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VDs are bodacious,

and he was a very unique bull.

So a lot of I've seen bulls since do it.

But he was really the first bull to do what we call a dive bump

till he would dive straight down.

And the moment he feels your momentum shift,

he would throw his head back.

Yes, sir.

And Simon Andrews,

who own bodacious,

he's like, you know what?

He's going to kill somebody.

He almost killed tough heaters.

Yes, sir. He dang sure does.

And I remember when he came to Vegas for the world championship

and they turned him in tough.

Tip to tap.

You're sorry.

You're sorry.

I want no more partners.

I probably do the same thing on that one.

That bull, that bull.

That's what was crazy.

We've never seen a bull really that has a lot of,

it's verticals.

Crazy.

I mean, he's off the ground.

He's on your pound and he's off the ground.

Yeah, like you said, he's not a small bull either.

And whenever he comes up,

like your momentum's already going forward.

And then he's coming back up.

Yeah.

Me too, right there.

So he kind of really had it.

I don't really know how you're supposed to ride him.

Just kind of state.

If you're a strong aren't core in your back,

you'd probably be all right.

But.

Yeah.

And I think the thing is,

he got to the point,

like, you know what,

I don't want nobody to tell me.

Because people did ride him early.

Yes, sir, they did.

But once he got to the point where he was really known as boldacious.

Yeah.

When nobody tried to.

Yeah, they would turn him out a lot.

And, you know, they don't want to see that from like people.

You don't want to see somebody get on.

Exactly.

But the risk.

And I think Sammy did the right thing by retiring him

because he was literally going to kill someone.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

No, it was dangerous.

He got close to it a couple times.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

But, uh, uh, Ocho told about he wanted to ride Bushwacker.

Uh, they retired.

I think Bushwacker passed.

He passed away.

He passed away.

He lived right there down the road from him.

About an hour.

Yeah.

And I've seen him for Texas.

Texas, yes, sir.

Yeah.

Uh, and that bull.

Like, I don't know why you want to get on that bull.

It's crazy.

You can see the difference, right?

When you, when you look at bulls and everyone and all bulls come out that shoot.

I have yet to see a bull with that kind of medicine.

Like Bushwacker.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

It was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable.

Yeah.

Who I'm trying to think.

JB Mooney.

JB.

I think I was the only guy.

The only person that rode him for eight seconds.

He saw that ride.

I don't know why.

You know it.

I think I can do that.

Yeah.

I think that's the problem that when you when you gold out on the law, when you look at Bull gorgeous,

you look at Bushwacker, you look at ET, you look at uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Tehanna, you

looking to a some of these boys and you like, okay, they go by well, they go.

But they got a name and when you mention that name, if you're in this board, they mentioned

they already know you already know who they are, what they are, what they represent,

Ben.

But if you have an opportunity to ride here, uh, uh, uh, you know jacket.

Oh yes.

Yeah, Lil' Yellow Jacket.

Yeah, Lil' Small, but boy.

Yeah, that's he grown up.

That was like my bull.

I'd always want to get on was Lil' Yellow Jacket

because like you said, everybody knows who he is.

World champion bull and they,

but he's still daydives pretty good.

I liked him a lot because every time they wrote him,

they're up 96.

Yeah, yeah, he ain't like that.

You want to listen.

I understand those bulls that,

those are the bulls that's going to give you

the opportunity to win the title.

100%.

You stay on them for the full look seconds

because they're mean, they use the term rank.

You know that bull is going to give, he's going to buck,

he's going to spend, he's going to twist.

And if you can stay on him and match his energy,

you getting a great score.

Oh yeah, and that's what, you know,

if you want to be the greatest of all time,

you want to ride those great bulls.

And when you do, that's when you like, oh yeah.

So you said some very interest.

You said in the now they can AI and they can,

they can get a combination.

They want a certain type of bull.

They want a bull that's going to buck.

Obviously they don't, I mean, I don't think anything

with it, with it, with their breeding.

Now, I think all the breeding probably done is artificially

with his horses, where it was, is dog or anything

of that nature.

Because you don't want to run the risk of injuring the animal.

Yes.

Because a lot of times they'll kick the bite

and you get the ridden.

That's the last thing you can.

Yeah.

You, you, you, you, you, you, you mess my bulls up

or you mess, you mess my stud up.

That'll be, we don't have to talk about this.

100%.

So they're, they're not taking any chances now.

And so now, so who, man either,

is he the next, is he the next Bush wacker?

Is he the next bodacious?

Is the next little, little, uh, little young.

So actually, unfortunately, he passed away

the other day, uh, man had a, uh,

yeah, he was in a competition.

And whenever he's bucking, the guy was still on top of me

and breaking his leg.

Oh, and they tried it.

They took him to the hospital or to the vet or whatever.

And unfortunately,

and it was, it was a break where you couldn't fix it.

And, but they, they actually took some semen off of him

and they're, they're wanting to do some AI stuff

and try to get it, try to get the next minute.

Oh, what if, what if they want to take that AI

and get some of bodacious, get some of Bushwacker combined it?

See, that's a crazy thing.

So you'd think Bushwacker would produce really good bulls.

Right.

I'm, I really haven't seen, I've never seen one.

That's like him.

It's funny that you say that because if you go

and study horse racing, the greatest horses

don't produce the greatest offspring.

You get somebody like APN did.

You get somebody like storm cat,

that they won, but not to the like a secretary

or see out of school.

Yes, sir.

Maybe Fusa, I see Pegasus, some of those,

but it's APN did storm cat.

If you go back and trace their lineage,

those are the ones that will produce the best offspring.

You would think, man, secretariat,

oh boy, they might have a clue.

Yeah, no, nothing.

And they just end up being breed something

that you could breed to, you know, just because of the paper.

But the most, like bulls nowadays,

you could probably get one from that,

don't even have no papers, no nothing.

Breed him to a cow.

And you got something special.

Best bull in the world, you know.

You never know.

It's crazy.

When you, when you compete next next event,

you're going to be in it tomorrow.

Here?

No, I go to Billings, Montana.

OK, OK.

Yeah, I ride there tomorrow and Saturday.

And then we got two more events left to the World Finals.

I like it.

We're the world finals this year.

Fort Worth?

Yes, sir.

How many of them?

How many, how many, how many, how many stops on the circuit?

So 19, 19, we start in about November and December,

then go all the way to May.

Wow.

Every weekend.

That's what you've always, that's what we, so how,

how old were you when you first got on the back of your first move?

Six, six years old.

Six.

Your dad put you on the back of a bullet, six.

See, you don't mean him when I was talking to him about, he's like, hey, you ready?

Well, you didn't start with the little sheep first, you know what I mean?

Oh, I mean, I read sheep, but I was like about three, four years old on the sheep.

And then I won a couple buckles and stuff.

And then I was like, man, I think I won really.

I'm ready.

Hey, but you saw what that sheep did.

The sheep bucked them off and came back and like, you see, man, yeah, that's it.

Oh, god, that was funny.

I wish I could have gone on some sheep that buck like that, you know?

