No King But Jesus/Saudi Support of Iran War/Moses on Usury/Jesus Turning Over the Money Changer's Tables - March 27, 2026

This is where you hear both sides. We are the Jeff and Bill Schoell, 17. Can you

us in Denver? Hey, I'm 1460 FM 101.1. The answer in Colorado Springs. All along the

front range. This is the Jeff and Bill show where you get both sides. Bill, did you see

this video that came from my hand? Yeah, this is wild. Yeah, exactly. This is clearly

its propaganda, but my question is whether or not it's effective propaganda. So I'll

describe it, but Adam here is going to play it on the video screens. It starts with

the Native American and he's looking up in the sky and then it pans to Japan, Hiroshima,

looking up in the sky all around him is the result of a nuclear weapon going off. Then

Vietnam looking up in the sky, smoke in the background and then a person from Yemen looking

up in the sky, smoke and rubble in the background and then a person from Palestine, a little

girl looking up in a camp, and then the Epstein Island, a little girl looking up into the

sky and then Iran looking up into the sky, a little girl and then General Salamani and

then the Ayatollah looking up into this guy and then it cuts to a missile. This missile

is flying through the air and it's got the Iranian flag on it and it hits a statue of

liberty, but the statue of liberty is like a bowl and then it falls like it's destroying

an idol into the sea and it says one vengeance for all. Billy, I'll let you take the first

stab at this. It was interesting for me the way they unfolded the story that you start with

Native Americans, then the Japanese, then the Vietnamese. So those are obviously three actions

very directly connected to the US. Then you have another action in Yemen in which there's

the US and also some participation with Israel, then you get to Israel in Palestine, then you get

the little stick in the eye with Epstein Island and then it gets to more contemporaneous conflicts.

The Epstein Island thing was a really weird addition inside of that chronology in my mind

because I think they're playing into the Wagged the Dog, Operation Epstein, Fury,

get the story off the headlines. I think they're playing that game. Whether or not it's effective,

I'm not certain, but that's the only reason I feel that was inserted because the rest of those

are direct conflicts that the US military or Israel has been involved with, not Epstein Island.

And the other thing is the ethnicities that we see involved is all the ethnicities are appropriate.

Epstein Island, little blonde hair blue-eyed girl. That was the one that stuck out to me in the

entire narrative. Back on Sesame Street, one of these things is not like the other. That was the

thing that is not like the others. That was the one that I thought was a direct personalized

kick towards the president and the current administration. I'm not certain or I don't know how

effective this is going to be because of Iran, because the itola, because of Soleimani,

I don't believe that they're beloved by the rest of the region. So yeah, the idea of America

has exerted their power on us for these and it is Iranian so that's why you have the three clips

going with those three. So I think that blunts some of their public relations message.

It may have been, I would have advised them to maybe approach that a little bit differently,

given who their potential audience is. Now, the other part is I don't know the potential audience.

Is this for Iran and Iranian supporters or is it for the region or is it for the world to

remind them about America and Israel? And I'd love to have your impressions on the bastardized

statue of liberty about what that looks like. Well, it's an idol. Yeah, it's a solution of

destroying idols because in the three major religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Muslim Islam,

there's specific laws and restrictions against idols and the notion that you're

defeating an idol is the notion you're defeating paganism and evil and that type of stuff.

That's what I was saying too. And the first reference and he had just being an American Catholic,

the first reference when I saw the bull head on top of the Statue of Liberty was the reference

of the golden calf. And so which again, back Judaism. So there's yeah, so there's so you kind of

wrap everybody into it, both the American Christians and also the Jews as well. So that was an

interesting, interesting reference. And I say, what is the the vengeance? It is a threat, but Iran

lacks the ability to execute what they are claiming. And the really weird part for me is,

whether or not you agree or disagree on the premise of the war, what Iran is threatening at the end

is exactly the reason that part or at least part of the reason why the administration said

we have to go to war. So there's a portion at the end that's a proof positive of why you're

right. So I'm not certain this clicks all the boxes that they think it does, but yeah,

you're impression. All right. So for me, this affirms a thesis I've had all along about this,

which is that what you see happening in our culture is a marrying of Islamism and Marxism

together right now. And Islam and Islamism, which is the notion that and I've interviewed these

folks at Palestinian rallies and stuff like that, is that Islam needs to dominate the world.

