No Agenda Show - 1902 "The MTV Chronicles

0:00Adam Curry. It's Thursday September 10th, 2026. This is your award winning Gipon Nation Media Assassination. Episode 1902. This is No Agenda. I am traveling back from Rotterdam, another one's too awesome, and then back to the Hill Country. So today, for Episode 1902, a special best of No Agenda, these are the MTV Chronicles. Enjoy! And one more fifth for man. One giant piece of man, so. Hey, so I do have one print story, if you're interested. I think we'd share one with the No Agenda audience. One. And this relates to, I think it was 90, 91, and I was in Minneapolis.

1:05And I sent you the link for this earlier, John. I was, it was probably one of the, I've only done three commercials for real products back in the heyday when I was Mr. MTV guy. And one of them was for Sam Goody Music Land, which no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore. It's gone, right? I'm pretty sure it's gone. And the biggest store is at Mall of America, which of course isn't Minneapolis. But I didn't know that was not the biggest store in Manhattan. At the time, and that's, you know, that's where it was going to be done. The store was huge. And so, what together, it's kind of like a spinal tap where I'm pretending to be on a, on a tour, some fantastic tour. And then, you know, how all these commercials, they always have to have a, like a slide. So you can put the current offers on it. And so with, with almost like a completely different voice in the commercial, you hear like, like the bangles. Millie, Millie. Yeah, like all these great people on tour, but it's really the Sam Goody Music Land tour.

2:08And, you know, I'm going around, running around backstage and kind of like spinal tap. This is the best concert I've ever been on. And then I go to the stage, open the doors. And then of course, I open into the, into the store. And that's the stage or something. It's in the show notes and it's one of the lamest things you've ever seen. It fits perfectly. It paid not very much, but it was, I think it was maybe, it was a buyout, maybe $5,000 maybe. It was, you know, not a good deal, but back in the day anyway. So it was there for three or four days. And second night, it's a quarter midnight. I'm in the hotel. And, you know, it was, it was a professional shoe. And he had, you know, everything was really well done, a nice hotel room. And the phone rings at 1145, a picket, I was like, yeah, is this Adam Curry? Yeah. Prince wanted to, wants to know if you want to come to a party is at his house tonight. And I say, let me think about it. Yeah. And he's good because the car's downstairs waiting for you when you are.

3:12Like, this is classy. And this, you know, this is the 91. I was like, it was late 20s and it's a holy shit. It's sure enough there's a car, you know, black town car downstairs and you guys, just no word spoken, just get in, takes me off. And then, you know, we go towards what you people have now seen on the news along the highway. There's Paisley Park and it's all lit up in purple and it's, you know, drive up to the gate, the gate opens and go in and there's metal detectors, which in 91, middle detectors at the airport was, you know, kind of like throw your keys down, you know, your shoes would never go off or anything like that. So it wasn't all that, you know, like, but it was odd. You never saw metal detectors anywhere else except at the airport back in those days. So go into this completely white room, everything's white and it's the lighting's a bit dim, but it's just, all you see is white. There's no real color. It's a, you know, it's a rectangle. So on one side, like the short side of the room, there's a, a DJ standing, kind of on

4:18built up ironworks, you know, it's like scaffolding and he's playing some print tracks. I've never heard my life before along the long side of the room. There's a buffet from end to end and it's nothing but fresh fruit and, you know, juice is, there's no alcohol, no alcohol, no anything else. All just fresh ice sculptures, dripping stuff and wall to wall, beautiful people. Maybe 70 or 80 people. And this is what heavens like. Obviously, you know, this is beautiful people and the healthy food is soda. And to see Minnesota, who knew. And I saw that there was one or two of the extras from the commercial, of course, were all beautiful from the commercial shoot were there. Like, hey, how are you guys doing? Yeah, yeah. So it was hanging out and Prince was standing over next to the DJ, kind of hanging out just off to the side by himself. I said, I'm going to go over and thank him for the party and they went, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. You can't do this. What are you talking about? No, no, no, no, it's a, you're too tall and you're too white. I'm like, are you kidding me?

5:19They, this was really the perception. I really shouldn't go talk to him at all. I was like, fuck that. I go over and I say, hey, hey, I'm Adam. Thanks for inviting me. It's very cool. He says, hey, good, you came and I love the thing you did on Halloween with your daughter. That was fantastic. I really loved how you scared her, but she was kind of having fun. But he had seen everything. And observation, he was not, he didn't come across as timid or shy. He sure was wearing boots, but he also didn't come across as like some miniature man. Just seemed pretty, pretty normal. Yeah. And then I really didn't have much left to say. I was like, hey, man, well, all right. Well, thanks. Yeah. Enjoy. That was it. And then maybe an hour or so later, two a.m., the party's over, which is signified by Princess Guys coming through the, this room, saying nothing, just kind of walking slowly amongst everybody, flashing their flashlights on the ground. And that was the signal to leave. And everyone just kind of flows out. And the car was still there waiting for me, took me back.

6:20And that was just a little private concert hall he had in there. Yeah. Yeah. How big was it? It was really high. So it's, I'd say it would be like the size of an aircraft hanger for, but not, you know, for more like a Gulf Stream, not for a, not for a seven series, anything, but really high. So about that size. And type of high school gym. Three quarters that size of a high school gym. Yeah. So it was, it was a medium size, little hall. That's okay. It wasn't any huge one by any means. Yeah. And there was this other time that I stayed at Dan Hart. Remember, don't Dan Hartman, do you remember him? No. He had relight my fire. I can dream about you. No, remember? No. Oh, you know, how about Edgar Winter, free ride? You remember that, dude? Oh, yeah. Okay. So he played in the city a lot and Dan played, based for them. So I was, I was staying at his, at his house one time in Connecticut, friend of mine was

7:24recording at his studio at home, which back in, you know, like the early 90s was you had an SSL studio in your, at your house, that was crazy. And but he had bought this with the studio from someone else SSL means solid, solid state logic. Those were the big, you know, the 24, 48 track mixers before we got into real full digital. But these were solid state. And that was a big deal back in the day. And he said, you know, I bought this place and I, above the studio in the attic, I found all these boxes and somehow these are all masters, prince masters of him in the studio. But you know, not in mix. It was just the 24 track tapes. It was on basis. I'll put it on. He listened to us. Unbelievable. You hear prince, you know, setting his own mic, setting his own levels. It was mind boggling how good and shit you never heard before or have ever heard again. I guess who knows what I'm up. Did you ever fly Concorde? No, I missed that. I flew that four times. Did you poop on it? Fail, yeah. You could times why would be the point?

8:25Let me tell you though, that it was not a not a luxurious poop. The Concorde was very uncomfortable. It's like a little tube. I could barely stand up in the entire plane and the seats are very narrow and they, although the leg room is nice and there's no movie or there was no movie because it wasn't enough time to start the movie. So basically you just sat there getting warm because at a certain point about two hours into it, the fuel is depleted and the fuel is actually, was actually you, sort of talking the past tense, to cool the aircraft down which extends and flight it actually grows. And to top it off, I had a drunken lismanelli behind me chattering the whole way. It was annoying. Life's tough. Yeah, at least I didn't pay for it. Did you know he was a huge collector of Texas art in particular, Alamo related art? No. Phil Collins. Wow, that's odd. Yeah. He has a whole collection of it. Sudeo. Sudeo guy. Yeah.

9:26Or one more. Well, the Genesis guy. Phil Collins, Phil. Phil. Phil hates me. He hates you. Yeah. There was a period in the 80s where we would always be bumping into each other. I'd have to interview him if it wasn't, you know, at some, at Wembley Stadium for some kind of, you know, one of those benefits shows he would be in my studio. And then a certain point, he just say, Oh, Curry, too tall, too much hair. I hate you. And he would walk away. Huh. Yeah. It was loving. It was loving. I think it was love, a form of love. Yeah. It was in the air tonight. My favorite Aussie Osborne story. And I don't remember if it was he that told the story or if it was one of the, uh, true guys. But he had a, um, in one of his concerts, he decided to have a catapult kind of behind. Yeah. A catapult kind of behind the band.

10:28And it was held down by these, these, I guess, uh, rubber, uh, if you're rubber bands, hold downs. And it was going to be a, I guess a rubber band is going to pull the thing forward. And the, and the catapult in the, in the catapocket that was filled with chicken guts. And the idea was that they were going to release that some point in the song. They were going to release. They're going to cut it loose and the catapult is going to fly forward and throw chicken guts all over the audience. Nice. But what happened was Aussie ended up, they had a guitar solo or something that ran on way too long. And the rubber bands got kind of stretched and loose. They didn't have enough oomph to make the thing fly. So according to the story, the catapult flies up and kind of just drops all the chicken guts on Aussie. That's a, that's a good one.

11:28It seems like a believable story. Maybe I should, I've told her before. Maybe I should tell my Aussie story since people are always complaining. I don't talk about my old MTV stories. Nobody's complaining. No, I got, I got an email the other day saying, hey, hey, you need to talk about some stories here. You know, you're still the only thing where you lifted a show waiting for some stories from you. Tina is great. Hey, tell the print story. Yeah, yeah, tell them a Donna story. Yeah, yeah, tell the Aussie story. So I'll tell the Aussie story. People have heard it, but I'll tell it again. Moscow music piece festival, you know, the big CIA up. We all went to Moscow and to get the kids to love the scorpions just before the wall came down. I'll just cut straight to the chase because I didn't know that at the time, but it makes a lot of sense now. So we leave from Newark Airport and it's a, it's a crappy, I think it was a stretch 727. Remember those was it 727, 737, the stretch. No, no, they knew it was just 27, 27 stretch, which looks like I think it's snap and half

12:29at any moment. They were funny looking. Yeah. And so that's what they chartered. Doc McGee. I should mention the whole reason for the concert is because Doc McGee who managed Banzhouvy and Motley crew at the time, his leader, Jet had gotten busted in Florida, bringing like some unbelievable amount of marijuana into the country. And so they got to him and they said, hey, instead of what's that in your mouth on this picture, they said, look, why don't you organize a concert for us in Moscow and bring all your bands over there and then we'll sigh up the children. By the way, the kids in Moscow, this is 88, I think 88, 89, had no idea who Banzhouvy or Motley crew were. They had no idea who Skid Row was. They didn't care. You know who they knew? Ozzy. They knew Ozzy Osborne and they had all these bootleg cassettes that came in from Pakistan and they knew Ozzy. So we're on the plane. It's a crappy plane. There's no one's in first class.

