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What takes the lead?

What takes the pole position here?

Another Saber's win or the, I mean,

whole home.

The Crosby Ravens thing is juicy.

But basically, happy new year in the NFL.

A little bit of an anti-climax with all the news that hits Monday, Tuesday, you know.

Find out about what things then.

They save the best for last night, I guess.

When that Crosby thing fell apart with Baltimore, that was what had been, I think,

you know, I saw some, you know, analysts and people commenting that it'd been

pretty, you know, not that juicy, you know, opening to the lead year or tampering

period, you know, like teams made moves, some teams made big moves, but nothing,

like, whoa, you know, I can't believe, you know, the bills traded a second for DJ

Moore. That was a big deal.

But not earth-shattering, you know, it's not Devonte Adams or Tyree Kill from a few

years ago.

Well, I want to speak to that.

Okay, go further.

I think that that's probably right.

The one reason for that might be that, you know, running backs and receivers

were not that deep or interesting.

Right.

We had Derek Henry and Barclay that one year, you know,

like scars at that position.

And you just mentioned two receivers that happened in the same offseason.

There really wasn't that an Alec Pierce, who, I mean, most people are going to be

like, who's Alec Pierce?

Didn't even get to free agency in the end.

But you know, that's the same to me, whether he did or didn't.

Quarterback, though, I mean, there's still more.

The color is right.

Murray still got to find a chair.

You've got, you know, my annual divesting themselves,

Geno Smith going home to New York.

Murray, I think he's going to Minnesota.

Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

Yeah, so it's been stuff.

But anyway, last night was just, you know, the Max Crosby thing falling apart

was just the plot twist.

Maybe the NFL offseason needed.

It was maybe a little dull.

I'm not sure it's one that wanted.

I don't disagree with that either.

This was not scheduled.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think so.

But there's so it's just so intriguing to think about the layers.

I was listening to the Trapaso and Matt and Nate Geary have been in here.

Most of this week in the one to three timeslot.

And I don't know, late in the one o'clock hour,

I was on my way here, you know, nearing two o'clock, so 10 to two.

Chris started talking about conspiracy theories as he's having,

I think his birthday is this weekend and they're having a conspiracy theory party,

which is a thing, apparently.

I did not know what I want to hear about that.

You know, everybody comes and you can, you can provide a slideshow.

I suppose like just your favorite conspiracy theory.

You can be, you know, serious about it or have fun with it.

I suppose, but the idea is to sell like here's why I believe this is real, right?

This Patrick Ewing and the 85 draft is a sports one.

Chris mentioned, right?

And that led him to is a good job by him sort of laying this out.

Thinking about could the Ravens have been seeing the whole board the entire time, right?

We'll make a big trade for Max Crosby.

He's coming off an injury, right?

Well, we probably have a way out of it if we need it.

But let's, let's, let's trade, let's make a big trade, sort of set the market.

And maybe that will devalue trade Hendrickson in some way.

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Two or three days later, we can pull a pivot and then get Hendrickson for a reduced price

and re-nig on the Crosby trade.

I don't, I don't happen to believe that it goes that far.

I was not invited to this party, but I would not use that one.

No, I wouldn't either.

But is it possible?

It's, it's like, it's, it's above and beyond, but it's certainly as possible.

You, you asked me yesterday, we, we never, you know, had a chance to talk about it.

You know, what I thought about it and like I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would have made that trade.

You still can.

Yeah, you're right.

I wouldn't make it now.

I would make it for a one in a five.

I shouldn't have to stick her now.

Why not?

It just because he was already hurt.

It's, I know, but the whole specter of the thing is damaged now.

Like, to me, there's no way I, you know, maybe the Raiders won't trade them at all now

because they know they can't get what they originally got.

That's what they're telling me.

The world's dying.

I've seen these is what they're telling them.

Like, I mean, even her wording was so over, over done.

But this is what the Raiders are going to need, words to that effect.

I mean, you can still try.

It's very perico-esque.

It's even two firsts, which is what the Sabers were reported to.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, he giving off for a perico-

A pick in a player.

