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Pierre McGuire joins me now.

Pierre, before we get into everything with George Parros, and I do want to ask you, Pierre,

about Nathan McKinnon, you know, you did the pregame last night for the Penguins and the

Colorado Avalanche butts.

Give us like a hot 60 on a player by the name of Molly Boyle.

Give us a hot 60.

Why we should know the name Molly Boyle.

Because she's just an outstanding defense person that plays at Yale University.

Her coach's name is Mark Bolding, who's a person out of Red Deer, Alberta, longtime NCAA

women's coach, coach at Norwich University as well.

Molly Boyle has brain power, Molly Boyle has slick with the puck, Molly Boyle can change

a game.

Molly Boyle helped the engineer a huge upset over Minnesota, Duluth the other night scoring

the only goal and one nothing win.

Eventually they lost in the NCAA tournament, but nonetheless, Molly Boyle is a real deal

and for the next Olympic sequence in cycle, she will be a prominent name for USA Hogg.

She's really good, really, really good.

Molly, where's she from?

Situant Massachusetts.

She went to Phillips and over, and then she matriculated to the great Yale University,

and she just completed or she's about to complete her first year at Yale.

Excellent.

All right, Molly Boyle, we will circle that one very much.

Okay.

The news of the day, and we'll get the court board up.

This is George Paros, the head of the Department of Player Safety.

Slings and arrows, ever since the suspension for the knee on Austin Matthews of Radco

Goudus, and today at the General Manager's meeting, George Paros responded.

Zach, if we can fire that one up and have a look at what George Paros said here, essentially

defending his department, the D.O.P.S.

Zach, if we, there we go, the D.O.P.S. responding quote, we sweat over these decisions

and pour over these decisions every night, all season long.

We have a process in place that's consistent, and we have a team that works for me, and

together with me, that evaluates all these plays, a very experienced team, a veteran

team, guys that have been there since the beginning of the department, not to mention

all the former players that have a large set of experiences, playing NHL games and accolades.

Some of the best guys that have played the game, worked for the department, helped to

make decisions, so our process, I feel very confident in, we've got great guys who make

these decisions, and I think the players should be confident in this team to do so.

Now a lot of this is in response to, and I'll end it on this one, and get your thoughts,

Conor McDavid commenting on the process.

Now he did compliment the D.O.P.S., they have a hard job, et cetera, but when everybody

I'm paraphrasing Conor here, but when everybody is complaining about every suspension, maybe

we should have a closer look at it.

This place my brain went was, maybe you should call the executive director of the players

association, or they just went through a whole negotiating period with the NHL, and if

you want to look at the D.O.P.S., they can solve all this stuff in there, how these things

are called, but nonetheless, I submit the floor to you, where are we at right now in

Pierre McGuire's head about the D.O.P.S.

I do think they do a lot of good work, I think it's a thankless job, I think it's almost

an impossible job, quite frankly, it's gotten better over time as well, I think George's

worked diligently at it, I've had some discussions with him at different events over the course

of time, I think he's really intelligent, he's very passionate about the game, he obviously

played at a high level, he had a unique role as a player at a high level, so he understands

the trials and tribulations being a physical force in a game that wants to celebrate more

skill than it does the physical force part of it, so he gets that mechanism of it.

I know that he's trying to step up as a good teammate for the well-being of his group,

which I respect a lot, I don't think the goodest suspension isn't appropriate, I thought

it should have been longer, and I was surprised by that, and I think a lot of people in hockey

were surprised by it, and that, what leads to Connor McDavid saying what he said.

There's a few things to that too, anytime it's against a superstar, and there's a significant

injury, Austin Matthews season is done here, there's going to be more of a focus on the

discipline, a couple of mitigating factors here to all of it, one, and they did mention

this in the video too, if the Department of Player Safety's job is to deter, you know,

Radco-Gudas essentially went an entire career, seven years without a suspension, like that

to me is, it would be a little bit, from a philosophical point of view, it would be

philosophically inconsistent, if for seven years Radco-Gudas completely corrected his

behavior, took no suspensions, and the minute he paints outside the lines, the Department

of Player Safety throws 20 games at him, because if that happens, the message to all of

the other guys is, don't bother, don't bother correcting behavior, like there's a lot

of different layers with this one, and I wonder too, Pierre, if if McDavid doesn't make

comment, is this the big firestorm that it is today?

