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Oh, hello, everybody, and welcome back to Cricket Unfiltered.

I am Menners.

I'm recording this on Wednesday night.

And joining me from Melbourne is the man who I heard commentating on the shield on the weekend.

Damien Watson.

Damien, you're in fine form.

I tuned in to Victoria, South Australia.

Good stuff.

Oh, there were some things I wish I could take back to be honest with your men.

I know it's been a lot of fun.

I don't think it's always been a lot of fun, but I appreciate the kind of words all the the same.

I thought you were going to come out with something like a little bit edgy and I was planning to say in the words of Karen Green, why are you out to get me?

We are going to get to that.

There is so much to talk about.

And the sort of news I love getting stuck into because over in England.

Liam Livingston has made some comments about the current England setup.

We're going to get to that. There's a new New South Wales cricket coach

who has been appointed today, but he's been appointed in its controversy

and drama at the cricket central where the former coach Greg Shippen was reported to have

paraded past the boardroom several times with the Dean Jones Trophy.

After Lee Jermon said he couldn't win titles with New South Wales. So there is a lot to talk

about but let's just start. They mean where we left off last Wednesday because

when we were recording last week Tasmania was hosting New South Wales in the one day Cup Final.

But after we finished our recording, New South Wales went on to win the title.

They beat Tasmania by four wickets with 11 balls remaining. Tasmania were bold out for 118

in a 22 over game. New South Wales got there with 11 balls remaining. The hero for New South

Wales was Curtis Patterson. He made a 52-nod out. He was the leading run scorer of the tournament,

a significant contribution from him, a captain's knock and it was New South Wales 13th

one day domestic title. My little standout from the chase was Joel Davies. He had a breakout

BBL season and he came out and the required run rate was mounting and he hit 20 off 10 deliveries

and he's shown all summer he's captain cool and captain cool delivered again and New South Wales

after being written off by their own CEO wins a title. It was astonishing.

What's going on there at New South Wales men is your dad unlike New South Wales to have a

doubt themselves about anything I would say. But there you go. Well done on winning the title

all the same. All you blue supporters out there. Curtis Patterson I must say just reward the

re-game delivered a form in the shield last season and good to see he's shown on the biggest stage

in that one-day cup format given the season he had as you mentioned and it was a reign effect

the game of course as you would expect in Tasmania but yeah all credit to UCFIs it's interesting

the dichotomy menace between the one day and I suppose it's somewhat you know not a massive

surprise these days but the shield in the one-day format and I know they played at different times

and the app to try and work out the schedule work around things etc but the difference the stark

contrast between our teams and perform to the shift the shield and the one-day format.

Well I mean they're just different forms of the game and you can see he said oh yeah definitely

but I and I think you can see he knew South Wales they just peaked at the right time they what

they had to beat Tasmania in that last game they did it they found themselves in the final

and then they got two great inclusions in Ben Dwarfius and Sean Abbott who are you know

international calibre bowlers they took three wickets each Dwarfius three for 30 Abbott three for

25 and so they go on and win the title the shield I think you're different players doing well

I mean you South Wales only won two shield games Victoria won seven were dominant yeah so I think

it was a great achievement for this young new South Wales side and yeah the first title in five

years the first one-day title in five years and you know it's funny you know Greg Shippen at

the beginning of the season if you've said okay your job as coach you make the final of the big

bash you win the one-day title but you finished second-last in the shield would you take that

I think it's pretty close to a past mark Damien I know Shippen's been let go but

win the title another final and in the shield being just off the pace still that's pretty good

I agree having said that is it a case of what happened to Ant-Poster Coglu at Tottenham where

obviously they were very poor in the Premier League but still managed to win a title under him

in the Europa League and still got the sack you know there's the one-day cup hold a lot of

stead these days or a lot of significance because at the end of the day it's probably the least played

format therefore it's it's significance is somewhat eroded isn't it and and the shield I think at

highlights the significance of the shield and where that sits in terms of prestige and and priority as

well but yeah I just think Greg Shippen is a long and illustrious career doesn't he when it comes

to coaching at this level the domestic cricket and in various formats I don't know I mean there's

been a lot of turbulence around the decisions that are being made by New South Wales out of the last

five or so years and if the players I don't know you're closer to this than the mementors were the

players a little bit unhappy with the way he was going was it just a response and Egypt reaction

to what was happening is it just a hindsight type of thing it's interesting so I think there's a

feeling well Brad Hadden was appointed today and he talked about getting back to the New South

Wales winning way and I think there's been a feeling that maybe in the shield New South Wales

haven't been aggressive enough they've been a bit conservative haven't gone for wins in you know

in positions where maybe they could risk losing to go for a win they haven't done it and that's

where Brad Hadden came in today and said he's going to turn things around but I just want to sort of back

back battle a little bit so we had a couple of months ago lead you on announce that they were

moving on from Greg Shippard and then he's won the title then this week at Cricket Central

in New South Wales the Fiasco has kind of continued so two things happened firstly the Cricket

