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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple of Nukes. As always, I'm

your host, Mr. Whiskey, and I am currently traveling on the road, not in my normal studio,

so I apologize if this sound or visual quality is not as good, but we're going to get into

today's episode regardless. And going on, approaching 300 episodes here, not too long

from now on a couple of weeks. And so I have interviewed a lot of people, and has become

increasingly more difficult to really get my attention and shock me. But today's guest

was able to do that. I looked through his bio online, and I was like, this is something

different. You know, I've come across a lot of stories. And this is a unique one. The

uniqueness sense that is the first time I've heard of it, but I think there are a lot of

people going through the same thing. He went through who just aren't talking about

it or sharing about it. And so that's why I think this conversation is going to be really

important. You know, a lot of people feel like they're alone. And as today's guest

breaches, a lot of social media has put forward that isolation by showing a lot of highlights

of life. I'm not showing the struggles. And so so many people are playing this comparison

game that is just destroying their mental health and physical health. So we're going to

get into that today with Mr. Camcorder. Great to have you here. And could you please tell

us a little bit about yourself?

Well, I'm 49. I've had three divorces. I'm currently remarried again. And I'll start

with how I got to this point shortly. But basically, I can start back like 20. And I was in

my probably early 20s that I was really attached to work and training. I was always really

in the sports, but I got hooked into I was obsessive about work, obsessive about

the training jujitsu. And I had relationships that like I was there, like I wasn't abusive

or anything like that. I was at home paying the bills, but I wasn't mentally there. Every

chance I could get I I vanished. You know, I was training or working. I never really had

time to connect. And maybe you can make a point that I chose poorly as well, most likely.

And over the years, like I would beat myself up, I would beat my body up, like really,

really badly. And it started probably a 37. One day I woke up and I was training and I was like,

wow, you know, I'm aching like really badly, more than normal. I kept going and never really

gave much to it. But by the time, like 42 hit, I was going through my second divorce. I was

married 16 years to her. I had a son. And like literally, I was going to move out of the country.

And it was strange is all of a sudden my hands were dead. Like literally, I woke up one day,

I couldn't even feel them. And my joints, shoulders, neck, back, it felt like someone took like

crowbar tool. And I was like, what is happening? I still ignored it. And I went on like probably

maybe midlife crisis at 42. And I rebounded and found another girl 16 years younger.

And continued on my path. Like it was fun for a while. And it was back to training hard wherever I

was. And the hands and like everything was worse. And I said, you know, I have to go see a doctor

because like I mean, they were burning all the way up to my elbows. And I was in a foreign country.

They strapped up electrodes to my hands to read the nerve impulse. And the look this woman gave me,

it was it was a look of horror because there was no impulse at all.

And this was roughly like right before COVID. So I sought out a doctor, a really good doctor

in the US. And they did the surgery. And the guy told me afterwards, he's like, you should get

most of the feeling back. And I was like, oh my god, what have I done to myself?

Meanwhile, the rest of my body was still falling. And I went right back to my old routine,

training nonstop, creating problems with my relationship. And we're back in the US.

My son moved in with me. And everything seemed that wasn't great. You know, it like based on

everything. Like it was functioning, but it wasn't good. It was a Saturday night.

My ex-wife and I, we agreed, we're going to get a divorce. And I thought to myself, I walked

outside. It was a beautiful Saturday night in Florida. I walked outside and I thought like, wow,

is this it? I was 44 at the time. I said, is this my life now? My son is going to graduate high

school two and a half years. I'm on my third marriage. It's ending. So what do I have going

for myself? I'm 44. I feel like 70. What am I going to do? And I saw that like the moon,

the moon on the deck reflecting. And I saw some kettlebells I hadn't used for a while. And I looked

at it and I said, by the time my son finishes high school, if I don't feel like I did when I was

swimming, I'm going to take that kettlebell and walk into the pool with it. And at that moment,

I felt like instant relief because there was an end game. It wasn't like I'm just going to quit,

but I had a mission. And along the way, I tried everything to heal my body. But I radically,

it was my mind that was my body healed, but my mind healed as well. It was a hard journey.