Yeah, he made, but yeah, I guess it starts with the player's attitude about it all just as perico did.

I mean, obviously different because he had control over the whole thing

and didn't want to come to Buffalo or leave it all and ended up not leaving it all.

Crosby doesn't quite have that, but if he's disgruntled, if he gets all sensitive about,

and yeah, I'm not saying that in a bad way, this team doesn't want me, then the Raiders probably have to move them.

And maybe they can't get two ones.

I think the world kind of thought that was egregious for a price.

Not everybody.

There's also that in terms of perico, by the way.

So I think maybe it has to start there.

Is Max Crosby willing to just play for the Raiders after this?

And I don't know that answer.

I haven't seen anything publicly that he won't.

Right.

I mean, most of the big, like the big ESPN NFL network is he's there rehabbing 6 a.m.

And the plan is to proceed as though he's going to play for them this year.

And that to me, sounds a lot like, you know, just keep your head down.

And we're going to try to salvage what we can here, right?

Like we're still, we're still going to try to trade you.

We have a bunch of other stuff in place that we did with the expectation that you weren't on our team anymore.

You know, maybe even that we would have two number one picks coming in, you know, in the next two years or so.

And now that's gone.

You know, teams do, I'm not going to go back a long time, but didn't Chuck Knox sort of tell O.J. Simpson, like we all know you want to get out of here.

Just play, just to me a favor, just don't, just don't be a jerk and I'll make it happen.

What happened?

I've read that in a book somewhere and eventually, you know, they, they made a trade, like then I need you holding out.

Just come on in.

We'll do it.

We'll, you know, you got my word and they did.

Maybe that's what's happening with Crosby now.

Come in and play nice and don't, you know, I don't need your posting cryptic messages anywhere.

Just keep your head down and we'll still try to figure something out here.

That's just a guess on my part.

Well, you know, the bills are interesting to have to, the team, to have B the team we talk about because one question is

after two days of action is there still the same market for him.

I mean, Baltimore's out.

But yes, you know, other teams have made their moves and don't have the cap room.

They would have had maybe they've even signed a player at his position.

So you wouldn't have, you wouldn't, wouldn't be possible to have as many teams,

bidding on them, but it wouldn't either be zero and the bills haven't really done anything.

And the bills could be the, but maybe the most obvious example of a team that could still do it.

I don't know.

I'm definitely not going to crash Chris's party with this one.

Because this is also paraco.

You asked Greg Wiesinski yesterday about like, what does this mean between the GM's involved?

Does one think the other did him dirty by how the information got out or just what happened between the blues and the

sabers and there was Robert Thomas, even before, you know, paraco.

That's one, you're, you're really risking a lot as Baltimore.

If this was all a big scheme, it might have crossed their minds.

Look, we could get to Tuesday night.

We could get into this and see if Hendrickson is available for what we want to pay.

Like see if that's doable.

We do have an out.

I think they would have known that.

So I think I would be willing to go that far on the Ravens.

And then you can say what you want about the scruples of that.

I mean, some are going to, like Sam Manson is out there today.

So telling like it's no, no big deal.

It's not that bad with Baltimore.

He's kind of talking like that.

A lot of people would think different.

So I could see the Ravens having Hendrickson, you know, in mind through that and

something about his price changed maybe or that was the story going into yesterday was that he's like,

there's a one report said he's as much as $10 million off what teams are offering.

Like he thinks he deserves 30 and teams are going to 20 or maybe he thinks he

deserves 40 and someone was going to 30.

I don't know what the math was exactly.

But 10 million was a gap that was reported in the marketplace.

At least it from, you know, maybe what one source knew.

So it's, it's possible, like, you know, the whole like doing it to affect

Hendrickson is probably really far fetched.

But I don't think it's far fetched at all to see a few days after committing huge assets.

Two number one picks and then the money you got to pay the guy and see the marketplace

shifting in such a way that a comparable enough player.

I mean, same position.

They're not the same.

They've different strengths and weaknesses.

