Once We Subverted the System with Felicia Day | Episode 17

The good thing about the internet is it's like a cheesecloth, you know, there's always going to be a hole where somebody could get through and be like, I'm going to prove you wrong.

It's not always precedent like the guild and Dr. Horrible didn't escort tons of independent stories for us. I mean, there were great examples like broad city and

Issa Rae and awkward black girl crazy girl friend. All of them have sort of internet roots because they were out of the box and they worked their way around talent wise.

But you know, it wasn't like the franchise the guild ran for 20 seasons on NBC or Dr. Horrible got to do a lot more iterations. It could have, but

The good thing is that the precedent is there and the rules can always be broken and that's the cool thing because subverting the system is always fun for me.

Once we were spaceman.

I tend to play weird people. Usually aliens and robots and things that don't have romance. I once didn't get a job where they were looking for a Nathan Filion type.

Once we were spaceman. Once we were spaceman.

Shall we are we commencing? Shall we commence? I'll be recording. I thought we were commenced it.

We're commenced. Okay. Felicia, get ready for this. You ready? Alan, do the thing.

Welcome to once we were spaceman. Because at one time we were spaceman. And in that moment that once it was a time that we were

in space. And at the same time Felicia Dave was also space key. And so she also now is part of the space world like space mayor.

Thank you. Yeah, I almost thought it was going to end and then it kept going and I was happy. Yeah.

Wow. Right? That was a lot to wake up to.

And also I think it peaked but in my heart.

Thank you. Thank you. Good morning Felicia. How are you today?

I am so delighted to see y'all's faces. You're my favorite people. And I say that to every podcast I do.

Wow. Thank you. I feel personal. Thank you. Felicia, I've known you a long time. So long in fact, I can't remember when we met.

I know. Oh, please tell me I have a guess and I'll tell you if I was right.

So in 2004, I was on Buffy, the last season of Buffy. And I took an absolutely hideous pilot for the WB that was an improvised reality thing.

You know how that jury show is now where everybody but the actors know they're okay. So that's what we did with the WB.

And I had to choose between like two episodes of Buffy and doing this pilot. And I didn't want to do the pilot.

But of course my people were like, you have to do the pilot. So I remember being foaming in coiling a California the whole time while you were shooting Caleb from Buffy, right?

That character was Caleb. Anyway, so we did not get to act together. But then we met at Joss Whedon's house doing Shakespeare, I believe later that summer after the wrap of the show.

And that was me just going, I could have worked with him instead of doing this pilot that nobody ever saw and it was pretty bad.

So that's the deal. That's that's it. I think. Is that what you guessed Nathan? No, I was wrong because I thought you were one of the many.

What do they call you girls? Potentials. I want the potentials. I thought you were one of the potentials running around because there was like 16 of y'all.

Yeah, they killed him off every episode. I'm the one of the only ones that survived.

But I was not on the episodes that you were on. And again, I've always regretted that. Why did I take that pilot? I didn't want it.

And it was terrible. They locked us in a hotel room. And we had to pretend that we were really moving there.

And I just was, I would cry off camera because the people were so nice. They're like, honey, you'll like it here as soon as you move here because I was playing a really rebellious teenager.

You'll like it. You can join the cheer squad. And they really thought I was going to move there. And so I would just cry.

And we had to stay locked in our hotel room. So nobody would know that we were actors. So all it was meet and tear and kill him.

Who would just play the Sims on PlayStation the whole time like eight hours a day while we're locked up there in the Harris ranch right off the five.

Taryn killed from SNL. Yes. Yes. Taryn. Yeah. Mary DeCoby. Smolders. Oh, wow. Yes. I got even higher for her.

Yes. We met him. Wow. You got crazy for her. She is very, very cool. Yeah. People say that. Never matter.

That sounds like it was a little bit like torture out there. Uh, no, it was not good. It was not good at all.

Again, it just made me feel bad. But you know me. I'm a stupid sap. I'm a little paladin. I don't like fooling people in real life.

But it did work out that we did eventually meet and we did eventually work together. That's right.

Do you remember meeting me? No. No. What the fuck you don't remember at all. I honestly don't. I'm so sorry, Alan. I'm so sorry. I really do not first time you met Felicia.

You know what's great is the first time her and I met, I thought she might be flirting with me.

So not only was she, like, not recording memories when she met me, I was way off about her kindness being.

But I think I had that problem back then. It was when we were doing firefly, maybe firefly was over.

And we did a Shakespeare at Joss Whedons. We did Cleopatra with Marina Bakker and reading Cleopatra.

I remember that. And we sat right next to each other. Yep. And you just couldn't stop flirting with me.

My hand was in your crotch. That was that was a choice. That was an acting choice with my hand in your crotch.

You really need to learn the signals, man. How did you get married? And you got such a classy lady. How did that happen?

I know. I know I finally, I was finally like, I think this one's hitting on me. This one. This person.

I mean, are you hitting on me? Yeah. I mean, she's like, I don't know. I guess I could.

I'll get my hand out of your crotch. I guess this is not going to be the right thing.

Yeah. But that's, we met there. And then I think I saw you in a robot. You were playing a robot.

In a thing, it was like, you had all this metal, but it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt was there.

It was like a, you may have had polio. I don't remember this. Oh, yeah.

Were you on that? Were you with that movie? No, I just watched you on it. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I take it back. You weren't, you weren't a robot. You just had a lot of metal.

There was a one-classy thing I've ever done in my career. And I never duplicated it for many reasons.

They didn't want me. Really? It was very good. It was very sweet. You like danced and you were like

the sweet heart like the, which you put your heart out while watching it, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

I had polio, which was not cool. But at the time, I made it peppy because I was in a wheelchair.

And you're right. It was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. That was the movie. Warm Springs was the movie.

If you didn't do the two episodes of Buffy and you did the pilot instead, how did you eventually

still end up over at Buffy? I think Josh was like, oh, we won't kill her off when she's off

screen. So I expected to come back. It was like a two-week period that I was gone in the spring.

And then they started on Buffy. Yes. I was on like three or four episodes. I took two episodes off

and then I came back for like two or three more. What season did you enter Buffy?

Seven, the last one. And I started like September or October of 2023 or 2002, 2003. Oh God. So old.

Walk me through the day. Season seven of Buffy was a very popular show. It was very well-liked.

It was very successful. It was a lot going on. And what was going on for Felicia Day,

professionally at the time and that phone call you get, you're going to be on Buffy. What's that?

I mean, nobody wanted me. And mostly people don't want me. So it was nice to get hired.

I went in to audition for Buffy. And I had had like maybe two roles. I did a lot of commercials.

I have a very appealing look of, I don't need to own my own body. Do what you want with me.

So I did a lot of very good, you know, I made a living doing like old Navy. It's half my nose.

You know, at the time you could make a lot of money with a half a nose on an old Navy commercial.

Yeah. But I could not crack the audition for theatrical mostly because I had an anxiety disorder

that was undiagnosed until just a couple years ago. Really good timing when I'm over my peak.

