Nick Harris Speaks to Why the Cowboys Traded Osa Odighizuwa and the Type of Player and Person the 49ers Have Acquired

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So worked on that.

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We are trying to get the latest intel on Osa Odiggizua, a pronunciation that JD has

got crisp right now.

And Danny done is certainly not going to clip for when Papa comes back and we go down

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able to connect.

We did have some great ones in the past.

Have you ever heard the Barclay Jonas Valentinus from a long time ago when he was a young player

in the league?

Oh, Barclays got quite a few of them through the years.

Yeah.

I mean, there's I mean, I'm going way back here, but the one that always gets me is Harry

Carey trying to to Hedecki Arabu.

And that is, that is, that is, I mean, you were, you were probably a baby at that

point.

But yeah, that was, or at least a toddler at that point.

I think that was like maybe 1997, 1998, I have gone down to Harry Carey rabbit hole

before though.

And it's a blast.

One name that's not hard to pronounce though.

That's Nick Harris who now joins us on the Uma Guest line covers the Cowboys for the

Fort Worth Star Telegram and is on the scene with all the moving parts right now.

There's so much for joining us, Nick Greg Silver, John Dickinson on K and B.R. flagship

of the 49ers.

How's it going this week?

I do a fantastic.

Yeah.

Shout out to my mother, easy name.

Yeah.

I mean, come on.

Gotta keep it pretty simple here as we're going through all the pronunciations and Osa

Ozigazua.

So my full time co-host on the show Greg Papa is currently dealing with some medical matters.

He's going to be great.

But we have this whole bit on the show where he's like scared of pronouncing certain names.

So when you guys played, it was Cowboys 9ers a couple of years ago and you had the special

team or Amani Oruaria, he's like, please, I just don't want to have to deal with it in

the booth.

And so anyway, that's all to say it is going to be his problem now because the 9ers did

give up a third round pick to go and get a defensive tackle.

I know Todd Archer was on our morning show and it really sounds like this just came down

to having a bit of a surplus here on the defensive line and with the trade of Micah Parsons

last off season, there were some changes with the team where it just felt like this was

the time to move off the books.

But what can you tell us about the type of player that's going to be coming to the bay

for this defensive line?

Yeah, I agree with most of those points for sure.

And the sense that he was counting over 20 million toward the books in 2026.

And you look at the three defensive tackles that they have on the roster in Quentin Williams,

Kenny Clark, and at the time Osa, the Izuah, they were scheduled to count as 63.8 million

just those three toward the cap in 26.

So something had to be done and we had been talking to Jerry and Steven Jones throughout

the off season about, hey, you know, what are the options here in getting these numbers

down?

And they had talked to Osa, the Izuah's representation in Indianapolis during the combine and

then laid out like, hey, you know, a restructure is probably coming here so we can, you know,

move these numbers around and make it more palatable for the 2026 cap situation.

And then as these restructure started to pass along, Dak Prescott got one, CD Lamb, Tyler

Smith, Kenny Clark ended up getting one.

And Osa, Diggie, Zua did not.

It was kind of reading the TV as far as, okay, Osa, Diggie, Zua could be an option here

on the trade market and sure enough, heard earlier this week that San Francisco had checked

in.

It wasn't only Matt Eberfluse that gave the coast sign on Osa, Diggie, Zua, but apparently

where he more is big fan of Osa, Diggie, Zua.

And so, you know, one he's going to bring to San Francisco.

First off, he's going to be a captain style guy in that locker room.

He was a captain for the Cowboys last year.

A big time presence in the locker room for that squad.

And then on the field, he'll give you three tech.

He can play out some five tech versatility as well.

But this is the perfect conversation about pressures versus sack numbers.

You look at his total sack numbers through five seasons, 17 and a half.

They won't blow you away.

But if you look at the pressure numbers and how he actually does affect the depth of

the pocket, that front depth of the pocket, he is super impactful.

Among all NFL interior defensive lineman last year, he was second and quarterback

pressures.

And so, definitely going to be a piece for the San Francisco interior defensive line,

young interior defensive line, that I think will really be able to help benefit guys

like Alfred Collins and CJ West.

Nick, as you look at his, is he a three down player?

How is he best, best used?

And how did the Cowboys like to use him to maximize his talents?

Yeah, he was a three down player for Dallas.

There were times where he would sub out on rundowns just because he is more of the

undersized defensive tackle, if you will, and his abilities are probably best maximized

during pass rush.

But he does have run game ability and he's able to move in the run game as well.

But I think you're going to see him on passing down more often than not.

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We're going to Nick Harris here on the Uma Guest Line, getting to know the newest 49er

Osa Odigizua.

We talked to Jenna Lane of ESPN yesterday who does a great job covering the Buccaneers

and she raved about the character of Mike Evans of what he meant to the community.

I know that Odigizua is someone who has taken less money to stay in Dallas before.