That would be pretty fun back in my day.

Yeah.

When you're young like that, you try to win belt buck.

Yes, sir, 100%.

Yeah, that's what I want to do is be a bull rider and whenever the opportunity came

from me getting on the first bull, I didn't stay on him very long, but it was just.

But just a mere fact, the six years old on the back of a bull.

Yeah, it was just the coolest experience ever.

How did your dad convince your mom, like, you know what, man, I think he's ready.

Cause you know, moms are very objective.

Yeah, my mom, she gets, she gets nervous and stuff, but she trusts my dad.

Cause, you know, he's and there he did it.

And he knows he's not going to put you in harm.

Exactly.

He doesn't want, he doesn't want to overdo me.

He doesn't want to push me or push me to do something I don't want to do.

It's always something I want to do growing up.

My mom knew that I was going to be a bull rider.

There was no, no, they're way, you know, so she was pretty, she was nervous, but she accepted

it.

You have siblings?

I have a sister.

Yes, sir.

She's younger than me, but she doesn't rodeo or anything.

Cause that's all I saw this one on IG where she was doing the barrels.

She, she's about two or three years old.

She shook that head off and they let, she let him go.

Let him go.

Yeah.

He rode a bitch.

He lead him around.

She let him go.

I'm like, okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

So now it's like the time to vent stuff, which is barrel racing and stuff like that.

They have age groups for younger girls and they loved doing that stuff.

It's pretty cool.

I think, you know, if you have like a daughter that wants to do that for that at young age,

it's pretty cool watching that.

Like you say.

I like, I mean, I think they're barrel in the cutters where the, where the horse is

trying to, they're trying to go in the, and the, the horse is like, I mean, they're like,

you ain't going there.

You ain't going here.

You ain't going there.

I mean, I've never been to a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

I'm going to have to check that out.

I mean, we need to make it.

Heck yeah.

That'd be awesome.

Y'all need to come out there.

I'm coming to World Final.

Do you need to?

I'll be there.

Come on.

Come on.

The one that's in Vegas.

It's in Vegas.

In, uh, November, it's that six, November, six weekend, yes, it's going to be in T-Mobile.

Yeah.

Yeah, we'll be here.

Cause I want, you know, we got to, you, maybe we could out you on the back, on the back

of something.

It needs to.

You could stay, if you could stay for like two seconds.

Here, you got more finals.

You see what?

Bull.

Cause if we're finals, it's going to be the best of the best.

It's going to be top, top bull.

So you, you got to be like, I want that one.

Yeah.

We're going to get us lined up.

Got it.

Yeah, we got it.

We got to buy one.

We got to buy our own bull.

Y'all need to.

There you go.

Invest.

We'll be going to keep him at.

We'll find someplace to keep him.

I got, I know a guy.

Yeah.

I know a guy in Texas, you know, okay?

Okay.

Okay.

Let me.

All right.

I got to buy.

So I have arena at my house and I actually do.

I started messing with the breeding stuff.

Are you part of collecting?

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

I bought some really good bulls that have, you know, uh, good papers and stuff and I've been

messing with it a little bit.

Well, hold on.

You know, we talking about buying bulls, right?

And I'm very financially conscious.

That's what I'm known for, for, for being cheap.

Yes, sir.

I'll never, whatever you want to say.

How much do bulls cost before I agree to do something like this?

That depends on what you're looking for.

How much paperwork you got on.

Yeah.

Bulls really good.

But it's a young bull.

Yeah.

You won't range about 50 to 100 or 150.

Come on, come on back home to me.

Yeah.

50, 100 what?

No, 50,000.

Oh.

Go ahead.

50,000 being like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

I'm gonna put my money down.

Hey, we get, we get us a world champ, right?

But now world champ.

You're, you're speaking.

I would have failed to see me at 200,000 around there.

But less room saying you, if you invest on like a younger bull that looks like, hey, that looks

like.

You got, you got to have an eye.

Yeah.

You say, you know what I believe it's, it's, it's kind of like the draft.

Uh huh.

You get something, you get somebody in the free agent, you get somebody to lay around.

Right.

I think this guy is going to be something.

Yeah, everybody who ate first, oh, yeah, man, look at him.

Look at him, yeah, you're going to pay more,

and then you try not to be nothing.

I rather just see one that looks, I don't care if it's expensive.

Yeah, I don't care if it's expensive.

I don't look at that.

I try to see the way the bull bucks, if he's going to be good.

That's the one you need to buy, you know.

Now, sometimes the one that's going to be good

is the one that's going to be expensive, you never know.

But it's a gamble.

Oh, yeah, because if I'm not mistaken,

I think Sonny Andrews didn't pay a whole lot for bodacious.

No, it was, yeah, didn't pay a whole lot for him.

Yeah, it was like, I want to say, maybe he got him out

of cell war and be honest, yeah, I'm not too sure.

Yeah, but it wasn't nothing crazy, because as a matter of fact,

somebody had him and they didn't want him

because he wouldn't do nothing.

What?

Yeah, so I heard about that too.

So that's it.

And then it ended up being the best bull, one of them.

It just, it might be my luck.

I decided to take that investment,

and he turned out to be the rankest bull level.

There you go.

And you could sell him for triple the money.

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah, that's a good, it's a good way to do it.

Feeding him is going to be a,

oh, Lord, have mercy.

See, the feed wouldn't be too bad.

If you get the guy, be like, hey, I'll pay the money.

Right, you just take care of my bull.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, they got some acres, they could eat some grass,

but they go eat, they go, you have to put,

they go eat grain, you got it bad.

You got to get them grain, yeah, grain and hay.

You got to be all right.

Because you want them to grow, you want them to be built.

I mean, something that weighed 15 to 18 hundred pounds,

he ain't eating 20 pounds a day.

No, sorry, yeah, easy.

They're getting grain, they're getting,

they're getting fed good, you know,

and that's what's the crazy thing about it.

Bulls nowadays, they're the way they treat them and stuff.

It's better than us.

It's better than me.

Yeah, it's better than me.

They feed them top nine grain.

They got them growth.

I mean, you got, you got what gets expensive

is the care of the beds.

Yeah, bed, yeah.

That's, that's a huge undertaking.

And you only take a bet really if it's,

if something really, yeah, something's wrong.

But, uh, that's the,

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The biggest thing is that it ended up something happening

in the vet build and probably be the most expensive thing

but other than that, it'd be all right.

But if you love the bull very much, it's not expensive, you know?

I like it. We're going to do it.

We're going to do it.

We're going to buy a bull together.

We're going to go have a next bull shark.

You all going to buy the next bull shark.

Yeah, we're going to get this book swagger.

Yeah.

We got to come up.

We got to come up with a crazy name.

Yeah, what would the name be with John?

Nightcap. What do you mean?

The crazy name.

The bull are bored and be named nightcap.

I'll probably make it.

That's how I like that.

See?

I have the name in Doomsday.

He can keep wrecking folks.

We have aka Doomsday.

I like it.

I like it.

