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Welcome on in. This is the road wire fantasy football podcast. I'm your host, John McKekney. That is Mario Puig. A lot to get to on this episode free agency just days away. So we're going to, of course, get our takes on the upcoming free agent class and the frenzy that is due to us sometime early next week.

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Now that we're into March and again a lot of things are going to change next week a lot of things have already changed with the results of the combine rolling in but I want to kind of focus first on the free agency detail.

So some guys whose values are kind of twisting in the in the wind right now I think Kenneth Walker to me really kind of stands out because he's such a important piece of the fantasy puzzle that this coming season had such an incredible run.

During the playoffs that this past year and obviously Super Bowl MVP now it looks like he's going to test the market as you know he he should and you know whether or not that's a that's a great idea for the Seahawks that that's almost like a topic for for a whole other show and entirely you know this is actually Arbanae suffering his knee injury during the post season as well as what are they going to do without Kenneth Walker.

But it seems like he's he's going out there there's going to be a lot of teams that are in need of a free agent running back I think that that's compounded by the fact that maybe this isn't the best rookie running back class incoming so I think the free agents probably.

You know felt felt good about the results of last weekend's combine but there's also a team that I saw rumored that would really be a fly in the ointment for us in the in the fantasy community that would be the New York Giants New York football Giants apparently having some linkage to Kenneth Walker so right now walkers kind of like a mid third round guy I think when we were unpacking my draft last week Mario he would he actually slid a little bit past ADP.

And I was before they these rumors started flying a little bit but what's your take on Walker right now and and you know if he were to to go somewhere like the Giants where we already have a guy that you know we rank as it as a top 50 player and came scataboo you know what would that do to to the respective values there.

That's a tough one I think especially because of scatabos in scatabos injury I honestly haven't really engaged the subject since it happened because it was just to

disheartening traumatizing to think about so I kind of tried to bury it in my mind and I guess I'd still kind of like to do that.

I'd like to just kind of assume a good case scenario some sort for scataboo but I don't really know that that was that was a really bad injury.

So perhaps some amount of the Giants' potential interest in Kenneth Walker is is a little bit acknowledging concern you know maybe even something worse than concern for scataboo I'd like to believe though that they're instead just sort of saying we need to make it a extreme strength position.

But it would be an extreme strength to have Tyrone Tracy as your third running back in my opinion I think scataboo at once is clearly better than Tyrone Tracy and Tyrone Tracy is probably at the very least a really good running back to maybe a little bit overqualified as one so I think you'd certainly be overqualified as a running back three.

Perhaps a scenario where Walker signs with the Giants is one where they trade Tracy I don't really know I just think it would be a lot at one position.

And therefore there's there's just kind of a lot of ways this could break especially depending on how scataboo's recovery goes because in my opinion if scataboo is fully healthy again he's a the kind of problem Walker can't make go away to the point that I'm not convinced Walker is a better player than scataboo if scataboo is fully healthy.

And I really doubt I'm going to unfortunately for me I doubted me to draft much kind of Walker wherever he goes in free agency because at these 80 p's I think it's just too high I think he's overrated based on one game that people there was like a motivated reasoning going into the Super Bowl and a lot of the fantasy industry because people were whining all year about like they should give the button certain places especially because they told they touted him a lot and they drafted him a lot themselves.

This is full crap they got to put X sharpening on the bench he's one of the most inefficient runners in the league no he isn't you just don't understand football and you're trying not to understand it because your reasoning is motivated you're trying to see things a certain way and those people have a lot of media influence and I think permeated the public consciousness enough that it's showing up in that ADP you mentioned to me Kenneth Walker's a thought beginning in the fifth round in the in the third I just feel like I can find something better.

Yeah in the third round you know so your opportunity cost is basically like you know him versus like a Bucky Irving who you know that I think I saw something where Sean Tucker is not going to be tendered so yeah I'm not keeping a shot white either so I like Bucky Irving better as a value for those reasons but for Bucky's sake they should not they should not try to give him 350 carries or whatever it is they're thinking of.

No so all the sudden my one of my like end game darlings of Sean Tucker that that certainly kind of goes out the window a little bit because I thought him as like an RB to for Tampa behind Bucky Irving would have been like a real kind of like hidden nice value that you could have gotten pretty late in your drafts now that doesn't seem to be the case but.

But other third round running backs in in that in that running you got Josh Jacobs you got Breeze Hall who looks like he's going to be returning to the the Jets and I'll take Breeze over Kenneth Walker he's a better player than him and then yeah sorry I do agree with that I've never been like the biggest Ken Walker guy either I've motivated at a lot of sharpening that this past year Travis ETN I think is is the other kind of primo.

Free agent to be running back so your thoughts on him and you know what I think there's been some linkage between him and in the chief sit it sounds like a little bit if he doesn't go back to Jacksonville so if you were to go to KC where would that in your mind you know kind of shift ETNs you know draftable slot he right now he's going to tail end of the third early fourth round that also sounds a little.

Expensive for ETN in my opinion but I'm I'm willing to pay more for ETN than I am Kenneth Walker so if I can get ETN cheaper generally then I can get Kenneth Walker I find it an acceptable purchase or at least a preferable one to the to the first option and I wonder if it's I don't know what to expect for where ETN's ADP might go from here I guess if he signed with the chiefs it would probably get a lot higher wouldn't it you'd probably push for like the second round or something.

And I don't know if I like that either in part because I don't actually have the faith in the chiefs that I used to you know by default before I would be like the place where Damien Williams had 500 yards and two playoff games or whatever is like yeah that ETN on that team would go completely insane ETN on that chiefs team would run for 2000 yards but in today's chiefs reality we have my home is coming off the ACL the whole the whole thing might have been figured out.

You know like whatever Andy Reed whatever code he cracked that that initially helped spark this this this dynasty this little dynasty that the chiefs had it seems like the tricks don't work anymore and while I won't bet against my homes in the long term I still without flinching will pick him as the top quarterback in the league it's not a thought to me the chiefs at the very least it seems like they have things they need to figure out.

