OLEKSANDR USYK TO DEFEND HIS WBC TITLE IN GIZA?!

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Join me in the studio this week was the one and only former WBO Cruiserweight Champion

of the world, Johnny Nelson.

Johnny and I began this week by talking about the seismic news in boxing this week with

the revelation that Queen's Brie could be suing seller and TKO for a billion pounds based

on contractual allegations.

We also spoke about Conor Ben leaving Matroom and Eddie Herne in a shock move to earn

$15 million for fighting for Zoo for boxing later in the week.

The discovery that he's going to be fighting we just pro-gray on the undercard of Tyson

Fury and ask Lambeck Matmudov on April 11th.

Johnny and I chew the fat over it.

Johnny, first of all, let's start this week with how you're feeling and how you feel about

this momentous week in boxing.

Can you remember a week like this with so many issues in the sport?

What a week of boxing in and out of the ring.

I think the public, the one thing about social media is the public are able to follow the

argument, follow the story, get involved, get emotionally attached, pick a side and

have a debate.

So, I'm trying to think where do we start with?

I'll start for you.

I've got a running order.

We didn't have a running order back in those days, we just winged it, baby.

We did wing it, but we know what we're talking about.

We know what we're looking at and I think that's a really important thing about tonight

and when we talk about the issues, we always say in boxing say what you see not

what they're telling you to see and first of all, let's start with this topic.

Alexander Usik announced yesterday, Alexander Usik will defend his WBC World Boxing Council

heavyweight title against Rico Verhoen on May 23rd.

Now, I've known Rico a long time, I've been to some of his fights, he's an incredible

champion in kickboxing, he's reigned supreme for about 10 or 12 years, undefeated, he's

a brilliant fighter, very famous figure in Holland, sparred famously behind the scenes

with Tyson Fury, there was talk of them fighting at one point, but the big thing here

is when they fight in the pyramids of Giza, the big question I've got to ask you is, would

you have accepted someone from kickboxing fighting you for your world title while you were

holding it with him never having competed at that level?

You've got to look at Alexander, what he's done, he's whacked the floor with everybody,

he's established himself at the top there.

So now you look at him and you'll link financially, will he be in a better position than Tyson

Fury?

No, not in my opinion.

Anthony Joshua, no, not in my opinion, the big money fights aren't out there for him,

so he's got to do something, he's got to put himself in position where he's got a word

because he's proved he's top draw.

So in this fight here, I think it creates interest, intrigue, I'm quite sure there's a healthy

pay packet at the end of it, this is now business for him, this is now because he's thinking

I've proved it all to you, so I've got to make as much as I can, because remember the

talk was Deonté Wilder for a short while because he wants to get all the scalps, he wants

to look at the biggest names out there with the least amount of risk and you can't blame

him.

Deonté Wilder was definitely a legacy.

Yeah, of course, but the guy who'd had whatever it was, 10 or 11 defense of the WBC title

who'd been a former champion, who'd been in a very well-published sized trilogy with

Tyson Fury, he'd been at the top of the sport, the most dangerous, statistically most dangerous

punching heavyweight in the history of the heavyweight division, but this is a guy who's

never boxed.

No, Tyson Fury did it against Arleith Donet.

I'll be against Anthony and O.K.

Yeah, Tyson Fury did it against the big man Francis and Garnoux, so why shouldn't he

create that interest tree, that entry, get people talking about him and get himself

out there?

Why not?

Why wouldn't he?

He's got nothing else to prove now.

Now I agree with all of that, but I'm coming to the cusp of this, the crux of this

role, that 23rd of May, the Pyramid of Giza, there'll be a massive crowd, it'll be sold

really brilliantly, it is, this is the key for me, this is the key question, and this

is where I depart from it, being fine with Olexandrucic having the fight.

It's sponsored, promoted by Ring Magazine, by Sella, it'd be on the zone.

You know where the roles are leading, don't you?

But, yes, we're going to come onto that in a big way, but it's the World Boxing Council

title on the line, now the big question is, we can't dispute that Olexandrucic.