I like it.

He's going to boy.

Ain't nobody staying.

Ain't nobody staying on it.

Okay.

We want to boy the eight.

They're going to have to retire

because everybody going to turn them out

because nobody want to see it.

Hey, I wouldn't turn them out.

I'd get on before you.

I'll try them out.

Okay.

Now, if it's something like bodacious, I...

Yeah, boys, later.

I'll watch him.

I beg your professional bull rider, John Criber.

Join us.

He's a two-time rating PBR team's MVP

and currently the number one rank bull rider in the world.

And he's just 20 years of age.

John, thanks for joining us.

Thank you for having us.

Thank you, boss.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Nice to meet you, guys.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah, let's do it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, he is.

Hey, he got the creeps in there.

He got the paymate.

Yes, sir.

He got the paymate.

How you getting started?

Perfect.

We should have gotten the jeans.

They got to be...

They need to be snug.

Because some people have snug jeans

and some of them loose fit.

I like it.

Not too snug, but not too baggy.

Right.

You know, happy medium.

If you get it too tight, you can't get it around the boot.

Right.

You can't get it around the boot.

Right.

You can't get it around the boot.

You can't get it around the boot.

Right.

You know, you kind of want to have it around the boot.

What I do when I get them jeans, I go wearing the boots to it.

Try it on.

If it looks good on the boot, it looks good.

Good.

So I wear airy jeans.

These are...

You don't have...

Have we got airy to make?

No.

But I'm going to leave by having Wrangler.

See, I used to be...

So Levi's...

I used to get sponsored by them and stuff.

And they ended up not wanting to sponsor for that.

Okay.

Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know why.

But Levi's was...

I like Levi's.

I like Levi's.

But airy to my favorite now.

Okay.

That's all I wear.

You all have to...

Thank you, man.

Thank you, man.

Thank you.

You guys, yes.

Thank you.

I just...

Hey.

I give you something.

I know anything about...

About Bulls.

Oh, Joe, I didn't know anything about Bulls.

We had to give you all the inside information.

Being on the farm, it comes and handed sometimes.

Because you never know who we go to get.

We had no idea that John was going to join us today,

but we glad he did.

Yeah.

All right, coming to the stage now.

He's the one-time U.S. Champion, one-time NXT Champion,

two-time in-ex-North American Champion, 2025.

Andre the Jai Memorial Battle, Royal Winner.

That's it.

Carmelo, hey.

That's all the stats I got.

That must be an error or something wrong on him.

That's right.

Yeah.

I'm good, Melah.

How you doing, bro?

Good, man.

Rest.

I mean, bro, that's what you always want to be a wrestler?

I know you play football or something.

Yeah.

So, as a kid, I always want to be a wrestler.

Undercise.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm like, there's no way.

There's no way.

So, I played other sports baseball football.

Yeah.

I did wrestling in college.

I'm not in college, but like high school.

You wrestling it.

So, you, okay.

Yeah.

To get to where I wanted to get to, bro.

And then, I felt completely out of love with it.

In high school.

And I got right back to it somehow.

And God is good.

And here I am.

Here you are right now, man.

How difficult it had to, I mean,

fans are upset that you're not on the card.

Yeah.

Does it get hard to stay patient?

Not get frustrated knowing that because if you talk,

a lot of people that we've had up here says, you know,

the hardest thing is to stay patient.

Yeah.

Because a lot of times people won't instant gratification.

Yeah.

Well, I just started.

I'm ready to do it now three months and six months and even a year

and sometimes it takes three, four.

I think one of the ladies told us it took her like five years to make

to the main card.

So, has it been frustrating?

How have you been able to stay focused and realize that my time

is coming and when my time comes, I need to seize the moment.

I feel like it's staying ready and just knowing that I'm talented enough to,

if they give me the ball, it's guaranteed.

You know what I mean?

I think that's really what my mentality has always been.

Yeah.

You ever heard that phrase?

It's success.

It's not earned.

It's given.

Yes.

I felt like that's a lot, you know, with WWE.

It's, you know, any of anybody really.

It's like until they give you the ball, how will they know if you can score?

Right.

You know, and me until they put you on the field, how will they know if you can make a play?

Right.

I think that's really what it comes down to with what we do.

It's just, you know, waiting, I guess, for the ball or waiting for them to put you in.

Right.

What was your favorite moment?

Favorite moment of my life?

A different challenge.

With the open challenge?

Yeah.

Favorite moment.

I mean, truthfully, probably winning it.

I think winning it, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, come on.

Like, winning it was cool, man.

Yeah.

Like, winning it, like, just filling the crowd, man, going to the top row, filling the crowd,

lifting me up on the top row.

It was a feeling I, like I never felt in the ring before.

Yeah.

And it taught me to kind of start moving with my soul in the ring.

Right.

So like a lot of times, like, I know you guys know we talk about wrestling right in the back

and we kind of come up with it.

But throughout this whole period, I learned to kind of feel.

I don't know how to explain it.

Like, I just learned to kind of move with my heart.

Right.

And the fans started feeling that.

Yeah.

And then afterwards, like, I felt like I gave it my all through, like, my body as opposed to where I'm thinking.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Have you kind of conversation with a trick and oba about, hey, you know what?

We might be the next four horsemen.

We might need to leave.

We need to leave this thing, man.

Not a conversation, but I think it's a silent acknowledgement.

You know what I'm saying?

I think that we kind of all looking at each other, like, they should never give us the ball, man.

They should never give us the ball.

And we knew, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Cream rides to the side.

But you came, you came, you have a lot of confidence.

Obviously, you know, you, all the sports that you did and you believe that I belong here.

How, how important is confidence in this?

It's extremely important.

But I do think it has a lot to do with, and you guys know, man, just being, like, having positive reps.

Yes.

And doing it and knowing that, you know, there's nothing that I'm going to experience that I haven't experienced before.

Right.

And I think that's the cool thing with WWE.

And people's journeys, like whoever said they were in NAC for five years, that's a good thing.

Yeah.

Because it's not one thing that you probably haven't experienced that you're going to come up here and you're not a handle.

Right.

So to me, I mean, that's where my confidence comes from.

It's just being on the independence to get to this point in WWE.

It's a lot of things.

It's just a bigger scale.

You know, I mean, a lot of things I had to deal with on the independence side really just like sent me up for here.

I'm like, oh, this is easy now because I dealt with it in the trenches.

Melo, Melo, how difficult is it?

Because we've seen Ocho and I playing football.

Yeah.

We see a lot of guys, you grade at practice.

Oh, man.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you with everything.

They can't do ball.

They running the ball.

They hitting the hole.

They're doing everybody up.

But when you put them in the game, they can't translate that.

Come on.

You see guys that like, okay, bad at the NXT level.

And they're doing everything right.

Yeah.

But when they get the opportunity, they go to Raw, they go to Smackdown.

And it's like, with Dan, bro, why you can't, why you can't replicate what you've been doing for the last three months, the last three years.

Why can't you replicate that on the big stage?

Oh, bro.