New South Wales board was interviewing the new candidate Brad Hadden for the job while Shippard

was coaching New South Wales in the final Sheffield Shield match of the summer at Cricket Central so

the New South Wales board and the new candidate basically walking past Shippard to conduct these

interviews so there definitely is an element of that that is disrespectful I think now the reports

I Brad Hadden is flying off to the IPL tomorrow and they had to sort this out before he left but I

still think there was other ways of doing this you certainly can't move you can't move the cricket

match but you could have those meetings somewhere else to make it a separate process and then they

fired two of the assistant coaches basically during the shield match the board brought the men and said

they won't be required next season Brad Hadden's bringing his team in it's going to be a new team so

you know that's not a very good way to end the season if you're that New South Wales squad

to have your coaches been fired six weeks ago have to stand there and watch the new candidate

being interviewed and then the assistant coaches fired mid mid match I think it's less than pleasing

the way it's been played been carried out and from all reports men as the players were very

unhappy with the way it was handled as well they thought it was very disrespectful to Greg Shippard

I just find it was like how awkward would it be when you did the middle of your job and but

ostensibly these people are covered into a place you are walking past conducting the interview to

get rid of you I just I don't know I'm just surely there's a bit of tax that says oh we'll try

and avoid that area while he's working yeah at the very least I don't know I just found that a bit

bizarre yeah so today Brad Hadden and Legion on front of the media they were both asked a number of

questions that Brad had never said he outlined a lot of the platitudes if you've heard him commentate

of you've heard him on his podcast it's all this intent getting back to playing the new South Wales way

I'm not convinced but I hope I am yeah that's what I'm saying like he hasn't started yet so let's see

how he goes I actually think he's taking over the side at a really good team at a really good time

Shippard has built this young side that they're actually learning how to win and I think he has

every chance of pushing them to succeed more and maybe his approach of being a bit more aggressive

and having a bit more intent his favorite word and cricket will pay off. Legion on was asked some

questions about the the process and the way this all carried out with you know Shippard being

let go did he regret the comments etc etc etc etc and Jamon you know he was quite impressive he

just said that he has great respect for Shippard but and maybe the process didn't play out perfectly

but is there a perfect process can this be done perfectly can you move someone on and and

Jamon also took ownership that it was a mistake to extend Shippard for two years last year that

maybe it should have been a one year extension and then looked at it after this season but my thing

is and I will preface here I do get employed by Cricket New South Wales sometimes in it so

you know I have some but I get some bias that's right but I will say that I just think the whole

thing has been handled pretty poorly and I don't buy this brand hands flying to India tomorrow

excuse these days would soon and everything I think Cricket New South Wales could have let the

season end and then announced they were moving on from Greg Shippard and then announced a new coach

and done it in a little bit more tactful and respectful manner but I also understand if you're

Jamon and the boards decided they're sacking Shippard in January you kind of got to come claim with

it then because it's probably going to get out so I think the whole thing has kind of been handled

badly you know I would think that these sort of reviews should be done at the end of the season

not during a season where these things can crop up maybe they felt they wanted to be proactive the

thing is though men as things have changed a little bit they've won a title they've earned a little

bit more respect do you think now if things had continued the way they were let's say you know

Shippard was still there and you do that review now do you think he keeps his job or is he not

done enough even if he's won that title well it's interesting we'll never know will we because

you're in a position would you say you deserve to keep his job well I think he does especially

when you take the shield and the one day cup into consideration but sorry the the big bash but

then you know Jamon said today that two wins in the shield's not good enough I agree it's not

that good but I just think the whole thing's been handled poorly I do concede maybe hadn't

is the right man for this squad at this time to just get them really moving get that belief going

I don't know but it's Shippard who is such a well respected coach has been such a terrific servant

for New South Wales cricket and a strength cricket just deserves slightly better treatment

out there enough I agree with that and well I think though there is a bit of optimism around

Brad had it in the sense that he is he is someone it seems like a bit of an extrovert doesn't

mean from the outside I think he can give them that bit of grunt and that bit of a competitive edge

New South Wales I think he'd be a good mentor in that respect for the younger players he's

spent a bit of time obviously in the media in recent times and I know he's he's had business

interests as well so be interested to see what he brings men as you know he's sort of he's

that not about type of bloke isn't he already does triple M radio with the cricket does a bit of

Fox cricket as well so be interested to see whether that carries across whether there's a

disciplinary aspect to him as well how will he go and the people management game it'll be interesting

yeah can he free them up a bit because he's always been a very aggressive carefree player when

he was on the field yeah so that's what happened out at Sydney Thunder but Sydney sent cricket central

cricket I love the image of Greg Shippard walking past the board I constantly with the Dean

Jones trophy Nick Savage reported that that's peak trolling I do love that um Brad hadn't

said he doesn't want to coach the the domestic T20 side so he doesn't want to coach the thunder or

the sixes so there are reports Shane Watson could coach the thunder Dan Christians in the frame for

that Matthew Mott is in the frame for the Sydney sixes job Ben horns reported today the James

hopes the former Brisbane head player might get the sixes job so it'll just be hadn't doing the

shield and then other coaches taking over the franchises another domestic appointment both