Anyway, so I did go in. I had done like bringing on again. That's it. And maybe one guest star.

But I went in and I was, I had no idea what Buffy was. I'd heard about it. I was like,

oh, that's a way to show that I would like to have watched, but I just never made time for it.

I go in for a guest star. And I read for the guest star who turned out to be a girl who was a demon

who died at the end of the episode. And I remember Marnie Noxon and David Fury. I think we're there.

And they had me cold read a monologue for another character. And because I'm really good when I'm

unprepared, I actually did a really good job. And by the time I was out at my car again,

they were like, oh, you got hired. Evidently, they were so desperate for an actor to start working

in two days for this unnamed character who was supposed to be an Asian woman who didn't speak

any English. They ended up bringing that potential in like two episodes later.

That's usually my role, but good for you. Wow. So that's it. By accident, I was, yeah, that's

that's the story. Well, way to go if you've got an anxiety disorder in the hands of huge monologue

and you go, bam, that was easier than preparing. You know, now I know about drugs. So I can operate

a little bit better. You're at the car. You get the call, hey, bad news. You didn't get the role

you were looking for. Good news is you got the role for the mute Asian girl. That's true,

but I did get a couple of lines. They did write me some lines. I think it's, I don't know why they

liked me. It was probably like, wow, she looks like she's gonna explode with anxiety. That's a new

take, you know? Let me tell you why they liked you. You're super talented. You're super cute.

You're effervescent. You bubble all the time. You're continually sparkling. I am shocked to just

find out just now that you have suffered from anxiety. What? I mean, look at my resume.

Clearly, I self-sabotage anything. There's no way I can't get arrested. I look at your resume.

I see a self-made millionaire. I made it all happen. I made it all happen myself because I self-sabotaged

in front of other people. So I literally had to do it myself, which I guess is fine.

Whatever reason that made you do it, you did it. Yeah. Hollywood is littered with self-sabotasers

who didn't do it themselves. Yeah. And still don't pull themselves up on their bootstraps.

Yeah. Truly, it is littered. We need they need to clean that up. I don't know. Gavin Newsom is

out there always like this. That's the other thing. Pick up the people who self-sabotage.

I mean, at least in my neighborhood. I'm sorry. I'm gonna start to go fund me for that, Alan.

But we eventually were together on Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Block. And I remember

Joss Whedon coming to you and saying, so what do we do next? Because you were already an expert

in web series. I was a little ahead of my time, maybe too ahead. You know, Dr. Horrible was inspired,

and I'm not gonna take all the credit, but when I was on the strike line for the WGA back of the day,

I had emailed Joss the guild and he watched it and that's part of what inspired him to just make

something on his own. That's what he told me. I'm not talking at a turn. And the phenomenon

that Dr. Horrible became thanks to you and Neil and everybody in the production really

allowed me to do more of what I do. So it was kind of symbiosis. You know, I'm hoping that something

like that comes back. That sort of indie spirit people making their own stuff because Hollywood is

even in a worse shape right now. I don't know if you guys agree with me, but it's just difficult

for people to get stories made. And I don't know. Oh yeah. It was really cool to make something

out of the box. I mean, you both have done it over and over again. And I think that's what's

inspiring. Well, I think I read the co-tails of people who do it. I would not say that. But

I've made a career at a co-tails. I had a conversation with an agent from my agency at the time

when we were doing Dr. Horrible. And I was saying, I'm fascinated. The idea of entertainment

on demand on the internet. And we were at an event, and this agent had had a couple of drinks,

and she kept saying, yeah, but it's the internet. It's never going to work. It's the internet.

And every time I tried to get a point across, she interrupts with, yeah, but it's the internet.

I said, what am I about to say that's so terrifying to you that you can't even allow me to say it.

And that brought me abrupt into the conversation. But that's where the conversation was at the time

about entertainment on demand on the internet. What year was that? 2008. 2008.

Or nine. Wow. I mean, here's the thing. What I've learned is that the institutions don't want

things that they don't understand and control. And eventually, they took it over. So they spotted

it, but they were afraid of people being able to work outside their system. Then they co-opted

the system and somewhat ruined it. But the good thing about the internet is it's like a cheese

cloth. You know, there's always going to be a hole where somebody could get through and be like,

I'm going to prove you wrong. It's not always precedent, like the guild and Dr. Horrible didn't

escort tons of independent stories for us. I mean, there were great examples like broad city

and East array and awkward black girl crazy girl friend. All of them have sort of internet roots

because they were out of the box and they worked their way around talent wise. But you know,

it wasn't like the franchise. The guild ran for 20 seasons on NBC or Dr. Horrible got to do a

lot more iterations. It could have. But the good thing is that the precedent is there and the rules

can always be broken. And that's the cool thing because subverting the system is always fun

for me. Would you see then you built a career on subverting the system and breaking the rule?

For sure. I mean, I don't, I mean, the things that I'm working on now are all like, well,

they won't do it. So screw it. I'm going to make it, you know. How dare you? I know. Listen

desperation. I got to pay for my child. The last thing that I worked with you on was exactly

that. It was the thing unonable. Yeah. Third eye. You were so funny. Oh my gosh. If you guys haven't

listened to Ellen on this, he plays a sleazy vampire and he's so funny and you improv so much,

no other actor improv like you. I think Sean asked him improv a little bit. But I was like, I,

this is why he does all the animation because you're just, you add so much. It's so amazing.

So that was something you wrote on your own, which wrote it on spec. That's a, that's that's

Hollywood lingo right there. And is it a Hollywood secret? That's not a secret. That's just

Hollywood. Okay. You wrote it on spec. It's a story. Could you explain a describe it just a little

bit? Well, it's about a failed Harry Potter who grew up and was a loser. After the Guild, my web

series ended in like 2014 or whatever. I wrote this on spec because I wanted it to be my next,

I was my dream to be a TV show. And I got a big production company on board and nobody wanted it.

Like it was like, I dropped a poop on a table when I pitched it to comedy places. So my heart was

broken and I spent like, I'm sorry. I tried to just let it go a poop on the table. Oh yeah. I mean,

you're pitching comedy central these cool girls in it, man. And they're like all with their

cool people. And I'm like pitching, you know, Harry Potter and vampires. I just, I feel like comedy

people don't like nerd people. It's a heart. It's a, when you find the person who loves it, but

there's a snobbery from cool comedy people to do stuff. I don't know. I don't want to sidetrack us,

but that one blows me away. It is such a weird snob because comics are fucking nerds. I know. I

don't get it. You've experienced it too. Oh god. Only Pat Naswell is like this one shining example

of a nerd who's so good at comedy and like brings the respect. And then yeah, they, they look

down their nose at nerds. I don't get it. And then what we do in the shadows, you have to be like,

have an accent together away with it. You know, Tyco, what he, you know, he gets away with it

because he had an accent, right? But I don't know what it was. Maybe it's just also timing. It was

a little early to be nerdy. Well, you shouldn't have pooped on the table. I think we can say that

across the board that I will do anything to get a job. Okay. They're the ones who gave me coffee. I

don't know. Exactly. They, they, listen, they got to move. They validated my parking. I'm going to do it.