Or to have a great fight, somewhere amazing, first time in the Giza Pyramids, heavyweight

title, but should the World Boxing Council, should Mauricio Pseulamon have allowed that

belt to be on the line?

In my view, he shouldn't have been, and are we seeing the WWE see being bought out here

again, and is that going to lead them to being snookered?

In my view, it snookers them because they're giving up their belt for payment again.

This is just my opinion, so don't try and sue me, whatever.

I do think, slowly, a bit sure, everybody's looking at the money that Take L Shake's brought

into the game.

They're all trying to think of the best move because I'm quite sure they'll put an amazing

packet there to say, well, why not?

And so Sella and Mauricio will be thinking, you know what, I'm better jump before we're

pushing, we're out on the outside looking in.

I agree with you, I think he's looking forward to thinking, I've got to do with this

while I've got a choice, but I think he's being cajoled, he's been slowly but surely dragged

into it, dragged into that temptation to think, right, stay away from the light, son, that's

exactly what he's doing, and once he moves in there, I think then he's compromising himself

because Turkish intention, and he's always said his intention, to rule our game, I met him

a year ago in Night's Bridge, and we're in this hotel suite, and he had a big screen

on all the screen, he was watching Pops, and he's like a man-child, and he's talking about

his dream or what he wants to do, or a maverick dream, he's talking about his dream, all

the things he wanted to do when he sat there, and even then he said, Eddie, Frank, I'm going

to take over from them, they'll be out the game, I'm like, this was back then.

So when I'm here in all this story now, you look at the situation, Frank's taken into

court, Eddie's, he's in but he's not into that, Eddie's in but he's not in, so what's happening

with the WBC, they're all seeing, we need to play ball here while we can, to see if we

get on the right side of him, are they all right with this?

Are they being played ball with, that's the big question for me, here's the thing, I've

no issue with the event, I have no issue with the fight, but it's ludicrous that the WBC

title is on the line, Sonny Liston, here's the champions of hell, the WBC heavyweight

title in line, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Larry

Holmes, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, Vladimir, no, it was some Vitaly

Klitschko, Deonto World, the Tyson Fury now, Alexander Eussick, if for any reason, I

tell you, the one thing they've got right, the one thing, the one thing they've got right

is they recognize that all this annusick is the best heavyweight in the world.

I think we all recognize, right, so in regards to what belt everybody else has got,

it doesn't need to be for something, so they're saying, no, no, we're sticking with

the champion, we're sticking with the champ because he's the man, and that's what they're

doing, they're sticking with the man that they recognize are the best heavyweight fighter

in the world.

Yeah, but, but don't recognize Rico Gohan in that same breath, create a different belt,

create a belt that brings this too many belts around.

No, no, I mean, for this one-off fight, I don't agree, the WBC, I agree with the event,

I agree with monumental matchmaking being made in terms of the greatest kickboxer ever

against one of the greatest heavyweight in history, I rank him about number seven as the

great heavyweights in history, I've done a list on it, for me, Lennox Lewis is the greatest

believe it or not, Mohammed Ali is in the top four, George is in the top big George,

but I don't imagine, as we saw with Francis and Garnigan, Tyson Fury, where, where Tyson

Fury got kind of embarrassed in that fight, he hadn't prepared for the guy, and he was dropped

in the third round, yes.

He was overlocked, like we're all overlocked him.

If Usik overlooks Rico Gohan, who's a dangerous fighter, what, does it, how does it reflect

on boxing?

It becomes the Wild West.

Well, it becomes the Wild West, but in all honesty, do you honestly think that the Usik

is the same, of the same mental capacity of Tyson Fury, so it's a 99% to 1% that he wins

the fight.

Without a doubt, so for him to make a Tyson Fury mistake, which we all, you hear the

rumors of preparation for it, is this guy proved that I'm a different color fish, that's

not me.

I'm a different gravy.

That's probably more than likely not going down, well, as they say, one point changes everything,

but I think this is a business move more than a show move.

We're going to get into Frank Warren, Eddie Herne, Turkey L-Shake, Dana White, Salah,

Zufa boxing next, but as Usik said, I truly respect people who reach the very top in their

sports.

Rico is one of them, a powerful athlete and a great champion.