Caston has been appointed the WA coach for the next three years he was former New South Wales batting

coach but now I'm playing Ben assistant coach for Western Australia for the last six or seven

years but takes over from Adam Vodges what do you think of that yeah and well he's been in the

system for a while we discussed it I think briefly last week from memory yeah I could be wrong but

yeah I think it's a sound appointment given he's obviously been within the system I would

imagine he was he'd be respected by the players and would don't be known by the players he'd

know their strengths and weaknesses given they've made this appointment so I think it's it's

certainly a worthy one and it'll be hopefully for WA's cause a bit of a rebound after they've

had a bit of a slump after such success yeah absolutely Cameron Green so a bit of an incident

that was reported by Tom Deeson from the Sydney morning Harold Cameron Green made 135 for Western

Australia on the second day of the shield match and there was a message sent out to the New

South Wales media WhatsApp group that Cameron Green would be available at the end of plan the

third day to talk to the media Tom Deeson has reported that on the third day he went out there to

do that media spot with Green but then he was told that Green doesn't want to do the media anymore

the end of the third day then they Green changed his mind he was going to do it but there was

limitations put on the questions that you couldn't ask anything about the summer or the World Cup

just about this game and potentially that hundred and you only had a couple of minutes now I think

Tom Deeson was the only journalist out there for this interview and Deeson has reported that

basically Green didn't want to answer any questions that weren't specifically about WA in that

game and walked away muttering and saying to Tom Deeson why are you out to get me and then

both castings come over and apologise to Tom Deeson for what happened Green's gone and

jumped in his car and and headed off look it sounds like a bit of a storm in a teacup

they mean like Green obviously got the shits doesn't want to talk to the media maybe doesn't want

to talk to Tom Deeson but it is a sign that there's bigger problems for him that the snowball

effective pressure is getting to him yeah Greg that's a telltale sign that it is getting to him isn't it

still in cricketing terms relatively young man are they 26 year in adult by that stage well

and truly but I think in cricketing terms still somewhat young I think it'll be a good lesson for

him if he can weather this storm but yeah there's certainly concerns on our Greg chapel was very very

vocal on radio the other day talking about his concerns with Cam Green's technique and potentially

he's mindset as well so it'll be interesting to see whether he can get back into form but it's

obviously affecting him the pressure and I'm not entirely surprised by that I think you know a lot

of cricketers and sports people in general say they don't read what happens in the media I think

the vast majority of them probably do that is if you if you have to have a pretty sturdy bind

not to notice external noise and you put in you know when you're when you're not going for a great

run anyway yeah you're putting enough pressure on yourself as it is so I think it was just a case

and he's not the only cricketer to have done it just a case of him unloading on a journalist in

this you know instance obviously the wrong thing to do I don't think he really should be unloading

your steam on journalist you at the end of the day Cam Green's getting paid good money to play

cricket at various levels so you've got to be held accountable that's the price you pay in terms

of playing elite sport and getting paid very well you've got to be held account for your performance

we're all held to account for our performances and the various roles that we do in our own

lives minutes so this is no difference it's just paid out the more public space I don't think the

meteor are out to get him because the end of the day they've praised him when he's played well

that's the way it works having said that what do you make I don't move Hughes put out a tweak

just recently minutes saying you know it's interesting how a lot of Junos have been commented on

Tom Decent's behavior in that he was told not to ask you know questions outside of the shield

and yet he went ahead and did it anyway so that's interesting coming from the lens of an ex-player

what did you make of the exchange oh rubbish I mean Tom Decent's a great journalist they're rubbish

comments you know this is poor from green he should be in a good mood he's just made 135

is back in form first century since the middle of last year you know there's no reason for him to

be in a bad mood you know if you can't answer a few questions about the summer or the form in the

world cup then something's wrong because he's you right he's a contractor Australian player

he'd been given a days notice that he was going to front the media surely he's got enough media

training now even if he's asked a question outside what is expecting it can just palm it down

you know it's really happy to spend some time out in the middle put that you know period behind him

and you know I do think there was a bit of an there was a bit of there was a bit of feeling between

the Australian cricket team and the media in that last test at the SCG there were those comments

around George Bailey from Stuart Clark that seemed to really upset not just the Australian media

team but the actual Australian team from what I'm understanding I know Tom Decent wrote a report

where he quoted Stuart McGill and gave George Bailey an absolute whack so you know I do think this

Australian team keep the receipts I do think they know the writers that whack them and I do think

they're a bit of that came into that interaction where I don't think green wanted to talk to Decent

in particular that that's what I read into it yeah I think this at the end of the day though

men is if you're getting paid to play the game regardless of the pain I know how disappointing it

must feel when when you're going for a bit of a lean trope you're right you should have been happy

you're a century you know I think it's one of the things about society men as I think I know

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weekend that I'm not proud of but and you take responsibility for it you know so it is what it is

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100% and even if you don't want to be too you know open and revelatory about how you've been

feeling surely you've been trained enough to know how to just dance around answers pad talk a lot

and then times up you move on everybody's happy all right we're going to take our first break on

