Only Weird Games 4/14: Why the Chiefs Might Take the Risk With This Top Prospect at Pick 9

You know, there's not many times that I'm here on this podcast and there's even fewer times

that I'm joined with Seth Kaiser on this podcast. Seth, how are you doing? It's been

been quite a minute since Josh has been on the program and I really think it all started

when we started to talk about how hot his mom was. I have noticed a direct correlation between

the number of mentions about Josh's mom and his absence from the show. And I figure I'll give

it one more before I'm going to call it a correlation causation thing. And you know, honestly,

the thing that I think this is getting lost in all of this that I think is most unfortunate

that I'm sure Josh would appreciate me bringing up is that, you know what, his dad's pretty hot too.

And so, you know, I feel like, I feel like Brad's really the one that's missing out in all this.

You know, guys got arms the size of my head. Good for you, Brad. Justice for Brad. That's what

this podcast is going to be. We're all going to be focused on justice for Brad.

Coming up, the latest episode of Only Weird Games. Here on KC Sports Network.

It's only weird games here on KC Sports Network. Tucker Franklin sitting in for Josh from

Prisco and Nate Taylor. I think I'm sitting in for both of them on today's program,

joined by Seth Kaiser. Seth, how are things? How are you doing? I'm doing really, really well. And

you know what, I've already enjoyed this more. Josh never asks me how I'm doing. You know,

even was just me and him. He always, you know, the thing. He always like says stuff. You know,

he's got jokes. He's a very funny guy. But he never is like, Seth, how are you? You know what?

I'm doing pretty good. Tucker, I'm having a pretty good week. So far, how are you doing?

I'm doing pretty well. We're getting much closer to the drafts. And I'm excited for that because,

look, it's no secret that we're kind of running out of things to talk about Seth.

Like there's kind of like a, we're getting into a shortage of things to talk about on

KC Sports Network just across the board. And to have some actual things to talk about like the

NFL draft and like the content that that will provide makes me excited more for that than what

the chiefs can actually add to their team. Obviously, I'm excited for that though too. Yeah, both

both are a good thing. Sure. And I would just say that's where like I'm feeling a little more

pressure. Like I just things just keep getting the way of the know your draft crush pieces.

And I'm like, man, I got to figure out a way to write another one before Tuesday because I think

I'm going to, I was going to write about David Bailey because I've only done one edge and I've

done a couple of receivers now. But here's the thing. Everything I've seen is like David Bailey's

not going to be there at night. Like a lot of people think that maybe he's going to be taking second.

You know, that's just he's a really traitsy pass rusher. And if the cheese were coached by anyone

with spags, I think most people would be like, oh, yeah, he's probably the first choice. Now I

haven't watched his film. We have watch beans and I love beans. But maybe Bailey is even better. I

don't know. You know, there's this dramatic thing there. But like anyway, long story short,

I'm going to try to look at him. But I think it's a lot more likely that they have a good shot at

KC conception. Yeah, nailed it. Well, I was due. And so I, I'm excited to look at his film because

I looked at Jordan Tyson and I really liked it. I know we're going to talk about that. I've looked

at McKay Lemons. I really liked it. I looked at Bains film. I really liked it. Now that's the great

thing though, because when your team's picking ninth, yeah, you get to go through a little bit

different caliber draft prospects than you would if they're picking 29th. And so I'm excited

as well. But man, I really do need to get conceptions film looked at before Thursday, because otherwise,

I think we're just going to have to talk about Josh's parents for the entire episode.

Right. Yeah. And that happens. We'll just be back to at least add to the cut to the discourse,

you know, so that he can at least at least have it to it. Have they always been this attractive

a couple? Like these are, you know, is who need answered? Are they late bloomers? You know, I,

jazz is more beautiful now at 29 and change than she was when I met her when she was 19.

Yeah. Some people, some people do that. Yeah. I have not. I have not. George Clooney did that.

Yeah. George Clooney. George Clooney better looking guy 40 than he was at 30. Very odd.

Good gene. I think we're good docs. Who knows? Yeah. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. Yeah. That's a great

hole. Now, I was going to say Brad Pitt because he was so handsome as old guy, but then you look at

like a river runs through it. And, and some of those other movies from early and you're like,

sure, okay, never mind. No, still good. Idris Elba. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's the,

kind of the other part too is a Idris Elba also kind of was like a good looking dude back

of the day too. So, I mean, yeah. Can't go wrong. Some, some guys really are just that handsome

their whole life. That's got to be a weird feeling. Yeah. Some guys, I actually, I watched a

Troy at theaters because of much older than you are. Good film. The, they, there were several women

in the theater that made an audible sound in a scene where he's like changing out of his armor.

