NFL Player Origin

0:00CalShe's own CEO says it himself. And yes, two thirds of people on CalShe lose money. So what does it take to be in the other third? You have to do extensive amount of research to be good. There are people that spend copious amount of money, time, resources, energy, they've dedicated their lives to basically becoming good at it. All that and still. And yes, two thirds of people on CalShe lose money, lose money, lose money, lose money. That's CalShe in their own CEO's words. Go to www.fairpredicts.com to learn more. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2 a.m., you wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe. But the pharmacy's closed. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Scientists and ear infection, UTIs, stomach bug, travelers diarrhea and more.

1:03On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Hi folks, welcome to another episode of Film Study. This is Ken McEuzick and we have a special short for you tonight. I think this is a topic that I probably talk about a lot. A lot of my discussion have been based on data that was a year or two old at this point. But good friend of the shows has just looked into this, done a fairly impressive study of the origin of players across the national football league in terms of what team was the original team for these players. So I'm going to let me hand tell you about it. His name is Hunter. You may know him as Goob with a Man from Twitter.

2:06But Hunter, how you doing? I'm doing well, Ken. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate this research too. This is an interesting thing. And I want to kind of give you the floor here to talk about the methodology of this. I may have a couple of questions as you go through. But some great work. Yeah, well, I appreciate it. Yeah, and I have you to thank really for it because I was sitting in the parent pickup line picking up my kids from school the other day and was listening to one of your podcasts. And you mentioned a couple of times in previous ones about how the Baltimore Ravens have the highest number of active players in the league across the many teams. So I started thinking about that and you know, use some AI tools available to me to really to actually pull that data. And what I used is there's a community maintained like collection of NFL data. It's called NFL verse. If anyone wants to go look at it. But I had AI kind of pull that data together in one place

3:07so I can see, you know, where are these players originated from? And come to find out, yeah, it's definitely true. The Ravens do have the highest number of active NFL players across the NFL. Now you mentioned in our production meeting that this is kind of a snapshot in time. So you did this immediately after this year's cut down, right? That's correct. Yeah, it's as of September 1st. So I wanted to see, you know, I wanted that first round of waivers to to clear because a lot of teams like the dolphins, for example, will will claim lots of players and put them on their active rosters. So this data is accurate as of yesterday, September 1st. Okay, very interesting. So it's often seven waiver claims. Just it's it's it just strikes you across the face with a fish basically. In terms of silly that number is. Okay, so I've heard a little bit of your methodology. There's a little more to it in terms of how you had to scrub the data when Chatchy PT couldn't give you anything.

4:08But I'm very comfortable with the thoroughness of it from what you've described to me. So I don't think we'll get into the minutia with everybody here. But I do appreciate that you did a thorough job on that. Yeah, but I tell us about the data itself now and what it shows. Yeah, so out of the one thousand six hundred ninety six total players. That is 50 green man rosters for all 32 teams. There's one thousand three hundred forty eight of those are drafted players with three hundred and forty eight of them being undrafted. Another number I thought was interesting as well because I don't know if it was from like a Ravenswired or a hard knocks or something. I heard this but you'll hear it now and then coaches talking to players saying that there's more undrafted players in the league than there are drafted players. Well, I should say undrafted players are a higher count than first rounders. And so I wanted to check that too kind of while I was at it. And it's it is true. So the three hundred forty eight undrafted free agent players on active rosters.

5:11One point five percent of the league versus two hundred and seventy four of those being first rounders. So 16%. So I thought that was interesting to kind of aside from from you know the talk of the Ravens. But but I thought that was also really interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. And that what that tells me is that the average tenure of a first round draft pick here. Sorry, the average career length is something like nine years. Is that what I mean, it's a you've got thirty two first round draft picks per year. And you see this, there's still 280 around in the NFL roughly. Okay. So nine years worth of first round picks are still kicking around the NFL somewhere. And obviously some of those are drafted 10 or 11 or 12 years ago. But that's fairly remarkable to me that the number would be that high. Really, I know it's and it wasn't until you know, I really started digging that, that you know, like more and more with the with the data that I have in here, it's it's kind of like a never ending cycle because it feels like, you know, I,

6:11I peel back a layer and I go, Oh, that's interesting. And then like that, that kind of branches off into four or five more questions that I have. And then you know, you can dig a little bit deeper and find out a little bit more. So it's, it's really interesting to see how, you know, there's so many paths that players take to get into the NFL and you know, the ways that they get exposed to it. And I think teams like the Ravens excel at finding these players, whether it's in the draft or afterwards or on other people's teams or trades, you know, they do such a good job at finding these players, developing them, getting them ready. And then ultimately, you know, hopefully keeping them on our team so that they can win Super Bowl Sports. But you know, however, that shakes out, you know, just getting them in the league and developing them is something excel at. Right. I, I, I think this says so many positive things. About the Ravens scouting and UDFA processes, both of those. And I want to give you the first crack at that and really tell me, what do you think it says about the first of all the Ravens scouting, but then the UDFA process?