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back for month welcome back to the cricket unfiltered podcast I'm men as I'm with Damien Watson and

we're deep in the domestic news we've been out at cricket central so far to start the show

had the shipping controversy the had an appointment the green bus stop but just before we move on

from green Damien he did make a hundred and thirty five and you know it is the green problem

that he does so well in shield level the average is almost 50 at domestic level he's a you know

very very good shield play but a test level just can't translate that to test performances and you know

I'd like to see him you know probably batting number six in the side consistently and bowling and

maybe we don't ask as much of him as we've been trying to ask in the last few years don't try

and turn him into a three or four top-order player I think you know that number six spot really

looks good for me for him if he's in form and maybe it's when bowwebs don't retire maybe bowwebs

just leap ahead of green but yeah this hundred didn't answer many questions because we know he

can do it at this level yeah I think ultimately though men as hopefully it can be a bit of a

confidence booster for him sometimes you need that century to turn things around we've seen

players in the past that go through a bit of a trough and you sometimes need a confidence boosting

knock you're right historically he's played well in the shield and as it always well hasn't really

translated the same consistency at international level but he's a bit older now hopefully he

gets himself physically sound don't forget he's had his injury travails over the last couple of

years maybe this could be a bit of a turning point for him mentally and hopefully he learns a bit

from the exchange with Tom Veeces as well you know not to let him so get carried away and worry

about externe all the ways as much as he he has been so he's got an opportunity this year hopefully

coming into this summer he can he can continue his consistency that's all you can do really

oh absolutely a hundred percent I still think he's a very good cricketer but maybe we've just

got to let him be in all rounder that averages you know between 35 and 40 and also takes

wickets and you know if you've got someone at number six who can do that then you've got a seriously

good player but now we head over to the IPL the most expensive player international player ever so

lots of pressure on him to perform so I'll be keeping a watch on that very very closely all right we

have a Sheffield Shield final your Victoria Damien hosting the defending champion South Australia

so the shield ladder ended Victoria on top South Australia in second spot and then Queensland

third Tasmania fourth New South Wales fifth and w a in wooden spoon position again with just

one win from that Queensland were eliminated pretty early in that last round of that men

Osman Kawajie's first class career came to an end he didn't play in that last game because of

the birth of his third child he would have played in the shield final so no more first class cricket

Osman Kawajie played 229 first class games almost 16,000 runs and an average of 43 so fine

career you know he had his send off in test cricket so I don't think it matters too much that he didn't

get a first class send off he got a a beautiful send off at the SCG and you know he could go into

retirement now you're very proud of his achievements at both tests and domestic level and I saw

some photos of emitters after the last game he ended up playing at first class level for

Queensland there were these kids and and just hugging him around these cricketing year etc so I

think that was a nice simple send off probably given the amount of you know the vocal narratives

surrounding him over the last two years it was kind of almost an antithet you know it's almost

a contrast to what we've seen with Osborne because there was a lot of talk about each place

of the site etc it was kind of not I reckon it was probably kind of nice and away for him to go

quietly into the sunset from a first class level and congratulations to him on the birth of

his third child as well excellent excellent all right so Osman Kawajie goes off into the sunset but

the Sheffield shield continues just looking at the ladder Damien I think they have to change

this point system I hate this point system I hate these bonus points so basically the bowling side

gets a weak point one of a point for every wicket so if you get all 10 wickets in 100 overs you get a

point and if you're batting and you score over 200 you get 0.01 of a point for every run over 200

I think it's ridiculous I think it makes the ladder look ridiculous I think it's alienating for

the fans if you're a casual fan you just don't know what's going on I think they need to go

back to a system where maybe it's six points for an outright win and four points for a first innings

win and let's get back to playing normal cricket not I think the point system is also affecting

the the way the pitches are prepared the way teams play and just from a fans point of view like no

one understands it yeah well I was struggling to understand I remember I was with Patty Dooley and

we used AI men as jury the call to try and keep track on how the points were going jury the call

of the Boria South Australia games seeing our Queensland were going it ended up being simple in

the end because Queensland performed somewhat poorly against Tasmania but you know you had to try it

was it was complicated very complex even for we followed cricket minutes so yeah I would like

to see a more simple format as well you know in the same way you have a set criteria for a bonus

point make it simple and maybe make it based on the M result rather than what happens to the first

first couple of days potentially that way it's just a simple format certain amount of points for a win

certain amount of points for a draw I think you just got to keep it simple in this sort of scenario

because yeah yeah but into the season yeah 0.01 here you know just yeah it just became a bit too

complicated that to use AI yeah very very silly so but Victoria hosting South Australia we'll do a

full preview because I think the final starts next week and yes just at the end of the season I

thought it'd be good to look at the stats the stats so a lot of pop talk around the weak

batting stats this year so the leading run score was paid hands from 688 runs Cameron Bangkok in

second spot 674 runs the two veterans there Henry Hunt 667 runs then you got Sam Constance in

fourth position with 660 runs two half centuries and a century so Constance had an interesting

season Damien because you got a lot of stats didn't convert a lot of them but when you consider

he's a young man he came fourth in the leading run score played every game I think that's not too

bad for an opening batter and overall with with the context of these batting stats being so low

which has to be due to the pictures then Constance probably had a pretty good year and there's some

probably hope there for fans of Samy Kaye yeah but having said I agree to an extent but having said

that matters you got to put it into the context of the fact that you know it was a probably a

lower scoring season with that have happened 20 years ago we're a player who got starts on a

consistent basis but couldn't necessarily convert into massive scores on a regular basis being

the top four I just think these pictures were very difficult we saw it in the tests the result

pitches it's we discussed at the point system but you know they've got to adjust it because it's

it's bad for the game these pitches are juiced up there there's no draws every team's going for

a result and it means opening the batting is the hardest spot so I actually think you know you want

to scale up for Constance that's 660 that could be a thousand one year in any other year