I tried crazy stuff. I was finished with doctors and I did forget to say this, but I did go to

doctors with the pains and everything. It didn't help. They never really, truly helped. They just

wanted to do a slow managed decline with pain medication. And I said, no way, I'm not going to do

that because my life was always physically active. I wore this like a badge of honor.

So I went on the path. I tried everything you can think of and made some really great discoveries

and basically created a system around this that has great results. A lot of people have had it,

have really, really experienced tremendous effects. And basically, it's a pretty simple system.

But we'll go into it. It's pretty intense as well.

Right. Now a couple of things. So were you U.S. born and raised? Yes.

And so you headed out of country for treatment or you happened to be out of country at the time?

I went out of the country for a woman.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I don't blame you there. You know, that's a whole episode on itself. I don't

blame you there. But okay. That's true. I mean, I've changed states before for a woman,

but out of country is a whole bigger journey. And then you talked a lot about training, training,

training. Is this just maintaining your physical health or was this fighting? Was this gym routines?

What was this training you were doing? It was a jujitsu. Okay.

For the last 25 years. And then before that, I was always a youth, you know, all American swimmer.

And after that, I was really into the weightlifting. I was always kind of a freak of nature with

strength. And I was in the wrong sport. But, you know, I tore my body up with that too. Everything

takes a toll. I mean, right. Eventually, the receipt comes due for the damage you do for your

body. It's just a matter of time. Yeah. I was looking at some of the Mr. Olympia champions in the

past and what they look like now and their health struggles. And it's so sad to me to see that the

peak they reached in after the consequences of that. You look at Mr. Olympia guys, David Goggins,

a lot of these hardcore athletes. And it's like, you know, that's a personal trade off. If you want

to have that peak and then, you know, the consequences. But would you say that was the root cause

or how did you determine? Did any doctor try? Because I know on the show, we've talked a lot about,

they do a lot of symptom management. Not a lot of root cause destruction, root cause analysis.

So did anyone try to get to the root of her pain? Or was it always just here? The symptoms,

let's deal with it. I mean, like the nerve damage was, you know, a trap nerve, but I waited too long.

And it was also like I did let like broken bones, like just I kept going. And that's probably

it wasn't smart in hindsight. But I didn't want to miss, you know, I really enjoyed it.

But it came with a cost. I don't regret anything. But would I have been smarter if I could go back

and time properly? I get it. And serving in the military, you know, having done that, there's a lot

of people who will just tough it out and go through it cause they don't want to deal with medical or,

you know, maybe losing their job temporarily or whatever it may be. If not for losing a lot of

athletes, push for back-to-back competitions and stuff like that. And then I assume you were

actively competing in jujitsu, correct? No, I just enjoyed it. Yeah, no. I just didn't have

time with work. Yeah. But that would probably be even worse if I was competing because then it

would probably be more damage. Right. And the other factor too is you don't know when your body

breaks down and fits from the damage you do or if there's a genetic component as well. And I

did fail to bring this up, but like my father has a genetic nerve disease. And I've punched him

to climb piece by piece over the years with his function. And that was also another like

deciding factor. Like I did not want to live my life in like a managed decline. So I set out for

like, you know, go all in or nothing. Right. And then I know from reading your bio online and you

mentioned it earlier in episode, you talked about a 911 day death contract. And that was basically

what you mentioned earlier, making a decision. You were either going to change or, you know,

and you're now 770 plus days past that deadline. So I'd love to get into the process of from when

you made that agreement with yourself to now what changed and how did you do that change?

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Well, there I mean there's so much and like if I could go back in time I teach it in a different

order obviously just be right because it makes but like I could go through the steps what changed

is eventually I didn't get divorced but it wasn't that night. It was two years later.

The first thing I changed was I started really experimenting with a lot of stuff. The first

probably one that I noticed that was really effective is nice and nice and is one of those

vitamins. If you ask a doctor about it the flushing one they'll discourage it that say it's not

good for you it causes liver damage. It really it helps with the nerves it helps open up your

vessels because your blood vessels to increase in it you know you turn bright red.