But another player that I don't have to pay the price of two number one picks for is going

to cost me probably even less than Crosby's current contract or the contract.

I'm going to give him when he comes here or whatever it was and just go, yeah,

I'm better off with Trey Hendrickson in two number one picks.

Like what, what objective football fan wouldn't tell you?

You're better off with two number one picks the next two years and Trey Hendrickson.

Sure.

Rather than Max Crosby.

I like, I prefer Max Crosby as a football player, but you put everything on the scales and

having the two number ones in Hendrickson kicks the crap out of having Max Crosby.

Well, that's always the debate.

Like that's the DJ Moore conundrum, isn't it?

Like just whether or not I could have waited.

Maybe the Bears caught him eventually.

There were people who thought that was possible.

Maybe even likely Michael Pittman might have been available to the bills.

I'm not to say that I know how they feel about him, but I like him a lot.

That could have been something that probably would have been a lot cheaper because he was for

Pittsburgh to acquire.

So there's always that part of it.

I wouldn't, I told you yesterday when we thought he was a raven.

Like I, I usually, I usually like respect admire what Baltimore does because, you know,

that's kind of how a lot of people look at the ravens and the Eagles.

You know, they're one of those teams.

They everybody's just always impressed, but I hated that trade for Baltimore.

I think they were lucky to be able to get out of it, you know, for the reasons you said.

And now they get somewhat of a comparable player just for money without having to trade those picks.

How would we feel?

Would this be one like so many things where if the bills had done this, we would applaud.

But if somebody else does it, I mean, you and I, but you know, fans would be like, what do you mean?

Fine.

I mean, I didn't have time to buy a jersey yet anyway.

It's within the rules.

It's, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to damage guy on my team.

Right.

This is better.

And as you know, if we had spent two days, if we've been Baltimore and spent two days,

because there's no hockey team in Baltimore, so just talking about Max Crosby on our team.

And whether or not this was a good trade and you have the, you know, the, whatever the factor is of

when it's your team doing it, that affects one percent of the fan base likes it.

But there would have been like heated debate.

Sure.

And you and I would have been on different pages.

Yeah, like just whether or not this is something the Ravens should have done.

Then you find out, well, guess what?

It's not, it's not actually happening.

And they're doing this kind of a lot of wasted time.

Right.

And if you, if you thought giving up two number ones was ridiculous, then, you know,

and you yelled that a lot on the radio or whatever, you know, wherever you do your sports

commentating, then you win.

You, you come away feeling like, well, okay, I got out of that.

Sort of like how I ended up feeling about Paraco.

Like I like Paraco as an idea, as a player, he, he definitely would have made the Saber's

better. I just, I don't think he's quite what he used to be.

And the price was so, so raunchy to me that is that, you know, I was kind of relieved when

that fell apart, ultimately, because I, I think they were overpaying for that player.

Again, not to say that he, would I rather have him than Logan Stanley on my team?

Nothing against Logan Stanley?

Sure.

Paraco is a better hockey player than that.

But the price being two number ones versus Roseanne and,

right away, Bryson, like, okay, like those guys to me are spare parts and no big deal.

So, you know, that the price makes everything, hit can make everything, you know, a little more

palatable, or, you know, not appetizing, which is the case with Paraco and with a lot of people

with Crosby. I would imagine, you know, thinking about the Sabers now, how does this play out?

What we're going to do, like, you say, well, they would have been a better team with Paraco than

Stanley. And I'm thinking to myself, are they ever going to lose another game?

I mean, just what does it matter?

Of course, yesterday we found out they're going to lose eight of their next nine, right?

That's what we found out yesterday because of the 2006 narrative.

No, I mean, what ultimately, I guess, decides whether that trade was worth doing with Winnipeg

is how the season ends, you know, like, why did you do that?

Why did you make that trade for those two defensemen?

Well, you want a little bit of a different makeup in your lineup, but mostly you want insurance.