7:15Yeah. Well, I think it says a lot. I think, I think it absolutely cements the reputation that I think they publicly try to convey, which is that they, they're scouts, they're scouts in their front office to a superb job at finding players and our Eric DeCosta and his assistants and Ozzy Newsom and all of them do an extremely good job finding the talent that they believe is worth drafting. And then finding talent afterwards that, you know, they determined wasn't worth a draft pick, but they absolutely want to get in their building. So it's, it, it definitely is a testament to that the Ravens practice what they preach when it comes to both of those things. Yeah. I'm right there with you. I think that the UDFA process, they do a marvelous job with in terms of being immediately after the draft, they've got 20 people on the phone with all kinds of different agents and players trying to get the guys they want in for both you, you know, the 90 man roster

8:18and then they bring in more people even for tryouts. And that's where Joe Flainiano started this year. He was just as a tri-out player. He wasn't, he and Pavia came in and they got added after that. I think both of them got added after that, the 90 for before the spring camps and OTAs and whatnot happened. They still have some tri-out players around at that point. But anyway, those guys were not, you know, the original issue on the, on the team. And it's just, it's very impressive. It really is. And it's fun to follow and it makes it worth following those players. I think sometimes we get so caught up in, you know, the process of the draft and following the, you know, watching Twitter for all of the notifications at such and such, you know, team has signed such and such person. And it's a lot of people you may never hear from again, but at all, with the Raven, at least especially in these last couple years, it's all definitely seemed relevant because they have that reputation

9:19that if the players come in and they do their jobs well, that they have a shot at the roster. And Fannyano is a perfect example of that. I mean, you talk about a kid who was an afterthought and a footnote in terms of every single step of the way. And now, you know, three weeks into the preseason, four weeks into the preseason, we can't stop talking about the guy, you know, it's pretty fantastic. Yeah. If the guy was at the podium again today talking about Fannyano and he apparently, they got calls, which is not surprising. I think they probably shopped a little bit too. They obviously didn't get the right offer in terms of trading him, but, you know, they can't take what the cost will say about this at truly face value today. He says, I think we got a good quarterback that's got a chance kind of thing. I mean, I think they would have traded him for the right price too. But that said, you know, it was a, it's an unbelievable coup to be able to develop a guy as quickly as they did with so few reps.

10:20And I ended up being able to identify him originally, even as someone you want to bring in as a tryout quarterback, you didn't have enough of a, of a pedigree to really necessarily earn that. But he got it and he got his chance with the Ravens any year. Yeah. I mean, it's not even with Fannyano. I mean, they did it with Diego Pounds. I mean, he comes in and he puts up some reasonably good tape. And, you know, we, some of us, myself included, might have preferred that he stayed with the organization, but based on how they had the roster built and the team that they were looking at, if the answer was, we're going to let this guy hit waivers and most likely be picked up. Or let's get some salvage value as I preach you refer to it as. And, you know, let's, let's see what we can get for this guy. And then we get a, you know, a conditional six in a year or two. So it's, it's fantastic work. And I don't think they get nearly enough credit for, for, as good as they do. All right. Well, we'll, we'll take a break here. We'll come back in a moment and talk about some of the downstream implications for this for the Ravens.