And it was clearly one of those scenes where they're like, okay, Brad, we're going to need to get

super dehydrated for this and like, you know, whatever. And I mean, there were audible sounds

that was like, he's not even here. Yeah, right. What a strange amount of power to have in your abs.

So, yeah. I don't remember how we started talking about, oh, Josh's parents are good looking. So

that's something we can ask him about. Like, is this something like my, my son Tucker almost had to

fight his co-workers at Walmart because that's your mom and that never becomes a fun conversation.

Sure. And so was that his life where his buddies always like, well, no, when, when we just hang out

at Josh's house, you know, who knows? I don't know. Maybe that's why he was homeschooled. So he,

because his parents were always hot. So they're like, we have to homeschool. So we have to protect him

from the consequences of how beautiful we are as a couple. I, you know, what that makes. I think

I'm on to something. I think I think I'm on to something. There's a, there's a theory there,

for sure. We'll just have to ask him on a Thursday when he is back and on the show. I hope he's

all us into this, but I'm sure he is. We do have some actual news to get to though as on,

I believe it was Monday is when this was reported. Let me double check this here. April 12th. So what,

that was Sunday, right? Yeah. It was reported by Oliver Connolly of the read optional that Ruben Bayne

a projected top 10 pick at the 2026 NFL draft was involved in a fatal traffic collision in Miami

in March of 2024, according to reports and review reports and records reviewed by

Oliver Connolly. So let me just, I'm going to read the internet here. I'm going to read his reports.

You guys have all the information that I'm going to hand it over to lawyer Seth here to talk

about all this and the applications of it and also as well as the football side of things. We'll

talk about as well. So, Bayne was a sophomore at the time at the University of Miami is driving

under state 95 in Miami at 4 a.m. on March 17th, 2024 when his vehicle struck another car before

careering into a concrete barrier on both sides of the highway, according to police crash

reports reviewed by the read optional one of four passengers in Bayne's car destiny bets at 22

year old college student from Georgia, who was visiting Miami for spring break, suffered

incapacitating injuries and was rushed to the writer trauma center from the scene. She never

regained consciousness and bets died on June 13th, 2024 after spending almost three months

in a coma. A second passenger was also hospitalized with injuries. Two other, my university and Miami

players were in the car at the time of the crash. Wilson Bassant, who is a draft prospect and also

Najee Kelly, who is a draft prospect as well in the straf, both teammates in Bayne at Miami

and both eligible for the 2026 draft. Kelly did transfer to UCF after this, but

so may it's the police crash report states that Bayne operated his vehicle in a careless

or negligent manner following the collision with the second vehicle. Bayne's car owned by a company

named Miami sports 27 incorporated struck the east concrete wall before being redirected into the

west concrete wall where it came to arrest. It was later towed after sustaining disability,

disability disabling a damage. No field sobriety test was administered at the scene. Bayne

was cited for careless driving. That charge was dismissed approximately two weeks before

that stied whilst she remained in a coma. Multiple resources confirmed that they are aware of

this incident and are continuing to investigate. It remains unclear if this will affect Bayne's

draft position. And according to Trey Wallace, Bayne was again cited for careless driving in 2025.

That case was also dismissed because of a defective citation.

So there is a statement as well for a friend of KCSN, Cory Kennen shared a statement from Destiny

Baptist family that was put out there. As her family, we remain deeply committed to honoring her

in memory in a meaningful inappropriate way. Destiny's passing was the result of a tragic accident

that occurred several years ago, while the loss remains incredibly painful for our family,

we have worked hard to find peace and move forward. At this time, we are not seeking public

attention surrounding the strategy and respectfully request that our family's privacy be honored.

We also wish Mr. Bayne the best as he continues his life and career. Thank you for respecting

our wishes during this difficult time. Again, the careless driving charge against Bayne was dismissed

the second quarter, approximately two weeks before bed's death while she was in a coma. There's

been no finding of criminal liability in connection with the crash or her death. With that

Seth, thoughts on the whole situation? So I've been prosecuting for approximately six years in my

current type of role and then for several years at a different prosecutor's office in a different

town. So I've prosecuted a lot of careless driving cases. We talked about this with Rishi Rice's

case. Here's the deal. First thing's first, I haven't read the law enforcement reports.

I haven't met with the victim's family or the other party's family. And that depending on the

situation, sometimes it's a victim, sometimes it's another party. One thing that's worth knowing,

there's a few things. Minnesota and a lot of other states like Florida have a careless driving

statute. And generally speaking, it is kind of considered a catch all statute for when an accident

happens. There's almost kind of this presumption that had you not been driving carelessly.

