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We're going to be talking about the Ohio State game, Ohio State Falls, the TCU today, tough

game.

We're going to talk about it.

Obviously, a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future.

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What's up, man?

I'm sad, Mike and I, I'm sad that we lost today.

We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless and it's

just sad.

I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do

for 2026.

From here on out, we're just going to be football, football, which is great, which I love talking

about.

But the Buck guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today and just sad.

You know, you being the ex great player that you were, I'm more interested in your thoughts

initially because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board

thought.

And for some reason, you know, who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the

flack of the game is Christoff Tilly for some reason, which is, I find absolutely bizarre

because I actually thought he played pretty good today.

And you know, I mean, other than Mowl Blue, who clearly was our best player, I thought Tilly

might have been our second or at worst third best player.

But for some reason, he's just catching straight from him and I just wondered, when you

were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Christoff Tilly is killing us or, or did

your thoughts go, go elsewhere?

Well, I mean, the hope, the first half was bad.

And so Christoff, Christoff Tilly, Christoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half.

Was he the worst on the, on the floor?

No, but he was being goofy and he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something

he does.

I think he's an okay player.

He has some skill for his size, but man, it's just like he needs to play bigger.

He needs to be more physical consistently.

And I think that some of the people's complain about Tilly finishing around a rim stronger

to me.

He's too hesitant.

It's just like do like, but I mean, he is who he is.

He average 11 points a game this year and he ain't, and he scored 10 today.

He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six.

He averaged two assists.

He played better in the second half.

I mean, I mean, you know, they, I just, I just feel like, like, man, when you're looking

for super villains in this game, it's, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved

over their season averages as the problem for the game.

Like I, I felt the rest were letting them play an extremely physical game in the first

half.

And I didn't think that a nerd doe house they'd spend if and I think they let, you know,

they let T.C. you get away with a lot and then at the end of the game, there were some,

I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we're up three and they called

a three point play on barely any contact and all they thought it was a little incongruent.

But yeah, no, I mean, I agree.

Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game, you lose

a two point game.

You have the all time leading score in the history of a house that basketball who averages

20 points a game and he has one basket in the second half of a game where you're down

15 and a half time.

Now, that is a problem right there.

That is an issue.

You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points, one of the all time leading score

in a house that history in a game and, you know, Bruce Thornton, I couldn't, I mean,

that, I don't know, was that his worst game ever at a house they may, maybe, I mean,

he picked, he picked, he picked the peculiar, I mean, there's never been a bigger game

that he's played worse.

You know what I'm saying?

Because I mean, there you go.

I mean, I think, I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all time leading score in school history,

the all time leading score in a shot 33% from the field and had one basket in the second

half.

I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Christoph Tilly.

I don't know.

I'm, I'm just confused to be honest with you.

No, let me be clear.

I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy.

Oh, it was Tilly.

I don't agree with that.

I think he could have played better than the first half.

Like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me.

I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly because of the stuff I already mentioned.

But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly.

I agree.

Now let's get to Bruce Thornton and we'll just talk about the game.

So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU.

This is nothing new.

I mean, teams like all through the schedule, blitz, Bruce Thornton, double shading.

Just think about it.

We mostly talk about football.

So who are you football people?

Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right?

Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith side.

Think about it like that.

If you don't know basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to

top of the key, they were king on him.

And he would penetrate.

They would shade over.

It was like a diamond like following him around.

If you look at what TCU was doing, the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make

the rest of the guys beat you.

That was the game plan.

So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough.

You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and

try to do too much.

But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're when that, when you pick your spots,

when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack.

And you and when you attack, you have to know how to attack.

And this is what I mean.

I think Bruce got frustrated.

He was very frustrated.

He was frustrated when he did have opportunities later in the game.

To me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make.

He's very smart.

Like going into the body of punch instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that

he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch.

And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton.

We didn't come out with the same energy.

We didn't come out with the same physicality.

TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have.

They've been in the tournament in the recent years.

We have it.

We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big.

Now, obviously, we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game,

but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that.

And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada,

but we were able to still fight back, but it just wasn't enough, man.

But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing,

because I love Bruce Thornton.

And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game.

Bruce Thornton is a great kid.

He's a really good basketball player.

He has skill and talent.

But I think today showed why.

Yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years.

He's been consistent.

Great kid.

He stayed with a house state.

But he's not he's not he's not Michael red.