He's truly the king of kickboxing, being a champion isn't just about belts.

I'm ready and looking forward to meeting him in the ring.

It's going to be a unique experience for both of us.

A big night is coming.

The heavyweight title fight, aptly named Glory in Giza, will be the first ever to feature

in Egypt.

We were then joined in the studio by Bilal Fawaz, the British super welterweight champion

who's stateless, who's lived in the UK for nearly a quarter of a century, but still doesn't

have a British passport, in spite of his sons and his partner all holding that passport

which allows them to travel abroad.

He is a man trapped inside the country, he has lived in and represented as an amateur

for a very, very long time.

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You know when you work in a workplace and you know at the end of the day you're going

to get paid.

You're going to get paid check, right?

You know, you know that paycheck is a comment.

You just haven't reached that date yet.

That's how I felt based on how much work ethics I've put into the game and I knew I was going

to get the belt.

There's no play about it.

I had you on it as a guest on my podcast and you were so confident, had so much self-belief.

Then I have your ishman on after that and I thought, I saw you're a smart thinker.

You think outside the box and that's very good to be able to do.

One of the few fights that can think in a fight and change tactics in a fight.

So when it came to this fight, you get sishman and I thought, you've outfoxed him, I

haven't moved him again.

It was just brains and that's got to be a mirror of life, how life's been for you inside

and outside the ring.

I've been tortured, I've been tormented, I've been put and tested.

So no one can test me more than the way life has tested me.

You always say that, don't you, Bill Al, that your biggest test is outside the ring rather

than inside it.

Let me just go.

If you're listening tonight, please, please stay with us because Bill Al for white is

a very special person.

Both these men are, in fact, because we're going to come to immigration issues that both

of you have had because Johnny told me about his brother a little while ago, we'll come

to that tonight in this as well.

Wow.

Bill Al was born of a mother who was an immigrant in tonight year from Benin.

His dad was Lebanese, they've both passed away, full disclosure, I spent yesterday morning

with Bill Al as well at home and met his two beautiful sons and his partner.

They've all got British passports.

All of them.

All of them, your wife and your two beautiful young sons, they've got passports, British

passports.

You were child trafficked here and you came here at 14, you ran away, you looked after

yourself, you're an extraordinary human being, you're 30 nearly 38 years young and as Johnny

just rightfully said, in the ring, you are an incredible survivor and an erudite fighter.

Those two fights, by the way, Johnny Gainst, Jean-Aid Boston showed, he's a young stud as well,

isn't he?

The draw on the win showed just what Bill Al is.

Bill Al, are you able to fully celebrate, I need to explain that background for people

listening that don't know you, are you able to fully celebrate being British and Commonwealth

champion?

I think you haven't got your passport.

I think you know the answer, right?

No, come on, tell us.

It's like you having a birthday and they give you half a cake.

And why are you laughing, why are you laughing, why are you laughing, why are you laughing?

I'm telling you right, I can't really, really celebrate because there is something fundamentally

missing and that is the thing that makes me grounded, that makes me say, this is my home,

I can die here.

I'm settled, I'm creating my legacy, I have a family, I have a sons, I am building something

that I know that it's secure, I don't have that fundamental belief, but I have all the

things that everybody wants, which is the British Commonwealth and I can't do nothing about

it.

But you don't have that feeling, you're a proud British man, you are didn't mention,

you represented England as captain of the amateur team as well, you didn't get a chance

to go to Olympic Games that you want to do, one of them going to be in London 2012.

That's right.

And 2016.

And 2016.

And that feeling, and we went over this a lot yesterday and I was very moved by it, so

it was my camera man Brody and you were very moved at the time and we had to stop for

a moment while we were filming and making a documentary that's coming out shortly.

You don't feel like you are British but you don't feel that sense of belonging and you

need that in your heart.

I get all the praise that I belong here because people show me love.

But the most important thing is for the government to show me that I am part of the team when

I don't get that.

Where are you now?

Where are you now in regards to your citizenship?

I'm on a 10 year route to settlement.

I have a 10 year route I've been here since, for 24 years, but they still gave me a 10

year route to settlement.

