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I'm sad, be my going to lie. I'm sad that that we that we lost today. We lost again that we probably

shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably

the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be

football football football, which is great, which I love talking about. But the buck I see is

and ended a little too prematurely for me today. And just sad. And you being the excellent

great player that you were. I'm more interested in your thoughts initially because I've read the

Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. And for some reason,

you know who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the the flack of the game is

Kristoff Tilley for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought he

played pretty good today. And you know, I mean, other than Moebly, who clearly was our best player,

I thought Tilley might have been our second or worst third best player. But for some reason,

he's just catching straight from him. And I just wonder when you were watching the game,

were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilley is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad. And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilley, Kristoff Tilley played

his part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No. But he was being goofy.

And he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay

player. He has some skill for his size. But man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs

to be more physical consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complaint about Tilley,

finishing around a Ram Stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like, dude, like,

but I mean, he is who he is. He has his 11 points of game this year. And he scored 10 today.

He averaged four rebounds of game and he had six. He averaged two assists. He played better in the

second half. He played better in the second half. I'll give you that. I mean, I mean, you know,

I just, I just feel like, like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game,

it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the

game. Like, I felt the rest were letting them play an extremely physical game in the first half.

And I didn't think that a nerd dough house they'd benefit. I think they let, you know,

they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of the game, there were some,

I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we were up three and they called a three

point play. I'm barely any contact at all. They said it was a little incongruent. But yeah,

no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game,

you lose a two point game. You have the all-time leading score in the history of a house they

basketball who averages 20 points of game. And he has one basket in the second half of a game where

you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That is an issue. You can't

shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points. One of the all-time leading score in a house that

history in a game. And, you know, Bruce Thornton, I couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst

game ever at a house they may be? No, I mean, he picked the peculiar, I mean, there's never been

a bigger game that he's played worse. You know what I'm saying? Because I mean, there you go.

I mean, I think I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's the all-time leading score

in school history. The all-time leading score. And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket

in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know. I'm

I'm just confused to be honest with you. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilly

is the number one guy like, oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better

in the first half. Like, but that's just a carry-over complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't

love Tilly because of this stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling

out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton. And we'll just talk about the game.

So, obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams of,

like all through the schedule, blitz, Bruce Thornton, double shading. This thing about it, we mostly

talk about football. So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith's side. Think about it like that. If you don't know basketball

that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him.

When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like a diamond like following him around.

If you look at what TCU was doing, their game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the

rest of the guys beat you. That was the game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada,

it's tough. You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over

and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're when that,

when you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane,

you have to attack. And when you attack, you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean.

I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated. He was frustrated. When he did have opportunities

later in the game, to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart.

Like going into the body of punch instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he can

hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan frustrated

Bruce Thornton, we didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the same physicality.

TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have. They've been in the tournament

in the recent years. We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big. Now obviously we adjusted

and we settled down and we were right in the game. But that's always hard to overcome that when

you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada,

but we were able to still fight back. But it just wasn't enough, man. But yeah, to your point,

Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing because I love Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to

my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton is a great kid.

He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent. But I think today showed why

yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years. He's been consistent. Great

kid. He stayed with a house state. But he's not he's not he's not Michael Red. He's not Mike Conley.

He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level. Because again, even with that attention on him,

yes, be patient. Get it to your guys, but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and

still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead. I know you

want to jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. I just, you know, I know

enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball

in my life. And having coach, not at the highest level, coach a lot of basketball in my life,

that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that

Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and and look

and then he would go stand in the corner. And they had completely buffaloed. And at that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming

the whole first half. I'm like, get let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball

out of his hands. You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I'd

literally recognize at 17, 33 to go in the first, first half, it took it. Once we switched to

mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing.

How can I just, I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure

out? I just, I'm, I'm just, I'm really struggling with it. Look, if somebody's going to take

something away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going

into the teeth of that over and over and over again, because clearly the authority didn't have it,

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for an office near you. Um, you know, I mean, I just he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble.