He's not Mike Conley.

He's not Jim Jackson.

He's just not to that level.

Because again, even with that attention on him,

yes, be patient, get it to your guys,

but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that.

If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead.

I know you want to jump in.

Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say.

I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played

not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life.

And having coach, not at the highest level,

the coach a lot of basketball in my life,

that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions

that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket

and stop and look and then he would go stand in the corner.

And they had completely buffaloed and at that point,

as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands.

You have to.

And I'm screaming the whole first half.

I'm like, get, let mobility, let mobility run the offense.

Do not get the ball out of his hands.

You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something

that I literally recognized at 17, 33 to go in the first half,

it took it.

And once we switched to mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit

and went to a five point lead.

That's a 20 point swing.

How can I just, I don't understand how something that's so obvious

took him so long to figure out?

I just, I'm, I'm just, I'm really struggling with that.

Look, if somebody's going to take something away from you,

then they're leaving something else open.

You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again

because clearly the authority didn't have it,

whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered, whatever was going on.

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You know, I mean, I just, he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble.

And I saw how I say, I'm like, why are we slowing the game down?

Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down the clock

and then running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up?

And you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, man, we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying,

oh, we don't attack or how state doesn't, we don't.

That's not what we play.

And I'm like, you have to play that way.

You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you.

When you've got the ball, I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able,

because he's not the biggest guy.

He's not Evan Turner.

He's not, you know, he's not six foot six.

So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble.

So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today,

not not once.

I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble.

And that just created all sorts of problems

for everybody else on the inside.

Nobody else was getting open inside.

And frankly, once we switched them over, though, everything switched.

And I just don't understand why Jake Dieber, who I like Jake Dieber,

I want Jake Dieber to be successful.

How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone

needed to be changed?

How can he go that long without adjusting?

Yeah.

And I've seen it.

He did.

He adjusted, but it was later.

Like you said, I saw him starting to bring

Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens

and sets to get him loose.

Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later.

And so I think to ask you a question,

I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before.

He's your best player.

Let him work through it.

Let him make, you know, good decisions through it.

And and press through it.

And that's what I think Dieber was thinking.

But it just obviously, it just, it didn't work well.

But yes, running the offense through mobility was better.

You know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going.

But not just that.

I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half.

And it just was conky.

We didn't look in rhythm.

TCU looked in rhythm.

Now again, to their credit in the second half,

they stepped up, started playing much better.

You know, started matching that physicality.

TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short.

We can honestly, bro, we can talk about,

unless you got more to say about that.

We can talk about what everybody's talking about,

which is that last 4.3 seconds left.

And what happened on that play?

And I mean,

that was that was rough.

That was frustrating.

First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada.

I agree with you, Dev.

He mentioned in the group chat,

the group chat that you can't give up that position.

Now, Biden was a freshman.

He's a, he's a pretty big physical kid.

And that TCU kid is no, no slouch.

But I agree.

You can't let him get that deep in the paint.

I thought we played good defense on punch on that play.

But that TCU kid was white.

He was established deep in the paint.

And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad.

Biden didn't foul him.

But that was just tough, man.

Nevada, what you got?

Well, you know, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen

Biden, you know, play a little bit or defense on that?

Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU.

And he was able to wall him off and look,

they got a, they got a great shot in that situation.

I just again, from a coaching standpoint,

when you're looking at the clock and you see that there's going to be

about a four or four and a half second difference.

But if they run it down to the very end,

which they did credit to TCU.

But given the rules where you can't advance the ball,

I'm telling, I'm telling my guys,

you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the ball

across half court and then we call the time out.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, like anything you do,

you've got to get the ball into the front court

and then you call the time out.

I think, but again, that's, that's the kind of,

and that's, this isn't a second guess.

This was something I was saying with numbers 30 seconds

when TCU was setting up their shot.

I'm like, you've got to anticipate that.

And you got to be telling the guys,

look, when this happens, you know,

if they score, get it into the front court.

Let's call time out.

Let's get something set up.

Let's run a play.

Hardly.

It was obviously what they were doing.

They're coming in high to Tilly.

He was going to go back to Thornton

and Thornton was going to try to run down

and hit kind of an Evan Turner,

you know, jumper, but, you know,

there's not a lot of great plays

when you can't advance the ball to mid court

with 4.3 seconds ago.

So as much as people want to be mad,

I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play,

but I think the setup to that could have been better,

you know, which goes to the whole day.

