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We're going to be talking about the Ohio State game,

Ohio State Falls, the TCU today, tough game.

We're going to talk about it.

Obviously, a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future.

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Brother, brother, brother. What's up, man?

I'm sad, Dave, not going to lie.

I'm sad that we lost today.

We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost,

but we lost it nonetheless.

And it's just sad.

I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show

that we're going to do for 2026.

From here on out, we're just going to be football, football, football,

which is great, which I love talking about.

But the Buck guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today.

And just sad.

And you being the great player that you were,

I'm more interested in your thoughts initially.

Because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base

on the board thought.

And for some reason, you know who's going to allow the iron

who's catching a lot of the flack of the game?

Is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is,

I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought

he played pretty good today.

And, you know, I mean, other than Mobile,

who clearly was our best player,

I thought Tilly might have been our second or at worst third best player.

But for some reason, he's just catching

straight from him and I just wondered when you were watching the game,

were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us?

Or did your thoughts go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad.

And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilly,

Kristoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half.

Was he the worst on the, on the floor?

No, but he was being goofy and he was being a little soft

around the rim, which is something he does.

I think he's an okay player.

He has some skill for his size.

But man, it's just like he needs to play bigger.

He needs to be more physical consistently.

And I think that's some of the people's

complain about Tilly finishing around a rim stronger.

To me, he's too hesitant.

It's just like do like, but I mean, he is who he is.

He average 11 points a game this year and he ain't,

and he scored 10 today.

He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six.

He averaged two assists.

He played better in the second half.

He played better in the second half.

I mean, I mean, you know, I just, I just feel like,

like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game,

it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved

over their season averages as the problem for the game.

Like I felt the rest were letting them play

at an extremely physical game in the first half.

And I didn't think that a nerd doe house they'd

benefit.

I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot

and then at the end of the game, there were some,

I felt marginal calls that they called, you know,

one, we were up three and they called a three-point play.

Barely any contact and all that.

I thought it was a little incongruent.

But yeah, no, I mean,

yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me,

I thought the start of the game.

You lose a two-point game.

You have the all-time leading score

in the history of a house that basketball,

who averages 20 points a game.

And he has one basket in the second half of a game

where you're down 15 and a half time.

Now, that is a problem right there.

That is an issue.

You can't shoot 33% from the field

and score 10 points.

One of the all-time leading score in a house that history

in a game and, you know, I'm Bruce Thornton.

Couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game

ever at a house that may be?

I mean, he picked the peculiar, I mean,

there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse.

You know what I'm saying?

Because I mean, there you go.

I mean, I think that, yeah.

I mean, he's the all-time leading score in school history.

The all-time leading score.

And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket

in the second half.

I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly.

I don't know.

I'm just confused, to be honest with you.

No, let me be clear.

I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy.

Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that.

I think he could have played better in the first half.

Like, but that's just a carry-over complaint from me.

I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly,

because of the stuff I already mentioned.

But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly.

I agree.

Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton.

And we'll just talk about the game.

So, obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU.

This is nothing new.

I mean, teams like all through the schedule blitzed Bruce Thornton.

Double shading.

Let's think about it.

We mostly talk about football.

So who are you football people?

Just look at it as a rolling coverage.

Right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith side.

Think about it like that.

If you don't know basketball, that will.

It's like, when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key,

they were keying on him.

When he would penetrate, they would shade over.

It was like a diamond following him around.

If you look at what TCU was doing,

their game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton

and make the rest of the guys beat you.

That was the game plan.

So, with that said,

to your point, Nevada,

it's tough.

You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands

and turn the ball over and try to do too much.

But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're when that.

When you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness

or there's a lane, you have to attack.

And when you attack,

you have to know how to attack.

And this is what I mean.

I think Bruce got frustrated.

He was very frustrated.

He was very frustrated.

When he did have opportunities later in the game,

to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make.

He's very smart.

Like going into the body of punch,

instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot

that he can hit so well,

he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch.

And so, the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton.

