Noem Out, Iran War “Far From Over,” and Talarico’s Win

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Scott is always late as if he's the most important person, and yet he's not.

Hi, everyone.

This is Pivot from New York Magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Kara Swisher.

I'm Scott Calama.

And where are you, Scott?

Somewhere over the North Atlantic here.

Where are you?

All right.

I am in my studio in DC, but we record.

Corey, maintain eye contact.

Maintain eye contact.

Is Corey Lewandowski with you?

Lewandowski, yeah.

So I'm fairly certain he's not going to keep his job either.

I'm guessing.

Well, let me just give people back it up for a minute.

Scott, we recorded earlier, but had to hop back on.

Hence why you're on a plane and we're redoing this.

President Trump has fired Homeland Security Secretary

Christie Nome, or given her a fake job.

Trump announced the move on true social, saying Nome had served us well

and has had numerous and spectacular results.

He announced the Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullin would replace

Nome.

Nome is stepping into a new role apparently.

She wasn't quite fired.

I don't know what this is.

It's like a firing.

Oh, no, she was fired.

I get it.

It's like special envoy, the Hulu.

No, she's no program.

No, she's special envoy.

Let's get it right.

Special envoy to the shield of the Americas.

I don't even, that's like a bad Marvel movie.

I feel like the one that we don't want to watch.

But let's talk about this because later in the show,

you have, we'll be talking about a lot of things happening

right now for the Republicans.

But talk to me about this firing a little bit.

Well, supposedly, I mean, you might have more information

than me, as it was, supposedly, it wasn't the conflict

of interest of having an affair with their number two.

It wasn't essentially killing American citizens.

It wasn't, it wasn't essentially overseeing what I would argue

are the definition of concentration camps.

And that was black sites outside the legal jurisdiction

protection of your origin country, which

is the definition of a concentration camp.

It was, supposedly, what was the straw that

burped Trump's back was that she had spent close to over $200

billion, I believe, on ads featuring her, which

appeared to be courtesy of her number two, an attempt

to raise her and wear an extra presidential run.

The debt, that that was what angered Trump.

What have you heard, Cara?

She was advancing herself.

And Trump likes to only advantage himself, right?

And so anybody else who's trying to do that,

there was also the question, these two recent congressional

hearings.

To me, I felt the writing was on the wall

because Republicans in the Senate, particularly,

were really going after her.

So they knew that they had no repercussions to do so, right?

If they had gone after her because they were good people

or because they had a backbone, I think only Tom Tillis

has been doing that because he's leaving.

This is Senator Tillis from North Carolina.

I think they had permission to go after her,

whether it was John Kennedy or others that really did attack her.

And the Democrats did an excellent job, too,

bringing up all these issues you talked about.

I just felt like it was open season on her, so to speak.

Someone who enjoys killing dogs.

And even the reaction has been interesting.

Senator Tom Tillis, who was very upset about the disaster

relief fuck ups, I think, very much so.

And also about going after people who

didn't come in any crimes, right?

Just in terms of, he kept talking about a quota system.

Why are you doing it on a quota system in these hearings?

His thing on X saying goodbye was Senator Mark Wayne Mullin

is a great guy and a great choice to lead DHS, restore

competence and refocus efforts on quickly

distributing disaster aid.

That's the first thing he noted, keeping the border secure

and targeting violent illegal immigrants for deportation.

Another big positive, he likes dogs, which, of course,

is referenced to her killing her dog.

People are having a field day about this, of course,

on the thing.

Although one of the good ones about Mark Wayne Mullin,

who was a senator from Oklahoma, he can't even

have a border between his name, Mark and Wayne, Mark Wayne.

But no, the Republicans felt emboldened to attack her.

And therefore, it was very clear that they got their signals

from the White House, would be my guess.

If it had to discuss what a foreign manager

and what a low character person, spoiler alert,

were present, it was, and that is, when you hire people

and you expect them to be part of a team,

if you know you're going to fire them,

which it sounds like he did, because it took about three

seconds, the moment they announced she was leaving,

they announced her replacement.

To quite frankly, trap her out and use her as an anger pillow

and humiliate her before showing her the door,

knowing that you were going to fire as opposed to saying,

look, we're making a change.

There's no reason for you to go in front of Congress.

Or once you resign, you probably will not be caught.

Maybe they still would have called her in front of Congress.

Yeah, that last two days in Congress was bad.

And that was, okay, we have absolutely no respect,

fidelity, camaraderie for the people I hire.

And if it serves my political purposes,

I will throw them under the bus and then back up the bus

and run over them again.

That's the Trump way, right?

That's the Trump way.

And in fact, he doesn't even give her the,

I don't think she deserves any dignity.

And you've just firing her like you're fired.

I mean, the guy who's so famous for doing your fire

cannot say you're fired.

You have to give him this semester

on board to the shield of the Americas,

which, and of course, she's bragging as if she won, right?

As if it was a good thing because, like,

even as she's humiliated and by the next humiliation,

by the way, it's going to be Pambondi, right?

That's obvious.

He's going to go all the ladies of the Trump administration

are in big trouble.

And they will be the first to go.

They'll get to Cache Patel at some point or maybe not,

but like another incompetent, another,

you know, same thing with Pambondi,

mendacious and incompetent.

And so he doesn't,

the fact that he hasn't let go so many of these people already

who are just not up to the task is really,

says a ton about his management style.

I think they're more strategic

and people want to give him a pedophore.

And when I was a consultant,

I was just in, I would review DACs

of a social science conference

and I was on to a management thing,

I would say, I would ask a series of questions.

And one of the questions I would ask,

but I would say I would ask,

please end the room that's not in the room.

And that is what is the context,

what is the influences,

what is the overarching thing of the vibe in this room

or their objectives before you even show up.

And the two people that are always in the room

around any Trump official

and any public activity are one, Roy Cohn.

If you look at the way these people

equate themselves in front of the set up

and the Congress,

one of the greatest erosions in the grand equity

of the United States is there was always been

a level of civility in decorum.

We aren't that South Korean Senate

where they break into fisticuffs

or they start yelling at each other.

There was always a certain amount of respect

with this Roy Cohn, deny, deflect, attack,

your, you're, you're, you're,

you should ashamed of yourself, you're a failed lawyer.

Go on, don't answer the question.

That has in and among itself eroded

the value and the prestige of this Senate.

Roy Cohn is always in the room

when these guys testify.

The person that's always in the room is abstain.