I felt like the entire day,

I didn't feel like we came out

with the right kind of intensity.

I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense.

I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game

that we really needed to play

in order to win, you know,

and incidentally, you know,

the game was literally the first game

of the tournament and we're out already.

And it just, you know, to me,

I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies

were on display today as a head coach.

And I think his inexperienced showed.

And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been,

you know, pretty much on the, you know,

definitely, I think we got to give DiBler more time.

Now I'm, I'm not sure.

I'm gonna, I think to me, it really depends

on who might be available as a potential thing

because I, I just, I thought that some of the mistakes

he made were just so rudimentary

that it really has, it has me questioning,

you know, his ability to say a head coach.

Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair,

but that's where I'm at.

Nah, I hear you.

Here's the last play.

So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds

and the ball's not advanced.

So I was kind of tripped into myself like,

some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up.

I mean, there's not much you can do.

I mean, we've seen it.

We've seen team score from this.

I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly.

You know, you got a guy.

I, I would have gave it to Moby in this situation.

I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton

and he's a better distant shooter.

Like, I would have, if you're gonna draw that up,

I would have drew it up for Moby.

Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior,

you're all tightly in score to get the ball

and you see there's two guys on them.

And so I don't know.

That's just me, but yes, I agree that,

and I don't even say the hindsight,

but knowing what's coming,

knowing you only have one time out left,

just signal to your guys, get it across, get it across.

That should be something you do in practice.

And that's it, in that situation.

That would have gave them a better chance

to come off the screen and get a clean look for three.

You know, or even a, or even throw it down low

to get a foul or something.

But yeah, man, I knew when this happened,

it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate.

Now, as far as what you said about Debler,

yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before.

I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

I think he can be a very good coach.

I think he might have been brought into early.

I think he's a guy that probably would have had been

in a better situation success-wise, maybe,

if he was brought in three years after the whole,

and like he went to a Max School, cut his teeth, came back.

He was retained.

I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids.

He's a good coach.

He's bright, but today probably show,

like you said, his deficiencies, that he's still learning.

And so, you know, but also I do not want to discount the fact

that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler

went into this tournament with a deep roster

and a fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff.

If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure

they provide him with everything he needs

to get players on this roster, period.

Now, I told you all, I just want Buckeye Basketball

to be a league.

I want Buckeye Basketball to compete for championships

like under the Thad Mata, you know, like how we were.

Consistently, sweet 16 or, you know, like in the tournament,

elite, that's what I want.

If that's getting rid of Debler, okay,

but who are we going to get?

And that's not a question saying we shouldn't.

I'm just saying it better be somebody good.

We better put the full resources that we have

for this basketball program behind them, period.

I don't care who it is, Debler or somebody else,

that's something we need to step up with

is making sure we put more intentional emphasis

into this program because I want to be fair.

Debler is, you know, he may say he's made mistakes.

He may be early into his blessing

and arrived a little early, but let's not act like

he's had the full support and had a full, you know,

deep roster, he hasn't.

He has no bench.

So to me, we got to look at both sides,

but either way, I want to fix.

The question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked

at by the brass Nevada, by the Buckeye, you know,

administration as, hey, we made progress.

We won the most big 10 games.

We won the four seasons.

We made the tournament for the first time.

The players like him, they respond to him.

We got to McDonald's on American coming next year.

Let's keep building this.

Let's add more.

I mean, is that how they're going to look at it?

Probably.

I don't think he's going to get fired.

Regardless of what we say, what we think,

I think they're going to keep him for another year at least.

That's just my opinion.

But Nevada, what you got on all that?

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is,

like, I'm world-hierry state and you can talk

about the roster and I get that, but like,

do you think high point has a better roster than we do?

I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points,

but I'm going to say no, but.

Yeah, I mean, because high points certainly

didn't have the resources that we do

or the reputation or the recruiting base or, you know,

I'm saying none of that, but, you know,

they managed to put the other team and, you know,

Buckeye and I know it's one game and everything else like that,

but it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know,

are you getting better or are you getting worse?

You know what I'm saying?

And I think for Ohio State.

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I guess we're marginally better than we were last year.

But is Debra the guy to, are you delaying the inevitable?

Do you see Jake Giebler?

Yeah, I guess the question would be,

do you think Jake Giebler will be the head coach

here to house eight and five years or 10 years?