We didn't come out with the same energy.

We didn't come out with the same physicality.

DCU played like they've been in the tournament recent like they have.

They've been in the tournament in the recent years.

We have it.

We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big.

Now, obviously, we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game.

But that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that.

And so it was a lot of the same stuff.

I saw all year Nevada,

but we were able to still fight back.

But it just wasn't enough, man.

But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton,

and let me say this last thing because I love Bruce Thornton.

And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game.

Bruce Thornton is a great kid.

He's a really good basketball player.

He has skill and talent.

But I think today showed why.

Yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years.

He's been consistent.

Great kid.

He stayed with Ohio State.

But he's not he's not he's not Michael Red.

He's not Mike Conley.

He's not Jim Jackson.

He's just not to that level.

Because again, even with that attention on him,

yes, be patient.

Get it to your guys,

but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that.

If you're an elite like elite Hooper Hooper,

Nevada, go ahead.

I know you want to jump in.

Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say.

I just, you know,

I know enough about basketball from having played

not at the highest levels,

but played a lot of basketball in my life.

And having coach,

not at the highest level,

the coach a lot of basketball in my life,

that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions

that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket

and stop and look at him.

And then he would go stand in the corner.

I mean, they had completely buffaloed.

And at that point,

as the head coach,

you have to take the ball out of his hands.

You have to.

And I'm screaming the whole first half.

I'm like, get, let mobility,

let mobility run the offense.

Do not get the ball out of his hands.

You know, and the fact that it took an entire half

on something that I literally recognized at 1733 to go in the first first half,

it took, and once we switched to mobility,

we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead.

That's a 20 point swing.

I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out.

I'm just, I'm really struggling with it.

Look, if somebody's going to take something away from you,

then they're leaving something else open.

You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again,

because clearly, the authority didn't have it,

whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered,

whatever was going on.

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He couldn't beat anybody off the dribble.

I'm like, why are we slowing the game down?

Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing,

to eight down at the clock and then running some hurried set

and getting some crappy shot up?

And you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, man, we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying,

oh, we don't attack.

Well, how state doesn't it?

We don't, that's not what we play.

And I'm like, you have to play that way.

You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you.

When you've got the ball,

I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able,

because he's not the biggest guy.

He's not Evan Turner.

He's not, you know, he's not six foot six.

So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble.

So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today.

Not once.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble.

And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside.

Nobody else is getting open inside.

And frankly, once we switched them all,

though, everything switched.

And I just don't understand why Jake Debeler, who I like Jake Debeler,

I want Jake Debeler to be successful.

How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone

needed to be changed?

How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah.

And I've seen it.

He did.

He adjusted, but it was later, like you said.

I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball

and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose.

Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later.

And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right,

but you're thinking he's seen this before.

He's your best player.

Let him work through it.

Let him make good decisions through it and press through it.

And that's what I think Debeler was thinking.

But it just obviously, it didn't work well.

But yes, running the offense through Moby was better,

you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going.

But not just that.

I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half.

And it just was conky.

We didn't look in rhythm.

TCU looked in rhythm.

Now again, to their credit in the second half,

they stepped up, started playing much better.

You know, started matching that physicality.

TCU got a little cold and whatnot.

But just came up short.

We can honestly, bro, we can talk about,

unless you got more to say about that,

we can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play.

And I mean,

that was, that was rough.

That was frustrating.

First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada.

I agree with you, Dev.

He mentioned in the group chat that you can't give up that position.

Now, Bynum is a freshman.

He's a pretty big physical kid.

And that TCU kid is no slouch.

But I agree.

You can't let him get that deep in the paint.

I thought we played good defense on punch on that play.

But that TCU kid was white.

He was established deep in the paint.

And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him.

But that was just tough, man.

Nevada, what you got?

Well, you know, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Bynum,

you know, play a little bit or defense on that.

Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU.

And he was able to wall him off.

And look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation.

I just, again, from a coaching standpoint,

when you're looking at the clock and you see that there's going to be about a four,

four and a half second difference.