And I will leave you with this. I want to know who was Felicia Day growing up? Like,

where your parents looking at you going, we're really worried about Felicia. She's, she's not

ball. What was Felicia in high school? What was, who was the little girl who became this lady now?

I was homeschooled. I didn't know if you knew that. Yeah, that's what we're wrong in many ways.

Was it like a Christian one? No, my mom just didn't want to get out of bed early. So she would

just throw some books on the table and be like, you know, loads of stuff. I just have to be so smart.

No, it's just bored. And we didn't have the internet back then or I would, you know, I'd probably be

happier. No, we're career-wise. But I, I just loved, I loved showing off. And that's also been a

problem I've had to undo because a lot of my motivation over the years has been extrinsic versus

intrinsic. Can you tell I'm going to therapy? But I was always the odd ball. I didn't have any

contact with my peers. So I always thought, oh, if I'm not as good as an adult who's really

prominent, then I'm not doing well. So I would just push myself to do stuff. I was a violinist. So

I got a very early scholarship to college. And I always just wanted to be an actor. So I got the

real degrees. And I just moved to Hollywood thinking I was going to be famous, you know, like an idiot.

And that's right. What city is this? You're being homeschooled and raised in.

I was homeschooled in Mississippi, Alabama. No, wow. You don't sound like from that place.

I know. I can put it on. When you get on the phone with your relatives, does it come out?

Oh, yeah. I'm like, hey, hey, y'all. Yes, it's really bad. It's really, especially if you go to

Georgia. When you say I didn't and I moved off to Hollywood, it sounds so easy. But who did you

know? What support system did you have in Hollywood? When you tell your mom, hey, I'm leaving.

What's the reaction from friends and family? This is not an easy move.

Well, the good thing was I was smart. And I volunteered for film festivals the whole time while I was

in college in Austin. And Austin has an amazing and used to even have a more amazing film scene.

Indy Phil scene. That's kind of where I was inspired. Like, you know, Rick Lake later and

rubber, rubber rigas, you know, they were known to be like working outside the system. So I think

that spirit of that indie film thing is why I did what I did because I'm like, well, they did

it. You know, you can work outside the system and make stuff. I always volunteered and I met

a lot of people there and I saved up all my money playing weddings at large Baptist weddings in

Austin, Texas. Playing what? The violin, yeah. Yeah. So I was able to move out with enough money to

be okay and then enough confidence to be like, that's going to be easy. Did you call ahead and say,

I have an apartment I'm going to rent? Where did you stay? You know, I was able to move in with

someone. So who is someone? Who's the someone who said, come, you can come to the crash of my

couch? I love her. I can go into that. I love her. It happened to be a lover, but I'm not going

to go into it. Can I ask a question real quick, just to back up, just as real quick, you went to

UT Austin. Yeah. Did you before? No, I went to Juilliard. Juilliard. Oh, I'm sorry. I just wanted

you to be able to drop that you went to Juilliard. Nim drop. Yes. But you, I just found out

from our crack team who cracked it. Crack sound, please. Thank you.

The secrets of Felicia Day, you got accepted to Juilliard. I got accepted to the pre-programs. So

Dorothy Delay, who is one of the most famous violin teachers in existence, I went in audition

for her and she accepted me as a violin student. Yes. You would have been one of those violin

kids with a bruise on your neck walking around school all the time. And so it was like 10 years

ago that it started going away. It was there for like, you know, decade after I stopped playing.

I mean, that's so much. It's like, I got blisters on my fingers. You know, everybody knows that

from John Lennon, but even worse, violinists have a constant 24 hour Hickey months years going.

That's how much they love their art. Well, you know, their art gives them Hickeys.

But you said no to that. I'm going to go to UT. I'm going to go to Austin. So you were already,

look at this. I don't need this crap. I'm going to do it my way. No, I was a child who had no agency.

I'm like, oh, I can't go there. We don't have money. And then randomly my teacher from UT

Austin was like, you want to go to college next year? I'll get you a scholarship. Yeah. I mean,

I would love to say I was a good school. And that is a good school. It's a really good school.

Yeah. And the music department was, you know, great. It was great for me because it was like,

it's a 50,000 student school, which is like, I was at my house with my brother,

but the music building was like 300 people. So it was kind of like, I had sort of a high school

experience in the music school. And then I would venture out to do other classes from there.

So I didn't get into crazy. I never even went to like a party. What? Oh, yeah. You didn't

realize I was so pathetic. I can't believe you. I'm very. It's Austin. Nothing parties all the time.

I was 16 and my mom drove me to college every day. Well, that's good that you didn't party now.

Were you a shy kid? Were you, were you wallflower? Were you awkward? Yes. All of the above, Nate.

When did that wrap up? I'm looking at a confident, incredible human being. What was the explosion

that happened? It said, uh, it's not for this. It's so the internet and being used as a pinata

in Hollywood. Like, I had to, I gotta, I had to rough it up, man. I had to break the pinata.

What comes out? Is it that poop again? Or is it? Oh, yeah. Lots of poops. So much poop. Just like,

it's like a soft serve machine. Jesus. So it's fresh. So fresh.

Exciting. Unless I've eaten a lot of cheese and then it would just drop. Which you mentioned

that cheese caught earlier. I'm allergic. So I'm hoping that the future of Hollywood doesn't

involve a cheese clock. Do you have lactose intolerance? Yes. I just developed that and I'm so upset.

Oh, I'm fascinated that you were awkward ever because that's something you've never been.

That's not in my, I don't, that is not in my experience with Felicia Day. You're always on top

that you're in control. You're right. You're conducting it. You're, you're like, hey, you,

by the way, I don't know you. We're going to be friends. Shake, shake, shake. Yeah. When we were in

Comic Con, one of the first Comic Con's I went to, I remember we went out to dinner. It was like

the group of usuals with Joss and not everybody. And you said, I don't have your number.

Give me your number. I don't have any of your information now. You have to give me your

information. Were you thinking that I was flirting with you again? No, no. At that point, I was good.

It was just, it was very like you had no problem saying give me your information. And I said,

well, at at that time, it was during the, that oil rig crisis in the Gulf of Mexico that was just

the BP thing that was just spilling oil for months on end. And I made up cards that said I was in

BP, I went to BP Deepwater Exploration. And anyway, I made cards. And so I gave you a card.

And you looked at it and you're like, disgusted. Look on your face. You're like, this doesn't have

your email. It doesn't have your Twitter. It doesn't have anything on here. I cannot use this

in your hands. This is a punchline, Alan. Wow. I'm not here for your jokes. All I had was my

phone number. And you're like, what's a phone number for? Get it out of my hands.

I got the same look and disdain from Felicia when she found out I wasn't on Twitter. And she

hounded and harassed me until I finally got on Twitter. And she said, there, now you're on Twitter.