And I saw how I say I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's

out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down at the clock and then running some hurried set

and getting some crappy shot up. And you know, you know, I'm saying I'm like, man, we have got to

attack the rim and I have people saying, Oh, we don't attack. Well, how state doesn't it? We don't

that's not what we plan. I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set

up against you when you've got the ball. I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's

not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at

least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be

able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today,

not not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of

problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we

switch the mobile, though, everything's switched and I just don't understand why Jake Dibler,

who I like Jake Dibler, I want Jake Dibler to be successful. How can you go that long and not

see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later. Like you said, I saw him starting to bring

Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose. Instead of him

bringing a ball up court, but it was later. And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying

this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player. Let him work through it.

Let him make, you know, good decisions through it and and press through it. And that's what I think

Dibler was thinking, but it just obviously it just it didn't work well. But yes, running the

offense through mobility was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things

going, but not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half. And it

just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in the

second half, they stepped up, started playing much better. You know, started matching that physicality.

TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can honestly, bro, we can talk about

unless you got more to say about that. We can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean,

that was that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into

that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat that you can't give up that

position. Now, Bynum is a freshman. He's a pretty big physical kid. And that TCU kid is no

slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played good

defense on punch on that play, but that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint.

And at that point, I'm just I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him, but that was just tough, man. Nevada,

what you got? Well, you know, I'm, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Bynum, you know,

play a little bit or defense on that. Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU.

I mean, he was able to wall him off and look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation.

I just again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock and you see that

there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference. But if they run it down

to the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball,

I'm telling, I'm telling my guys, you got to get the ball in balance and you got to get the ball

across half court and then we call the timeout. You know what I'm saying? Like, like anything you do,

you've got to get the ball into the front court and then you call the timeout. I think, you know,

but again, that's, that's the kind of, that's, this isn't a second guess. This was something I

was saying the numbers 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've got to

anticipate that and you got to tell them, guys, look, when this happens, you know, if they score,

get it into the front court. Let's call timeout. Let's get something set up. Let's run a play.

He was obviously what they were doing. They're coming in high to Tilly. He was going to go back to

Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner, you know, jumper,

but, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court

with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for

that play, but I think the setup to that could have been better, you know, which goes to the whole

day. I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity.

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out

playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally,

you know, game is literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just,

you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies were on display today,

as I had coached. And I think his inexperienced showed. And, you know, for me, who's been somebody

who's been, you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely, I think we got to give DiBler more

time. Now I'm not sure. I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential

thing because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary

that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his ability to say it's coached.

Maybe that's fair. Maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at.

No, I hear you. Here's the last play. So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds

and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripped into myself like, some of these takes on

all they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen

team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy.

I would have gave it to Moby in this situation. I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton

and he's a better distant shooter. Like, I would, if you're going to draw that up,

I would have drew it up for Moby. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior,

you're all tightly in score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them.

And so, I don't know. That's just me, but yes, I agree that, and I don't even say the hindsight,

but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys,

get it across, get it across, you know, that should be something you do in practice.

And that's it, in that situation, that would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen

and get a clean look for three, you know, or even a, or even throw it down low to get a foul or

something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate.

Now, as far as what you said about Debler, yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before.

I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach. I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might

have been brought into early. I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better

situation, success-wise, maybe if he was brought in three years after the whole, and like, he went

to a max school, cut his teeth, came back. He was, he was retained. I think the, the brass saw that

he was good with the kids. He's a good coach. He's bright, but today probably show, like you said,

his efficiencies that he's still learning. And so, you know, but also I do not want to discount the

fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a

fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure

they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster. Period. Now, I told

you all, I just want Buckeye Basketball to be elite. I want Buckeye Basketball to compete for

championships, like, under that motto, you know, like how we work. Consistently, sweet 16, or you

know, like, in the tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay,

but who are we going to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying it

better be somebody good. We better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program

behind them. Period. I don't care who it is. Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to

step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be

fair. Debler is, is, you know, he may, he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing

and arrived a little early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full,

you know, deep roster. He hasn't. He has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either

way, I want to fix the question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass

Nevada by the Abukai, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big

10 games we won in four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him,

they respond to him. We got to McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this.

Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's

going to get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him

for another year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that?

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is like, I'm world hire state. And you can

talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do?