But if they run it down to the very end,

which they did credit to TCU.

But given the rules where you can't advance the ball,

I'm telling, I'm telling my guys,

you've got to get the ball in balance

and you've got to get the ball across half court.

And then we call the timeout.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, like anything you do,

you've got to get the ball into the front court.

And then you call the timeout.

I think, you know, but again, that's, that's the kind of,

and that's, this isn't a second guess.

This was something I was saying the number's 30 seconds

when TCU was setting up their shot.

I'm like, you've got to anticipate that.

And you got to tell them the guys, look,

when this happens, you know,

if they score, get it into the front court.

Let's call timeout.

Let's get something set up.

Let's run a play.

He was obviously what they were doing.

They were coming in high to Tilly.

He was going to go back to Thornton

and Thornton was going to try to run down

and hit kind of an Evan Turner, you know, jumper.

But, you know,

there's not a lot of great plays

when you can't advance the ball to mid court

with 4.3 seconds ago.

So as much as people want to be mad,

I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play.

But I think the setup to that

could have been better,

which goes to the whole day.

I felt like the entire day,

I didn't feel like we came out

with the right kind of intensity.

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense.

I didn't feel like we came out

playing the type of game

that we really needed to play

in order to win, you know,

and incidentally, you know, game.

It's literally the first game of the tournament

and we're out already.

And it just, you know,

to me, I thought that every one

of Jake Debeler's deficiencies were on display today.

And as I had coached.

And I think his inexperienced show.

And, you know, for me,

who's been somebody who's been,

you know, pretty much on the, you know,

definitely, I think we got to give Debel more time.

Now I'm not sure.

I'm really, I think to me,

it really depends on

who might be available

as a potential thing.

Because I just, I thought

that some of the mistakes he made

were just so rudimentary

that it really has,

it has me questioning, you know,

his ability to say it's coached.

Maybe that's fair.

Maybe that's unfair,

but that's where I'm at.

Now I hear you.

Here's the last play.

So I think you nailed it

to where it's 4.3 seconds

and the ball's not advanced.

So I was kind of tripped

into myself like,

some of these takes on,

oh, they drew that up.

I mean,

there's not much you can do.

I mean, we've seen it.

We've seen team score from this.

I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly.

You know, you got a guy.

I would have gave it to Moby

in this situation.

I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton

and he's a better distant shooter.

Like, I would,

if you're going to draw that up,

I would have drew it up for a Moby.

Not only that,

but the other team is looking for

your senior,

you're all tightly in score to get the ball.

And you see there's two guys on them.

And so, I don't know.

That's just me.

But yes, I agree that,

and I don't even say the hindsight,

but knowing what's coming,

knowing you only have one time out left,

just signal to your guys.

That should be something you do in practice

in that situation.

That would have gave them a better chance

to come off the screen

and get a clean look for three.

You know, or even throw it down low

to get a foul or something.

But yeah, man,

I knew when this happened,

it was a rap barring a miracle.

But unfortunate.

Now, as far as what you said about Debler,

yeah, I mean,

here's the thing I said this before.

I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

I think he can be a very good coach.

I think he might have been brought into early.

I think he's a guy

that probably would have had

been in a better situation

success-wise.

Maybe if he was brought in

three years after the Holtman,

and like he went to a Max School,

cut his teeth, came back.

He was retained.

I think the brass saw

that he was good with the kids.

He's a good coach.

He's bright.

But today probably show,

like you said, his efficiencies

that he's still learning.

And so, you know,

but also,

I do not want to discount the fact

that I'm not going to act like

Jake Debler went into this tournament

with a deep roster

and a fully loaded NIO clip

and all the other stuff.

If they're going to keep him,

they need to make sure

they provide him with everything he needs

to get players on this roster.

Period.

Now, I told you all,

I just want Buckeye basketball to be a lead.

I want Buckeye basketball to

compete for championships

like under the Thad Mata,

you know, like how we work.