And I believe there are three people armed with LLM

saying monitoring the temperature of abstain in the news

and when it gets above a certain temperature,

they think of distractions.

And nothing is better than one of these hearings

or declaring war,

or saying you're going to raise tariffs of 50%.

But I literally think they have,

they are monitoring the,

the number of times abstain and Trump are linked together

when it gets above a certain temperature in the press.

Yeah, I think you're right.

They, they, they throw someone under the bus

and ask the tariff to start, start firing missiles

whatever it might be, you know, capturing or,

I was sconding with, with leaders

of Central American countries.

But Roy Cohn and Jeffrey Epstein are in every room.

That's really smart.

That's it.

And the Epstein stuff is not going away.

Let me just say it is not,

it is as I said, a half a year ago,

it is, it is here to stay.

Like it's the thing.

To, to Chrissy Nums' credit,

she did not go to the island on her fuck plane.

So that's a good, that's a good part of her.

But we wish you well,

Chrissy, you're completely incompetent,

deserved to be fired.

But the fact that he kept you there at that long

says more about Donald Trump than it does about Christina.

She, she's, is what she is, I guess.

I heard she's going to be volunteering

at an all-kill dog shelter.

Oh, very funny.

I mean, that's going to,

that's going to go to the end of her days and deservedly so.

Anyway, now back to the rest of the show.

I guess where I went last night.

Where'd you go?

Party for Andrew Ross Sorkin at the French Embassy,

our favorite Canadian.

I was not invited.

I know.

I poked and he got the first amendment award.

He gave him, he gave such a good speech.

He's like, he's such a nice boy.

I don't know what else to say.

He's a nice boy.

He gave an excellent speech about the first amendment

and he said everyone thinks he's Canadian

because we say that's the case.

He now is asked about his Canadian citizens.

He's a lovely man.

I like his wife too.

So they're very, they're very,

but let's just say he's Canadian,

even though he's not Canadian.

Can I say the first time I heard his name?

What, yeah.

My first board meeting at the New York Times,

they were going around and we have this succession strategy.

And that's when I knew the CEO wasn't very good.

It was clear she was like shooting everybody.

They got near the CEO's spot.

Yeah.

And they went through and we were trying to,

everyone was asking about compensation and equity awards.

And they mentioned this one young reporter

and everyone's like, well, offer them eight percent,

you know, and they mentioned, they go,

oh, and we have this young reporter

who is really talented, Andrew Sorkin.

And everyone went, Pam, whatever he wants.

Oh.

Everyone literally said,

you know, we're trying to manage a company

that you need fiscal discipline.

It wasn't doing well.

Yeah.

And his name comes up and everyone looks

like Pam, whatever he wants, we can't lose that guy.

Yeah.

Well, he's looks great.

He gave, he got the first amendment award.

I, and he gave a beautiful speech anyway.

Congratulations, Andrew.

Was it a fun party?

It was a good party.

Daddy's going to a big party.

What are you doing?

Well, you were invited, but you wouldn't be my personal.

Oh, the Vanity Fair.

I actually, the guy who's the editor's boyfriend,

Sean McCreish, was there and he sat with us going.

I said, well, Scott Galloway is going to be there.

So he'll shut the place, fuck down.

You want to see someone at the bar having a good time?

Yeah.

I've been so nervous about what to wear.

You're going to be really nervous.

You're going to be really nervous.

You're going to be really nervous.

You're going to be really nervous.

You're going to be really nervous.

Trying to style myself, which is not easy.

Don't wear jeans at a tux like Ted Cerandos.

I didn't think that weren't.

I'm rolling up to the bar and I'm getting fucked up

and I'm just going to observe.

I don't need to speak to anybody.

No, you need to talk to people.

Do you know what I do?

I talk to Ted Cerandos about strategy

and who he should acquire.

No, don't, no.

No, don't do the executives.

Do you not do the executives?

Can I tell you two quick stories advantage here?

I want to get the gay hockey guys.

Will they be there?

Oh, they probably.

Oh, sure, they'll be there.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, meet the gay hockey guys.

Are you allowed to take selfies of that thing

or do they kick you out?

Well, I don't know.

They used to.

I can, let me tell you two quick stories.

I went to one when it was up at this, it was in that hotel,

sunset towers.

You used to be at the sunset towers.

And it was small, much more intimate.

And one year, all the tech people got went.

They invited all of the tech people.

And so I was like, fuck, I don't want to see these people.

I want to see celebrities.

And they kept, they're really shy at the time.

And they kept bothering me like to talk to me.

And I was like, I don't want to talk to you, Sergey Brin.

I don't want to talk to you, all you people.

And Sergey Brin wasn't able to talk to anybody

but except they were wearing Google Glass.

He was wearing a Google Glass.

And he goes, no one's talking to me.

And I'm like, take off your fucking Google Glass

and like, say you're a billionaire.

That's how it's going to work here.

The second time, the second time I went there,

I ran into, I was talking as you did to Bob Iger

or I forget Comcast had.

May have been Ted Cerandos.

And the guy who plays Harry Potter came up to me

and said, excuse me, you know, and he said,

I've noticed all the really important studio people

are sort of kissing.

It's all like you'd have a story that makes you sound powerful.

No, I did, no, let me finish the story.

Shut up.

So he said, I've noticed you're talking,

they're all talking to you and they're very interested

in talking to you.

Who are you?

This guy was really smart.

I love him, Daniel Gradcliffe.

And I said, I'm their drug dealer.

That's what I did.

But I'm not.

Anyway, I have a lot of good stories from there.

You'll have a good talk.

Talk to people.

Say hello to Robert De Nirofis there.

Because he knew.

Yeah, that's not my style.

I wasn't going to go.

I said no.

And then, so when we both know, I said,

you have to go once, so I'm going.

Yeah, you do.

But I believe it's been very stressful picking out my outfit.

Yeah, but it's early.

Remember it's early.

You go like 10 o'clock in the morning.

I'm literally leaving you at South by Southwest.

I'm changing on the plane.

And I'm going straight to the event.

I only think I was invited because they

thought I was going to be your plus one.

No, you said no when I said yes.

No, I don't need to go.

Anyway, I have a great time.

You'll have a great time.

We've got a lot to get to today.

Because we also, we're going to be in this weekend.

We'll be in Minneapolis.

We'll talk about that in a second.

On Sunday, we're very excited to do resisted

on subscribe there.

But let's get to the news first.

Let's dig in.