There would have been a there would be a different type of there wouldn't have been an accident if

you had not driven carelessly in some way. If there's some evidence that you were driving like

there's specific conduct in Minnesota, it becomes reckless driving or criminal vehicular operation,

especially if someone is injured severely. And that's the big thing here. When there is a

severe accident like that and someone seriously hurt, there's no reports that he fled the scene

or anything like that, which would mean common practice in pretty much every jurisdiction I've

ever worked in, is that when that occurs and there's a serious injury to someone, usually law

enforcement performs field sobriety testing and get some kind of blood draw from the driver.

That would explain actually why a case remained charged out and then was dismissed after several

months because blood results come back. That's one possibility, but I don't know. I haven't seen it.

But the fact that it was charged out as a careless driving and not a criminal vehicular operation

when someone was injured that severely. And I saw reports elsewhere that there were findings

that he wasn't speeding. My wife driving on a relatively slick Minnesota road,

approximately a month and a half ago crashed the car, went into a ditch.

That happens. Now, I'm not saying that's what happened in his case,

but I will say that the fact that it's an unbelievable tragedy when something dies in a car crash.

I have helped with death notifications when I was helping as chaplain. It's a terrible,

terrible, terrible thing. But just because something terrible happened doesn't mean that someone

did something evil or even stupid and reckless with the Rishi Rice thing. I think I said the term

selfish, stupid and reckless about a hundred times in that podcast. There's a reason Rishi Rice

was charged with a felony and not careless driving because he was speeding because he was driving

recklessly and it resulted in injury to someone. And so even in Florida, they have other statutes

that they could have charged if there was some kind of evidence that it was directly his conduct

other than, hey, there was a crash. Careless driving gets charged out for crashes all the time

and then usually depends on what everyone's looking to have happened. So I look at that,

I look at the fact that it was charged out as a careless, not as a felony because someone got

hurt way worse and then died compared to Rishi Rice's thing. When someone dies, if we have the

ability to charge out a felony, usually we will. And I've often said that it's interesting to

me how much more serious people treat DWIs when someone actually gets hurt, as opposed to DWIs where

a crash occurs and no one gets hurt, as much more serious. But the only thing that changed is blind

stupid luck. And that's why just by the way, if you're ever impaired, please don't drive. Like,

that's just, you don't need to. We live in a world of Uber. There's no reason to risk it. So

with him, when I look at that case, and again, I know enough to know what I don't know,

and I don't know a ton of facts about this case. But I do know is we've got another party's family

who called it a tragic accident. In my experience, working with families of people who have died

in car crashes, if they think that it wasn't an accident, they don't say that.

Yeah. And the reality is maybe he was careless for a second and just paid a price and someone

else paid a much, much, much steeper price. That's super tragic. And the fact that he got

cited for a careless driving a year later is to me more that that would, I would have questions

for him about that because it's like, did you learn a lesson here? Like did you? And then maybe he's

just like, yeah, you know, because careless driving, I mean, crud, I actually just read about

a citation near me where someone was issued a careless driving citation because they were,

you know, going pretty fast through puddles in the target parking lot.

Careless driving is not generally a very serious charge. Right. Yeah. So that's that's kind of where

I land on it when I see when I see the type of charge despite the harm that was caused when I see

the fact that it was ultimately dismissed. And people love to say things like, oh, well, that's

how the criminal justice system works in certain states and things. I got to be honest, it doesn't

quite work that same way anymore. Most criminal justice systems are generally run statewide.

There's quite a bit of accountability in terms of you have to answer why you were dismissing

cases. Like, and then that doesn't mean there's not corruption. Sometimes it doesn't mean

the bad things don't happen. But that's the exception, not the rule. So I would just say between the

the nature of the charges that were charged, especially given the harm that was involved and the

fact that it was dismissed, the fact that the other person said tragic accident, that show goes

show that the people that do know the facts think it was a, it was just that, a tragic accident.

And then, which by the way, man, good on them, being willing to say, you know, we wish him,

we wish him nothing but the best moving forward is a testament to an incredible amount of grace

because even if it was just an accident, I don't, I would have a really hard time wishing someone

the best of the best moving forward knowing that they were involved because, I mean, I would assume

he was friends with the scale issues driving with him. And so like to me, so that's the legal side

of it, what I think looking at it with the always existing caveat. And man, if there's any aggregators

watching this because this has become more and more common, will you please, please not just take

a snippet of what I just said and post it without context. I mean, you can if you want, it's free

country, but I'll probably, I'm probably going to block you if that happens because this is a nuanced

conversation that's really easy to look callous. So that, that's just, you know, seems like a

weird threat to make, but I've just had that happen a few too many times. And most of the people that

aggregate this show are really well-intentioned people who are doing the best they can. So I'm sure

they wouldn't do that. But that's the legal side of it. I know what I don't know, but the people

that do know, call it a tragic accident on the family side, dismissed it on the prosecutor's side,

didn't find that he was speeding from the law enforcement. I'm assuming they did an accident

reconstruction. So I would just say there's a lot going on there. Yeah. And all of the things,

all of the things that are going on there point me towards now to, it's always weird to turn a

page. Sure. Yeah. And to talk about the football side of it, for me, that particular news would not

change draft stuff. It's not a DWI. It's not a domestic. It's not all sorts of things like that.

