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2:27Week two of spring practice, almost in the books. The buck guy is still going to work on Saturday. We're going to break down what week two taught us here today at Letterman Row. That's Mick Walker on the other side of your screen. I am a hobbled Spencer Oldbrook who's pushing through some things. Earlier in the week, planned on recording a lot of video this week. Had an eye infection. Nobody needed to see that. Late in the week now, got a bit of a stuff he knows, working with some congestion. So if they sound a little different, I'm sorry, but we're going to push through. As the book is pushing through the second week of spring ball, Mick, let's talk. What'd you learn? Biggest piece of intel info, whatever you saw might have been pro day, might have been on the team. What'd you learn? I'd like the seat in the cabinet of the James Smith fan club after listening to talk on Thursday afternoon or Thursday morning whenever that landed. James Smith, I don't know what anybody really expected, but I know you said it. We all got launched afterwards, so we talked about it plenty, but I think we were all kind of

3:29in green, so whatever we expected from James Smith, he blew out all expectations for that. Just the way he handled the media, the hand of the press conference. The openness he spoke, not only about his transition to Ohio State, but why he wanted to be here, what he's done since he's been here. It was a very impressive thing to do, and this is now pairing him with a guy Patrick Houston, who also has a ton of personality on that defensive line, so I'm fascinated to see what those guys do on the field as well. The thing about the James Smith interview that was pretty eye opening is like, when Seth McLaughlin and Caleb Downs came over from Alabama a couple of years ago, we asked them like, hey, to championship level programs, what's the difference here? If I remember correctly, like both of them were like, oh, it's pretty similar actually, like both programs do a really good job. For Seth, he needed to change his scenery. As far as Caleb, it was like, yeah, I went there for Coach Sabin, once Coach Sabin retired, I felt like a time for me to kind of re-recruited and see what my options were. No, I think my takeaway actually is that there's a program that's fallen out of the top

4:36tier of College Football, because not only from things that we hear from outside and from the national side of things, but also like from James Smith, he's now lived in both, like Ohio State's intensity is different. He talked about how Ohio State is much quicker and everything is more faster-paced compared to what he did at Alabama where everything was a little slower. It just seems like Ohio State has fully pulled ahead of Alabama in the tier rankings of the of the College Football Landscape, but I think that is worth noting here. Now, as for all the people with James Smith, we're already very excited to see what he can do, and the buzz coming out is immense. It's pretty loud, so it's exciting to hear from James Smith, it's exciting to hear from people talking about James Smith. I think the book guys believe that that he can be really, really good. He certainly believes he can be very good. Not a guy that's lacking for confidence at all, so if you're in Ohio State fan wondering like how the heck are we supposed

5:38to replace Kate and McDonald into a smaller extent, Taiwan, Malone, who I think is working his way up draft boards a little bit earlier in the day three. James Smith is a pretty good option to have there, and then I've also heard good things about John Walker, so this week compared to not a lot of buzz in that initial week, so I think this defensive lines in good hands, but of course that starts with the new guy James Smith. The other thing I think that I caught my about the defensive line, and you broke this news on what Tuesday I believe. Ohio State has added, and I don't want to make a big deal of adding a person like this to the program because there's about two or three of these positions, like positions for each position group, but Ohio State added former NFL like assistant past rush group guru, I believe he's kind of been described by Nick Sabin, Joe Kim to the coaching staff, and again, I don't know what actual tangible impact he'll have on the season when it comes around, but you can attest to it, I can attest to it after watching two practices this week. He's out there with these guys, him and Larry Johnson, Miguel Patrick, the defensive line coaches,

6:42they're probably an extra 30 minutes of reps on the on the practice field going through different techniques, hand fighting, different things like that placement. It's pretty impressive to see, and like it's a group of young defensive line that is still need to kind of prove themselves to the Ohio State fan base, and it seems like they fully embrace the idea of just continuing to get better, which is interesting to see and should be a welcome site for Buck, I fans. Yeah, you'll realize where I'm going with this at the end. My cousins have a toddler, and I saw her last weekend, and multiple times when I would go up to her and say something, she would just go, hi, yeah! And so they taught her how to do like a little karate chop, and I wonder what Joe Kim would think of that karate move that she's got, because he's not a karate instructor, but he's trained over 250 black belts in Taekwondo. I don't know if the hi-ya little chop is a Taekwondo or a karate move, but Joe Kim is the number one guy on my list of people I'm not going to mess with in the building now, with respect to all the other Ohio State assistant

