news over

the last week. But I don't think it's being talked about a huge amount or maybe not enough

because we go back to the 7th of April. And there was announcement that Bay Collective

were to acquire a majority stake in Sunland, AFC, women. And there was an announcement that was

put out on the website. And it had a lot of information about Bay Collective, maybe in a

multi-club ownership platform dedicated to building women's football clubs. That, of course,

with the slogans, they say they'll win on the pitch and thrive off it and all that sort of

stuff as companies generally do. But yeah, there was lots of comments from the Chief Executive

of Bay Collective, K Kossington said, we couldn't be more excited to partner with Sunland, they

have seen right in the next chapter, four Sunland women, a club where with such a proud history

and strong identity and all of this. But it does seem just reading between the lines you might

know a bit more about it and but it does seem like it's a majority stake, but the club have got

enough that they keep the Sunland identity and that remains, doesn't it?

Yeah, and that's what's really, really important about it. Obviously, we mentioned this on the

last podcast last Monday. It seems, you know, when you said, oh, I was able to send this, I was

any last week, but we podcasted like three times a day, don't we? So, it's a world we get in our

our lifetime. But yeah, I think that's the most important thing about it is, you know, you've got to

remember the women have, you know, brought in for Paul as I beth maize, you know, Lucy Brown,

Steph Houghton, you know, there's a huge huge names who've gone on to have wonderful

careers in the game, started the career at Sunland. So, you know, and it's also right to have that,

I think that what we do, we build youth, we've got a couple of good, really good youngasses in

now, you know, Katie Watson for a start, who's for me going to be a WSL player in the Megan next

couple of years, she's already made 100 appearances for Sunland and she's 20, you know,

that's just absolutely like incredible. And so, the fact that they keep in that, you know,

to build the youth, they never deny that. And then, you know, hopefully one day sitting

and developing, hopefully seeing them develop as it to be a self-player at Sunland, which is what

we want to, we don't want Nasty, you know, like to go off, we had the last couple of years ago,

called Dave Herronos, Sunland Fanos, had to go to Birmingham. And she's obviously going to get

promoted this year, so she's going to be playing to WSL. So, we'd like to say that,

we'd like to say Sunland up there as well. I think with the whole thing about her days,

the fact we're getting Kate Carson, you know, the fact that Kate Carson is going to have a big,

a big say on what's going on. For the people who don't know who Kate Carson is, she was basically

FAA directly when England won the Euros. So, she had a lot to do with API and the saying so,

it's not as if we've sold it to like an American, American company who don't know anything about

the women's game. It's literally, they've got someone in who lives and breathes women's

football up in England. So, I think it's a really, really good, really exciting kind of time for

the lasses next year. The only little thing I've got is how it happened to come to this, how,

you know, Kevin's obviously thought, well, we'll do that and not put the club's investment in.

That's the only thing that's got me a little bit like kind of, there you go, it's the right way,

you know, obviously, they don't really care that much sort of sort of on board. For the lasses

themselves, it is hugely exciting. So, it's a square thing. Okay. So, just to kind of clarify

that last point, and would you say that there might be a little bit of that from the people involved

in a Sunday FC women's team and that club and the staff there, that there's a sense of

that the club wants to hand them off a little bit and once kind of less control over it. I mean,

is there an element of that? Maybe, maybe, obviously, I don't offer, just reading between the lines,

it's not, you know, you know, what you say, well, how much else do you see? I think Aston Villa

who sold their women's teams to themselves for a PSR. Do you basically make some money for PSR?

This isn't the PSR move at all. It's not making something that meant any money at all.

So, it is literally just a thing where we have sold the majority stake of the lasses to be a collective.

So, it's not like, like I say, it's not as if we're getting in anything PSR-wise. So, that's probably

a good thing as far as the lasses are concerned. It's a massive, massive thing. Just for me,

as a fan of both, I would have liked to have, I think I would have liked the investment that

would have come from our owner. There's one club, one club mentality thing, but that, like I say,

if this far has been a lasses fan, it is going to be very, very exciting next season because it

is going to bring money, it's going to bring big names, they're going to come to the club.

Like I say, they're still looking at it, keeping the identity of the club. So, keeping

these young players thriving and everything like that in Sunderland, which is what we need.

And hopefully, one day, it might lead to an extension of some stadium where we might be able to

play football in Sunderland because at the minute, they're playing Ableton, which in all

intensive purposes is a nice little stadium. The lasses love playing there, but it's on the far

outskirts of Sunderland. Not many people can get there, it's difficult to get to. So, for

something like maybe build a stadium in Sunderland, we're going to be in class for lasses because if

they get promoted, they'll have to play at the stadium right every week, every time they're at home.

So, obviously, that has its own kind of troubles and everything like that. Obviously, I don't like

watching women's football in the stadium when there's not many people there, which at the minute,

still building. Apart from when we're playing Newcastle, where we had 10,000 and never

done that, I would play Crystal Palace next Sunday, I think. And that's at the stadium, and I think

there'll be probably less than 1,000 and maybe 2,000 up early. And I don't like watching

it in big teams at that time, I prefer the little small stadiums. But no, like I say,

in total, it's an exciting thing for the lasses and a figure that will give us that opportunity

to get into the result in a couple of years' time. That's the last game of the season, a week

on Sunday, I think. Yeah, the last home game, yeah, yeah, they've got Ipswich the week after,

and that's down at Ipswich last home game, yeah. And Drew, you were just going to put your two

pens in there with that? I think Anne hits a male on the head with Kay Cossington being involved.