First, defense secretary Pete Hegseth

says the war in Iran is far from over,

warning that we've only just begun.

It was such a ridiculous press conference.

As a record, the House is set to vote on a measure

to block President Trump from taking further action

in Iran without congressional support.

And the Senate already failed to do that, by the way.

European leaders are pushing back on Trump, notably

Spain's prime minister who said we can't play Russian roulette

with the destiny of millions of people.

He's absolutely correct.

The White House said they were cooperating,

and then they said they weren't.

Trump is also facing pushback from parts of his megabase

over the war, even as he insists.

Maga loves what I'm doing.

They do not love what he's doing.

And looking at the economic impact US gas prices

saw their biggest single-day spike in three years this week.

And oil prices continue to rise.

This drag on the US economy is going

to be very tough for Trump and the Republicans

as we approach the midterms.

I've been talking to a lot of Republicans.

In fact, I had a meeting with a very prominent one

yesterday.

And they are, I can tell you, they do not like this.

Or they think Pete Hegseth is an imbecile.

That's for sure.

And they don't think this was well thought out at all.

And that's the Republicans.

And these are people who maybe publicly

are being supportive by at least voting against

the restrictions on Trump.

What are your thoughts about the economy?

What's happening here?

It really hasn't taken much of it here yet.

It's the existential threat that it could digress into

something much bigger and more dangerous.

Oil is up about 11 bucks a barrel or 10% or 12%,

which translates to about 25 cents a gallon.

Typically wars, the markets go down.

And then they check back.

And actually the year after a war ends,

markets typically outperform.

So I don't think you can say that the markets have responded

or that we know this is going to be inflationary.

No, that hasn't been.

What I think you can say is that I believe

if he had gone to Congress and made an argument

for why we're doing this, why now, and what are our objectives,

he might have gotten the authorization

for the use of military force.

They never get declarations of war any longer.

They get AUMFs.

But unfortunately, what they've done

is because they had to position this

as a defensive action, they said,

oh, one of our allies was about to be immunally attacked.

We were going to have to respond.

So it's like, okay, you just gave into this

very dangerous trope that Israel's controlling the US.

Yes.

That was just, and you have had such inconsistent messaging.

Absolutely.

This is regime change.

No, we don't want regime change.

This is going to be five days.

We'll be there as long as it takes.

Yeah.

This is a special...

Now the Kurds, we're bringing the Kurds.

Yeah, now we're going to operate the Kurds.

Well, okay, what does that mean when the Kurds

get fired up in other regions?

This is a special combat operation.

No, it's a war.

They have so much inconsistent messaging

and the fact that they didn't reflect the confidence

to at a minimum, think about the American citizens

in the Gulf and a plan for getting them out of there.

Oh, that seems like makes Biden's Afghanistan

with your all seem like mine.

In addition, just tactically bombing to Ron,

the majority, the real danger here is that

the Iranian people are not on our side, turn against us.

Because what the Iranian biggest miscalculation was firing,

they basically, John Stewart summarized it as two guys

start beating up on you.

So what do you do?

You try and start a fight with everyone in the bar.

That was a real strategic mistake on the part of Iran.

But our potentially biggest mistake is when we're bombing

to Ron, you're essentially flattening neighborhoods

of people who are probably more pro-West and empathetic.

It's the kind of religious...

The geographies in the rural area.

So no one really trusts.

I think the why, why now, in objectives,

had legitimacy here and he potentially could have got

77% of Republicans are, or 72% of Republicans

are in favor of this, only 17% of progressives.

But that's low, 72% of Republicans is low.

It's usually 90% of Republicans.

The broader number is 4159.

So let's be clear, the majority of Americans do not support this.

I still think had he had a well thought out plan,

he could have gotten potentially...

See, I don't agree with you.

I think this was interesting listening to this Republican

very high profile politician.

He was like, they have 15 days to resolve this,

like because if it drags on more

and they don't seem to have a point, it's a problem.

And one of the things he was pointing to

was unaffiliated voters.

He said this, he says, across there are red lights everywhere

for Republicans around independence.

And independence hate this.

And he said, if he doesn't have a very tight, sharp plan

in place, I mean, he was plummocks

that they didn't have one, Mike that they didn't have.

And they weren't communicating them.

And I'll tell you, when he had gone to that briefing

about whether there really was an imminent threat,

and one of the reporters asked him,

was there an imminent threat?

And he said, well, there's been one for 47 years.

That's what it sounded like.

Like he was like, didn't even buy their

nonsensical reasons.

But you asked about the economy.

So the decision to go to war, in my opinion,

is not what is going to be, quote, unquote,

the downfall or really hurt the Trump administration.

It's the following.

It appears that these types of actions, unilateral actions,

where you don't make any attempt to get European

or Gulf nations involved to increase legitimacy,

much less the resources.

These nations could have helped shoot down.

These nations have their own military, their own intelligence.

They could have served a real valuable role

in helping protecting those Gulf states, achieving the objectives.

The fact that we now have a $1.1 trillion military

that appears to be run by incompetence.

In addition, America was the operating system.

We, everyone settles their trades and dollars.

They operate on the IP agreements of America.

We largely enforce the flows of energy

with our Navy, our military bases.

Make sure that rogue nations don't go to rogue.

We're sort of been the operating system.

Now, this decision amongst others,

specifically going about it unilaterally

with no attempt to even consult Congress or allies.

All of a sudden shows the nation

that used to enforce that no nation go to rogue.

They're now that rogue nation.

Yeah.

But I think the real existential threat

to the economy and to American prosperity is the following.

It's yet another data point that shows,

we used to be the cop or the protection

when we hear a knock at the door.

Now, we are the knock at the door.

Yeah, I get it.

It's really, what's interesting is

how many people are secretly not for it, right?

It's a really, you do see the strength

of people pushing back now on Trump,

which is really interesting,

much more so all over the place,

not listening to him, not going along with him.

Now, typically politicians go along with anybody

when there's a war happening,

they try not to be too difficult.

But one of the things is this further abrogation

of power by the Congress, you know,

in terms of where they, where they,

and they're sitting around talking and debating

about whether they have power or not.

If I don't know if you've followed any of that,

it's kind of ridiculous, and they do.

And one of the, I think it just creates more chaos

around Trump, like it's chaotic.

At the same time as all his work,

the people at work forum are incompetent

that seem more and more,

and especially Pete has said,

he seems completely out of sorts for this.