It is the one truth that the world needs to abide by. Christians and Jews will become second class

citizens. They will throw gay people off of roofs. They will hang you from cranes. That is the

world that they want to build. Okay. And we've been fighting this for 2000 years. Okay. You go to

Marxism. And Marxism, if you read the first chapter of the communist manifesto, go to chapter

one of the bourgeoisie and the proletarians. Okay. You essentially get this and I'm paraphrasing

it, but it says the history, all of history is class struggles. It is oppressor versus oppressed.

Okay. So typically what you got from previous kind of like Islamist videos was one of triumph

of defeating the, what do they refer to? I says, the golly, it's just fell out of my head.

Muslims refer to us as what Billy, I forget. Infinals. There you go. Okay. It's right in

this. Yes, hopefully me. Infinals. Right. It's just like a feat. It's triumph of defeat of

this. What do you have here? You have victim engagement, victim embracement, right? We are the oppressed

against this great oppressor, the Satan, United States being the big Satan, the Israel being

the little Satan, but we are oppressed. And we must defeat the oppressor, which is literally

the first chapter guys of the Communist manifesto. So what you have in this video, and this is what

I've said has happened on college campuses. This is why this young generation of socialists

feel somehow empowered to bully Jews or light them on fire is this embracement of a Marxist

worldview of oppressor versus oppressed. And when you do that, when you start to buy into this

oppressor versus oppressed mindset, you morally green light anything that the oppressed

do against the oppressor. So if you're Hamas, for instance, and you're oppressed by the Jews,

well, then you fly your little carts into Israel and you put babies in ovens because you are oppressed,

fighting the great oppressor. If you're standing with the oppressed here in America, well,

then you bully and harass the Jewish student that just happens to be going to class.

And you're seeing this play out in how socialist justify their actions. There's no moral guidance

there other than we are fighting the oppressor, the great oppressor. And so in this video,

you have that perfect merging of Islamism and Marxism coming together. And it affirms what I've

been saying for a long time. So yeah, it's that's interesting. Yeah, because I can see that the

oppressed and oppressor. And I think it also does, you know, from a Rand's point of view,

proof positive of the, they're trying to define the US as the great Satan, the great oppressor.

And they're saying that, you know, obviously, Israel is their little buddy. And we talked about

this as well inside of the war that one of the problems that we may have on the public relations

front will be that the strong person in charge of Iran is going to walk around with all the

Iranian citizens and go look at all the stuff that the Americans destroyed. And we're the ones

putting it back together. That's a stronger message. It's going to be, you don't see the Americans

here trying to make sure your lights turn on. You don't see the Americans here making sure the

hospitals running. It is us that is doing this. Remember that. Yeah. And that plays into that idea

of an oppressor. I can see. Yeah, it's a, that's a good perspective. Yeah.

Billy and I talk about this Iranian video that was released where it's kind of a, a walkthrough

all those that have been oppressed by America, the Native Americans, the Japanese, the Vietnam,

then Yemen, and then a little girl at the Epstein Island. Yeah, that's a weird one.

Palestinians are going through the sea. And then the Iranians and then oh, yeah,

great Soleimani. Yeah, that was behind all the terrorist bombings. He's been oppressed by America.

That was a weird one. You're like, hey, sympathize with us. Oh, yeah, let's do the detective.