I think it is, because first of all, it happened in Toronto, secondly, it happened to the

captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs, third, it happened to the captain of Team USA that

just won a gold medal, there's a lot of mitigating circumstances, and I hear a lot, and this

doesn't mean people are wrong, this is just my own humble opinion, I mean that humble

opinion, everybody says we got to protect the star players, I'm like, how about every

player, how about protect every player, not just star players, protect every player, so

that the rules are actually appropriate, you know, I know Brian Burke comes on your show,

Brian hired me in Hartford, I'm a big fan, we get along real well, we're going to be at

Mary on Lemus Fantasy Camp next week together, and so my thing on that, Jeff, is Brian created

this thing called the Burke Bear Hug Rule, he didn't want to name it that, but some of

us named it.

Yep, I think just a simple thing like that would alleviate so much of the hard job that

the Department of Player Safety has, if you just put the Burke Bear Hug rule in, so

you can take a guy in, ride him into the boards from behind, you get 1,000, 1,000, 2,

1,000, 3, then you've got to release them, okay, if they did that, all this other stuff

when people say I drove them from behind, or he did this from behind, all that stuff

would go away, and then we wouldn't have as much inflamed craziness.

The argument against that, and I've brought this up with Brian too, is, the argument

against that is, you go to the rule book, that's holding.

It is, but I also know that there's things called hitting from behind, that don't get

caught.

We need to relax in the rule book.

So guys break the rules all the time, this is more for safety, you know what they say,

if you can see the back of his sweater, and you can read the numbers, you can read the

name, don't hit him, well, I don't know, every game there must be like ten of those

and guys can't read.

But that's become, okay, I'm glad you got us there, because that's become a tactic in

the NHL.

I remember asking someone, this is years ago, a player on the Columbus Blue Jack, it's

like said, why do you guys always turn your backs on the boards?

Why?

Like it is so dangerous, you're putting yourself in such a vulnerable position, and this

player said, well, it's simple, one, it's an easy way to protect the puck, and two,

if I do get hit from behind, we go on the power play, I go to the bench, and the coach gives

me a cookie, I've done my job either way.

There's a couple other things that they forgot.

Number one, we have all these skill development coaches, and what do they teach?

Protect and shield the puck all the time, so players are doing what they're taught to

do.

What's the newest thing that's crept into all the discussion?

And who wants to espouse that?

Agents and analytic people.

So players are going to be reticent to want to move the puck.

So how do you maintain puck possession?

Look good analytically, and look good to the people that make these decisions.

Guys, it turned to protect the puck.

So yes, I agree with everything they're saying, except there are other things that come

in to play, and that's why the Burke Bearhug rule would probably be a good thing, not

a bad thing.

You come in, you wrap up, boom, you move on.

You know, it's interesting.

You mentioned Brian because before there was a D.O.P.S., Brian was essentially the sheriff

of the NHL, and he would always tell me, it's the worst job in the league, because every

day you wake up, you wake up with the knowledge that everybody thinks you're an idiot, because

nobody agrees with anything that you do.

Any suspension, like to the point the economic David made, one, that should be a conversation

with Marty Walsh, two, they've just gone through a round of CBA negotiations, three, the

general managers could turn the heat up, but this game is called the way the managers

want it, and they don't want the 15 game suspensions.

Thank you very much.

And you know, if you want to change it midstream, that's fine, but understand that then it

does turn into a negotiation, because it goes, Conor McDavid, to Marty Walsh, to Gary

Betman, or Marty says, our guys have a problem with the way this game is disciplined, we

want to do something about it, to which Gary, veteran, you know, veteran negotiator, will

say, yes, I hear you, we also have these issues that we'd like to address at the same time,

and then it becomes a negotiation.

And that's to my previous point, you just had this.