It's clear that this isn't somebody seeing it as a money-making scheme, it's somebody with a

passion for the women's game. I think the Bay Collective have already had, this has obviously

been happening in the background for a while, because didn't we have a player on loan who's now

playing for Bay FC in America, Keira Barry? Yeah, yeah, so she was at Manchester United,

signed for us on loan, and then has got the BFC. But you look at Andrew with their season,

we probably could have players from being coming until December, because their season doesn't start

on January, and we're over there, so we may get Keira Barry back. That would be massively exciting

if we could do a player trade. That would be really good for someone to be fair.

A genuine question, I'm not trying to catch anybody out here. I appreciate that little bit of

concern about are the men's ownership almost washing their hands of the women?

I'd like to hope that what it is actually is, this is getting involvement, investment into

the women's team without anybody having to then also fund the men. That's how I see it.

I hope that it's a case of by bringing these in as separate owners with an ownership purely of

the women. They're not then having to fund any men's projects or spending. Hopefully, it's that

rather than just the club washing their hands. But is that made just being naive, Ant?

No, no, no. I think you're right. I think you're right. And I think me and me are being the

proof of being the proof of being the put in a couple of years' time, if they're in the WSL

and they're attracting some international players that come and play for them while also keeping

the identity of like the takers. We've got three or four really good young losses. We've got a couple

who are, you know, we've got a last year made a debut against Newcastle called Croix Paxden 19-year-old,

did an ACL once, she was 17, made a debut in 10,000 funds. You know what I mean? It was the first

game for the club, absolutely outstanding. And they've got some of them in the academy who are

very, very good, like who could make a step up international players as well playing for the

academy. So, as long as they keep that and make sure that we don't kind of lose our identity

as in like what Newcastle women have done, who have just tried to buy themselves out the league.

Because they've got maybe one local player playing for them now regularly. They've got

rid of half the majority of them. They've got them there. They've got rid of. So I don't want,

I don't want that to happen. You know, I really don't. I think, you know, like I say, I think,

you know, obviously get there to be a self-play as well after leaving is what it is. But I still

want that idea of bringing through the next Beth, me, the next Lucy bronze, the next, you know,

Steph Halton, Jill Scott. I mean, the list is course on Demi Storks list on, you know, it's endless.

Though I would like to still say that in the club, so fingers crossed. But, you know, like

having Kate Crosston doing this here after watching is done in England is massively, massively

exciting. Yep, good stuff. Well, I think that's a good chance for us to take a quick break. And

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1-800-Gamber. No, 1-800-My Reset. And welcome back to how we're the podcast and we're just about

to get into some of the, I want to say a kind of really recent news. It is, but it isn't

this one, bomber, because of course the vote was going on regarding Legends Way for a good

while. And then there was a strange announcement at the game where they just announced who would

be voted on the Legends Way. And I can't actually remember off the top. My head if there was

a closing time to the vote before that. There might have been one and I missed it. I wasn't quite

sure about that. But the strange thing was an announcement at halftime which voting players

had been chosen. And we can get into the ins and outs of some of those if you like, bomber. But

it was really strange how it was done at the game because then what happened was nothing was

really published anywhere on this list. It just, there's somebody just announced it and said it.

Couldn't find this list anywhere. And then suddenly it pops up on Wednesday night on the website.

And interestingly, I went on the website on Wednesday and you could still vote on there.

And then as far as I'm kind of 99% sure that was the case because I went on and I was able to do

things. I wasn't, I didn't actually submit anything. So I'm not sure whether it might have blocked

me before I submitted anything, but I could get onto the screen. And yeah. And then suddenly it

gets published late on a night and then you can't. And then the voting thing was turned off.

But it's all just a bit weird, isn't it? And we can get into some of the players which makes it

even more weird that it just seems odd and you can talk about recency biased with the likes of Peter

Reed at Martin and Andrew did talk about the fact that were they actually on the list? Or was it,

you know, you could add people onto the list and then could those votes rack up in the background

without people realizing it? It's just all being done a little bit strange for something that

started out so brilliantly and everyone that went, this is fantastic. And people were shelling out,

people were shelling out good money for this in terms of buying those things to go, buying their own

personal pavement stones or whatever to go on legends way. It's all a bit strange, isn't it, bomber?

It is. Yeah, because something that has been synonymous with the club over the last couple of

years is how good the fan engagement has been and how good we are at doing these sorts of things.

So when it was announced, you know, and it was and it still is an absolutely brilliant idea to get

to get another statue up there to have them face it, having something scored that's legends way,

having the welcome to Sunderland up there. As a concept, it's what all die hard Sunderland fans want.

It's absolutely fantastic. But you're right, the way in which it's been publicised,

the way in which it's been handled and then the way it was then the results were announced almost

feels like they've announced it, they've opened the voting and then no one's really bothered about

it since and then all of a sudden 10 minutes before the spurs games, someone's gone, oh shit,

let's have a quick look and see what those these votes are saying and they've not bothered to,

like you said, not bothered to close it down or anything like that. And I'm the same as you,

I spent a long while looking for that list knowing that we were going to talk about it today.