They do live in a weird world. I, when I interviewed some of the Palestinians, they're like, oh,

no, you don't understand this, Jeff. The Jews love their captors. They write thank you notes

to them. And I remember it's been like, I don't know how to debate such lunacy. Yeah, it's,

you're tempted to say, can I see one? Show me one. All right. Let me see where it is. You have

a book of them. Is it? Yeah. And then this missile takes out the, the bowl, the idol of America,

the Statue of Liberty. And it says one vengeance for all. So if you read the Communist

Manifesto, it's the first chapter of it. All of history is a presser and a press. And America's

the great oppressor is real too. And we are the oppressed fighting back. Does it work? Does it land?

Oh, and by the way, no Kings rally on Saturday, 10 a.m. All over. Yes. That's exactly 70,000 people.

That's why it's 1130 downtown. I saw it was 10 a.m. in Parker. They're all over the place.

You go into the no Kings rally. Feel free to give us a call. I'd love to hear from you.

Protest 1130 downtown. March begins at one. And just be careful if you're traveling. I have found

no Kings to not be all that violent. There's like different elements of progressive protest. And

no Kings is, it's like a field trip for the nursing home. Yeah. They all do crafts time and make

their signs and then they get on a bus and they go out and have a nice day outside. I found

them to be relatively peaceful, mostly elderly people at the no Kings rally. Yeah. And the weird

thing that I find inside the no Kings rally is it's an amalgamation of people that are there for

a lot of different reasons. If you went to 10 people at a no Kings rally, you're going to get

eight different reasons as to why they're there. That's exactly right. It's like the first day of

the DNC protest. Oh yeah. The four days in the first day was everything under the sun. And by

day four, it was just Muslims. Yeah. It's just interesting. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the

phone lines. David and San Francisco. Good morning, David. You're on with Jeff and Bill.

Well, hey, morning. Let's see. There's no King, but Jesus, right? Amen to that.

Right. So I would think that Salem should be sending out people to this no Kings rally

because the pretenders to the throne, they're suckering us into.

Did you hear that? David, I got to ask you this though. In line with the comment, do you really think

that the protest tomorrow all around the country is about proclaiming Jesus Christ as King?

Oh, no, it's a no Kings rally. And we're still they don't even believe in Jesus as the King.

Well, does the Saudi Arabian King believe in Jesus?

Or no, of course not. But is it is the Saudi Arabians who are suckering us into it?

Are the Saudis suckering us into this? Into what? Is it Iranian attack?

Well, I did see by the way, I did find that interesting, Billy. Did you see that the King of Saudi Arabia is like,

don't stop. What are you talking about? Oh, yeah, go on. I was. Yeah, he's he's been wanting to remake the area for a while.

There's, um, God, I don't know if I can get this right. Give me just a second here. I've got a

cobwebs or thick this morning. I believe in Saudi Arabia. They've got a is it 20 30 a plan for,

you know, it's like a, it's a plan of, you know, what's Saudi Arabia is doing up until 20 30. I think it's the UAE or Qatar.

It's UAE Qatar or Dubai that has a 2035 plan. And it talks about bringing

their kingdoms into more of a modern age. And what I mean by that is modernizing relationships with both

Israel and the rest of the West that they're trying to navigate the idea of

not being as fundamentalist inside of the religion and being more of a global partner. And remember,

though, that inside of Iran and Saudi Arabia, there is a really big division because the Saudis

are Sunnis and the Iranians are Shias. And so they interpret the religion differently. The

Shias are more fundamentalist. Saudis are Wahabists. Saudis are Wahabists. Those are a specific tiny little

cult of Wahabists, but they're the ones that come up with the crazy pronouncements that always get

the headlines. And Saudis are specifically Wahabists. If you go into their history, the British,

when they discovered oil over there, they needed some guardians. So they basically gave power to

the Wahabists to create a cult of kingdom. And that actually gets into a whole, you know, by the way,

there are no kings rally. I'm recommending people stay at home. Don't spend gas, but make a local

wind down on your corner, David. Make a local no kings in your town. I appreciate what you're saying

about the Saudis being like appreciate David, what you're saying about the Saudis. Groups out on

the corners are funny. We do have to outline David that Wahabism is a subset of Sunnis. So they

both are Sunnis and Wahabists, both are true. Wahabists are the literalists inside of the Sunni

sector, the religion. So that is true. They're Sunnis, but they're also Wahabists. So both statements are true.