Why didn't they take that 10 years out of the 24 years and grant me an indefinite leave.

So I've spent six years now.

I have four more years plus one more year through the indefinite and I'm not a year to acquire

the citizenship.

So I have about six, seven more years.

By the time that gets to the point where I have the passport and I can travel, my career

is down the drain.

Johnny, we're going to wait.

We're going to try and change that.

Will I spoke in depth yesterday to your human rights lawyer, a partner at Dayton Pearson

Glenn?

What's his name?

Ahmed Aideed.

And we can hear him now because he spoke to me earlier on.

We can hear him.

We can hear him.

Bilal is a child survivor of trafficking.

He was trafficked to the UK and forced into domestic servitude as a child.

When he finally escaped, the authorities took him into care, but they never apprehended

his traffickers and the people that abused him.

I don't even think they tried.

They also never applied to regularize his immigration status in the UK.

That was the responsibility of the local authority at the time who were acting as his appropriate

adult and the factor of parents as Bilal was an orphan.

Bilal was then the victim of the hostile immigration environment when he became an adult.

And he was denied the immigration status and protection he was entitled to.

Well there you go.

Yeah, Ahmed Aideed and he's absolutely stoked.

We're going to get this moving for you.

We pledged here on talk sports several weeks ago when you came on the show.

We pledged that we will do everything possible for you to get your messages out there.

Shabbana Mahmoud, the home secretary, we want a message for her tonight from all of us.

What would you say if you had her on the line right now?

I would say, sure bit of sympathy, you know, a bit of humanity because you can see that

I'm not asking for something that would allow me to go and claim benefit.

I'm asking for something that would allow me to go and prove to the world that I will

make great Britain proud.

I am the domestic champion.

There is nobody in the country that has what I have.

And the only place that I can go after this, it's world.

And the point being that you do not have the right at the moment, even though you have

right of remain to stay, which Mr. I did got for you a few years ago, and he's going

to push the case now.

If you've got a world title opportunity abroad right now, you've got no way of leaving the

country.

You're incarcerated in the country.

I am incarcerated, like I am in prison.

I'm on a leash and there is help, there is a limit to how far I can go because I can't

leave the border, but I can't travel out of the border.

I need to travel out of the border to fulfill my potential and the thing is right.

I am 30, 80 years old.

I don't have time and I'm proving everyone wrong.

Look, I am the British and Commonwealth champion and I've only done pro three years ago.

It's unusual.

No one will fight me.

I'm a double champion.

I have the English, I have the British, I have the Southern area and so many needs to

challenge me for it, because they know I'm dangerous and the only person that can actually

step up and challenge me are people that are outside the country.

They even try to deport you a couple of times and put you into deportation centres,

didn't they?

Yes, they did.

They had the plan that they want to take me away and deport me to Nigeria, where you

were born, where your mum was an immigrant from Benin, where your dad was 11 years and

they're both passed away.

And I try to acquire a passport from Nigeria and Embassy, they said, you're not a Nigerian.

We don't have record of you, you don't look like a Nigerian, your hair doesn't belong

to Nigeria.

So they said to you, I don't look like them, I'm not a Nigerian.

And I took that letter to the home office, they disregarded it and then they locked me

up.

After representing the country and captain England and out of those six countries that I

fought against, after while represented England, one of them was against Nigeria.

Wow.

Ironically.

I know.

So I fought for England against Nigeria, but then England decided they wanted to deport

me to Nigeria and I never lost, by the way.

I don't want to say that you are an isolated case because you're not.

There's lots of situations like this, when we were filming with you yesterday, there was

a girl in the cafe, said she'd come from Poland here 17 years ago and she was still waiting

for her passport.

Johnny's got a story about, I remember talking to Johnny, he was desperately upset about

this couple of years ago, when the wind rush immigrants into the UK retrospectively, their

passports and their right to stay and what you're saying is looking to him.

Tell us the story about your brother, what's he now, 75 years old, 76 years old, he came

here when he was 16 years old from Jamaica, never climbed a penny off the state and he's

got really bad eyesight.

He's albino, so he's eyesight's terrible.