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13:24Now what? Urgent care? Close. ER? Slam? Telehealth? Maybe. But the pharmacy's closed. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions. Use for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection. UTIs. Stomach bug. Travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription. Or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling, or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door. And say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. All right, we're back. A couple of things I wanted to ask with relation to this research, which is great. Do you think it says something positive about development at some particular position groups? And I think you can think of one because I think they're the Ravens have

14:26several, the origin story for a number of kickers in the league right now. Yep. Do you have to have that data from what you research? If there are two or three or four guys that they currently have in the NFL, who originally came from the Ravens? Yeah, let's see. Is there a position in general that you're thinking of? Of kickers, specifically. Kickers? Yeah. Kickers, I have the only two right now that are active in the league. There's Tyler Loup, of course, and then there's Will Lutz, who's kicking through the Broncos right now. Okay, so he's the only other one at present. I always wonder how long ago it'd been for like a Graham Gino or a, I'm trying to think of who else would be would be still in the league. Hashtag is going now, but there, there have been guys. And maybe Moody is a guy who won't be a Ravens origin story when he leaves and goes somewhere else to kick if that's the way it works out. But, but yeah. Yeah. There are probably some other positions where I think the Ravens have done a good job. The defensive line would be one where I've always felt like the Ravens had a lot of players

15:31poached from. Do you have any any by position among the 76 that have been Ravens origins? Yeah, you know, when I was looking at what particularly because it feels like they just, they've always had good talent there is like the DB position. So they obviously have theirs that they have on the roster. But we've got a number of other, you know, some of these that ended up having pretty dang good years with with the Ravens. And I'm thinking of recently, I mean, so Chuck Clark, who obviously came and had really just a career year, you know, a couple years ago. He's over with Detroit now. Our Darius Washington, who is one of my absolute favorite Ravens to watch in recent years. Obviously with Harbaugh on the Giants. And then we have Brandon Stevens, who may have had, you know, some up and downplay. But I was just watching a game from 2024 season. He was outstanding that year. I mean, he made a couple of silly, you know, you know, goofs. But he's obviously over there with the Jets. So that would definitely and defensive lines. Actually, a good one too. I can pull that really fast as well. Okay. Why why you're doing this? I'm not even sure if we mentioned

16:35this early, but the Ravens have the most at 76, which is about 4.24% of the entire NFL. You think about it should be one 30 second would be normal, right? And that's, that's going to be just over 3% right? I get that down. Yeah, 3.125%. So, Ravens are a full percentage point ahead and change of what they should be in terms of their influence on the NFL. The second highest was only 62, right? Yeah. And that was 62 is a time between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Kansas City Chiefs. Then what's that what's remarkable about that is it continues to go down the list is they're all within about one or two of each other. I mean, the drop off between the second and I mean, so 14 is the drop off between the first being the Ravens and the Jaguars. You have to go all the way down to the mid 20s for in terms of like that being, you know, that's about the same distance between like the second place, which is a

17:37Jaguars and down in the mid 20s. Okay, so who has 48 would be the question you're trying to answer with that and who who has 48 exactly is there anybody? Yeah, so the the Chicago Bears, the New Orleans Saints and the Washington commanders all have 48 and they're tied for what spot in the National Football League? That would be 23rd. Okay, so one to two is a 14 14 prospect difference and then two to 23rd is another 14 prospect. That's just remarkable anyway. Yes, so good point that is just not BS about the Ravens ability to find talent in later rounds. One of the things that I've said a lot is that the seventh round selections maybe we should look at them a little differently. I think that most of you would say they're just lottery tickets, you know, you never, you never get anything in the seventh round and the Ravens have gotten some seventh round talent. Although I'd say generally speaking, they probably picked it for other teams, but they have they make priority UDFA claims effectively with their seventh round selections and Benny is a guy for example,

18:42this year. That's a priority UDFA claim that they mean that they don't want to compete with other teams and have to pay Rayshaan Benny, you know, out of their limited pool of resources, which they manage very closely in that seventh round. Sorry, the UDFA pool to get Benny and then it didn't end up that he did not it up making the team, but he's there still and could potentially be there from the Ravens practice squad, even if he isn't there from the Ravens practice squad, he'll probably end up somewhere else playing. Yeah, and it's a great point. I mean, it's and it's a great problem to have. I mean, it's truly an embarrassment of riches sometimes in the in the truest sense of the word because I mean, there's a lot of teams and I'm looking on here it's particularly unfortunate for these fans, the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, they are just rock bottom when it comes to both, you know, players drafted that are active in the NFL, they're only of 41. I mean, that's not even enough to fill a roster. And I had calculated the home grown drafted as well and on their current roster, only 20 players even started with the organization, 37% of