And so I would have questions for him and be like, hey, you got to talk about something tough.

What did you learn from that? Yeah. That's what I would want to know. That's the only thing,

if I were the team, that's the only thing I'd want to know. What did you learn? And see what he says?

I think that's a very fair thing. You've seen him take a visit with the chiefs. I mean,

just to literally a few days before this report came out, he was in Kansas City.

And it was reported, you know, Oliver reported that teams have known about this. And everyone

after it was reported, you had all these insiders come out and say, like, yes,

teams have known about this for a while. They've asked about it. They've asked about it. And the

majority of teams have been, his, his responses suffice to what they were looking for, I should say.

I don't know what to say. They're like excited about how he's a traumatic. Right. Right.

Like, it's like, oh, yeah, good job. But like, they've, they've been,

been thought his reaction has been appropriate. He was reached out for common for the story,

has not made a statement on this. So that's also important to note as well.

When you talk about the football side of things, I think it's really easy. From a chief's

fan perspective, knowing how the chiefs construct their roster and knowing the types of

individuals that the chiefs currently in the past have had on their roster to look at a situation

like this and think that, oh, it sounds like he's going to be, it sounds like he's a chief.

It sounds like if he's going to fall there, like the chiefs aren't going to be afraid of that,

a little bit at all. I don't think that's totally unfair. What I do think is unfair, though,

what I don't think we should do is be in the business and be in, I see this in the comments a lot.

And I've seen it on Twitter, too, of let's compare his tragedy, his accident to

Rishi Rice or any other player that is that I think let her me tonsils the example that they

used in this one with the gas pass incident. I don't like doing that. Like I don't like to like,

well, this is actually worse than what this person did because who are we to say what crimes are

worse? I mean, I'm not a judge. So I can't do that. But I think that for people to be out here being

like, oh, how come this is being treated so differently than Rishi Rice? I think you need to look at

responses from the individuals. I think that's a very important thing to look at. It appears that,

I know we did say that he had a second car this driving charge in 2025, like the year following,

but it was dismissed. So there's nothing else really coming out of it. It seems like, and again,

I think that you brought this up. The the Betts family, their statement saying that like it was

it was an accident. It was a tragedy is also very different than going a hundred miles an hour

down a freeway in Dallas, Texas and then running away. And it's very different than having the

allegations that Rishi Rice has had against him previously and previously before that incident. And

after that incident. So I don't think I think that context is is massive in all of these things.

And the context surrounding this coming out was at 10 days before the draft is supposed to take

place is a little bit of a bummer for Ruben Bain, especially when, as I mentioned, Cory can

and release that that full statement from the Betts family. They didn't want that story out before

the draft. They wanted that they wanted that story to remain in house before the draft.

Yeah. And that's I understand reporters have a job to do. So I get it. Maybe not the decision I

would have made, but I don't know this reporter. And you know, it's not my job to when you learn

news, you learn news. It is the timing of it is a little weird, especially when you hear reports

of multiple teams that are planning on trading up for potential ad Russia. Yeah. And look,

if you think, and I'm not saying this is what's happening here, but if you think the NFL teams

haven't floated stuff to try to tank someone's draft stock, let me tell you they absolutely have.

I would, I think you're completely right about context being key about things being different.

It's kind of similar to like, you know, well, when like when patching my homes was coming out of

college and it's a very different type of a scenario, but it's a, it's a similar type of logic.

Well, you know, other Texas tech quarterbacks, you know, coming out of air raids haven't been any good,

why would my homes be? It's like, well, because he's a different person with a different skill set,

who did different things and has different traits mostly. And that's the same thing when,

and I get asked this question a lot, because as a prosecutor, every prosecutor as the office does

things differently, some have kind of standard offers. I've always kind of, I think you should have

some kind of standard that you look at that you maybe don't go above or below a certain range.

But I've always kind of, I've heard that and I've told people every case, you know, on one hand,

once you prosecuted like one DWI, you've prosecuted them all in some ways, but every one of them is

a little bit different. And that's when someone's like, well, what makes this different? It's like, well,

the location, the people, the order of events, what transpired before and after it, like what,

in what ways are they the same? A car crash. Okay. So we have one something like, it's kind of like,

and I won't, like, go down two part down this rabbit hole. But it's when someone tells me that,

like, and you know, this is fine. We can always have fun debates about this kind of thing.