And I called her up and I said, hey, I can't get to my email because I get a notification every

time someone follows me. And she said, hey, everybody, Nathan's on Twitter. And she had millions of

followers. And I'm getting followers. And I can't stop the emails from coming through.

Oh my god. I can't believe you had that set on. You must have like a hundred thousand.

Yeah. And then she looked at me and she said, Nathan, you can't have this set for notifications.

What do you say? I've never, I don't know what the button to me. I was a neo fight. And this

is Felicia slapping me around going, I am tired of walking you through this.

You don't come off as an anxiety nerdy type person that way. In real life, you're very much like move,

sit down, oh man, let me help you. Let me just say, I will say that you guys, and this is a

compliment I want to be really genuine about this and the social group that we've had for so long

that started with Buffy, started with Jaws, so started with all the people who are part of that

group. I will say that outside of the bubble of safety that are the people who are not only

incredibly talented and creators, but they're genuine people. I'm just dysfunctional because

everything in Hollywood is provisional mostly. If you're not hot, nobody's going to call you. If

you really have something, everybody's got your number. And you know that you're on sort of like

trial basis with everybody. And that's why I feel that because I'm like, there's not really

genuine connection. If I'm not useful to you, I won't talk to you. I never felt that with you guys

or any of the group that we are with. I always felt safe and accepted for myself. And that's so

rare in life, but especially in the business we're in because we're transient. You know, we

don't we know each other, but we're not going to might be a couple of years before we talk,

but it's always like a real human connection. And we get to play together, we get to work together,

we get to socialize together whenever we can, but it's always on a real human basis. And I say that

as a thank you as a friend for providing, and I'm going to cry because it's the safe space that

everybody deserves, but doesn't really get in this industry. So I just, I like knowing you guys.

No, I don't deny that connection. I will simply say you made it happen. You forced us.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I won't leave you alone. It's all that flirting.

At least I was homeschooled and no crotch grabbing was like that. Okay. I've learned.

I thought that's how you shook somebody's hand. Hi, hello. That was a hand. Hi, hello.

Hi. That was a hand. Hey, Charlie, we got to get. Anyway, we've got to get an HR.

Is this usually more professional? I'm so sorry. This is something I'd like to ask of people.

Was there a moment in your career where you felt yourself? I've made it. Here it is. I've made it.

I mean, yeah, I think. Okay. I have two of them go. One of them is when the music video for the

guild came out and like just millions of people watched it. Oh, yeah. That was a brilliant video.

And it was the same summer that Dr. Horrible came out.

I cannot believe my eyes. How the world's finally growing wise.

Everything was like aligned and I was like, oh my god, this irrational self-confidence I had in

my work doing it the hard way is finally working. That's one. And then the other one is like a

couple years into COVID when everything got caught off. And I left my company. I had a company that

was called Geek at Sundry. It was wonderful. But then it was not wonderful. And then it was really

tough. And I was working on things that I wasn't really creatively invested in as much. And I was

building other people's careers versus mine. So I left. I had a baby total life crisis. I'll write

about it one day. And then because I was so desperate to try to get in again or try to grab that

success that I had had like 10 years or eight years earlier. But COVID cut me off from it

because we all shut down. And I was kind of forced to figure out, well, how do you live with yourself

and be happy with yourself outside these goals? And so I started writing and I started working on

things that I didn't have an ulterior motive to please other people with. And that was sort of

the realization that, oh, this is what arts about. This is what being a creator's about. Yes,

you have to have the business. But if you let the skills tip too far into the business and you're

kind of working for the business, then that's kind of the antithesis of being a creator, right? So

you got to balance it out. And you have to keep nurturing your inner creativity that only you can do

even if it's not useful or you lose your own voice. And so like, you know, I went and wrote

like a graphic novel and that's coming out actually pretty soon this year. And then I wrote,

you know, the third eye, which was a rejected TV pilot, which I was able to make into a whole

TV link thing. And yeah, I wrote a couple of other things. Yeah. So it was on the charts. It

charted unottable. It was yeah, it was top three. Yeah, exactly. So I think those are the two things

where I'm like, meet it, you know, as far as like my personality being best on the best seller.

You had a best seller. Felicia's New York Times best seller was her 2015 memoir. You're never

weird on the internet almost. I mean, you know, if you're not well balanced, I mean, you know,

just content. Those were great. It's great. It's making stuff great. Like you guys do it all the time.

You're just creative. And I think that's really the heart of it. Like you have to know that you have

a voice and you want to make stuff and you got to deal with the business is sometimes the business

work for you and sometimes it doesn't. But it doesn't mean that you as a creator are not worthy.

And that's the hard part to learn. And you could tell it to somebody, but you can't do it until you

learn it. I'll say there's a difference. I do participate in projects that are fantastic and

I'm very fortunate. You build things from the ground up and not just one or two. There's a dozen things

you've created from the ground up. Yeah, because I just was like, Hey, I did a movie the, you know,

last year and I just released it on podcast form because I like I always wanted to be in this movie

and so many times somebody was going to fund it and like it never happened. And I'm like, I don't

think it'll ever happen. And I just, you know, made it into a scripted podcast and I released it

on bandcamp and I made my money back and I did a movie. Who knows? It's not going to make like a

huge impact on my life, but the people who listened to it, enjoyed it. What's the name of it?

So it's called Bailey, Bailey. And you can get it on band camp. Cool. Yeah. So I don't know. Yes,

on the certain scale, I keep making stuff. But, you know, you make stuff that you can employ

other people, which is a nice, that's a nice to have a question. Yeah. Do you believe in ghosts?

What? Do you believe in ghosts? Have you or have you got a topic turn hairpin hairpin?

Topic turn. We talk about career stuff all the time with guests, but when I'm in our,

are just alone, we talk about anything. And I just want to open it up to anything. And this is

something that interests me. Have you ever seen a ghost? Have anyone you love and trust and know

and believe? Have they ever seen a ghost? Do you believe in ghosts? Okay. Believe that's the

thing that just lost me because my daughter, who's nine, believes in ghosts. And she thinks there's

a hallway ghost. And she's convinced that there's a ghost in the hallway. It's like a old, you know,

a lady. And I'm like, okay, I'll turn the hall light on because you think there's a lady live

in here. It's creepy. But when she was two and three, she thought that a dolphin in a top hat named

Oco loco would come and wake her up in the middle of the night. So she might just be irrational, I think.

Or awesome. That's great. Oco loco. I even went to a con and had them do fan art of Oco loco. And

it's more disturbing to see a dolphin with arms and legs and a tuxedo with a top hat.

Yeah, that's not right. Yeah. That's that's the island of Dr. Moro and shit. That's not. Yeah,

exactly. Would you come back as a ghost if you could? That's my question to you guys.

To me, ghosts always kind of seem like scary and terrifying and frightening. If there were some

helpful ghosts, sure. I think maybe I kind of help out. Well, maybe punch up some lines in a

writer's room, the haunted writer's room. You'd be like massaging their head like, this is a joke.