I think that Deon Sanders said it.

He's like, practice how you play.

So play becomes practice.

Yeah.

That's, bro, come on.

That's a good one.

I'm telling you, man.

I feel like I go so hard in practice and then the real show is easy.

Yeah.

Truthfully, it really is.

I mean, I don't practice as much as I used to because I'm like refined.

I got it, right?

But like, you know, now I go out there and that's my practice.

And I go week to week TV.

And then hopefully, you know, when I get on the WrestleMania, that's where it's like, let all that show.

But week to week, it's practice.

Before you made it to WWE, what's one lesson that you've taken for you with you?

That you've never forgotten.

That has helped you transition.

Oh, that's a good question.

Yeah, yeah, to this level.

Yeah.

I think it's just a matter of just being ready for whatever.

I think especially with WWE, bro, they beat Don A thing at you.

And I think it's just being adaptable to whatever and just kind of in the blink of an eye.

And the moment of being able to just adapt.

Yeah.

So adaptability will probably be seeing it.

What has been one of the things that the game that you've had to evolve to survive the main roster?

Patience, as we talked about.

Patience.

Just learning how to handle the lows and how to handle the highs.

I heard something, y'all know the Miz, right?

Yeah.

He told me to really shit, he was like, if you could handle the bottom and you could succeed at the bottom, he goes the top is easy.

That's it.

It's like the top.

You'll be good.

It's people that only know the top that they got to figure out how to handle the bottom.

Right.

And that's where the real challenge comes.

Right.

And it's a roller coaster.

You know what I'm saying?

It's just like everything.

It's a roller coaster.

And how you handle the bottom is.

How you going to handle the top?

When it's all saying done, how would you like to be remembered in this sport?

Yeah, because you look at, I'm going to see him saying he's like, he's pushing 40.

He's about to be, I think he's saying 47.

47.

It wrote 48.

Okay.

And Ray Mysterio.

And you see some of this, some of Randy Orton.

These guys have been at this thing 25, 30 years.

You're a young man.

You just getting started.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean shoot, man.

A lot of people, they want to be remembered for like, I'm the biggest star, right?

But I mean, realistically, bro, I want kids to be like, yo, I want to wrestle like Carmelo A's.

Yeah.

I think that's my biggest thing.

I'm like, because you know, there's not a lot of smaller guys.

Right.

And I think I make probably Ray Mysterio.

Ray.

Yeah, he's Shawn.

Michael.

And Shawn's a guy that when people ask me, they're like, who do you, you know, Shawn Michaels?

Right.

And I want to be remembered as one of the greatest in-ring guys.

Yeah.

And I want to start them thing that's going to come with that's going to come.

Right.

And if they want to make a superstar, they're going to make a superstar.

You know what I mean?

But as far as what happens in the paint.

Yeah.

That's up to me.

That's up to me.

And that's one of the things that I take the most pride in because it's like, hey, they can't

control that, man.

They can't put a, they can't put a ceiling on that.

You know, I was saying they put you out there.

It's all me.

Right.

You know, no smoke of mirrors.

Right.

Glistening glam.

It's Carmelo Hayes.

So I want kids to be able to go, man, when I, when I grow, I want to be a wrestler like Carmelo

Hayes.

Like what's your style?

I want to be like Carmelo Hayes or whatever.

Same way I do it with Sean and with Eddie Guerrero and guys like that.

Right.

But you still get nervous because I think about before a game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Every single time, no matter how many years, year five, year six, year seven, even

when I got to year 10.

Yeah.

When I call that name and walk out that tunnel and everybody screaming that name.

Okay.

I'm still nervous.

I do wonder that.

I got butterflies.

Yeah.

Do you still have butterflies when you make that walk even though you're confident in what you do?

Sure.

Sometimes.

I think it's, sometimes when you don't think and you're just like, all right, we're going.

If your day is going quick and you're just like moving and it's like, oh, my music playing

all right, let's go.

Yeah.

You don't have that.

But if you sit and ponder in it, sometimes you will get nervous because you start questioning

yourself.

Right.

But when you give yourself the opportunity not to question yourself, you're just like, hey, it's

just another day and you confident in what you do.

And also to, I think, nervous sometimes and what we do where it's like so, you know, anything

can go wrong in any moment.

Yeah.

Like, screw yourself up.

Right.

So I do think you almost have to go in with like, you know, I mean, whatever happens, happens

and let's just see what happens.

What's the typical day, the night of a show, you wake up, let's just say for the sake of

arguing, get up at a time.

Sure.

Let's just say seven, thirty eight o'clock.

So what transpires until the match actually happens?

Yeah.

I mean, so we'll get the TV.

Get the TV.

You kind of find out what you're doing.

You know, a lot of times, sometimes you don't know.

That's another thing where you kind of like, I don't know what I'm doing, but that's why I say

adaptability and staying ready, right?

Get the TV.

Find out what you're doing.

Get something to eat.

You know what I mean?

Just mentally getting yourself ready, figure out what the match is going to be, whatever it is.

Right.

All the business of what we do and shit.

And then you go out and perform and then it's kind of just another day, you know what I mean?

When you do a week to a week, it just becomes another day.

Remember looking at the OG's one time when I first got caught up.

I was like, dang, y'all so comfortable.

Like, y'all just really do this.

Fifteen years.

I'm like, y'all just look so effortless.

And now I see why it's just repetition.

Right.

Bro.

Thank you for joining us, man.

We really appreciate it.

Y'all see who deals Carmelo, hey.

Appreciate you OG.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you, man.

Grab this picture right with you.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I feel great.

I feel great.

Shit.

How we doing, Chad?

How's my hair?

I feel great.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But with that one, don't you think?

Okay.

All right, no, but I was saying, I was just trying to tell the note, Charles, we really haven't had a whole lot of time to have to kill because from we signed on in lash and Niel was right here.

And we went to Charlotte Flair and we had Jacob, CM Punk.

I mean, we just, it's just been a continuation which is really, really good.

We really appreciate the WWE for giving us this opportunity, giving us this great stage, giving us the guys and the women to come on.

And so it's been amazing, none of this is possible without them.

So we really appreciate our partners, Tommy John, Ethos, all those people that make this stuff possible, that make Ocho and our job really, really easy.

But for the WWE to ask us to be a part of this, we can't thank them enough.

So thank you again, WWE, TKO, everybody that had a party with nightcap, myself and Ocho, and the team that's done an unbelievable job directing us, getting us ending out of traffic, making sure the reads on point.

So we can't thank these guys enough behind the scenes that you don't get an opportunity to see.

You get an opportunity to see Ocho and I and Joe do what we do.

There's people behind the scenes that really have the really difficult jobs and they make sure things go off without a hitch.

But we want to thank everybody that's been a part of this that made this day really, really special.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And we're back tomorrow too.

So we're back tomorrow and we're going to be on Saturday night and Sunday night to talk about the matches after the end.

So we got a lot going on, we got a lot going on this weekend.

We got a lot going on this weekend and so we can't thank you guys enough.