And I worry that any reads reaching the chiefs version of the end days of his Philadelphia 10 year where it's like you're kind of just screwing up enough that we're going to have to actually get rid of you at some points and it any read is not the best coach ever he can get there and if the chiefs have another year of having to figure things out I don't know that it would be that much different of a circumstance for ETN then if he had stayed in Jacksonville I'd like to think it would be and I guess the offensive line would be better I still don't think the

Jacksonville offensive line is that great especially at the interior so the chiefs offensive line was a kind of a mess last year but they did have some injuries and they were waiting on some prospects to kind of come of age so I guess yeah the chiefs would be a better situation it's just I'm not I'm not getting my hopes up for like the Damian Williams thing even though I I absolutely would if if the chiefs with the same team they were four years ago yeah it feels like you know there was a stretch right

but for for the Patriots where they they went almost 10 years without winning this rule but they made obviously made the

Super Bowl a couple times in that span in 07 and and 2011 and we're you know kind of routinely making deep playoff runs but there there was like a you know I think when you're talking about the chiefs

the only real like modern comparison what would be like you know how how close are they track into it to what the Patriots were able to do in their heyday with with Brady and Bella check and there was sort of a reconfiguring of things

during that period between their their Super Bowl wins and I wonder if the chiefs are going to be able to navigate that with the same level of competency that the Patriots were you know 10 plus years ago

and I'm a little bit skeptical on on that because I feel more so that read is maybe a little bit running out of gas more so than than you know say Bella check was at that stage not say that Bella check isn't fully out of gas right now

but that's a that's a totally different story but yeah so I mean if ETN were to go to the chiefs I think there would still be that market reaction where you know he he all the sudden cracks probably like the top 25 if not the top 30 as far as the draft kings ADP is concerned and that gets a little bit tricky but then you know there's also the this dynamic right now

I think it's a little bit of a reaction to to the way that last year went whereas just such a golden year to invest early and running back and there are so many landmines at at either receiver or even at tight end a little bit in the in the case of hours even though he wasn't even that bad all told he was still a top 10 tight end but

you know running back was safe for last year so running back is therefore getting pushed up in the market this year and and so like you run into a situation where even if we kind of a reshuffling of the deck of like the packing order these running backs there's still that sort of cliff that I that I'm identifying

once you get past ETN because then you get down to like javante Williams in the mid-fourth and then you've got scataboo who again we have these lingering concerns with not just injury but also if the if the giants kind of turn that into more of a committee if they do add Kenneth Walker and then you've got R.J. Harvey who apparently seems to be at a little bit of risk of getting some serious competition in that Denver backfield and quinchon juttkins who's also coming off of a pretty rough injury late in the season as well so it's not a great year to be like

I'm just going to load I'm going to play bully ball with receivers and in tight end in the early part and then just you know attack the the running back position with volume because you you're running out of guys with that sort of like easy projection for you know 250 plus carries yeah and I think it as much as you can do the thing where you say this guy in round three or four is a better value than this guy at the same position and whatever four five or six at running back

you might you might not want to try to pick choose between the two as much as a plan on taking both so in this case like I like R.J. Harvey despite those concerns like at that price in draftings is ppr scoring I think R.J. Harvey in the fifth round pretty much cannot hurt you

even like no matter who they add but that's not a good reason to also fade the the entirety of the two rounds before it because I I'd rather have at least two if not three you know

flex or better running back to or better type running backs um that then trying to see how there's always like the hero running back strategies your running back strategies those are those are valid of course but uh as a general median range approach I would I would rather not uh try to go so thin at running back

no so I want to I want to be leaving probably like at least the first four rounds with with two running backs um if I can if I can slip one of these other guys in but again that the problem the tension in the market right now is such that you know a lot of these

running backs that that are sure fire things they're the price is full right now it's it's third round or earlier in pretty much all their cases and then you're you're

getting a little a little bit more speculative um the further down that that you go so yeah I guess I like ETN and and Harvey kind of a little bit more than like uh walker Harvey as a as a tandem there but something like that I I I

I should probably prepare to pay those types of prices as opposed so like you said like the fifth round type version last years like those days are just kind of gone

yeah so that that sort of our our meta analysis of the uh of the running back market right now is as free agency uh bears down on us I guess last question before before we move on like if you're drafting this weekend are

and you were kind of like spacking on on these guys of weight are you trying to get ETN at the current price now or you're gonna gonna wait and you know say I think I know your answer on on Kenneth walker

um but you know like how with with like those potential free agent dominoes um are these guys that are twisting in the wind a little bit more so guys that you're just gonna wait for the dust to settle on or try to attack aggressively in these next couple days before we see the movement a guy like ETN I think it makes sense to go now just because I

assuming we were reasoning through it correctly I do think there's a good basis to suspect he'll push for that 25 if not 18 overall kind of range if he signs with the chiefs so

uh and on the other hand it almost doesn't matter if ETN signs with a non chiefs team it's not as if he's gonna get much cheaper than the late third or the early fourth anyway he might he might get expensive to if he goes to some other team so uh ETN I like

uh walker in the third sounds maxed out to me I could be wrong if as much as I think that Kenneth walker's pretty clearly overrated um I think if he goes to a certain place that dictates a certain workload then of course then it's like it doesn't even really matter how good he is if you're if you're pushing 300 carries if you're gonna get uh 50 or 60 catches your worth a first round pick and fantasy almost certainly and so if he ends up on some team that gives him that level of workload then I would end up wishing

I had taken Kenneth walker in the third but if if he ends up going to some team that's saying that that comes out and says it's almost expressly we're gonna do with the Seahawks did we this is our exact sharpening over here this guys are exact sharpening like that comes at then walker might slip a little bit from his current price because there's a lot of fan fiction right now in the meantime uh proliferating yeah I think that where he's getting drafted right now like the what the market is saying is is that he's going to sign somewhere where he's like the runaway RB one and you know

again if he goes somewhere like the giants that is it's definitely not the case and therefore um you know I think it might be a little bit better to to wait on on uh if you're going to draft walker if you're taking him right now you're likely taking him at at his peak um so I saw that the jigs might have been a little linked to him too um so uh I don't think there is a is a runaway workload either I think it would have been more like I don't know the Texans or so if they had if the Texans had not to change the subject to another recent news thing but if the Texans had it

traded for David Montgomery and had signed Kenneth Walker then I might have been like oh I wish I drafted him in the third round because I know

they're just going to do the Joe mixing thing with him yeah that's a that's a good call and on yeah well we'll we'll have to get to the to the Texans a little bit later on uh in this show is uh that's one of the the few kind of moves that we know for sure is is being made with with them