And one of the, of course,

there's conspiracy theories everywhere,

but one of them is that if Iran hits the United States

in some way a city, a United States city,

which is entirely possible,

that's what he'll use as an excuse to call martial law.

Just so you know,

there's a lot of things happening all at the same time.

And I just don't, it's not good

because it's chaos and Trump, chaos and Trump.

And so I think Trump,

it's the same thing as our domestic problems here with him.

It's chaos, it's chaos,

and it's not thought out and it's incompetence.

And you know, obviously the Republicans

are worried about the midterms, and they should.

The first primary is in the 2026 midterms,

to hear some of the highlights from Tuesday's elections.

In Texas incumbent Senator John Corman

and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxson

are headed to a late May GOP Senate runoff.

The GAP clash is already the most expensive Senate primary

in history with Republicans alone

racking up nearly $100 million in ad buys.

Trump is supposedly gonna pick one

and tell the other to get out,

but Ken Paxson already said he's not getting out,

even if he doesn't get picked.

And state representative James Talleriko

beat a representative Jasmine Crockett in Texas

as Democratic Senate primary.

Let's listen to a clip from Talleriko's victory speech.

To the billionaires who have taken over our state

and taken over our country,

your unchecked power is coming to an end.

Oh!

Your days dividing working people are numbered.

Oh, he sounds like a guy we should hang out with.

Good, good, good, good speech.

And actually I have to say Crockett handled the defeat.

Well, they seem to come together.

Everyone's like, we're all gonna come together.

And they both ran really tough campaigns.

And they, I have to say, everybody acted.

The Democrats look like they're not in disarray, as they say.

Texas Supreme Court stepped into block

a last minute voting extension in two counties

after GOP primary polling mixups backing an appeal

from Ken Paxson.

It seemed like he was just trying to create chaos.

In North Carolina, former governor Roy Cooper

won the Democratic Senate primary quite easily

and will face Republican Michael Wattley

for Senator Tom Tillis' seat in the race

that could help decide Senate control.

So interesting stuff going on.

There are a lot of people lost their jobs.

Dan Crenshaw lost his job.

He was targeted by a billionaire, speaking of billionaires

who spent enormous amounts of money to get rid of him.

There was a, in North Carolina,

the head of the state, the Senate,

who had been in power for a long, long time

is in a very tight race.

A lot of people losing their jobs, like all over the place.

So what do you think this means for Democrats this year

and for Republicans?

It's very exciting for Democrats.

The, I mean, the Talarika race.

But first off, if Talarika wins the seat

against the Republican nominee, I think he's likely

or very likely to be device presidential pick in 2028.

Because if he wins this and shows an ability to win in Texas,

if as VP, they think he could deliver Texas,

it's game over for whoever's, for the Democrats win.

If you could flip Texas into presidential race.

Do you think he should stay there for a little bit?

Get a mass power.

Well, how long did, how long was the Republican senator?

Yep, that's right.

I mean, the VP is supposed to be the person

you could take over.

It's not.

The VP is brought on to hopefully win a state

that is a swing state for the most part.

Anyways, so it's exciting.

It's an exciting moment for Talarika,

but what's really exciting for Democrats

is that through the odds, the majority

or the number of Democrats turning out in a primary

was in the high hundreds of thousand, seven, eight hundred thousand.

2.1 million Democrats turned out

and the other very exciting thing is that,

I think it was 1.8 million Republicans turned out.

So whoever, whatever party is able to turn out more people

for the primary gives you real insight

into what's going to happen in the general.

Especially among Hispanics.

He really pulled in and he shifted them.

And if we have the first Texas statewide Democrat elected

in 20 or 30 years, Lloyd Benson was the last one, I think.

Was Ann Richards?

No, she was governor.

She was governor.

So this is an exciting, this is just a super exciting moment

for Democrats.

So I don't, you know, I don't think you can overstate it.

All the races looked to be, have been closer.

The surprising stuff was some of the more,

some of the Republicans who lost their seats.

That was very interesting.

I was thinking of sending some money to Paxing

because I'd love to see him against Tallerico

because I think that was Tallerico wins.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyways, he's refusing to get out.

I mean, who knows if Trump's going to try to get him out.

Supposedly, they think Hornets,

the better person to run against.

Well, he's more likeable.

He's absolutely more likeable.

Within the mag, it doesn't excite the MAGA groups, right?

They like Paxing.

He's backed by all the MAGA groups, all of them.

Yeah, it's, this is, like, I looked at the results

and all I thought was, and I tried to screen out my biases.

I thought there's just no getting around this.

This feels really good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, see, it was really interesting.

And I thought that Tallerico's continued focus

on the rich was really interesting.

It's really, it's, it's, it's a,

he's got a similar vibe of, obviously,

you would point to AOC and Bernie, yeah.

Bernie and, of course, Mamdani.

Like, he's like the Texas Mondani kind of thing.

And so, you know, I kept saying, you know, if he wins

and of course Trump attacked him quite a bit,

he'll be at the White House hanging out with Trump,

like Trump will be hugging him, like, and stuff like that

because he loves the winner, that kind of thing.

He's just the kind of person that will do,

pull a similar thing that Mamdani did.

When Mamdani was, to describe Mamdani was smart.

He showed that he was a pragmatist

and he was willing to, he wanted to be effective

versus right and not politically grandstand.

Yeah.

I got that woman released.

He's, he's proven to be quite pragmatic.

He's kept Jessica Tish, just police commissioner

who is very effective.

I just have a feeling Tallerico's going to have

the same experience with Trump.

The Trump will, will bear how they're going.

But the class, the, the class warfare,

if you will, around the billionaire class.

So the, the genicoefficient, which is a measure of inequality,

if it's zero to one, if you're at zero,

it means everyone has exactly the same amount.

If you're at one, it means one person has everything.

I think the revolution, it was taken

on a different complexion.

I think what we have now is a series

of smaller revolutions.

But when you start identifying a class of people

based on their wealth, I mean, that,

that kind of means that the revolution is coming.

And Trump and Epstein and the people Epstein

surrounded himself with, it has created, I mean,

we are, I mean, the revolution here

might be a series of tax increase.

I don't know how it's going to play out.

Yeah, well, let me, let me just read something.

This was an Astoria Red.

The richest Americans have a massed enormous wealth

in recent years, while most Americans

have seen their stagnate.

The net worth of the top 0.1% doubled from 2020

to a collective sum of $24.9 trillion

in the third quarter of 2025.

And now accounts for 14.4% of the total household wealth

according to the Federal Reserve.