You was with us late last night and a lot of you guys are in the chat with us early this morning, so we can't thank you enough.

But I can't wait to get home and get me a nap.

I'm exhausted.

You don't want to go to lunch?

You leave it.

I ain't going to wear.

You say you go home.

I leave Friday.

Oh, that's right today.

Are they Thursday?

Yeah.

So you want to go to lunch?

Go to lunch, where are you going to?

Hey, ask.

I don't want to go to lunch for me again.

I'm right here.

I'm right here.

I'm right here.

I got to go.

What's your call?

I got to go.

Oh, you got something to do, huh?

I do.

We do.

I got to get some paperwork.

I got to get some paperwork.

What kind of paperwork?

I go with you.

So the issue got me into.

Yeah.

What time is it?

Oh, yeah.

We got 21 minutes.

We got next.

Oh, okay.

Jibon.

Okay.

We got another.

We got another.

Okay.

But it was great.

Man, I enjoyed talking to the board.

The board writer.

He was amazing, man.

Man, I do look like he liked Twill.

Yeah, he looks small.

He looks small, don't he?

Yeah, he looks small.

He looks small.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's exciting.

That's exciting.

That's exciting.

That's one thing that you do.

You roll man eater.

Man eater is the new buswacker.

Mm-hmm.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

But it's interesting, you know, to hear them talking and he was like...

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It is so true.

And I think the thing is that people think

you breed the best to the best and hope for the best.

Yeah.

And I think you see and sometimes you know,

you see two pairs.

They were great at this one.

And he was, he was great at that one.

And the key is, and then you take,

you take a pair that there were random,

okay, one was okay.

And they produced a super child.

The greatest ever.

Yeah, it's funny.

It's funny how that works.

It is.

It is.

But to hear him talk about it,

he seems so, I mean, so down the earth.

I mean, I know my grandmother and my mom

were not going to let papa or my dad be on the back of the day

and boo at no six years of age.

I like it though.

I like it.

That's the world they live in.

So they're used to it, you know.

So, I mean, I can't wait to get back on there.

But they do allow you, I will say this.

Yeah.

When you grow with parents like that on the farm,

they do allow their kids to do,

I mean, they allow the kids to be sitting there laughing,

driving.

They let them drive, operate machinery,

tractors and bulldozers and things like that.

Yeah.

It is, it is, it is definitely different than parents

that didn't, that don't grow up or didn't grow up in that environment.

Or have their kids around someone in that environment.

So, okay.

We got a very special guest.

We got Alistair Black and Zalena Vega.

Oh, okay.

Hi.

Hi.

Good morning.

Hi.

One on one side.

One on the other.

What's up, what are you doing?

Nice to meet you also.

What's up, baby?

You still have a face on your face.

All right.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Come.

Alistair.

Alistair.

Alistair.

Zalena.

You know, as a couple, I guess what is the most fun thing that you guys get to do?

Because a lot of times, you know, we've heard CM and a lot of people say, you know what,

it's kind of tough on a relationship.

If your partner is not in the sport, so they don't really get a chance to go with you.

But you guys are together.

So you guys kind of get a good chance to travel together.

So you probably don't have the same hiccups that a couple that's not in this would have.

Yeah.

I think, obviously, because we're both in the same industry, we both have the same hopes and the same goals and the same mindset with a lot of things.

I think it came to fruition a lot better.

We don't have the same struggles, as you say.

But that does not mean that there is within the philosophies within both wrestlers and how we perceive our ability to wrestle as different, right?

Obviously, it's a very different human being and character than I am.

It sometimes leaves room for the creativity to be kind of discussed within ourselves.

And my side has always been very creative, whatever it's my presentation or my entrance or my character or my style with her.

She has a very different way of creating and expressing herself.

Therein lies a lot of like growth for the both of us and also a lot of discussion, but it's a good discussion.

I like that discussion.

I welcome that discussion, especially because we have a good marriage together.

For me, it's the same thing.

Plus, I'm a little bit of a hothead sometimes.

It's nice to be able to event to somebody who actually will hear me out.

Understand what you're going through.

Exactly.

And sometimes, if I need help with my magic, I'm like, damn, I need to figure out this one thing or maybe how do I make this different or how can I make this more in the line of what we're doing now?

It's where this darker character goes.

Because for me, I'm like, if I were to bring alias, like Akasha and Sindel from Mortal Kombat as a blend, what does that look like as this character?

So it's just fun to play and have somebody to bounce that off of, too.

Have you had that?

Each of you guys had that wrestle remaining a moment where you realize like, wow, this is the Super Bowl of the WWE.

Yeah.

And we're a part of this that you know, no matter what, 10 years, 15, 20, 30 years from now, you'll always remember that moment.

What was that moment like for you?

When I had my first wrestling experience myself, I remember, because obviously with my entrance, there's the big, the rigged rise up.

And I remember the whole day, I wasn't nervous.

I came fresh out of NXT, we were doing NXT SmackDown and RAW, like back to back to back.

I was tagging with Ricochet.

And I remember I wasn't nervous that day, because in my head, I'm like, if I'm not ready now, I'm not ready ever.

So there were good nerves and I remember just like, and I can still see it in my head.

I have a picture of it as well.

When I rise up and I see, I think at the time was like 78,000 people and I see just lights and all of it on top of this ramp.

And I'm standing, even thinking about, I'm wearing a hoodie, of course you can't see, but even standing on top of it.

I remember just like getting this goosebumps and like, that's something that will live forever, that walk from the top to down.

Obviously having the match, but just that little fraction of a moment where you have that five to maybe eight seconds where you just stand there.

And everything slows down and stops.

And you look out and you're like, wow, if you tell your 15 year old self, hey man, back in Amsterdam, this is what you're going to do one day.

And obviously I would have called myself a liar, but that is a moment that for me will live in infamy till the day I am no longer present on earth.

Yeah, and for me, it was coming out as we just had the first ever Queen of the Ring tournament that I won.

So it's like, it's cool to know that when I open the WB History Books, the first ever Queen will always be me.

Like that's something that I hold so close to my heart.

So it's like getting to do that, hear my name, announce as the first ever Queen of the Ring and coming down the ramp with this really insane, huge crown.

And that was a little film as all of you with my staff and everything, getting to see and just hear my name like that, being said like that was amazing.

And having my family in the front row, like that's, that's what it's all about really is just family and seeing like for me, I came from Queen, so to have them be there from Jump Street till now is just insane.

If you could have, if you could book one dream match for WrestleMania 43, no restrictions, whatever match you won't, you get the call it.

I would say me and him versus EO Sky and Rey Mysterio.

I don't care, that's a good one.

I'm going to be a little selfish here though.

I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little selfish here.

It would be me against CM Punk simply because there's a similarity, there's a friendship, there's a history, there was a love for a specific type of professional wrestling that him and me both have.

And I think we would have the platform and the time to showcase that specific professional wrestling where my style leans very much into technical but the martial arts style.

And his is a technical yet a brawl style with heavy hits.