7:43coaches, including up to and including Carlos Lockwood, who I won on my side in a fight against like Godzilla. I don't think that I'll mess with Joe Kim anytime soon. He is a bad looking dude, and he knows how to train people to beat you or you know what. So I think that's interesting. Larry Johnson has always talked a little bit through the years, and kind of kept it under wraps, but the guys who come through Larry Johnson's system talk about the toolbox and hand placement, and the hand drills that Ohio State does where it looks like they're just constantly hebachi-hansing a bag in pregame warm-ups. Now you add in a guy who's trained hand-to-hand combat, Joe Kim with Taekwondo. You match those two philosophies of how things are supposed to get done on the defensive line. I think you're looking at a very, very, very promising future here, because you'll have a state defensive line. Hey, look, if Joe Kim's only here for a year, that's a year that all these guys get to soak up that information that he knows. If Larry Johnson

8:47and Joe Kim were both only here for another year, because like Larry at any point could just say, hey, I think I'm done. That is still good for Ohio State. So you know, they've already got the Galpatrick in that room. Now you add Joe Kim into the mix. You've already got Larry Johnson. I think that is this, this staff is in a very, very strong spot right now. New Ohio State defensive line. That's good news for Jason Mitty. That's good news for John Walker, as they learn the ropes of Ohio State. That's great news for Andrew Kustin, for Kenyatta Jackson, Koi Rusal, Zon Grady, all right on down the line as our friend Tim May would say. I think the future of this defensive line, and that's why number one takeaway from the second week of spring is like, you're saying a defensive line that that is going to be good. And if you have any questions about that, I think that you can start to alleviate them. We still want to see it in a game. But I think you can start to alleviate some of those concerns. And we haven't even mentioned a guy like Zion Great. There's names on this defensive line. Carrey Wilder, like younger guys, we have not even

9:50mentioned yet, but Epi as well that could become factors for our Ohio State. And the other thing that I've we talked about is one of the first things we saw when they were coming off the practice we got on Thursday or standing there as a four of us and the whole beat kind of talking in on comes the Ohio State wide receiver room with Jeremiah Smith Brandon and Stephanie Q and all these guys walking over. But on the right side of it was Chris Henry Jr. What you missed one. Your eye I'm getting to it on the right side of the group was Chris Henry Jr. J. Quit jerk waiting Gailford and Brock Boyd all coming down the group together. And Spencer is stutely pointed out that we have not shared the picture yet. Maybe also the dispenser to be part of like the header for this thing. But it Spencer goes perhaps in a couple years that'll be the next rendition of the March the the Garrett Wilson Corsino LaVe like the Jackson Smith and Junge's picture because it was it was full of the young water seer talent. They were pretty hyped coming off the field. I think they're they're kind of getting the hang of things as he goes through these first couple days of practice with pads on. Yeah, we're going to talk to Cortez Hank on Saturday, which is exciting because I'm ready to get some info from him just on what what he

10:52thinks about this room. People I've talked to about this wide receiver room are absolutely thrilled. You couple that with the fact that Ryan Day said that it's the deepest receiver room they've had. You add in the fact that when asked whether they were going to continue play 12 and 13 personnel like he did in Pittsburgh Arthur Smith instead talked about how you can't get Jeremiah Smith the ball enough just like he did with Derek Henry. And he has to adapt to the personnel meaning if they need to be an 11 personnel all the time with only one title in the field they'll do it. The reports that I've gotten through week two tell me if you're an 11 personnel guy and you hated 12 and 13 from last year you might just get your wish because they love this receiver room. They're the rotation I would expect to be deeper than what Brian Hartland did and that's on a knock on Hartland obviously they did a fantastic job. The one thing about Hartland though is if you were in the three or four man group that was going to play you were the only three or four that were going to play. And I think Cortez Hankins philosophy is a little bit more toward if you're number six but you can play they will play you. And so

11:59it's exciting. Like I said I'm not going to say too much just because I'd love to talk to Hank in a little bit more about what he thinks but also get some vote of approval from Jeremiah Smith on some of these guys because Jeremiah has never been one to shy away from either tempering expectations and saying like oh yeah I think he's pretty good or saying like oh he's next he's up next you know so I'm excited to see what Jeremiah has to say about those guys as well but you know we couldn't have gone for more polar opposites here I guess we're just kind of rifling through some intel but like the things we're hearing about the defensive line and the receivers very very promising so far. And Spencer I know you had your full fledge of conversations throughout the week I've handled the first couple here what is the biggest thing you learn from this week because I know you've got a couple things as I break it stop you from giving your sneeze break. Yeah man this is just absolutely tough I don't know what's going on I hope it's like a 24 hour thing.