So I'm like, you know, all religions of the world are the same. I'm like, not really. Like, no,

there's a lot of differences between Hinduism and Christianity. Like, well, they all have like,

they all believe in a higher power. Okay, there's one. Now let's talk about the 7,000 things that

are different. And so that's kind of things are very different there. Um, I just, the timing of

it does seem a little suspect to me in terms of, you know, who would benefit. And that feels a

little gross for me. And especially when you read, when I read the comment from the family,

they already were going to struggle. His name come up as much as it sounds like they've forgiven him

and moved on. Having to like, whatever, that would be a, that'd be a real bummer.

Yeah. Uh, I think so too. So we'll see how this, uh, affects his draft stock if it does at all.

Because it seems like a lot of the teams have been okay with how he's responded to this and

his, his answers have made sense. They've kind of, uh, these teams are doing their due diligence.

And I would assume that he still will remain a top 10 prospect in this, uh, this draft class.

The way it is. But, uh, Seth, let's go ahead and take a break. Let's go ahead and pull the trigger

on this one. Uh, we'll take a break. On the other side, we're going to go back and talk about

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have been pretty polarizing, I think. You either really love Jordan Tyson or you really don't

like Jordan Tyson. When you first, I want to start from the very beginning. When you turned on his

film, did you have any, I guess, do you have any preconceived thoughts going into it before you

flipped on a tape? Did you hear anything about it here in the Rebels? Did you think you were going

to think one thing and then thought the other? Well, the beautiful things about knowing absolutely

nothing about college football is that I have no preconceived notions about anything. It's great.

I will never forget, I don't remember what year it was, but I was looking at wide receiver prospects.

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Yes. And that he's maybe like considered like he was considered maybe like going into the season

people were like, you know, oh, you know, this guy might be the number one overall, you know,

wide receiver guy. And that was my understanding is that he was kind of considered the consensus guy

moving into the season, even if it didn't quite stay that way. You know, you had an injury,

he played hurt, all that stuff. So I didn't really have any preconceived notions. And so that's

the same with Mackay Lemon. I'm like, yeah, cool. Like sure, I have no idea. Like Carnell Tate,

I haven't been able to avoid takes on. But that's just because it seems like everyone agrees

about Carnell Tate. Yeah. And so I didn't have any preconceived notions. And it was exciting to turn

on the film and see a guy who wins the way the way that Jordan Tyson wins from all over the field.

He can line up anywhere. He can do boundary. He can do slot. He can separate at all three levels.

He does, he's got unique physical traits in that, you know, for guy who's six, two, two,

five or so, he's actually pretty lean still. I personally think he'd be a better player if he threw

on like, and I think he's 21 or something like that. That sounds right. Yeah. If he threw on five to

10 pounds of muscle, I think he'd really benefit from that. And he's got the frame for it. But he has

really, really high level four traits that all work kind of together. Yeah.

He has high level, like none of them are like Uber E. Lee, but they're very high level. He has

very high level quickness, like change of direction. He has very high level acceleration. He's got

high level smoothness and he's got high level top end speed. There's actually another trait that he has

that I'll talk about in a little bit when we talk about maybe route running stuff. But those four

traits don't generally go together in one prospect, early guy who's six, two, two, four, two,

five. Usually guys that are really, really quick aren't really that smooth. You know, they're more

like, do you think like Lad Maconkey? He's quick and fast, but he's not smooth, right? Right?

Or you think like Skymore is very smooth, but not fast and didn't accelerate well, right? He

had some quickness, but he didn't accelerate well and his play strength was just not good. So

with most guys, you don't get all of those things together. And the thing about those,

I don't even want to know what you just saw in the comments if anything.

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it's always tough. So he utilizes those traits to separate well at all three levels.

He can separate shallow stuff. I mean, he can run really mean sense. And you know,

everyone can get open on on on on whip routes if you're matched up one on one. But give me the

guy that can get a clean release matched up one on one and get open into a slant.

Um, give me give me a guy like that who can do that. Um, he can open up intermediate. He sets

up routes really well. He's got like he does it times, I guess rush the process a little bit

or throw a few too many fakes in there. Um, you can tell. I mean, but he he's very intentional

with his movement. He's excellent with head fakes. And he sets stuff up well, whether he's

running shallow, intermediate or deep. And that makes him really a handful to deal with because he

can separate deep and he can stay separated. He's got the acceleration to walk away from a corner.

Get that. You know, if I'm even I'm leaving thing, he's got the deep speed to maintain that.

And he's got the agility to get off the line. He's got good length too to where he he does a pretty

good job overall. He doesn't need to up his play strength, but he does a pretty good job overall

fighting off contact with his off hand and freeing his hands. And like away from contact.