Obviously, the emotional loss of Marshawn Island in the middle of the season.

He was a proud representative of honoring that legacy with what, you know, the tragedy

of the struck over the team in the middle of having to play a bunch of football games.

What was it like to cover him during his time in Dallas?

Yes, he was always willing to talk after a win or after a loss and, you know, it's really

insightful.

He's a smart player, so he understands why things go right or why they go wrong.

Fans will come to love this guy.

I mean, he doesn't have a huge personality with a personality.

He does show.

He's a funny guy.

He's a big anime fan.

So if there's any anime fans and you run into Osa Odigizua on the street, he'll talk

to the anime with you all day, but just a really personable dude, humble comes from

humble beginnings as well.

And, you know, he carries his family with him.

His mom and his brother, they're more often than not by his side.

You, you wrote, I saw a tweet of yours about just the impact of his leadership and the

way he conducted himself after the tragedy surrounding Marshawn, Neland.

And that obviously was a huge and sad thing throughout the NFL and in specifically with

the Cowboys.

How did he in some ways become kind of a spokesman and a leader for just such a horrific

loss?

Yeah, they needed guys in that locker room that could just kind of pick up the pieces.

And he was an easy one.

He was able to do that and really galvanize that defensive line room.

And for the rest of the season, they, whenever the team ran out of the tunnel onto the field

to start the game, he would be carrying a big number 94 flag.

And he was very open about, you know, the emotions that he dealt with that the team was

dealing with.

You know, and that was the unfortunate part, I think, from our perspective as the media

is like, okay, man, this is a huge story, but at the same time, it's really tough and

human beings lives, you know, have been affected by this.

And so, you know, it was tough to be able to go in that locker room and be like, hey, what

are you feeling?

But also the easy one was right there and willing to do so.

And I really respected that and he didn't have to do that for me to respect him, you know,

and I think at the end of the day, when you look back at that situation, I think it was

the perfect microcosm of kind of the locker room impact that he had while in Dallas.

Well, he may have been more of a quiet reserved guy when he first walked in.

By the time he walked out, you know, he was respected by everyone in that locker room

and he was willing to speak on their behalf.

Nick Harris of the Fort Worth Star Telegram, the voice you hear with us on the Oomeg

Guest Line on Papa and Silver, Nick, how far did the Max Crosby talks get between Dallas

and Las Vegas?

Because I know with that whole situation and then think he was going to Baltimore, then

they backed out of it, James later reported pretty quickly that Dallas had just decided

to move on.

So I don't know if it ever felt that close to begin with, but I see that they're just

moving forward now with Roshangari.

Yeah.

Dallas was certainly involved in those talks, but an official offer was never made with

Ose de Gizua's name thrown in that mix it was and there was conversations being

had between Vegas and Dallas, but it was more so about what parameters of a deal could

look like.

And Vegas understood that Dallas wasn't going to be willing to part with RoshangPix.

And that was the big determining factor there.

And Dallas was like, Hey, we're not going to do it.

Go see if you can find it.

If you can't, we'll be here.

And it turns out that they did.

And so whenever the, whenever the trade got an old and the Ravens backed out on it, I

think you're really important context was that the Ravens consulted the Cowboys team

physician, Dr. Dan Cooper on his knee evaluation and his MRIs.

And so whether the Cowboys had an inside look at what that knee actually looked like to

be able to say, Hey, you know, we probably won't get back into those trading conversations

or if it was just as simple as like, Hey, we've moved on because Roshangari is going

to count 18 million toward the cap this year.

And we've already brought on Jalen Thompson.

He'll probably count 11 million dollars.

And so things of that sort, you know, that's, that's what made the timing really unfortunate

for both Vegas and Baltimore is that, you know, money was already being spent around

the league in the, what is it, four days in between the trade being accepted and then

an old.

As you look at just kind of a general Cowboys overall question, they finished seven, nine

and one.

We're, we're always trying to keep tabs on teams that potentially could be improving

and coming for that nine or playoff spot that they got back in, in 2025.

How close or far away do the Cowboys believe they are from being, you know, a legitimate

playoff team again, if, if not a, a contender because at times they looked really good last

year.

At times, obviously that defense was, was pretty atrocious.

Yeah, and that's going to be the biggest opening factor, right, is that defense.

And however they rehaul that defense, we'll tell the story of how successful or unsuccessful

the Dallas Cowboys are in 2026.

The higher new defensive coordinator, Christian Parker, they feel really good about his philosophy

and his ideologies and not only scheme and putting guys in the best position to succeed,

but specifically right now when it comes to roster construction and putting all the pieces

in place, because man, Christian Parker, he basically bought a house that is completely

destroyed, it's infested with ceramides.

He might have like a really good marble countertop, and that's when Williams and Demardy

and Overshoew and Kenny Clark, but he might, and this is part of it.

Mostly did you do it as part of that marble countertop too, but there was mold underneath

that countertop.