You just had these negotiations, I know nobody likes to do the boring stuff, I know players

don't want to do the boring stuff, but it's that boring work that leads to how the game

is disciplined.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, that's a really good, it's all fair, it's great, and I love what you say, because

it really makes a lot of sense.

What was really the focal point of the last collective bargaining agreement, and that's

created all this labor harmony, and I would say the star players wanted to go to the

Olympics, and they wanted that to be a big part of what they did, and the NHL was kind

of like, I'm not so sure about the Olympics, well now I think they're pretty sure that

the Olympic thing worked out right, but look what it brought us, it brought not just you

and I, but everybody that's a fan and is passionate about the abroad labor harmony.

When's the last time you can honestly say everybody was kind of singing from the same songbook,

but it came to the PA in the direction of the league.

It's been a long time.

Well, no, we haven't seen it, like just to be blunt Pierre, like we haven't seen it,

we have not seen labor harmony, it's certainly not with Gary Batman as a commissioner, there

was the 94-95 lockout, which ended halfway through, there was the full season scotch, and

ever since then it's been sort of claw back and claw back and claw back as well.

Maybe a final note on this one with George Parris and the Department of Player Safety.

I'm of the mind that this is a story that comes and goes.

I think that it doesn't matter whether it's George Parris or it's Ryan Getzlaff or Damian

at Chavarietta, who's the head of the Department of Player Safety, based on the process that

they go through and the historical precedent that this department has set.

And George just doesn't wake up and decide.

I think this feels like a five.

I think this feels like, and again, like good as to me, he felt like a seven to me, maybe

if I squint it's an eight, but like I don't think it's way off, but again, that's just

not all right.

I think you're right.

That's where I thought it should have been.

I kind of look at it and say it's not George Parris.

I know he's the figure ahead of all of it and he has the final say, but they look at

like all the historical precedent from all other infractions and the idea of, in this

Wink's back at your point, not just protecting superstars but protecting everybody, I always

get really uncomfortable when I hear we got to protect the stars, because that says

to me, we need a separate category of how we're going to officiate and discipline around

these players.

Hockey's a dangerous game, and I've always, and I've always, and this is maybe, you know,

a question, a follow-up question for Conor McDavid, not that he said stars, but if anyone

does say we need to protect our stars, the follow-up question for anybody in media, listening

to your watching right now, the follow-up question is, show me the list.

Make me the list.

Make me the list of star players.

Well, here's the thing.

We all talk about the need to have character players to win in the playoffs, so star players

know you need to have those guys.

If those guys aren't getting protected, then the star players not getting protected either.

It's in a vicious circle.

It is an unbelievably vicious circle, but you're right.

Well, I don't think Conor said anything bad, by the way.

I think he handled that actually really well.

I was kind of glad that he said what he said.

That being said, I also don't like people piling on and trying to rip George perilous apart,

knowing George a long time and respect him while he's a highly cerebral person that really

cares passionately about the sport and about the league, and he wants to do things right.

He's been a paying member of the association.

He understands what's going on.

He cares.

The people around him are good hockey people.

I've known Damien Darnson.

He was breaking down tape for Holy Camel and Roger Nielsen in New York with the New York

Rangers.

That's a long time.

That's almost 35 years ago, 36 years ago.

They're all good hockey people.

They care a lot.

I don't think they're trying to subvert or sabotage the league, but I do think there's got

to be some form of mechanism where a penalty to a player like Gouda should have been, I think,

a little bit longer.

And I like Radco a lot.

I would have Radco on my team.

I had players like Radco on my team.

I had the late Brian Marchman.

I had Alfie Sanderson.

I had some guys that played like Radco.

And I enjoyed those guys.

They were really important to how well our team did or didn't do.

And so I don't have a problem with that, but I thought the penalty should have been greater

to Radco.

I do.

Okay.

This one is not over.

We'll probably still be talking about this by the time you come back here on the program

to share the mic with me here.

Let me ask you about a couple of other things.

That Colorado Pittsburgh game.

First of all, statement win by the penguins, holy spokes.

But Nathan McKinnon not exactly thrilled at his team, his performance, all of it personnel,

everything.

I kind of look at this one.

Pierre, I'm curious your thoughts.