And as same as you, I've just found a random little article from yesterday afternoon

just popped up and it's not even a list of eat to find the names, I have to read that whole article

and then tick and then tick them off. Like you'd expect some sort of bullet pointed list of these

14 that they're coming in there. Now, if we're going to go into the players, let's get this out

the way early, there's 14 players there and a high-patchet run-on or isn't one of them,

isn't absolutely, isn't absolutely disgrace. You should put up, you should pay for one yourself and

put that name on it. Yeah, pay for when I put his name on it. But yeah, I mean, you could spend

all day and speak to 50 different people and get 50 different answers about who that 14 should

be. I don't think there's, you know, there's probably 10, 11 there that you'd say are pretty

nailed on and then you're just looking at maybe one or two others that people will have different

opinions on. Like all seriousness, I'm looking at that list and from my point of view, as a

Sandlin fan who started supporting Sandlin in the late 90s, I don't really see, I think that

they're all befitting of a place there. I know some of the more, like I said, the low cause or

some of the ones fans who've been supporting Sandlin a lot longer than I might have different

opinions. But if you were to ask me to list, you know, 14 club legends, probably that list

would probably be there or thereabouts. But yeah, in terms of how it's handled, it just feels like

they've announced it and then use that as a portal just to get people to pay 150 quid for a

stone really. Because that's a bit that they're pushing. It's not necessarily the vote. The vote

is almost like the bait to put people out there and then pushing. You go on, spend £150

on this stone to be next to Peter Reed stone and Jemaine DeFos stone and everything else.

So yeah, given how well the club have done those sorts of things over the last couple of years,

I would have expected something slightly more plain, I guess, in terms of its handling. But

as long as it happens and it's as good as the concept, I think we'll all be happy and we'll forget

that the voting was still open and how it was announced and stuff like that. But yeah, I don't know

if anyone else has got any opinions on the actual players. You probably have Chris. But yeah.

Well, I'm going to come on to Andrew next because I know he did speak about it because we had

some questions in for the Q&A, but Andrew now that because you were asking the same question

with Martin, you were like, well, this list was announced, but nothing's been said, nothing's

been published. And now it has. And I think Bummer kind of touched on the main point that a lot

of people are spending a lot of money. And it seems to me looking at the list, again, I've

got my Kelvin McKenzie tinfoil hat on here. But if people want players to put their

pay event store next to what a spend money to have their name next to, they've actually got

a big scattergun approach where they've got people for the younger ones, a Jemaine de Four,

or I want my store next to a Jemaine de Four, one, I want my next to a Queen, one, Philip.

They've almost tried to cater for all generations rather than looking at,

but again, it comes down to a vote. But it had to be surprised if it was a vote that had had

this clear distinction between all these generations. Yeah, Bummer used the word clean.

And I know where he's coming from, it all just seems a little peculiar. And it was a list of

40 odd nominations, all of which were players other than Bob Murray. So if you're going to include

non-playing figures, why weren't other non-playing figures on the short list? Peter Reed,

as you say, appears to have been like kind of come along behind the scenes as one of these nominees,

but there's no other managers. So it does it all just feels a little bit odd. And I have to be careful

because we don't know the full facts, but say the club would now do a launch event or a

dinner marking these people who've been voted in. Well, it's going to be a lot more popular

of Jemaine de Four when Jill Scott and the more recent names are there than with respect,

this isn't meaning the little them, a long distant relative of somebody whose involvement with

the club was a hundred years ago. So I wonder if the club are quite pleased that it's come out

in this way. Bummer again is right. You could have asked 50 people their opinions and we would

have all come back with different lists, but there's one or two names which didn't get through to

this final cut, which I think most people are surprised at. And yeah, what was a brilliant idea?

I was just ever so slightly being impacted by a few people just being puzzled. And the point

there, yeah, when Martin and I spoke the day before, at the time of recording, nothing had been

announced, which was peculiar. And I fully agree that the article now, it doesn't bullet point

it. It's an article where you've got to read the whole text to actually work out who the four

eight are, is if it's almost hiding in plain sight. But that article starts with a link to buying

your stone. And it ends with a link to buying a personalized stone. Whereas had it been me,

I might have made more of a song and dance about, hey, these are the 14 people who've been

elected by the fans. I might have made more of a song and dance about those names. It's almost

as if the club are a little bit aware that it's going to cause ruckians perhaps. And again,

it is difficult because we're talking, we're talking about legends, it's really tough conversation

because everyone's criteria is different. And all these people who are chosen are fantastic

people and fantastic ambassadors for Sunland. And it's a great list on its own. It's just quite a

little bit of an order list in the context of what it is. The other thing that strikes us as

well in the announcement is that, you know, it says manager Peter Reed earns his place after

guide in Sunland to historic London. No mention of Peter Reed comes onto the list, you know, because he

wasn't on the list or, you know, pit fans have demanded him on because, you know, he was, he was

in a mission from the list, but so many votes came in, you know, that meant he had to be in. It's

just the word and then everything, the phrase is really strange. Wait, it is. It's strange. And I

don't want to get too much into this, but domain to fall, for example, is included on the list,

despite the fact that quite a lot of fans were unhappy with the way left after a second spell.

And yet Bobby Gurney, the club's record goal scorer, isn't on. So this, but this bound to be

people thinking, well, that's a bit. I don't know. I wouldn't have predicted that, you know. But

yes, yeah. And talking about, actually, I've been to a couple of dudes. You might have been

the similar ones or the same ones, Andrew, but I've been to a dues where people have gotten

distant relatives of James Allen have come and gotten, you know, something on behalf of the club.

And actually, that's really poignant when that happens. It's actually quite emotional because

it might be the two generations later or whatever. And that family is still getting recognition for

what James Allen did by founding the club and all of that. So there is part of that.