In its phenomenal it's a vitamin that acts both as a vitamin and the drug and it helped me with

my nerves but it also helped me just mentally as well because I was in a bad spot everything was

kind of like falling down on me right and it was very enjoyable and it really helped you know

oxygenate the joints and everything else so that was probably like maybe one of the first things

that worked really well and I told it to a lot of friends that had issues that I trained with

or just knew as you should try nice and and they loved it a lot of people hate the flush

but I can say I enjoy it it's one of those things if you know it's coming it's like 30 minutes

but 30 minutes to an hour but it's it's rather enjoyable if you just accept what it's happening to

you you know but also a couple people really dislike it. Right and for those who aren't familiar

at all with what the flush is could you kind of explain what that is? It's like your skin turns

bright red you feel like a burning burning feeling in your face it's really just an amazing

vitamin that really doesn't get talked about it actually gets discouraged by doctors and it's

super cheap you can find it on Amazon like 500 milligram capsules for like nothing in like a huge

bottle for $12. Okay so it's kind of a hidden gem I think no one talks about

so it's worthwhile and that was one part of your process and that was that was one part the

the other part that really helps and I think it applies to so many people and it sounds silly

is massive water consumption is that most people I've worked with they don't drink a lot of water

100% yeah and like I always go through people's routine and I said well what's the first thing

you do when you wake up and they say I go get make coffee and I know from my my routine that

I'm having 90 ounces of water before having coffee you know from the moment I get out of bed you

know I have 30 ounces I do a little bit morning work another 30 ounces then I go down to my office

you know the plan the day another 30 ounces then it's coffee and I think that people underestimate

the power of water and if you don't have enough water it's gonna cause anxiety shallow breathing

and then you throw coffee on top of it first it's like throwing gasoline on a fire already it's

just that it's just terrible so that's really important and the next thing I would say

and it's really kind of a strange one to say is clutter it clutter is if you have clutter like

physical clutter in your house if you walk in your house and it looks like an episode from

quarters there is no way you can ever accomplish anything I think that a clean space

is one of the big like you have to have you can't because if you don't have it you have those

piles of someday I'll do this close everywhere it's like you're walking in and it's

instant anxiety and like you have to eliminate that I didn't eliminate that till my divorce was

going on and I saw it it was a big you know like aha moment but once you eliminate clutter it you

also eliminate a lot of decisions so that preached like if you walk into it you should start

room by room if you haven't used it in six months get rid of it because most likely you're not

going to use it ever again of course there's always that time like if I had that I threw it away

it would it this would have been great but how often does that happen it gives you such peace of mind

so I think like when you have like like fry I had the death contract you need a peace of mind

because you have a clear vision everything else is just an obstacle so it's really important that

you know if you have that goal and there's a deadline attached to it you have to make sure everything

functions smoothly and clutter is a sure way to derail the process and I do talk a lot about

digital clutter people have a million notifications they can't find apps on their phone and it's like

I look at my phone here I literally have one screen I put everything in folders know where they are

I turn off notifications and I think if you don't hear the notifications again it's less noise

and you can focus on your task at hand but just any distraction from what you're trying to achieve

is going to derail you you can think people push back at it say why I need to know these notifications

why anything that's truly important you know about it and you can have a notification on it but if

it's some group chat that you know people just said means means all day it's like shut it off

eliminate it you have to go through you know just give rid of it so that's my I know it sounds

kind of silly but like you have to have a good environment if you're trying to achieve something

otherwise it's just you're adding and that's the other thing I really hammer home

is subtraction is a problem solving method is you don't need more you have to in people reject this

it's hard when people hear that is people always want to say why what should I do I'm going to add

this to my daily life it's like add it where you know it's like oh your house is on fire and you

want to add stuff to it you have to remove and anytime you have like we all are systems and this

is one thing I talk in my book about is you have to have a system but we'll go to that later is

when you add something your system is less robust and then it becomes more fragile and I can

give you this example I'm sure everyone's experienced this you go to a new new location you're

to new hotel and you go in and you see the shower and like I like the one shot like the one turn

you know you can you can figure out what the temperature is some showers have two and you're like okay

and you say I have to sit there and mess with the knobs a little bit longer and then there's the

third option where you have the three three ones and you have to figure out which shower head