This is great. This is great. Yeah. Does it have to be a cop? Could he be a butcher? Because then, you know,

Hollywood producer ghost, that'd be kind of amazing. I would say, no, don't come back for me,

just since that's my vote, I would not want to come back as a ghost. I'm done. I'm done.

Done. Okay. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. What's the best pastry you've ever had?

Like, what's the one where you were just like, holy mackerel? This is what I wanted my

name for. Guys, there's a pastry in, I guess it qualifies as a pastry. It was invented in a

little town in British Columbia, north of Vancouver called Nanaimo. And it's the Nanaimo bar.

Those are so cool. You know the ones. So it's a it's a layer of like cocoa and granola and

walnuts on the bottom, a layer of what I thought was icing. It's really just buttered with sugar in

it. Sweet Jesus. Yeah, that's what that middle layer is. And then the layer of chocolate on top.

And something you have with coffee, you have to have it with something better because it is so sweet.

It'll send you to a diabetic coma. Yeah, you have to be near a hospital when you eat one.

Is there a place? Did you go to Nanaimo and have like the Nanaimo bar or is it just like in general,

that's the that's the thing you want. It's all around Canada. It's all over Canada. We don't

you don't have to visit Nanaimo specifically, but that's the legendary birthplace of the Nanaimo bar.

So we shot resident alien. We did a lot of over there. Yeah, I was just there. I did a little pilot

thing. Maybe it'll go. Maybe not. Who knows? And you lit up a little bit. You've had the Nanaimo bar.

Yes, well, it's one of the few gluten-free items you can get because I'm also the gluten intolerant.

But it is way too sweet for me. I love how Nathan introduces me to the fine culinary arts

of Canada over and over. I remember I was with you and your brother Jeff

in Toronto, I think, and you ordered this thing. I was like, what the hell are you putting in

your mouth? And it was you were like, it's a Caesar. And I was like, what is it? What's in it?

Clam juice. And I almost puked on you. I was so repulsed. But then I tried and it was so

precious. Can you describe your love of a Caesar, please? Because you looked like you were in love

with that glass. The Caesar is the alcoholic beverage that drinks like a meal. And it used to

be not selling it. Not selling it. That is not a good. It used to be the the what do you put

in a drink, the little like a celery. Oh, the stir stick. Yeah. Well, what do you call that?

A little, a little your hopes and dreams. A pepper. What gives what gives a drink? It's it's

panache. Oh, and then you put a little on the edge of the glass. Spritz. Oh, yeah. The rim.

We're going to have to plan the rim. That's what we're going to have to know. We're going to have

to look this up. Clam ring. It's like the decoration that comes with it. It's like, you know,

that's it. It's the garlic garnish. Thank you, Alan. Thank you. It's almost like it came to me

in a text. You're welcome. The garnish used to be a stick of celery. And then it became

olives. And then it became pickled like spicy pickled string beans. And then it became beef jerky.

And now it's like a fricking cheeseburger that sits on the edge of your glass. Yes. They've gone

they've gone too far. You're a traditionalist. You're a Caesar traditionalist. I'll eat that

cheeseburger. It's just going to make it the glass of the lopsided. Don't let go. But it's celery

salt and seasonings are around the rim. It is it's like a it's like a bloody Mary. Clomato.

Now I have introduced this to Americans who say who taste this and say, this is a confectionary

wonderful delight. I might be it's dancing in my mouth. It's savory. It's incredible. What is in

this? And I'll say, there's a little bit of clam broth in there. I think go. I'm not going to

have this account. I'm like, they just been just telling me how much they loved it. But it's it's

one percent clam broth in the to managers. That's fine. They put anchovies in a lot of things,

you know? Yeah. It's a new mommy. Yeah. It's a new mommy flavor. It's a new mommy flavor. Wow.

I would say that the best pastry I ever had in my life was a croissant. The first time I went to

Paris with butter. That's it. That's me too. I went on a food tour. I went to a place that just

had won the best croissant in the world. Oh my god. I bid into this thing. I had seven of them.

It was like crispy cream. I'm like, just throwing them down the hatch. They were hot. And ever since then,

especially no insult to Starbucks, like they do what they need to do. But when I look at that

bloated doughy croissant in the case, like they're quote unquote, it's a crescent. That's a full-on

crescent. It's a crescent roll. It's nothing to do with a croissant. I'm like, you bastard. How

do you rename yourself? Now, Felicia, you mentioned running into my brother and I in Toronto.

There was another city where I ran into you coincidentally. And it was such a coincidence that you were

not convinced it didn't happen on purpose. I don't understand how this happened. This is a really

good story, you guys. And it just goes to show that Nathan and I are supposed to, he could never

dump me as a friend because it's just, you know, the fate was like, no, you're connected. Sorry.

She's always going to be around a little bit. I was with my family and I was doing a convention,

MCM Comic Con, I believe. And we were walking in a neighborhood. I think it was what's a called

shortage. Oh, shortage. Yes. It was the hipster area. Oh, and I didn't know. My baby was like a year

and a half. And we're walking along this kind of hipster alley. And I remember distinctly walking

forward and then looking up. And as if it was a champion coming out from the mists in a fantasy

film, you're just striding toward me with your, you know, Nathan Panther walk. And you're just like,

I'm like, what in the, am I hallucinating? I haven't been sleeping because my daughter's trying to

kill me. But this is weird. Why is my friend here on no associative basis? You and your family,

they're on a art tour. Yeah. Just coming out of nowhere in London, when either of us knew we

each other where we're London and we're on the same exact street at the same exact time. But just

come on. Yeah. I looked over and I saw, I saw Felicia's red hair and I said, it looks like

that's Felicia. Oh, my God. I just kind of started smiling to myself. And this is crazy. Walked

over to her. They'll look on her face. You didn't walk. You pant their walk. He pant their walked

like a warrior out of a medieval, you know, from the mists. I just, I just was like, that's

fully, you know, that's the impression I get. And then he's pant their walking out of the mists.

Like an ex caliber. And then the conversation was me trying to convince Felicia. It didn't happen

on purpose. She's like, how did you know we were going to be here? We were almost going to turn left

back there. And I said, no, no, let's just go right. How did you know we were going to turn

right? Because I just made that choice just now. I was like, I didn't know that. Why don't you?

No, no, honestly, how did you? It was, I almost got the restraining order out right then. I'm like,

listen, I couldn't believe I've never had my mind blown like that. Like I've never believed in a ghost,

but maybe at that point, it was the ghost of, I was like, is he alive somewhere? He's just the

last thing he wants to say to me. He's departed the earth and yet his ghost is now saying goodbye to

his friends. Oh, and here's another little tie-in. The art tour we were on was a street art

tour of graffiti and street art with the incomparable Louis Jensen, who whose name you've heard in

the credits of this very podcast. He did the artwork for our logo. Oh yeah. Same got Louis Jensen.