Just to bring you in on it. And because I want, specifically, I mean, obviously,

have you say about the whole thing, but with your coverage of the losses, obviously,

Jill Scott's on there. Now, from my point of view, you know, I just feel like Jill Scott,

if you add an equivalent on the other side on the men's side, you might say, well, you would

have Jordan Anderson almost, because he played a few games and then went off from one European

Cups and almost one World Cups and European Championships captain of England and all that sort of stuff.

So for me, that would be an equivalent. Would that be fair? And there's maybe more

deserving players who played more games for the lesson? Totally agree. No, totally agree. I think

that's a very, very fair assessment. And for me, you know, as much as I like Jill Scott,

I think she's had a wonderful football career and paved a very successful career outside of football

since she's retired. I mean, absolutely brilliant. But she wouldn't be, she wouldn't be my top 10

to be totally honest with you. And again, that's not being sustained. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

speaking any, you know, like I say, I'm not, it's no disrespect at all to Scott, because you have

better records and she's a lovely, lovely person. But she wouldn't be, she wouldn't be anywhere

near it for me. There's just so many players where you've seen them come through, come through the

door and done well. I mean, the first one. Sorry, just quickly. But actually, you've mentioned

how really good person Jill Scott is. And I imagine, and actually, I've never met her but I've

seen her on the TV and what you've just said, she might be the first person to go, actually,

there's more deserving people than me. I think if you asked her, she would.

Honestly, I really, I think if anyone asked her in a, in a, you know, in a quarter of a day,

and she'd just say, look like what do you think if she said, yeah, I'm very honest because she's

just, she's a son-in-law, son-in-fan, very, very honest in them and that. I put the respect

your mother's having. You know, and I do think there is, I mean, I think what could have happened

with that was when the slip, when the list got announced, a full, I think there was only two or

three. I can't remember. I know Steph Barlin was on there. But a big glare in Mr. May,

Keva Ramshaw. So, like, you know, just a little bit of extra Keva Ramshaw was, was six days when

she signed for us. She's, son-in-law, son-in-law, son-in-fan, loves the club. 16-year-olds, we were like,

you know, in the, what the equipment is, the WSL. You know, one thing, everything like that.

And then Ella Shaw decided, he didn't want to fund any money at the last as any more.

They got to water two lakes and everyone left. This is your best mage. You know, you know, you,

you know, the Lucy bronzes this world. All the players pretty much left. Bar Keva Ramshaw,

who steered and got office, got office from a lot of, lots of clubs, you know, foreign clubs

every now and then. I could have, I could have had a very successful career, could have been a

lioness, probably should have been a lioness and decided to stay with son-in-law because she wanted

to get the club back to where we belong. And her career is obviously had to be short due to

injuries, which is like, she's got an injured but she for me is, we call like, you know,

you call like, you look one eye and say, Mr. Son and she for me is Mr. Son and then always

will be in my eyes. So for me, just to have her on the long list would have been there. I would

have had her on there. The good approach, like I say, was a good approach, a woman's from which

I'm totally with. And I totally think it's a brilliant idea to have, to have a last on there.

You've got even just a little bit of, a little bit of history, a little bit of, like, you know,

knowledge would say, he's got to be top of the list. Her or Steph Bannon should definitely be

on there. And I think Jill Scott had a great, like I say, I'm not saying anything bad about Jill Scott

at all. Like to say, a wonderful person's had a wonderful football career, but it only started

at Sonland. She didn't do much at Sonland. It was, you know, you further on a career where she

made an aim for herself. So it is one of these, like, I say, but I think just a little bit,

even if, even if the club had went, you know, look like, well, last, well, last, the bands of

the last, who do you want on there? You know, and I think the vast majority of us would have

went to your arm show. So that's just, that's just my opinion on it. But her or Bannon definitely,

because Bannon obviously was the captain when we won everything. She was a brilliant captain as

well. So I guess the thing we got to remember is that this, it is for the fans, but it is also

primarily, primarily, you know, a consumer function. You know, it's a, it's a sales function,

that's designed to bring in revenue for the club. So I think just coming back to what we said

right at the start, it feels like those individuals have been chosen for their publicity and their

popularity, rather than genuinely their club legend status, because as you said, and like,

geofantastic player, great person, Sonland last, but, but people know her primarily through

what she did for England and what she did after Sonland. But I think if you, if you to ask 90%

of people, you aren't fans of the women's club, but are possibly fans of the, of the men's team,

the time not fans of the women's team, but fans of the men's team to ask a, ask to name a

female Sonland footballer. I think probably three quarters of them would come up with Jill Scott

for that, for that reason. So for commercial purposes, I think that's, it may have been manufactured

a little bit, because you're right, I think there's, there's more longstanding, more appearances,

more goals, more effect on the team, more players who've been able to achieve that than Jill has.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good point. You've made, with me a distinct about the international

fans there, the weekend. I think if you go on and they look at, they look at, you know, look at

that, legends here and see it, you know, say, for instance, key rancher, they get one on the

one. I don't know who she is, but everyone will know who Jill Scott is, not as much for a football

at Sonland, but you know, the fact like obviously your England career,

made a, yeah, yeah, made a huge, huge impact, you know, in public life. Yeah, yeah, it was

stuff like that. It's probably the same with the Jimmy and the Four think, because I'm,

I'm in equipment that probably don't think Jimmy and the Four would be on there for me,

but you'll look at what he did at the club with the Bradley Larrerie Foundation with everything

like I was what he's done since. You're probably going to think, you know, for people who were

visiting for the first time, go, yeah, he did a wonderful job with it, with a young kid who,

you know, who I can't say. So you can kind of understand that. The Bob Mary thing as well,

the Bob Mary thing, again, for me, as a fan, I wouldn't have him there. I really wouldn't,

but exactly, remember, I remember the good times to Bob Mary, but Christ, I remember the bad times

when we were all dishes out of the red cards that broke apart. I can totally remember all that

stuff, but you look at what he's wrote with what the stadium's there for, and you look at, like,

I say, the fan coming for the first time at this football club, you know, we're going to,

we're going to have that. We're going to have fans who are going to come to something now.