He's going to have to rip that countertop off too and build it up how he, how he sees fit.

It's going to be a long process for him, but if they do it right and they do it the right

way, they really just need an average defense to get into the playoffs because that offense

was so good a year ago.

I'd be curious to see what this defense looks like in week one versus today.

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Yeah, Nick, I was going to get into a very similar discussion with the question I had

for you.

JD kind of laid out some of it.

But I was curious about the conversation around the NFC East from a Dallas standpoint

because the NFC East to me really is the wild card division heading in the next year.

And I mean that in the literal sense, I think you can count on probably two teams from

the NFC North definitely with the NFC West, we're thinking at least two if they can all

stay healthy and stay on track.

But if the NFC East, whether it's Washington, whether it's Dallas, whether it's the trendy

pick of the Giants being the Patriots of 2026 getting back into the mix.

If they can take up one of those playoff spots, that could be trouble for competitive teams

within any of those divisions where it's like, wait a minute, maybe there's not space

for three in a division like there was the last couple years.

Yeah, if you're ever trying to guess what the NFC East division order will look like at

the end of the season.

I think you have better luck just spending a wheel and throwing darts than you would

actually putting thought into it because that is the NFC East every year.

You never really know who's going to end up with it.

I mean, the Eagles were the first repeat champions of the division in the last 20 plus

years this last season.

And that's in a nutshell, that is how much parity that this division does have.

But yeah, you're seeing teams around them improve Washington while they are adding talent.

I, it looks like it's at the sacrifice of some age.

It looks like they're picking up some aging players.

I'm curious to see, you know, what they're trying to do to maximize Jaden Daniels window.

I think the Giants have a window now with Jackson Dart.

He looked really good in his rookie year.

I want to see how they maximize that.

And then with the Eagles, you know, how are they able to keep their pieces in place?

And if they do move on from AJ Brown, what do they get in return?

There's going to be a lot of moving parts with all three of those teams, no doubt.

Last one for you, Nick.

Has there been any noise around George Pickens?

I know that Steven Jones said we want him here for a long time.

They used the tag on him.

There were rumors out there that maybe it would be a tag and trade kind of situation.

Is there any new developments on the pickens front?

It sounds like the Cowboys have no intentions at all of moving him.

And that's as of last week.

And that continues to be what we hear out of, you know, from behind the scenes and the

Dallas for an office about how they view George Pickens.

It's going to take time to figure out this contract situation and to be completely honest.

Guys, I'm not sure it does.

If you were to ask me right now, I think he ends up playing on the tag in 2026.

And then we have the same exact discussion next off season.

But as of right now, the Cowboys have no plans of moving him.

They won't have part of their future.

Well, thanks so much for coming by with us.

Not only the easy name, but a lot of great answers and giving us material to sort through

for the rest of the show.

So you should give him a follow Nick Harris of the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

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ST.

So much.

And we'll connect some point down the line.

Yeah, really appreciate it.

You'll have a good one.

Absolutely.

Nick Harris of the Fort Worth Star Telegram does a great job covering the Cowboys.

And again, I had a pretty early lead on the fact that Osa Odiggiazua might be a trade

candidate for the San Francisco 49ers.

All right.

So he's a big anime fan.

He can give you that front depth of the pocket.

He was second and quarterback pressures.

And interestingly, it wasn't just the Eber Fluce connection, JD, where he Morris also advocated

to go and bring in this player.

And it also sounds like he's just a hell of a human being and a hell of a leader and somebody

that's really going to be a great cultural fit in the 49ers locker room.

In addition to, and I know fans are maybe less concerned about this, although it makes

a player easier to get to know, it sounds like he's a great interview as well for those

that are going to be around the team and covering the team and in that locker room on a

weekend, week out basis or day and day out basis.

So I mean, top notch, it seems like it seems like the Niners are getting a good one by

all accounts, both in terms of the player at a position of need, but somebody and we

know the 49ers are always over focused on getting quality people to add to that locker

room.

And so it seems in many ways, yes, they gave up a third round pick, yes, he is a relatively

expensive player, but it sounds like the 49ers are getting a good one here.

Well, and look, let's be fair.

You always want high character players and it doesn't mean that those who have had their

fair share of off the field issues or have been involved in not ideal situations, doesn't

mean that they can't be productive in the NFL, we've seen this all the time.

But with the unpredictability, say in what they're dealing with right now of trying to figure

out what to do with Brandon, I you can when to release him, you would like the security

of knowing that this is a guy who's not only played 87 of 88 games, but to be a valued

leader in a locker room with again, a lot of young players in that position group to,

I think is a big plus and it's not everything, but it's an added bonus that I don't take

as nothing.

No, yeah, you definitely can't take another thing.

So good stuff there from our guy, Nick Harris.

And again, we'll, we'll see if the 49ers make Osa Odigizua available today.

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