You know, I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but

yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation

or the recruiting base or you know, I'm saying none of that, but you know, they managed to put the

other team and you know, beep was guy. And I know it's one game and everything else like that. But

it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting better? Are you getting worse?

You know what I'm saying? And I think for Ohio State, hey there, it's Ryan Seacrest for Safeway.

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You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year, but you know,

it's deeper to the guy to, you know, are you are you delaying the inevitable? Do you see Jake

Diabler? Yeah, I mean, I guess the question would be like, do you think Jake Diabler will be the

head coach here at a house eight and five years or 10 years? You know what I mean? Like, do you

think he's got that kind of longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer.

It's all hypothetical, but you know, it's it's one of those things where, you know, I just don't

I don't know and and you know, I like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding

you know, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in, it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's

and Joe's and they've got to do, you know, they've got to perform, but in basketball of all the games,

man, the coaches have such an impact because they they affect everything on in-bounds plays on

rotations, you know, switching defense. I mean, there's all sorts of things that the coaches

directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know, a coach is just so

so important to your success. I just don't know if Diabler can be I like, like I'm really

struggling with the fact that Diabler took that long to get them on to Mobley's hands. I mean,

I get you know, trying to play rhythm, if the thing about what you said, if everything's

saying you're just they're playing two guys over the top on them, they're shaking the entire defense

they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy just keep running

into that mass front over and over and over again, when you've got, you know, a player Mobley

can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that he's he's a guy he's a viable option. It's all

like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know, so far this year. I just don't know

how it could take Diabler that long to figure that out. That that's the thing is kind of confound

of me way more of the sort than the, you know, the play design on the last play or, you know,

should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other or even his rotations. I mean,

even getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did. I just, I don't know,

I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to Mobley who leaves score or do you

give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know, you know, any

option you had was bad. That one, 4.3 seconds. Basically, we've all seen the Christian late-ner thing

and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard. Right. It's really, really hard.

And it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage play, no matter, no matter, you

know, how you go about it. So, but I don't know. Let me book you, if I'm on Ohio State,

I am definitely working the phone to see who's available and working to see if there is an

upgrade for it because I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now.

If you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it. I don't think,

so if you're not going to keep them long term, then I think you get rid of them now.

Okay. I think you just cut your losses and move on.

Yeah. The question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will.

And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked

about with Bruce Thorden. Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant. Like he just, he just,

I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player,

the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate. Pull it up. Like it was needed.

Like, boom, like that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leader should be doing.

And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration.

I don't know what it was. But you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient.

Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play, I get all of that.

But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate.

He pulled up in his face and stroked it. Boom. Like that was needed throughout the entire gang

to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada. I mean, listen,

I hear you. You mentioned a high point. I mean, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17.

I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway.

And shoot. Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today.

This tournament, you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your

roster is. It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how, how big this tournament is.

And you see little teams take out big teams and 12s take out fives and whatever.

But I don't know, Nevada. I mean, the question for me is, what is Bjork in this administration

going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer. I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer,

you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach.

I want that. I don't want to, you know what? He might be okay. No. If you fire dealer,

go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be a football. And go get somebody that says,

this is a home run higher. And this is just it. Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because

to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration

to do that in basketball as I am in football. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't know.

Well, I just give you a fun fact. It'll fun stat. And then I'll give it the question.

Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit his first three-point of the game in 33 seconds into the game,

and then hit his last three-pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period in time,

between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first race.

Between 33 seconds left. So in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like that can't happen. No, no, no. I mean,

39 minutes, one basket and two free throws. That's all that that was it. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,

look, cano house they do it? Absolutely. And we're like, oh, how's they just sign Nadine

Musseroll? They're hockey coached to a new five-year contract, you know, keeping her away from

Minnesota. I mean, they'll house they can do whatever they want. And basketball is not

in a relevant sport. We're not talking about, you know, archery or, you know, fencing or something

like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about basketball. I mean, it's a revenue

sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team. There's no reason

they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've got a great recruiting

base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success and recent success.

So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after and trying to see what's

available because, you know, I want to see what options they might have for this.

Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure. Like I said,

to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously basketball is not football, but it's not,

I don't know, rifle or they actually won national championships at a house. They're good too. But

you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like I get that. I understand that. But to me, I haven't

seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the

basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible. You sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's

a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks. And it was an

emotional roller coaster today. We're down 15 at the have. I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people

boring a small miracle. This game is over, which I still stand by that because to me, I was being

able to come back like we did with a small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first

half. But then, you know, the roller coaster go back up and then came crashing down at the end.

And it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program.

Past four years, the first time in a tournament in the past four years is tough in itself.

So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question mark for me. What are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds, portal,

you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come

in and play and make a big impact and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that's pretty

much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah. Now, I think I'm going to go with my

final answer being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely testing the

the lines with the with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not I'm actually really

looking forward. But I just, I think something like this. I mean, I think I'll have state fans,

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you're right, the first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU,

you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher

than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five-point lead in the second half and then,

you know, you, you, you know, to have, I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience and,

I mean, I gotta say it, coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we had

a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA,

even if we had Chris Holman, I think we'd have won the game today. But, you know, again,

that's a hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But, I, I, I, I, I, I thought, I thought

Debra was really bad that I, and I, and I've ruined it for I like Debra. I, you know, I like that,

I love that love's brother. I want Debra to be it, but I just, I'm trying to think about, you know,

even our in-bounce play, you know, like, you know, one thing he'd been really making his bones on

is how many, you know, how often we'd scored off of in-bounce plays and stuff. And I, I didn't even

like our in-bounce plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the

what we were doing. It just, it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind

of all, you know, Chris, I was there. And so I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be,

Ohio State's going to be looking, but I'm going to, I'll, I'll, I'll know here the next 24,

48 hours of their, if they're making calls because this is, this is when they start making them

right now. Yes, I was going to say, please, holler at your sources, because I want to know,

I want to know, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof with a

Ohio State football doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident

in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we

close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's non-basketball related. I thought was very

interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick. And the chat, tell me if y'all

heard about this because it's tournament time. And I think this is kind of like, just kind of

flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident that proves change is the targeting

suspension in one year trial? So here it is. For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no

longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game.

The division one football, the subdivision oversight committee on Thursday approved a one-year

trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty. For the 26 season,

a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can participate in the following

game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught.

A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required to sit out the first

half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the

full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for

targeting three times in the 2020, 2025 season. So to me, this is low-key significant because we've

been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klatt has hated it. He's been pounding a table.

Others have mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch

on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know,

I let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws in targeting. Targeting was set up

to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like

that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes,

I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of a targeting. We know it

when we see it. So if you have a hit and you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a

house they've found, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits, we're at the

last second quarterback, ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side. You know what I'm

saying? Something like that. That that to me is not targeting until so until they I like the

intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But I think until

they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the when you slow everything down

to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact almost every single play. You know what I'm

saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90 percent

of the same. You know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm. It could be your hand. It could

be your shoulder. It could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact with the head

or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going

to doing the review like that, I really think it's just got to be I've always felt like there

should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a five

yard. I don't know. I don't know what exactly with the answers. But I think it's just I don't like

the application of the rule in general the way that they do it because I think about that that

game that we played against Clemson when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on the

Sean way on the the sack of Trevor like to me there is no way in the world that is targeting

but that got called for targeting. And so until you address that to me that's way worse than

this stuff about first penalty second penalty, the third period, one game, half game, no game,

whatever. I just hate the rule period and you know until they change that then you know I don't

ever go with it. I mean, what do you think about targeting? What do you ask? How do you feel about

the application and how do you feel about how the rules been been called in recent years?

I mean, you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up that Sean way targeting penalty to

me is the chair. It's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no

it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head sunshine dropped his head right at the

moment when Sean way was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they

still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting like to me there has to be common

sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head like come on man. Like listen,

I one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's a it's a it's a the rule is terrible because it's so

subjective. You could have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy in another game

through the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say.

You're right on it. But that's Sean way play against Clemson. That was so trash and of

all that still haunts me is like two two plays in that game. But like the worst plays in my Buckeye

fandom of officiating. So yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead.

No, I know the second one was the Akuda one. We're you know on the on the the fumble.

We're carrying the yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls. But I think it goes to

a more basic thing. And this is something we've talked about before, but it's it's about replay.