Consistently,

sweet 16,

or you know, like in the tournament,

elite,

that's what I want.

If that's getting rid of Debler,

okay, but who are we going to get?

And that's not a question saying,

we shouldn't.

I'm just saying,

it better be somebody good.

We better put the full resources

that we have for this basketball program

behind them.

Period.

I don't care who it is.

Debler or somebody else,

that's something we need to step up with

is making sure we put more intentional

emphasis into this program.

Because I want to be fair.

Debler is, is, you know,

he may, he's made mistakes.

He may be early into his blessing

and arrived a little early,

but let's not act like he's had the full support

and had a full, you know, deep roster.

He hasn't.

He has no bench.

So to me, we got to look at both sides,

but either way, I want it fixed.

The question is,

is Debler,

is this going to be looked at by the brass,

Nevada, by the, a Buckeye, you know,

administration as,

hey, we made progress.

We won the most big 10 games.

We wanted four seasons.

We made the tournament for the first time.

The players like him, they respond to him.

We got to make dollars on American coming next year.

Let's keep building this.

Let's add more.

I mean, is that how they're going to look at it?

Probably.

I don't think he's going to get fired.

Regardless of what we say, what we think,

I think they're going to keep him for another year at least.

That's just my opinion.

But Nevada, what you got on all that?

Well, I mean, I guess the,

I mean, the question I asked is like,

I'm world-highest at and you can talk about the roster

and I get that.

But like, do you think high point

has a better roster than we do?

You know, I mean, you know,

I honestly don't know high points,

but I'm going to say no,

but yeah, I mean,

high points certainly didn't have the resources

that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base

or, you know, I'm saying none of that.

But, you know, they managed to put the other team

and, you know, it was kind of,

and I know it's one game and everything else like that.

But it's just,

you know, you just wonder,

you know, are you getting better?

Are you getting worse?

You know what I'm saying?

And I think for Ohio State.

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You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year.

But, you know, it's deeper to the guide.

You know, are you are you delaying the inevitable?

You know, do you see Jake Eabler?

Yeah, I mean, I guess the question would be,

like, do you think Jake Eabler will be the head coach here

to have satin five years or 10 years?

You know what I mean?

Like, do you think he's got that kind of longevity?

And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer.

It's all hypothetical.

But, you know, it's one of those things where,

you know, I just don't, I don't know.

And, you know, I, like I said,

I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding,

you know, at the end of the day,

I'm on a big believer in, you know,

it's not the Xs and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's

and they've got to, you know, they've got to perform.

But in basketball of all the games,

man, the coaches have such an impact

because they affect everything on in-bounds plays,

on rotations, you know, switching defense.

And there's all sorts of things

that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession,

a possession basis.

And so, you know, a coach is just so,

so important to your success.

I just don't know if Debra can be,

I, like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact

that Debra took that long to get them on to mobile his hands.

I mean, I get, you know, trying to play,

but if the thing about what you said,

if everything's changing, they're playing two guys

over the top on under, shaking the entire defense,

they're playing a triangle over the top.

I mean, then how do you have that guy just keep running

into that bass front over and over and over again?

When you've got, you know, a player mobily who can get it done,

you know, I'm saying like that he's a guy.

He's a viable option.

It's not like he hasn't done it with the ball on his hands,

you know, so far this year.

I just don't know how it could take Debra that long

to figure that out.

That, that's the thing that's kind of confounding me.

Way more of the so than the, you know,

the play design on the last play

or, you know, should we have stayed in his own defense

or any of the other, or even his fortations,

I mean, even getting cut in there

and doing some of the things that he did.

I just, I don't know.

I mean, you know, I'm the last play again.

Do you give it to mobily who,

at least, or do you give it to the guy

who's three of mine from the floor?

I, you know, I don't know, you know,

any option you had was bad.

That one, 4.3 seconds.

Maybe we've all seen the Christian Latener thing

and we, you know, like, I know it can happen,

but it's hard.

Right.

It's, it's really, really hard.

And it, you know, it's a, it's a low,

it's a low percentage play,

no matter, no matter, you know,

how you go about it.