13:31Everyone's annoyed and everyone's on edge and of course this was supposed to be a... Hold on, the part of the story that I didn't know before. I don't think you told that part before. But this stemmed from a... From the guy getting busted and the CIA coming along because they wanted to do this... They needed to do something in Moscow and they needed a front. Yeah. No, well, the whole thing... The whole thing? The whole thing was to get the... Remember the scorpions were there. The scorpions were a German band and they had the wind of change, which is the only hit they ever had that they didn't write themselves. Coincidence. And that was the wind of changes. And that was the big anthem when the wall came down, not by the year or a year and a half later. So there's all kinds of theories of... There's an op involved. There's a definite op involved. But I'm the only person from MTV who goes along.

14:32I like this dynamite. So... Like I mean, you're the only one. Because... Wouldn't anybody... Wouldn't somebody else want to go? I think they only offered it to one person. And I did headbangers' balls, so I was appropriate. You know, I was the guy. And I had the hair and everything and... I don't know. I'm happy that they told me to go. I'm sure... You know what? I'm sure that downtown Julie Brown was not having it. She's like, no, I'm not going to go to Moscow to Russia. Of course, this was, you know, still iron curtain stuff. So anyway, we're on the plane. This whole concert, this whole affair is built as a... Anti-drugs, anti-alcohol concert. That was the front. Like we're doing this because we're going to show... We can have good, clean fun... To the Russian kids. Cute. And we're on the plane. Everybody's hammered. They're drunk as skunks, all of them. And Ozzy was there.

15:33Giza Butler was there. Tommy, you know, I mean, there was a lot of Black Sabbath was there. Whatever was still alive, or barely alive. And Sharon, who at the time, this is way before the Osborne's reality show. This is way before O'sampic. And Sharon was a big, roly, poli British housewife. Now, she was tipping the scales. And she's like, oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy. Very timid. Didn't have the big mouth that she has now. And so at a certain point, Ozzy gets up. And he has to go to the bathroom. He's like, oh, he's up. And so there's a laboratory that you got his voice down. There's a laboratory midsection of the plane and it's occupied. Because we're kind of in the second, the back half of the plane. And so Ozzy's standing there, shhhhh, shhhhh, shhhhh, shhhhh.

16:34And she's like, oh, Ozzy, just why Sharon. And what does Ozzy do? He pees his pants right there in the aisle. Probably the saddest thing I've ever seen in rock and roll ever. That is pretty pathetic. And that's my Ozzy story. That's an uplifting thing. Well, this does give us a unique opportunity since we have more than one. Ladies and gentlemen, the no agenda in memoriam segments. I went back into the VHS archives because in show business, you get to say, yeah, I worked with him. Don't you have that? Oh, yeah, no, I work with him. Great guy. Big fan of his work. Big fan. Big fan of his work. Yeah. So we first, I have two clips. We go back to 1988 to the plane ride to Moscow,

17:38known as the Magic Bus or the Get Doc McGee out of jail free trip. Here's Adam interviewing Ozzy. Headbangers ball continues from the Magic Bus on our way to the Soviet Union and no strangers to the ball, of course, Ozzy and Zahak guys. Good to have you aboard. Well, are we aboard? It's like a flying madhouse. Are we actually flying? It's a car, and I haven't checked recently. I don't know what the pilots do there, but it's flying on all the different. I hope it's on an automatic pilot, because I have no humans. I thought you were flying it. Oh, I think I was at one point. So you just finished up the complete world tour? Yeah, just in 13 months. We do these two shows in Moscow, and we're up for about a month or so, and we're starting to recall, you know. Yeah. So, to understand Pete Town is in one of the back clubs, it's in a Samford booth. Ozzy, we're going to take a look at breaking all the rules. I think you want to say about the video. Oh, it's all a fun making it. Yes, yes, in-depth questions during this interview.

18:38Ozzy, was it fun making the video, Ozzy? I had every single rock radio station in America call me, yes, they say. Hey, man, hey, you work with Ozzy, right? What was he really like? Oh, man, we had such good times together. Yeah. But then, then, oh no, we have Hal Kogan. 71 is definitely too early, and I was able to retrieve from 1993 the infamous Rocket Car of Death during Circus of the Stars as Hal Kogan and Adam Curry worked together and loved each other's work, big fans, big fans. Hi, I'm Hal Kogan here at Universal Studios, Florida, where Adam Curry thought he was taking a break from music videos. However, we're putting him right back into MTV, and that stands for Muto Terrifying Vehicle. Yeah. He'll take the ride in his life in a 600-pound rocket car. Traveling at roller coaster speed, he'll be cow-pulled into space, dropping 50 feet

19:41on his way to a fiery, frightening crash landing. Are you ready, Rocket Man? Yeah! Muto Terrifying. Everybody, let's begin the Catacombs down. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, let's go. Wow, is he okay? I can't see. Oh my god, let's keep our fingers crossed. There he is. He's giving us the signal he's okay. He's okay. He lives. Adam, how'd you like to see the regents all you do in slow motion, dude? Yeah, look straight to look at it, Gray. Oh, what a ride that was. That fire would show up hot.

20:42That's where I got the headache, Rocket Man. MTV's macho terrific, wonderful Adam Curry. It'll be more circus fun coming up right after this. Right after these messages. You got roller coaster speeds. Yeah, I don't know. Well, yeah, it was roller coaster. Roller coaster average about 45 miles an hour. Yeah, it's very terrifying, John. In my rocket car of death. You should post that video. It's on YouTube. No, it's on the YouTube's. Yeah, 1993 circus of the stars with my co-host, Deer Drahol. Boy, I've come a long way. Yeah, if you kept in touch, if I kept in touch, at least Hulk Hogan will go to heaven. We know that. That's a good. I don't know. I've been to Moscow. So Moscow, you go into this airport, which was I think new at the time.

21:45And the place is dark. I mean, literally dark and there's gypsy kids running around all over the place, pickpocketing people in the terminal. What year was this John? What year were you there? About one year before the fall of communism, which was some of the time. Oh, me too, like 88. 89. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that's when I was there. Oh, interesting. Yeah, well, I wouldn't have been able to see it. Because it's so dark in the air. I'm in the terminal anyway. I'll be wearing the red rose. The funny scenes would be size the kids running around. There was also one in the entire airport. There was one automatic door that opened and closed. A lot of people ended up. And it was surrounded by kids who kept jumping up and down on the thing to open and close the door. Yeah, exactly. So you could go ahead. Go ahead. Well, you're right. It wasn't like an August base or like electronic eye. It was a mat. It was a mat pressure. Pressure mat pressure mat pressure mat that would open it up.

22:47Right. So it's just so you can't get out that door. And meanwhile, they I talked to somebody about this. Why the places so dark by the way and some guy told me that well, the deal is that it was designed by a German company and they specced out all these lights. There's all these little bulbs that were in set and kind of cans. The whole ceiling was covered with them. There was no light coming out of them. He said, the German spectacling us to a certain wattage bulb, not to a certain aluminum. And when they use Russian bulbs, they got about half the lumens out of them. So the place was pitch black. I was there with the Moscow Music Peace Festival. You remember that? No. That was a. Do you want to get this story? Are you interested? Yeah, yeah, no, sure. Okay. So Doc McGee. I don't know if that name means anything to you. He was a very famous manager of bands. And in the 80s, he was the manager of Bon Jovi Motley crew. Well, those are the two big ones. And he had been caught.

23:49I don't know if he was I think that either he had rented the Lear jet or was registered to his name. There was a Lear jet that landed in Miami with like 5,000 kilos of coke. And so we got busted for it. The judge gave him kind of a get out of jail free card. And he had to do some great community service. So the idea was he would do an anti drug, anti alcohol concert in Russia. And of course, this, you know, this went up to some pretty high levels because this was a political thing as well. So he's clearly well connected in all the right places. So off we went, and this I think it was 88 in a rented DC eight, some crappy, crappy plane. So Bon Jovi Motley crew, Ozzy Osborne, but with the, you know, the other black Sabbath guys, Giza Butler and it was a Tommy I only and, oh man, it was a skid row. We stopped in Germany, picked up the scorpions.

24:52And then we landed in Moscow and it was for this huge concert that would be held in Lenin Stadium. We were in the hotel right near Red Square where they actually turned on the hot water in that part of the city as a gesture to their guests. And I could probably fill up three no agendas worth of stories about that trip there. But I'll just give you one that was pretty cool. Because of course, you know, this was the, you know, the two stories. This was the anti drug, anti alcohol concert. So on the plane, on the way over, and this is when Sharon Osborne was still just a little rotund kind of pale, no, no personality, having English girl who was managing Ozzy Osborne. So she was on board. And Ozzy was completely, I mean, completely plastered. Everyone was plastered, but Ozzy was really, really out of it. And he's standing near the laboratory because we were all kind of sitting together.

25:52And he's like Sharon, Sharon, I got guys, someone in the blue, Sharon. Because someone was occupied. And Sharon's like, oh, Ozzy just wait. So he wets himself right there, right in the aisle. You know, this is just like, you know, like a, like a second grader, a huge white spot, a huge wet spot in his pants, which really kind of set the tone for the rest of the entire trip. But then what is it? What, what, who would pick that guy to go on an anti alcohol tour? Is my point. Oh, like the Motley crew guys were cool, you know, or Skid Row. Come on. Exactly. So they're like four nights or five nights. So on the second night, which of course, consisted of lots of vodka and just brazen drunkenness. It was crazy. The Moscow chapter of the Hell's Angel showed up in front of our hotel. Didn't know they had one. And remember, this was still before the wall came down. They were on Java motorcycles, you know, these Yugoslavian built bikes and they were out

26:53of their mind, Sean. They were like pop and wheelies flipping off the back. It was just, it was like being in a fucking movie and I'll just never forget. It's like, wow. You have this idea of what a communist state, particularly, but, you know, Moscow would be like and you're there. And it's just there was no control. It was mayhem. I looked at their technology. The technology was like old gray Volkswagen buses with curtains. This was supposed to be the highly technical KGB that could, you know, ease drop on everything and have superiority over the world. No way. Well, I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan when he became president. He was shaking his fist at Russia and he called him the evil empire and he went on and on and on. He did this for like a Mr. Gorbachev bring that wall down. But then he went to Russia and he never, he went to Russia and he was almost like he went to Russia and had an epiphany and he never, ever against anything about the evil empire. Because he saw it because it's not there, right?