That's an astonishing figure.

Well, yeah, the, what William Gibson said

about technology is true about prosperity

and that it's prosperity is here in America.

It's just not evenly distributed.

Yeah, but it's really not.

And it's made us more fragile as an economy

to sink to the morality of a 10%,

the top 10% of US households are now responsible

for 50% of the spend.

Right.

I think tech billionaires have done so much damage

to themselves in this, the way they behaved.

And they do act like they have, and I think Elon Musk

who down in history is someone who really began

the pushback against this,

because the, the imperious and ridiculous way

he conducted himself and all of them do, all of them do.

Well, becoming the wealthiest man in the world

is such that you can cut off a day,

try to be positive together.

That's not a good look.

Yeah, it's not a good look.

Well, any, congratulations to Talleriko and others who won.

And a Jasmine Crocket, by the way.

I thought you were going to take a campaign.

She went right up and then attacked,

Christy Known beautifully.

Like did a beautiful take down of Christy Known,

which is, she's very good at her job.

I, we haven't seen the last of her.

Hope not.

She really is.

She really is.

Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break.

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Open A has updated its deal with the Pentagon,

adding language that says,

its AI systems shall not be intentionally used

for domestic surveillance.

CEO Sam Altman wrote,

it's critical to protect the civil liberties of Americans,

but in an all hands meeting this week,

Sam told staff that Open AI had no control

over how the defense department uses it so far.

And while defending the deal and the Pentagon,

he acknowledged that rolling it out so quickly,

made the company look quote, opportunistic and sloppy.

That's the, the, the,

the apprenuance in sloppy is the poor name of Open AI.

Sam said it's been painful to try to do the quote,

right thing and then get quote, personally crushed for it.

Oh my God, Sam.

This is so, he needs to stop talking.

I've got to say,

it's a question of whether he's actually

tarnished the brand too much in his actions.

ChatGPT uninstalled,

searched 295% the day after the Pentagon deal

was announced.

Clawed downloads continue to spike.

Meanwhile, andthropic CEO Daria Modi told his staff

that the Trump administration didn't like Anthropic

because it hadn't given dictator style praise

to Trump while Sam has.

He really laid in to say they,

there's, if you think Elon Musk and Sam Altman

have a problem Daria Modi and Sam Altman

have a problem.

What do you think about this?

This is like a real, oh God.

Something's going on over there at Open AI

that they really need to fix.

I think a bit on the other side and, you know,

as, as people know,

we're going to be resistant unsubscribing Minneapolis

on Sunday and the way we're evolving it

is we're now going to try and encourage people to sign up

for who we think are good actors.

And the most obvious contrast here is the contrast

between Open AI and Anthropic.

And I've been saying for six months

that I thought one of the biggest commercial opportunities

was for a CEO, basically, to say no

and say these are, we're, we're done enabling these type

of, this type of depraved behavior,

we're not going to engage in the violation

of Americans, Americans rights.

And the hero we didn't think we needed is Daria Modi.

He's basically stepped up and he said no.

And just to the point of it, being a huge commercial opportunity,

he, Anthropic immediately searched number one in the app store

and it's annual recurring revenue

has gone from 14 billion to 19 billion in just one week.

So this is going to be, this is a big moment

because what Daria and Anthropic have done,

even if they don't realize it,

is there all of a sudden going to give a bunch of CEOs

across America the confidence to start saying no.

Because I thought it was going to be Nike,

but we said this six months ago,

it's a huge commercial opportunity.

It's got to be a tech person.

Since tech has been so in bed with Trump,

it's got to be a tech person doing it.

Fair point.

But the point is the opportunity here,

was for someone to just stand up and say,

enough already, I'm not going to, I'm done.

And I'll tell you, a lot of Republican senators

really have not liked the way Hegseth has handled.

I've been talking to a lot of them quietly,

they have been saying this.

It's not a capitalist.

Yes, they, it's very, they're very not disposed.

They're like, when did we become communist essentially?

And, and one of the things will be interesting.

I mean, sort of anthropic is a little like

what Tom Tellus has been doing.

He's left, but he has enormous leverage

over the Trump administration now,

because he can say things.

And so, and he says this sucks,

Pete, or Steven Miller sucks, right?

He does say it outright.

And then others say, well, I'm not really liking

some of the things that's even Miller.

It gives them the courage to say slightly less critical things.

And I think that's a great way to be.

And Darryl was sort of playing that role.

I get it, but he's playing the role of a heat shield

in a lot of ways.

If you're on Darryl, you get to make weapons

for the government.

It's legal.

If you're palantir, you get to sell data to the government

as long as it's legal and for whatever purposes

they might use it for.

And if you're anthropic, you get to work with who you want.

You can't do it based on, you can't discriminate

or not work with people based on their sexual orientation

or their ethnicity, but they can absolutely.

You, you can just, we get to decide who we take ads from.

We say no all the time to advertisers and say, no,

we're not comfortable with it.

The, the big thing here is that in one week,

Claude went from number 42 to number one

in the free app store.

So this is, I mean, this is a big moment.

This is a turning point because I just trust me on this.

In the next 30 days, all of a sudden,

we're gonna see these, these CEOs cosplaying Nelson Mandela

and acting on righteous.

I don't know.

I don't know about that.

One of the things that was interesting,

there was a poll out in Emerson, but I can't remember.

That wasn't Emerson, it was a, it was a more normal poll

that said that people want CEOs to remain neutral,

but they also want them to be genuine.

So they kind of like this, you know,

even though they say they don't want companies to weigh in,

they kind of do, which is interesting,

that people answer differently.

I do think people do vote with resistance unsubscribe.

If you don't like how chat, so many people have told me

they have dumped chat GPT more than any of the other ones.

And Emerson would be the second one

when they come up to me to ask me about your efforts

with resistance unsubscribe.

It's always Amazon and open AI that they focus in on.

That's what I've noticed.

But we haven't had an option to the upside.

We haven't had a carrot to stick.

And this is given everyone the ability to say,

my lack of spending is a signal,

but my spending can also be a signal.

And I think there's a big opportunity here.

And I'm personally going to urge people

to sign up for and patronize anthropic

and to unsubscribe and not use open AI

and send a very strong signal that people notice.

And when certain companies stand up at potentially,

you know, potentially pretty severe risk of retribution

from the largest customer in the world.

Because it still is.

There's all kinds of second order effects

of volunteer uses clawed.