Peter Hanscomb was addressing the media before the game against him off Australia and he was talking

about why that is why because at the end of the day was top of the leaderboard but why is it

difficult for players to make big scores and there was suggestion that you know the the lacquer

on the ball the cook of our ball was making some sort of difference but he didn't buy into that I

think he said it was predominantly down to the pictures and the way they've been playing

particularly you know I think there was a bit of a concern he was saying there was a bit of a

concern and effort you know particularly with what happened at the MCG about eight or nine years

ago in that boxing day test to try making a bit more of an even contest between batten ball because

he did have certain situations manners where there were roads you look at the junction oval that

was an example where traditionally that was a bit of a road and you were playing out draws a lot

of the time so and that's but that's where in the shield you you have a real disadvantage then

if you can't win at home you are going to struggle to make the shield final so it's infectious now

with the point system everyone around the country is producing these result wickets it's not good

for spin bowling because they don't get much of a look in and yeah it's disappointing yeah but could

you make the argument I think it's just about finding that balance because you can make the argument

when when you had situations where it was just a bit of a better form is that great for the game either

probably not and it's not that entertaining either so I think it's probably just going the other way

and you just need to find that mean middle ground absolutely so hands can bank off to veteran

probably not quite in Australian considerations, constants, yes, door and fift leading run score

probably not going to see him play for Australia, Sammy Harper bit of a break eight year opening

the batting if he could if he could do it if he starts off next season they won't be able to

ignore his form and probably the other one of interest the two other players of interest

occurred as Paterson 619 runs average of just over 36 with 200s and 250s you add to that his one day

stuff where 300s and a title you know he he should be there or thereabouts for consideration for

the Australian side whether it's opening with head or batting it three instead of minus I think

Paterson had a pretty good year and Jake weather ruled I only played seven matches but in the end

averaged over 40 with 562 runs and five half century so not too bad for weather ruled and paterson

and the other one Jason Sanger actually a lot of talk after last season how he would do this year

he ended up making 537 runs at an average of 35.8 with 100 and 450

wrench or the other player six matches 300s average just under 50 but missed a lot of games probably

wrench or is there probably the the smokey you know average 50 300s if I'm George Bailey that's a

pretty good season yeah it's right they seem to put him into the shorter formats or prioritise him

for the shorter formats as he's such a clean striker of the ball but he's also quite elegant

off the pads with these clips through a bit wicked which I think people forget

so I think you're right and he showed enough for Australia right as well in the middle of the

year so he's he's had a reasonable 12 months as of the after probably not taking the opportunities

when they were there in the last couple of years when we had these bad offs I know 23 24

at a reasonable season but then after that probably didn't have the same consistency

but yeah it'd be interesting to see if he gets more of a go at shield level what what he can

produce and whether he comes back into consideration what you can certainly say is no one has shot

the lights out no one has said pick me pick me pick me no one's piled on a thousand run season

and put an undeniable case in front of the selected I think a lot of players have sort of held

position and I think Constice is definitely for me anyway improved his resume I think that's a

really impressive season for a young man but no one has shot the lights out which will make the

selectors job even harder does Hanskin maybe push a case now the co-argers no longer around

see push a case to be you know in that four fifth position when they play in the subcontinent

because he tends to be a very good player of spin absolutely I think he's definitely

a candidate to go to India in 2027 next year definitely I mean Andrew McDonald was talking

about koazha going and sticking around for that so I think Hanskin certainly an option moving to

the bowling now the most wickets for the season Liam Hatcher new South Wales own 44 wickets at an

average of 19.84 really impressive season if he am he's a very good ball Cameron Ganon in seconds

spot with 42 wickets and then Corey Ruckicholi with 38 wickets in third spot but I have one concern

with this leading wicket takers list when I go down this list day me in there's no Lance Morris

there's no Joe Richardson there's no Xavier Bartlett where are the next crop of quicks can't

going to come from all the ones that are on the contract list that injured haven't been playing

so you know if there were you know another spade of injuries like last summer is it Liam Hatcher

Sam Elliott who's in fourth spot who come into the side yeah so that's my concern that everyone's

talking about the batting but you know we haven't seen a lot of cricket from you know as I said

Richardson Morris and co who were expected to be the next quicks well you just worry about