to go and you're like oh my god and automatically you're feeling anxiety the second day you're like

oh I don't want to take a shower this thing is such a nightmare so when you add you do cause more

anxiety because it's another decision in your life so that like environment you have to clear

that out I mean I can go a long time on environment and the other thing about environment is after

you get rid of clutter is if you truly are trying to change you have to kill out kill off old

identities and you have to be aware of those old identities and to do that you also have to get

rid of all the items that that old identity has if that makes sense it does in relationships as

well there are certain people you need to cut out your life when you're trying to move and changing

to a certain direction if they're not in alignment with fit and I agree about the organization and

the environment and I really appreciate the comment on the digital clutter because we are constantly

being bombarded by advertisements by messages by posts by notifications like you mentioned we all

know that one group chat or in particular that one friend who never seems to works it seems to

always be on their phone sending you stuff and it's hard to ignore that it just clutteres up your

space in your mind and I think a great example is like you could be have stuff put aside and then you

get a notification you're like I'll look at it later but then it just keeps nagging at you to look

at it and I think it's a huge distraction and I think you know we're looking at get more cars get

a bigger house get more rooms get more stuff get more furniture so it's always this more more more

yeah and we've seen some push for the more minimalism life and I think it is extremely beneficial

that's why I think that is super important the digital clutter than the real room and I think

when you have clutter the more builds up I also feel like it produces and breathes the spirit of

laziness you know like it slowly you just become lazy and lazier because being lazy becomes

more efficient you know when you have a routine you have to be disciplined to follow it but when

you don't make your bed when you are just throwing stuff on the ground looking for stuff

now tell you I hate having to look for clothes through all piles of laundry when I have it all

organized it makes life easier and that efficiency like you said it's directly related to anxiety

to depression and to your productivity so I think it's super important and then I know from

your bio and you mentioned your book which we'll get into as well you talk about cold exposure

carnival diet and kettlebells being kind of three main pillars of what you did on top of

sitting up that environment for yourself so can tell us a little bit about that

well the first time actually if we could jump back I would like to because one of the big things in

my book and it's kind of like because I labeled it savage chill and the savage part is being

willing to do the things that are uncomfortable on purpose right and the chill part is the rules

no panicking no winding and if you have savage without chill you just have aggression

and if you have chill without savage you just have laziness so this is like the the foundation

of two rules and I can tell you it's a great story as it was 2008 I was living in Lake Tahoe at

the time and my son was maybe four you know I don't remember the exact date but we would go out on

hikes every day and it was snowing and the snow was you know up to his knees and we would go on

really long hikes I really you know pushed them for walking and the snow was coming down

and all of a sudden like we're 45 minutes away and it's starting to come up to you know it's

well passed like almost to his hip and I was like okay and he's struggling and now it's finally

up to he's stepping in places and it's going up to his waist he's crying he's like I want to go

home and I and I saw oh my god this is bad and right away I thought like I can't panic you know

if I panic he'll panic so I told him I told him I said Baron I said what I said there's two

rules in life I said no panicking and no whining and and like and he's like okay he he's

takes another step he starts he starts he you know he starts panicking a little I said what's

rule one he's like no panicking I said what's rule two he's like no whining so we did it and made

it back through it you know to the back to the house safely but it was a really profound moment

that I you know it seems like simple rules but it's one of those two simple rules that it can take

a lifetime to master and even then you're never truly going to master it you're going to catch it

faster and I think if you're self-aware to those rules and when panic hits what do you do

you know and you have to call it panic in your head but if you're thinking catastrophe all the time

like worst-case scenarios it's never going to improve the situation and so trying that into the

cold plunge is when you go into a cold plunge and I built mine out of a deep freezer and you can

build it for maybe a thousand bucks if you buy a brand new deep freezer nice and even less

if you buy a used one and if you go in the cold I mean that is that is working on rule one right

off the bat because it's growing it's 30 degrees and you're going to hit it and you are panicking

the first time you go into it is it's terrifying and it teaches you it requires your nervous system

to not panic it works on it and I can't even there's so much cold plunge does I mean it's amazing