A lot of people use clawed.

It's a real risk.

It might cost them in the short run.

Well, there's a lawsuit too.

Over the medium and a long term,

I believe this is one of the biggest commercial opportunities

of presented to companies right now.

Yeah, we'll see where it goes.

The issue, let me just make a warning for anthropic.

Dario who is typical tech person arrogant.

It can be arrogant and imperious kind of thing.

He loves to write, which I appreciate.

I like a CEO that does really,

he's a good writer, actually.

He's got to be careful not to appear to write just,

to self-righteous.

I think that's where...

I think he should go dark and just let us action speak

for his words.

Yeah, exactly.

I think there is that, you know,

that he's definitely getting attacked

by the idiot Emil Michael and David Sacks,

the other moron.

Well, again, government officials deciding

that we're now, like you said, central planning.

Yeah.

It's another data point, yes, about the economy.

Every time we diminish the rule of law,

everyone is entitled to and subject to the same laws.

Every time we say, okay, the law is now a tool

for political retribution based on who's in power.

We lose, our price earnings multiple

on the S&P goes down.

He's more powerful.

Dario mode is more powerful now than he was

because he's the only one, right?

And the same thing with Atom Tellus,

he has more leverage now in his 300 days left

because it gives people permission to be,

to push back, you know, maybe not,

he gets to be the louder one, both of them,

and it'll be interesting.

It'll be all over the place.

Speaking of not pushing back, FCC Chair Brendan Carr,

who I loved to call him moron, because he is,

says he expects the water brothers paramount merger deal

to get through approval pretty quickly.

Of course, you lap dog.

Let's listen to what he said when asked

about whether we would have concerns

about the Netflix deal.

There's a lot of concerns in DC,

and you can see it already.

Just a scope and scale on the streaming service in particular,

they would have a very difficult path

but work with regulatory perspective.

This deal is a lot cleaner, does not raise at all

the same types of concern.

I think there's some real consumer benefits

that could emerge from it.

He's right about, it was obviously a smaller.

That's right, Brendan,

but Brendan has nothing to do with this deal,

and he always mouths off on everything.

Meanwhile, Fitch ratings, one of the Wall Street's

big credit rating, and he says cut paramounts,

credit ratings to junk status.

No surprise, enormous debt.

I think from $75 to $100 billion in debt,

it's a big chunk of money.

They say they're gonna de-leverage quickly,

but it's always hard as Bill Cohen noted.

And David Zazloff, also not looking so good,

president and CEO of Warner,

he's looking good to shareholders,

filed a sell over $114 million worth of stock

in a company he's getting pilloried by it,

because it's very clear that paramount will have to cut.

They say $6 billion, it's much higher.

You know, a car does not play a role here,

just for people to understand a real role,

but it will get through.

It probably will, you know, they've been working Europe,

they've been working the government.

It's just a question of how they get through

and what damage they have done by doing

this very non-economic deal.

Any more thoughts on that?

When the book on the Worse Acquisitions in History is written,

it should just be called Warner Brothers.

That's true.

I mean, if you ran into...

That's funny.

Time Warner executives in 2005,

Steve Case, super smart.

He realized that AOL had nowhere near the value it was trading at.

So he said, this is a time to trade it in

for boring revenues that come from records and books

and parks and movies.

And if you find a time Warner executive two or three years later,

literally their retirements were ruined

because of what was the Worse Acquisition in History.

And that's Time Warner's merger with AOL.

And AOL within like 36 months was worth 10%

of what Time Warner had to pay for it and give up.

And then AT&T bought Time Warner and then barely

and then had to take a haircut.

And then Time Warner merged with Discovery

and basically it turned into just a giant public benefit organization.

It's like basically the merger between Discovery and Warner Brothers

is if David Zazlov had been honest

who would have stood up and said, look,

this can make me almost a billionaire

regardless of whether I destroy or make shareholder value.

He certainly didn't improve it.

It did not.

It's underperforming the S&P by any stretch of the imagination.

He's a brilliant investment banker

and he's going to walk away with $700 million.

Whatever it's legal, good for him, shareholder.

What I don't get is if I was Netflix,

I would be much meaner or more Macavellian

and I'd be trying to fire up as many

Democratic lawmakers as possible.

I think they are.

I think probably they are.

They're saying a lot of, you know, Jerry Cardinali,

who's one of the investors,

tried to clap back at Netflix.

All that I've talked to some paramount executives

and there are a lot of unions.

I don't get it.

I can't get it over with.

Netflix has got sour grays

when they're accurate sour grapes.

Like sorry.

I think it's very effective by slapping them,

you know, making them a villain.

But yeah, I agree.

The unions won't be here.

It's going to be 8x.

And also Edgar Bronfman,

Sherry Redstone, and now David Ellison,

there's a general trend throughout history

where dad makes a shit ton of money

through grid and creativity

and then dad Jr. loses it.

Yeah.

And at Jr.

But basically the only ones who are willing.

Well, Rupert Murdock took his dad,

but that was like a small object.

Oh, no, he was a rich kid,

but he turned his father's into an empire.

And anyways,

this, anyone involved in media now,

he is basically a billionaire's kid looking

to go to the Oscars and make the family 80% less wealthy.

Yeah, it's true.

And that's what Bronfman did.

That's what Sherry Redstone did.

Definitely.

And that's what David Ellison is about to do.

Well, he has a lot of money,

so it was a lot to lose.

He really, really likes making movies, Scott.

This company is going to be,

they're going to try to go to AI,

to cut, I think,

and I think you're going to see a lot of AI slop.

I think the creative community is going to turn on them.

And I think this is going to be very,

I would not want to own those bonds right now

unless they're seniors secured in the stack.

But I think this is going to be very difficult.

And of course they're going to get a lot of attention

with the news thing, even though it's a smaller part

of the empire.

You know, they're going to lose.

I wouldn't be surprised if they sell it.

I don't, I don't, I've never bought.

They were like, I know for sure,

they're merging ZBS and CNN that they have to.

They, it's economically untenable not to do so.

I would hope they would put Mark Thompson

in charge of the whole thing.

I think he's a really good person and very well-liked.

I can tell you, it's hair on fire over at CNN

in terms of being, I get, I get like covered with CNN.

What's happening, Carol?

What's happening, Karen?

I have some knowledge, I will say.

But they're definitely merging, merging the two of them.

There's no other choice for them to do that.

I think they should have CNN anchors on survivor

that CNN killed.