So, um, but I don't know.

I, I, I, let me put you,

if I'm on Ohio State,

I am definitely working the fallances

to see who's available.

And working to see if there is an upgrade for it

because, um, I think you're really at an inflection point

with the program right now.

And if you're going to make a move,

I think this is the time to make it.

I don't, I don't think so.

If you're not going to keep them long term,

then I think you get rid of them now.

Okay.

I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on.

Yeah.

Question is, will they do that?

I just don't know.

I'm not confident they will.

And I'm showing this clip also

because look at the aggression

from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden.

Look at the, look at the, the, the, the lack of hesitant.

Like he just, he just, I wish Bruce

in this game, because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game.

I get that, but as a star player,

the captain of your team,

boom, he did not hesitate, pull it up.

Like it was needed.

Like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him.

That's what your leader should be doing.

And to me, I feel like early in the game,

I don't know if it was frustration.

I don't know what it was.

But you got to find a way.

Yes, you want to be patient.

Somebody's open.

If they're doubling you, make the right play,

I get all of that.

But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive.

And to me, this, he did not hesitate.

He pulled up in his face

and stroked it.

Boom, like that was needed

throughout the entire gang.

To really set the tone and lead your team.

But anyway,

yeah, Nevada, I mean, listen,

I hear you.

You mentioned a high point.

I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17.

I wasn't that high on Wisconsin.

I had them losing the next round anyway.

And shoot, Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today.

This tournament, you better come ready.

You better be ready to play.

I don't care how deep your roster is.

It's like every year we get,

we get reminded of how,

how big this tournament is.

And you see little teams take out big teams

and twelfths take out fives and whatever.

But I don't know, Nevada.

I mean, the question for me is,

what is Bjork in this administration going to do?

I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer.

I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer,

you better be on the phones and find someone

who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach.

I want that.

I don't want to, you know what?

He might be okay.

No.

If you fire dealer, go get somebody.

Be aggressive like you would be a football.

And go get somebody that says this is a home run higher.

And this is it, Nevada.

Do you think they can do that?

Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in,

I'm not as confident in this administration

to do that in basketball as I am in football.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, I just don't know.

Well, I just give you a fun fact.

It'll fun stat.

And then I'll give that to your question.

Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the,

his first three-point of the game in 33 seconds into the game?

And then hit his last three-point or with 33 seconds left in the game.

And between that period in time,

between that period of time, he had one basket.

Good Lord.

But between the first three seconds in the last,

so in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's just like, that can't happen.

No, no, no, look, I mean, 39 minutes in one basket

and two free throws.

That's all, that was it.

And so, but, but yeah, I mean,

like, can Oh, how's they do it?

Absolutely.

I mean, like, Oh, how's they decide?

Nadine, Muzzarol, they're hockey coach

to a new five-year contract.

You know, keeping her away from Minnesota.

I mean, they, Oh, how's they can do whatever they want?

And basketball, basketball's not in a relevant sport.

If we're not talking about, you know, archery

or, you know, fencing or something like that,

or, you know, women's lacrosse.

We're talking about basketball.

I mean, it's a revenue sport.

It's a sport where you actually make money

if you've got a decent team.

There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know,

they've got great facilities.

They've got a great recruiting base.

They've got a great reputation.

They've got a history of success and recent success.

So, to me, I think they've got to be working the phones

going after it and trying to see what's available

because, you know, I want to see what options

they might have for this.

Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence,

for sure.

Like I said, to me, well, first of all,

I agree, obviously basketball is not football,

but it's not, I don't know, rifle,

or they actually won national championships

at a house state or good too.

But you get my point.

Talk about revenue.

Like, I get that.

I understand that.

But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence

in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis

on the basketball program.

So, I'm skeptical hippo with them actually

making a splash like that.

I don't think it's impossible, you're sure they can.

But will they?

That's my question.

And here's Bruce Thornton walking off the court,

dejected, last game, and all that, man, sucks.