You know what I mean?

Do you think he's got that kind of longevity?

And I know it's kind of an impossible question

to answer.

It's all hypothetical.

But it's one of those things where I just don't,

I don't know.

And like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things

regarding at the end of the day,

I'm a big believer in,

it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's

and they've got to perform.

But in basketball of all the games,

and the coaches have such an impact

because they affect everything on in-bounds plays

on rotations, switching defense.

And there's all sorts of things

that the coaches directly impact

on almost a possession, a possession basis.

And so, you know, a coach is just so,

so important to your success.

I just don't know if Debra can be,

I like to say, I'm really struggling with the fact

that Debra took that long to get them on

to mobile his hands.

I mean, I get trying to play with him.

If the thing about what you said,

if everything you're saying you're just,

they're playing two guys over the top

on under shaking the entire defense,

they're playing a triangle over the top.

Then, how do you have that guy just keep running

into that bass front over and over and over again?

When you've got a player mobile who can get it done,

you know, I'm saying like that he's a guy,

he's a viable option.

It's all like he hasn't done it with the ball

on his hands so far this year.

I just don't know how it could take Debra that long

to figure that out.

That's the thing that's kind of confounding me.

Way more of the so than the play design on the last play

or should we have stayed in his own defense

or any of the other, or even his fortations,

I mean, even getting cut in there

and doing some of the things that he did.

I don't know.

I mean, you know, I'm the last play again.

Do you give it to Mobileey who,

Lee's score, or do you give it to the guy

who's three of nine from the floor?

I, you know, I don't know, you know.

Any option you had was bad.

That one, 4.3 seconds.

Basically, we've all seen the Christian Latener thing

and we, you know, look, I know it can happen,

but it's hard.

It's, it's really, really hard.

And it, you know, it's a, it's a low percentage play

no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it.

So, but I don't know.

I, I, let me put you, if I'm on high state,

I am definitely working the phone to see who's available

and working to see if there is an upgrade for it

because I think you're really at an inflection point

of the program right now.

And if you're going to make a move,

I think this is the time to make it.

I don't, I don't think, though,

if you're not going to keep them long term,

then I think you get rid of them now.

Okay, I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on.

Yeah, question is, will they do that?

I just don't know.

I'm not confident they will.

And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression

from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden.

Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant.

Like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game

because again, they were all over him.

They were, they were trying to take him out of the game.

I get that.

But as a star player, the captain of your team,

boom, he did not hesitate.

Pulled up, like it was needed, like boom.

Like he, that was a big bucket for him.

That's what your leader should be doing.

And to me, I feel like early in the game,

I don't know if it was frustration.

I don't know what it was, but you got to find a way.

Yes, you want to be patient.

Somebody's open.

If they're doubling you, make the right play,

I get all of that.

But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive.

And to me, this, he did not hesitate.

He pulled up in his face and stroked it, boom.

Like that was needed throughout the entire game

to really set the tone and lead your team.

But anyway, yeah, Nevada.

I mean, listen, I hear you, you mentioned a high point.

I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17.

I wasn't that high on Wisconsin.

I had them losing the next round anyway.

And shoot, Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today.

This tournament, you better come ready.

You better be ready to play.

I don't care how deep your roster is.

It's like every year we get reminded of how big this tournament is.

And you see little teams take out big teams

and 12s take out fives and whatever.

But I don't know, Nevada.

I mean, the question for me is,

what is Bjork in this administration going to do?

I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer.

I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer,

you better be on the phones and find someone who is like,

hey, yo, this is a stud coach.

I want that.

I don't want to, you know what, he might be okay.

No, if you fire dealer, go get somebody,

be aggressive like you would be a football

and go get somebody that says this is a home run higher.

And this is just it, Nevada.

Do you think they can do that?

Because to be honest with you, Nevada,

before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration

to do that in basketball as I am in football.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, I just don't know.

Well, I just give you a fun fact, it'll fun stat.

And then I'll give that to your question.

Do you know the Bruce Thornton hit the,

his first three point of the game

in 33 seconds into the game

and then hit his last three pointer

with 33 seconds left in the game.

And between that period of time,

between that period of time, he had one basket.

Good Lord.

But between the first three seconds left.

So in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

And it's just like, that can't happen.

No, no, no, look, I mean, 39 minutes,

one basket and two free throws, that's all, that was it.

And so, but yeah, I mean,

look, cano house they do it?