And I think being brought up in that 80s 90 wrestling with like a lot of like technical grapplers and stuff and heavy hitters.

I think it would be a very different unique blend under the umbrella of the WWE with the WWE flair to it.

Did you always want to be a wrestler?

How did you get, how did each of you guys get into the sport?

I've wanted it to be in the WWE since I was four years old.

Wow.

Yeah, and that's because, so my grandmother's brother, he's my uncle, he wrestled in Puerto Rico for the longest time in me.

He wrestled even Bruno San Martino, so it's been in my family for a long time, my cousin amazing red.

So it's been in our family for a while, but I remember seeing it even just as far back as four years ago.

We go to like Madison Square Garden when I was a kid, so I wanted to do it forever.

But you know, there's always the whole, you're too short to do this or you're too whatever to me, whatever.

And it's so nice to get to prove all of them wrong every single time.

You mentioned you're from Amsterdam, right?

So, when did you fall in love with the sport of wrestling?

Well, so there is no wrestling in the Netherlands.

No.

So I remember I was four or five years old and I'm sitting on the couch with my dad and he's flipping channels.

And we had Euro Sports.

Okay.

And Euro Sports for a brief time had WWF at the time.

Okay, yeah.

And he's flicking through channels and I see Yokazuna.

Okay.

And there's a brief moment.

And I'm like, what's that?

And my dad even stops and then he flicked the channel and I'm like, wait, that go back.

And obviously didn't go back.

Right.

But for some reason that's in a grain into my brain.

And then later on we had New Japan pro wrestling on TV.

So I divulged to the origin of that and I saw two guys fighting in a ring.

I grew up in the 80s and the 90s.

So I grew up with like blood sport and best of the best.

So all these action movies.

So I'm thinking this is fighting.

So my parents put me on karate.

They put me on judo.

They put me on moitai.

And obviously by the age of nine I knew the difference between martial arts and pro wrestling.

Right.

And then I had the opportunity to turn into pro wrestling.

Did that.

And then my main style became moitai and kickboxing as my influence.

And so one helped the other become the become a wrestler.

So both of you guys have been fans of the WWE for an extended period.

Yes.

Yes.

Did you ever dream in your wildest dreams that you would be a participant in the WWE and you'd be on WrestleMania?

No.

No, absolutely not.

I often joke saying like we have to create the mountains to climb over to become a wrestler.

So we have to make them first.

So no, I didn't even think that I was ever going to get out of Europe.

And never coming out the Netherlands.

Maybe Germany.

And then it just kind of kept pushing and pushing and pushing.

So yeah, no, never.

There's something else that you do like.

Actually both of you.

Obviously your life is dedicated to your craft, to your sport and what you do.

But what if you weren't wrestling?

What would you be doing?

What do you think?

Something that if something else that you're passionate about, that you don't have time for because wrestling takes up everything.

So I have a wide array of very unique hobbies.

Yes.

I also do antique trading.

Okay.

And I do a lot of stuff with that.

I do stuff in firearms.

I do stuff in gemstone trading and stuff like that.

So as a kid, funny enough, this is completely 180.

I wanted to be a baker for a while because I thought baking bread was cool.

I know it sounds really stupid.

But yeah, I've always been someone who has like a deep interest in a lot of things.

But I'd definitely probably be more like into like antiques and stuff like that still.

So when you say antiques.

When you say antiques are like like vase vases or.

More like art.

Art work.

Yeah, I collect a lot of like tattoo art as well.

Okay.

I'm a big fan of the history of tattooing and stuff like that.

I would probably found my way in that.

Okay.

Okay.

And I guess for me, something with animals, because I've always loved animals.

And like a bed or something, huh?

Something like that.

Yeah.

And just to end it on the last bit for earlier, I didn't have a plan B when it came to like what I wanted it to.

And use all the animals.

This was it.

And it's mostly because you know, you talk about being a fan, but I had been a fan on my life.

I used to go to, you know, again, Madison Square Garden with my dad and being able to, you know, be there as a kid.

Remember where I used to sit and come out later at a, you know, different paper views or whatever.

It's nice that I get to do that for me, but also to represent my family.

Like I remember thinking to myself at one point, like my dad passed away at 9-11 in the World Trade Center.

Thank you.

And it's nice to be able to be, you know, bringing the United States Championship to like the memorial and being able to have that.

And really on that as well.

I'm sure they sure that would help.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Hey guys.

Thank you so much.

Thank you very much for having us.

Thank you.

Really, really appreciate you guys.

Thank you.

Unbelievable to have you guys on.

Thank you, baby.

Yes sir.

Yes sir.

Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Yep.

Yeah.

Oh, a picture, sorry.

Thank you.

All the best.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Joining us now is a 21-year-old rising superstar known for his high flying agility.

Known as the young OG, a 2025 NXT male superstar of the year.

His debut, Mania appearance.

WrestleMania 42, Intercontinental Champion, ladder match.

Here he is.

Javon.

Hey.

Come on.

You know a little crazy.

Hey, I gotta get you.

I gotta get you.

This is crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Hey.

Hey.

Style, bro.

You, I mean, you all over the place.

I mean, you up in the air.

Hey man.

Hey man.

I'm about to start.

You know, I mean, I'm starting to feel it.

Hey.

Hey.

I need to slow down.

Right.

And you have a background at all in gymnastics or at all?

No.

No, no, no.

I'm just learning how to do flips in the backyard.

Right.

Okay.

Down here.

You feel me?

No, it's too crazy.

Right.

But yeah, no, no.

No gymnastics background.

I just, I did track during school.

I did basketball.

And then started training at 13 years old.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's loud.

When you got called up to the main roster,

do you remember that conversation and where were you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was, uh, it was like two hours before seeing his last show.

Uh-huh.

I'm just chilling.

And then, uh, uh, Russo, or one of the writers,

the main writer for NXT.

He's like, hey, like, uh, Shawn wants to go talk to you.

I'm like, all right.

Boom.

Go to the office.

I'll walk in.

It's Triple H and Shawn.

I'm like, damn, what did I do?

I'm like, uh, so just your last match tonight.

I'm like, oh, damn, all right.

But now I'll walk in.

And then Shawn's like, it's like so, um, you know, you know, we, uh,

just want to say like NXT, you know, it's supposed to be your year.

You know, but, um, you know, fortunately, and then Triple H,

and then Russo, he's like, hey, we're going to bring you up.

You're going to roll.

And I was like, all right.

You know what I mean?

It was crazy.

And of course, you know, they was putting me on and telling me, hey,

like, NXT is still here for you.

Like, you know, don't, you know, don't forget about them.

I'm like, nah.

Uh, I just remember the feeling.

It's like, dang.

Like, y'all telling me this?

I'm seeing this last show.

It's crazy.

Right.

Right.

But it was crazy.

It was such a great feeling.

Did a part of you want to stay back there?

Like, man, I really want this NXT title, too, though,

while y'all booed, y'all.

That's cool.

I got to walk that bad age.

Yeah.

He just a little while longer.

Let me get this title and do make it right.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, no, no.