27:54Yeah, he saw it was a big bunch of bull. I mean, I, I noticed it. But I was staying in the mirror hotel and which is the cross from that Russian, that white building that got, you know, she had a shell. And got some nice photos and, and they had mics in the room that were obvious because the mirror used to be, I guess it was, it was the diplomats hotel for a number of years and it became a public hotel for them. Well, they're like big sand hizers instead of microstop. It was like, no, they had, they, they were, they were big clunky mics, but they, they had been, they had been painted over so many times because the room kept getting repainted and they were all just a gob a paint. And what's that bump there? It's a big bump, a gob a paint. And every floor, there was a woman that was the floor woman that you had to check in with. They never really did any security. But you were told before you went, if you did you do diligence, you had to give them gifts constantly. Oh, yes, the floor lady. If you wanted a toilet paper or if you wanted to make a phone call.

28:58Yeah. And you, so you had to drop off toys. So generally at the time, the most valuable thing you could give to you besides cigarettes were like, I was told this and they got to kick out because most of them had kids and they, these little Tonka toys or these little mini things, those little hot wheels, those little things. Those were like gold in Russia at the time. Yeah. And so you give them with the hooker boat. Did you see that when you were there? Well, when I was in Russia, Soviet Union before the wall came down, they told me, whatever you do, don't insult the Kremlin. So Sebastian Bach and I, Sebastian of Skid Row, we went, we were drinking vodka on Red Square at 3 a.m. and we were trading t-shirts for some of those cool Russian furry hats. We didn't get arrested. We were there with Aussie. But you could have been, could have several episodes ago you guys played a clip of Gene Simmons from Kiss and Adam said he had a Gene Simmons story, but never spilled the beans.

30:01Do you think we'll get more donations if I tell a Gene Simmons story? Well, I don't know. Is it a good story? It's a kind of, it's kind of okay. Well, tell it. So Gene Simmons at MTV, you know, in the MTV days when I was there, he was managing bands. And you know, it's notorious at MTV and I've said this many times is the, you know, your video didn't really get played like because it was good. It was a deal, you know, if we, if we wanted Michael Jackson on the video music awards and, you know, whatever Sony pushed on us, we'd play that in the so called buzz bin, which is supposed to be this hip little thing, which of course only played at 2 a.m. So Gene Simmons being the, you know, kind of the brash guy that he is, he could not get it one of his bands played. So he burst into the music and I used to be at the music meetings until I found out that it was a total scam. He burst in with knee pads on, jumps up on the table and says, who do I have to blow to get my video on this network? And so who did he blow? I was smiling all the way back to the studio.

31:04I so believe this. I so, so, so believe this. You know that this happened to me once? What? Did I tell you the story would this happen to me? This exact same thing. My own water gauge. Did I tell you the story? Yeah. So I just started at the television. I was 19 and I was on television in Holland and I was like super, super, it was only two stations. So it was like, everyone knew me. And I went to go interview the Rolling Stones that we're talking. And it was like 19. John, this is 1983 I think, 84. I don't know. So I go to interview the Rolling Stones in London. And we're in London and it's like, I want these shoots where they're all like rolling around and it's hard to get them into the room and everyone's waiting. And we're talking tape, right? We're talking analog. We're talking clapboards. You know, this is way back in the day. Please, you know, forget that you're in 2012. So finally, you know, the guy stumbled in. It was Keith and Woody. They fall into the room. Like, hold on a second to go into the bathroom. The snort and coke off his bowie knife. You know, like, ah, so they finally sit down. You know, we do the interview. It was great because they were completely hammered.

32:05And then my producer says, oh, man, let's take a picture because we can get this on the front page of the newspaper that you did an interview with him. Great promotion for the show. And no one had a camera. Can you imagine this is 1984. No one had brought a camera, but I had a new one of these newfangled Kodak disc cameras in my briefcase. Remember those? That disc. Yep. They had a disc. Right. So I say, oh, I've got the Kodak discs, which by the way, crappy photos. They took really crap photos. Yeah, they were little bitty negatives or dinky. Yeah, like a view master in a jacket. Yeah. So they take a picture. And we go back and we're, and so we have a service. And the service is the Dutch broadcast and corporation where they would actually take, it's called the press bureau. You would give them your film and they would have it developed. And then you know, then they'd send it out to the newspapers, et cetera. So I gave the disc to my producer. And at the time I was dating one of the, well, she, she would adjust on it.

33:10I'm already seeing where this is headed. She had just started to, she was an announcer on television. They had these announcers in between the, it's very much like the BBC does with voice in Holland. They would have an announcer and she would sit there and say, oh, coming in. Coming up next, we have this show and this show after that. And then she would go away and then she, she'd come in like kind of a disc jockey of television shows and really pretty girl, Carlyntense, everyone in Holland, no's. And, and then I was like, oh crap, man, I took pictures of her with the disc camera and they're not, they're like not flattering. They make it pictures. And so we broke into the press bureau that night to retrieve the disc and then have it developed somewhere else where we could actually, you know, get rid of the, the prince evidence. The evidence. And it was, and I still have these pictures, which is the best part. I've carried them with me through two marriages. What? What a, what a pervert. But these things do happen. And I totally believe that.

34:10How can we find out more about Nixon? This is great. Well, I don't know. They do, I think all the guys involved with that. I actually, anyone of the, the, the, I don't know how many of the burglars would have been privy to the real target. I think probably that, that, that creepy guy that was always claiming to be, all kinds of, you know, super spy that used to light his hand on fire. Kind of what is his name? G Gordon Liddy would know. But then you can't trust what he says. No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's verifiable. I love it though. You're going to tell us the Madonna story. Oh, the Madonna story. Jeez, I'm glad you reminded me. Yeah, well, you were wandering off like, like you were trying to avoid it. Anyway, go on. It's not, it's not all that big a deal. So the way it works is you sit down in the press office in their little cubby corner couch so they can all listen in on the speaker phone, make sure you're not saying something horrible. And it's always so you knew the new VJ is great.

35:12You know, so this was not alive in, in studio interview. This was with the, well, no, TV guys, TV guys, the magazine. So it was, yeah, they were interviewing me about being the new VJ on the scene. Oh, okay. All right, go on. And so, you know, you've been doing this because I've been working in Holland and I've met lots of celebrities. And so what did you think of Madonna? I said, man, she's not really that nice. Well, hold on a second. Why would they ask that question out of the blue? Because MTV, no, it wasn't out of the blue. Just like, okay, you've been working in the television, you've been working music television, you've met lots of people, you've done lots of interviews. I was, so what do you think of Madonna? Yeah, so it's not that nice. Oh, I thought they were going to shit a brick. And they like hit the mute button. You can't say that. If you say that, you can perform on the video music awards. Oh, you know, those deals they would do. Yeah, you were just, you were, you were being too honest.

36:13Yeah, exactly. You don't want honesty. Nope, nope. That was for working higher to be honest. It was not your job. Wrong thing, wrong thinking. You're hired to be a talk any had. Nice smile a lot. That's exactly it's shut up and smile a lot. Boy, exactly, it's exactly what it was. I'm sorry, yeah, they, they, and they hated me. They never got pressed for me again after that. I was not to be trusted with press. Well, it was a screw up. No, it was honest. Yeah, it was, it was such a double standard. Yeah, I don't want to get into it. And those are the same people probably with the same mentality. They're writing those notes and face bag. Certainly. Bits in about one thing or another. Same thing because they can be honest there. Yeah. So they're expressing themselves. Yes. It's a private face bag group. So yeah, I guess they can be honest there. Yeah. So you know what's going on in the background of all media.

37:14Yeah. So actually, so there's one woman in particular, and I'm moving on back to the education stuff. If you're okay with that. Yeah. I'm just wondering if the story. Did I ever tell you the story when I flew to LA with Sean Penn? No. So I've been hoping for anecdotes on this. Yes. This is back in the MTV days. Yeah, probably 80, 889. And there was a fabulous, fabulous flight between New York and Los Angeles and Los Angeles in New York. That's all it did twice a day called MGM Grand Air. Oh, yes. That was an interesting plane. And MGM Grand Air was a 727 or 737. I don't know. It was a two way. It was a longer plane. It was either a 27 or 27. And you could only, I think it was like 50 passengers. Of course, MTV paid for this because they needed to get me out there. It wasn't that much more expensive than a regular ticket, actually. And so it had a bar. It was all captain's chairs and then state rooms. They're like four or five state rooms.

38:14We could sit three people on each side. A table could come up so you could eat. The doors could close. Now, I'd been in those ones before. Like a train. Like a train. I'd been in those ones before by myself and it was fantastic. I had this, you know, because you can move the two benches together. You'd have a huge double bed. It was great. But this one time I'm in there with Sean Penn in the state room with his brother, the one who died. And Sean Penn's mom and it was weird. You know, first of all, his brother, what's his brother's name? I don't remember. He was drinking beer out of the can, taking his shirt off in the plane. Just bare chested there. The mom was just very quiet and it was really odd. Like, hey, how you doing? Hey, you're that guy from VH1, aren't you? I'm like, oh, Jesus. VH1 really hard. It must have been the greatest source of your life. Yeah. So I said, yeah, that's me. Hey, what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking.

39:14And he said, he'll have no fury. And then we pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of the flight. Very, very bizarre. So he never got into a conversation with him. No, this is sad because I knew him. I sat down with him for an hour for a live radio interview and he was a very interesting guy. Legendary producer Quincy Jones, a giant in the entertainment industry, has died. He leaves behind a legacy highlighted by work with some of the biggest stars in American history. Jones was born and raised on the South Side of Chicago and he ascended to become one of the first black executives to succeed in show business. He arranged jazz records for the likes of Frank Sinatra and produced, of course, the hit Michael Jackson albums off the wall, Thriller and Bad. He also discovered Will Smith while producing the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He won 28 Grammys and Emmy and an honorary Academy Award. I feel like the most blessed person on the planet to have come along the path that I came

40:14to musically from 13 years old, starting with Ray Charles at 14, he was 16, going to talk Terry and bass and Lennie Carter, everybody, Billy Haberdale, Louis Armstrong all the way to 50 cents. Wow. Quincy Jones died last night at home in Bel Air surrounded by family. He was 91 years old. I always thought Thriller was one of the greatest produced albums in the history of music. This fantastic. He, but he produced Lena Horne. I mean, he, he's old. He orchestrated it. I mean, but still just the body of work, he orchestrated, yeah, he was talented for Sinatra. He was, yeah, so I had a live interview with him in the early 90s on Hit Line, Hit Line, USA coast to coast. And I was like, you have a copy of it. I wish I had a copy of it. Oh, you didn't keep it. And the producer Dana Miller, he died a thousand years ago and so I thought that they're

41:19driving dead. If anyone knows and and he was the executor, the producer, his name was Dean. I forget his last time. He went to jail for some real estate scam. It's a real estate fraud. So I have a feeling that endless summer entertainment archives no longer exist. But I do remember this interview was said he has in their basement, hope so. It was set up in a studio, like a recording studio and it was dimly lit. There was a table in the middle, two chairs, two mics. And I'm there. I'm like Quincy Jones. Like, what am I going to ask this guy? This is, this is quite the talent. He comes in with a bottle of Latour and he slaps a guy and says, let's have a great hour. And we drink the bottle of vintage. Oh, I don't remember Quincy was a real. But you were. So when I was at MTV and we would, oh, none of this was rarely was anything live.