And it was an emotional roller coaster today

with down 15 at the half.

I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people,

barring a small miracle, this game is over,

which I still stand by that.

Because to me, being able to come back like we did

with a small miracle, because we were just bad

in that first half.

But then, the roller coaster, go back up

and then came crashing down at the end

and it was very frustrating.

Very sad, but this is what's been going on with this program

past four years.

The first time in the past four years is tough in itself.

So, I don't know, man, Nevada,

that's going to be the question, Mark, for me,

what are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake?

If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up

with NIL funds, portal, make sure we bring guys in here,

not mid guys, but high level guys

that can come in and plug and play

and make a big impact and all that.

So, that's the question.

I mean, that's pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada.

What else you got?

Yeah, now, I think I'm going to go with my final answer,

being I think Ohio State's going to be looking,

I'm going to be definitely testing the lines

with the agents that know about this stuff,

whether or not Ohio State's really looking for it.

But I think something like this, I mean,

I think Ohio State fans, you saw it from the intro,

I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team.

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But, you know, something like this,

where, you know, you're right, the first half,

it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU,

you know, in every way.

And again, they were up 15 and I felt like

it could have been higher than that.

But, you know, we managed to take a five point lead

in the second half and then, you know,

you, you, you, you know, to, to have,

I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience

and, and, I mean, I gotta say it, coaching.

I really think coaching costs us today.

I think if we had a more experienced coach,

we would have won the game today.

I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA,

even if we, I think if we had Chris Holman,

I think we'd have won the game today.

But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical,

you know, we'll never know.

But, I, I, I, I, I thought, I thought Deepa was really bad

that I, and I, and I've ruined it for I liked Deepa.

I, you know, I like that, I loved it.

Love his brother.

I want Deepa to be there.

But I just, I'm trying to think about, you know,

even our in-bounce play, you know, like one thing

he'd been really making his bones on is how many,

you know, how often we'd scored off

of in-bounce plays and stuff.

And I, I didn't even like our in-bounce plays.

I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets.

I didn't like the way we were doing it.

Just, it, nothing seemed to make sense.

And, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know,

criticized it.

And so I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be,

Ohio State's going to be looking.

But I'm going to, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours

if they're, if they're making calls because this is,

this is when they start making them right now.

Yes, I was going to say, please,

holler at your sources, because I want to know.

I want to know, you know, because again, I just,

my confidence is through the roof with Ohio State football

doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going.

I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball.

I'm just not.

So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada.

But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing

that's non-basketball related.

I thought was very interesting.

Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick.

And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this

because it's tournament time.

And I think this is kind of like just kind of flying

under the radar.

But did y'all see the incident that proves

changes to targeting suspension in one year trial?

So here it is.

For at least one season, a targeting penalty

will no longer automatically take a college football player

off the field for the following game.

The Division 1 football, sub-division oversight committee

on Thursday approved a one year trial

rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting

penalty.

For the 26th season, a player disqualified for targeting

for the first time in the season can participate

in a following game.

The trial rule will apply regardless

of which half the targeting penalty is caught.

A player who draws a second targeting

penalty of this season will be required to sit out

the first half of the next game.

A player who draws his third targeting of the season

must sit out the full following game.

And then it notes that there were no players that were

disqualified for targeting three times in the 2025 season.

So to me, this is low key significant

because we've been talking about the targeting rule.

I know Joe Klatt has hated it.

He's been pounding the table.

Others have mentioned it.

I thought this was interesting.

OK, so I wanted to quickly touch on this

before we bang out of here.

Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period.

So let me just say, let me explain to you

what the fundamental flaw is in targeting.

Targeting was set up to deal with the most

egregious types of hits.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's like that old saying by Justice Potter

they asked him the definition of pornography.

And he goes, I know it when I see it.

You know what I'm saying?

That's kind of a targeting.

We know it when we see it.

So if you have a hit and you know what I'm talking about,

you've been in a house they've found, you know,

for like, you know, when we see guys

get disqualified for games for hits

where at the last second, a quarterback ducks his head

and a shoulder pad hits him the side of the,

you know what I'm saying?