Morris getting injured again there was a talk that he was going to come back on a walk in

sister basis this summer and it just hasn't evacuated for him so just about him getting his body

right we know he's got the potential there it's interesting with Victoria mentioned Sam Elliott he's

been a bit of a boulder to a to a certain degree he wasn't getting a consistent place in the

shield side only 18 months ago mentors and now there's going to be talk and we'll talk about it maybe

next week about the Victorian selection for the shield final because you've got a few quicks

you got Elliott competing for a spot along with O'Neill and Mitch Perry who are all capable

quicks and it looks as if O'Neill got rested for that previous game and he's another one that

comes into consideration as well for further on as going for but you know there are there is a

little bit of talent there it's just whether it's going to be the same as the golden generation

that we've seen of a pace poll as over the last few years yeah absolutely I think there is talent

there but I just worry that those players that are hyped up so much aren't playing enough cricket

well that's it for the the the shield season they the 10 rounds proper now we've just got

the shield final to go I'm backing Victoria to do it at home there being so impressive

this season Chris Rogers has been building this team he's been shaping it these young players over

the last few years and this is the culmination of all that work so hopefully for your sake

Damien I'm going to go for Victoria for you Damien don't yeah I'd put the mirrors favorites given

there at home as well but wouldn't there be a great story of South Australia went back to back

and then they did it away from home as well and they found form at the right time of the season

to me and as they started off pretty poorly but I've come home with a bit of a wet sail so let me

be interested to see what happens in the final hopefully I don't know if we're going to get the same

attention as last year because they say we're obviously looking to break the title but hopefully

there's a decent enough crowd weren't many people particularly those last two days of the last

match that is a junction that more cricket is the the the crowd are you good all right well that is

it for the shield we're going to take our final break on this episode and then we'll be back two

bits of news from England I want to talk about a gag order and then a story that broke which makes

you wonder why which makes you realise why they did the gag order quick look at the 100 auction

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Damian it has all been kicking off in England so the the post ashes hangover was kind of delayed

in England because of the t-20 woke up everyone kind of held firm but things are starting to leak

out now so there was a story last week that the counties were told to cancel all the interviews for

ashes tourists or ECB contracted players in the lead up to the county championship season

there was a gag order basically put on the players I think show a busier was due to do an interview

at his county and then that was pulled at the last minute and there's a feeling that they want

all the England players to keep quiet until the review is done and Keesey and Richard

Richard Gould address what happened in the ashes and then the players will be allowed to speak but

I mean this is really bad Damian if you are gagging your plays you've got something to hide but then

but then we're starting to see why maybe they gagged played because Liam Limiston gave an explosive

interview to Crick Info where he laid into the cricket setup which which I'll get into Damian but

it never works putting a gag order in it's a bit like the Cameron Green thing surely these players

are professional enough there's a question they don't want to answer so if they are asked about

should basmicalum keep his job you can literally just say look there's a review going on I'm not

going to comment on that like it's very easy to you know soft you know play play straight

bat absolutely that's right and that does it does hint doesn't that there's a bit of tension in

the ranks more more there more secrets yeah because why why do you need to why do you explicitly

need to put it on you know maybe the propound to thing wasn't the only thing that happened maybe

there's countless incidents that we don't know about yeah you know but yeah it does it does show

there's a bit of tension there when they when they put a gag order on explicitly you know it just

well and I do wonder whether that creates tension in its own right because the players are thinking

what we don't you don't trust us to say the right thing or exactly so it started pretty badly

with that and then and then it got worse because Liam Limiston gave an interview to Crick Info

and he exploded on Keyes McCullum he described last year's tramp champion trophy as the worst

experience he's had playing cricket that he did not miss being involved in the race in T20

World Cup I didn't miss it one bit there wasn't any part of me that there was wishing I was playing

in that team to be honest and then he goes on to say Keyes he said nothing to him or Summer I

actually rang him one day and he said he was busy at a test camp and couldn't talk to me and I

didn't hear from him until the end of September based and then Limiston says if you're in you're in

and if you're not in no one cares about you he also says he when he asked the coaching staff for

answers he was told he cared too much that's the clanger for me Damien he cared too much I was asking

for help and pretty much all I got was that I cared too much and I knew to chill out a little bit

and everything will take care of itself for someone to keep telling you that you cared too much is

it's probably a bit way off the mark to be honest with what you go through and parents sacrificing

so much for years on end to get you to realise your dream when things don't go right of course

you're going to care if I didn't care then I probably wouldn't want to play the sport this is a

dam in commentary from a former England player who's just been in that squad who's been on the inside

of that squad the fish you know what is it the fish runs from the head or something I mean you

know this does not look good from a column in case and and this is well timed there's no doubt

Limiston knows there's a review going on I'm going to talk to Crick infoward spill the bands

yeah and he's probably is there an element of him there's a thing though he says that he

doesn't miss it well he obviously does miss it better because he's obviously angry that he's not

in it anymore and he wasn't given the proper feedback as to why he's no longer part of the

part of the brevard do you think that's what it is well absolutely absolutely he's got every right

to be bitter I'd be bitter in the same situation as well but yeah I think that's what's motivating him

to make these comments that's right but it sounds like he's been treated poorly I know in