I look at this one and I say, this is life without Landis Kogman.

Like Landis Kog, as the captain in that room, everything just seems more settled.

You know, I saw that online today, something about how without Landis Kog, this team trends

to 88 points, like without Landis Kogman with them, I think it trends like 120.

Like the difference is stark with or without Gabriel Landis Kog.

And just from a like turn the temperature down in the room, it's March 17th.

Let's all chill out here.

Landis Kog, to me, does it better than only a handful of other guys?

Unless you're around there, yeah, but you're right, Jeff, unless you're around their team

all the time, you don't appreciate that quality that Gabe has number one and number two.

The way that Nathan, Nathan is as intense or more intense than any player in the league.

And if you don't know that, trust me, I was there for a month and a half, actually two

and a half months in Edmonton during in the pod when Colorado was there.

I would tell you that you could hear everything that was going on in Edmonton's position.

How loud was that bench?

How loud was that bench being extremely loud?

And Nathan is an amazingly demonstrative leader and he holds equal opportunity.

He holds himself just as accountable as he holds everybody else accountable,

including his coach, by the way, Jared Bednar.

So that's just how he runs, but you know what, sometimes every team's different.

And you just nailed it.

The Landis Kog factors huge there.

They miss him a lot.

And it's not just for what he does on here, he says what he does on the bench and what

he does behind the scenes.

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World Cup of hockey was one of the things coming out of the general managers' meetings

as well that I wanted to get to before we run out of time here.

They haven't named the eight.

I think it's pretty safe to say that we're looking at Canada, US, Sweden, Finland, Czech

East, Slovakia, Germany, and Switzerland.

I think the NHL is probably waiting on the double-IHF here to make a ruling on Russia, and

I don't think, Pierre, correct me for it.

I don't think the NHL wants to take a lead position on that issue.

I think they're waiting for the double-IHF to make their decision.

I would say you're right.

I would say you're right.

Here's my, again, I'm going to nitpick, because what I do.

I have no issue with Calgary Edmonds and winning this thing.

Congratulations.

That's going to be fun.

In 2028, you know, February, between those two cities, it's going to be fantastic.

I love that there's a European city involved.

I think of the cobblestone streets of Prague as you do, and I think this is wonderful.

I like that.

For big events like this, the NHL is paying more than just lip service to European countries

too.

Like this is significant.

But I think about, and maybe it's already too far down the road to change, but I just

think of the momentum that the US just won triple gold at the Olympics in Hockey, and

they can't carry that momentum into Boston, into New York, into Philadelphia, into Chicago.

How Vegas?

The Vegas is another one, like that's the one that I thought of too, into Vegas, like

you always wonder, okay, so you have like the dream, okay, USA, successful at the Olympics,

the gold medals are coming back.

What do we do with it as the NHL?

I don't know that I would have said, let's put this thing in Canada.

I don't have a problem.

So I would have done it in three different places.

I would have done one Canada, so whether it's Edmonds or Calgary, you choose.

And then you choose, is it New York City, is it Los Angeles, or is it Vegas?

No disrespect meant to Boston that it just had, you know, the four nations in there.

But I, you know, disrespect to Detroit, which I think would be an amazing host for any

event like that.

And you get a lot of cross-border population coming across from Canada, but there's something

about marquee destinations, that's why the Super Bowl goes to all these amazing places.

There's something to be said for that, and you just touched on it brilliantly.

The cobblestone streets of Prague, they're spectacular.

I've been there so many different times, whether it's been for scouting or broadcasting

in Prague, just the spectacular world-class city, and an amazing hockey city.

So I have no problem there.

I have no problem with one of the cities in Edmonton, but I really do think there should have

been an American component to this.

I'm just glad that we're starting to really see a vibrant international schedule.

You know, like I can recall years in, and this would have even been before Pierre, even

before Batman, like this would have been in the late Ziegler era.

You know, someone from the hockey news sent me all these like pro-formers that they had

from the NHL on like cities that they're investigating, creating an NHL Europe, and it's

the obvious ones like Stockholm and Helsinki, et cetera.