Something like that.

That to me is not targeting until.

So until they, I like the intention

that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive

on this stuff.

But I think until they deal with the entire rule.

And I think the problem is with the,

when you slow everything down to slow motion, okay?

In slow motion, there's head contact

almost every single play.

You know what I'm saying?

Some part of your body is going to make contact

with the other person's head on 90% of the time.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand,

it could be your shoulder, it could be your wrist.

I mean, something's going to make contact

with the head or neck area on just about every play.

So when you're slowing it down like that

and they're going to do in the review like that,

I really think it's just got to be,

I've always felt like there should be like two penalties,

like one for the most egregious ones

and another should be a five-yard play.

I don't know, I don't know what exactly

with the answers, but I think it's just,

I don't like the application of the rule in general,

the way that they do it.

Cause I think about that game that we played against Clemson,

when we got the remember,

we got the targeting penalty on the side.

Clemson on the sack of Trevor,

like to me, there is no way in the world that is targeting,

but that got called for targeting.

And so until you address that, to me,

that's way worse than this stuff

about first penalty, second penalty,

any third period, one game, half game, no game,

whatever, I just hate the rule period.

And you know, until they change that,

then, you know, I don't know where to go with it.

I mean, what do you think about targeting?

How do you feel about the application

and how do you feel about how the rules

have been called in recent years?

I mean, you kind of just spoke my mind

and you brought up that shine-way targeting penalty

to me is the chair, it's the crown jewel of terribleness

when it comes to targeting.

And it's no, it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan.

He dropped his head, sunshine dropped his head,

right at the moment when shine-way was coming.

If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting.

And they still shouldn't have called target

because it wasn't targeting.

Like, to me there has to be common sense to it.

You review it, you see all the player dropped his head.

Like, come on, man.

Like, listen, I, one thing I do agree with Joe Clark

is it's a, it's a, the rule is terrible

because it's so subjective.

You could have a guy do one thing and get caught

and then another guy and another game

do the same thing I get caught.

So listen, you spoke my mind.

I don't really have much else to say.

You're right on it, but that shine-way play

against Clemson, that was so trash and a vibe.

That still haunts me.

It's like two, two plays in that game,

like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating.

So I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting,

go ahead.

No, I know the second one was the Akuda one.

We're, you know, on the, on the, the, the fumble recurring.

Yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls.

But I think it goes to a more basic thing

and this is something we've talked about before,

but it's about replay.

And you know, replay was set up to reverse

indisputable video evidence of error on the field.

Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people

could draw different conclusions

from watching the same tape.

I feel the same way should be with targeting.

If it's not so clear and obvious,

you can't call targeting.

You know, with review, review should not be,

I think, or, oh yeah, that looks like,

or yeah, that appears to be,

it should only be black and white.

I think targeting should only be black and white.

I think review should only be black and white.

And, and I think too many times the review official,

the guy, they want to get involved,

they want to make the big call, they want to do the thing.

And I just think until they change that,

until they get the application right,

replay, I think it, it dribbles into targeting as well.

I think they should be the same standard.

Indisputable video, it should have to be,

it's indisputable video evidence of targeting.

Like, there's no question in your mind.

It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that kind of looked like that.

Or, wow, he did come drop a cell,

and there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty.

That's just where I'm at, and that's how I feel about review,

about replaying, and you know I've been saying that

for years about replaying.

Yep, you have, you've been in the system of replay.

And so, I agree.

I mean, I don't dislike this one year trial.

I think it's cool that guys aren't,

I think it protects guys from bad refereeing

so that they don't get ejected for a half a game,

your best player because of a bad call.

So I like that.

Now, what's going to happen after that trial?

We'll see, but I thought that was interesting.

In the midst of the NCAA tournament,

I thought that was a significant piece of information

to update.

So I definitely wanted to run that by one,

but listen, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end.

It is what it is.

We'll see how the future holds with Devler

and what Ohio State does and all that.