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comfort perfected all right I just posted a article about the combine particularly particularly

when it came to receivers if I did this for every single position in one article I think my

head would have exploded but I am going to endeavor to do this type of thing for running backs

and tight ends as well but basically for following along here on the live stream what I did folks

was I built something that it's like a composite athletic score for the for these wide receivers

and I took the sample from 2019 all the way through that this past years combine and just kind

of assigned overall athletic score and you know so in some cases you know like my initial run

it had Matthew golden a little bit way too high but that was because you know the one test that he

did he was like a 95th percentile performer so I tried to to give guys a little bit of extra credit

if they participated in more drills and did well in those drills and did a slight penalty if they

if they opted out of a bunch of the of those drills my methodology still kind of in the laboratory

but I felt like this was still enough to to publish and to discuss of course and I think like the

the really interesting thing to me is the guys at the receiver position who score really well in

this it's not exactly littered with stars right I mean like you know we'll have to see what Jeff

Caldwell becomes but he wasn't on a lot of people's radars before last weekend you cannot play

in fact like the the best receiver who actually like tested extremely well

is Jamar Chase and you know you kind of have to go a little bit further down to find like these

stars with with with athletic scores that they may not rate all that great actually put a little

table together with with the top 10 receivers as far as their 80p goes and their athletic score

some guys were were pro day but Puka he wasn't like you know jumping or doing crazy things at his

pro day JSN same deal with with his pro day CD Lam what was like a fine athlete by the combine

standards Amon Roth famously kind of below average Justin Jefferson Drake London I guess didn't

participate pickings he was still like I still don't think that he was like his fully himself

going into that combine about a year removed from his ACL injury and Nico Collins scored well of course

but that that sort of helped him get drafted he wasn't he wasn't like a locked to go in like the day

two range before that combine so that certainly helped his case but yeah long sort of preamble to say

that I'm not saying that the combine doesn't matter but I think it more matters on like the the left

side than than the right side if you're looking at a chart where like the the guys that are

absolutely blowing it up at the combine like they're not always going to be great but you need to

have like a certain like kind of baseline threshold to establish when it comes to to athleticism

like you know very rarely are you going to get like a receiver who does anything that also runs

a 4-7 but you know the the kind of current common theme of these guys is like they you know they

are running in the in the 4-5s in a lot of instances and I made this other chart sorry to maybe

too many visuals I'm throwing out there at once but like these are the guys with the yellow dots

are the guys with the fastest 40s over the last few years and then the guys with the blue dots are

the best performers in terms of fantasy production from last year none of those guys with the blue dots

really were insane you know four three type of guys yeah the first of all the before I get into

like the the meta whatever the the tool we can call it like a tool writer something like that that

you've made model a model that you've working with we got to figure out an acronym it's going to

be hard because we have to use your name we're going to have to find a J in an H word it's all got

to fit together in like an athleticism themes clunky title and we got to think of that

start spreading that get less spark more of the John metric which is better but yeah it's

it's a complicated subject this this this big subject of wondering about the meaning of the

combine and the role of athleticism specifically I guess especially with the the fantasy production

concern because that's that's all we truly care about in these venues I think it's easy to get

swept up in a variety of different theories I consider my viewpoint on it kind of moderate in a way

which normally I think it's a label people misapply in other contexts I mean truly moderate in

that like I'm trying to keep everything in mind you know and it's not to me true to say the combine

doesn't matter or that it does just like it it doesn't determine anything on its own either for

me it's it's a multifaceted process to evaluate prospects and the athleticism is one component

it's like you you have to make like a new composite grade for prospects that also involves a

consideration of the production and not to say that every time production and athleticism are both

present the the player therefore is good because you know Paris Campbell one example he was he was

productive at Ohio State great athletic testing still didn't turn out to be anything Dante

Montcreefe was I think a guy who was kind of in that category that Mississippi wherever he played

so you will get guys who are both really athletic and really productive who turn out to be

duds in the NFL but the thing about most of these total duds that you mentioned John these

really fast guys who did nothing they also did nothing in college yes that that's a that's a good

point so I'll pull up the the 40 for example so like Anthony Schwartz track guy amazing sprinter

and and you know someone who like always scared me when he was at Auburn as a Georgia fan because

you know it's like what if you know what if he breaks the big one but just you know he wasn't a

great football player is just a great athlete or you know Ty Quant Thornton has had a little bit

of difficulty although he was he was at least like pretty productive at at Baylor you move on

down that this list as far as great 40 times are concerned I don't know who John likes to race for

a meeting I didn't know it's like he had he has the same composite grade and you look at his

production at West Virginia it's like okay well why didn't you do anything and the answer is because

he didn't have the football skill he didn't have a sufficient football skill level for his athleticism

to be useful it was it was a totally moot consideration I just it just didn't get onto the field you

know the different it's like the difference between in baseball like raw power like basically like

how much can this guy just beat the crap out of something with a stick versus the end power the

game game power which is like can he hit a ball and if he can't then it doesn't matter how strong

he is there's no power see exactly so like you you get the I guess Joey Gallo at least had like

a couple good seasons but he's always like that that that that monster monster raw power but the

game power let me let me one up you there please yeah that's a much better example everybody on this

pot everybody listen to this podcast knows his suly Matthias is no no question about it I'm still

I'm still holding that hope for my guy a big Christmas John Kenzie Noel I think is in the Orioles

camp now I can't couldn't believe the guardian guardian just threw him out with the trash

but anyway you can hear more more actual baseball analysis on our on our baseball podcast feeds but

yeah I think that's a great point when it comes to the to the 40 in particular and and yeah

like that this list is not littered with guys who were you know like 80 hundred catch type of

guys at the college level with with a bunch of you know like worthy was you know worthy was

someone that we really put under the microscope when he ran the 421 because like there was a

production variable to to to him but there were also like other concerning signs it and and you

know things like well he is also like very small like what you know what's the success rate on

guys with with with that particular frame and they need to run as fast as worthy does in order to

to amount to much and you know things like that and you had drop issues that that you know

haven't exactly gone away either right so to kind of like circle back a little bit to the the

Paris Campbell issue right like the what do you do with these guys who both put up really big numbers

and are very athletic it gets harder at this point I I fell for it in both the cases of Paris