Almost definitely had those thoughts.

But, you know, Triple H knows who he's doing.

You know what I mean?

But it business for a long time.

So I feel like if he has a feeling that somebody is ready to,

you know, get caught up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, when you, that feeling, obviously, there's excitement.

This is the finish line.

This is the big stage.

Yo.

Is it any, is it?

I don't want to compare it to like getting drafted, too, um, right?

You think we're all the work you put in, the sacrifice,

all the obstacles we had to overcome.

You think that feeling is the same.

Obviously, you see when somebody

at play get drafted, the first thing they do is they cry.

Yeah.

Because they understand everything they went through.

Was it anywhere close to that?

When they told you, listen, we bring you up

to the big stage, anything close to that?

For sure, I feel like I was a little bit emotional.

Yeah, okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was more like, I was, you know,

he'll look excited too, you know what I mean?

Like, y'all just telling me this before I got

a reversal on Cena's last show.

And now I know, you know, this next Tuesday

is going to be my last Tuesday, you know,

be on next Monday.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is fire.

You know what I mean?

Like, this is tough.

Right.

But no, it's, yeah, it's such a great feeling, man.

I'm just blessed to be able to do all this

to the age of 21 for real, you know what I mean?

That's just like, you know, I got so much,

so many years left, you know, I'm just,

I'm just blessed, man.

If it's so, go ahead, I'll tell you.

Now, let's say inspirations that are racking right now.

People you look up to, you know,

most of the time you pull from other people

and they have certain paths that you want to follow

to make sure you continue that same success on that route.

Who would be one wrestler?

I don't know, I feel like, I feel like that's kind of hard

for me because I don't want to,

I don't want to like trace somebody else's footsteps.

Right, right, right, right.

You know what I mean?

Like, I can't.

The trail blaze your own pace.

Yeah, I want to make my own, you know what I mean?

And I do study like the way, you know,

Shawn Michaels got to the top,

the way Randy got to the top, you know what I mean?

But like, that's just for me to learn

and for me to accept and not accept, you know what I mean?

Like the feels they, they did, you know,

like what did they learn?

So now, okay, I know I'm not gonna do this.

You feel me, and I kind of just take that with me

on my own role, you feel me?

Okay, yeah, yeah.

What's been the most memorable part of your rookie year?

My most memorable part of my rookie year?

Oh, okay, okay, I think, I always remember this.

So, my first NXT, my first NXT PLE,

we used the Canada for Heat Wave,

and I was fighting for the NXT Championship.

And I just remember like, you know,

I was gonna use Ethan Page and he was, you know,

I was going to get a truck Williams,

Williams name, Sean Spears, Williams name.

And then they said my name and like, everybody was like,

oh, yeah, whatever.

And that just clicked.

It was like, oh, y'all know who I am?

Say less.

Oh, y'all, yeah.

And then I'm doing my stuff and then match everybody.

Y'all gonna go G.

Y'all gonna go G, and I was like, okay, see?

Now we good, you know what I mean?

So I always remember that.

You feel me, just being able to.

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The being able to have a car that don't know who I am,

turning my favor, feeling it is crazy.

You begin your wrestling journey in 2018.

You know, your name was Jay Malacca.

It's all on us, yeah.

How you come up with Jay Malacca

and then you transition that you the young old.

All right, so we're going to be real, real, real.

All right, when I first started,

I think I had my first match.

It was Jay Malacca, but then I turned it to a name called

Kid Black America.

Right.

You know, I had a dad.

His name was Captain Black America.

You feel me?

And we were just causing a ruckus on the wrestling scene

in North Cacolac, maybe.

But now, so my real name is Malacca.

And my last name starts with Jay.

And my grandma will always call me Malacca Jay, you know what I mean?

And I just remember coming up with names.

I don't start into my trainer.

And I'm like, OK, let's do Malacca kid.

And he's like, you're not going to be a kid forever.

I'm like, OK, you're right, you're right, you're right.

I'm like, uh, let's try Malacca Jay.

Well, OK, cool.

And we had it for one match.

And then my trainer, the next match, he flipped it to Jay Malacca.

And I was like, no, it's Malacca Jay.

He was like, no, it was Jay Malacca.

I was like, all right.

Yeah, you know, I just, you know, started to learn more about myself

and kind of just adding my real life situations,

my real life attributes and attitude to my wrestling.

And I was like, damn, like, the young OG is tough.

Because I, you know, I had OGs.

Yeah.

So I called myself the young OG.

And I used to call myself the two pocketed generation.

Right.

Very, you know, just a little salt.

Right.

Winning the 2025 Iron, the Iron Survivor challenge.

Yeah.

What did that do for your confidence?

It boosted it.

Boosted it for sure.

I feel like I feel like I was, I got to say it.

It was something like I knew where I was going to go.

Like I knew that I was going to get called up soon.

You feel me?

So when we had that, like, when I won all the hell,

I was like, but if I win the NXT Championship,

then I'm only going to have it for a week or two weeks, you know what I mean?

Then go to main roster.

So it's kind of like, like, it boosted my confidence,

but it boosted my confidence for, more for main roster, you know what I mean?

Because I feel like that kind of added a, kind of like a, what's the word?

Like an achievement under my belt, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah.

You lasted 40 minutes in your first row of rum.

Yeah.

Did that prove to you I belong?

Did it show them this care belong?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly, I don't know what it showed them for real, you know what I mean?

I know for me, it was just more of, like,

dang, like, I'm in here with all these OGs, you know, I'm in the ring with people I grew up watching.

You feel me, like, it's such a crazy feeling.

So it did, you know, it did help me out, you know what I mean?

I feel like that boosted my confidence for real, just being able to hang in the ring

and being able to be the last few in a match where, you know,

the last few are like the top dogs, yeah, you feel me?

Yeah.

So it was great.

It was great.

So.

Bro, we appreciate you joining us.

Here you go.

The young OG.

Come on now.

Oh, I appreciate you.

Oh, sir.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, jeez.

I appreciate you.

I'm grasping everything.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, jeez.

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Oh, jeez.

That's beautiful.

Let's wrap it up.

OK.

Hey, hang on.

Yeah, I'm weighed up.

Now, I'll hold it in.

Hang on.

Huh?