what it does for your body but I think what it does for your mind is is unbelievable I mean it's

it fixes people's life tremendously the longer you go in you really have to control your mind

because the human body is extremely resilient but you really connect with the human body

and it's like it's the greatest form of meditation you can have especially for when life comes

at you for real now all these people that go meditate and they sit in the quiet room you know

that's great but it doesn't prepare you for something like when life hits you I mean because

life hits you when you least expect it you have to stay calm and that really teaches you that

and you know when you have you put like I put a deadline on myself it really re-emphasizes

that like the no panicking the no whining and like you start understanding like the voices inside

your head that you know you know when things are bad you can recognize it like you know this

always happens to me like I'm just that guy it's unlucky you know you start recognizing it intentionally

and it becomes a skill to survive into it and do it when you don't want to and the kettlebell

aspect is once my body started really healing and I was doing these long cold plunges

you want to move you know you get out you know you don't want to sit there as

as I can tell you a story it's kind of fun is I was in it and my as soon as I started getting it

I started a minute then two minutes three minutes and I was like this is great I was feeling great

you know like immediate my body felt was starting to feel better and one day I think it was like a

week maybe I hit eight minutes and I was like this is this is great I got out I was feeling good

I wasn't cold all of a sudden I'm like I'm gonna go lie out on the pool deck and I'm lying down

there's a little sun left and out of nowhere I feel like this cold like deep deep cold running

through my veins and I'm like what is going on and I had no idea what the after drop was

and the after drop is when your vessels open up in your limbs it starts putting the cold water

running through the rest of your body and I'm sitting there and I'm like wow I'm actually lying

so I'm gonna die and in next thing I know I fell asleep I woke up I felt reborn but and it was

another thing you know it was a great experience that I talk about in the book too is

people fear death like it's the biggest fear a lot of people have myself included but once you

have experiences like that it was a pretty peaceful experience in like enlightening and then you

start realizing like if you fear it if you fear death or you fear losing you're playing not to lose

versus you're playing to win and once you get that mindset right you have to play to win

playing to lose just doesn't work you're gonna lose someone that's playing to win you'll meet

and that's you have to have that mindset and I think if you push past discomfort to you know

each time pushing harder and harder and not comparing yourself to others but to yourself you're

improving each time you're getting tougher and you're you have a setbacks it's fine but I think

you have to have that mindset again with a goal is playing to win because you know like for me

I committed to contract and I was honoring it and I'm gonna play the win so anyway I got off

a little tangent on the cold plunge but then right after I started doing the longer cold plunges

I just saw the kettlebells and I said I have to do these this is the way the warm up because it

really makes you sweat so I started doing that and like I started feeling really great after it

and it is it is such a great system and that I found that you know it was just like an obvious

fine that you want to do it in that order you know cold then workout and I found this one it makes

you want to work out because I'm gonna be honest I'm sure everyone's gonna be honest it's like

working out is not that fun if you're doing it right like I don't ever really ever remember being

can't wait to go out there and kill myself today working out but this makes you like you have

the choice you can warm up really slow and painfully or you can start with the kettlebell and you

want to do the workout you're ready for the workout so it takes away the need for motivation it's

because you you can either go in and you go you know go inside and warm warm up really slowly

or just say you know I'm gonna work out get my body moving so it's one of those things that

it's a lot about the whole book is you like motivation you can't live on motivation you have to

have it designed into the program so you succeed because if you rely on motivation motivational speakers

to get you going it's not gonna work yeah so that's that that's my point like the kettlebell

it's like a great tool I look at it is you can do it all in your house you go to the gym you have

to wait you have to wait for equipment a lot of a look most of the stuff at the gym is ridiculous

not really give you functional strength I won't I won't go into I can go into a long rant about

exercise equipment just like the gym mentality but if you do it in this order you don't have to

go to the gym spend 15 20 minutes going then driving back is you're going right in the cold

plunge you're getting out drying off and you're grabbing the kettlebell the workout is

maybe 15 to 20 minutes I mean you're doing it at a high speed little rest because you want to

keep moving you know because you could feel the cold catching you when you get out so you want

to keep moving so it's like there is no motivation to work out hard it just comes to you naturally