42:23We would tape segments. And on Thursday, we would tape for the weekend. That would be called a 48. So we tape our segments, which is essentially the lead ins, the intros and the outros, the videos without the videos. And that would be put together later by the tape jockeys up in Long Island. They'd literally start a pneumatic with my segment and then start the second pneumatic with the video. And this was the, we had made a deal. This is how it went. Made a deal. We would give Michael Jackson the planet. We would receive the planetary premiere of, I can't remember which video it was. And this became competitive because we had not purchased BET at the time and BET. They would, they would, you know, whoever could dedicate more airtime. You know, it's a commercial deal, commercial deals. And then we threw in like a video, music award, appearance, all this stuff. And so it was Michael Jackson weekend for the planetary premiere of whatever video. And you know, so you work a full day from nine in the morning until five at nine. And you're doing segments throughout the day.

43:24There's a lot of coordination. There's changes. I mean, yeah, my life was really hard to be an VJ. But it was, you know, actual work. And then Friday, we would typically only do a 24, which would be for Monday's air. And Thursday evening, we all got to call, oh my God, we, you have to come back early. We've got to do three days worth of programming on Friday. So not just the 48, we've got to do the, you know, the Monday as well. We've got to redo the whole weekend because contractually, we had promised every single time we said Michael Jackson to follow it by the King of Pop. And of course, that had not made it down to the studio. So we had to go back and retap every single segment saying, and now it's time for the planetary premiere of Michael Jackson, the King of Pop with his new video. And that's how it works. That's how you completely controlled. I'm King of Pop. I'm King of Pop. That's cute.

44:25So let's get this out of the way. What was with the hair that you had there? Did you, where did that idea come from? My ex wife. It was, oh, okay. And it made me famous. It was a toy. Yeah, the hair, you see, because you had the hair, luckily you had the kind of hair that could do with that hair. Well, when you have enough aquanet, which is what we had in the day, you could probably, anybody could make that hair. I just have to grow it long enough, blow dry and tease it. Did you go in to make up every day in the morning? My ex wife would do that every single morning before I left the house. She would do my hair. I was incapable of doing my hair myself, which made me, it made me a slave to her and to the hair. Oh, I'm not kidding. I was afraid to go anywhere without her because how would my, how I couldn't do my hair. This is no joke, by the way. That's funny. That's sad is what it is. It's sad. But however, if what's distinctive, according to

45:27the Merv Griffin theory of celebrities, people with big heads are successful on television. And he would know, look at the people he's hired and look at people who are successful on television. If they got a big head and that usually goes with a small body, then you are going to be successful. Hell sharp. There you go. It's like a head on a dwarf. Well, I will, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the decade award, uh, which forever was to be now named the Michael Jackson video Vanguard award. Uh, um, and we are starting the, uh, the, the ceremony there in a studio in Los Angeles and all of a sudden he stopped and he had, he had his guy come over, a little whisper in his ear. And he came back with a crate and he had to, so he was standing on the crue, an apple,

46:28an apple, yeah, how it's all a big, the full one. Yeah. Well, he, it was, uh, he put it on the side though. So it was probably about three quarter apple crate. Uh, uh, uh, Michael Jackson, uh, not really. I suppose, by the way, that's what you're supposed to do when people out there and you're watching TV and you get some midget stand and X's, some guys tall. Yeah. It's because they're not doing their job. They're supposed to put the midget on a crate on an apple crate or whatever they call it. But they're, and they're usually painted black so you can't see them. And, uh, you can have half the one, a quarter one and a full one. And they, you get up, it's a, but I think they're four inches. It raises you four inches. Yeah. That was about it. And Michael Jackson, not, not another short guy. If you Google Adam Curry, Michael Jackson, you can see the picture, uh, the, uh, it's on the, uh, on the, uh, the interwebs. And you'll see that he's standing next to me. He's almost as tall as I am. And, and there's a Christmas tree growing out of the back of my head. It's one of those great MTV shots. It's been fantastic.

47:29Except for Tina Turner dying. Yeah. She was sick for a long time, but that really, I had, I had, I had just, you'd be pretty sprite at her 80s. Well, she, she had a serious illness. She had all kinds of problems with man. She, that was a nice lady. I had a lot of fun times with her. Yeah. So I tell you one, shall I tell you a fun time? Go for it. Okay. So she came. This is when I was in Holland. This is how far back of relationship goes. And she came to, uh, I think she was doing a concert. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she was doing concerts. And, uh, as, and this is the, like, 84. And so as, as one does, of course, you're coming to the Netherlands and the top, a record retailer has to have attention because, you know, that's how it works. I, that's the way it used to work. You know, the number one guy in retail, you got to, you got to kiss his ass. So the record company set up this special lunch for this guy who was a real farmer.

48:30I mean, this, he, he spoke farmer English. Uh, he, he was just, he was a real, I have to, I'm sorry to explain, but in Holland, people understand when I say it was a real farmer, just a, like a redneck basically. And, uh, and so, and they invited me because she was going to be on, on my show to interview her. And it's, it's basically, it's us in this restaurant eating at a table at this guy presenting this huge, ugly, triple platinum piece of crap that, you know, you can't take back with you. You know, it's just one of those horrible music industry things. And he starts off by, yes, um, I'm so happy here to have tiny turn of his us today. And, and, and you could just see everyone cringing, but no one dared say like, it dude, it's Tina Turner. Tiny Turner has sold so many records here in the lowlands. We live it very, very much. And she was just, and I, and I looked at her and I said, because I was sitting across from her. I was like, I'm so sorry about this. This is welcome to the Netherlands.

49:32And she was so proper. And this was in her, uh, I think the on Thunderdome days, remember when she came back from England. And I'm Tina, don't I talk like this. Remember that? And she got all Thunderdome. No. Anyway, once the chicken arrived, I know it sounds racist, but man, any, any may bullock, when she, she dove right into the chicken, where their hands, screw the cutlery, and we had a great lunch. And many, uh, and many laughs ensued over the douchebag. Anyway, just one of the many fun moments with Tina Turner. And her damn to the trophy. Oh, I'm sure it got left behind at the record company. No one wants that stuff in their home. You know, it's not a trophy. It's one of those, it's like, uh, four feet long and has four, you know, this is the one you got out of your wall. Yeah. No, I don't even got it. Even I don't have the four foot long one up. Yeah, I put it in the garage, actually. I decided new house. I used to do stopped the car. New house. I decided not to put any of that in the house.

50:33In the garage, kind of like a penzoil sign. That's where I got all that stuff. Did you brought up David Bowie? I need to tell you something kind of interesting about Patricia. First wife number one, first wife, first ex ex wife number one. There we go. Who is, if anything, John, what is she? She is a promoter of, to be admired by anyone involved with publicity. And I always hold the belief. I think I've mentioned on the show that when you use the media for your own benefit, when you use the PR for your own benefit by whatever it is to get your PR, your message into the media, when you least expect it, it comes back like a boomerang in 10 times force, then knocks you down. And this is exactly what happened to her. Well, what happened? David Bowie dies. As with every country, every television station, they had a talk show and they brought

51:36in a whole bunch of people to talk about David Bowie. And they had five or six people. There's always like, you know, the DJ with the orange hair. Be always got the guy who's writing for like the Dutch version of Rolling Stone magazine who has like a cardigan and a pipe, you know, a bunch of douchebags who have never met David Bowie, never met David Bowie. The only person who's met David Bowie is Patricia. And I think I've told the Bowie story, her Bowie story, haven't I? No, I have not heard. Now you Patricia Bowie story. So when she was 20 and Bowie was 25, then I was minus two. I just, I've been not even to exist, barely in existence. She did the song contest and she did one in Malta and David Jones, David Robert Jones at the time was performing before he changed his name to David Bowie. This is how long ago it is. So she's asked about this story. She wrote it in her book and she tells a story that, you know, they hooked up, they smoked some weed and they, you know, had some sex and they were, and they were running around the beach of Malta and that he had some kind of loin cloth outfit on that look really

52:41funky, really strange. He had the shitty teeth and her punchline is he kept playing the song on his guitars or walk on the beach and like, oh, can you stop with this annoying song already? And it was space auditing. So I think that's a funny story. No, this is like a music business story. Do you know who Seymour Stein is? The name rings a bell, but no. Okay, Seymour Stein is the guy who first, he, he, legend in the music business started Sire Records and Sire Records, you know, had many famous artists, but Seymour Stein is really known for Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream to the first big album with her and, you know, he was her, Sire was her record label in the, in the very beginning of her career. And Seymour Stein is real, and I've hung out with him, you know, back in the, I don't know, like mid 80s in London and just one of these really weird guys, typical music

53:43industry guys, like he had a, a fish tank in his office with a hundred pound, a 50, what was it? No, 50 pound notes at the bottom of this aquarium and they were piranha swimming in the aquarium. It's like you're welcome to go, you know, grab the 50 pound note if you don't mind your hand getting eaten by a piranha. You know, this is really one of these guys, right? Hilarious. And, and his ex wife, Linda Stein, was also a legend in the music business. She was a manager famously of the Ramones and she was the most abrasive woman you can imagine. I mean, she would, she just, you know, would, she would yell, she would scream at people, she'd tell joy Ramones, shut the fuck up. You know, when, when they were touring in England, you know, he was complaining about everything he didn't like the food and, you know, and she just said, then get the fuck back to America, you fucking, these legendary.