I hope you all enjoy yourself obviously I'm excited for

excited for WrestleMania obviously here in Vegas at Allegiance Stadium I would love

to go I can't go because I didn't invite me he won't hang out with me as usual but

I hope you guys enjoyed everyone's every one's story what they had to talk

about today we had some legends some icons especially it's been amazing

it's been really amazing it's definitely been amazing today this is what it's

about I mean look the WWE they a lot of time when you come do this and you do it

and they don't give you the athletes or the people that you really want to

try to help them do what they want to do but that's not what they did today

that's not what they did last time last time we had them on remember we had

we had Triple H and we had Tanker we had Shawn Michael you know Charlotte

Flair joined us again you know join us again for the second time today so it's

been unbelievable WWE has always done everything come on have done everything

yeah here he is a two-time United States champion two-time Mania

appearance WrestleMania 42 six-man tag team LA night the Usso Isle Speed Logan

Paul Austin Perry to the vision the vision LA night man I'm doing great man

I'm just trying to recover from last night what what happened last night we did

we did some I was in my room just doing I read the Bible and stuff that's all

now we're having a good time last night that's all just just getting our feet

wet in Vegas right you gonna be in this match with I mean and WWE is

always done a great job of bringing celebrities and other entertainers outside

of the sport and introducing them into the main event what what's it gonna be

like for you well it's ain't my first time look with Logan Paul back at

2024 you mentioned two-time US Championship I won that championship off Logan

Paul so for me it's kind of our audience gets a little hot sometimes when you

bring in the outsiders and especially when it's somebody who maybe they haven't

paid the dues maybe they've respected the business yada yada but it did try to

get up here to hold on that yeah I'm the pro here slow down yeah exactly and so

we got to slow them down a little bit yeah and you know when you're thinking

about I show speed well I'm gonna show fist right in his face and that's what

we're looking at so it's gonna be a good time but I gotta get him credit because

you talk about the crossover you talk about the appeal there and whatnot and

how we've been very good as a company and making those things work they just

put out a stat I think that the views on I think I show speed got pushed by

Logan Paul into the back of me it's the largest viewed highest viewed clip in

the history of any of our social media clips so I can respect that I can take my

hats off to those guys but at the same time Saturday it's gonna be a hard

long night yeah I mean you think about it man LA the the reach that the WWE have

and you talk about a Logan Paul who's supremely athletic I mean he could he

could really do this full time if he really want sure and in all honesty he's

been putting his heart and soul into it again I can take my hats off to that I

know a lot of people don't like him but the bottom line is he's been showing up a

lot more often he's not as part times he used to be he's in and he's doing it

yeah and it's showing so I mean I at least got to get in promise with that and

then speed with it with the attention and the eyes that he's gonna bring he's

international I mean I mean he goes everywhere and he got thousands and thousands

and thousands of people just following around it's great part of it yeah it's

such a different universe too because it's like you know from being in sports TV

everything now all the streaming and everything it's such a different animal such

a different universe and it's so crazy to see that because it's like I don't

know it's just completely different but it's cool if you can make that work to

where now we can bring the two together his audience come to Caesar our audience

sees him and we got a nice symbiotic relationship there you look at the

involvement I with speed and he's added to the chaos to your match so how do I

mean come like this like I said he Jake Paul has kind of been at this for a

while Logan I'm joking Jake's boxing Jake Jake's Logan is he got busted

Logan is being the same thing having him is gonna be having an eye show speed on

Saturday but after thing is that you're gonna be drinking through a straw huh he's

such a beginner yeah he's not like he's not like Logan Logan has been at this

for a while and so you know you would probably be able to do things and go a

little further with Logan oh yeah then you will with speed yeah but I see him

practicing I see him jump off the top rope and you know because he is athletic

he is and that's gonna get you only so far because when it gets down to the

business exactly are you gonna spare are you gonna give him any grace because

he's new or is it no probably not no no I don't think so look here's the thing you

can tell he's a little nervous about everything yeah you were talking about

with the with the training thing he's doing all the flips and everything that's

his one advantage he's got speed he's got quick he's got a agility the ability

to jump and all that stuff but it comes to like all right well now can you

grab this dude in the hole can you slam can you punch him he kick him that's

part where we're gonna see what he got yeah yeah can you get thrown into the

took can you get turned thrown into the rope and not go through the rope through

it but can you just get thrown in the ropes because look what we're used to

that like me and the other guys but like have you ever have you ever hit the

ropes they've been in a ring no it is shocking like because I mean it's

literal actual rope that is pulled tight as hell yeah and when you get in you

hit it you get nasty marks and well it's just kind of like I don't know if you

were playing guitar anything like that you kind of build up a callus yeah play

guitar yeah yeah all right you built you like those first little bits it hurts

it's got to build up a callus same thing we're hitting the ropes that first time

you hit it you're like oh my god right and then after why you get used to it

used to it he ain't ready for that but what is he gonna get used to the falls

because that's what you really get exactly that's what you know you know like

when somebody slams you you know when you do somebody suplex you or you do

drop oh my god you jump off the top row yeah you know how to like you hit that

ring it's jolt it's it's it's a it's a padding but you know first week of

training like way way back I think I was just popping Advil all the I mean

it was I had a headache constantly because it's just the jarring the neck the

back all that stuff so it's serious business and when you think about that

and a guy who doesn't ordinarily do this that's going to be another factor to

look at you're rise in the WWE feel big organic coming up the fans just

gravitated to you so naturally why do you think that was and I don't have an answer

for that everybody comes up and tells me something different all the time you

know some of some people tell me this that like the guy next door that's me no

yeah usually it's like oh you remind me of like the guys from back in the day

you remind me the guys me attitude area yada yada yada I had a guy last night at

the bar a little tipsy and he couldn't stop telling me to over and over again

right but you know just tell me yeah I like the way you talk all that trash

blah blah I'm like all right man I'm gonna keep doing that so I think it's just

that when I'm out there I'm like in a trance I believe every single word I'm

saying while I'm doing it yeah that being the case there's something in that

that just grabs the people and then you get in that ring you can actually handle

your business now you got the full package with it all together I'm I'm a what

I would call a professional wrestling wet dream right now I'm everything you

want right I think the thing is though is that you might have a greater

appreciation for the WWE because of how much time you spend on the

independent circuit oh sure do you because it's like it's it's kind of like a

guy you know a baseball player you go go to the main the minors but you spend

six you spend six weeks in the minor you have a different appreciation the guy

to spend six years in the minor and it's it's you're talking about not just

appreciation but frustration it's so long being on and outside you're just like

man how am I not here right but in a weird way it worked out just right

good I think if I'd have gotten here too soon too early like I don't think it

would have worked out the way it did because it was just like the way I came in

as seasoned as I did and all of a sudden and you know everybody talks about 20

years to get an overnight success that's pretty much how happened right and yeah

at this point we're riding the rocket ship and it's been three years strong a lot

of people compare your promo style to the rock and stone cold yeah I get a lot

of that and I can see that I hear in the tone and then flex your voice that's just

my voice can't do anything about that you know I wonder though I wonder because

I watched so much of them in high school yeah like I had like you know the the

VHS tapes that like the rock says and on and the stone cold said so so I

probably just embedded that stuff so hard in my head that that's just my my

speaking voice now but I'll hear flare people say piper okay I've even heard

Sean Michaels which kind of confused me at some time but but it's all in there

because I just I took all this stuff in since I was like five years old it's just

wrestling with my life and now I'm living that life either two-time United

State Champion a two-time mania appearance he's one and one and he's going to be

a part of the six-man tag team areas LA night thank you bro man I appreciate you

thank you guys for joining us we'll be back tomorrow at 2 p.m. Eastern right

oh 2 p.m. Pacific so five Eastern all right so we'll see you tomorrow if you're

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