any year in like an animal instinctual way you're ready to attack it so it's to me it's the most

sustainable system like I've ever been in like I've been doing lots of like to me this is the greatest

and everyone that tries it absolutely loves it just because it's you don't need motivation

if you and I think I don't know if you agree but like if you rely on motivation you're going to just

you're kind of doomed a little long run I always put forward you know motivation is garbage you

know it's about being driven and being disciplined that's a lot of the great athletes will tell you

you know motivation fades you know motivation like you said listening to motivation of speaker

could motivate you for a day two days maybe even a week but it fades you know what happens when

there are plantimes where I go for a run or I wake up and I go to the gym and I don't want to

you know it's my body sore or I'm tired or the weather sucks you know that's a huge

lot of running I run for an hour straight every other day or every two days and it's been nasty

weather it's been cold see I rather want to run in most people love the cold I I rather run when

it's 90 than run when it's 30 you know I that's just be personally but you know they're they're

planted times where I don't want to run where I'm running and I'm like you know what let's just

turn back we don't we don't need to run an hour we we already ran 20 minutes that's more than most

people ran this week but it's about keeping that discipline and drive focusing on like you said

having an end goal having results or one of the things that David Goggins talks about is

setting goals that are too easy to meet that too short and then you that now you're out of goals

you know you gotta set different stacks of goals and have long-term ones to reach as well and I

think that's so important yeah I always say motivation fades it could be good if you want to add it

on top of your drive and discipline on those days you're feeling a little more down like you've

got a go-to song or someone you listen to but it shouldn't be what gets you where you're going

it should be maybe something to help you get through what you're already committed to doing

yeah and back to like like like like my workout and cold plunger you know it's very simple

you know everything in my system is simple because simple always beats complex simple works

and you know we do live in an age of we're all fooled by complexity people see something and

they just gravitate towards complexity they're you know all this is great you could use AIs in

instance it still is infancy but like it's a complex complex black box and it does produce a

lot of bad answers but people are mesmerized by the complexity behind it they start believing

the answers even though the deep down they know they're wrong so I talk a lot about systems

I do have a background in systems dynamics and the human body you know is one big system

why doctors fail us because they don't look at it like that but if you have a system and like I'm

very anal about this is I have everything worked out and why I stay on this track is like I have a

morning routine like I know exactly like step by step I wake up there's a 30 ounce bottle of water

next to me I'm drinking it while I'm bad I get up I use the bathroom brush my teeth shave I come

back I'm hitting push-ups leg raises then I start doing other things other exercises and I'm

dragging another third you know I have it all planned out step by step and then I have contingency

plans if I wake up late I'm gonna do if I can't get the whole routine in what do I do you know

and so like if you have everything planned out with contingency plans for like every segment in

your day with you know and I also use checklist so I know it sounds kind of ridiculous but like

at night I have a checklist I'm gonna fill up the water I'm bringing it upstairs I'm gonna make

sure everything is prepped for the morning and I relay on it is because you take away

another decision you have to have another memory when it's written down and it's systematized

you have more willpower for the big items because we only have so much willpower and every time

you you have to make a decision it's willpower and we are flooded with decisions all day long if

you open up the phone and anything else so it's like you don't want your willpower drained because

we only have a finite amount we want it on the big task it's like are you doing like mindless

tasks first thing up on rising if you are is it helping your productivity we're hurting it could

you do it at night when you're brain dead versus you know like you you have to plan the whole day out

in the systematic way and most people don't do that and most people like for a gym routine for

a they want to they see someone online and they're like I'm buying his routine for $80 well that

routine was designed for him it's not designed for you so I don't like the run I can run but I

don't like it personally so your system would not be compatible with my system but I help people

create their system with all the contingency plans on it so you know what to do in it in it

sounds like not very like people want always when they when I work with them they're like

let's get to the good stuff and it's like you gotta you gotta systematize it you gotta adjust

the system you have to be compatible with the system so this system takes everything away so

if you're hurt like I have working out wise if my if I'm hurt I'm gonna do this if I'm not hurt I'm

gonna do this so there's like lots of like even though it's memorized in my head I spent the time