He's like amazing. Also the art there is incredible. The art there is incredible. The tour

is fantastic, honestly. And he was there at the time when it was all happening. He's one of the

original guys and he had to leave town to go live in a cave in Spain for a little bit because he

was in trouble with the authorities and he had to wait for the each to die down. And we would pass

by other art tours. He'd be like listening in a little kind of leading him with his ear and say,

that's not right at all. The guy he's talking about wasn't here until the 1980s and he didn't do

that painting. It was another friend of his. I was here. I watched him do it. Like he had all

the inside bits and he was, oh, by the way, right we're standing right now is where Jack the

Ripper's number seven victim was found. Okay, let's go over here because it was the same neighborhood

where Jack the Ripper was doing his thing. Yeah, it was quite a tour. And then we walked into this

beautiful open square with those. These were great art pieces around and all this stuff is

another government. There's Malaysia. Panther walking out of the mist. I was like a chinchilla. I

would jump in like a chinchilla. It was one of the best moments of my life. If I would be like

top 10 memories, it's you just crashing my party, my existence in London. Give me a memory of Dr.

Horrible, something something about Dr. Horrible that stands out. Oh my gosh. So I don't know if you

knew this, but I was so nervous working with you and Neil. I was so nervous. And I wanted to

die inside every time we were and I didn't even know how to move my body sometimes. The first day

we were on the back lot, which I guess doesn't, I think it burned down. It doesn't exist anymore.

But we're in the back lot of the Universal Studios. And it was my first day working. And I will say,

I don't know if you knew this, but the hair woman was really, really mean to me. She was so mean.

Oh, she was awful to me. I sat down and I was already really nervous. And she, I was like,

can I have my hair curly? It was as if I asked for like a nose job in this, like I need you to

change my nose right now. She acted like, well, I'm just doing this a favor. And you want me to curl

your hair every day? I just don't know how that's going to work. And so she took what the little

confidence I had. And I was, I listen, I don't know who the ladies, I don't want to like

ruin the base career, but it was one of the worst. She was obviously having a bad day. I'll give her

that. So I had a bad day. And it was the one where I fall in the trash and you picked me up, right?

Yeah, I pushed into the trash. Exactly. And I was so nervous. I had to tell my body how to get

up off the ground and move, like move toward him. Just remember to move toward him. It was,

it got better after that. The first day was just a rough day. But I remember you being so kind,

so supportive. And like, I didn't even realize at the time that how extraordinary, I mean, I

didn't realize you were extraordinary, but I didn't realize at the time how generous you were as an

actor and a lot of actors in your position and of your stature would not necessarily have that

as a reflex. And you have it to this day, even being on the rookie. And it's not just me. It's

anybody on the set. And I just want to tell you that I'm just, I'm just glad that you're a

palleted who has not been corrupted. And you continue to have your heart in the world in a

lovely, positive way. And you've always been like that. And I know you always will.

I love how the role playing game, Nomenclature makes it into your daily speech. It makes me very

happy. The other thing is, is I can't believe anyone could be me to you. And the other thing is,

I'm so glad I asked because that's so many lovely compliments. Alan, were you listening to those?

I don't remember anything about ever interacting with Alan.

Wait, what?

No, I do. I remember Comman. I have so many memories of Comman. And I will say this is a really

terrible. But when you, and I'm not even kidding, when you prove to be really competent, I was always

impressed. Like what? He can do that. So is I. No, no, that's fair. Don't worry. He does not. He

does not exude that. I'm like, wow, he knows what he's doing. But always with the question

market being like, what? I don't know.

God bless you. And the last thing I'll make a comment about Dr. Horrible was, I was so tense

to be working with you and Neil because the two of you were such incredible singers.

I remember somebody asking you to tone it down a bit as far as the professionalness of your voice.

It's true. I went a little opera. No, I actually for the penny song, I was told to

sing out less. And there if anybody has not listened to the commentary track that goes along with

Dr. Horrible, which nobody knows about, but you can get on iTunes and the DVD. It's another like

10 songs that they wrote that go with the song. It's the musical commentary to the musical.

Exactly. And my song is all about me, like singing out and being operatic and also promoting myself

to the point of absolute obnoxiousness because I love the guild so much. And so Justin Shed and

Marissa and Zach made fun of me in the song. I know it's just, I mean, of course, it's all good

natured, but it was, it was true because I was obnoxious. And that's how I am here today.

Okay. So then con man, let's go to con man. Let's talk about con man a little bit because you

rocked that. Yes. You helped. You not only were great in it. You played a fantastic character.

You gave me that character. Yes. Good casting. Good writing.

I've had people dress like that. So the character, her name is Karen, which at the time, Karen

wasn't what Karen is now. No, no. But it was a reaction to there's a lot of hyper security around

cons with a lot of like fans end up in positions of security and running cons. And they're so

considerate to the guests, the actors that they will be like, come with me. Come with me.

Careful. That is way, that is way as if some people mean that you're going to be attacked or

you're going to be pounded. And it's never people in my experience have been not that. They've

been very friendly. And so you were one of those people and you had dressed exactly like I was.

When I meet you, you're already dressed exactly like I was so you can be a decoy at any time

to draw off any attackers. But you'd never met me. Some people had taken picture of me at the

airport. So you were able to put together an outfit that was exactly right. I was basically a

stalker, but a benevolent one. Yes. And you did a great job. And it was very fun. We had

Leslie Jordan in that. No, he wasn't in that episode. He was in the second season because you

came back second season. That's Leslie Jordan. You did bring me back, which was nice. Yes. And

that was when you were attached to Lou Ferigno for that episode. I was in that weird muscle suit.

And I was pregnant. But I hadn't told anybody. It was like five weeks in. And I almost fainted.

And I told DJ the producer. I was like, I don't want to tell anybody this, but I'm really hot.

And I have to go lay down because everyone was like freaking out. But it turned out, you know,

my, she's great. She's great. It, you know, I can blame anything on you. So she comment,

comment, cook to the child. Yeah, exactly. And Lou Ferigno muscle suit.

Oh, there were so many funny scenes there. And I just am so impressed that you directed like,

again, just like he could do this. He redirected and wrote it all. And just so funny.

There was a lot of funny stuff. That was a fun episode. That was the musical episode.

Where Lou Ferigno played in the, of my son, man, I'm with stupid. But Leslie Jordan was in,

hey, yeah, minister, there's a lot of fun. But I love that we found out you were pregnant because

you were, you were doing the same thing you did with my character where you were, you were going

to draw people away in case they attack him. So you were in a huge muscle, muscle suit. Yeah.

I'm Lou Ferigno. It was like summer. Yeah, it was summer. Oh, yeah.

But thank you so much. And you helped raise money. We were, I got to come by your house. You

gave me a rangatang doll just for fun. I kept that thing for a while. It looked like a baby,

but it was an orangutan. Oh, I remember that. Do you want to come to my house now? I so much more

trash. I'd love to give you. I'm moving. So we're trying to shed. Oh, okay. All right. Well,

if you ever need a baby, you know, rangatang again, I'll let you know, not real. That's not,

that's it. And then more crossplay, I came into the episode of the guild. I know.

Where one of your characters was like so super mean to me when I was trying to make like a

business connection. I was like, no thanks. Give me the hand. And as I walk away,

some little girl walks up and says, can you sign this? And I smack it out of my hand.