And we'll absolutely keep you up on that.

But spring practice is back next week.

We'll get on that and we're always going to hit you

with content and coverage, all things.

Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever's relevant.

We're going to hit you with any last words

and about it for behalf of here.

Well, yeah, now that, I mean,

we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

You know, obviously they'll, you know,

kind of work on getting ready for next year.

I'm interested to see who they return,

who they get in the portal, what's going on with that.

But, you know, hey, Buckeye football's going

and we're going to have it.

We're going to have a scrimmage next weekend

and that'll be, those are always fun

because then we really get to see the ball trip line.

For sure.

And Tom G sent a super chat.

Thanks for the one and nine.

Gotta go.

This program needs a caliperio patino.

So yeah, we're going to see.

We are going to see.

I agree we deserve an elite coach.

Or, you know, are we can devler be an elite coach

three, four years from now?

Maybe is it worse waiting to see?

I don't know.

Either way, we, you know, is, we go and see.

And Nevada, I'm waiting to hear from your contacts,

your agent folks to see what's really going on.

But, you know, time will tell, I will tell.

What do you think about those names?

Caliperio or patino?

I know he doesn't mean literally them,

but it looks like he's saying this program needs

a caliperio patino type coach.

What do you think about that?

I, you know, I wouldn't mind some of these from Stature.

I wouldn't even mind some of these from Stature

and some baggage.

I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me.

I think, I think all of college basketball recruiting

is the little crooked.

And people can say what they want about that.

But that's just the way that I feel.

I feel like I've, I know that industry will

enough to know how dirty that is.

So if they had to get somebody with some,

that's the, I don't have a problem with it.

Either that or you know, you, you go with the last on our

span, the last honest man in coaching,

you know, you get from the cheese it to get B Moses.

You, you get B Moses and you bring him in there.

And you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness.

We're going to go with you, you're kind of coach carter.

You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's

up there on the wall.

There are guys I'm just putting them up there

and can lead us to victory.

They'll like you to the cheesets.

And the cheesets came together like this year.

They were like a, like a disperited group.

They come up there and you molded them into champions.

They all woke up in the cheesies when at the end of the day.

You know, so I'm definitely cheesies.

At least in the day, do I have my cheesy graph?

Where's my cheesy graph?

I didn't upload it here.

Did I dare and get I wanted to share it on my house to upload it?

Oh, no, there it is.

There it is right there.

Hold on.

Did it pop up?

Oh, there you go.

That's got to be, that's got to be a hollowing comp.

That's got to be a hollowing costume.

That is bad to be a hollowing costume.

Oh, man, that is hilarious.

I'm available though.

I'll tell you what, I would recruit well.

I know how talk to the young boys.

Young boys.

Oh, I'm sure.

I'm sure you better open up with them a little bit out there.

Just they may say, hey, they'll play little one-on-one there.

And if I beat you, then you come to our state.

Then you commit.

Deal, son.

Let's see if that's fair.

But he's starting ringing the buttons down on the screen.

Don't worry about that right now.

Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that.

Don't get decided.

Right, right.

What about Peter?

Oh, right.

Oh, sounds like it's a scene from...

Why is the movie escaping?

Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word.

He got gang.

I don't know if you've seen that before.

Oh, yeah.

Denzel is his dad.

He's playing one-on-one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So anyway, go watch it.

I'm thinking, I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that.

You're like the Nick Nolte, like a good honest guy.

I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them.

You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm.

Happy was the name.

Happy was the blister's name.

Dropping bags off and tractors.

And I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, who was the white boy

with the jumper that had the...

I forget his name.

For Indiana, you get for Indiana, right?

Yeah, that movie, that movie was crazy.

Al Bundy was the investigative reporter.

I might have to go back and mark that.

That's good stuff.

So we always go off with the tangent.

But listen, listen, it's all good, man.

We love doing this.

It's fun today sucked, but it is what it is.

We still got football.

We still got football, y'all, we got it.

We're going to be good.

So anyway, that's my last words.

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