Now he he relies on freeing himself from contact. He's not going to run through it. He's not like

Drake London or something like that, who I always laughed watching Drake London snaps when

guys would press him and he's just like, no. That was always awesome to watch and Drake London's

a great player. Like that would have been awesome. But he just to me, he's a guy that when you're

watching, all the traits are there. If coached up well to be a legitimate pretty high end wide

receiver one, there's the injury concerns. Absolutely. And that's a big, big, big deal. And the

the one that scares me those because you had the ACL MCL PCL. Okay, that's a bummer. And then it

took him kind of like two full years to really come back from it. But since then he's shown great

explosion, great athleticism. So that one doesn't worry me. The collarbone thing. Look, that's

that's just bad luck. Sure. The hamstring thing lingering throughout the year and affecting his

and he played through it some games. Like I think it was against tech was the game I watched

read kind of he had some huge catches down the stretch. But he was clearly playing hurt.

And so there's good in the bad there. You know he'll play through it. But when hamstrings take

a long time to recover, that makes me super nervous. And the fact that he couldn't work out of the

combine. And he couldn't work out at Arizona States pro day. That freaks me out. So that

really is the biggest thing. I don't know if I agree. I haven't watched carnal tates tape yet.

I don't know if I agree that he'd be wide receiver one with no injuries. But I would put him above

Makai lemon. Lemon's better. Lemon's better after the catch. Yes. Jordan's 2024 after the catch

tape was better. But I think he was playing hurt. But he he's not as good after the catch as

Makai lemon. And he actually doesn't he's not as good at the catch point. Lemon is he's got

long arms for his height and he has really strong hands and he'll catch through contact. Absolutely

fearless. Jordan Tyson, even though he's got a good frame and he can make some spectacular catches

through contact is more of a problem for him. So I don't know. I just drove through the entire thing.

I'm used to like Josh interrupting me with questions, which is always great or Nate making

a sound like a baby seal. And so I don't know how to stop. I'm going to need you to stop me. This

is why they have to. Right. Yeah. No, I'm glad that you worked all the way through that. Because

one of the things about Jordan Tyson is that if you just if you had no context about who

Jordan Tyson was or what he did in college and you just watched the tape and you didn't know

anything about the entries, I think all cheese fans would be like, wow, this dude is this dude

would be all he's going to be there. No, I didn't really it seems like he will be there. No,

I'd be surprised if he isn't really at this point. Right. Especially without like the the draft's

rumors are kind of swirling around at this point. You would be ecstatic with this guy. But the

biggest thing is those injuries. And that's the thing that kind of turns me off a little bit from

from Tyson is those injuries. And that's the risk. That is the risk with Jordan Tyson is you

are going to get a guy who looks like a phenomenal wide receiver could probably be a wide receiver

run. But is he going to stay healthy? Yeah. You don't know that. And it's that's a hard risk to take

at pick number nine. At pick number nine, you want to make sure that that guy is going to be

healthy. And he's going to get some actual legit playing time for you when it comes down

to Tyson and all that. But look, I mean, he's kind of a little bit like a wide receiver that

like the chief's like to just kind of like how he how he does things. And it's like you could see

him fitting in the chief's office. I think when you're looking at all of this wide receiver class

as a whole, it just the most plug-and-play guy I think is McCoy lemon. When you like look at it,

you're just like, Oh, yeah, I see how exactly how the chiefs would use him here looking for tickets

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thought this was funny from Nate Doug. Can he run mesh? You know, honestly, if they want someone to

run mesh a bunch, give me McCoy lemon all day. Yeah, right. Yeah, McCoy lemon. McCoy lemon won't

just run mesh. He'll lay out a defensive back in there. And he'll also he really that the the

the Doug Baldwin comparison that Danny Kelly made. I was like, that's a great one. And let me tell you,

I'll take a guy like Doug Baldwin all day. Yeah, he's not quite a true wide receiver one. Wow,

it is peak. He was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When if he's your wide receiver one and you've

got a good wide receiver, two, you're fine. Like, but like he and like in the Amman Ross St. Brown

comp for McCoy lemon, I really like fearless over the middle. So yeah, if you want a guy to run

mesh well, run some of the route combinations, take over the yak stuff, do some of the Rishi,

rice stuff if you don't think he's going to be around. Absolutely. I get it. I do think Jordan

Tyson has a better chance at being a top, a top 10 wide receiver or top 15 wide receiver.