Australia basically you can't call the selectors can't call every player that's not picked

they just can't so every time a squad's announced they only call the players who've been left out

normally that's the way it works from the last squad but if Limiston is asking keys for just a bit

of guidance yeah it is not hard to pick up your phone for five or ten minutes it I'm sorry but if

your rob keys no one is that busy for a quick phone call or even an email shoot him an email with

a few things but that that's all from Rob easy you know speaks to the culture inside that team

that is not too healthy we you know we saw during the summer Stokes and McCullum seem to be at

each other so there's a bit going on there for sure so I'm really looking forward to the announcement

about McCullum's future which will come very soon you would imagine whether he's going to

continue on in the job or not but interviews like this won't do any good and gagging the players

that that's not a good sign either there's you know more under the surface or they're going to make

a change but yeah England's falling apart that's why I'm speeding it you must be absolutely thrilled

matters I am this is this is delightful like we all know how angry I was after the last what was that

hooked it hooked it to your veins absolutely but it's it's it's it's sort of is it living up to what

I'd hoped for yes I mean this is what I wanted I want Stokes has still got his job McCullum though

I mean it's just embarrassing for them so that's what you so enjoyable about this all right staying

in England since our last episode the hundred auction took place the first ever auction in English

sport Australia's own Beth Mooney was signed for 210,000 pounds almost 400,000 Australian dollars

equally in the highest salary in the competition Sophie divine also got that last year the

highest salary was 65,000 pounds so it's a huge increase with private ownership so if you're

mulling you got signed for only 47 and a half thousand pounds but yeah that was the big surprise

for Australia Beth Mooney getting that big number a lot of Australians did preside so you know at least

Perry, Lana King, Grace Harris, Meg Lennon made the brown was signed for 40,000 pounds, Nika

Carey was signed for 95,000 pounds but Phoebe Litchfield had already presigned actually our

favourite Jess Johnison got 110,000 pounds at the auction so good result for her yeah absolutely

just on Sophie Mullenue Minners there's talk again that you're interesting to see I know you

there's a bit of a pet topic for you you're interesting to see how they managed here for this

West Indies tour because what this article that was printed the last 24 hours suggests that maybe

she won't be bowling as much she will play but I wonder if they're going to not bowler not user

as a bowler she'll just focus on captain in the field and then batting to the lower down the

order which is an interesting one isn't it it shows that maybe there's still a bit of lingering

pain so hopefully I hope for her sake that she can get fit and well yeah absolutely you know my

feelings on this I mean that just further underlines what a crazy decision it was to give her the

captaincy when there were much better candidates there were much fitter definitely in the best 11

I don't know about better maybe fitter candidates but yeah at the end of the day better better

but if you're in the best 11 you're a better candidate like you don't have to think about

thinking somebody I'm talking about as a leader yeah the thing is Australian Australian cricket

it's always been built upon you pick your best 11 plays and then you don't you don't you don't

pick Mike really to lead the squad right with the men's auction I guess the big news was

an IPL own side did sign a play from Pakistan Abra Ahmed was signed by the sun rises leads for 190

thousand pounds so that discussion around whether IPL sides would sign any Pakistan plays

you can't put it to bed because Sunny Gavisca wrote a column in India that basically

signing Abra Ahmed was like putting bullets in Indian soldiers and Sunny Gavisca's reasoning was

sun rises pay Ahmed that money will get taxed by the Pakistan government then that money goes to

the military and some of that goes to firing bullets in India so Gavisca was not happy and that is

the the problem with this issue it's it's so vexed it's so emotional that you know sun rises leads

to the right thing for their club and the fact there's a huge population from Pakistan in that

area of England but they're getting backlash in India and from a huge figure in sunny Gavisca

I don't know what you can say I mean it's just it's a shame because I think they've done the right

thing sun rises and I don't know if Gavisca is actually correct there that just paying a Pakistani

player means you're firing bullets on the Indian people yeah it's easy it just shows you how deep

rooted it is it's the same it's crazy thought yeah I just yeah I just think it shows you how deep

rooted the the rivalry isn't it matters but yeah I think it's over that you can't make that

comparison between killing someone I'm signing someone the in cricket I get the emotion behind

well he's just saying that the money is the money he's saying the money goes to the military from

cricket but oh I see sorry I got it now I understand you but yeah it's ridiculous anyway so

so that's that's so that's what happened so the issue kind of smolders on but it does stop

that discussion of discrimination I guess because one was one player from Pakistan was signed

estranged into well in the auction barren of Bartlett watches almost out mature got picked up for

