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Jamie & Jaeden discuss the potential security risks and viral nature of OpenClaw (also known as ClaudeBot or MoltBot) and a real-world incident where it deleted a Meta AI researcher's entire email inbox. They also explore practical uses for OpenClaw for businesses and creative projects, alongside crucial advice about responsible usage to prevent data loss.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Claude Bot and Security Concerns
02:53 The Viral Nature of Claude Bot
05:48 Practical Uses and Recommendations for Claude Bot
08:57 Open Source Alternatives and Future of AI
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Well, if you've not heard of open claw yet or clawed bot or molt bot, which are all through the same thing,
you may be living under a rock today.
We're talking about how there may be some security concerns.
What's the big deal with clawed bot?
Why should you be paying attention?
Specifically an AI meta AI researcher said that open open claw took her inbox or email box and basically destroyed it.
So we're going to get into that today.
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All right, let's get into this story of what's going on with AI.
This was actually a meta AI researcher security researcher named summer you she posted on X and it's a very painful post.
I've seen other similar ones, but it says nothing humbles you like telling your open claw.
Confirm before acting and watch it speedrun deleting your inbox.
I couldn't stop it from my phone.
I had to run to my Mac mini like I was diffusing a bomb.
And then she could see from her phone like basically everything it was doing.
And yeah, it was going and deleting her entire Google her entire Gmail inbox and giving her updates along the way of everything it was working on.
She then messaged it and said I asked you to not action on anything until I approved you remember that it seems you were deleting my emails without my approval.
And I couldn't get you to stop until I killed all the processes on the host like like literally going and unplugging your cloud bot so that it can ruin your life.
And it said this said yes, I remember and I violated it.
You're right to be upset.
I bulk trash and archived hundreds of emails from your inbox without showing you the plan first or getting you're okay.
That was wrong.
It directly broke the rules you set.
I've already written it into memory dot md as a hard rule show the plan get explicit approval then execute no autonomous bulk operations on email messages calendar anything external.
I'm sorry it won't happen again.
Jamie give me your actions golden.
I mean to be fair her her prompt was let's see what you said she told open cloud to check her overstuffed email inbox and suggest what to delete her archives so I mean I don't know I think a little bit her fault maybe but I would never give
an open call or whatever you want to call it cloud bot access to my email which I think is the whole point of this of what we're talking about is there's obviously some security risks here.
You're basically giving a AI full access to to a computer to act on your behalf so there's lots of things that can go wrong including this.
I think you know we saw a tweet earlier from Elon Musk about about open cloud it was basically like giving a monkey an AK 47 that was the pictures like this monkey's holding a gun pointed back at himself like this is oh yeah people giving open cloud root access to their entire life and then a picture of a monkey holding a gun anyways it's yeah it's not a good idea but
Jaden why is I mean why is cloud bot been so viral why is it getting so much attention what do you think is the the benefit here are you going to try it.
Yeah okay so the short answer is yes I 100% I'm going to try this I was just looking at mac minis yesterday does it have to be a mac mini no but their M4 chip is good for it and you can get a mac mini for like 600 bucks so
and also by the way this is like the thing that annoys me the most is just feels like apple has done a horrible job of keeping up with anything to do with AI they just I feel like really keep missing deadlines my apple intelligence I was promised never arrived my AI updated Siri keeps getting delayed for years and years so I'm annoyed apple
and I think that annoys me the most is that I think they're actually going to make like mac minis were sold out everywhere after open cloud is kind of going viral because everyone was running them on like you on a mac mini.
And so anyways it seems like apples actually going to make a ton of money from AI just because they have some hardware that works good for it so anyways that's funny and annoying to me because I feel like they should not we should not reward apples bad behavior guys seriously I'm not want to talk.
In any case why do you need to buy mac mini for this exact reason giving you know and by the way if you're watching on on YouTube there's a link in the description to YouTube you can see we're sharing the screen for all the tweets and all the stuff we're talking about but
yeah in this picture of hand in an AK 47 to a monkey and giving it root access to your entire life it will do things like to leave all of your emails so what should you use open cloth for that's exactly why you would want to theoretically buy mac mini but also I have other options by the way so you don't have to spend 600 bucks to try this thing out.