You were so funny in that. And you know, I'm writing the, I'm doing a reunion movie. We're

going to kickstart it this summer. And I was like, Oh, I have Nathan. Oh, we already

was in the thing. God damn it. It's already in the show. That's why you have me come back,

though. That's why. And to finish off what we have started with that angsty, yeah, I remember you.

Okay. Okay. Okay. It's a good pitch. If you become a, you can be a ghost and come to my house

and be like, you know what you need? Massager head. Does it have to be a guild?

It's, you know what? It was so fun. We just talked about like some of the most fun times I've

ever had making things. And all of them were things where we had a lot of control and not a

lot of oversight and not a lot of resources. But we were there just playing and making things together.

And, you know, that's the spirit. Like, that's what we're here for, right? I don't know.

Those were all memories that I would never forget and productions that I'm like super proud I was

part of. So I mean, you know, all my jobs I'm proud of. But when you're just scrapping it together,

it's kind of like, I don't know, there's something special about it. When young people come up to you

and say, or you're talking, you're in a position to give advice about the biz. Is that what you tell

them make your own, make your own thing? I'm always. So my daughter's like, I want to be a famous

singer, mama. And I'm like, I think it was from like just K-pop demon hunters. And I'm like, okay,

but you got to write your own music because you're not going to be a tool to the system. And she's

like, okay, mama, tool to the system. No, I mean, okay, pop is a great example of that because

the woman who wrote the songs was trying to be in the system. And then they were like, no, you

don't have it. Her story is incredible. And then she's like, listen, I got rejected and 10 years

went by and I went back to, you know, songwriting school. And then this happened. And, you know,

now she's like the biggest in the world. And like, and she did a quote that was really interesting.

Like rejection is just building character. And I was like, well, that's, that's a pretty good,

that's a pretty good fuel, man. It sucks, though. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good.

What is something the internet gets wrong about you every time? Oh, wow. Oh, boy, that's interesting.

That's a big question. I've never heard that. That I have any calculation in what I do at all.

I think I have an interesting career because I was one of the first like internet influencers.

And I think if I had gone really heavy into looking really cool and taking sexy photos and

all that stuff, there was a point at which I think I could have made a lot of money and been a lot

there, you know, like more people would know about me if I had gone like that traditional route

trying to be glamorous and trying to present my looks online. And, you know, I was one of the

first people on Twitter, like you said, and Instagram and all that stuff. And like, I never felt

comfortable putting those clothes on or being glamorous or like putting on the shell that is not

me, you know, like I don't want to put my effort into that, like look at my hair. I just don't

have that desire. And I don't like sitting the bar in a way like I'm putting on a false front,

but the reality is this. I always like, I'm really super honest. I'm just like here's the

here's the reality of it, maybe too honest. And maybe that maybe less high profile, but it

made me feel more authentic and true to who I am. And also it saved me a lot of money because

grooming is expensive. If you search Felicia Day, Nathan Filion in Google,

are you are we going to tell the world that my daughter is yours?

That's one of the things that comes up. I'm reading right now Felicia Day long before she became

the queen of geek culture reportedly dated Nathan Filion during the mid 90s. What?

That's one of the things that comes up. I was in New York in the mid 90s. I was under age in the

mid 90s. There we go. Thank you. Did not happen, you guys. I would say great. There's another

there's another one says we dated in 2017. There's yes. That was the year my daughter was born. So

for you to inseminate me, I guess we would have had to do something the year before. Clearly not

Oh my gosh. I think I think this is our opportunity to set the record straight.

We have never dated. We have never dated. I've never even put my hand in his crotch. Never done

like an Alan. I've never done an Alan on it. Isn't that weird? What rumor is it that you're

I mean, there's so many rumors about all of us. Alan, what's the one that you are most

afraid about? Oh, I don't I don't know. I guess I don't read a lot of stuff. I'm looking you up.

Oh, no, don't. I don't want to know. I try not to know. Just say rumors. Okay. I'm just

gonna see if there's anything. Oh, there's nothing. Really? I'm an open book. Squeaky. And it's

and it's a picture book. So you know, it's really not much to the you're open to return to star.

At least the most boring rumors I've ever seen. I love that you start. Oh my god. This I love

you get these things like on social media. They'll be like this actor would like to play Batman.

Okay. Who wouldn't want to play Batman? That's pretty great. I mean, what's your source for this?

Because it's not me. Okay. So anyway, for the record, my child is not Nathan Villan. So

yeah, we should say we're just going to set the AI record straight. Sadly, she does have good hair

though. So I don't know. Maybe something happened. She does have great hair. Better than mine. Nathan,

oh my god. But I think you get your hair from your mother though. You get your mother's hair.

You get your mother's hair. No, not my kid. I don't know where she got it, but I have thin,

thin hair. And she's got the thickest hair. And it has like curl. And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe

could be that I don't know who the father is.

Ask your husband. Wow. Do you still participate in the D&D of it all?

You know, I do. I have a question then. What is your preferred set of D&D dice because I know

they're pretty fancy. I have probably a couple hundred dice and my daughter stole them all.

She likes to play dice shop and have me play characters like, oh, I'm an old wizard and I'm in a

balloon part because I like I sensual like, you know, get them out and be like, what about these?

And I'm like, no, they're not icy enough. You know, so I do love. I have a composite pair that

has a bunch of minerals in it. It's all different colors. And I do like the ones that sparkle

with the really sharp corners that are like sort of like not 3D printed, but they're like cast

in clear resin. And they have like sparkles in the middle. And you can even have one where

they have a hole in the middle. You have glitter. And so it's like a glitter gel in the middle.

They are very sparkly. So liquid core. Those are my favorites. The ones that have the floating

eyes so that when you roll it, the eyes are always looking up. That's my that's my life.

Do you collect dice? Do you collect dice? I don't collect dice, but I do love online shopping.

And so when I find somebody who plays D&D, and this just happened to me on Thursday,

one of my friends said, who's been a guest on our show. Melissa O'Neill has started playing

a little bit of D&D. And I said, I'm going to set you up with some dice. I'm going to get

you a little roll tower where you've dropped in. And they'd come out into the tray at the bottom.

And yeah, I've got some fancy dice that you can play with. I have a set that is

HUNE from the bones of my enemies.

That's my understanding of Dungeon Dragons. That's about all. That doesn't seem

probably what it's about. Well, listen, if you ever want to play, I know some great

D&D's who will do all the work in LA. From the talent of a dragon. And I've seen these now,

these tables that you can use. It's like a touchscreen table computer of sorts where they'll

put the land up there in front of you. And is that frowned on in D&D?

I think it's whatever you want. I have a company that I work with called Lorscape. And they have

like almost it's almost like a Minecraft. They have the hex tiles they put together. And you

could lay them out. And my daughter and I we play a lot. Not really officially. She just lays out

the tiles and they're all different landscapes like swamp and desert. And our little characters

were going and she's like, Mama, let's search for treasure. And that's basically what we do. We

go shopping. But she sets it up. So they're like layers of these cool little hex tiles. And the

landscape is really three-dimensional versus like just a flat map. I think it's whatever you like,

man. There's so many different options. From the tailbone of a griffin.