Dana Bash, oh my God, she would so, I mean.

That's great.

Caitlin Collins would kill them all, don't you think?

Oh no, I think Dana Bash is the kind of person

that would smother you in your sleep if she needed to.

Really, I feel like Caitlin Collins.

Did you see her kick in the press secretary's ass?

I think there's a very dark, interesting side to Dana.

Okay, all right.

But we know we don't.

And I'm here for it.

Dana Broadway, I'm here for it.

No, Jake probably will get gotten Anderson.

Of course, it's so sweet.

I'm trying to think if there's an outside person, Bruno.

I don't know, there's a lot of people there.

There's a lot of people.

I'm going to vote, Caitlin Collins.

You can invite Dana Bash.

We definitely think Anderson and Jake will be off.

We'll be dinner.

I think Farid just opens a bar on the island.

It says, I'm done.

I'm done.

I'm sick of telling people what's going to happen.

That's Jack rank.

It's a viability on an island of CNN anchors.

Oh, that's so funny.

Yeah.

Who wins and survivors?

CNN survive.

They're literally going to have to do.

Create a survivor, the CNN edition.

Oh, Scott, what do you do with Scott Jennings?

What do you, what do you play?

Oh, he's called by his own troops.

He's like, he's, they, I mean, yeah, he's the guy that he's the guy they bury.

They bury up to his neck and sand and listen to the tide come in slow.

No, they're like, is there a fire and is there a fire and hill on the island?

We have an idea for Scott.

I know it's kind of sick, but it's such a funny idea to have something like this.

No, we have Michael Smirconish leading campfire songs at the end of night to make everyone

feel good.

We have AC360, that guy who, who substitutes for Anderson.

He just has to walk around with a shirt off.

He's hot.

John.

He just has to walk around with a shirt off.

I've got it.

I'll put it.

Ellison's called me.

I take back everything I've said.

I have a way to pay off your debt.

That was fun.

You should let us.

Survivor, the CNN edition.

I'm telling you, Kiggling Collins will take them all down.

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Burger King and McDonald's have some social media beef, I can't believe I just read that.

McDonald's posted a video of its CEO eating the company's big arch burger last month and

while he says he was taking a big bite, the bite was small, he also called it the product.

The video went viral because of the discrepancy and then on the day of the release of the big

arch burger king posted a video of its president eating a whopper burger at a more enthusiastic

fashion.

Then the rest of them, there's a Wendy's one, I think there's a Taco Bell.

I don't know.

There's so many of them now and while it was, what did you think, very briefly?

What did you think of this?

It's kind of fascinating.

It really took off the burger eating situation.

It was McDonald's and Burger King and then the other Wendy's got involved.

They're all in there.

They're all in there.

Funny, stupid.

Well, no one wanted to talk about was, there was a CEO of McDonald's, so I think died

of colorectal cancer in his late 40s, like I don't, yeah, that's a real pick me up

before.

Wow.

Thanks, Scott.

Yeah.

I don't know why I brought that up.

I could not be less interested in this story other than to say that, other than to

say that, as I'm sure you are, I've been talking to all these presidents, presidential

candidates who call me for ideas, which is their way of saying send me money.

I'm like, negotiate by a billion doses of a GLP-1 drug.

Right.

Yeah, actually, these businesses are under siege.

You're absolutely right.

Distributed to rural communities.

If you want to solve the deficit, all roads lead to healthcare.

If we want to reduce healthcare costs, all roads, in my opinion, lead to GLP-1 and that

the best investment we could make, I think, I think faster.

By the way, I got to be honest.

I look forward.

The only thing I'm, the only thing I like about travel is if I'm at an airport, I grant

myself the luxury of eating McDonald's.

I have a general rule.

I don't eat fast food or go to strip bars in cities I live in because that could just

go bad places.

So, but when I'm at the airport, the McDonald's in Newark is the best McDonald's in the

world.

Yeah.

You like it in that, too.

And straight back.

Oh, that's not even fast food.

That's the best meal in the world.

It is.

You're right.

But let me get on this.

RFK Junior question, what's in Dunkin' Donuts products in Massachusetts is not having

it?

Governor Moore, a healing post in an image with a Dunkin' cup saying, come and take it.

Others are having fun with the jab on social media saying things like if this administration

changes anything that goes into Dunkin', I will make January 6th look like a tea party.

You know, it's interesting they're going after brands like, well, RFK's another moron.

It's interesting because, remember when Bloomberg did this with the, with the sugar?

It wasn't good.

It was a good minute for him.

Oh, the big gop.

The big gop.

What do you think about this?

I think Dunkin' is not a good thing to go after.

I feel like people really like that Dunkin' Donuts.

They really do.

And they know.

They know it's full of sugar.

They're aware.

America runs on Dunkin', Carol.

Yeah.

Look, I think people have the right to kill themselves.

And if they want to do it slowly with McDonald's and Dunkin', that's kind of their opportunity.

I think the government has an obligation to go the other way and provide more education.

70% of Americans are obese or have a weight.

It's like 38% are obese and Japan is 4%.

And it starts very early.

They have every public school has to have a nutritionist and they are not allowed to have

any processed food and everything has to be made fresh in the morning.

Same thing in Korea.

There's a whole scene in my documentary with a man in a Korean school eating their food.

It's astonishing.

And you ask these kids what their favorite food is?

They're like broccoli.

Yes.

No.

They were like, oh, this kimchi here.

It was a fermented food.

It was miso soup.

It was rice.

Certainly.

It was so good.

It was so healthy.

It was crazy.

And they end up paying $6,000 or $7,000 per consumer on health care and we pay 13,000 folks.

Let's do the math.

So, I don't like demonizing, like I like McDonald's.

I like Dunkin' Donuts.

I like to think that because of education early on, I got some, you know, on focus on

meeting the right foods.

Also, the reality is.

Fast food is a function of poverty and that is, or going back to the same income inequality.

And that is, if you're a single mother, the cheapest caloric intake is fast food.

And people want to get moral and lecture people about the importance of cooking at home

and cooking with good food.

Actually, the myth is that cooking at home saves you money.

No, it's not.

To cook at home with natural ingredients is really expensive.

It is.

And so.

And also time.

A lot of people have to drop.

Or food deserts.

Yeah.

And I've said this before, I think the most transformative technology of the next five

or 10 years is not AI.

I think it's GLP1.

But, uh, love McDonald's, I think people should have the right to kill themselves fast

or slow if they want.