13:01Yeah it's interesting I have not going to how do I word this because everyone else was steering that hype train for Legend Bay any week one and I was pumping the brakes a little bit as you know not because I think the legends bad at all I just think that it's a little difficult for a guy like legend with at his size to make an impact as a freshman because I think what you don't have in size you've got to make up and speed of the game and strength. I think I'm ready to to ease off that break a little bit I'm not going to go full steam ahead of like true freshman all-American Malachi Tony impacting year one but I will say like there are people at Ohio State who are even coming around now from people we talked to who are now coming around to the idea that like yeah you're probably not going to be able to keep him off the field during his freshman season. And so if we're saying that you know

14:04four practices in five practices in the spring I think it's actually time to take your foot off the break a little bit maybe not hit that accelerator but just understand that like this is a you know I'm monitoring the situation as the boys would say I'm ready to to give that a little bit more respect that he could be like hey he's going to be on the field against ball state on the fifth on September 5th. And the other key part of that is Arthur Smith comes from the NFL where he worked with a ton of different players and I think that's poppin the NFL is just having these roles or these these specifically like specified things that players can do best and kind of utilizing them in that way. I don't know if Legend Bay is going to walk into the season next year in August and have a defined role on what he's going to like a defined starting spot or anything but he's going to have a role or a package or different ways that Ohio State knows if he can impact the game and they're going to let him do it probably from game one against ball state and kind of to see how that rolls out. So I think we'll see a decent dose of Legend Bay obviously it's what

15:05we're months away I think it's going to very well so happen. But I'd imagine we'd see a decent amount of number two against the ball state cardinals when the season opens up. Yeah I mean look like here's the reason that I was pumping the brakes the entire time. Will or will geesh. Bo Jackson and Isaiah West are not on the practice field right now. Is Legend Bay going to have such a spring that he takes over for those two? Like straight up no. Just no. Bo and Isaiah are A too good and B too respected for them to just completely hand their carries entirely to a freshman. And from what we've seen so far Legend's not doing a lot of receiver. He can do all of that but right now he's playing running back. So like and also he's not more reliable from what we know so far than Brandon and his and he's not as good as Jeremiah Smith I'm sorry to say that. So you know like is he going to start I don't think so.

16:07So like that's why I'm kind of pumping the brakes there a little bit it's just like the math doesn't math you can only have 11 on the field. And there are other guys on this roster who I think can play you know similar roles to Legend. But like if Arthur Smith says he's going to get the best guys on the field and he's going to cater to his personnel like there's going to be a package I think for Legend in the spring game. So if there's a package for him in the spring game that means that they're already working on some stuff that they could do for him in the fall. So you know I'm ready I'm ready to say that. It kind of coincides with the buzz that we hear about Jacobi Jackson. That guy is just huge. I get it. Justice Haynes was out there and Ohio State fans wanted to Ohio State to pay $2 million for Justice Haynes. He's a great player. He really is. I don't think that's what Ohio State needed. They could have probably they they wanted him. Everybody wanted him. He's a really good player. You know if he didn't get hurt I think Michigan has a better chance to go to Ohio State last year and I think he might be the reigning Doke Walker Award winner like he

17:11he was really good in his first eight games or whatever before he got hurt full stop. But like based on what they had returning with Isaiah West and Bo Jackson based on what they brought in with Legend Bay. What did they need? And I think they're even seeing on the practice field now through two weeks that Jacobi Jackson is kind of what they needed. You know is he flashy? No. Is he going to fall forward when you need to? Absolutely. He's a really big kid and I think he's a little bit more athletic. Just from when we talked about this what last week or two weeks ago just from playing running back more than CJ Donaldson because CJ Donaldson started his career as a titan and a receiver. And so oh no I talked about just on the rooster show with Austin and Burman. I made a celebrity guest appearance on there. I'm not so not so celebrity. Yes. Guest guest is doing some heavy lifting on that celebrity is just like hanging on my thread. Yeah I'm not a celebrity full full transparency. I say as I blow my nose on camera again.