Campbell and Dante Montcreefe so I'd like to not do that the next time around and best I can tell is

it won't shock anyone that in Paris is can Paris Campbell's case it was well he just kind of was a

screen merchant so that he or you know end around merchant they would do that thing where he's

basically taking a jet sweep but because the quarterback technically was was leaning like a half

of a degree forward when they let the ball go that it counted as a pass so that that was a lot of

the production that Paris Campbell had it was kind of like dubious production especially in hindsight

because he could have said like this is not you can't emulate this in the NFL so what is he going

to do then and there's no real obvious reason why Paris Campbell couldn't have just adjusted its gain

I think that's a thing a lot of players have to do is like they'll they'll also reach that point

where it's like this thing that worked in college so much it's just over now you're just going to

have to find some other way to do it and the best players do in those cases and in Paris Campbell's

case I guess in hindsight we would say he didn't have the route running acumen he didn't have the

route running like the spatial intelligence aspect of it because clearly he can the movement part

he can do but it's like the timing the the innate the sixth sense aspect of route running he

apparently didn't have he was always just kind of like running himself into coverage so in a case

like were these you that's an exact that's a kind of like a good opportunity to look at that too

because especially if you just looked at his true freshman year you would have and you also knew

about his track background you would have said like this is this is the first overall pick this

is going to be the first overall pick there's no doubt about it he's going to be the most coveted

live receiver talents since you know the whatever mega-tron and it wouldn't have been a crazy

thing to suspect at the time however as the sample size got bigger over the next two years we saw

worthy was forced into situations where he could not maintain that same effect on the game

and so you have to kind of yeah you have to try to keep an eye out for that where the sort of like

I think we saw a little bit of that with Casey concepts you own too uh between his first and

the second year um you have you have to kind of you have to sort of ask yourself like well what if

this what if this fails what if this fails what if this is a disappointment and in the case of a guy

like were these I think we can have a little bit of um not not like a true pessimism for him but we

don't we don't need to assume that just because he produced at a notable level at a notable age

and has all this athleticism that he's therefore going to improve on any particular basis like he

might be maxed out because this issue is something pretty straightforward as he says like he's the

physicality holding out of the ball he's he's he's just not very good at it at least right now

if it changes a lot could change with it but until then we we don't really have any basis to assume

things will just get better for no particular reason yeah I mean we we have a couple of years in now

and and um you're just sort of like he's got speed like you know what to draw the the direct

you know chiefs comparison where it's like okay like he he's supposed to be the tirey kill

or or something you know he's supposed to like add this downfield element and you know you've made

you've made good points on just like how defense has I've changed and adjusted to kind of take

away the deep ball a little bit but like were these speed like the 421 speed should be something

where like it it kind of neutralizes what whatever like defensive formation that you're you're out

there but it feels like worthy in his case it and I could be running I don't have his adob right

in front of me but now it feels like the downfield targets like he doesn't generate them once or

ever whether it's re-run some of the show see yeah they just catch them in the net every time and um

I I think if I if I was in charge if I was like assigned to the chiefs to to to make worthy

get to the next level I would suggest he should add some weight I don't think he's he's got to be

like 165 something like that and if he was 180 okay he's not gonna run a 421 but what's so bad

about a 428 or whatever if you're 180 pounds that's that's that's that's a little bit more you can

work with that that speed you keep you keep adding more and more speed to no effect like it doesn't

matter how how fast you get it just the you've hit this dead end this this this diminished return

there's nothing to be done about it except to work away from it and in that sense I think it's

like you got to start finding ways to attack parts of the field that you didn't previously

one reason why might be you kind of just get knocked out of the frame to you get read all

the time you can't you can't go and fight at the catchpoint because you just you just get slapped

away at the rim every time so if it's where they could get a little bigger uh kind of work on his

catchpoint physicality I think then he could kind of unlock a whole new world of possibility but

yeah right now he's he's just kind of figured out yeah so there needs to be a counter punch that

that he's gonna be throwing in order to really make a progression and kind of get to that level

that that you know the chiefs and fantasy players alike we're kind of hoping and and expecting

still by the way was 180 or 185 at 5 foot 8 you know yeah so he was not running yeah not at all

so yeah that there was like an inherent difference there you just he's wish the 421 is so

cool to watch you just like you throw it deep man just let's see what happens but yeah

though I think in hindsight it's a little bit of a 7 on 7 cultural degeneration

event because what's up with these 160 pound receivers come on knock it off stop

and you know they're just they're getting these receivers they're pre-selecting more of these

athletes who are incredibly skinny because it's harder to jam them in 7 on 7 give me a break it's

not real football just before this in like the not in the 2000s or whatever the skinniest

receiver in the league was Todd Pinkston and even he would be like he would be like a 43rd

percentile weight guy over the past five years yeah he's a it'd be like a yeah monster compared to

run your 40 at 180 or at least you know 175 or something otherwise it doesn't count anymore be honest

with us here yeah it's ridiculous let's see here so let's let's let's go ahead and scale this

conversation to hated hated how I said that let's let's move the conversation to look at at

this year's class and you know we just kind of established a more overarching like theme and

that we're noticing with with fantasy producers versus you know these standout guys

at the combine and I think we have an interesting group of participants from this year's combine

that that we can get into I feel like I don't have everybody but I've got 13 guys in the from

this week this week's combine to get into and you know we we're talking about production

and that being an important thing where you know if you're if your athleticism is great but the

production's not there then I'm going to inherently like not have a ton of trust it so let's talk

a little bit about Caldwell just because you know he he did stand out so much and and there's I

guess a sort of optimistic way you can look at things for Caldwell in the sense that he started

out at Lyndon Wood in the Ohio Ohio Valley conference and then he moved up to Cincinnati that

this past year and I think he had like eight touchdowns on on 32 catches we like that but

his catch rate was abysmal and well below team baseline so I'm worried that that he's not

worth much more than like a speculative end of end of your rookie draft type of guy but even then