When you look at what you were talking about earlier about the communism and whatnot,

if you go to Moses and Moses is supposed to be the same for Christians as it is for Jews,

as it is for Muslims, they all believe in Moses, right? And Moses said that everything belongs to God

and that charging interest, you look at usually laws, charging interest is a sin. And whether it's

a tenth of a percent or 16 percent, it's a sin because it's charging interest on God's property.

And so a hard liner. Yeah, I'm not quite sure that's fully detailed out in the Old Testament.

Maybe, but you get issues of Jubilee years and returning to property back to people, but you

also get the payment and the exchange of goods and all that. So is it on all property? I just don't

know. Well, does God own everything? I think that's an oversimplification of this issue, but yes.

Well, that's the issue between early communism. You remember Karl Marx was the son of a rabbi,

and he took the hard-line position that God owns everything and that to charge interest, which is what

you think Karl Marx is based on some understanding of Judaism? No. It's been over the years, right?

When changed his charged interest? That's not why he turned over the tables.

Well, yeah, they did because they were using inside the temple to charge interest.

Right, but it wasn't just because your charging interest is because you desecrated the house of God.

Well, if you do charge an interest outside the temple door, that's one thing, but when they start

doing it inside the temple door, that's taken whole generations and teaching them that sin is

enormous. And so the viciousness that you're talking about about being a phony, an infidel,

is usually about the ownership of everything. Do you have the right to eat? Do you have a right to

get drink in the water? Do you have a right? This is God's property that we get to use, right?

And so when somebody comes along and says that I can own a million acres and I can

pollute the river, much less refuse to let you get a drink, much less refuse to let

you farm land. David, let me, let me interrupt that phrase. Then do you think that there is any

sort of a claim to personal property at all? Whether you feel it's real or not, does God own

everything or are you diluting yourself? Well, no, I asked you, do you believe there is any claim

at all to personal property? I'm telling you that I don't own even the shirt on my back. I'm

lucky enough to use it. Then help me understand this, help me understand this, David. When

Jesus was calling his apostles and calling people to follow him, he said for them to give up

their worldly possessions. Why would he do that? If he's God and he owns everything, why would he

call them to give up their worldly possessions? Inside of that statement is the word possess,

in flying ownership. But yeah, they hang on the rich people have diluted themselves. Jesus, hang on

and I'm not talking about the rich people. I am talking about the Son of God, the embodiment of our

Lord and Savior here on the planet. If there's any individual in the entire history of our planet

that could in a moment define whether or not personal property is a concept or exists,

that would be the person. And in the time in which he speaks to the apostles and the followers,

he tells them to give up their worldly possessions. If he follows your logic that God owns everything,

why is he telling them to give up what they possess? Help me understand that.

Oh, it's probably in your mind to give it up because you're diluting yourself to begin with.

I mean, did he say that? Did he say that, David? Or are you implying because your logic doesn't work

based on the words? I hear you retconning this, that you are confronted with the fact that Jesus

retconnings go back and remake the story so it fits your particular story you want to tell.

Retconning often happens when you redo something like we're going to tell a new Star Wars or

Star Trek movie and we're going to ignore the previous lore. You're ignoring the previous

in order to make the contemporary true based on your premise. And I disagree. We have an example

where he admitted that Moses is writing. No, it's your premise that God owns everything.

No, it's your premise. Are you retconning Moses? No, not at all because I believe you're misinterpreting

what Moses is talking about to be based on your perception and what you're talking about.

I believe you're you're misinterpreting what Moses the message that he was contained therein.

And even then if we're talking about Christians because you did talk about Jesus and the money

changers, so we're dealing with Christianity here. And I'm dealing with Christianity and saying

that the Son of God identifies and acknowledges human possessions, identifies personal property,

and tells followers to give them up in order to follow him. So he acknowledges it.