The one who's a classmate is disabled, he's like, I'm not disabled, you just wouldn't,

suddenly wouldn't have it.

You wouldn't have it.

No, I'm not disabled.

It worked on the market, it stalled everything, refused, never been enthroned by the police.

So he said, no, I'm not doing it in London, I think, Dan and Brixton, they'll know him

is yellow man.

So they'll think, oh, I know that yellow man, that's my brother.

He's got the yellow man.

Yeah, he's nicknames him.

He roots for a good.

Yeah, yeah.

So that was his nickname, yellow man.

So he got a letter and he's pretty cool, Tasslem, you got a letter about two or three

years ago to say that they were going to send him back to Jamaica and he's like, I've

not been there.

I've not been.

Well, where they're going to sit?

I've been here, like, 60, 70, 50, 60 years.

And so he was like laughing off us of Tasslem, you've got to be serious about it because

once you're in a one of those deportation camps, you're gone.

He's not coming back.

He said, where they're going to send me to because he's been in this country most of his

life.

60 years.

60 and the rest.

So then he, Dan, I thought, and we all understood how insious it was and I, I think it was treason

me was in charge at the time and I, I tweeted her, put it on Twitter to tell the stock part

of the story.

This is my brother.

This is what you're doing.

Dan talked to the right.

And what you guys do, this guy's never claimed off the state.

He's been here.

All of his life.

He's got three, two daughters here.

And so all of a sudden, I've heard there was a call to sky trying to get hold of my brother

because my brother's second name isn't the same as mine.

He's, he's muslim.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, so they couldn't find this guy.

They wanted to shut this up.

Now I had a voice.

What happened to my brother was happening to many, many, many, many folks.

Nobody could talk about it.

But nobody could talk about it.

He could talk about it.

So all of a sudden, my brother's case disappeared.

He got sorted out.

I was fortunate because I shone a lot on it, but there were many other families that I've,

I've been through the hellfire and back again because the left hand wasn't talking to

the right hand.

Common sense didn't prevail.

And so I want to hear your story.

Common sense is not kicking in.

It's not prevailing, which is, which to me, it's sad, but it's dangerous.

It is dangerous.

People's life, just one department is making a decision that the other department doesn't

know about, but all of them are off the same department.

That ruins and take 10 minutes.

Are you, are you, are you still scared?

Are you still, you've got your two points here.

You've got your wafer.

Are you still scared that you could get snatched up?

No, it's got room right to remain.

The thing about football, because the left hand's not told the right hand change.

Yeah, they can't change that because I have right to remain.

And the thing is right, no matter what they try to do, they can't deport me to any country

because I'm staying.

No, but what you don't have is the right to leave and come back.

And that's what he needs now to complete the round.

I spoke to a very helpful woman on Friday, Thursday night.

What's her name?

Zaguna Kaga.

Where's she from?

From the home office.

Really?

And obviously, I got a verbal response.

And then I got a written response, they, as you know, because you've been through this

so many times, as your lawyer will have been, they do not routinely comment on individual

cases, but I got extreme sympathy from her.

And there is great optimism, both from what I've been hearing and from your lawyer as

well, that we will be able to force this issue and try and find a stay of execution for

you and not have to wait because you're only one year into that 10 year process, I understand.

No, no, I'm six years.

Six years.

Are you six years in?

The four.

So we want you to be able to get your British passport, your, or your, or your biometric

travel card, whatever you can get any, any kind of ID cards that can travel and work.

Exactly.

To travel and work.

If I was to put someone that haven't made any progression in the country and I still

need to fight, fight my way up, then yes, I wouldn't bother myself.

But the thing is, there is no more way up at the point that I am.

I am the commonwealth and the British and the English champion at the same time.

Would you beat Josh Kelly right now because he holds one of the one, five, four belts?

Well, I can tell you, Ishmael Davis that I toyed with easily.

You can see I won that fight easily, right?

Now, Josh Kelly had a hard time with, like Madali of, not Max.

Ishmael Davis.

Ishmael Davis.

Exactly.