We're going to have fans from, you know, outside of Europe, outside of anywhere, we're going

to come and watch us. And you look at that thing, well, Bob Mary's there because he was the one

who built the stadium base, even though that's fair enough, so I can understand that kind of,

that logic, but had the just rent, this is it was going to be a knock put this out with

a fund for it. I don't think we're having this argument. Yeah, but see that that point annoys me

slightly. I'll bring you in a minute and do that. That point annoys me slightly because I think

if the James Allens and the Charlie Brookings and the Jimmy Thorps were there and people come

supporting them for far around, don't necessarily know much about the history. It makes them have a

look and it makes them find out about these people and why they're legends. So that that that

point, you know, why, you know, people recognize them. I think, well, tough, if they're the legends,

they're supporting the club and, you know, they maybe don't know that piece about the history

to see the name Jimmy Thorpo, or whatever it is, James Allens, they find out about the history.

Go on, Andrew. Couldn't agree more on that point that yeah, we've got a great history to be proud of.

So let's remember it. Let's celebrate it. I just wanted to quickly say, I'm to

spoke really well about Kira Ramshorn. I'm a bit annoyed with myself that when we first

Martin, myself and Kelvin recorded a part about the shortlist. I don't know why I had like a

mind blank and Kira's name didn't pop up. But just touching on something we spoke about before,

the new investment that's come into the women's team, if they wanted a very quick win and a show

that they're here to be part of the club and drive the club forward, they could get a lot of

fans on board by doing something to recognize Kira Ramshorn. I know she's still at the club in

the background, or she was until very recently. But yeah, if you want to make a statement,

she is definitely deserving of something, I would say. It could all turn out that this was in

fact down to the votes by the people, because we've got plenty of examples of how that turns out

really well when we'll put it out to the votes of the people. Yes, exactly, just to name

but one, there's one elephant in the room there. But anyway, let's move on. Two things to put on

people's radars out there as well in terms of voting, which as we've said goes so well. The vote

for play of the season is open on the Sunland website as well, young player and all of that sort of

stuff, so people can have their vote on that. Also, on people's radars as well, there's a

searchable site now for the Wall of Fame, the bricks at the stadium are light. If people can now go

and have a look at where their brick is and who's on panels and all that sort of stuff they can do

look up. I haven't actually gone on, but people have made enough comments to know it's a brilliant thing

and well done for the people who set that up. But moving on to some links, and I'm going to start

with you, bomber on this, because this one looks like it's got a little bit behind it, Miguel Delaney,

who's reputable and has getting a few things right, has he's pushed the link between Brian

Robby and Bayern Munich, and there's been no talk of value or anything like that, and of course he's

he's pushing to get into the Dutch squad this summer, which could then elevate his price tag even more,

but but this one I kind of brushed it away at the start with, but once I've seen where these links

have come from, I'm kind of thinking this might have some truth to it. Yeah, I think it's been

being reported from multiple sources now, and as you said, Chris, some reputable sources also

to suggest that this might actually have legs. So the last I've seen of it is that the report

that I've seen says that we're almost resigned to losing him, but we'll demand a record

transfer fee. So I think our, what's our record income in? It's not still down, Ben, is it?

20, 24. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not going to be an insignificant amount of money, especially

considering we're going to want to turn a profit on him, and I think we paid what 20 million

for him in the summer. So I think it's going to be a double your money, kind of deal if Bayern

seriously wants him, and we're willing to let him go. I'd want us to keep hold of him, but

I think as the season's gone on, I've been a little bit more pragmatic in terms of

falling in love with players and not wanting him to leave, etc.

But yeah, it does seem that this one has legs, and I don't think I would, if he did go,

it would be disappointing, but I'd also be excited to see who we replace him with, because like I

said, if the suggestion is it's going to take a lot of money for Bayern Munich to prize him away

from us, then what we do with that is quite exciting. I mean, I was going to say whether he wants to

go or not is another question, but I guess if someone like Bayern Munich comes along and says

they're interested in you, you take notice. I guess there's another question as to whether he

wants to play second-footed or tarry Kane for another season or two, but he doesn't need to move

to Bayern Munich to get into the national team, because he's already there, he'll be at the

World Cup, I'm assuming. Well, in fact, just quickly on that, he's formed with Sun and has pushed

him back into the record. Well, exactly. I mean, I know that there are no real low altars in football

but if there were, then you could make that argument to say, well, it's the opportunity that we've

given you that's got you back into the team and actually sending you to a World Cup. So we might

cash that in, that loyalty in, enough to fend Bayern off, but I think there's a lot of sources

reporting it. There's a couple of well thought of sources reporting it, so there must be legs in it.

I think it would just come down to whether Bayern Munich can prepare to pay what we would want

to receive for him and whether or not probably wants to force a move or not. But yeah, if it is

one that happens, it'll be disappointing, but also exciting to see what we do with that money.