I think McCoy lemon has a perfectly good chance of being a top 20 wide receiver. And if that's

your wide receiver one and per by perfectly good, I mean for a draft pick, right? Sure. Yeah,

that's, you know, because there's always those things and I haven't looked at Carl Tate yet,

um, in part because there's seems to be a consensus about him. Yeah. Um, and I'm excited to see

that. But the thing about Tyson that I do like he shows he can separate consistently. Yes. And

that really is it. That's what I like about McCoy lemons film as well. He separated well against man,

but I will say there were a couple of matchups. And I know what smarter people than me have said

that a few of Jordan Tyson's matchups, you know, he he wasn't able to free himself. I didn't see

that in any of the games that I watched with McCoy lemon. There were times where really physical,

quick corners could give him problems. And I know the the corner from I want to say Notre Dame,

guys a sophomore. Yeah. Um, I did what I mean, he was unbelievable. Like that was actually one of those

because someone asked me like, well, why did this guy shut him down? And I went back and I looked

at the game and I said, well, because he's better. Yeah. And that guy in that guy, I don't know anything

about him, but I'm assuming he's corner back one for his draft class because he his tape was

phenomenal. So those things I I just with with the cheese need what they need right now,

some of what lemon does Xavier Xavier worthy does some of what lemon does where she writes does.

And that's some of what you do some issues to you used to do. Um,

either McCoy lemon does some of that stuff too. But like Jordan Tyson does things that

none of those guys do. Absolutely. If you wanted to got get a guy, like you said, plug and play

is lemon. But if you wanted a guy who tomorrow could line up as your backside X and you're making

a team for matching him up one on one, which by the way, there were three or four different games where

Arizona State either was playing slightly from behind or as tie game late and the fourth and he

kind of took over. That's important. And when one of them was against, I think it was Ole Miss,

like where it's not like these are like programs that never put out good corners. Yeah.

And he they just went back to him over and over and over where you just can't, you just cannot

put him on an island in man coverage. Generally speaking, unless you've got someone who,

and this is a great comment, by the way, from Jayben Carter, even Jim R. Chase and Justin

Jefferson get clamped down from time to time. It does happen. No one wins every matchup except like,

like, did Randy Moss ever lose an individual matchup? I don't think so. Probably not. Yeah.

But he maybe just had an off day, you know, whatever. But that's where, to me, Jordan Tyson addresses

a harder to find need than then, then McCoy lemon and maybe even Carnell Tate, who again,

whose film I haven't watched yet. I also haven't watched Casey Concepcion. I know a few guy,

like Ted Wynn with the athletic, who I respect as much as anyone in the tape review field. He likes

Concepcion over lemon. Yeah. And I think Maddie lanes in his final

White receiver ranking. So he's got Casey Concepcion as like, White receiver three and the draft.

So in my understanding, and this is unfortunately, I'm starting to hear more and more,

was that it's for a similar reason with Tyson is that he separates at all three levels.

And that's what the chief's need. The chief's need a guy who can separate from man.

And every team needs that, by the way. But the chiefs have a couple of guys who can do some

other really important things really well. They need a guy that can do what Travis Kelsey used to do.

Yeah. Or what or what Tyrie Kill used to do. And honestly, the longer the more time goes by,

the more I'm like, they're just going to sign Tyrie Kill aren't they? Like that's going to happen.

He's going to agree to come back for like five million. So that way his child support can go

away down. Sure. Yeah. It's a terrible joke. I'm sorry. But it is income based.

And it sounds like from the comments, Bruegler, that's Dan Bruegler, who was with the athletic

does the beast every year, probably I'll do respect everyone we know. And they would say the same thing.

Probably the most respected draft analysts. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, no one does. That guy would be

hired by a NFL team tomorrow. If he was interested, he comps Tyson to Stefan Diggs, which is an

interesting comp. It's an interesting comp. I would say younger Stefan Diggs,

that ability to separate at all three levels with enough deep speed and enough smooth,

like having high level, but not quite elite, all four of those traits. And this other thing that

Diggs has, wow, I'm sorry, I'm just repeating comes up. Harman from reception perception has KC

conception at number two, not Dan Harman, Matt Harman, and Matt Harman does terrific work.

So man, I'm going to be so biased heading into this because so many people I respect like

conception. I would say one more thing with Tyson, he's really, really flexible, weirdly flexible.

His hip and ankle and knee flexibility allows him to dip around and through contact at the line

of scrimmage and throughout his routes in a way that is unique. And you add all those things

together. And I really do see a guy who could be a wide receiver one. Man, now I'm excited to watch

conception on two because I didn't know Harman thought that highly of him as well. Yeah, because that's

you know, those are those are two of the people that I would ask. I was looking

stuff. But Tyson, it really is a unique skill set. Number nine, that's an incredible risk though.

Yeah. Because you don't, when you're picking number nine, yes, you're thinking ceiling,

but you got to think floor a little bit too. Absolutely. And that's where like, you know,

that's where you you can't like if they were just only carrying about floor, you know,

then you could take a George car loft as at nine because everyone like you watch this film is like,

that guy's going to be a solid pro. But you want a certain amount of of ceiling there too.