Absolutely.

I mean, look, Ohio State just signed Nadine Musseroll,

their hockey coach to a new five year contract,

keeping her away from Minnesota.

I mean, Ohio State can do whatever they want.

And basketball's not in a relevant sport.

We're not talking about archery or fencing

or something like that or women's lacrosse.

We're talking about basketball.

I mean, it's a revenue sport.

It's a sport where you actually make money

if you've got a decent team.

There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know,

they've got great facilities.

They've got a great recruiting base.

They've got a great reputation.

They've got a history of success in recent success.

So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones

going after it and trying to see what's available

because, you know, I want to see what options

they might have for this.

Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure.

Like I said, to me, well, first of all,

I agree, obviously, basketball is not football,

but it's not, I don't know, rifle.

Or they actually won national championships

at Ohio State or good too,

but you get my point.

Talk about revenue.

Like I get that, I understand that.

But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years

to show that they're putting as much emphasis

on the basketball program.

So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash

like that.

I don't think it's impossible, you're sure they can.

But will they?

That's my question.

And here's Bruce Thornton walking off the court,

rejected last game and all that, man, sucks.

And it was an emotional roller coaster today.

We're down 15 at the half.

I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people,

boring a small miracle, this game is over,

which I still stand by that.

Cause to me, I was being able to come back

like we did with this small miracle

because we were just bad in that first half.

But then the roller coaster go back up

and then can crashing down at the end

and it was very frustrating, very sad.

But this is what's been going on with this program

past four years.

The first time in the past four years is tough in itself.

So I don't know, man, Nevada,

that's going to be the question, Mark, for me,

what are we going to do?

Are we going to keep Jake?

If we keep Jake, what are we going to do

to step up with NIO funds, portal,

you know, make sure we bring guys in here,

not mid guys, but high level guys

that can come in and play and make a big impact

and all that.

So that's the question.

I mean, that's pretty much it at the end of the day

in Nevada.

What else you got?

Yeah, now I think I'm going to go with my final answer

being I think Ohio State is going to be looking.

I'm going to be definitely testing the lines

with the with the agents that know about this stuff,

whether or not Ohio State really looking for it.

But I just I think something like this.

I mean, I think I think Ohio State fans,

you saw it from the, I mean, Ohio State fans

really want to support the basketball team.

They really want to get behind the basketball team.

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But something like this where the first half,

it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU

in every way.

And again, they were up 15 and I felt

like it could have been higher than that.

But we managed to take a five point lead in the second half.

And then to have, I feel like it was our lack of experience.

And I've got to say it, coaching.

I really think coaching costs us today.

I think if we had a more experienced coach,

we would have won the game today.

I think if we had FAD MAT, FAD MAT, even if we had just

hold it, I think we'd have won the game today.

But again, hypothetical, we'll never know.

But I thought Deeper was really bad today.

And I've ruined it for I like Deeper.

That I love that loves his brother.

I want Deeper to be here.

But I'm trying to think about even our in-bounds play.

One thing he'd been really making his bones on is how often

we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff.

And I didn't even like our in-bounds plays.

I didn't like our offensive sets.

I didn't like the way we were doing it.

It just, nothing seemed to make sense.

And it just kind of all criticized it.

So I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be a house.

It's going to be looking.

But I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours

if they're making calls.

Because this is when they start making them right now.

Yes.

I was going to say, please, holler at your sources.

Because I want to know.

I want to know.

Because again, my confidence is through the roof,

with Ohio State football, doing whatever it takes

to keep the beast going.

I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball.

I'm just not.

So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada.

But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing

that's non-basketball related.

I thought was very interesting.

Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick.

And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this.

Because it's tournament time.

And I think this is kind of like just kind of flying

under the radar.

But did y'all see the incident that proves

change is the targeting, suspension, and one-year trial?

So here it is.

For at least one season, a targeting penalty

will no longer automatically take a college football player

off the field for the following game.

The Division I football, both Sub-Division Oversight Committee

on Thursday approved a one-year trial rule

that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty.

For the 26 season, a player does qualify for targeting

for the first time in the season,

can participate in the following game.

The trial rule will apply regardless

of which half the targeting penalty is caught.

A player who draws a second targeting penalty

of this season will be required to sit out

the first half of the next game.

A player who draws his third targeting

of the season must sit out the full following game.