54:43And it's funny because as far as I know, Seymour Stein was gay, if not at least by, but, you know, it was really weird these two, and of course they did break up eventually. So she was ex for a reason. So legendary woman, legend, in fact, as she had cancer and she had been operated on cancer and she's, this is just one of those famous stories about her. So take it with a grain of salt. Four hours after the operation, she was already on the phone yelling at someone who'd to fuck something up. Yeah, just, just crazy. They found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment yesterday in New York on Fifth Avenue. Oh, really? Yeah. As long as it wasn't in the news out here. Well, there you go. But it's just, it's one of those, you watch, the stories will come out. I'm sure, because, you know, lots of artists dealt with her. So I'm sure people are going to be talking about this.

55:43You watch this going to be an interesting story. I'm Richard Marx. He's only mentioned him in the book, but it's a great story. No, and now I want to call him up. No, tell him if you can tell the story. I don't need his permission to tell the story. Do I? Well, if you don't want to get sued, maybe. Well, see now I don't want to do a book. Boy, you're easy. You're, what a pushover. The worst thing about Richard Marx, who I had a, I don't even know who you're talking about. Somebody knows who you're talking about. Are you kidding me? Richard Marx in the 80s and 90s had number one hits back to back. You know, just because you don't know who's the Marx brothers, who are you talking about? Okay. I will play you a Richard Marx song. He sings. He's a singer. Yes, he's a singer. Yes. But what group? Richard Marx. He's just Richard Marx. Oh, I never heard of him.

56:44No, if I'm not surprised, you've never heard of him, but he's quite famous. Let me see. What's, yeah, he has all new songs. Where's his biggest hits? Well, it was right here waiting for you, right here waiting for you, Dick Marx. Yeah, here we go. This kind of stuff. Oh, this is the kind of stuff I don't like. That's probably why I never heard of him. No, of course not. This is boring. Look, that's Brian Adams. Hold on a second. Like some candles, people. That's Brian Adams. That's not even Richard Marx. Oh, you don't even get the right guy. Here we go. This is him. This is him. There's your 1980s, DX7 synthesizer sounds. He comes out of the smoke. Oh, yeah, this is good. Oh, yeah, he's got his blue jeans on since down at the piano. And you don't remember this?

57:48No. It sounds like a diamond dozen. It's a long intro. Oh, can you just stop it? No, I want to hear him sing now. And that slowly goes. Anyway. So I made a joke about his hair once on MTV, which was okay. You know, I had hair. You have long hair, short hair, bald hair. You had big hair and so I said, it'd be like you had. Yeah. And I said, there's Richard Marx with his hair at number four on the top 20 counter. He tried to get me fired. He literally tried to get me fired. And what? Because I made fun of him. He went to have to make fun of you. He said he had a hair. That's, I'm telling you, he went to Abbey Conowitz. He went to Rick Crem, you know, he's not, well, no, the hard part is, you know, he's married to you. You won't know her either. Daisy Fuentes. Yeah. You don't know. Nick Fuentes is a sister. You're hopeless.

58:48This book is not for you. Okay. This book is not for you. Don't worry about it. Don't read it. Mimi and I will make a book and we'll make a book. We'll make a book. And I want to do that whole download the PDF and if you want to buy it, then value for value, just send me some money. And you get some on it. No, you get nothing out of it. No, you get something. You just want me into it. I can go on a promo tour. I think it's a book of benefits for not having anything about Richard Marks, though. No, you know, because that was a legendary fight. This is legendary. Wow. And then we're on live. You're you're you're unselling the book as we speak. I run a live radio show and he says, I hope you get cancer. That was Richard Marks. Well, that was kind of cute. Yeah. So there's good stories there. It's good stories. I'll catch you next USA. You're up. I've done some celebrity pageant judging in the past. My favorite was in a Cicacus, New Jersey with Boy George as my fellow judge.

59:54This was this was after the heroin was all fat and bald and stuff. Nice guy, but damn boy George judging the women. I don't know. I'm going to show myself old but don't know what gender. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, I don't know what you're up in the morning. And I certainly hope you've enjoyed part one hour one of the MTV Chronicles. I wish we could chat with John about it. But of course he was there throughout every single story that I told many more on the way. And because I am as we speak on an airplane, probably about to land. If you were listening live coming back from Rotterdam to Austin, then onto the Hill Country. The trolls were able to hear everything. I'm sure they had a lot of fun trolling along, but no donation segment for today, which means on Sunday we'll have an extra special extra long donation segment. Hope to have a lot of order of the aunt members joining us.

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1:01:56My first big gig was live from Times Square. I was on Times Square by one Times Square. So they had the camera up in one Times Square building and I was down there by the. You were on a proof station. No, no, I was in the crowd on the ground in the crowd and they had to sign with their squealing girls. Yes. And they assigned, but there were no none of this nivia crap. These blue nivia bull crap. I don't know what you're talking about blue nivia bull crap. They didn't have that this year. The big nivia sponsors then. I didn't watch that. Neither did I, but I assume that nivia sponsored it again. They always didn't hear anything. And they'd assigned to me an off duty cop with the big ass gun. Okay. And Paul Reiser was tossing to Adam. Let's toss it to Adam down on time. Paul Reiser, the comic. It's typical. Whenever they're going to do a live show, they bring in celebrities who are anything but

1:02:58television hosts and they suck. They always suck. So Paul Reiser, I think maybe Sandra Bernhardt as well, who's definitely not good at just off the cuff, unrehearsed stuff when MTV wants to, you know, trying to be a family friendly. Yeah. But anyway, I thought it was quite an experience because those were the days when, you know, there were hookers on time square and sex shops and. Yeah. Yeah. The place was really. And it was grimy and grungy and people just, you know, it's great. You can all over the place and bow your back. Yeah. There was many, there were as many or even more cops back in that era in time square, but they didn't do anything about anything. No, it was a corrupt little enclave. It worked fine. Peep shows. Yeah. It was good. Happy theatre times, good times. Good times. It was like Grand Theft Auto. It was real.

1:03:59Oh, yeah. I think it was, and now it's like you think you're in Disneyland. We had, at MTV, we had something called Light Switch. It's time for Light Switch. Oh, what's that we said? Well, we have a new director of programming coming in who was, I want to say her name was Silverstein. I think she had like some, her daddy or something. Her great idea was we're going to have these blue screen. We'll have all these virtual sets. So what happened was you had, you see, MTV would come up, a video at end playing, you'd see a diner and they'd be like Tony, the Tony's and the diner making an Adele making sandwiches. And there was a little portable TV on the countertop. And I would be in that little TV announcing the next video. It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. Fucking moronic as what it was. The summer of 1990, MTV had a problem.

1:05:00They needed to get Budweiser to advertise on the network. I think I've told the story before. And they couldn't figure out how to get Budweiser. And they asked me to help them pitch an idea. And the idea was, you know, instead of creating some programming that, you know, the Budweiser would want to sponsor, they went to where Budweiser was already. Naturally, and that was Spring Break. And that is the entire reason for the creation of Spring Break on MTV. Now that is not, that is not native advertising per se. That's more product placement. However, if you go back to those early, those early days, and I had to do some of this, I think it was South Padre Island, I think, which is funny, I live in Texas now. Do you remember Spud's Mackenzie, that fucking dog? So we had the de... Yes, we had to do like the top 20 countdown with Spud's next to me.

1:06:01I remember we needed Michael Jackson to perform on the video, Music Awards at MTV. And yeah, so the dealings starts. You got to, well, then you have to do this. You have to, you got to play this video. And then we also said, well, we'll give you an award. It'll be the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year, named after him. And I think J.Lo just received it. And it is presented as the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year. We also, by the way, promise that we would always say Michael Jackson followed by the King of Pop. And we did. In fact, we once had to record a whole weekend all over again because we hadn't been told we had to do it. Anyway, I digress. So Tim Cook... No, I don't think that's a digression. That idea that you have to say the King of Pop was ridiculous. That we had to go back and re-record everything because we didn't say it. That was ridiculous. That was off the hook. That was two days of work.

1:07:01No, this is the thing that I learned. And several people told me, you know, in my late teens, early 20s, you know, and I was, you know, it was kind of like one of these unspoken things. And this person said to me, no, I see that you've got, you know, tweed. Which isn't takes, but I think it makes you look interesting. And I always took that to heart because these were good looking women. And believe it or not, you're interesting when you're not like everybody else. And this is the same for versions of, you know, whatever they call the autism spectrum, et cetera. Don't worry about it. Seriously, I still to this day have... It's gotten much better because I've become much calmer about it, but I was on television with Tourette's. And it was crazy. I was able to control it. But man, it took so much out of me.

1:08:02And once I kind of let it go, you know, when Nick Jagger says to you, man, you got a weird tick, but it's kind of funny with an English accent. That's when you're living. Yeah, yeah, Nick Jagger, things I'm interesting. I'm a dream dropper. I helped her get started in show business. Did I ever tell you that story? Okay, here we go. Yeah. Yeah, I just remembered. At MTV, we had VH1 at the time. And she was doing comedy stand up at like Rascals and West Orange, which is a pretty small place. And she was not really getting anywhere very much. And Steve Leeds, who he was like director of on air talent, whatever he was, who now does the same job at serious XM. He said, I really want to get Rosie O'Donnell on VH1. So Adam, would you please do the audition with her? And so essentially I sat there and she talked and just made jokes about me the whole time. Which was, yeah, Adam Curry, like just such a Barbie doll. Like you have Mattel stamped on your butt. It was marginally funny.

1:09:03But that's how she got started. Then she got on VH1 and that's how her career was launched. So I take full responsibility. I'm very sorry. Yeah, you could have just gone back to the guest. You know, she sucks. It's really bad. Just don't put her on. It's been a huge mistake in your career. No, I actually went to see her at Rascals and West Orange. She was funny. I liked her. But this is what you brought on us. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Now, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, here's one for the show. So I left from JFK last night on Virgin. And JFK, you can't actually check your bags in at the check-in desk. You have to then take your bag to the TSA screening machine, which is a little bit further up. So I'm rolling my bag down. And I knew I had a huge delay. So I'm taking my time and I'm feeling pretty good. And so I roll my bag over. And there's this TSA agent. She's about 6'2". She's got extremely milfy. I think she's pushing 30.