I'd be much more disappointed if one of those sentiment fielders were to go, one of our centrebacks

were to go. Yeah, and six goals in 25 appearances, but it brings so much more to the table than just

goals. But just to build on some of Bombers comments there, and you know, talking about the potential

fee there and we'll come on to the Robin Roof's links with Chelsea as well. That was something the

reported fees or something around 60 million or something like that, but he did poo poo it more

over the last week or so he did say it might not be the right time and all that. Maybe just saying

the right things, who knows what the future holds in the summer. But I think one of the overriding

points that Bomber touched on, and it'd be good to get your input on Robby and Roof's. But for me,

I think, and we've got to look at it this way because we're a developing club, you know, like the

Brighton were a few years ago, or still are really. But if we buy a player for 20 and sell him for 80,

it's an opportunity because no doubt we've got a short list of, you know, a number of players

in the 20 to 30 million bracket, maybe pushing up as we get into our second season, maybe going

up to 40 million who knows. But in that bracket where, you know, we sell someone for 80, we buy

someone for 20 or 30 and this slot in. But we seem like we're prepared for that. And it's interesting

because I think I've mentioned this before. But the way we work now, I've saw the, if you watch the

Arsenal documentary on Prime, and I think the Spurs documentary on Prime, they cover the

January transfer window. And it's really interesting because the sporting directors at both clubs during

the January transfer window, both say, God, I hate this transfer window. I absolutely hate it.

And I'm thinking, it's your job, right, to recruit players and get rid of players. You've got two

opportunities in a year and you hear one of them. I mean, it just sounds absolutely ridiculous,

but it seems like the way we're run that every player who leaves, they don't look at it as, oh, no,

we've lost one of our best players. The club looking at it as an opportunity, right, we've

taken in an investment of 80, we spend 20 or 30. And okay, some of them might not work out perfectly,

but at our level, we've got to accept that we can't hold on to these players unless, you know,

we create this atmosphere where players just absolutely love it and think the grass isn't always

green there. But then, talk about greener, they might get double triple what they're paid at some

of which is going to be huge money that is going to see them set for life. So you can't really blame

them. But yeah, just, there's a lot going into these links, isn't there? And

100%. 100%. Just, I totally agree what bomber said about Brobi. I think it's,

I think that just got has to show how well we've done as a club this season,

not by a minute. Look at the sun and player. I've got to be honest, like the amount of players

they could have and they've looked at Brian Robby and thought, I would, this is did someone

have been in and show us the part of me. It just goes to show us how well he's done as well,

that he's been outstanding. But I think kind of in just me being, kind of, I've had it by a

minute, one to Brian Robby, they'll get him. It's symbol as, you know what I mean, they're a huge

club. You know, I think we need to do right by by him and right by us by saying we're not going

to accept stupid money, even if it's a one if, you know, I hear one of you, you're looking at

and think, this is, this is me, don't know who said before, it's me, set for life. I go up at

one point, I really can't, we'll leave. And I'll be number one here and, you know, could win

everything that there is to win. So that's fair enough. But again, for me, it just goes to show

as well how, how, how well we can manage that. Look up, what we're doing. And the day after

we, the day after we got promoted, isn't this league? We saw Joe Bellingham, that way he's

our best player, we're starting, you know, but looking, we brought him, you know, like Deara

Sidiqi, who being outstanding, you know, being absolutely brilliant this season, you know, like

we look on Sunday, Deara and Sidiqi were outstanding for us. And, you know, it gives us that kind of,

they'll know who the one assigned this transfer window and the January transfer window.

And I would say arguably in a year's time, and they'll have, they'll have lists, they'll have

like players on the, on the doors and everything like that. And it just, for me now, because of

how successful it has been in the last couple of years, I'm kind of in the CM kind of,

illness, bomberwear, I don't attach to myself to these players as much now. You know,

Alan Bryan, Bobby DeBitts, I do, he's suddenly played, wears the badges, I knew that, but I don't think

that, like it doesn't affect us as much now as what it did, maybe four or five years ago, when we're,

you know, maybe not really one, but when we're last in the Premier League, when we're

saddened, see Deara embed the John Henderson's of as well, John Pickford's, it did affect us as

much of every now and say, like, I know that we've got this network and a place that we're going to

get to, like someone as good. The same with Ross, and I don't think Rousseau go, I think Rousseau

stay, because I think if he's looking at, you've got to look at stability, if I, for me, if I'm

a goalkeeper and looking at how stable we are as a club, how well he's done here, you know,

kept another clean sheet on Sunday, but how, what is love there? Going to a Chelsea team,

that's more likely going to have a new manager in next season, that may not be where they want

to be. There's so many ins and outs at Chelsea, I think he's probably better off staying

here for another year, and maybe he thinks that as well, that's why maybe he's put the

Kai Bosch on a little bit, but not, listen, like in about two or three years time, we'll be talking

about this with a new sign that we've made, probably next year, you know, it's crazy, but I'm

fully, I'm fully comfortable with it, and then our bombers got his hand up, so we'll, we'll

say yeah, I was just going to, I was just going to, I didn't want to cut across your hand,

like it, but it's, it's very much, but for us now, it's, enjoy these players when they're here,

love them when they're here, but don't hate on them or be too disappointed when they're gone,

and I think as a fan base, we're slowly coming rain to that, because, you know, because we have

been successful the last couple of seasons, we've kind of accepted that a bit more. When we were,

you know, struggling around in the premiership and Darren Bent was, was, you know, the only good

thing about our team, potentially in terms of being a, you know, a talisman or the person that we

all look to, and Jordan Pickford was, you know, one of our own in the person that we all look to,

we don't have that anymore. There's like five, six, seven players who everybody loves,

but there isn't that one player that we all cling to and pin our hopes on and pin our

adoration for. So you, you could go through that team today from the Spurs game, you know,