Let's say let's say can you still drink of can you bend down a drink from the river

anymore because somebody is authorized somebody to pollute it? Right. Is it is it a real

serious issue that we've gotten into a world where the money is so crazy? Let me and your mind

is something David are so insane that you can't live as a natural man anymore. The Egyptians used to

dump their trash into the Nile. So the idea of clean waterways, that's a relatively new concept.

Well, don't retcon pollution. No, no, no, you're the one that said that because of the modern

world day that you're the one doing river pollution comes from animals too. So anyways,

well gentlemen, David, thank you for the dog. This has been fun. I appreciate it. Have a good weekend.

Yeah, and there's there's where do we go? That was fun. That was a weird carousel.

We're regarding the use of circles. Yes, the Bible says you shouldn't be charging interest rates

to the poor. You need to be kind and compassionate regarding those. But like a blanket prohibition

on commercial interest, you don't really see that there. So and there's there's no ban on owning

things or private properties of your point bill. You're required to give to those to tie that

least 10 percent. Christ claimed to give up all of your possessions to the poor. It proves that

God looks at your possessions as you at least having some ownership. And if it's and if it's

God's to begin with, he can't tie them either. But I mean to this point that God is controlled

everything. Yes, that's true. And the other part that would be strange is that if this was true,

I believe you would see communism lean into the idea of religion more rather than rejecting it.

Rather than you said it, yeah, yeah, because my friend is incredibly powerful when you say we're

doing this because God said so. Yes, it's really powerful motivation. Especially if it's true.

All right, boy, we kicked off a theological debate. We did. On the text messages here.

That is so much fun, though. That's on our side note. That is something that not a lot of

shows have the ability to do normally even touch. But yeah, we jump right into the pool. So a lot of

it's around the issue of of usery or interest rates. And yes, the Bible says as you relate to

family, as you relate to the poor, you shouldn't be charging interest rates. It's like exploitation,

the issue. Yeah, exactly. It does say you could charge a foreigner. Yeah, interest rate. Yeah,

screw them. And whether you get a full ban on any type of commercial interest rate stuff,

I don't see it in there. You're welcome to send scripture. If you want to point,

Bill, please point out to Jeff, the North and the New Testament. Are we commanded to tie 10%

that as an Old Testament commandment? And the New Testament God says he loves a cheerful giver.

I think you have a few different things going on there. One,

Christians don't reject the Old Testament. Yeah, it is a new testament becomes a fulfillment

of the Old Testament. But a lot. And even Jesus said this of what was written as a law,

we are still required to obey the 10 commandments, for instance. Jesus doesn't get rid of the law.

He fulfills the law to the law still exists. But you're right in the sense that God actually,

Jesus asked the rich young ruler, for instance, to give away everything. That needs to be

the position. But when Christians go, well, okay, should I just give everything away?

Or what should I give? I think 10% is a good starting place for Christians to tie

at to what the Bible says, your first fruit should be given in sacrifice. So you get to the Old

Testament law of what do you sacrifice to God? It comes out of your first fruit and 10%.

That gives you the giver a heart, a position to start at that. You are giving back to the Lord

sacrificially because you recognize that what's been given to you is from him. So the money that you

earn, the gifts that you've been given, the inheritance that comes to your family, comes as a

result of God's goodness. So give back. And then as your heart grows and you become more generous,

have the position. Some Christians I know have given everything away to the poor out of obedience to

that. So yes, and God does love a cheerful giver exactly right. 3.5. Oh yeah, and then we have

12 angelists. Yeah, yeah, they're right. They're private jet when you exist without your,

yeah, your wonderful donations, but you can't write on it. And then you have the government,

which forcefully takes it from you and gives it away. So there you go. All right, we'll continue

plus next hour when we've got Larry List and joining us, Colorado State Senator on a new bill

down at the state capital, it could affect sound issues in your community. All this more. You're

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