1:10:05In late 30s, 40. And John's stunning. A stunningly sexy tall woman in uniform. And so she looks at me and I look at her and we're eye to eye. And you have to understand when you're tall, like I am, you just don't get that a lot. And I'm like, oh, hi. And she's like, oh, hi. And I hand off my bag. And I said, don't you just miss hugging people your height? She says, oh, it's been such a long time. I said, come here, baby. Give me one. We're like doing this big embrace. And also she realizes she's like, it's all fired. But it was a nice hug. It was good. You have to understand the only time that I had the best hug I ever, I think I told you that the best hug I ever had was the Shaqilo Neal. So really? Yeah, I was interviewing him. He's a big dude. Yeah, he's seven foot whatever.

1:11:06And I was interviewing him for something. And I said, Shaq, and I just asked you one last question, man. He said, yeah, I said, you know, I know you can feel my pain here. Would you mind if I just hugged you? It would be so nice to be hugged by someone bigger than me. And he said, absolutely. And he just engulfed me. Yeah, it's nice, man. Hugs are good. So Kennedy. Oh, that's my buddy almost killed you. I tell that story that she broke my butt. Should I tell the story? I should probably tell the story. Yeah, you must have re-frained the story because we have not heard it for probably five years. MTV Beach House. First year. Great idea. We all go out to, um, Quagg, which is, you got the Hamptons and you got all the poor people. They live in Quagg is beyond the Hamptons. Big house on the beach. It was an experiment. Worked out really well. It later became a reality show when everybody realized that all that happened in MTV Beach House was just a lot of drinking and screwing around. So all the VJs would be out there for the summers.

1:12:08Real pain in the butt. You drive three and a half hours from the city to get there. And, uh, you know, so we did all the typical Beach House things and then we're on wave runners. These days known as jet skis, which they're not. They're wave runners. So I'm doing my segment. But I'm, you know, but I'm sitting on the wave runner and the camera guys on the other wave runner and he's, you know, I'm doing my segment. And all of a sudden, Kennedy rams into me with her with wave runner, thinking she was funny. And so I, by going flying off the wave runner and hit my left buttock right on the edge of the, the wave runner and to this day, there's still a crease in my butt. And it was black and blue for months. And she never really said sorry, which I've always wanted to talk to her about. And I almost got on her podcast but then they canceled on me. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. Well, her podcast isn't that good. I have, I have, of course, it's forgiven her since then, but it'll be fun to talk about it.

1:13:09Well, she's quite lively on gut filled and I got, I got but slam. That's right, trolls. I literally got but slam by Kennedy. There you go. So there's, there's a couple things I'll say here. Because I have been kind of following the osmonds over the past couple weeks mainly because Marie was in dancing with the stars and then, and I like that show. I thought that she passed out, right? So that kind of got her into the news. I know Donnie. In fact, I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver during that. It was an indie, an indie event in D.C.R. when I was working for MTV and, you know, and it's the guy's fucking serious. Yeah, he won the race, by the way. He's, you know, I was impressed. He was, you know, we were all out partying and he was walking the track at five in the morning, you know, finding the apex and all the fucking perfect. He wanted to win. He really wanted to win. I raced in a geo. Did you know? Yes. MTV, we followed the indie circuit one year and it was one year they had the race in

1:14:16Denver, the street race in Denver. And they had the celebrity race. And it wasn't a Grand Prix or an indie car Grand Prix style thing. Well, it was on the streets. It would be Grand Prix more than, well, it was indie. Well, it was the cars, whatever. It was the same cars. Yeah. Jeff, for you, you had a geo. Yeah. So it was the, you know, it was like the guy, the drummer from White Lion, Johnny Gill, you know, I'm sure one of the Motley crew guys was there. And I had the in-car camera. I got to find that footage because I, of course, I went around the corner and crashed into the wall and kept going. You did? Yeah. Yeah. The stick shift had come up about two feet, but otherwise it still drove. But the commentary, because when you're in the car and you're skidding around and you hit the wall and you bounce off, it feels like, wow, man, this is spectacular. Then you see the footage on TV and the commentator says, it's literally like, what, what, because a geo, they go, you know, how slow it looks then like, well, it looks like I'm a grand mile who's lost control.

1:15:17And the guys who were going to call the official race are like, oh, there's Adam Curry from MTV. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's like what I thought is like dude, can't even hold onto the wheel. My geo story. I've made this mistake myself once when I was into you. You can make the mistake, but you can't do it on. No, but I just want to tell you how to make the mistake all the time. So maybe I'm too harsh. Oh, come on. Sydney, you're in the news business as a, as a news model. Yeah, for your in the news business, you don't take Sydney. And he's reading this on the prompter. Yes, of course. These people are they don't know can't talk or call us and also it's all prompter. There's nothing that's not from the prompter. He may write some of that stuff himself. These people don't write it themselves and they're idiots. They're just idiots. I have done this myself. I was interviewing Fleetwood Mac and this isn't the late. So you had a conversation with that guy Steve Nick's.

1:16:18Well, much worse. I said, so worse. Yeah, worse. I said, so do you think Lindsey Buckingham will ever come back into the into the group or is she done with it? I remember a big Fleetwood looking at me and you're saying, if his penis fell off, maybe it was horrible. It was horrible. It was horrible. I don't think it was. It was horrible. It was for me. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. When I, uh, Mick Fleetwood had brought the band back together briefly in the mid, almost late 80s, mid 80s and it was without, I think it was without Lindsey Buckingham. I could, or maybe Lindsey Buckingham was here. No, maybe, maybe Christine, Christine McVee wasn't it, but I quit too. But I remember talking to Mick Fleetwood doing an interview that one of the, the, I had two big gaps in my career. This was the Fleetwood Mac one. Or I said, so Lindsey Buckingham, is she going to be on the tour this year?

1:17:21So the other one, the other one, the other gap just over on it, the other gap was when I was interviewing Germaine Jackson, who had a, a song with PS Adora when the rain begins to fall from some movie soundtrack. And, uh, and of course I said, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Michael Jackson. Yeah, it's one of those cringe worthy moments. Oh, yeah. You do that. Riddle me this. Why is that guy's name not up there with Hendrix and Clapton and Bex? I mean, he should absolutely be there. So I interviewed him did you in the, oh, yeah, late 80s and he came into the studio. Cause you know, I think it was, it might have been head bangers ball. I don't remember. And this is, you remember these days Larry back in the day, like when, when even the VJs got gold and platinum records and like, yeah, thanks for, thanks for helping son. Here's something to hang on your wall. And he came in and he gave me a, a, his signature Steve Stevens, a hammer guitar.

1:18:21Oh, I still have it. I still have it signed by sound by Steve Stevens. Yeah, then he was just a nice guy. Yeah. That's so New York. Right? That is New York accent. Very much. We literally walked down the street. Oh, he just walked down the street to the studio. No, we had a guitar case here. Adam, how do you do? These guys are all very, very New York, very New York. Love that about him. And then there's, if there's a classic guitar story, Joe Sotriani, who I think is also just virtue also got so good. You can look it up on YouTube. There's two versions. There's a longer version. And he, and he's going to give me guitar lessons. He's going to show me, no, I'm not actually holding a guitar. But he has a guitar. He says, okay, Adam, and he says, now this is me does some, there's a little stuff back. But that's not really what makes you a great guitar player. And here's something you can practice, Adam. You've got to make your faces. So it was teaching the right face.

1:19:22The right face to make when you hit, when you hit this, when you go, you got to put a lips back like that and you got a close eyes. That's what makes a great guitar player right there. That's great stuff. Yeah, you can have the sound. It's not in the gear. I mean, Ted Nugent told a story about Eddie Van Halen, where when he met him, he's like, you know, how do you get that sound? And Eddie handed him his guitar. He's like, I played it. I sound like Ted Nugent still. I don't know how he made those sounds. It wasn't trickery. It wasn't gear. It was just pure talent in the way he played. Talent and tone, man. That's what it is. Yes. And the tone comes in the hands. Yes, it does. Yeah. You can't help it. In the early days, you actually could take the gold or platinum record out of the case. And you could play it however, you had to play it backwards because it was a gold or platinum-plated version of I guess they called the mother.

1:20:22So it was in the inverse, right? Inverse. Yeah. So so you literally had to play it backwards, but they did play. They actually did play later. It was just. I mean, I still mine still have. I have later I got the CD versions from Michael Jackson and Aros Smith, which is those are some of my, I like those because I can always, you know, connect the story to it. But I have a lot of the old school platinum and gold records and they all have a little cassette stuck to the the right hand bottom corner, you know, because it also sold on cassette back in the day. And those, of course, over the years have, you know, come unglued and dropped and they're kind of loose in the case. No, it's if you remember, Billy is fun. Def leopard. In, I don't know, 90, maybe 90 or 91, Def leopard did a tour in the round. And, um, okay, MTV sent me out to go cover him in.

1:21:23Man, I want to say Atlanta, the Omni, I think that yeah, I think it was the Omni, Atlanta. Think so. I can't remember what it was. And they were in the round. So, you know, there's audience on all sides and the way they got the band, you know, from, you know, the dressing room into, you know, underneath the stage was in, you know, these big laundry carts. And so before the lights went down, you see these folks, you know, just push along these laundry carts and the, the guys got out and that's kind of how I imagine this the way, you know, the way the memes were working is like, yeah, I'm just hiding him there. But every, you know, the press is bad. They did with David Lee Roth. Well, here's the other story. And the, uh, Edmund Smile tour, uh, they get him from one side, from the stage to the back to ride the surfboard across the audience. He rises giant surfboard. And that's how they, they had him in a, in a road case. They, you know, but it was a big road case. He probably had a seat in it. Probably had, you know, some Jack Daniels and, and a fan and whatnot. And they pushed him over there and, and then he, and then he floated across the crowd on a surfboard.

1:22:28And of course, the press was masked. Steve, I was playing an amazing solo. And it was a contest and it was a hundred winners. And it would be, it was a cool, it was a cool MTV like contest. Actually, a hundred winners would go to the North Pole for a concert with Metallica. Actually, it was Metallica, um, whole, so Courtney love. And, um, one other band, I can't remember. And we, and we did a cyber cast from the North Pole. And it was pretty interesting because you know, well, we, the only way to do it is we took a multiplexer. So we could take 24 phone lines and basically convert that into like, you know, 150 kilobits per second or whatever. And we had that linked all the way down from, uh, took to a yuck, took, uh, which is Northwest and territory. So, and you know, literally like, uh, you know, a couple miles inside the, the Arctic circle there. Um, well, let's get back to the, how did you get to the North Pole? Ah, well, it's a combination of many, many flights. And the last one is basically an otter.