But I think a really good investment would be giving people enough money and enough education

so that they want to and can afford to e-will.

Yeah.

But I have to say, I wouldn't go up against more, healy.

Not if I were you off case, she's a tough nut.

She's a big basketball player.

I don't know if you know that.

She's a very good one.

Anyway, we'll see.

She did our event, right?

That one.

Yeah.

She's great.

Yeah.

And we met her wife.

Yes.

Anyway, we'll see where it goes.

But it's really interesting that these, I have to say some of the brands on social media are

really interesting.

And some of them are better than the Wendy's does an amazing job, for example, online.

Well, you know what Peter Pan's favorite place to eat out is?

Where?

Wendy's.

Oh.

I can't believe you have a dirty joke about Wendy's.

God.

All right.

Scott, one more quick break.

We'll be back for predictions.

Okay.

Scott, let's hear a prediction.

I have something very quickly to say in the prediction department.

I, for people who didn't notice, there was a story, again, on bots about problems with

wrongful deaths and suicides.

This time, it's Google with Gemini AI chatbot coached a man towards suicide.

And it is, the story is devastating.

This is an adult, not a, not a young person, not at someone underage, but it's still

adjust as devastating what it did and what it told them to do.

And it made them go to places and look for things in order to find a robot to put this

digital girlfriend into.

I have to say, I predict some really significant legislation around this in a way that is

probably going to be too reactive and at the same time, it necessary because of the way

these companies are conducting their chat bots that interact with people on a personal

level.

And they have done nothing to, to reign the man.

And so I think there's going to be a flood of things around how we interact with technology

that's going to be bipartisan and pretty ugly for the tech companies.

Yeah.

And I didn't mean to make a lot of fast food.

There was that mass shooting at a fast food restaurant where the guy was screaming, you've

ordered your last McRib and then one of the workers said, sir, this is a Wendy's.

Oh my God.

That's so wrong, Cara.

It's so wrong.

That's so wrong.

Anyway, what's your prediction?

I want to take some license here and I wanted to talk, I wanted to do kind of a fail in

a win.

And that is, I just, I watched, one of my living heroes is Madame Secretary Clinton.

It's the only person I've ever canvased for and when I saw, I watched her entire testimony,

I just thought the level of sexism was so fucking insane.

And that is so first off, when is the last time a man was asked repeatedly to explain

his wife's behavior or actions?

And the absurdity of holding wives accountable for husbands.

And here's what's so incredibly fucked up about this.

We live in a world they ought to responsible for you.

We live in a world where a woman with her own 50 year career in public service, Senator

Secretary of State Presidential candidate gets hauled in front of a committee and asked

to explain what her husband did, not what you did, what he did.

And also there's this implicit assumption that like, and why didn't you stop him?

And we've seen the same bullshit for decades when a powerful man does something wrong.

We turned to his wife and asked, where were you?

Why didn't you know?

Why didn't you leave him?

Why are you still with him?

And we never ask the inverse when a woman in power screws up, we don't haul her husband

in and ask him to explain her choices.

We don't demand he account for her behavior.

We don't ask, why did you stay with her?

Because implicit in all this is this, we do ask that, but go ahead.

Implicit in all this is this assumption that men are autonomous agents responsible for

their own actions, which is right.

Whereas women are responsible for everyone's actions, including their husbands.

The double standard is staggering if Hillary had left Bill after the Lewinsky scandal.

She had been called a calculating opportunist who abandoned him and that it was politically

convenient.

If she stays with him, she's complicit in everything he's ever done.

So I just think it's insane that they kept asking her questions when he was testifying

the next fucking day.

Well, she handled it beautifully.

Yeah, I agree.

So now, just to piss off the Brooklyn Sandold or Birkenstock crowd on the other side, there

is absolutely a double standard for women when it comes to asking them to explain obvious

discresions or conflicts of interest.

Watching the exchange and basically saying, are you having sex with, are you in an extramarital?

And I'm going to be clear, I'm not judging them on having an extramarital affair or having

sex.

When you're having a relationship with your number two who is unqualified, that is reason

to be fired at any organization, any corporation, much less a cabinet position.

And what the exchange reminded me of was how selectively we apply accountability and

politics.

And as someone who considers them a feminist, that means you're subject to the same opportunities.

And also, you're entitled to the same amount of shit as everybody else.

And when male politicians face questions about personal conduct, the expectation is clear.

Answer the fucking question.

And when they dodge the press in the opposition, usually press harder until they either deny

it or outright, until they deny it or admit it.

Evasion.

Evasion becomes the story.

But when a woman, secretary, no, respond to a direct question about a relationship, calling

a total garbage and declining to actually say no, the moment largely passed without the

same relentless follow up.

It will float away because of this double standard of being accused of sludge shaming.

This is sexism the other way.

If a male cabinet secretary responded that way to a similar question, the headlines would

read, refuses to deny and the questioning wouldn't stop.

So there is sexism asking women to take responsibility for their husbands.

But at the same time, there was a double standard and a lack of accountability amongst women

for the same types of things where the press and other lawmakers would not let up.

God, I'm so preachy today.

I know.

I think lawmakers did not let up.

I think they said it.

It's over.

It's done.

They are not.

They are doing their job.

Several times.

So yeah.

If this had been Bill Benson or another man, it would be it would be ongoing until they

clarified their comments.

I'm going to say you're right about the media.

I'd say I think they they asked as hard as they could and she just refused.

She went.

See, I think I think they should have said the following and it's easy to be unemployed.

I think one of them should have said, you are having an inappropriate relationship with

your number two who is unqualified in this puts the nation at risk.

I would back her into a fucking corner.

That's fair.

They could have done it a different way.

You're right.

So I'll move on.

Okay.

Real quick.

My prediction is no.

And that is Dario Amote has given license and permission to CEOs to say no.

And in the next 30 days, you are going to see a raft of CEOs find their testicles and

start saying no to the administration.

No, there's going to be a lot of that.

I agree with you.

100%.

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Everything that's being created by people who are doing AI has value.

So the question is how much value so much money is being spent are the returns that these

companies are going to generate are they going to justify those returns.

I suspect not.

If I had to take my life on it, I'd say we'd have some kind of replay where you know in

the internet bubble, the first generation of internet companies basically failed.

And there was the second generation of internet companies that took us on to glory in terms

of the value of the internet.

Very good.

Very sensible.

That makes sense.

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Scott.

We have to read us out of some stuff.

Oh, thanks.

Yeah.

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