He's just won the world title, but when Ishmael Davis fought Josh Kelly, Josh Kelly had

a hard time with Ishmael Davis, Ishmael Davis even caught Josh Kelly by the eye.

And the fight was, you know, speculations.

Nice.

It was a good fight.

But look what I did to Ishmael Davis.

That shows that I can tell you you put me in a ring and nobody knows what I don't even

know what I'm capable of, but I know that I am a titan.

I am a problem.

I am a threat to anyone that is in a ring because you have two hands.

I have two hands.

The only thing that differentiated is the level of our IQ and thinking process and how

to set traps.

I said 10 traps at the same time.

So the only way you could box a European title is if you, the champion came here and you

wouldn't be able to defend it.

If somebody won the Perth spits in another country in another country, here's my thing as

we finish off here.

I am in trouble.

I meant background murders, Ali, obviously.

Josh Kelly won the title of him.

I think you should be giving a message to Eddie, her and Frank Smith tonight as well.

Well, I want to say thank you for giving me the opportunity to better myself and my family.

That right there is the very important message because no one else gave it to me.

Thank you, Eddie.

Thank you, Matrum.

Thank you, Frank Smith.

And I think that they will change my life.

And now that I am the champion of all the belts, they will take care of me because I'm

next to the new face of Matrum.

What they could do.

However, if you can't travel to win the World Cup, they can make me fight Josh Kelly.

They can make you fight Josh Kelly.

Oh, they can get Zandasias or Sebastian Fondora over here.

Well, what am I going to fight them for?

They have no belts.

No, they have got the belts at the moment.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They come here with the belt.

They come here with the belts.

But in the meantime, we have got a message for Shabbana Mahmoud, the home secretary, which

is we need you to look on one of our own here from our community who's given everything

for his country, wanted to be in the Olympics.

He needs his case looking at, it needs to go from the bottom of the pile to the top of

the pile.

We need some assistance to get a British hero into the position that he can travel the

world and show what he has learnt under the British Boxing System, shown his resilience,

his abilities, his capabilities.

That's a neck off.

Got it.

I have the opportunity.

Tell them.

Tell them.

Well, but it's true.

I mean, it needs to be honest.

We're seeing it.

But it needs to be heard.

This is a miscarriage of justice.

This is an injustice.

This is a young man who was child traffic to this country.

It's an open case.

It's an obvious case and, you know, I almost want to implore the universe to get your decision

and get it soon.

I really do.

And the finish right, I just want to take my family, my two sons and my partner on holiday.

I've never been on holiday.

Take them to Vegas and win the world title there.

Oh, that could be a double vacation.

Until then, I think Skegnessy's very much like Vegas.

Yeah.

You deserve the whole cake, not half of it.

You deserve the whole cake and get to eat it.

I put you said that.

I get to eat it.

Yes.

I really do.

And I just think, look, the thing is right.

I can never be taken anywhere else because I don't have a country.

I don't have a passport.

I will inevitably get it.

The only problem and the only dilemma and the only crucifixion that's crucifying my

emotions is that I don't have time.

So 38 years old, 38 years old?

37 years old.

37 years old.

38 in about two months.

Yeah.

And then, and unfortunately, you know, if the world all of a sudden does open up for it

because of the technicality, you know, it's his career will stop right there.

I enjoy the documentary that I'm filmed with Joseph Brody myself last week, with Bill

Al, I'll be out next week.

Well, what an extraordinary story Bill Al for was is, and we wish him all the best in

expediting his British passport as soon as possible.

He surely deserves it.

You've been listening to the Fight Night podcast on Torxport with me, thanks to all my guests

tonight and Johnny Nelson for joining me in the studio.

We will see you next time, but remember, the Boxing YouTube channel, the shows in mid-week,

the Saturday show, myself and Adiola Depot on a Tuesday, we've got it all happening

for you here in the Boxing World, in the MMA world on Torxport.

Okay, seven stops to write this best man's speech.

Hi, I'm Liam, and I've got nothing.

Start funny.

Funny is good.

He'd never forgive me.

What about friendship is a journey?

Crank.

Come on.

That's it.

In year five, Dan had the bright idea, cracking the best, best man's speech on the train

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