Okay, I'm done. Thank you. Those are my dice. I would love to play with you. What would you

play? What would be your class, Nathan and Alan? Secondary thought. And also Alan. Just my preference

would be to be anything but human. If I get the opportunity to play a character, I just like

I'm human all the time. I would just make sure I don't want to be human. And anything I think

that lends itself easily to comedy so that I can throw in some jokes in there. So like a dwarf,

a halfling, a gnome, or you could be like a tiefling, which is kind of like a demon-y thing,

or an ogre, or you know, you want to be a big broody, you know, brrr, kind of person. I don't

know if I could be friends with a halfling, but you're never gnome. On it. Oh no. I have to

ruin everything. Yeah. Okay, Alan. I mean, I kind of was like in the halfling thing.

Okay. Well, you don't need to be friends. You can have what and half what is a halfling? Half

human half. It's a habit. It's like it's the way that they get around the habit with the hairy

feet. I don't want that. No, that's right. I don't want the hairy feet. I don't know like a thief.

Like I want to I want to be one of the I want to be one of the hairless arrow shooters with

so an elf like a elf thief, but also an archer. Okay. And also hairless. Oh, what is with the

hair, man? Well, I just I can't I don't know. The hairy feet just really put me off. What about

other party parts? Do you do you wax everything? I just need to know. If it grows, I'm trimming it.

If it grows, you got folks. I see people with must with like nose hair coming up. They're

nostrils. Hey, everyone in your life is doing you a disservice. You got to trim that.

Get the manual, get the electric, do something. Yeah, I'll do it. Do we do with Felicia

before we're done? Things we don't know about you? Oh, no, you know everything. You got

something you're funding pretty soon. You're going to do another movie. It's going to be a

Gilbert Union movie because it's our 20th anniversary next year. Congratulations. I know. And I

have the script and we're going to hopefully do a music videos more than one. We'll see how successful

it is. So it is available for sign up on the Kickstarter. And I have a page that I can give you

a link to so you can be notified first when it goes live at the end of June. You're getting the

whole gang back together. There's everybody. Everybody tell me that. What's what is that phone call?

Like you call it? Hey, guess what? We have a text message. Isn't it fun to get parties back together

though? You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, Hey, you guys want to do this? And everyone's like,

sure. And I'm like, great. That was easy. Because I, you know, I love them. And they they had a great

time on the show. And I did too. And yeah, hopefully we can make a movie. It's a weird time in the

world. But hopefully people will be like, Oh, yeah, I love that back in the day. Let's let's see

more of it. And it's a fun script. I'm excited about it. And I have a lot of other things planned

if we make enough money to make the movie. So I don't know to do extra stuff.

20 years is a long time. I mean, that you run the risk of somebody saying, you know what,

I've changed my life. I'm an accountant now. I got my real estate license. I've turned

to leave that behind me. I know. Well, if we don't make the Kickstarter, then I can always make it

as a podcast or a comic or you know, but I have a feeling. I have a feeling my heart. I have

a feeling my heart's going to well, you have a level of engagement too that people who are

interested in what you create are also interested in supporting that creativity.

Anthony fingers. Anthony, I'm saying it right now. Thank you. Oh, thank you, dear.

I'll donate. I'll donate. I was looking at you significantly. I will. Yeah, I will donate.

I will donate. Just sign up. I'll be in I think. I'll email in a thing in donate. I'll be

I'll play I'll play a character. Oh, that would be amazing. Yeah. Okay. I don't I don't I don't

I don't necessarily want to be me, but I'll play a character. Now listen, you'll do what I tell you to.

I'll play Alan. If you need Alan Tudick, and he's not going to play him, I'll play Alan Tudick. Yeah,

Nathan's got it. This is going to be the worst version of me ever. Oh my god. I can I can do a good

okay. Look at that. Look at that. I don't want to play another robot. What? That's not true.

Although I can't I can't fill out captures anymore. They're like make sure you're not a robot

and I can't they're like you don't even know how you don't even know how it does not compute.

Yeah, I'm like bikes. I don't see any bikes in there. It's never the piece of furniture you thought

it was. I was like I thought that was a wardrobe. What are you talking about? Who do I email to be

like that's clearly a wardrobe, sir, and or Madam? Felicia, is there anything you'd like to add that

we missed that you think, Hey, you know, we didn't touch on this. Wow. This has been a wonderful

this has been a wonderful time. I could do this for eight hours. You sound surprised. I have a

book that's coming out. And if you want a graphic novel coming out, it's called The Last Daughter

of Sparta. It's out March 17th. So I wrote it at the beginning of COVID. It took six years to get

out there, but how cool it's set in ancient Greece. And it's sort of a sort of a Hercules journey

for this obscure mythological character I found at midnight one day trying to overcome my insomnia

years ago while my daughter wouldn't sleep. So yeah, I wrote it. I'm really proud of it. It's coming

out in March. So if you think that might be up your alley. Who is your artist? Who did you get to

a woman named Rowan McCall? And I found her because I was looking through a hashtag called

Visible Women because I knew I wanted a woman illustrator for this book. And because it's very

female empowering, but also universal. My friend Will Wheaton said that he cried when he read it. So

she's incredible. And she's not, you know, she's just perfect for this book. It was a very

distinctive style I was looking for. And I just found her by going through the internet like a

thousand people. And I was like, that's her. That's her. So I hope people like it. Yeah, it's good.

My daughter read it in like an hour and was like, Mama, you need a glossary. And I'm like, well,

I'll give the publisher a note later for maybe. And what is it called again?

The Lost Daughter of Sparta. Lost Daughter of Sparta. The little, the youngest sister of Helen

of Troy, who's actually in mythology, but nobody has ever written about her. So I'm excited.

What's your daughter's reading list that she's throwing out words like glossary?

I mean, she loves reading. And when she was like two or three years old, I was reading her like

Greek myth. She's named after a Greek, you know, a Greek goddess, Kalyope.

So I want her to be a liberal arts major and support her for the rest of her life.

I don't want your life, mom. Yeah. And then she gets her real estate license.

Exactly. Or something that will actually support her.

No, I don't know. I mean, you guys are so good. I just think you're awesome.

And thank you for having me on. You're awesome. Stop it.

We go to treat. What a treat. Listen, I mean, I know we don't hang out constantly.

I'm still getting into the habit of hanging out with people after COVID.

I know. And you're so busy all the time. How do you, like, I just, again, I just sleep.

I don't see people. So have the time. I'm like, I'm getting better. I'm getting better.

And I got some time off coming up. Let's have a lovely time.

I would love that. And maybe Alan could come or not. Maybe not.

Alan also, Alan also plus Alan also. Alan, you're delight. And thank you for letting me

insult you the whole hour. It's funny. I think you're wonderful.

Lovely.

Thank you.

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