If I end up in a series where I'm getting roughed up, if a game like Sunday happens,

I'm going to put them in. Somebody gets hurt, I'm going to put Luke Shannon maybe, like, you have,

or for the same reason, even, like, you have that kind of insurance that teams may or may not end

up needing. And I can't believe this team is so good that it's just going to be a joyride all

the way to the top, like, probably you as a GM have to prepare for those possibilities.

So making these kinds of trades make sense. It's also possible that they really won't be any better

for it. Right. And if they don't have injuries and they can hold up physically like they did on

Sunday without even Logan Stanley, then okay, I mean, but you did it. And when you win, like I always

say, everybody knows everything was right. You know, there's no, there's no way the Sabers would even

like make the conference finals. Probably win the cup. Let's just start there. There's no way they're

going to win the Stanley Cup. And people are going to be, you know, bothered by that they didn't

keep their number two. You guys, the draft isn't buffalo. No, I mean, we're not going to hear that.

No, there's a, there's a point at which we will. Woshinsky said he really liked how Winnipeg did.

You know, he doesn't really like the players very much. Right. And thought maybe thought, you know,

if you're, if you're that way, anything you get in the way of futures is a plus. Yeah. And Rosanne

could be. He's been kind of log jammed here. And maybe he'll, he's going to get an opportunity,

at least from here to the end of the year. And maybe, you know, he goes into next year,

mattering for them. You know, it could definitely could happen. He's still young. So it's not for

me. He just was outranked by guys in this organization. So to me, he's expendable. To Winnipeg,

he might be a bright young opportunity, which is, you know, fine. So the eye of the beholder,

whatever. To me, Hellenius and Osland and guys like that, I've already passed Rosanne on the,

you know, on the 90 from Rochester to here. So you're that far down. You know, I can, I can do

it out. You plus the Sabers. I mean, what a luxury, but also like it changes some of that analysis,

I think player versus player. They have built a team that no one wants to touch. I mean,

trade deadline came around and nobody wanted to trade anybody off the, off the Sabers roster,

right? Because you just don't do that. Alex Tuck was a conversation until when end of January.

Yeah, when they got once they got hot again after the hot streak, it just became that,

forget it. There's no decision. No one's even having a conversation about this. Right.

Not happening. Right. So maybe that's interesting for Hellenius, who wasn't traded, but for Rosanne,

like, there's just not going to be room. And we might like you in a vacuum versus somebody else

that's here, but maybe that would have been Jack Quinn. Right. He goes and scores. Right. That's

that was the guy that from the roster, when you would ask me, and I think I had a lot of company

in this, like, we know, who do you want to upgrade? Like, what would you mess with? Like,

that was the spot. And yeah, there's a hat trick last night. Thanks. Thanks for coming.

I mean, they can do no wrong. It's right. So everything just goes right. Yeah.

You can get them to win the cup at Caesars plus 2500. I realized today, and I told you this,

I don't have an open bet. I've got, I mean, on anything. No. Same. I don't even have a,

like, last year at this time, I would have had a, like, a Stanley Cup NBA finals world series

Super Bowl bet. Where's that? Why didn't we do that? I never got. I never, I still could. It's just,

I never even one of the teams that I had last year won Oklahoma City, the biggest favorite.

One, you had Dallas. Yeah. And the bills and the bills. Yeah. They didn't win. No. So, um, Seattle.

I just didn't, I just didn't bother. I mean, I still could. Obviously, the hockey playoffs and

basketball playoffs have not begun yet. You can probably do that any day of year. Right. Make

a bet like that. Yeah. The day after one final ends, you can do a whole new one for next year.

So yeah, you could do one right now that would pay out after the Super Bowl. So 11 months.

Mm-hmm. And that's a long time for somebody else to be holding your money. But if you,

you know, if you want to, you want to play, I got a text from a friend last night and I saw

this elsewhere too that his bet on the Sabers over their point total cast last night.

Already hit. Yeah. 86. 85 and a half. Maybe was the number. Yeah. So with what? 17 games left.

They've already won that. Yeah. You get the money. I don't even know. Maybe it varies.