I'm probably going to lean more towards a guy with with some actual you know production to to his

game and more promising production I think that that translates then then say Caldwell who is

just all tools I think you know his best case scenario is sort of an Isaac Tesla essentially

yeah I I feel pretty safe in assuming Caldwell won't play more than something like 25 snaps in

the NFL if he even is active for a single game in his career he is a crazy athlete no doubt about

the problem is we have seen this before there's nothing new about a Jeff Caldwell there's

there's dozens and dozens and dozens of Jeff Caldwells throughout NFL draft history that have

you know they they've generated a similar level of interest at the time they're like oh

huge and fast this guy look how he jumps so high it's crazy they disappeared all the same no one

remembers them really and I think Caldwell is going to be the next one of that because as you said

his production was just so brutal at Cincinnati so he also Jeff Caldwell was the third leading

receiver on the team this this this junior Caleb Goody who I know maybe he'll be at the

combine next year he out produced he had more yardage than Caldwell in one less game than Caldwell

played so it's also annoying to me that Caldwell was at the combine instead of Cyrus Allen who is

pretty clearly the better receiver from that Cincinnati team true and um Cyrus Allen was

productive player in college you know that not a not a star or anything but I still think Cyrus

Allen has a chance to be a wide receiver three type in the NFL even though he didn't get invited

to the combine because he was a productive true freshman at Louisiana Tech to the second year

he was also productive there he was not bad at Texas A&M they just didn't really let him play

and then this last year with Cincinnati Cyrus Allen was so much more productive than Jeff Caldwell

on the same offense and this is this is not a high baseline that Cincinnati had 61.6% completed

8.2 yards per attempt and Caldwell still sank it like he was he was just he was killing them the

7.8 yards of target may not look that bad but considering the catch rate was was so bad so much

lower than an already low baseline uh Caldwell I think at best would be like a a decoy type in the

NFL but I think more so he's gonna be uh he's like he's like a poor man's Dante Thornton

so that's not that's not something that um we're super interested in so again this is just one

of the like the lessons that we want to get out there essentially is that just because Caldwell

was insane at the combine does not necessarily mean that he's going to be uh someone that you're

gonna be needing to pay a lot of attention to uh in the NFL for your fantasy purposes um of the

other guys who I gave a little metal icon to Bryce Lance and Dion Burke's they both tested well

what were your what were your kind of thoughts on them going in and coming out of the combine

uh that was Bryce Lance and Burke's you said that's right okay um yeah Bryce Lance is an

interesting case uh not least of which reason being he's uh he's trail Lance's brother but it

almost uh directly leads you to the the big concern with with Bryce Lance which is all right

if he's six or three four four and he can jump out of the gym and he's trail Lance's brother

and he doesn't play until his fourth year there that's weird that's that's that's sometimes

itself can be explained I mean there as as I mentioned like the last podcast as we mentioned

every so often there there is such thing as such an extreme outlier case like a Darren Waller

that like yeah sometimes sometimes a guy didn't produce for reasons that can be explained and

reasons that now no longer exist it's exceedingly generous though to look at how long it took

Lance to get on the field at North Dakota State and and say oh it's fine it's it's probably it's

probably a special teams Gunner he is fast uh and he you know he's at he's big he's it's not like he's

a he's not running his fourth three four at a hundred and seventy pounds he's running it at two

oh five or whatever so I'd imagine Bryce Lance will stick around the league he should be a really good

special teams player if nothing else I just historically guys who take as long to get on the field as

a wide receiver as he did especially at that level of competition especially with the program probably

looking for any reason to get him on the field as soon as possible because of his name

that's that's a lot that that makes me skeptical of him being more like a wide receiver five type

at the NFL level and then uh Birx it's it's largely the same it's it's a largely the same theme as

the other guys which is uh I just hate the production I don't really care how fast and quick

a receiver is if if he puts up numbers like these which uh by these numbers I mean at Purdue

uh let's have played at least uh three hundred snaps and probably something more like four hundred

five hundred his sophomore year eighty judge twenty nine targets at five point one yards per target

uh so he's he's running he's not running real routes and he still can't draw targets at a

notable uh per snap rate like normally if you're running at that four yard eight odd or whatever

he must have been you should be drawing a target every five snaps because of how primitive the

route is and how easy it is to to present a target on it uh it's third year at Purdue the one

that he played before he got to Oklahoma those numbers are also kind of trash his target rate again

at at a pretty low depth is low if assuming snaps are correct figures it's 92 targets on eight

hundred and fifty seven snaps I want that to be more like a hundred and twenty for the kind of

routes that he's running and for the for the year that he with the age level he would have been

at that point his fourth year his first at Oklahoma five point seven yards per target I know it's

a small say five games but uh it mainly the target rate was better then but it's again it's it's it's

it seems to me the story of Dion Berks's career has been like he he understandably

tantalizes these coaches with this incredible quickness and speed and hops that he has but when

they try to get on the ball it just doesn't work and they try to get on the ball it just it just

keeps not working for five years and that's where we're at with Berks yeah five the five year

detail with with like no real like it was like kind of like manufactured at Purdue like you look at

the the team context and it's like Purdue it's been pretty bad uh these these last few years and it's

I'd rather have Barry and Brown than Dion Berks because at least Barry and Brown might return some

kick-offs for a touchdown you know yeah like I wonder what what happened with with with his 40 but um

might have added some weight because he was he was he was a at 180 or higher and maybe he's one of

those like well if he was 170 it would have been a 426 or something right right and then um you

know looking at the guys who who were kind of in the middle I called them like the the Goldilocks

tier of this particular group where it's like the production was good and the athleticism was good

I felt like Skyler Bell and Ted Hurst both kind of like checked uh that those boxes you know bell

kind of a later breakout and and I know that like this is just another kind of wrinkle that we

have to deal with uh as draft analyst because these guys are staying in school longer so like the

the days of you know a true sophomore breakout that that translates into a big junior year that

turns into you know he in early declare like it doesn't happen anymore these guys make money in

college now so and you know in the case of someone like Skyler Bell like if you left Wisconsin to go

to the go to the draft after three years you wouldn't you know be like selling insurance or something

so he needed those two those two years at you condo to kind of hone his craft more and he I mean

if anyone played college football DFS this this past year Skyler Bell was like the guy that you

built your lineups around like he you knew that you was going to get in the political targets

he had such an awesome year he should have they probably just gave it to Jeremiah Smith just because

oh yeah you're right um but yes you're right it's uh it's it's a complicated case when you find

one like Bells especially because there's such a whip lash between his 2023 production at Wisconsin

which was horrible uh in a way that's difficult to explain to be clear it's you know he caught