And your replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field.

Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching

the same tape. I feel the same way should be with targeting. If it's not so clear and obvious,

you can't call targeting. You know, with review, review should not be I think or oh yeah,

that looks like or yeah, that appears to be it should only be black and white. I think targeting

should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white. And and I think too

many times the review official the guy they want to get involved. They want to make the big call.

They want to do the thing. And I just think until they change that until they get the application

should write on replay. I think it it dribbles into into targeting as well. I think they should be

the same standard indisputable video. It should have to be it's indisputable video evidence of

targeting. Like there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be well, yeah, that kind of look

like that or wow, he did come drop it. There's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty. That's just where

I'm at. And that's how I feel about review about replay and and you know, I've been saying that

for years about reply. Yep, you have you been consistent with replay. And so I agree. I mean, I

don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't I think it predict protects

guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game. Your best player because

of a bad call. So I like that. Now what's going to happen after that trial? We'll see. But I thought

that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament. I thought that was a significant piece

of information to update. So definitely want to want it to run that by one. But listen,

ah, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future

holds with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that and we'll absolutely keep you up on that.

But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with

content and coverage. All things, Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever's relevant. We're

going to hit you with any last words and about it for behalf of here. Well, yeah, now that I mean,

we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball. You know, obviously they'll,

you know, kind of work time to get ready for for next year. I'm interested to see who they

who they return, who they get in the portal. You know, what's going on with that? But, um,

you know, hey, Buckeye football's going and we're going to have it. We're going to have a

skirmish next weekend and that that'll be those are always fun because then we really get to

see the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Uh, thanks for the one night and I

got to go. This program needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see.

I agree we deserve an elite coach. Um, you know, are we can Devler be an elite coach three,

four years from now? Maybe is it worth waiting to see? I don't know. Either way,

we, you know, is we're going to see in Nevada. I'm waiting to hear from your contacts,

your agent folks to see what's really going on. But, you know, time will tell, I will tell, um,

what do you think about those names caliperio patino? I know he doesn't mean literally them,

but it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach. What do you think

about that? Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind somebody was from stature. I wouldn't even mind

somebody was some stature in some baggage. I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think,

I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they

want about that. But that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I, I know that industry will

enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get somebody with some, that's, I don't have a

problem with it. Either that or you know, you, you go with the last on our man, the last honest man

in coaching, you know, you get from the cheese it to get B Moses. You get B Moses and you bring

him in there and you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness. We're going to go with,

you're kind of coach Carter. You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's up there on the

wall. They're guys are just putting them up there and can lead us to victory. They're like, you

did the cheeses. And the cheeses came together like this year. They were like a, like a

disparity group. They got that and you molded them into champions.

They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day, you know, they're definitely

cheeses. At the end of the day, do I have my cheesy graph? Where's my cheesy graph? I didn't

upload it here. Did I? There ain't get, I wanted to share it. I might have to upload it. Oh, no,

there it is. There it is right here. Did it pop up? Oh, that's got to be, that's got to be a

Halloween costume. That's got to be a Halloween costume. That is bad to be a Halloween costume.

Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you what, I would recruit well.

I know how talk to the young boys, young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure you better

open up a little bit out there. Just they may say, hey, let's play a little one-on-one there.

If I beat you, then you come to last night. Then you commit. Deal, son.

Then you start raining by the night. Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't get decided.

Right, right. What about these? Oh, right.

Oh, sounds like it's a scene from... Why is the movie escaping?

Uh, Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. He got gang. I don't know if you see that before.

Oh, yeah, I know. But Denzel is his dad. He's playing one-on-one.

Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go watch it. I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that.

You're like the Nick Nolte, like a good honest guy. I think it's lured into the lured

rule of recruiting them. You're delivering tractors up to something out there in the farm.

Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors.

And I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, uh, who was the white boy with the jumper that had

the... I forget his name. For Indiana, you get for Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie, that was,

that movie was crazy. Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and walk

like that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent. But listen, listen,

it's all good, man. We love doing this. It's fun. Today sucked. But it is what it is.

We still got football. We still got football. Y'all, we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway,

that's my last words. And uh, listen, until next time we love your book, our school family,

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