18:15But I talked about this with those guys like CJ Donaldson played tight end and wide receiver at the start of his career. You know Jacobi Jackson will play a running back his entire life. So you know I just think that naturally he's more of a running back. And so naturally I think he can get a couple yards in short yardage when Ohio State's going to need it because I still don't think Bo and Isaiah are going to be short yardage darlings. But yeah I think that legend fits in and I think Jacobi Jackson fits into the equation here. And I'm kind of ready to say that now. I'm not going to dog anybody. Not what I'm here to do. I got asked on the board on Thursday when I did a asking you about any player. It's one of my favorite things I do on the letter of a large message board which you can get for a dollar or it's 50% off for a full year right now. It seems better than the dollar deal. Where does that leave turbo Rogers? I don't know. I really don't know. I think it's a crowded room. I think it gets even more crowded in 2027. I don't know where that

19:20leaves him. But he's going to have to have a gargantuan rest of the spring to make an impact. Those are kind of some thoughts. What else do you want? Who else are you here and about? We both talked to quite a few people on Wednesday at pro day when they were just kind of lurking around the building. Anything else that you heard that maybe peak your interest? I'm going to keep it on the freshman for a minute because we just talked about Legend Bay. I haven't heard a ton of out of my no-burners. I've heard a ton of positive things about him. He wrote about him this week when we're from highlighted six freshmen kind of three on offense around defense. But Nick Lauder is going to be a player for Ohio State at some point. I don't know whether that's this year or for that's in two years. I'm going to take some more time. But the freshman tied in from Levin in Ohio. He was when he walked off the field on Tuesday. He looked like a giant. I talked to him on Thursday. He said he was added about an inch or so maybe a little bit more height-wise since we saw him coming down the tunnel during the recruiting process this last fall. He's added about 20 pounds. He's like six six 240 already as a freshman. He's massive and I just we don't need to put the full gas like the Legend Bay gas and like that into that one yet.

20:23But I think that's somebody that Ohio State fans should be excited about being a player for the buck guys down the line. I agree. We're talking to people. We talk to different people. We talk to similar people. I agree. I think he's a player to know a name to know where I don't even know what number he is right now. Is it 89? 89 correct. If you see 89 jog out on the field at some point in the middle of October in the second quarter and you say like is that Wilkes Merrick? No, Wilkes Merrick's playing for the you know whatever NFL team right now. No, that's Nick Lawner. That's a freshman. I wouldn't be surprised. I think tight ends in an interesting spot right now. Nate Roberts, I think is a clear cut guy. Bennett Christians out for the spring. Hunter Weltsy and Mason Williams are working their way into everything and trying to get there. But you know just like as Merrick at the beginning is Ohio State career. It takes a little bit for a back from Ohio to get up the speed in Ohio State. As Merrick did that I think a little quicker than Mason Williams

21:25has so far. That doesn't mean Mason Williams can't. I think he's got to get a lot stronger in the summer. Like a lot stronger in the summer from people that I've heard. Like in the weight room is where he's going to need to to to make his hey before August. And then Weltsy is just kind of a a wily little veteran that you kind of you kind of like to have a guy like that in the room. I don't know what kind of impact he's going to have but he's good to have in the room. That leaves a spot in this spring for Nick Lawner to say like hey just because I'm a freshman doesn't mean and then another guy is like you know we're in there the first day of spring practice. They come off the practice field. Who's the tight end that Ryan Day shouts out? Max LaBlock. So like I think this tight end would remind me the most meeting potatoes that it's been you know like an NFL team next month is going to make him have a draft and it's going to be like the Carolina Panthers or something. They're going to go like offensive line in the first round defensive line in the second round linebacker in the third. They'll take a fourth round flyer on a receiver and then it'll take like a tight end in the fifth round. And you know somebody