38 of 60 targets that's 4.9 yards per target at a really bad catch rate one touchdown uh 38

catches resulting in just 296 yards so that's brutal however that was a relatively small sample and

certainly was that a fickle year was that 20 23 would have been fickles first year so yeah um

we can probably forgive Skyler Bell if Luke fickle kind of just made it hard for him to produce

especially because not only that Skyler Bell put up such huge numbers at Yukon the next two years

both of them quality production but especially the 2025 season Skyler Bell's 2022 season at Wisconsin

before fickle showed up and uh completely torched and and uh bombed the Wisconsin football

program oh Bell had really promising sophomore year and that would have been if he had had a junior

year uh more like his sophomore year there's a chance Skyler Bell would have been in the NFL a year

ago um because in 2022 Skyler Bell was was uh 30 of 54 targets for 444 yards and five touchdowns

on a 625 snaps so for for a second year receiver to do that at Wisconsin that's that's like

that's that's pretty good that's about as good as a second year receiver does by Wisconsin standards

and then fickle showed up and it's it's only that fifth year where it all looks bad for Bell

and then he he also puts up the quality you know combine workout so it's a complicated case there's

certain rules that if you if you apply them to Bell they can they can lead you to the conclusion

that oh he sucks because he didn't do this by this year and the the outcomes for that query is

these are all bad players it's like yeah fair enough but as you were saying John certain paradigms

are going to kind of did of the past are going to dissolve in light of this transfer you know

the the covid uh six-year thing like all that stuff is is creating a little bit different of an ecosystem

than we used to have and um you're gonna have to look more at the anecdotal stuff like in Bell's case

because if you don't you could easily look at that third year and think like oh no this is this is a

red flag and it's more so no Luke fickle is a red flag for whoever he's coaching yep so yeah

to sometimes it does take you know the team context microscope uh to to kind of uncover why exactly

things unfolded uh the way the way that they did but obviously you found greener pastures and I'm

excited for her to get good now now the so we were saying I was saying before the combine

you know tedhurst's production and the way that he kind the parts of the field that he ran in at

Georgia state it it kind of looks like neco collins stuff in the event and I thought I thought it

was a long shot at the time it's not often that you see Georgia state guys are you know that level

of competition in general it's not often you see them uh show up to the combine and be one of the

best athletes there but that's what tedhurst did and they're listening about 64206 now uh 64206

running a 442 with production like this what are we waiting for this is tedhurst is a is a combine case

where I say this is where you you let you load up the hype now and it might seem to someone like

you're just doing it because of the combine though and no I'm saying because of his unusual

the good production and in the particular event that he posts these particularly good athletic

metrics then this very specific scenario becomes plausible and it's I think neco collins is such a

direct model for what it is and his athletic testing graded like pretty much right right at where

neco's did and as far as the this this model is concerned like tedhurst 74.4 and um neco 73.2 so

like right right there um so this is where we love that so you know if you're looking for diamonds

in the roughly that's kind of how you do it so uh in her case I feel like he he's definitely more

more firmly on the radar and I I envision us kind of battling for for him and in uh in our dynasty

rookie drafts so we've got coming up uh that this spring um and then you know well let's look at the

at the other end of the of that spectrum where car carnellt hx in at 62192 and runs the uh the the

40 that has been much argued about uh if you've noticed an in big football media even it's not

it's not like weird guys on on twitter who like you know time their own 40s it's like

shifty versus mic floreo versus you know this guy and then this team scout said that they

they clotted in the characters we call them the main characters are even talking about this

it's getting granular I think it's a clear indication that uh those guys need free agency really

badly to get here so they can they can start breaking some news because now we're getting into

zappruder film 40 time type of stuff but regardless what we know about carnelltate is that he ran

just a little bit north officially of that four five mark but as we've kind of like established

on this show not necessarily a bad thing yeah I do think though it was a disappointing time for

tate because if I'm if I'm if I'm gonna call a player a blue chip prospect which is what the

pitch has been with tate there's been this kind of insistence from the biggest carnelltate

proponents that you just don't understand this is a blue chip receiver this is this is this is an

alpha number one x receiver you just you just have to no ball and you can see it and I know I'm

agnostic on him I'm not saying like you can't be a legitimate wide receiver one in the NFL

but to me blue chip prospects are also blue chip athletes I I am not going to buy the I'm

going to be skeptical of you as the person giving me this pitch if you tell me he's blue chip

and he runs a four five three and especially a low weight the four five three if it was if it was

that two oh eight or something that he was running that at six two two oh eight running a four five

then I say oh who cares that's that's a that's that's a that's a good sturdy frame we can work with this

but at one ninety two he's getting kind of skinny for his height and I I want if you're skinny

for your build I just kind of feel entitled to if I'm taking you to the top of 15 you should be fast

that's just how I feel it's tough to call tate from here though in my opinion because he I think

there's there's a really good reason to believe he is some version of good and likely in

above average starting receiver of some sort in the NFL but it just it just irritates me and it makes

me kind of distrustful when people like Lance's earline compare Carl Tate to Chris O'Lavi is like

that's can someone please make a pitch to me for Carl Tate that is lucid and makes comparisons that

are accurate and and you know these these these concerns that I have can they be addressed

specifically and the only real thing that addresses tates otherwise kind of disappointing production

is that Jeremiah Smith is completely insane which is true I just I just don't think that

Carl Tate ever showed production at Ohio State that conclusively hinted at wide receiver one as

opposed to wide receiver two and if if if Carl Tate turns out to be merely a top 45 receiver in the

NFL that at once would not be back that is certainly nothing shameful about that but the particular

price tag that Carl Tate's loud loudest advocates were pushing for was something where that would be

a disappointing outcome to me and yet I'm not feeling the I'm not seeing any tangible reason at

this point to just to just wave off that possibility the way most people do right I think I think a

lot of people are they came into the combine with with their priors they they realize that the 40s

not everything and they they just kind of brush everything aside from this past weekend I think