And then it notes that there were no players

that were disqualified for targeting three times

in the 2025 season.

So to me, this is low-key significant

because we've been talking about the targeting rule.

I know Joe Klatt has hated it.

He's been pounding the table.

Others haven't mentioned it.

I thought this was interesting.

Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch on this

before we bang out of here.

Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother?

Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period.

So let me just say, let me explain to you

what the fundamental flaws in targeting was set up

to deal with the most egregious types of hits.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's like that old saying by Justice Potter,

they asked him the definition of pornography

and he goes, I know it when I see it.

You know what I'm saying?

That's kind of a targeting.

We know it when we see it.

So if you have a hit and you know what I'm talking about,

you've been in a house they've found,

when we see guys get disqualified for games

for hits where at the last second,

a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him

the side of the, you know what I'm saying?

Something like that.

That to me is not targeting until, so until they,

I like the intention that they're trying to make

the penalties less punitive on this stuff,

but I think until they deal with the entire rule.

And I think the problem is with the,

when you slow everything down to slow motion, okay?

In slow motion, there's head contact

on almost every single play.

You know what I'm saying?

Some part of your body is going to make contact

with the other person's head on 90% of the time.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand,

it could be your shoulder, it could be your wrist.

I mean, something's going to make contact

with the head or neck area on just about every play.

So when you're slowing it down like that

and they're going to do in the review like that,

I really think it's just gotta be,

I've always felt like there should be like two penalties,

like one for the most egregious ones

and another should be a five-yard,

I don't know, I don't know what exactly

with the answers, but I think it's just,

I don't like the application of the rule in general,

the way that they do it.

Cause I think about that game that we played against Clemson,

when we got the remember,

we got the targeting penalty on the side,

on the side way, on the sack of forever.

Like to me, there is no way in the world,

that is targeting,

but that got called for targeting.

And so until you address that,

to me, that's way worse than this stuff

about first penalty, second penalty,

in the third period, one game, half game, no game,

whatever, I just hate the rule period.

And until they change that,

then, I don't know where to go with that.

I mean, what do you think about targeting?

How do you feel about the application

and how do you feel about how the rules

have been called in recent years?

I mean, you kind of just spoke my mind

and you brought up that shine-way targeting penalty to me

is the, it's the crown jewel of terribleness

when it comes to targeting.

And it's no, it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan.

He dropped his head, sunshine dropped his head

right at the moment when shine-way was coming.

If he doesn't drop his head,

they don't call targeting.

And they still shouldn't have called target

because it wasn't targeting.

Like, to me there has to be common sense to it.

You review it, you see all the player dropped his head.

Like, come on, man.

Like, listen, one thing I do agree with Joe Clark

is it's a, it's a, the rule is terrible

because it's so subjective.

You can have a guy do one thing and get caught

and then another guy and another game

do the same thing I get caught.

So, listen, you spoke my mind.

I don't really have much else to say.

You're right on it.

But that shine-way play against Clemson,

that was so trash and that still haunts me.

It's like two plays in that game

are like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom

of officiating.

So, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting,

go ahead.

No, I know the second one was the Akuta one

were, you know, on the fumble recurring,

which is the worst column in the history of calls.

But I think it goes to a more basic thing

and this is something we've talked about before,

but it's about replay.

And, you know, replay was set up

to reverse indisputable video evidence

of air on the field.

Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people

could draw different conclusions

from watching the same tape.

I feel the same way should be with Targeting.

If it's not so clear and obvious,

you can't call Targeting, you know,

with review, review should not be,

I think, or, oh yeah, that looks like,

or yeah, that appears to be,

it should only be black and white.

I think Targeting should only be black and white.

I think review should only be black and white.

And I think too many times the review official,

the guy, they want to get involved,

they want to make the big call, they want to do the thing.

And I just think until they change that

until they get the application right on replay.

I think it dribbles into Targeting as well.

I think it should be the same standard.

Indisputable video, it should have to be,

it's indisputable video evidence of Targeting.

Like, there's no question in your mind.

It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that kind of looked like that,

or wow, he did come drop a cell.

And there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty.

That's just where I'm at.

And that's how I feel about review,

about replaying and you know I've been saying that

for years about replay.

Yep, you have, you've been consistent with replay.

And so I agree, I mean, I don't dislike this one year trial.

I think it's cool that guys aren't,

I think it protects guys from bad refereeing

so that they don't get ejected for a half a game,

your best player because of a bad call.