But the floor is scary with him because hamstrings, lingering green, is an incredibly difficult

thing because that that's generally not going to get better as you get older. But maybe it's

a one time thing because there are Tyree Hill would have hamstring issues and then there'd be like

a year that would go by nothing. So I don't know. This brings up the question here from Stephen

Holman. I saw and I thought was interesting. If it'll pull up on screen, maybe it won't,

maybe it will there. Okay. Okay. Would you rather trade up for Ruben Bain or trade back for Tyson?

It depends on how far back like how much value you're willing to get. I the the thing with Bain

and you don't want to draft for need. But the cheese defensive end spot is about as close as you

want to get to it. Felix is the Felix right now is DN three. So that's and you're counting on

second year guy, Ashton Jaladi who didn't move the needle much as a past pressure last year being

DN two. And I liked I liked Jaladi's film a lot. Like I know a burglar actually replied to me when

I was talking about Jaladi was watching his film was like, he's really good. And he said at this

dude's arms were two inches longer, he would have gone in the first round. But it's not just Jaladi,

it's not just a lack of arm length because the Ruben Bain thing, but his wingspan and the way he wins

because he's not, he doesn't have Ruben Bain's bend. Yeah. And that that matters a lot. So I just

relying on that as a lot. Like even if they went and signed Cam Jordan tomorrow and maybe raised

the floor and ceiling a little bit, you're still looking at a defense that was awful on third down

last year. And unless the past rush gets better. And sure, I know I'm sure they're counting on

ONL to come in and make an impact. And Jaladi to come in, you know, improve a little bit. And

that'll help. Let's say Jaladi improves 5% ONL comes in and is okay. Yeah. That'll help. That'll

make a difference. But you're still not where you want to be. So for me, I think I would rather

trade up a little bit for Bain than trade back a little bit for Tyson. Now if you're asking,

oh, would you rather trade up to number two for Bain and give up your first next year or trade back

to 20 and still get Tyson and get another first round or next year. Well, then probably Tyson.

So yeah, the answer is it depends. I think that's a great point. I know there's the Cowboys

that sound like they want to move up. The Cowboys could be a trade back candidate with the chiefs.

We know that they have tried to be in conversations for trades before in the draft. And they really

wanted Mozzie Smith. They had to have Mozzie Smith, so that worked out really well for them. And

the increasingly the murmurs and the buzz around the giants trying to move back. And it's been

chiefs and giants linked together. If it is, if the chiefs move up, I think they have to move up

to at least six where the Cleveland Browns are just to get around the commanders and saints who

both of those teams have very similar needs to the chiefs. So if they want a guy that they don't

think is going to make it through the commanders through the saints, they got to get up to five,

they got to get to six. Those are probably the two spots you're looking at right now. You're

looking at maybe back to 12. You're, or you're looking up maybe up to five or six. Like that's kind

of the trade spots right now. The compensation wise, that's more of a Ken Swanson question.

Ken Swanson, Ken Swanson will tell you all about that trade and the analytics as well. Back on the

the wide receiver ring, usual click before we wrap this one up here. Maddie did have KC

conception as wide receivers three in his class with my Kylim and one carnal tape two Jordan Tyson

four is how he had that and Jordan Tyson and KC conception in the same tier. I pulled up the KCSN

draft guide. Well, I mean, I love me some KCSN draft guide to get all of what they were thinking

and their player comps are so fun with these when I look back at these. Jordan Tyson player comp is

a mecca Buka for him this year. And I thought that that was kind of interesting because I'm fairly

young guy in the league, but you can see how those two translate as well for a Makai lemon

Antonio Brown. Good Lord. On field. Yeah. Hopefully. I will say, I mean, Antonio Brown on field was

one of the best receivers I've ever watched. We're going to forget how good he was as a football

player because of how insane he is. Yeah. I mean, un, uncoverable. Yeah. Uncoverable. I mean,

no one no one had success against him. I just unbelievable player. And that's the thing like

Antonio Brown is a good example of if if you have certain other traits, you can have good athleticism

if it's all the way across the board. Kind of similar to what we're talking about with Jordan Tyson.

Some of that applies with with Makai lemon who is not an elite athlete in any one area,

but he's above average in all these areas and is a technician. And that can go a long ways

towards learning to open up. Well, Seth, Josh isn't here and Nate's not here either.

So I don't think that we've got to go an hour. And I don't think we need to go an hour. We can

they're letting the kids play today. So we'll go ahead and we'll tap out at 50 minutes here

for you guys. Appreciate everyone watching, listening, liking and subscribing here to all the

word games. Josh and Nate should be back on Thursday. You won't have to deal with me again,

hopefully for quite some time. But Seth, I think you got to get us out of here.

Well, I've actually, while we've been talking, thanks to the request in the comments,

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