Ruth Jekker, Sadiq, Luca Nahain, Brobi, like there's so many players that we love now. So losing one

of them, or we just, it doesn't have quite so big as an impact, because we've got all these

other players still here that we love and we love to support. And just to, just very quickly,

it was in, I'm glad that you brought up Joe Bellingham, and because that just epitomises our strategy

and how we should be trusting the club. But if they decide that 40 millions of price for Brian

Brobi, buy and do it, and we decide to do it, and to trust that we'll, we'll bring in somebody who

is just as effective as, as Brian Brobi, because like you said, the day after we got promoted,

Joe Bellingham's like the door. We're all up in arms saying, okay, we're one of our best players,

one of our brightest prospects. And like you said, we've come, we've used that money and

spent a bit more, but broad intensive purposes, we've used that money, brought in Sadiqy and D'ara,

let Joe Bellingham go, and he's struggled at Dortmund. So if he's struggling at Dortmund,

it stands to reason that he probably wouldn't, would have struggled if we'd tried to throw him

into the Premier League also, whereas we picked up two other players who've come and done it

seamlessly. So I think we just need to trust what the club are doing. I think I've said it a

few times on a few podcasts. They've got more than enough money in the bank, so to speak, in terms

of us trusting what they're doing. Yeah, me and Andrew just to add to that list, we've gone through

Brobi to buy Munich, we've gone through Robin Roof to Chelsea, the other one that's come out

in the last few days has been Sadiqy, who's been linked to Manchester United Arsenal Chelsea,

and Bizarre Lee Spurs, so he might fancy a promotion battle next season, who knows, but

but yeah, and again, all these links are coming out, and I think we're going to, I remember this

time last year, we were having week after week after week of pods, just going, where's Spellingham

going to end up? He's been linked to Manchester United, he's been linked to Dortmund, he's been

linked here, and we were going, where's he, do we want him to stay? But I think, and you know,

Anton bomber of both kind of touched on it, but actually, I think this is what the club relies on,

and he's going to rely on, we're going to have to rely on players, Leven, and the whole thing

of the way that we have to do things is you look at the Bellingham transfer, like Bomberman

and Bombers just said, Bellingham left for what was a 30 odd million, almost 40 million,

we're bringing Sadeegi for almost half that, who is arguably a better player.

That's how you do business, so if you sell Brobby for 80 million, you bring in a striker who fits

your side, that's a little bit better, hopefully, but for half the price, and again, at our level,

that's how you've got to operate, and the club are almost banking on making a profit out of these

players, so it's, you know, we can't be too down if these players do leave.

Of course not, this is how it has to be, this is how a club can come from the championship

and break them old and establish themselves in the Premier League, all the clubs that have

done it recently, relatively recently, so Brighton, Brentford, there's another club on our

card, think, but they do a similar thing about, yes, yes, Bournemouth, they do it by trading

up, I fully take the points, the lads have made about how it's important that we don't fall in

love with, with players in the same way we used to, and we used to panic if a player went because

it would be a case of like, oh, we've stumbled across a good player here, if they sell, if they're

sold, we can't replace them, but it's part of the design, and it's, if selling a player who's

popular is the thing that keeps us going on this trajectory, we can all cope with that,

it might be Cediggy, it might be roofs, we don't know who it'll be, but the evidence is there that

will cope, the club is stable and can afford to lose a player and it not be a death now, and also

it's not just the players who are being linked, I've already seen clubs are like in the look of

Gisalfi, so it's going to be a tough summer and it's going to be worrying, we just need to keep

our cool, and it's better than the alternative, it's much nicer hub and players who Brian, Brian,

Brian, Brian Munich, that's the headlight went, that's the headlight went, Brian, Bobby moves to

Bay in Munich, bloody hell, I'm not sure about that, but it's a lot better, hub and players that

that are being linked with the top clubs than players we can't, we can't get rid of for love

nor money, so I was just going to have to deal with it. It was interesting when Bomber said,

two, trying to think of who our record sale is, and I was trying to think actually there might be

a record for us paying a player to leave, which is probably that record out there somewhere,

but Bomber, just very quickly, we are kind of pushed for time at the moment, a couple of things

to get through, but there has been a link for an income and play, our potential income and play,

apparently ourselves and Everton are looking at Abdul Fatawi from Leicester City, a winger that was

linked back in the summer, that seems to have been revived 22 years old, but Leicester is struggling,

potentially going into league one, I'd be surprised, I think we've maybe moved up a level in

terms of the players, we're maybe tracking from last summer, so I'm not sure whether this is

just a lazy one. Yeah, I was going to say it's a toss up as to whether it's a lazy bit of journalism

and just someone's gone back and looked at who we were in the summer and then gone back and looked

at players that might be looking to leave their club. I mean, it stands to reason that he's only