So I like that.

Now what's going to happen after that trial will see.

But I thought that was interesting.

In the midst of the NCAA tournament,

I thought that was a significant piece of information

to update.

So definitely wanted to run that by one.

But listen, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end.

It is what it is.

We'll see how the future holds with Devler

and what Ohio State does and all that.

And we'll absolutely keep you up on that.

But spring practice is back next week.

We'll get on that and we're always going to hit you

with content and coverage, all things.

Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever's relevant.

We're going to hit you with any last words

and about it for behalf of here.

Well, yeah, now that, I mean,

we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

You know, obviously they'll kind of work on

to get ready for next year.

Be interested to see who they return,

who they get in the portal, what's going on with that.

But you know, hey, Buckeye football's going

and we're going to have a scrimmage next week.

And then that'll be, those are always fine

because then we really get to see the ball trip line.

For sure.

And Tom G sent a super chat.

Thanks for the 199.

Gotta go.

This program needs a caliperio patino.

So yeah, we're going to see.

We are going to see.

I agree we deserve an elite coach.

You know, can Devler be an elite coach

three, four years from now?

Maybe is it worth waiting to see?

I don't know.

Either way, we, you know, is we go and see.

And Nevada, I'm waiting to hear from your contacts,

your agent folks to see what's really going on.

But you know, time will tell, I will tell.

What do you think about those names?

Caliperio patino, I know he doesn't mean literally them,

but it looks like he's saying this program

needs a caliperio patino type coach.

What'd you think about that?

Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind

somebody with some stature.

I wouldn't even mind somebody with some stature

and some baggage.

I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me.

I think, I think all of college basketball recruiting

is a little crooked.

And people can say what they want about that.

But that's just the way that I feel.

I feel like I, I know that industry will enough

to know how dirty that is.

So if they had to get somebody with some,

that's the, I don't have a problem with it.

Either that or you know, you go with the last honest man,

the last honest man in coaching, you get from the cheese

that you get B Moses.

You get B Moses and you bring him in there.

And you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness.

We're going to go with you, you're kind of coach Carter.

You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's

up there on the wall there, guys.

I'm just putting them up there and then leaves the victory

of the old, like you did the cheeses.

I mean, cheeses came together like this year.

They were like a, like a disperited group.

They come out there and you molded them into champions.

They all woke up in the cheeses when at the end of the day.

You know, so I'm just, they're definitely cheeses.

I leave it today.

Do I have my cheesy graphic?

Where's my cheesy graphic?

I didn't upload it here.

Did I?

I didn't get, I wanted to share it.

I'm going to have to upload it.

Oh, no, there it is.

There it is right here.

Hold on.

Did it pop up?

Oh, there you go, this is good.

That's got to be a Halloween costume.

That's got to be a Halloween costume.

That is bad to be a Halloween costume.

Oh, man, that is hilarious.

I'm available though.

I'll tell you what, I would recruit well.

I know how talk to these young boys.

Young boys.

Oh, I'm sure.

I'm sure you got to open up with them a little bit out there.

Just they may say, hey, let's play a little one-on-one there.

And if I beat you, then you can go outside.

Then you commit.

Deal, son.

I commit.

Yes, that's fair.

Then he's starting raining by the night.

Don't worry about that right now.

Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about that, don't worry about that.

Don't decide.

Right, right.

What about Peter?

Oh, sounds like it's seen from, why is the movie escape me?

Denzel Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word.

He got gang.

I don't know if you see that before.

Oh, yeah.

But Denzel is his dad and he's playing one-on-one.

Yeah, yeah.

So anyway, go watch that if you haven't watched it.

I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that.

You're like the Nick Nolte, look good on this guy.

I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them.

You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm.

Happy was the name.

Happy was the blister's name.

Dropping bags off and tractors.

And I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq.

Who was the white boy with the jumper that had the trap?

I forget his name.

From Indiana.

You get from Indiana, right?

Yeah, that movie was crazy.

Al Bundy was the investigative reporter.

I might have to go back and watch that.

That's good stuff.

So we always go off with the tangent.

But listen, listen, it's all good, man.

We love doing this.

It's fun today, sucked.

But it is what it is.

We still got football.

We still got football.

You all, we got it.

We're going to be good.

So anyway, that's my last words.

And listen, until next time, we love your Buckeye School

Family Buckeye Nation.

Go Buckeye as always, peace.

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