to put it out of paper just to you know to do it and it's like people underestimate how powerful

it is from everything when you don't have to make decisions you're leaving the house for a prologue

period of time like how much water am I gonna bring you know most people does run out the door

you know and it's probably not the best so the best idea because then all of a sudden they're like

oh my god I don't have water they start straight I wish I forget you know I should have brought

this it's like where's your checklist and I mean like if it's good enough for doctors to use

pilots to use the military to use why aren't you doing it for basic stuff right it's all these

small things that unintentionally set you up for failure or success and I think a great example we've

all maybe can relate to or have heard about is you're driving home and you're like I should get

gas now I'll just get it in the morning you know like that's one way to set yourself up for failure

if you're not disciplined enough to wake up earlier and make that time or like you said filling

your water the night before so you don't fall behind your routine waking up and you're like oh

I'm not gonna fill up my water I gotta get going or wherever it is and I think one example too I

like to go to you know a lot of the fictional film industry reflects a lot of real life

pretty accurately and one of those is the Rocky IV movie you know where he's just out in the

woods in the barn training doing pull-ups and push-ups and training for his fight meanwhile they've

got the competitors doing you know these electronic testing they're seeing how much punching force

he has and we've seen other shows do that where you've got one person who's using all this technology

and gear and all these statistics and then you got one person just training the old fashioned way

and you look at like people years before the gym was invented we're getting in shape using

these natural bodybuilding means and we've gotten so far from that like you said there's so much

gymfluencers online so many different people like I was watching you know hundreds of YouTube

videos the other day on working out and guess what everyone's telling you something different

everyone has the best buy set workout the best try set workout right and you said something so

important which is about tailoring it to your physique every one of us is unique our bodies

respond differently to things yes they're general and that's the problem everyone wants a one-size-fits-all

they want to just buy a cookie cutter copy paste routine that they can just do because it makes it

easier it takes away the hard work of having to create checklist of having create systems and so

I think that's one of the unfortunate parts and I do think it's so important to tailor to your

physique based off your height your weight your medical conditions like you said the body is a big

system full of other systems working together and one of the episodes I had we talked about that how

you know so many doctors want to isolate parts and not look at how they work in the system what

parts of the system are affecting it and then going into you know stuff to help our fitness

routine you have your book savage chill which is about you know not just fitness but mental health

and lifestyle as well who would you say as we wrap this episode up would benefit the most from it

I think anyone that wants consistency in their life would benefit because I think there's

like lots of important points like even if you took one important like even just water

it's it's a pretty it will improve your life I mean I have a whole a whole thing on killing

identities subtraction like it going over the four different domains of subtraction I think

it's going to help you regardless whatever whichever section you pick digital discipline clutter

your mind is a battlefield you know I think it's like it's it's kind of a whole like a life

like a life type system and it's like working out and getting strong is part you know is one of the

big benefits and like the diet is good but like the diet I naturally gravitate towards that is

for the longest time seven I think maybe since 2007 I've been just eating one meal a day

and it was mostly meat based but then when I met my wife she you know said I just eat meat

and I was like you know what that sounds great and I think the big misconception and like she

like it always scared me while I was a fruit was if you if you don't eat fruit or fiber you won't

use the bathroom which it's totally not true that was my biggest concern and I noticed right

away that it definitely lifted my like mental clarity just eating meat and one of the craziest things

is your sense of smell really increases I don't know why you're more predatoryal I know I probably

shouldn't use that word today's world but I understand what you mean yeah and like it's good when

we got married you know also like she brought into it is like no scented detergent all natural no

scented dishwasher you know or a fabric softener and the dryer and all of a sudden I'm out doing

the cold plunge I live in a town home so people are walking down the corridor while I'm out there

and they walk past and five minutes later I can still smell the fabric softener and I'm just

thinking like oh my god and like the effects it has on your hormonal system is just unbelievable

you walk into places and you they have the plug-ins everywhere and you're like oh this is you know

like you start realizing where there's chemicals everywhere and they're definitely

disrupting the endocrine system it's just how much they are I don't know but when you eliminate it

all all of a sudden you have this like you're alive like like like an animal ready to you know