I think like you're saying the the frame detail I think is almost like more concerning than the 40

time because that is like a tall lean frame for a guy so like you're saying prefer to have you

have some speed to you and you didn't do the jump so we don't know what the explosiveness really

looks like in the in the case of of Carl Tate so in John you know what sorry it's really annoying

to that Tate ran that 40 because I bet he's going to run it again at the Ohio State pro day and

there it's going to be like 438 because they have an insanely fast track there and it won't

matter you know because it's like it's like if he had skipped if he just hadn't run at the

combine and had ran at the Ohio State pro day I I personally would have been skeptical of the

number I would have been like oh that's a 45 but now it's going to be somehow the most annoying

scenario possible where he runs the 453 at the combine and people are like oh he's slow he sucks

which is not true exactly and then get to the pro day when he's going to run the 437 or whatever

they're like actually he was really fast he just had bad form at the combine also not true

everyone leaves with the possible dumbest takeaways I think that's exactly what's going to happen

beautiful and it's frankly it's what we deserve but I'll back Tate I

when unless this so in like the late fifth round or whatever it was I don't I don't think in today's

best ball ADP environment that that's a bad deal it's like if anything it's like if he had proven

he's that blue chip player then he would push for like the third round rather than the fifth so I

I think it accidentally or not this this kind of like disappointing scenario for Tate was already

baked into his ADP a little bit okay yeah because they they're had been just sort of like a cluster of

that that top tier of of incoming rookie receivers whether it's Tate, McKay lemon and Jordan

Tyson all just sort of like going and it's not like it's not as if you're picking them over some

really great pick it's just you know kind of just pretty good guys at that point.

Yeah no one's ever like stoked to have Cortland's son even though he usually ends up you know

at least returning some level of profit for wherever you end up picking him but yeah it's like

yeah I'd rather like at least like kick the tires on some plausible upside with some of these rookies

because as obviously as we've seen in recent years you know getting the best rookie receiver will

usually vault you fairly far you know don't have to look too far in the past to dig up examples

like that. I think that about covers it as far as the the combine receivers go any other kind of

takeaways from the combine outside of the receivers that you wanted to get on the record here.

I guess I should acknowledge that Omar Cooper had a much better 40 time than I expected his

442. I expected it to be more like a 457 or something. I still don't care that much. I see people

projecting him in the first round. I don't doubt that some team maybe the bills or something will take

him there. I'm just confident in not getting all worked up about it anyway because this is a profile

that's maybe novel certainly an entertaining player. The highlights are entertaining with Omar Cooper.

It might be a novel good overall profile for a draftist than is this one but we've also seen

dozens of Omar Cooper's. This is not a compelling prospect profile. And if he's going to be

pushing for the first round and if the dynasty community is going to the ADP community of the

fantasy football community in general is going to kind of latch on to that. I'm not going to draft

any of them because I just I'm sorry this is like a wide receiver 3 in the NFL. I'll still take

a lot of just a rat. No questions asked. Jacobi Lane had a really great combine actually. I thought

he was going to run like a 468 or so. I thought he was going to be like USC auditate or something

like that. But he ran a 447 and now it's on. Jacobi Lane I think is he's almost as big of a winner

as Tad Hirst if only because of the degree of you know the contrast between what we thought about

Lane and what we now know about him is it changes the complexion of the whole thing. And I'm still

pretty skeptical of him as a player but Casey concepts you own checked in quite a bit bigger than I

expected a 6 foot 196. So where I was I have to kind of retract what I was saying before the

combine was like I was kind of considering concepts you own and Zachariah Branch the same player

more or less. That's not true. Branch being 5 9177 that's that's a that's a meaningful difference

from 6 foot 196. So that that's another thing that the the combine kind of clarified to me personally.

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the best way in for for my guys Zachariah Branch and I definitely

am going to need to to make sure that that Lane and in KCC are in this sample just to fill it out

further but yeah good call outs on on those guys. Before we get out of here let's do a little

bit more free agent discussion before we before we roll. So I guess this was more of a trade than

a free agent thing but your instant reactions to the David Montgomery to Houston deal you like

what does that mean for for both Montgomery and Woody marks and then additionally you know what

what are the lions going to do with with their backfill because you know sort of like you were saying

earlier where yeah not to say it's like the exact one to one but you know if the box are

are clearing clearing out the room other than Bucky Irving like they're going to need someone to

take some carries so we don't have a situation where Irving's getting 350 rushes. Gibs I feel like

as awesome as he is like he he's not 300 he's not a Derek Henry workload guy so so Detroit obviously

I think has some work to do in in backfilling without Montgomery as well. Right I think to me

are Gibs is awesome but it makes me a little anxious how heavily the the lions have been working

in this past year I'd prefer to see him honestly used more like he was two years ago and it's

it's a little frustrating to me because that's kind of the that's that's the gap that's the whole

difference between Montgomery being cool with playing for the lions and then demanding this trade as

he may or may not have that sure it sure kind of seems like he wanted out and understandably so

David Montgomery is probably overqualified to play as little as he did for the lions last year and

when that's the reason you're overworking Gibs that that's kind of a bummer to me if I was a lions fan

but it shouldn't be that hard for the lions to replace what Montgomery was giving them they just were

kind of the lions thought too that he was overqualified that's how much they value the run game they

they're like yeah we want an overqualified backup so with that said that that role was only about

a third of the snaps so a third of your snaps at running back that's that's generally easy to

account for I'm not getting my hopes up in other words for another big contributor in the

Detroit backfield I assume it's gonna be it's more likely to be like Gibbs in two more people

than Gibbs and somebody reaching the exact same height that Montgomery did so Houston I think

it's pretty simple Montgomery's the starter and he could get every bit of the workload that Joe

Mixon did when he was on the team and not ATVing or whatever but Woody Marx's toast is where I think I

I'm granted yeah it's a better it's a better it's a more appropriate role for Woody Marx to be a

passing down specialist and I don't doubt that a Woody Marx can unlock some things as a pass

catcher that the Texans just couldn't really get going last year but Woody Marx is not an explosive

player he's not a good he's a below average pure runner so he's got to make it all work as a

pass catcher and David Montgomery's a good pass catcher so it's not as if they need to get