But there's like Paris and London and Milan, and like this is something that really the Simon

Schemberg has always maintained, and I agree with him, that the beginning of international

hockey was 1972, because all of a sudden someone was at par with, like that was the beginning,

and then Canada Cup 76, et cetera, and we're off to the races.

Like we've wondered about this for a long time, and at various times the NHL has dipped its

toe into this, and then gotten back and got up on the diving board, and went back down

the ladder, et cetera.

But now it finally seems as if there is going to be a consistent and robust schedule of international

hockey.

There's going to be, I tied Bill Daly on my podcast called Inside the Game, and he talked

about it really graphically, and one of the things is the league has opened up an office

in Zurich, which I think is really important.

That's number one.

Number two, they're going to play obviously Otto and Chicago are going to go over to Germany

and play two games there next year.

One of the things I admire about the national hockey league, they understand how

important the European component is to the player development part of this process.

They don't want to alienate a lot of those national foundations at for hockey.

The federation in Sweden, the federation, obviously in Finland, the federation in Germany,

the federation in Czechia, Slovakia, they don't want to alienate those people in this

process.

So I think they've treaded a really difficult line, and they've treaded it really well.

I have a lot of respect for the way the NHL is trying to do their business in Europe,

I really do.

It's great to see.

As a fan of international hockey, and I think we all are by now, and see, it's not like,

it's not like, again, I'm going to sound like an old man, Shakespeare's to clouds.

It's not like it used to be where you didn't know the players.

I can recall my dad telling me about all the players on Czechoslovakia in 76, and here's

Youngstassni, and here's Vlad Zorilla in Holochek, and I can still remember, and there was

like a mystery about them.

That doesn't exist anymore, but here's the thing that I wondered about, and I have wondered

about since USA won gold, and I would ask the same thing of Canada won gold.

How many players on USA would trade their gold medal for a Stanley Cup ring?

Probably a bunch of them.

I couldn't give you the number, but I don't know the number either.

But I would say a bunch.

Over my left shoulder are two Stanley cups in the Patrick Division trophy, and those

matter a lot.

They matter a lot.

All the individual accolades I have from broadcasting, they're over on my right, they'll never

be behind me.

I'll never show them, because this was more about team than anything else, and I think that's

the biggest thing, but the Stanley Cup matters unbelievably.

If you really have been around the National Hockey League forever and ever, they matter.

Matter a lot.

They're very few people that get to the top of the NHL mountain, and when you do get there,

you know how hard it was to get there.

For sure.

The only thing that I wonder about it too is, once upon a time, that was a two-foot pot,

oh, Stanley Cup ring all day, I'm saying like Olympic gold for a lot of, and we've always

just, as always, assumed there would only be the Europeans, but like, gold medal means

a ton of North Americans.

Now.

Well, now it does, yeah, because the Olympics are massive, the Olympics is big business.

Now it is, it's the true best-on-best except this year we didn't have the Russians, obviously,

and that's a component that they're going to have to figure out internationally.

I've looked the way you phrase that before with the double eye chef and the aisle see,

they're going to have to figure that out.

But the Olympics are special, you know, I've had the honor of doing eight of them, eight

of the Olympics, and it never got old, and it was great.

But I could tell you just from the broadcast and component, the only one that felt that

was as large as Stanley Cup was a 2010 Olympics in Vancouver, because it was Canada,

US, in an unbelievably tense environment with overtime and a Canadian country that was

just dying to win.

And it brought so much emotion and so much passion to the event.

It felt as big or bigger than Stanley Cup Final.

02 wasn't like that in Salt Lake.

02 was a walk.

It was a walk.

Like, Canada ran away.

Canada ran away with it.

This was overtime.

And 02 was different.

Finland and Sweden are playing there, and yeah, it mattered to those countries.

But I think if you were to talk to the guys on Sweden who eventually won, what meant more

of them?

Short-term, that invented, but long-term, that Stanley Cup that they won in Detroit or

the numerous cups they won in Detroit, those mattered, those guys.

You know what I mean?

The guys did it in one, so I still think the Stanley Cup matters a lot.

Okay, let me do a quick memory lane here before we split.

Yeah.