But you want to give it a clean computer that doesn't have access to all of your files your folders everything I heard from another person they ran open cloth and their wife was a photographer and she had like folders on her computer that for some reason had been
backed up to iCloud or maybe it deleted them from iCloud to all their family photos for like last 10 years and open claw went and deleted all of them and that was brutal so like don't guys we beg you do not give it access to your main computer.
But if you must and you don't want to buy a mac mini another great option those you can just make another user account on your MacBook or on your computer and install it on another user account just don't put it on your main account with all your files and folders and passwords and everything on there.
But if you go put it on a separate account that's fine what is it useful for what do people run it do with it I've seen a lot of people that they essentially give each instance of open claw like a different task and they treat it truly like an employee and they give it like its own email and they say you know it's like good if you're doing like prospecting and I've actually recently gotten an email from somebody I'll actually go find this whole Twitter thread in a second but I got an email thread from someone or email recently from someone I'm pretty sure was using open claw.
You give it a task right you say hey like I'm prospecting for clients that do XYZ I've logged you into my LinkedIn or maybe if you're not so brave you go log it into like its own LinkedIn account right.
And you have it go and prospect send messages send emails you know go do lead capture go do email scraping like all these tasks used to hire maybe a virtual assistant or an intern for I think it can crush and even a lot of things that you'd hire an employee for you just give it a task and it goes and completes them.
And running it locally on your own computer there's a lot of benefits to that.
But yeah overall I think this is awesome if you are tying it into an API for something like clawed or open AI it can use up a lot of credits so it can technically be expensive.
But probably a lot cheaper than a real person you can run this in 24 seven and never ask take breaks so there's a lot that you can do with with a 24 seven kind of agent assistant that is pretty good as of the latest updates from open AI and anthropic opus 4.6.
And GPT 5.2 now that they can do kind of these agent cluster tasks they're way better and I think it finally is the moment where these types of tools are actually useful today.
Well one thing you said that is another potential use case you know for the Mac mini if you're going to actually go that route is that you said you're you spent over $1300 last month on 11 labs.
But if you were to get a Mac mini now there's this new Chinese equivalent that's almost just as good you're saying.
That could run locally on the computer right with them for chip.
Yeah so there's there's yes exactly so there's a lot of different things that you can do that I would also recommend if you're going to go down this running your own local hardware.
One is called when three TTS text to speech it and it does voice cloning is what I absolutely love about it and there's actually an app that you can download specifically that I just got which is called I believe it's called voice box.
And it runs this it's amazing you basically give it three seconds of audio and it will clone your voice I used it for a new podcast network series that I worked on.
Which is sleep history so listening to like two to four hour long podcast episodes to help you fall asleep.
I saw a bunch of people doing this and wanted to try it out and it has been working very good but the problem is if you generate a two to four hour long.
The podcast episode clone of your voice on 11 labs it's like 60 bucks and you got to do one every day so 60 bucks a day like you got to get your ROI right and so.
Especially the beginning doesn't really make sense but you can use something like when three TTS open source running locally on your computer without having to get an API to another company and you can generate stuff so there's a lot of cool open source models and reasons why I'd recommend using open source models that's a big one.
I do have to say there is another awesome picture that got posted in the Twitter thread of Elon of Elon tweeting about open.
Open claw and it is a monkey from planet of the apes growling with a rifle over its shoulder and it says open claw after securing admin control anyways the memes are too good.
That's funny yeah I don't know I'm tempted to get one myself I I don't know I think I would have to make brand new emails I wouldn't want to have access to email any kind of account I would maybe give it access to my LinkedIn but other than that I don't know it's it's it sounds a little scary but also the opportunity seems like it could be definitely something I that could benefit anybody so.
Yeah overall I think this is an awesome tool I would recommend trying but don't give it access to all of your life or you'll probably end up in this same type of situation.
The last thing I will sell and on is polymarket tweeted and said according to polymarket there is a 10% although yeah there's a 10% chance that AI will be charged with a crime before 2027 why are people betting on this I don't know but it's only 10% guys so we're probably safe we got a 90% chance that.
We don't have any crimes committed by AI before 2027.
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