1:23:30Um, so an otter is a, you know, one of those airplanes with the huge, the huge inflated tires and it's a, it's a real workhorse. And you know, you consider it and kind of like jump seats, but it's really meant for taking cargo. Um, and, uh, yeah. So you basically land up on the ice near drilling platform up there. And, and so when it not being the dark period, it was light for 24 hours straight, which was really, really weird. Um, and of course you're up there, you know, we had our crew and, uh, and we're sleeping in, in the oil barracks, if you will. Um, and in you as is Metallica, as is everybody. And, um, and so, you know, we're looking, there's nothing to do, obviously. And so we're like, and it's dry, right? There's no alcohol. It's forbidden, but, you know, we figure, we can probably figure something out. So we go outside and it's midnight, but you know, kids are riding around on their bikes. And it's as if it were midday. And it's, you know, we did some of the kids come over and we're, uh, you know, say, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How? There's a, let's back up a minute.

1:24:30There's a bunch of people at the North Pole. Well, it's not exactly on the North Pole North Pole, but, but, you know, within, I don't know, what is it? Uh, 50 miles, 75 miles. Yeah. There's all kinds of villages. I thought it was pretty barren up there. It was pretty barren up there. Oh, okay. No kidding. You know, the next town was several hundred miles and that was, um, in Newvik, I think is what it was called. Anyway, um, it was September, actually. I remember because it was my birthday. I put my toe into the Arctic waters. Of the pole. I did my toe and it's a tradition. I think is what it was. So we said to these kids, hey, man, do you know we can, uh, tradition and we can get something. So you, you want the drug dealer? Yeah, he lives in that house right over there. Try to get his kids riding around on their bikes.

1:25:32It was a, it was a fantastic, uh, experience. Huh, well, you got me on that one. Hmm. I know another guy who, uh, like a year or so ago went and went to Antarctic and some, there's a cruise, I guess you can take icebreaker cruise. Yeah, I think I've heard about that. Yeah. Yeah, you leave from somewhere in South America. I guess down at the tip down as Southern Argentina, I suppose. And, um, boat over there and crack your way into that. And, you know, that's supposed to be even worse than the, uh, Arctic. It relates to why I was there. I was shooting a, uh, television commercial for Sam Goodie, uh, and we're shooting it at the Sam Goodie store in the Mall of America because of course that's their flagship store. It's the biggest one or whatever. And, uh, it's like a three day shoot and the second night I'm there, I get a call around midnight, uh, in the hotel room. So I pick it up and, yeah, uh, yeah, uh, Prince is, uh, Prince has a party over at Paisley Park, which is famously in Minneapolis as well.

1:26:33Says, do you want to come? I'm like, let me think. Uh, yeah. So okay, well, there's a car downstairs waiting for you. And, uh, so I got whisked away to, uh, to the purple palace and, uh, and there was a party, uh, at the, at the Paisley Park. It's, it's, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's a, it's a happening, happening town. So how, well, how is the party? Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah. Was he going by the name Prince at the time? Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it was going by the name of Prince at the time. Uh, yeah. So for you come in, uh, you go through a metal detector, which makes sense. And then there's, like this, you know, there's a whole bunch. It's really clean. Now you know, you're going to a real party real party. You go through a metal detector. Um, yeah, it was, it was a big room, um, lit, but, you know, dimly lit, but of, you know, white room across one side that just the, the, the nicest buffet I'd seen in a long, long time. And then it was a DJ with it, like a mobile setup. And it was playing all kinds of Prince tunes you've never heard before in your life. And it's like, there must have been 150 beautiful girls and boys, nothing else, of course.

1:27:38Um, it was kind of funny because Prince was standing over by, uh, by the, by the speakers, you know, the, the DJ and I was talking to a couple of, a couple of people, I said, I'm going to go over and say hi to him and, and this one girl, I kid you not, says, oh, you should, you better not do that, man. You better not say, well, why not? Well, because you're, you're like six feet tall and you're white, man, that's two strikes. You don't want to be talking to Prince. They fuck you. So, so I went over, introduced myself and guy was not, personally, he's not that small. Um, you know, the story's about him to think he was an oompa loompa. Um, but, uh, anyway, he was, he was really nice and, uh, and he knew, you know, what I had done on MTV, just the previous week and then he said, oh, and my, my daughter what had been born, maybe, uh, maybe she's a year old and she's, how's your, how's your daughter? And he knew what was going on and was fantastic. He was really nice. He's a, he's a, he's a artist slash business man. Absolutely. Why would he be a jerk like this girl thinks because well, she obviously likes to project that image for good reason because he doesn't want to be bothered by every shmuck in the world.

1:28:38By her in particular, I think. Yeah. And, and the coolest thing though was because the party ends at a certain point, you know, Prince, of course, he only made his appearance and he was there for a little while and then he disappeared and, um, and then all of a sudden, uh, you know, his guys come through this room and they, all they do is they just kind of like, uh, flick flashlights on and off, uh, pointed at the floor and they just walk around there, clicking their flashlights and everyone knows it's time to go. And then within 15 minutes, the whole place was empty. Huh. Yeah. Oh, so like a slick party. Very slick party. In hindsight though, uh, I was thinking, you know, we started our careers around the same time and I work with her when I was 19. I think she was 20, maybe two, I was 20. She was 21 and she was on the show. I was a presenting at the time in, uh, in Gitmo Nation lowlands and, um, this was when she had her first hit. I want to dance with somebody and I recall thinking, wow, she's really strange. She was a complete, in hindsight, now I realize she was, of course, an MK Ultra subject.

1:29:43She was completely mind controlled, you know, did whatever her handlers told her to do, not a single smile. You know, and we were young, you know, like when you're young, you're supposed to be like, man, didn't this cool? Can you believe this? This is, this is awesome. Look, what we're doing, we're on TV, you're singing, you know, no, just nothing, just a complete non-blink stare. Raccoel, well, passed away and that reminded me that I met her in the late eight. Racco, you call it a racco, racco, racco. Raccoel, well, that's what the other name was. Funny. You did meet her. How was she? What kind of a person was she? I met her in the late eighties. Maybe it was, you had like 88, 89 and I can't remember if she was in a movie or she was part of her, maybe there was some promotion and I remember MTV said, oh, you should go there and make it, you know, she go and see what's going on or something. I don't know what it was. It was very early on at MTV when I still lived in the city. Did she make it pass that? Yeah. No, she was really very quiet, very docile, like just almost like, you know, almost didn't say anything. And she must have been like 50 or early 50s and here's the thing, here's the thing

1:30:47that I noticed. She and this is going to sound weird, but you know, that's the only story I have about Raccoel, well, so I'll never get to tell it again. Just like Christina Applegate, she had, she had a layer of fur, a fuzz, like all over her face and her arms, very light, very, you know, like bleach probably just fur, like her face has furry. Yes, her face had fuzz on it. And I remember going, wow, that's kind of interesting. And the same thing happened to me when I met Christina Applegate at the MTV awards one time. I have some women have fur. Should I ever tell you that that I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis? No, this is a story for the show. Yes. I was hit on you because you're a good looking guy back in the day. I was in. Back in the day, what is this, Devorak? I'm still a stud. We got in the day. I digress. It was probably 19.

1:31:48When did footloos come out? So footloos came out. I think it was either foot, my, I interviewed Kenny Loggins. And maybe it was a top gear. I can't remember about it. But then, oh, yes, because we're doing something for the MTV Awards. I was in Los Angeles and then I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis and was right around when fish called Wanda was coming out. And it was at her house. I remember it was, she said so, but was after we were done recording and we just chatting and she says something to me and I don't get the joke. And she says, Adam, don't you know I was born on her mafroidite? And I'm like, what? She says, yes, my parents chose female for me, but probably was the wrong choice. And she said it was probably the wrong choice. Yes, that that was probably the wrong choice for her. That interesting. Then we walk out for coffee and coffee were back in the cocktail reception area.

1:32:51And the king and queen are just mingling. And the queen comes over and I'm talking with her for 20 minutes. Just drinking coffee and she's very tall and she, I'd say, well, she had five inch heels on. I looked very closely what she was wearing because I know I had to report to a number of women in my life. I mean, she's the very charming woman. Deep brown eyes, lots of wrinkles around the eyes, very little, very little makeup, maybe just a base, almost nothing. This was not a big public event. I don't even know if she washed it. It looks stringy. Not being honest. Not being honest. I'm being honest. Yeah, a little bit like a hippie girl. And by the way, about halfway through this 20 minutes, there was a hair flip. I just want to say. I was like, oh, hair flip. Gray, I'm not glad you noted that. That's good. It was right next to me. There was a face with her hand or anything in the process. No, no, no. There was a, so she was wearing a gray pencil skirt.

1:33:54I've like, you have to, well, bug me with the jacket. Details are. Yeah, there are women who listen to the show. John, think about the demo. The demo. Just for a second. She was wearing a gray pencil skirt. Yeah, the problem was the jacket was so, if pencils doesn't make us, this is so ill-fitting in the back that the, it was like she was holding her shoulder blades back and it was kind of, perched back. This is unacceptable. It was. It's like, no one looked at her and said, no, that jacket's no good. Only vintage jewelry, very understated but not really pretty. Just like, look like, like, oh, grandma's old stuff. I'm sure it was grandma's old stuff. The old queen. It was, yeah, it was grandma's old. Sure. But, you know, nothing like mind-boggling. Just, I was like, you know, what wasn't really spectacular. That's just me. So then, but listen. Get it. And she says, how's your daughter? She's great. Yeah, yeah. Didn't you see?

1:34:55She's doing all kinds of fun things. And yeah, it was comparing notes as parents about, you know, my daughters, you know, they're now, you know, 15. I think they know everything. And she says, you know, in your girlfriend or, is wife, girlfriend, you know, she works around in a Donald House. Yeah, she runs the whole thing. So yeah. And she knew everything, all this stuff, all these details. Yeah, they had the dossier open. Yeah. Yeah. Um, or two of them got together before the thing. So what do you think we should talk about these idiots? Well, I think they spent, they must have. I don't know. Let's see what we got here. I'm hoping to look at this. What is curry guys kind of interesting? I met the queen. She invited me to Buckingham Palace. I went into the front gates with the showford car. You know, it's weighted in this hall with that with other people. They're giving it preface. They give us a little idea. You are just, oh, let's get Adam over. That's exactly how some other reason. No, it's just let's get the, hey, he's in town. I hear he's in town. He's a pod father. Bring that mofo over there. It was the relaunch of the queen's website,

1:35:57the royal website. And so there was a party and it was, what's the, um, a Tim Berners-Lee. So maybe that it came through him. That would be something that he would have said, oh, yes, curry's here. Um, and I, I still have the invitation. It was beautiful, you know, like a block of wood. They're mad just to request your attendance. And so you know, they pick up in a car. It was a Mercedes, by the way, all the horrors. And they went right through those front gates, a Buckingham Palace. And then we went in this big hall and they waited for, I don't know, 20 minutes. But it was a hall that was interesting because it had just all these master artworks that you recognize. Oh, that looks like Rembrandt Van Gogh, but you don't really recognize the painting. And then we go in and then we all get to meet the queen. And she's standing on a box, of course. And, uh, and she had her gloves on and, uh, she wasn't holding her handbag like she was in that picture and meeting the new prime minister.