19:48the team. So a third and the Ravens on the complete flip side at 2, third 66%. So I mean, a lot of numbers basically to just say that like the Ravens are damn good at finding talent and when they find it, they usually keep it in house and if they don't, then, you know, they they get value for them as often as they can. All right. DeCosta also mentioned at the podium today. I don't think this I don't know if this is true or not, but I'll just quote him on this. He said that they had 23 players claimed during the waiver process in the last decade. And I can't verify that. I don't think that exactly matches up with what I've seen from Brian McFarlane. I think it's possibly slightly exaggerated. But he said during that time, they'd only claimed one player is Del Sean Phillips, that entire time. I remember that. Yeah. I had meant to actually to fact check that as well. I had listened to that same interview an earlier when he had mentioned that the Ravens had had the

20:52highest the sheer number of draft picks he's thought in the last 10 years. And I did fact check that. And that actually ends up not being entirely accurate. They were actually third, but it was it was something like they were within one or two of the of it. So I mean, it's it was it was relatively close. All right. I wonder if that that might have been entering the draft or I and he might just be thinking that they're in the best shape. But I've never liked the notion that draft picks are lottery tickets. The Ravens clearly have done a better job with whether it's low-round draft picks or UDFA's in terms of generating actual NFL talent, whether or not they're the ones who actually get to use it. There's every indication that a lottery ticket is about as far from the truth as might be to describe it. Yeah. I mean, a lottery ticket would imply that there's no research or anything like that being done, which couldn't be further from the truth.

21:52All right. Last question for you, Hunter, is there some element of this that might be self perpetuating? Is the fact that they're good at generating talent, something that helps them generate more talent? I would say so. I think because I think when you have a talented team at your disposal and you you have a history of developing players in a positive way and a coaching staff like we've heard of this new coaching staff is I think it draws in a lot of talent and it draws an interest from potential free agents who you know you get to hear you know these scouts on the phone with these players saying come play and Baltimore look at all of this look at this history we have look at these players we have this competitive team that we have all of that aids itself to continue that machine and I think that's what we've seen definitely over the last couple years and I think stretching further back to Aussie Newsom's days. Right. I completely agree and I think they're recruiting is really advantaged by what they do. There may be some part of it too that Steve

22:58Bishaddi has you know he's Steve Bishaddi has always been willing to spend on building a good football team the money that goes outside the cap which is the real money that he has the discretionary in that sense. So all the other cap dollars you really have to spend the whole thing. There are a few teams who've scrimped and not done it but basically to be competitive you need to spend your entire cap. He's gone way over in terms of paying coaches big money and you know going out there and probably and buying equipment and whatnot I think the Ravens do very well in terms of those things and creating a attractive environment for the for the team too. So and maybe that Bishaddi wouldn't have done that if he didn't have people like Aussie and Eric who have been very successful with this draft process. Yeah I think when you're the person who's paying the bills you see something that's successful and that leads you to want to invest and do it further. I appreciate your Hunter this great great stuff and always fun to have somebody on who's done a new piece of kind

24:01of original research here. Tell folks with things talk football online with you if they'd like to. Sure yeah I mean I'm mostly on Twitter. Goob with the man which is a dumb name that goes back to my childhood but still sticking around and if anybody wants I mean I've got no other plans with this spreadsheet so if anybody would like it or like a send a TFF free to reach out I can shoot it over to you. All right very cool other folks out there please use film studymailbag at gmail.com for any questions you have if you want to be specifically on Friday morning GM and I know a lot of people do just make it clear in the in the heading or in terms of who you're asking or this is for Friday morning GM any of that will will work fine. Appreciate you folks and we'll talk to you next time on film study. CalShi's own CEO says it himself. And yes two thirds of people on CalShi lose money. So what does it take to be in the other third? You have to do extensive amount of research to be good. There are people that spend copious amount of money time resources energy

25:02dedicated their lives to basically becoming good at it. All that and still. And yes two thirds of people on CalShi lose money. That's CalShi in their own CEOs words go to www.fairpredicts.com to learn more. Dave Roberts here there you are surrounded by fans sharing wings sharing drinks high-fiving random strangers everybody remembers the game nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later at 2 a.m. you wake up with the fever and your throats on fire now what urgent care close ER slam telehealth maybe but the pharmacies close you needed a medical emergency kit these aren't first aid kits they contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions sinus and ear infection UTIs stomach bug travelers diarrhea and more on hand before you need them. Use your doctor develop guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by it's like an urgent care and drugstore at home when you're sick traveling or

26:03stranded you wish you ordered a medical emergency kit order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say 45 dollars with my promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue that's promo code blue at urgent care kit dot com slash blue