Do you get, do you get paid today or do you have to wait? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know

how that works. There's no way you can lose points. There's not that I'm aware of. I don't even,

I don't think there's even a punishment that the commissioner could meet out for some

egregious, something or other that would cost you points. I don't think there is, but I'm going to

enjoy trying to think of something that should be that. Hagel against Dallin should be like you

lose a point in this. Just for being idiots. So I saw a graphic with odds from different sports

books on the Sabers Cup idea and that was the best one. Caesar. So Sam would tell you this is not

your style. No, go shop around shop around price shop with this. Do we have a picture of DJ

Moore holding a pen yet? I was on ADP chasing last night when the story broke on Max Crosby and the

guys had their fun with. Is there still time? Is there not still time for the bills to back out?

Of the DJ Moore trade. I can't right. Couldn't this start a trend? But I don't believe that's the case.

Yeah, I mean, Baltimore is risking reputation wise. I think quite a lot by any of this, especially

if somebody thinks it was like a master plan the whole time, which I just don't know. I don't

really either, but even if it even if it wasn't a master plan, if it just came, you know, yesterday

they were sitting in a conference room just like going over like, you know, we really could

walk away from this and pivot to this other guy and like, what is the damage? You know,

what kind of day? Out here, there's going to be, you know, fans thinking if they like the Ravens,

like you already alluded to, you'll defend them. If you don't, you'll think they're up to something

and it's nefarious or whatever. And people within the league will draw the same kind of lines

probably to some extent. But when it comes down to it, if if the Ravens have a player that they're

trying to trade in a future year here, right? Some some Kyle Hamilton is available there at an

impasse. Teams are not going to engage in talks with them. Of course, they're going to go, you

got a guy I want. I'm going to talk to you. I think it might manifest on like a personal level

between GMs who know each other. And it's like, this is a pretty sneaky move. Wonder what sneaky

Joe would say. Well, I'm guessing he's all for it. I've seen a lot of comparisons to fantasy football

with this. Like people saying kind of the obvious, if even I'm not sure it's normally true. But

if this happened in your fantasy league, the person will be thrown out hardly ever does anybody

get thrown out of a fantasy league. Like you've got to do something because most of the time people

are friends and they don't really want to throw out. Right. George. But he makes a trick. I mean,

I was in a league where I quit over something similar because I had made a trade and a third

person who was the commissioner went reached out to the other person in my trade and said, look,

you might not want to do that for that maybe you're missing this particular aspect of this. And then

the other guy who I made the deal with contacted me like a couple of days later and said, I hate to do

this, but I want to back out. I want to cancel our deal. And I went, I, I suspected it and I went

right to the commissioner and I said, did you talk to Doug? And he said, yes, I said, I quit.

Like my friend Mike once said, when he and I were in a league that was kind of shady,

there's too many leagues out there. Right. Nowadays, you'll never go wanting for a fantasy league to

play in as soon as you have reason to think the trust is fractured. Right. Forget it. That's it. Right.

But in this case, like, you know, they're one of the 32 teams and they'll have players and they'll

be doing business. And I just think eventually as hot as it might seem right now and even as

hot as some GMs might be about it, that a lot of business gets back to being business. And I

got to do business with you. You know, if it's good for me to do business with you, I'll be back

into the business of doing business with you. That's just how works. Yeah. No, no, no time in any,

any fans analysis or our analysis of like trade ideas, is it even almost never? Is it even known

to us what kind of relationship the two GMs would have? Because you'd want it to be irrelevant.

It's just so what if Brandon Bean and this guy are not, you know, buddies, whatever, you don't

even know and you really would rather not care. 803 05 50 for your calls, Max Crosby want to do it?

I mean, we can talk about it. They'll be more with the bills as still we're not even quite too

the official beginning. I think we, I don't think we can get a DJ more picture with a pen

until four o'clock. I saw Greg dulcich with a pen. Yeah. And I thought it was pen season, but maybe

not. Also, the continuing amazing story of the Sabers, were you in the building last night?

When did you sort of feel like you were buying in on this or maybe you're still not? I don't know,

but we're certainly interested in that conversation too. Mike's open the bulldog here. This is WGR.

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