1:36:57And I did something which is not, you're not really supposed to do, but I promised myself I had to do it. And I looked into her eyes when I shook her hand. And that's supposed to do it? No, no, you're not supposed to. Really supposed to look down or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I saw nothing. It was, I was kind of, kind of, kind of, you're a robot. Kind of, I don't know, I don't know, man. They weren't slanty, so I don't think she, or she hadn't transformed. And the only other thing I can really say is that she, she served Mum's champagne, which is kind of like really, I mean, that's like $20 or a bottle in HB. Well, it's not this, not that cheap, but it's, I mean, it's a real champagne. Yeah. And they have a higher end version of it, it was just a standard standard, Mum's is not really that great. And I'm sure I voted for Bill Clinton. I'm quite sure of it. You know, because it was cool, the boxes are brief. The boxes are briefs, Mr. President.

1:37:58Yeah. And I got an invitation from Hillary to go visit the White House. Did you really? I want to know more about this. Yeah, I wish. I wish. So I didn't go. No, I had, I was on assignment. I think at the time I was doing the, I was the only guy who could ski at MTV. And they did a deal with these, with the mogul, the pro mogul skiing tour, which meant someone had to go out. Unfortunately, someone had to go to every single awesome skiing place in the United States. That's horrible. And, and British Columbia. I went to Whistler and, you know, and I would do the top 20 count down a couple of segments. And, and when I got back, someone said, Oh, yeah, I know this came to you up at the office. And you have to understand the office in the studio that was two different worlds. The MTV news department, which came in at a certain point. And they hated us. They just hated the VJs. VJs would just scump to them. We never got invited to the video, music awards.

1:38:59Oh, yeah, you can have a ticket. Oh, yeah, you can get a ticket if you fly yourself. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. And so, and then this invitation coming from the white, I still have it. It come in from the White House. The first lady requests your presence. I don't remember what it was for, but so I, it already passed by the time I got the invitation. I gotta say hello to general fleeing general fleeing. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. That's, it's like a cat, a cartoon. Anybody who knows Joe will be like, that's Joe. That sounds exactly like Joe. Yeah, okay. And so we go over like, hey, I'm just doing a flint dance, do a picture, do a picture right now. And, you know, and flint is there basically just being inundated by people the whole time, you know, taking pictures with him. Yeah, and he's got his, what he does, he's got his tuxedo on him. And then we line up for a picture. And then Joe's like, you asked where Putin was looking. Yeah, that's what I would. I mean, I barely had time to thank him for his service.

1:40:00But Joe was like, yeah, this is Adam, this is Adam Cree, headbangers ball. And flint looks at me, huh? It's like, what? Headbangers ball? What of all the things Joe could have said about me is like, hey, headbangers ball. Oh, brother flint gave me a look like, okay, who's the lawyer? Cause I had my suit on. Very good. Remember Gofer and Usenet goes with the days. Gofer. Gofer, man. That was the pre-goly day. Did I ever tell you my Gofer story? No. Yeah, probably, but tell me again, because I easily forget some of these stories. So I'd registered MTV.com. Then I ran it on a headless Sun 3 and did Jackson in Virginia, I think. Above a Chinese restaurant. And I really just, what domain names? I don't know MTV.com. Okay, boom, didn't have to pay anything. And was all the same time I got Curry.com. Like, okay, I'll get that.

1:41:01And Elvis.com, I had that a lot of them. Dema names. And of course, there was no web then. So I set up a Gofer server. And that for me, VJ blonde and everything, sending the compiling binaries and doing all those things. It was quite a learning curve, but I got it to work. And I put up little bits and bobs. For those of you who don't know who Gofer is, it was a text-based navigation system with hyperlinks and was pretty much the precursor to the web. And then I got a cease and desist from the University of Minnesota. And they said, well, you're using that commercially. I said, no, this is not MTV. This is me I'm doing it. They let me do this because they don't think the internet is going to be anything. And they're pretty proud of the keywords they have on AOL. So we're, they're all happy. Yeah, keyword. MTV. Right. And music television. Whoa, it was a double whammy. And I think they also had some some gateway on prodigy. So they were all set. And I didn't realize that Gofer had a provision against commercialism. Yes. And they said, you need to pay us $5,000. I'm like, I don't have $5,000. I don't have it.

1:42:01I don't have it. And but I came up with it. You just had a website. Where'd the Gofer angle come in? Because I was using Gofer on MTV.com. So when you could use it, it's a Gofer D. So it's a demon. It's a service. It's the actual software that makes Gofer work. Okay. So they were saying, you have to pay a license. I'm not, I can't pay that. And then we came up with a deal. And you can, if you, if you search for this on YouTube, you'll find it. I said, what I'll do is I'll wear the university of Minnesota. I think I'll wear a, a way you're Gofer T-shirt on MTV. You mean like a sweatshirt or a t-shirt? Yeah, no, not a t-shirt. And they said, okay. That was it. That's worth $5,000. Probably more at the time. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I've never heard that story. Yeah. I think I'd remember that one. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's what happened. Watching this trial, though, took me back to my time in court with MTV networks.

1:43:03And particularly during the prosecution, I recall so vividly having gone through, because you know, I had empty, for those who don't know it, I'd registered. Prosecution. Will you have done some criminal indictment? That's the way I felt. I felt like prosecution. It was the lawyer for MTV. It was the lawyer for MTV. Felt like prosecution. I'm a proficient sued. Let me explain how it felt, though, because I think it's the same general thing. And so this is about MTV.com, which I registered. They said, don't worry about it. We don't give a shit about the internet. And then when I left, then they didn't even ask for it back. They just sued me so I counter sued and went back and forth. So then we went through discovery. And I was literally with two interns for days in the lawyer's office, pulling emails off of floppy disks. Okay, this is how, I mean, this is a long time ago. This is 1994, I think. But I recall so vividly, MTV's lawyer presenting their case and sitting there going, well,

1:44:05shit, did I do something wrong? If you put it that way, it sounds like I'm a horrible person. And even though it's just like, wait a minute, that's the facts. But you're presenting it in a really different light and it makes me look horrible. And I just remember how scary that was. And I think that that's when you get the same facts and you have prosecution versus defense in this criminal trial, it's kind of the same thing. Like why you can turn everything in different directions and make it sound a certain way. And we have the benefit of knowing a lot more. But it's the best dirt in there. Well, it's all good dirt. The way they did it is I haven't really ever seen this. They essentially they interviewed a lot of people. I know the interview with me for like five hours and recorded it all on tape. And they transcribed it and they just put all these quotes one after another for 600 pages about different topics. And it's pretty interesting. It's a long read. But it's a they had my quotes, right?

1:45:07So I presume that everyone else's quotes, right? And as it turns out, what I suspect that I now know for sure that I was fired from head banger's ball thanks to Axel Rose and Doug Herzog. Axel Rose got me fired. Why? Because his heroin buddy was Ricky Rackman. And of course Ricky Rackman has no talent. And then Axel said they were watching me on head banger's ball on Axel says, hey man, wouldn't you want to be a VJ? And I said, no, don't worry, I'll make a call. Of course, you know, Axel Rose calls MTV. They'll blow in him. Like 24 hours later, I was off the show. Hold on. That's the poor thing. It's totally deplorable. I fought to get guns and roses up played on the channel. No one wanted to play it. And that's my thanks. So you wait a minute. Yeah, it's true.

1:46:07Got them to play guns and roses made them so successful at least on the channel that they could call up and have you fired. Yes. Well, that's pretty ironic. Well, there's a difference between guns and roses and Axel Rose. I mean, Axel Rose is a maniac. And I don't think the guy's in the band actually like him. But yeah, I think that's true. Guns and MTV would not touch guns and roses. They're like, yeah, we can't play this. He's got a video where he's getting electrocuted in electric chair. And I'm like, yeah, play. And then they started playing him and then got me fired. Served you right. And look at where I am now. You have to understand that I am persona non grata in the official circles. So the MTV has its 30th anniversary on August 1st. Yeah, guess who's not going to be in it? Seriously, me, I'm not going to be in it. You're right. Yeah, John, you're excluded. And they're going to be talking about headbangers ball and a douchebag,

1:47:10Ricky Rackman will be on like he owns the show. I shouldn't get too far. I mean, you know, it's what happens when you sue a big corporation and win. I wouldn't invite either. It's bad. But it's like they're erasing me. I'm spanked. I'm rubbed out. I'm rubbed out from history. They just erased me. So the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame museum. Yeah, you know what? Here's what'll happen. I'll show up. They can't get you out of this swamp thing movie. That's where you're true. Now I'm there forever. That I'll show up and they go, Hey, Adam Curry, great. That'll be a $39 entrance fee. Oh, no, no, there'll be two big goons haul and you're asked, Tony, you put out the door. Get out of here, kid. Well, there you go. Maybe that should turn into a book one day. What do you think? I'm sure there's more that I can talk about. MTV Chronicles, I don't think we've ever done one of these. We may have had some of Adam's stories, but not necessarily the MTV Chronicles. So I hope you enjoyed it. And definitely something we can do again in the future.

1:48:13Again, it sounds like an audio book or just a book in general. Might be something there. I got to think about it. The memoirs. Sunday, a reminder, we have special guest co-host Dana Brunetti, Mr. Hollywood himself, producer of mega hits like House of Cards, 50 shades of gray, 50 shades of grayer, many more. Captain Phillips, we'll talk about all of it. And we'll run through the news with him. And he's even buying a microphone especially for it. So tune in for that. That'll be live Sunday regular gitmo nation time. Remember, without your support, nothing else happens. Value for value. Knowaginthedonations.com. Until Sunday, Adios Mofos, a hui hui. And such.

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