22:28like a Daniel Jeremiah or a Jordan reader to his fans going to come on the the set after the draft this was a very meeting potatoes draft for those guys like they're just you know beef and not very sexy you know they just kind of got some positions filled that's why I feel about this tight end room this year Nate Roberts might turn into that and if he does I won't be surprised but the things I'm hearing about this tight end room is it's very like very meeting potatoes. It's what you need but it's not going to be like super sexy and I think that's okay what you have the receiving group and the running band group that Ohio State has in its offense do you think that's fair for some of the things that you've been hearing so far. I'm totally lying there on that yeah I think the depth of this tight end room will show an impact Ohio State some next season because they have a lot of guys there. All right so I got to tell you about two things Mick we got to tell you about two things then we'll give one final takeaway and then we'll get the heck out here. First things first you guys have heard me talk about them for years now I'm not going to shy away from talking about now especially in the spring. Got a text on my phone the other day came across my

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27:46that's all you can ask for all right one parting thought from Ohio State camp um instead of writing some intel uh like I said over on the Letterman Lounge message board I had our board members dictate what intel I told um in which I said pick and any player on the roster and ask me about him if I've heard about them in the first two weeks I will tell you what I've heard I think that's pretty fair it also allows me to get a little bit more descriptive than maybe some general intel general intel um that I have been hearing so I was able to kind of drill out on some players um so Mick what what if what is your last little bit that you want your parting thought from the second week of Ohio State camp I've unloaded the clip like I said I I'm just looking forward to Saturday when we get to talk to scorches anything because I think we've heard positive things about all three year I guess there's more the top three the Chris Henry Jr's Quaid Guilford and Brockwood like three true fresh wonders you would think we've heard positive things from sources I want to hear something

28:49on the record about those three so that's I guess more than anything that's my preview of what I would like to hear on Saturday when we talked to Cortez Hangen and Jeremiah Smith so if you've been this is my parting thought if you've been with us for 25 minutes now and you've stuck through my nasally voice everyone is asking about the offensive line right now so if you're at the end of this video you're going to get a little bit of offensive line and tidbit that I heard when Ian Moore is good it's really really good okay it's what I've heard when when somebody told me that Ian Moore's best has been really really good I think the thing that Ohio State wants to see from him right now and I'm going to ask Ryan Day about this when we talked our end day next week the thing that Ohio State wants to see right now more than anything is consistency play to play down to down day to day come in be that good every day if he is like Luke Montgomery told us he could be a first round pick I mean he's got the size he's got the shape he's got the like the legs that the NFL will fall in

29:54love with in the NFL he's got the he's got the backside that the NFL is going to like in the NFL like everything that you want to tackle like he can be that um he's really really strong he works really hard it's just like consistently bringing his best of the practice field I think if he can do that I think you'll see him make a push in the offensive line if he doesn't then you're going to know that by not seeing him out on the field much so that's not um me being told to like challenge Ian through the media or anything it's just kind of what up here so I hope that if you if you stuck around with us this long you kind of paid off at the end because like everybody's been asking about him he was really good against Miami in the second half people agree with that that I talk to he had a nice day against Purdue when he started in that game um I think there's just a little bit of consistency that they want to see from him uh moving forward uh here's the Luke Montgomery quote on Ian Moore this week we haven't really ever talked about it skyse limit for him well I'll think it'll be a first round first rounder by the time he's done here so Luke Montgomery like others around the Ohio State program pulling no punches like taking no time to throw praise on Ian Moore so hopefully we get to see more of it in the spring game see a little approval

30:57there we go still prove Luke Montgomery this show I think is Luke Montgomery approval want to find out uh that's Mick Walker on the other side of your screen I'm Spencer homework we're just trying to Luke Montgomery's approval guys it's it's not really I don't you know uh I think we got Mike shout out Mike Montgomery yeah exactly make sure Mike listens to the show mix and it over to him we'll talk to him we'll talk about it uh and then if you uh if you get the opportunity ask Adam King why he only played 11 holds a golf and said 18 from there that's all we got that's Mick Walker on the other side of your screen I'm just Spencer Hope business in Ohio State Intel show hopefully you learned something if you want to learn more there's there's plenty of coverage of our letterman row dot com berm and Austin both broke down some buckais who were making noise this past week uh AG house glutton has five buckais who could commit after this weekend's visits mix got a ton of recruiting stuff including some intel on uh David gave her a Georgia just number one off uh offensive target on the Ohio State board point blank period in the class of 2027 nobody gets interviews with David Mick happened to get one with David you can go check that out at letterman row dot com and then myself I did like I said that board intel that that we've been talking about all all episode here um if you want more of

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