Montgomery off the field to clear space or to get returns in the passing game at running back

yeah for me Marx was like a nice pick last year when he was next to free this year with him going

more in like the 9th 10th round yeah you know I'm not not now haven't been quite as attuned to

to get exposure for risks like Houston trying to bolster its backfield as they should but with

getting a guy like Montgomery so that this you know but I feel like no work on the risk of lying Houston

if you could try to remember to do that yeah it's just like trading the few guys that you have it's

it's it's nuts I'll throw out one sort of fan-fick thing that I think might might interest you

manual Wilson's gonna hit free agency what if what if the lines brought him in I think that'd

be a great call I guess the one consideration they might need to weigh first is I don't know

these exclusive rights types or I guess it was a restricted free agent and they're putting a

not they're putting a no-drapping tender right that's what that's what Green Bay is doing I don't

know if in that case if the lion's sign Wilson does that count as a qualified free agent departure

whatever the term is for the Green Bay compensatory pick formula you know I also don't know if Green Bay

has any free agent so it might not it might be moot point but the player I think is the exact

kind of thing that the lions would add in mind because rugged 230 pounder clearly a power

specialist not that in my opinion Wilson can actually be like a starting running back especially

for if you don't need him to do it for more than a few weeks at a time or whatever but his call

in card is the power that's that's where his strength is up as a player originates and it's what

the lions need without Montgomery it's exactly the it's exactly the the complimentary trait to Gibbs

who's obviously great but he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't have much more than like anchor power

like he's not he's not going to push anyone back too much he can hold his ground pretty good but

he's not really going to knock people back Wilson might be able to knock some people back especially

if it's you know the second half and if the defense is getting a little tired behind a quality

offensive line of manual Wilson can absolutely be the kind of guy who gives you like four and a half

plus yards per carry even as a power back yeah just like that tenderizing presence and you know

you get the defense a little bit beat up and then Gibbs you know comes in over over the top and you

know as as the back breaking play that you know ends up up in the lines get get a win that type of

thing so just playing around with some machinations of there's a lot of free agent running backs that

are pretty good in my opinion so it's gonna it's it's a weird musical chair scenario at running

back this free agency that I can't really remember happening before where there's there's upwards of

like 15 players who I'm at the drop of a hat gonna be able to say yeah they're valuable in fantasy

now if they if they if they ended a certain place and you know necessarily there's like eight or

nine who are going to get frozen out when this when this shoe drops but the guy like a manual Wilson

you know it's like it's normally so easy to miss him in like the broader analysis but a couple

things go a certain way he could definitely become a factor exactly so like that we may not have

like the same top of the free agent class that like the Derek Henry Safe one Barclay Josh Jacobs

class did a couple years ago but by that same token like I feel like this is a really deep one

and I think that additionally like we're looking for for new guys new faces and new places like

this rookie running back class I just think is is pretty mediocre or so like so and it's definitely not

deep either so I think it just it it makes paying attention to where these free agent running backs

and up that much more important to your process this draft season and then let's see additionally

it looks like Stefan Diggs is no longer going to be with the patriots and quarterback stuff with

Malik Willis and Kyler Murray so any thoughts on those three before we roll out I I love Malik Willis

I support him as a free agency expenditure in a way that I normally wouldn't for you know like

I'm like I'm not a fan of Ty Simpson going in the first round but the idea of Malik Willis getting

an irresponsible contract I am in favor of in part for just the chaos I guess and I don't know

I just think Willis kind of has had a raw deal to this point you know in hindsight with how well

you play for the Packers it's like why why did he get discarded by the Titans for Will Levice of

all people Will Levice that's why you're closing the door on this guy and now like look just

it's kind of crazy how many teams like Titans you know how badly they've mismanaged managed it

you'd say like surely this must be the worst thing anyone has done in the past few years it's like

there's a lot of teams like this it's crazy but yeah I think the Kyler Murray stuff is complicated

the baseball stuff I have no idea what to me I kind of hope that for our drafting purposes

for our projections and analysis purposes I hope they kind of close the door on that as soon as

possible because I don't want to have to worry about my quarterback to playing baseball this year

instead I don't want that so if they could kind of nip that in the bud that'd be great beyond that

it's of course still weird with Kyler even if we had that assurance that like yeah baseball is not

things okay now we just have to separate other really big issues to have to account for

I don't think Kyler Murray is a bad quarterback but I really I really do think there's a valid

point to be made that he's even if he's a pretty good quarterback it's fair for a team to just say

we still don't want him we just we just don't want him in our locker room I'm not even really

seizing so much on like the call of duty thing maybe that's maybe that's the start in the end of it

maybe that's the whole thing I don't know but it doesn't seem like Kyler Murray wants to

lead a team he doesn't seem competitive that way he kind of he he doesn't seem to take personal

offense to his team playing poorly you know I guess it's you can kind of see that he comes off

as selfish and like not a great teammate because it and it might be it might be a fair accusation

maybe he really does just care about like his own stats and he's like not invested in the game

beyond that it's possible and it seems like some significant number of people are suspect

in the same thing and you see the way the Cardinals dispense with him it's kind of adds to the

suspicions like they didn't it felt like no culture loss at all to get rid of this guy at a position

that teams are normally so low to to ever cut anybody you know so I would if if if Mike McDaniel had

not been fired as the dolphins I would have said that would have been the perfect spot for Kyler

Murray because I think it takes tinkering with it takes tinkering with an offense and a lot of

accommodation to put an offense in place that really suits Kyler Murray I think to be fair to

Kyler drew pettings system in Arizona did not do that at all as we saw it it looked like a system

more designed for Jacobi Brissett than Kyler Murray and as much as it's kind of it it shows

severe limitations in Kyler's game that that was the case at all it's also like well why didn't

you just make it more of a Kyler Murray off like Mike McDaniel is the kind of guy who it isn't

like a squirrely brain that he'd get like a lot of stuff moving around in a way that kind of put

Kyler Murray in a playmaking position but if some team just tries to sign Kyler Murray to make him run

like a north turner offense or whatever like let's let's even the point by now yeah who knows

what the dolphins are you gonna end up doing obviously it looks like two is not gonna be there

I don't know I feel like there's a case to be made for for them to just like

see if Quinn yours is anything and then if not you get you get access to one of the best quarterbacks

in next year's class always a risky proposition but yeah there might never be a good quarterback

prospect again after because of the seven on seven stuff you're talking about seven culture

twenty six zero like everybody's a Chris winky now yeah it's just out of hand it's

where has my where has my culture gone culture gone man it's it's tough out there so yeah

speccing on on quarterback classes is oftentimes a a fool's errand I think if we were like looking

a year a year ago at this year we'd be like oh yeah just screw twenty twenty five and just

get ready to to load up on quarterbacks in twenty twenty six and yeah that's obviously not the case

we might get to first round quarterbacks that this year and yeah that's kind of where we're at

with things so I think that's gonna do it for for us on this episode of the roto wire fantasy football

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