you I mean people walk past and you you smell it it's just like you're ready to go you have I

would say it probably increases testosterone tremendously because I'm now 49 and I feel stronger

than I've ever been my body feels better is it all carnivore no I mean it's the whole system

and I can tell you we go to Costco we just went there and we we get the palette of this grass fed

butter literally 36 pounds and it lasts like a month so I mean like we're not scared of butter and

you're not going to get fat but it's the sugar is the processed food it's causing like hidden

inflammation and if you do the carnivore the the right way and like like burgers are a big part

of it I love liver I eat that raw but there's a there's a there's a method to my raw eating of liver

you it comes in frozen blocks I get mine in wild fork if you I'm sure you know and it's literally

a pound is two dollars you know so in the other misconception about carnivore it's expensive it's

not two dollars for a pound of a liver is a pretty good deal and it's so nutrient-packed it's

crazy I let it I let it on the counter for like 10 15 minutes I chop it up in the blocks you know

after it's still frozen melt butter salted dip it in it is delicious it has a sweet flavor

and it's unbelievable then I have burgers with it it's phenomenal and then I you know the other

staples like as you go through carnivore there's like like you sometimes like super flots of fat

and if you need a lot of fat like when I got on it like I was probably like too lean I was like

sickly lean so I was eating like lots I was doing a lot of smoke brisket everything else and I think

I got I did get a gain a little weight but I felt healthier like I have before and after photos

it was unbelievable then all of a sudden like I can't eat brisket anymore like it it's just like

too too heavy for me I was doing the do in the short ribs a lot and I can't eat short ribs anymore

so now it's just back to burgers a conia and steaks and liver so it you have to just listen

to your body on this and I think like with all these things you get in touch with your body you're

in the the ice punch you're getting in touch with your body and how you navigate through it and

like you find your way how you deal with this comfort you know and you're listening to your body

so you're more understanding of what you need and everyone on carnivore does it differently

but you just have to find your own path with everything some things might be good for you

they might not be good for me and it's just about listening to the data making the

necessary adjustments to what makes you feel good there is no one size fits all for anything

in life anyone tells you that it's just a lie but I think it's the structure how you plant it

and that's like one of the I can't emphasize enough the importance of systems

right and you know and like killing off the old identities so you have like a clear mission

it's just I think it's a great book I have a I have an online school for it it's it's great

I mean I put a lot of work into it and I really want to help people and ironically I will say

this is originally I design this I thought it would be for guys like my age and I found that

they're stuck in their ways they don't want to change their they're already programmed

in the younger guys are eating it up they love it because they know it's like they're like yeah

let's do it let's get in that cold I want to go longer and I have to tell people no no take it easy

and on the other side it's it's also kind of crazy in today's world is I have a I've seen a lot

of women in the program and they're tough much tougher than men in general then mentally and mentally

way tougher and they don't complain like you see you have men they're they're complaining

so it's kind of crazy world we live in but women really gravitate towards this if you know

and younger younger guys love it but the guys my age are pretty like

yeah yeah they're they're they're I hate to say lost cause but very close to which

yeah a lot of people from the younger generations are getting very health conscious with what

they eat with the way they work out and a lot of people are trying to push past and filter

through all the noise we have on the internet and so I appreciate what you're doing and we're

going to have your website and description below for people to check out your online school

and to check out your book I think for anyone listening again it doesn't hurt to try something new

you know if you've been in the same routine and not seeing results you know this is something to

look into research further on your own and obviously they could always contact you for more

and again your book has a lot of information in it along with the online school but

a ton it's got a ton of information and I just want to leave what that is no matter your situation

there's always something there there is always a solution and I think it's really important

you have to persist and you have to accept setbacks along the way but there is always a

situation you have to test and ditch what doesn't work and if something works keep doing it try

to do it better and make it more effective but there's always a solution and I think that if

you don't give up you will eventually find your way I agree 100% in no panicking and no whining

whining yes exactly all right well mr. cordon thank you so much for what you've shared today and

for what you're doing I'm glad that you've been able to turn your life around and are now

giving that gift back to other people to do the same so thank you for your work and for your time

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