I had a lot of thoughts rush back into my head last night at the end of that King's Rangers

game, watching Anjay Kopitzar and Jonathan Quick embraced and then have a chat.

I think back to 2012, obviously, when Jonathan Quick was the best goal tender on the planet,

bar none, just an incredible season, both regular season and playoffs for Jonathan Quick.

And of course, we know how both Kopitzar overtakes Marcel Dionne as the all-time leading

score for the Los Angeles Kings are record, that by the way, as we all know, stood for

45 years.

Little Beaver had that one for 45 years.

Incredible.

Do you have a thought on Kopitzar beating Dionne?

I don't know if you saw the exchange between the two, but like Quick stayed back to wait,

you know, and then had that.

It was just a beautiful hockey moment.

Well, the 12th Kings and the 14 Kings were phenomenal.

Darryl Sutter did such a good job with those guys and the players, obviously, responded.

People don't talk about Dustin Brown's leadership enough.

Dustin was a phenomenal leader.

They don't talk about Alec Martinez in the way he played, Young Drew Dowdy, phenomenal.

We all know that.

There were so many moving parts there.

They were a tough team.

They were a big team.

They were a nasty team.

Here's my Kopitzar story for him in 2005, when we had the nuclear winter, I was sitting

in Injbruck Austria watching the Slovenians practice, and there was only one other person

in the ring with me besides the Slovenian entourage, and it was David Conti of the New Jersey

Devils.

And so David was, you know, a legendary scout and still is, but at that time, he was Lulamorello's

right hand man.

And we were talking and he said, very politely, he says, you know, this crossby guy is really

good, Pairn.

He's going to go number one.

Who do you think should go number two?

We started throwing out all these different names.

I never said Kopitzar's name, and he's right in front of me.

And I should have, but I didn't.

And he goes, I'll tell you the second best player in this draft is, it's not even close.

It's Ansei Kopitzar.

And Conti's called that.

He, David Conti, I will never forget that.

It was at the Rink and Innsbruck in 2005, and he called it, and you know what, he was

spot on.

He couldn't have been more right.

You know, there was, and again, not, and injuries were a main factor, certainly.

But do you remember how good Gilbert Brouley was?

Do you remember how flat I was?

Like, yeah, like, Pairn Vancouver, I watched him with the Chinese.

He was great.

One of those converses, as part of that Dave Conti conversation of like, who's the second

best?

I'm guessing Gilbert Brouley's name came up.

It did.

Brouley's name came up.

So did Mark Stahl.

Remember Mark Stahl back in those days.

He was an ultimate shutdown defenseman that everybody wanted to have.

Kerry Price's name came up.

Try city.

Kerry Price was, you know, drafted by Montreal and right after Gilbert Brouley, and you

go down the line.

There were a lot of good players that went, you know, Jack Johnson's name was brought

it.

There were a lot of guys who were brought up there.

They got it.

It's crossed me and Copa Tart from that draft and Kerry Price is probably three.

You know what?

You know what?

You got to go.

I just wanted one thing.

2012 draft.

I went back to look at it again the other day.

You could make the argument that the top two players should have both been goal tenders.

Andre Vassalowski and Conrad Hallibuk.

I feel a four is Brooks in there.

Hempest Lindberghs in Lindholms in there, Tom Wilson's in there.

Who else would have been in there a couple of others that would be in there.

But like you can make the argument like in 2012, the top two picks should have been

goalies, which if you made it at the time, be considered insane.

If you considered that's what are you doing?

I'll take you one more back 1990 draft.

The one Nolan was first Peter Nedved goes second, Keith Primo goes third, Mike Ritchie

goes fourth, Yarrimer, Yager, you can make the argument that Yager should have been

one.

And with the 20th pick overall, Lewis J. Lamarello from the New Jersey devil selects from

St. Hayes and Quebec, Martin Broderer.

You can make the argument that those two guys should have gone one and two.

Yeah.

Trevor Kidd went ahead of Marty Broderer.

Okay.

I know you got a hustle.

Thanks so much for stopping by as always and indulging me on the goofy draft stories.

You're the best Pierre.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you Jeff.

Great.

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