75,000 pounds by the Welsh fire but that is the first hundred auction and when we did see the

values of the the female players and some of the men's plays significantly increased with private

ownership so bit of a test case for Australia all right that is all the headlines now we're going

to cartlet it go then we will go to the YouTube comments I'm going to go cartlet it go first and

then I'm going to look at the comments where you're giving your cartlet it go I've got two cartlet

it goes firstly I got a message last week and you know I couldn't believe it I got a message from

baby Dino I got a message message from Dean Jones son who's a fan of the podcast fan of the

podcast wants to come on because he's a budding cricketer he wants to talk about his dad he wants to

get into media he's only 17 I think this is the Jackson warn effect I think he's seen Jackson

warn and all the media stuff he's done his podcast so baby Dino is you know he plays I think

pretty high level great quick and in Sydney he's going to come on the podcast pretty soon it's

talk about his dad I mean Dean Jones was my hero growing up met Dean Jones a number of times

and yes getting a message from his son was bizarre so you reached out to you did he

what is the back of the last episode last week I don't know just call me he got my numbers online

and it's got a message this is Dean Jones son but anyway so he's going to pop in one of the

episodes I mean maybe you'll be in intern for the show that'd be good that'd be good Dean Jones

than you in three labor for you yes absolutely yeah well if you want to learn about media he's got to

start somewhere and my other thing that's right and my other cartlet it go is very quickly we missed

it but there was a new first class record Brett Randall of central district districts in New

Zealand took five wickets in five balls for the first time ever in first class cricket and northern

districts collapse from none for four to five for nine there was a wicket off Randall's last ball

of an over then four wickets after first four balls the next over and then he took another wicket

to have six to have six wickets in eight balls which has never been done before in first class

cricket and Randall wasn't even going to play except for injuries and unavailability so an amazing

record for Randall fantastic and good to see hopefully it's you know a bit of a flow on affected

terms of further publicity you receive there may be a bit of attention as well time for my

cartlet it go minutes it is and I'm going to be reading the comments I probably won't be listening to you

say no that's all right no but you might want to you might want to I think you might agree we might

like one of our favorites matters Amanda jade Wellington I noticed didn't get picked up in the

hundred auction which surprised me a little bit because isn't she like at the top three of the

all-time wicket takers in the hundred Amanda jade Wellington so I found it a bit surprising that

she wasn't picked up maybe you know English cricket and the powers of B when it tried and raised

the stocks of some of the younger players coming through which spilled bowlers and picking some of

their own but I found it a bit odd given what she's done for the competition and her contribution

to pumping it up and also her player as well she's been she's had a bit of success in the competition

to not get picked up I thought was a little bit odd yep yep well I think that's what happens when

private ownership comes in I mean it's a bit more ruthless they're probably looking for big names

internationals and and that's why I'm probably um willing to miss that yeah I know it's so now

just just found that one a little bit odd so that was my can't let it go for this week all right

now all right let me go through the chat there's a lot but tiger tiger hey men is what do you think

about a strain plays going to the PSL security threat from this smudger please be careful look it

is a very interesting issue I think if there's any doubt the players won't go there's no way

they'll put themselves in harm's way Daniel Churney I think men has just tweeted out that there's a

chance that I think there's a conflict isn't there in the afghanistan pakistan border or something

like that I'm not 100% aware of it but I think he put out a tweak just in the last uh

12 hours or so saying he's understanding is that um I think it was Role Pendi a match that was

a shower yeah a shower yeah apparently might not be going ahead so I haven't looked uh since then but

yeah there's there's an element of doubt that a lot of looks of things yeah I know the strain plays

they won't put themselves in harm's way they make too much money to take a risk going if there's

any trouble a tiger tiger manage your little clip with McGill is gone viral in Indian cricket YouTube

it's gone everywhere someone sent me a um another podcast in England that broke the whole thing down

um like blow by blow it was hard I remember there's a couple of blokes um they do a popular podcast

in Sydney and they broke it all down as well I've forgotten what it's called but they've had a lot

a lot of a lot of NRL players and things like that they uh broke it down too sorry to interrupt but

yeah yeah I did get sent some reactions from the scn morning hosts around the country

and let me just say like somewhere in my good books and there's a couple well there's one in particular

go on who is gone I'm not going to name him um but you know he he's he's gone on the shit list put it

that way um but your your mates down in Melbourne very supportive I don't know who's it uh Gary and

Tim do they still host Gary and Tim yeah Gary line yeah that was very supportive yeah yep yep um

um uh yes target targets us why did they coach fire the coaches the day before we did speak about that

um well that's it really um lots of great comments if you're new and bow bow Webster should replace

Cameron Graham permanently in the Australian team yep I mean certainly an option the only thing I

don't like about Webster is when I see him play shield cricket he bats low down the order

and I know the selectors look at that I think what's going on um so I think they need to

he needs to be higher up the order hmm well maybe uh for teen balance I mean as I have a lot of

decent players in that top order um but then again Webster's an international player so yeah see

what you mean yeah well that's it for this edition of cricket unfiltered thanks everybody for

tuning in live on youtube thanks everybody for listening on the podcast please like and

subscribe the show we are still doing live dream eleven shows lots of exciting news Stuart McGill and

I still doing some shows on there we've put the beef behind us and talking cricket and

Dan Christian is joining cricket unfiltered for the live stream so Dan Christian will be coming

into studio regularly and recording shows uh over the IPL and stuff so we'll be able to lean on his

heavy heavy t20 experience uh Damien we're can listen to catch you over the next week

uh at day my underscore what's the back of the footy my men is which I know you uh

all right I'm ending the show now

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