22, it stands to reason that we've continued to have a look at him and think that there's a player

there that in a year or two could become a fully fledged Premier League player that's performing

at the highest level, like I said before Chris, there's more than enough credit in the bank for the club

to, if they decide that we do want to bring him in, that there's a talent there, you just look at

what we've done, what like, there's like a towelbie, except I know a towelbie is in a Moroccan

international, but still when he came in, nobody had really heard of him, and then we've got players

like Jocelyn who, again, haven't really, no one's really heard of him, Angulo, no one's really

heard of him, really rated him. That would be my only question is he's a, you know, he's a

winger for all, a right winger predominantly, and we seem to have loaded ourselves up on

wingers, albeit some of them are injured. So yeah, I'm not sure, maybe if we lose one or two,

but then if you think about it, we've, we've still got Troyora, we've got towelbie, we've got

Lafay, we can play on it on either side, Ric seems to be favoured out on that right hand side,

rather than a central role now, we've got Jocelyn, we've got Who Have I Missed, Angulo,

we've got one thing we're not sure of at the minute is wingers, and we've still got a dinger

to come back in as well if we can't, you know, ship him off on a permanent basis. So yeah,

it's not one that I'm paying too much mind to at the moment, and I'll be honest, I don't really

have an opinion on him as a player because I don't really know a lot about him, other than, you know,

he scored a fair, a decent return of goals for a wide player in a struggling lester team.

Well, moving on, and the under 21s were in action in the Premier League Cup semi-final on Wednesday

night against Blackburn Rovers. They wouldn't fall too, and Andy put the players ratings on the website,

but you were there when you're at? I was, Andrew was there as well, I've seen him on his way out,

but he didn't hear his shouties, he's near. He thought it was just one of his screaming fans.

It wouldn't have been, yeah, it'd be fair, it'd be fair, he has not. But I, to be honest,

I wasn't going to go like yesterday, but me, because once I heard fans say it was a statement,

I got on, and you know, I was already at the table, and it was the first half was definitely more

exciting than the second half. You know, we went one-nil down in about three minutes,

put it to put with defensive, put it away from both goals, it was put with offensively good.

When to start a play, and it's only the second or third time, I've watched them this year,

and when to start a play, and they have got the two plays and made stuff, I will say like,

they've got a couple of young ones, I think they've got something to follow. I do like

Jack Winninger, I think he's very good. I think he's very, very good, and everyone

knows I have a big fan of Fingard Gashin, I just can't pronounce his name properly.

I thought he was all here. I thought the other Jones,

is it Jaden Jones, Andrew? You've just sent me fear of the number four?

There's Jaden Jones in midfield. Let's get this right. And Jensen Jones was the

Winger in the Fallback. Yeah, I like you two. We're always trying to keep up with the Joneses.

I liked you, and I liked young winner-guer. The rest, as the first time I've seen Abdelay,

I wasn't too impressed with him. I told him he's the Brian Brobby replacement long-term

if we does go to buy a musical. But no, I was like, you see, it was a really, really

entertaining game. I thought, like I said, the third he deserved to get through ended up four,

two. It was like three, two after about 20 minutes or something. It was like a crazy start,

like, yeah. It was that it was an entertaining game, and I think he played Burnley now in the

final. So I don't know where it's going to be. I don't think it's being announced yet,

but if it's at the stadium, I thoroughly recommend people to go along. It was an entertaining game.

Yeah, good stuff. And to see us out, the last one, Andrew. We've got another initiative

from the club coming up. We've got Made in Sunderland Week coming up, and the club

have done a few of these already this season, but just to read a little bit about the announcement.

It said Sunday F.C. It's proud to announce the launch of its first ever Made in Sunderland Week.

In partnership with the University of Sunderland, Made in Sunderland will be a week long celebration

of the stories, people and businesses and culture that make our city great. Taking place for

Monday, the 20th of April under the lights, the stadium, a light the week will be highlighted when

the black hats face, not in forest on Friday, the 24th of April, following the success of club

wide initiatives, including Heroes Week and Founders Week. Made in Sunderland will place a spotlight

on the city's identity, creativity, innovation and pride both on and off the pitch. So it says

supporters can also look forward to a matchday experience designed to celebrate the city.

And every turn with local voices, local talent and local creativity woven throughout the occasion.

So it sounds like the club are doing it again, but it's funny because actually

this was just in the last week of different Bruce's time at the club. So I think

it was maybe pushing these things. I'll be interesting to see if these things carry on and

how much the club do these things, but it's been one of the characteristics of this season.

I think it's been fantastic.

It has. And if you would go to AI and say create an event that would interest Andrew, it would

be that. It's just, it's, I don't even know what any of the events are yet. It's just got a

load of words that I just looked to see, you know, Sunderland culture and business and people and

identity and all of that. When I went to the under 21's yesterday, I saw they've started making

efforts to put the signage up at the back of the roll grand. And I think that's part of this week.

I think ahead of the forest game, they're going to unveil the welcome to Sunderland signage,

although how you unveil a sign that we've all seen before. I don't quite know. But I,

it, we said before, the club need to make games special. The club need to do something to keep

fans engaged. And this looks to be another part of it. And I hope it is something we continue to do

when David Bruce has, has moved on. It's, I just hook it into my veins. Love, love this type of

thing. I'm a sucker for this type of thing. Yeah, that's brilliant. Well, look, as I said, we'll

push for time. So I think that wraps us up. So it just leads me to say thank you very much to

Bommer, Andrew and Anne. Thank you very much, gentlemen. And thank you again for listening. Look,

we're going to have loads of build up towards the, the Estonville game. We'll start ramping that up

now because we'll have loads on the Ruggera poll website. And of course, we'll have pods every day

leading up to it as usual. So look out for all of that. Look for us. Bye for now.

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